fordie wrote:
Gangs have been a part of Glasgow life for years if you look hard enough all cities in the world that are or used to be ports suffer the same plight however they will not be ridded by do gooder talking what is required is a police force that is seen to deal with all sorts of crime and is not seen to be a postcode force where their reaction time is faster in Newton Mearns and the north of the city than it is in the areas where these gangs congragate like the east end south side and the infamous schemes.

yerauldda wrote:
they're not even real gangs, just wee fannies usually if you slap the biggest one, they'll run away

workinhard wrote:

fordie wrote: Gangs have been a part of Glasgow life for years if you look hard enough all cities in the world that are or used to be ports suffer the same plight however they will not be ridded by do gooder talking what is required is a police force that is seen to deal with all sorts of crime and is not seen to be a postcode force where their reaction time is faster in Newton Mearns and the north of the city than it is in the areas where these gangs congragate like the east end south side and the infamous schemes.

why dont you move to Newton Mearns and find out the reaction time for the police - the one squad car based at Giffnock rarely makes an appearance. this despite the fact that teen gangs from Barhead, Castlemilk to name a couple, regularly frequent the area looking for trouble....you need to do some research before you start making statements which you believe to be fact

The Missing City wrote:

workinhard wrote:

fordie wrote: Gangs have been a part of Glasgow life for years if you look hard enough all cities in the world that are or used to be ports suffer the same plight however they will not be ridded by do gooder talking what is required is a police force that is seen to deal with all sorts of crime and is not seen to be a postcode force where their reaction time is faster in Newton Mearns and the north of the city than it is in the areas where these gangs congragate like the east end south side and the infamous schemes.

why dont you move to Newton Mearns and find out the reaction time for the police - the one squad car based at Giffnock rarely makes an appearance. this despite the fact that teen gangs from Barhead, Castlemilk to name a couple, regularly frequent the area looking for trouble....you need to do some research before you start making statements which you believe to be fact

Hey Fordie you missed out Royston, Springburn, Barnmulloch, Possil, Milton and Maryhill which are all on the North Side - oh Sorry, Milton and Barmulloch are schemes, oh and almost I forgot that Springburn has been turned into a scheme as well - ****, is there no nice places in the North Side, that being within the city boundary? Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas unlike the other schemes but the place is crazy! Quite a large proportion of the city's youing people in general appear to be lost! But thats what happens after generations of living in squalor - thanks to Glasgow Corporation and having no work - thanks to The State controlled system we once had that went down the pan as Thatcher had put the icing on that particular cake so its not exactly flowers in the garden today for everybody is it, is it?

yerauldda wrote:
here, coatbridge is next to easterhouse

Biffo the bear wrote:
Thank the lord that i left the city for a rural life,might be costing me more to commute to the job but then again i gain in the knowledge that im not going to get mugged by the local farmers more likely the local MSPs..Come ahead

KINGMAN wrote:
I THINK A LOT OF U HAVE MISSED THE POINT." IF U LAY WI DOGS U GET FLEAS" IF U AINT HAPPY , GET OUT, WALK , CHEERIO, MANYANA, AUF WEIDERSEN. if not then put up AND shut up

People Power wrote:
You notice its the more affluent and well off folk that seem to go on about these terrible neds, yobs and gangs. We all know banging them up won't and doesn't work. Community Service, and military style disciplinary training would be far more beneficial. Looking at ways to give them routes out of crime, and an alternative to the peer pressure of their mates is the key. I even heard at a Neighbourhood Watch and Community Safety Meeting that Youth Neigbourhood Watches, and Crime Prevention Panels are being set up in some areas of the city. Surely these are the kind of things we should be aiming for. But - the Police have a huge role to play in breaking down the barriers that exist and the them and us" mentality. They play their cards far too close to their chest, and are still too cagey about telling us what we want to know about unsolved crimes. Communication of police with law abiding citizens has a huge part to play. making the apathetic more pro-active, and giving the youths and youngsters more of a role, and part to play in their community. Unless we stop continually treating neds like criminals, and outsiders they will just keep on acting the same way. Lets break the same, recurring pattern of behaviour, and introduce measures and initiatives that work. Expand the provision of Twi-light Basketball currently running in i.e Scotstoun Leisure Centre, by Community And Safety Services.

The Missing City wrote:

KINGMAN wrote: I THINK A LOT OF U HAVE MISSED THE POINT." IF U LAY WI DOGS U GET FLEAS" IF U AINT HAPPY , GET OUT, WALK , CHEERIO, MANYANA, AUF WEIDERSEN. if not then put up AND shut up

Oh come on Kingman, no point in throwin aw yer sweeties oot the pram, it should be a **** lot batter than what it has been, if anything nothing has been done, might as well have a laugh, no point in gettin stressed - that will achieve nowt!

fordie wrote:
Gangs have been a part of Glasgow life for years if you look hard enough all cities in the world that are or used to be ports suffer the same plight however they will not be ridded by do gooder talking what is required is a police force that is seen to deal with all sorts of crime and is not seen to be a postcode force where their reaction time is faster in Newton Mearns and the north of the city than it is in the areas where these gangs congragate like the east end south side and the infamous schemes.

Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas

is chookie land according to weegies, just like Rutherglen and Paisley

People Power wrote:
All that happens is that every now and again the Police, and the boundaries are given a shake up, a fresh outlook, officers are re-deployed elsewhere, and the script is juggled around.
But, it's still the same problems, the same issues, the same deprivation, lack of ameneties, denial of GCC, and failures to crack the problem at its roots.

Prevention - and deterring those joining gangs.
Picking out the weak members and getting them to shop their peers/ mates.

Providing the alternatives, and as many ways of re-integration into communities, not shunning those who have been in gangs, or are even members now.

I actually sympathise with both the victims of gang culture, and those in the gangs themselves. As in their own separate ways they are both being failed by the system.

Victims don't always come forwards to report the crime, whether action is taken.
And gangs, and their members are outcasts of their own doings, but on the same hand - are not going to change their ways, or think about the consequences if the system of banging people up is viewed as the only option open.

we're living in the dark ages if we think that building more prisons will help matters.
when we're NOT funding more drug and alcohol rehabilitiation centres.

When were NOT seeing far better integration of the police with the public and communication of its officers at all levels with law abiding citizens.

Gang culture is here to stay - as long as our luny politicians and police carry on making their own minds up about the solutions.

Start listening more to "us" the people, and being a bit more open - minded about the alternatives.

Renegade wrote:

Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas

Such as Fernhill or Spittal? Rutherglen is crazier than Castlemilk these days.

is chookie land according to weegies, just like Rutherglen and Paisley

If y'all think Glasgow is bad, yous haven't been to Paisley! I would sooner walk around Glasgow at midnight than Paisley at midday! Ped the ned has the right idea. As the ned menace cannae be wiped out, then they could be put to good use with Ped's innovative idea. I bet the neds would enjoy it as much as the spectators! :-)

The Missing City wrote:

Renegade wrote:

Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas

Such as Fernhill or Spittal? Rutherglen is crazier than Castlemilk these days.

is chookie land according to weegies, just like Rutherglen and Paisley

If y'all think Glasgow is bad, yous haven't been to Paisley! I would sooner walk around Glasgow at midnight than Paisley at midday! Ped the ned has the right idea. As the ned menace cannae be wiped out, then they could be put to good use with Ped's innovative idea. I bet the neds would enjoy it as much as the spectators! :-)

You forgot King's Park, Burnside, Carmunnock, Clarkston and Muirend and Cathcart - all of which contain Wealthy Redsidents and some of which are affluent areas, the areas you speak of are outside Glasgow as you are no doubt well aware. Growing up in Castlemilk in the late 80's & 90's (in between seeing Bridgeton, The Old Barrowfield, Parkhead, Shettleston, Easterhouse, Cranhill, Queenslie & Possil), yes it is fair to say that even back then Fernhill, Cathkin, Springhall & Westburn were radge and so was Cathkin High School but nothing's changed apart from sticking in a few private plots of housing and with regards to your comment about the Spittal, its not really a bad place but is it Castlemilk Boys or Spittal Boys who go nuts on a Sat & Sun night outside the shops on Castlemilk Road? It really doesn't matter where you are in Glasgow as its everywhere 20 years on and to be honest as I said in my previous post above, there has been nothing but incompetence at all levels for many years. The polis are more interested in tea and doughnuts, but its not their fault either as the buck is passed from gov. organisation to the other though they don't half make things worse when they are involved! I suppose that imcludes most of the politicians too who only appear in these places at the opening of some centre or to cut a ribbon and the council puts in flowerbeds for the day and then after the spongers have left to disinfect themselves for fear of disease for the people who have to live in these areas (which could be a far lot better than what they are) its back to the same old sh1t, different day! And the stiff Middle Class wonder why people who they see as "Beneath them" have so much bads attitude, well maybe if the twats weren't so ignorant, they would admit to their lot creating generations of Social Damage which many people believe is beyond repair!

The Missing City wrote:

The Missing City wrote:

Renegade wrote:

Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas

Such as Fernhill or Spittal? Rutherglen is crazier than Castlemilk these days.

is chookie land according to weegies, just like Rutherglen and Paisley

If y'all think Glasgow is bad, yous haven't been to Paisley! I would sooner walk around Glasgow at midnight than Paisley at midday! Ped the ned has the right idea. As the ned menace cannae be wiped out, then they could be put to good use with Ped's innovative idea. I bet the neds would enjoy it as much as the spectators! :-)

You forgot King's Park, Burnside, Carmunnock, Clarkston and Muirend and Cathcart - all of which contain Wealthy Redsidents and some of which are affluent areas, the areas you speak of are outside Glasgow as you are no doubt well aware. Growing up in Castlemilk in the late 80's & 90's (in between seeing Bridgeton, The Old Barrowfield, Parkhead, Shettleston, Easterhouse, Cranhill, Queenslie & Possil), yes it is fair to say that even back then Fernhill, Cathkin, Springhall & Westburn were radge and so was Cathkin High School but nothing's changed apart from sticking in a few private plots of housing and with regards to your comment about the Spittal, its not really a bad place but is it Castlemilk Boys or Spittal Boys who go nuts on a Sat & Sun night outside the shops on Castlemilk Road? It really doesn't matter where you are in Glasgow as its everywhere 20 years on and to be honest as I said in my previous post above, there has been nothing but incompetence at all levels for many years. The polis are more interested in tea and doughnuts, but its not their fault either as the buck is passed from gov. organisation to the other though they don't half make things worse when they are involved! I suppose that imcludes most of the politicians too who only appear in these places at the opening of some centre or to cut a ribbon and the council puts in flowerbeds for the day and then after the spongers have left to disinfect themselves for fear of disease for the people who have to live in these areas (which could be a far lot better than what they are) its back to the same old sh1t, different day! And the stiff Middle Class wonder why people who they see as "Beneath them" have so much bads attitude, well maybe if the twats weren't so ignorant, they would admit to their lot creating generations of Social Damage which many people believe is beyond repair!

Oh and for the record, I left school with no qualifications cos I hated my teachers and the system was rank rotten and I grew up in a single parent family and I've visited and been associated with some of the craziest parts of Glasgow - so I leave to anybody here to assume what I may be in the present day ;-)

The Missing City wrote:

The Missing City wrote:

The Missing City wrote:

Renegade wrote:

Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas

Such as Fernhill or Spittal? Rutherglen is crazier than Castlemilk these days.

is chookie land according to weegies, just like Rutherglen and Paisley

If y'all think Glasgow is bad, yous haven't been to Paisley! I would sooner walk around Glasgow at midnight than Paisley at midday! Ped the ned has the right idea. As the ned menace cannae be wiped out, then they could be put to good use with Ped's innovative idea. I bet the neds would enjoy it as much as the spectators! :-)

You forgot King's Park, Burnside, Carmunnock, Clarkston and Muirend and Cathcart - all of which contain Wealthy Redsidents and some of which are affluent areas, the areas you speak of are outside Glasgow as you are no doubt well aware. Growing up in Castlemilk in the late 80's & 90's (in between seeing Bridgeton, The Old Barrowfield, Parkhead, Shettleston, Easterhouse, Cranhill, Queenslie & Possil), yes it is fair to say that even back then Fernhill, Cathkin, Springhall & Westburn were radge and so was Cathkin High School but nothing's changed apart from sticking in a few private plots of housing and with regards to your comment about the Spittal, its not really a bad place but is it Castlemilk Boys or Spittal Boys who go nuts on a Sat & Sun night outside the shops on Castlemilk Road? It really doesn't matter where you are in Glasgow as its everywhere 20 years on and to be honest as I said in my previous post above, there has been nothing but incompetence at all levels for many years. The polis are more interested in tea and doughnuts, but its not their fault either as the buck is passed from gov. organisation to the other though they don't half make things worse when they are involved! I suppose that imcludes most of the politicians too who only appear in these places at the opening of some centre or to cut a ribbon and the council puts in flowerbeds for the day and then after the spongers have left to disinfect themselves for fear of disease for the people who have to live in these areas (which could be a far lot better than what they are) its back to the same old sh1t, different day! And the stiff Middle Class wonder why people who they see as "Beneath them" have so much bads attitude, well maybe if the twats weren't so ignorant, they would admit to their lot creating generations of Social Damage which many people believe is beyond repair!

Oh and for the record, I left school with no qualifications cos I hated my teachers and the system was rank rotten and I grew up in a single parent family and I've visited and been associated with some of the craziest parts of Glasgow - so I leave to anybody here to assume what I may be in the present day ;-)

In other words, the ignoramuses and the stiff middle class can shove their stereotypes and their comments up their Bournville Boulevards as most ordinary people will find this is where their heads are as they talk plenty of the stuff that normally comes from where their heads are stuck! They should be helping those who are less fortunate than themselves, not abusing or discouraging them in any way! This is why young people are running amok, pathetic parenting doesn't help either! Noo it's doon tae the polis! Ha Ha Ha

is it Castlemilk Boys or Spittal Boys who go nuts on a Sat & Sun night outside the shops on Castlemilk Road?

Renegade wrote:

The Missing City wrote:

The Missing City wrote:

The Missing City wrote:

Renegade wrote:

Sure Castlemilk may be stuck on a hill to the South surrounded by wealthy residents and affluent areas

Such as Fernhill or Spittal? Rutherglen is crazier than Castlemilk these days.

is chookie land according to weegies, just like Rutherglen and Paisley

If y'all think Glasgow is bad, yous haven't been to Paisley! I would sooner walk around Glasgow at midnight than Paisley at midday! Ped the ned has the right idea. As the ned menace cannae be wiped out, then they could be put to good use with Ped's innovative idea. I bet the neds would enjoy it as much as the spectators! :-)

You forgot King's Park, Burnside, Carmunnock, Clarkston and Muirend and Cathcart - all of which contain Wealthy Redsidents and some of which are affluent areas, the areas you speak of are outside Glasgow as you are no doubt well aware. Growing up in Castlemilk in the late 80's & 90's (in between seeing Bridgeton, The Old Barrowfield, Parkhead, Shettleston, Easterhouse, Cranhill, Queenslie & Possil), yes it is fair to say that even back then Fernhill, Cathkin, Springhall & Westburn were radge and so was Cathkin High School but nothing's changed apart from sticking in a few private plots of housing and with regards to your comment about the Spittal, its not really a bad place but is it Castlemilk Boys or Spittal Boys who go nuts on a Sat & Sun night outside the shops on Castlemilk Road? It really doesn't matter where you are in Glasgow as its everywhere 20 years on and to be honest as I said in my previous post above, there has been nothing but incompetence at all levels for many years. The polis are more interested in tea and doughnuts, but its not their fault either as the buck is passed from gov. organisation to the other though they don't half make things worse when they are involved! I suppose that imcludes most of the politicians too who only appear in these places at the opening of some centre or to cut a ribbon and the council puts in flowerbeds for the day and then after the spongers have left to disinfect themselves for fear of disease for the people who have to live in these areas (which could be a far lot better than what they are) its back to the same old sh1t, different day! And the stiff Middle Class wonder why people who they see as "Beneath them" have so much bads attitude, well maybe if the twats weren't so ignorant, they would admit to their lot creating generations of Social Damage which many people believe is beyond repair!

Oh and for the record, I left school with no qualifications cos I hated my teachers and the system was rank rotten and I grew up in a single parent family and I've visited and been associated with some of the craziest parts of Glasgow - so I leave to anybody here to assume what I may be in the present day ;-)

In other words, the ignoramuses and the stiff middle class can shove their stereotypes and their comments up their Bournville Boulevards as most ordinary people will find this is where their heads are as they talk plenty of the stuff that normally comes from where their heads are stuck! They should be helping those who are less fortunate than themselves, not abusing or discouraging them in any way! This is why young people are running amok, pathetic parenting doesn't help either! Noo it's doon tae the polis! Ha Ha Ha

Interesting post from the Missing City. To a large extent I agree with a lot of your views. The system is rotten to the core, and yes, the mind controlled masses have their heads buried up their jacksies, as a result of years of propaganda from our political masters. Many of the once nicer and calmer areas of the city are now experiencing the ned epidemic, and it is no longer confined to the inner-city slums or sink housing schemes. This is gonnae get much worse as the global elite wage war on the Middle-Class with higher taxes, outsourced emoloyment etc. and soon more and more of them will be relegated to the underclass, should things continue unhindered. Many of those who complain about the ned problem are also from the crime-ridden areas and are on the receiving end of it, while suffering the stigmas associated with urban life. Therefore, while they may or may not be misled by the media, they are hardly Middle-Class bigots. It is human nature for most people to attack, blame and stigmatise those that they consider as inferior to themselves and this trait has been heavilly fueled by the Thatcherite mentality of predatory greed that still exists to this day.

is it Castlemilk Boys or Spittal Boys who go nuts on a Sat & Sun night outside the shops on Castlemilk Road?

It is over 15 years since I was last up that way, so I wouldn't know whether they're fae C/milk, Spittal, Croftfoot, Bankhead or anywhere else. I have been under the impression that Castlemilk has seen greater improvement, and lower levels of violent crime than many other parts of the city mentioned above, in recent years. The problem will never be solved under the present two party system, and will take some radical shakeup before any significant headway can be made in tackling the problem.

Not me, Prison is too good for the likes of some of those who have ben in the system too long, and have no respect for the officers, police, or authority figures.

Until we look at he alternatives to Prison, and start to tackle the root of the problem, prevent crime happening through re-education, and gradually phase out the gangs that are running amock in some parts of the city things will never change.

Fear, misconceptions, ignorance and stereotypes make people see gangs, neds or yobs as all the same

seeing alot of them for what they are - immature, ignorant, misinformed, disrespectful kids who need a focus

the polis are people not to be trusted they lie to much.

I was constantly bein lifted and taken home and you wanna know what they knew ma maw was kicking the **** out of me

tazered for not complying with the policeman

heavy wrote:
GANG CULTURE!!!!!!!!!! This has been part of a master plan by the crown ,police and politicians to withdraw policing from ALL areas that have been left in deprivation for centuries. Why does it take the police HOURS to answer a call from a Glasgow housing scheme while a similar call from one of Glasgow's affluent areas were the lawyers and judges abide or a call from a bank creates in seconds a whole fleet of police vans with 100's of cops in military style gear. MONEY for police in Scotland is god.Until an old pensioner being mugged receives GREATER response than a bank ,from Scotlands failed police force, a force that is dominated by the secret society bully boys and who have other agenda's? Ask anyone who has faced enforced eviction from their illegally possessed home how BRUTAL that sinister system operates with Scottish police heading that tyranny. The ESTABLISHMENT want us to believe there is NO ANSWER and that crimes are always generated from the poorest areas of the city.Well the fact the police have been withdrawn from those areas is ONE GOOD REASON . Also our group have massive proof that there is far more CRIMES taking place by the very people charged with running our legal system in the UPPER echelons of our legal system. What wee toe rag can grab your house and put it in his POCKET?NO! THE REAL crooks are the ones that get a single A4 sheet before the right judge and the land registry will at a stroke allow the MASSIVE criminal removal of homes throughout GLASGOW. We have the evidence and the proof the REAL criminal fraternity are having their crimes failing to be investigated ,much like the recent events in WALES by the recently sacked chief constable who failed to investigate a perverted judge. Child abuse cover-up allegations over top policeman who quit http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk /article2933503.ece These are the same SCUM that are supposedly responsible for our laws when in fact they are the biggest pervs and crooks and makes the small time crooks pale by comparison. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR CHILD,HOME,LAND OR BUSINESS STOLEN WITHOUT A JURY DECISION.END SCOTLAND'S SECRETIVE STAR CHAMBER CIVIL COURTS.

thistlemad wrote:
Want to stop gang warfare???? Simple, give the police real bullets and rifles ......... end of discussion.

trench wrote:
if the youths that feel inadequate so therefore join gangs and put themselves in real danger, there is lots of other more things to do which is less dangerous, and when you are applying for a job i dont think the personell people would be impressed if you say"i hang about with my buddies" (they do police reports and at the press of a button can find out when you had your last run in with crime, try joining the boy clubs,they go camping, mountain climbing.hiking,sky diving, the world is at your feet, plus it keeps you fit, you just need to look at the trouble makers and all you see is peely wally looking poor wee souls and need their other puky pals to back them up.

heavy wrote:
GANG CULTURE!!!!!!!!!! This has been part of a master plan by the crown ,police and politicians to withdraw policing from ALL areas that have been left in deprivation for centuries. Why does it take the police HOURS to answer a call from a Glasgow housing scheme while a similar call from one of Glasgow's affluent areas were the lawyers and judges abide or a call from a bank creates in seconds a whole fleet of police vans with 100's of cops in military style gear. MONEY for police in Scotland is god.Until an old pensioner being mugged receives GREATER response than a bank ,from Scotlands failed police force, a force that is dominated by the secret society bully boys and who have other agenda's? Ask anyone who has faced enforced eviction from their illegally possessed home how BRUTAL that sinister system operates with Scottish police heading that tyranny. The ESTABLISHMENT want us to believe there is NO ANSWER and that crimes are always generated from the poorest areas of the city.Well the fact the police have been withdrawn from those areas is ONE GOOD REASON . Also our group have massive proof that there is far more CRIMES taking place by the very people charged with running our legal system in the UPPER echelons of our legal system. What wee toe rag can grab your house and put it in his POCKET?NO! THE REAL crooks are the ones that get a single A4 sheet before the right judge and the land registry will at a stroke allow the MASSIVE criminal removal of homes throughout GLASGOW. We have the evidence and the proof the REAL criminal fraternity are having their crimes failing to be investigated ,much like the recent events in WALES by the recently sacked chief constable who failed to investigate a perverted judge. Child abuse cover-up allegations over top policeman who quit http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk /article2933503.ece These are the same SCUM that are supposedly responsible for our laws when in fact they are the biggest pervs and crooks and makes the small time crooks pale by comparison. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR CHILD,HOME,LAND OR BUSINESS STOLEN WITHOUT A JURY DECISION.END SCOTLAND'S SECRETIVE STAR CHAMBER CIVIL COURTS.