Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:37am Mon 3 Dec 07
Living in Dennistoun, I can vouch for this. Since the royal infirmary car parking fiasco, our street (which is well into the middle of Dennistoun) and surrounding streets are always packed. The people living there have nowhere to park (and on football days, when folk going to Parkhead think they have the right to a free space, you can imagine what its like). The council has just made this even worse by painting double yellows on every corner that stretch at least a car length round the corner, so thats taken a lot of spaces out too.
(Plus my neighbour who has insisted on having a skip in the street for several weeks now, but thats another story...)
Living in Dennistoun, I can vouch for this. Since the royal infirmary car parking fiasco, our street (which is well into the middle of Dennistoun) and surrounding streets are always packed. The people living there have nowhere to park (and on football days, when folk going to Parkhead think they have the right to a free space, you can imagine what its like). The council has just made this even worse by painting double yellows on every corner that stretch at least a car length round the corner, so thats taken a lot of spaces out too.
(Plus my neighbour who has insisted on having a skip in the street for several weeks now, but thats another story...)
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 11:39am Mon 3 Dec 07
[quote]He said the council should provide more large-scale car parks with easy access to public transport just outside the city centre.
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The main problem to the west of the city has always been from commuters from Bearsden, Milngavie, Bishopriggs etc - where exactly does Bill Aitken propose that Glasgow City Council supposed to place these car parks?
Bill Aitken should consider himself lucky if it is only [bold]now[/bold] that he is experiencing his street being filled with "wall to wall metal". Many of us have had this experience ever since the Council's so-called "successful scheme" of controlled parking zones was introduced.
He said the council should provide more large-scale car parks with easy access to public transport just outside the city centre.
The main problem to the west of the city has always been from commuters from Bearsden, Milngavie, Bishopriggs etc - where exactly does Bill Aitken propose that Glasgow City Council supposed to place these car parks?
Bill Aitken should consider himself lucky if it is only
now that he is experiencing his street being filled with "wall to wall metal". Many of us have had this experience ever since the Council's so-called "successful scheme" of controlled parking zones was introduced.
Posted by: tangogal, glasgow on 12:30pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Glanmkitty i think we live in the same street! opposite all the churches? If so, works meant to be finished by tomorrow...
Very annoying re the extra double yellows - no consultation with anyone, just added in the dead of night - loses 4 spaces from every block. it's all about the revenue.
Glanmkitty i think we live in the same street! opposite all the churches? If so, works meant to be finished by tomorrow...
Very annoying re the extra double yellows - no consultation with anyone, just added in the dead of night - loses 4 spaces from every block. it's all about the revenue.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 12:37pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Nup, Tangogal - theres a church round the corner and down the road, but not opposite - guess everywhere's a mess!
Nup, Tangogal - theres a church round the corner and down the road, but not opposite - guess everywhere's a mess!
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 1:10pm Mon 3 Dec 07
It would be nice if the council produced any evidence to show that their policy has actually reduced car usage. I used to park (legally) away from the city centre and walk in, but by moving the free areas further and further away they have succeeded in persuading me that the cost of parking in the city centre is worth it.
"The council has just made this even worse by painting double yellows on every corner that stretch at least a car length round the corner" - you shouldn't be parking within a car length of the corner anyway.
It would be nice if the council produced any evidence to show that their policy has actually reduced car usage. I used to park (legally) away from the city centre and walk in, but by moving the free areas further and further away they have succeeded in persuading me that the cost of parking in the city centre is worth it.
"The council has just made this even worse by painting double yellows on every corner that stretch at least a car length round the corner" - you shouldn't be parking within a car length of the corner anyway.
Posted by: a_mcb, glasgow on 1:16pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I grew up at Charing Cross during the 1980s so I thought I'd seen it all when it came to parking. That was until I moved to Dennistoun 2 years ago. Tangogal - the council did consult on the double yellows, but they didn't consult on the single yellows - try parking just off the Parade now before 6pm... At least I don't have kids, it's a total nightmare for my neighbours
I grew up at Charing Cross during the 1980s so I thought I'd seen it all when it came to parking. That was until I moved to Dennistoun 2 years ago. Tangogal - the council did consult on the double yellows, but they didn't consult on the single yellows - try parking just off the Parade now before 6pm... At least I don't have kids, it's a total nightmare for my neighbours
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 1:23pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Why is it more of a nightmare for folk with children, a_mcb? I dont understand.
Why is it more of a nightmare for folk with children, a_mcb? I dont understand.
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 2:13pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I stay in Yorkhill as well and can vouch for Bill Aitken being a vociferous campaigner on this. Having witnessed cars driving across the playpark in Overnewton Square, I would be quite happy to have to pay for a residents permit now. The bumps and scrapes on my car from late hospital workers desperately trying to squeeze into a space have made £50 a year seem a bargain.
By the way, it seems that the vast majority of these hospital workers are 9-5. We are a 5 minute walk away from Partick station - one of the largest transport hubs in the country so what's their excuse?
I stay in Yorkhill as well and can vouch for Bill Aitken being a vociferous campaigner on this. Having witnessed cars driving across the playpark in Overnewton Square, I would be quite happy to have to pay for a residents permit now. The bumps and scrapes on my car from late hospital workers desperately trying to squeeze into a space have made £50 a year seem a bargain.
By the way, it seems that the vast majority of these hospital workers are 9-5. We are a 5 minute walk away from Partick station - one of the largest transport hubs in the country so what's their excuse?
Posted by: Paddy, Glesga on 2:28pm Mon 3 Dec 07
The double yellows in Dennistoun were definitely needed, you were driving blind trying to get out of some streets and i know of at least one crash on broompark (my 9 year old witnessed it).
They should be ripping the parking meters out of wishart and firpark, they lie empty now and would take a little bit of pressure of that corner of dennistoun.
The double yellows in Dennistoun were definitely needed, you were driving blind trying to get out of some streets and i know of at least one crash on broompark (my 9 year old witnessed it).
They should be ripping the parking meters out of wishart and firpark, they lie empty now and would take a little bit of pressure of that corner of dennistoun.
Posted by: IainGlasgow07, glasgow on 2:57pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Its time we had residents only parking throughout Glasgow and tow away or clamp any cars that break the rule
Its time we had residents only parking throughout Glasgow and tow away or clamp any cars that break the rule
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:57pm Mon 3 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Paddy[/bold] wrote:
The double yellows in Dennistoun were definitely needed, you were driving blind trying to get out of some streets and i know of at least one crash on broompark (my 9 year old witnessed it). They should be ripping the parking meters out of wishart and firpark, they lie empty now and would take a little bit of pressure of that corner of dennistoun.[/quote] Its true that there was some terrible, dangerous parking around Dennistoun - particularly on football days, we'd get them parked longwise across the pavement sometimes. But, unfortunately, plenty of people are STILL parking on the now-double yellows, and Ive not seen a traffic warden in the street once.
Its only a matter of time before we get parking meters in our street anyway. Theyre already on duke st and the parade, it wont be long before they creep into the middle...
Paddy wrote:
The double yellows in Dennistoun were definitely needed, you were driving blind trying to get out of some streets and i know of at least one crash on broompark (my 9 year old witnessed it). They should be ripping the parking meters out of wishart and firpark, they lie empty now and would take a little bit of pressure of that corner of dennistoun.
Its true that there was some terrible, dangerous parking around Dennistoun - particularly on football days, we'd get them parked longwise across the pavement sometimes. But, unfortunately, plenty of people are STILL parking on the now-double yellows, and Ive not seen a traffic warden in the street once.
Its only a matter of time before we get parking meters in our street anyway. Theyre already on duke st and the parade, it wont be long before they creep into the middle...
Posted by: Happychappy, glasgow on 3:51pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Glam kitty,
does this help with your skip problem? . . .
Highways Act, 1980, Section 139.
Road traffic regulations act, 1984; Sections 65
Permission to place a builder's skip on the highway
1) Your local council in exercise of their powers under Section 139 of the Highways Act 1980 and under Section 65 of the Road Traffic Regulations Act, 1984.
2) Each skip shall be deposited on the carriageway outside the premises and shall be positioned so that it does not impede the surface water drainage of the highway nor obstruct access to any manhole or the apparatus of any statutory undertaker or the local council.
3) Where more than one skip is on the highway at any one time, the skips shall be positioned as closely as possible to each other, but not so as to obstruct access to any premises unless the consent of the occupier of those premises has been obtained.
4) Each skip shall not exceed 5 metres in length by 2 metres in width.
5) Each skip or group of skips shall while on the highway be marked and lit in accordance with the following requirements.
(a) The ends of each skip (that is to say, the sides of the skip facing traffic in both directions when the skip is positioned as mentioned in Condition 2 above) shall be painted yellow and marked in accordance with the requirements of The Builder's Skips (Markings) Regulations 1984 (Statutory Instrument 1984 No. 1933). The painting and the markings shall at all times be kept clean and efficient and clearly visible for a reasonable distance to persons using the highway on which the skip is placed.
(b) Each skip shall be clearly and indelibly marked with the owners name and with his telephone number or address.
(c) Each skip shall be guarded by at least 3 traffic cones placed on the carriageway in a oblique line on the approach side of the skip. Where 2 or more skips are deposited in a row, so that the distance between adjacent skips does not exceed 2 metres, the row shall be guarded as if it were one skip.
(d) At night (that is to say, between half an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise), a danger lamp shall be placed against or attached to each corner of the skip or the end corners of the row of skips where two or more skips are deposited in a row and the distance between adjacent skips does not exceed 2 metres and shall also be placed between each cone and the next. Each lamp shall be of the nature as prescribed on paragraph 40 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1981 (Statutory Instrument 1981 No. 859) and shall remain lit through the night.
1) No skip, when standing in the highway, shall contain any inflammable explosive, noxious or dangerous material or any material which is likely to putrefy or which otherwise is, or likely to become, a nuisance to users of the highway.
2) No skip shall be used in such a way that any of its contents fall on to the highway, or that there is an escape of dust from the contents of the skip when standing in the highway.
3) Each skip shall be removed for emptying as soon as practicable and in any case no later than 2 working days after it has been filled.
4) No skip shall remain on the highway pursuant to this permission after the period of this permission specified in paragraph 1 has expired.
5) All materials placed in each skip shall be properly disposed of and the highway where the skip or skips have been deposited shall be left in a clean and tidy condition on the expiration of this permission.
Take note that
(a) Section 139(1) of the Highways Act, 1980 provides that a builders skip shall not be deposited on a highway without the permission of the highway authority of the highway. If a builders skip is so deposited without the permission of the highway authority, the owner of the skip shall be guilty of an offence and liable in respect thereof to a fine not exceeding L1000.
(b) Section 139(4) of the Highways Act 1980 requires the owner of a builders skip which has been deposited on a highway to secure that the skip is properly lighted during the hours of darkness, that it is clearly and indelibly marked with the owners name and with his telephone number or address, that the skip is removed as soon as practicable after it has been filled and that each of the conditions of the highway authority's permission is properly complied with. If the owner of the skip fails to comply with the aforementioned conditions he should be guilty of an offence and on conviction liable to a fine not exceeding L1000.
(c) Section 139(10) of the Highways Act, 1980 provides that nothing in the Section shall be taken as authorising the creation of a nuisance or of a danger to users of a highway or as imposing on a highway authority by whom injury, damage or loss resulting from the presence on a highway of the skip to which the permission relates.
(d) Section 140 of the Highways Act, 1980 empowers a highway authority or a Police Officer to require the removal or repositioning or to remove or reposition a builders skip deposited on a highway, even though it was deposited in accordance with the highway authority's permission and to recover from the owner the cost of such removal or repositioning, and to dispose of a skip which is not collected by its owner. Should an owner fail to comply with a request under Section 140 to remove or reposition a skip he shall be guilty of an offence and liable in respect thereof to a fine not exceeding £1000.
Glam kitty,
does this help with your skip problem? . . .
Highways Act, 1980, Section 139.
Road traffic regulations act, 1984; Sections 65
Permission to place a builder's skip on the highway
1) Your local council in exercise of their powers under Section 139 of the Highways Act 1980 and under Section 65 of the Road Traffic Regulations Act, 1984.
2) Each skip shall be deposited on the carriageway outside the premises and shall be positioned so that it does not impede the surface water drainage of the highway nor obstruct access to any manhole or the apparatus of any statutory undertaker or the local council.
3) Where more than one skip is on the highway at any one time, the skips shall be positioned as closely as possible to each other, but not so as to obstruct access to any premises unless the consent of the occupier of those premises has been obtained.
4) Each skip shall not exceed 5 metres in length by 2 metres in width.
5) Each skip or group of skips shall while on the highway be marked and lit in accordance with the following requirements.
(a) The ends of each skip (that is to say, the sides of the skip facing traffic in both directions when the skip is positioned as mentioned in Condition 2 above) shall be painted yellow and marked in accordance with the requirements of The Builder's Skips (Markings) Regulations 1984 (Statutory Instrument 1984 No. 1933). The painting and the markings shall at all times be kept clean and efficient and clearly visible for a reasonable distance to persons using the highway on which the skip is placed.
(b) Each skip shall be clearly and indelibly marked with the owners name and with his telephone number or address.
(c) Each skip shall be guarded by at least 3 traffic cones placed on the carriageway in a oblique line on the approach side of the skip. Where 2 or more skips are deposited in a row, so that the distance between adjacent skips does not exceed 2 metres, the row shall be guarded as if it were one skip.
(d) At night (that is to say, between half an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise), a danger lamp shall be placed against or attached to each corner of the skip or the end corners of the row of skips where two or more skips are deposited in a row and the distance between adjacent skips does not exceed 2 metres and shall also be placed between each cone and the next. Each lamp shall be of the nature as prescribed on paragraph 40 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1981 (Statutory Instrument 1981 No. 859) and shall remain lit through the night.
1) No skip, when standing in the highway, shall contain any inflammable explosive, noxious or dangerous material or any material which is likely to putrefy or which otherwise is, or likely to become, a nuisance to users of the highway.
2) No skip shall be used in such a way that any of its contents fall on to the highway, or that there is an escape of dust from the contents of the skip when standing in the highway.
3) Each skip shall be removed for emptying as soon as practicable and in any case no later than 2 working days after it has been filled.
4) No skip shall remain on the highway pursuant to this permission after the period of this permission specified in paragraph 1 has expired.
5) All materials placed in each skip shall be properly disposed of and the highway where the skip or skips have been deposited shall be left in a clean and tidy condition on the expiration of this permission.
Take note that
(a) Section 139(1) of the Highways Act, 1980 provides that a builders skip shall not be deposited on a highway without the permission of the highway authority of the highway. If a builders skip is so deposited without the permission of the highway authority, the owner of the skip shall be guilty of an offence and liable in respect thereof to a fine not exceeding L1000.
(b) Section 139(4) of the Highways Act 1980 requires the owner of a builders skip which has been deposited on a highway to secure that the skip is properly lighted during the hours of darkness, that it is clearly and indelibly marked with the owners name and with his telephone number or address, that the skip is removed as soon as practicable after it has been filled and that each of the conditions of the highway authority's permission is properly complied with. If the owner of the skip fails to comply with the aforementioned conditions he should be guilty of an offence and on conviction liable to a fine not exceeding L1000.
(c) Section 139(10) of the Highways Act, 1980 provides that nothing in the Section shall be taken as authorising the creation of a nuisance or of a danger to users of a highway or as imposing on a highway authority by whom injury, damage or loss resulting from the presence on a highway of the skip to which the permission relates.
(d) Section 140 of the Highways Act, 1980 empowers a highway authority or a Police Officer to require the removal or repositioning or to remove or reposition a builders skip deposited on a highway, even though it was deposited in accordance with the highway authority's permission and to recover from the owner the cost of such removal or repositioning, and to dispose of a skip which is not collected by its owner. Should an owner fail to comply with a request under Section 140 to remove or reposition a skip he shall be guilty of an offence and liable in respect thereof to a fine not exceeding £1000.
Posted by: chris1922, Langside on 5:05pm Mon 3 Dec 07
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
Living in Dennistoun, I can vouch for this. Since the royal infirmary car parking fiasco, our street (which is well into the middle of Dennistoun) and surrounding streets are always packed. The people living there have nowhere to park (and on football days, when folk going to Parkhead think they have the right to a free space, you can imagine what its like). The council has just made this even worse by painting double yellows on every corner that stretch at least a car length round the corner, so thats taken a lot of spaces out too. (Plus my neighbour who has insisted on having a skip in the street for several weeks now, but thats another story...)[/quote] Providing they have valid road tax,insurance and MOT, they DO have the right to park ! So long as it is legal to do so.
glamkitty wrote:
Living in Dennistoun, I can vouch for this. Since the royal infirmary car parking fiasco, our street (which is well into the middle of Dennistoun) and surrounding streets are always packed. The people living there have nowhere to park (and on football days, when folk going to Parkhead think they have the right to a free space, you can imagine what its like). The council has just made this even worse by painting double yellows on every corner that stretch at least a car length round the corner, so thats taken a lot of spaces out too. (Plus my neighbour who has insisted on having a skip in the street for several weeks now, but thats another story...)
Providing they have valid road tax,insurance and MOT, they DO have the right to park ! So long as it is legal to do so.
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 5:26pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Public transport is rubbish in this city, of course people need to get around in cars. There should, however, be no restrictions anywhere, it should just be first-come, first-served. It's all very well having 'residents only' parking but what if someone comes to visit? At the very least it would be a worthwhile experiment.
If the council needs to compensate for lost revenue, well a bit of downsizing would be long overdue.......
Public transport is rubbish in this city, of course people need to get around in cars. There should, however, be no restrictions anywhere, it should just be first-come, first-served. It's all very well having 'residents only' parking but what if someone comes to visit? At the very least it would be a worthwhile experiment.
If the council needs to compensate for lost revenue, well a bit of downsizing would be long overdue.......
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:23pm Mon 3 Dec 07
I live in a street where no one is allowed to visit, I have a road outside me which is only passable with one car, cars have to either park around in another street because some brain thought that no - one in Springburn had cars! But then, unlike Dennistoun and Yorkhill - who would visit a dump like Springburn?
I live in a street where no one is allowed to visit, I have a road outside me which is only passable with one car, cars have to either park around in another street because some brain thought that no - one in Springburn had cars! But then, unlike Dennistoun and Yorkhill - who would visit a dump like Springburn?
Posted by: watz, g31 on 7:12pm Mon 3 Dec 07
Thank god for the double yellow lines on the street corners, they are long overdue. I only hope drivers do not park on them. As anyone who has ever had to push a wheel chair will know, these corners being blocked by selfish motorists, create untold misery. Drivers would be the first to complain if they were blocked in. The pavement dips at the corner for a reason.
Thank god for the double yellow lines on the street corners, they are long overdue. I only hope drivers do not park on them. As anyone who has ever had to push a wheel chair will know, these corners being blocked by selfish motorists, create untold misery. Drivers would be the first to complain if they were blocked in. The pavement dips at the corner for a reason.
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 10:43pm Mon 3 Dec 07
So the East End has finally encountered what we in the West, have had to put up with for years. About time, maybe the councillors who make these decisions might finally have to listen to their electorate! And glamkitty, no wonder you go to Tesco in Springburn, it's close to you, No such luck in the west, the Tesco round here doesn't have paper recycling, obviously no one reads in Maryhill!
So the East End has finally encountered what we in the West, have had to put up with for years. About time, maybe the councillors who make these decisions might finally have to listen to their electorate! And glamkitty, no wonder you go to Tesco in Springburn, it's close to you, No such luck in the west, the Tesco round here doesn't have paper recycling, obviously no one reads in Maryhill!
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 9:32am Tue 4 Dec 07
Happychappy, thanks for the skip info - I can say that about half of those are being violated...!
I agree about the yellow lines on corners - but folk are just parking on them anyway and no wardens are around, so what was the point? They never even turned up on the last match day!
Happychappy, thanks for the skip info - I can say that about half of those are being violated...!
I agree about the yellow lines on corners - but folk are just parking on them anyway and no wardens are around, so what was the point? They never even turned up on the last match day!
Posted by: VOICE OF REASON, glasgow on 9:53am Tue 4 Dec 07
this is not completly releated but i feel must be known by all
Blythswood crt one of the last social housing options left in the city centre thats NOT being pulled down has underground parking for approx 250-300 cars... 3 blocks ,13 floors each and 8 flats per floor and only 8 yes 8 of these are for residents! the remaining are split between the hilton call centre and supposed buisnesses attached to Blythswood crt but i have witnessed folk driving in and walking as far as central station ( i walk to work that way) when the matter was raised GHA stated that the parking bellongs to taylor woodrow and there are 24 gaurds with barriers at the entrance way...backhanders methinks ? so what about residents parking ? you cant get a permit for adjoining streets as the street names dont match ! could the ET do an expose on this ?
this is not completly releated but i feel must be known by all
Blythswood crt one of the last social housing options left in the city centre thats NOT being pulled down has underground parking for approx 250-300 cars... 3 blocks ,13 floors each and 8 flats per floor and only 8 yes 8 of these are for residents! the remaining are split between the hilton call centre and supposed buisnesses attached to Blythswood crt but i have witnessed folk driving in and walking as far as central station ( i walk to work that way) when the matter was raised GHA stated that the parking bellongs to taylor woodrow and there are 24 gaurds with barriers at the entrance way...backhanders methinks ? so what about residents parking ? you cant get a permit for adjoining streets as the street names dont match ! could the ET do an expose on this ?
Posted by: VOICE OF REASON, glasgow on 9:55am Tue 4 Dec 07
sorry that meant to read 24 HOUR guards....
sorry that meant to read 24 HOUR guards....