Posted by: JohnMcDonald, London on 11:19am Tue 11 Dec 07
Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society.
They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing.
Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society.
They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing.
Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Posted by: Paul, Dumfries on 11:32am Tue 11 Dec 07
Well done to the Evening Times!!!
I agree with JohnMcDonald above, the crimes might seem trivial but they are causing a great deal of trouble. PLUS, if people see litter strewn about the streets then they seem to think it is okay if they do it too because it won't make a difference. WRONG! Also, I'm fed up seeing people throw away their cigarette ends and not see that as littering. The people who are refusing to pay fines should be taken to court and ordered to clean up the streets wearing brightly coloured boiler suits.
Well done to the Evening Times!!!
I agree with JohnMcDonald above, the crimes might seem trivial but they are causing a great deal of trouble. PLUS, if people see litter strewn about the streets then they seem to think it is okay if they do it too because it won't make a difference. WRONG! Also, I'm fed up seeing people throw away their cigarette ends and not see that as littering. The people who are refusing to pay fines should be taken to court and ordered to clean up the streets wearing brightly coloured boiler suits.
Posted by: max, Glasgow on 11:58am Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]JohnMcDonald[/bold] wrote:
Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society.
They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing.
Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.[/quote] Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.
JohnMcDonald wrote:
Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society.
They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing.
Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.
Posted by: jimmykkk, Aberdeen on 12:13pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I think it is terrible that the times is giving the names and ADRESSES. The first step in stealing someones identity. I can't believe the they are acting so irresponsible. Must be short of stories
I think it is terrible that the times is giving the names and ADRESSES. The first step in stealing someones identity. I can't believe the they are acting so irresponsible. Must be short of stories
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:31pm Tue 11 Dec 07
they are printing the addresses?
clowns
surely "tam smith - partick" would do
they are printing the addresses?
clowns
surely "tam smith - partick" would do
Posted by: FrazBear, Glasgow on 12:34pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]max[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JohnMcDonald[/bold] wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.[/quote] Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.[/quote] Good idea - you'll be first in line.
It's a good point you make John.
max wrote:
JohnMcDonald wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.
Good idea - you'll be first in line.
It's a good point you make John.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 12:48pm Tue 11 Dec 07
John
a few years ago i found out the cost of glazing repairs for glasgow schools and it was over a £1 million a year!!!
add that into other vandalism, graffitti and littering etc and that must be several million a year.
what a waste - the money so could have been better spent elsewhere (or for those that moan about council tax bills a hefty rebate)!!!
John
a few years ago i found out the cost of glazing repairs for glasgow schools and it was over a £1 million a year!!!
add that into other vandalism, graffitti and littering etc and that must be several million a year.
what a waste - the money so could have been better spent elsewhere (or for those that moan about council tax bills a hefty rebate)!!!
Posted by: Jim on 12:51pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]max[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JohnMcDonald[/bold] wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.[/quote] Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.[/quote] I'm with you max, let he without sin cast the first stone
max wrote:
JohnMcDonald wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.
I'm with you max, let he without sin cast the first stone
Posted by: david on 1:14pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[bold]Print Evening Times employees names and adresses please...[/bold]
See how they like this invasion of privacy.
Print Evening Times employees names and adresses please...
See how they like this invasion of privacy.
Posted by: the man, moral high ground on 1:15pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Strange newspaper this . You are allowed to post comments on this story which is of nominal importance yet the next news item the no-one can post comments . Shock horror it involves yet another attack by Eastern Europeans and involved stripping someone . Will the politically correct imbiciles please realise that hiding problems and obstructing comment allows right wing exrtremists to stoke up trouble . The evening times should allow comment on all stories whether it involves immigrants or not . Some immigrants commit crimes most dont
Strange newspaper this . You are allowed to post comments on this story which is of nominal importance yet the next news item the no-one can post comments . Shock horror it involves yet another attack by Eastern Europeans and involved stripping someone . Will the politically correct imbiciles please realise that hiding problems and obstructing comment allows right wing exrtremists to stoke up trouble . The evening times should allow comment on all stories whether it involves immigrants or not . Some immigrants commit crimes most dont
Posted by: goodster, London on 1:18pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
Posted by: jimmykkk, Aberdeen on 1:26pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well. [/quote] I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
goodster wrote:
I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]the man[/bold] wrote:
Strange newspaper this . You are allowed to post comments on this story which is of nominal importance yet the next news item the no-one can post comments . Shock horror it involves yet another attack by Eastern Europeans and involved stripping someone . Will the politically correct imbiciles please realise that hiding problems and obstructing comment allows right wing exrtremists to stoke up trouble . The evening times should allow comment on all stories whether it involves immigrants or not . Some immigrants commit crimes most dont [/quote] Agreed!
the man wrote:
Strange newspaper this . You are allowed to post comments on this story which is of nominal importance yet the next news item the no-one can post comments . Shock horror it involves yet another attack by Eastern Europeans and involved stripping someone . Will the politically correct imbiciles please realise that hiding problems and obstructing comment allows right wing exrtremists to stoke up trouble . The evening times should allow comment on all stories whether it involves immigrants or not . Some immigrants commit crimes most dont
Agreed!
Posted by: goodster, London on 1:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well. [/quote] I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............[/quote] Good for her -0 she can afford the fine then. Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser.
jimmykkk wrote:
goodster wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
Good for her -0 she can afford the fine then. Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 1:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well. [/quote] I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............[/quote] yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans!
you could'na make it up.....oh wait!!
jimmykkk wrote:
goodster wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans!
you could'na make it up.....oh wait!!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:36pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Totally agree with publishing names and addresses - absolutely zero tolerance is the approach that's needed. And if people think that people are just unlucky to be caught littering ("a handkerchief accidentally slipped as I was getting into the car."), then get real.
Littering is a major problem in this country and cost millions every year. Plus is makes everywhere look like a ****hole.
Just look at the amount of chewing gum and cigarette butts all over the pavements. Its disgusting! Then there's other litter and flytipping.
I for one, fully back the naming and shaming policy. If that's what's needed to create a change in people's attitudes to litter, then so be it.
Totally agree with publishing names and addresses - absolutely zero tolerance is the approach that's needed. And if people think that people are just unlucky to be caught littering ("a handkerchief accidentally slipped as I was getting into the car."), then get real.
Littering is a major problem in this country and cost millions every year. Plus is makes everywhere look like a ****hole.
Just look at the amount of chewing gum and cigarette butts all over the pavements. Its disgusting! Then there's other litter and flytipping.
I for one, fully back the naming and shaming policy. If that's what's needed to create a change in people's attitudes to litter, then so be it.
Posted by: slam, Glasgow on 1:44pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Excellent news for the criminal gangs who can use the info for identity theft. unbelievable.
Excellent news for the criminal gangs who can use the info for identity theft. unbelievable.
Posted by: drunkenmonkey, Glasgow on 1:50pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Fantastic idea! About time litter louts get shamed! Theres no excuse except sheer lazyness for it!
Fantastic idea! About time litter louts get shamed! Theres no excuse except sheer lazyness for it!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:51pm Tue 11 Dec 07
And how can you use this for identity theft exactly???
If that's the case, then surely the Yellow Pages and BT phonebook are other excellent reference material for these 'criminal gangs'.
Unless, the criminal gangs think "Yes, I will buy an evening times, then go to a litterlout's house thinking they probably just dump their bank statements, bills and other statements outside their house."
Providing names and addresses is of absolutely no use to criminal gangs. Vigilantes yes, identity fraudsters, no.
And how can you use this for identity theft exactly???
If that's the case, then surely the Yellow Pages and BT phonebook are other excellent reference material for these 'criminal gangs'.
Unless, the criminal gangs think "Yes, I will buy an evening times, then go to a litterlout's house thinking they probably just dump their bank statements, bills and other statements outside their house."
Providing names and addresses is of absolutely no use to criminal gangs. Vigilantes yes, identity fraudsters, no.
Posted by: david on 1:57pm Tue 11 Dec 07
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Someone has covered that immigrants story here to.
http://peterfile.wor
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Someone has covered that immigrants story here to.
Posted by: gus555, Edinburgh on 2:05pm Tue 11 Dec 07
As defined in the Data Protection Act
Sensitive personal data
In this Act “sensitive personal data” means personal data consisting of information as to—
(a) the racial or ethnic origin of the data subject,
(b) his political opinions,
(c) his religious beliefs or other beliefs of a similar nature,
(d) whether he is a member of a trade union (within the meaning of the [1992 c. 52.] Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992),
(e) his physical or mental health or condition,
(f) his sexual life,
[bold](g) the commission or alleged commission by him of any offence, or
(h) any proceedings for any offence committed or alleged to have been committed by him, the disposal of such proceedings or the sentence of any court in such proceedings.[/bold]
So if you accept the above you also by implication accept that the council can disclose, and the paper can print, any of the above items
I do [bold]not[/bold] condone littering but I think this sets a dangerous precedent.
As defined in the Data Protection Act
Sensitive personal data
In this Act “sensitive personal data” means personal data consisting of information as to—
(a) the racial or ethnic origin of the data subject,
(b) his political opinions,
(c) his religious beliefs or other beliefs of a similar nature,
(d) whether he is a member of a trade union (within the meaning of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992),
(e) his physical or mental health or condition,
(f) his sexual life,
(g) the commission or alleged commission by him of any offence, or
(h) any proceedings for any offence committed or alleged to have been committed by him, the disposal of such proceedings or the sentence of any court in such proceedings.
So if you accept the above you also by implication accept that the council can disclose, and the paper can print, any of the above items
I do
not condone littering but I think this sets a dangerous precedent.
Posted by: Vera Smart on 2:34pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this.
Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong.
One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental).
I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this.
Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong.
One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental).
I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 2:35pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Is this where I get to find out what all your "Real" names are? ha ha.
Is this where I get to find out what all your "Real" names are? ha ha.
Posted by: jimmykkk, Aberdeen on 2:49pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]daz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well. [/quote] I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............[/quote] yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans! you could'na make it up.....oh wait!![/quote] What's that got to do with being bullied by 3 "wardens"? and goodster your grasp of the queens english is deplorable.
"Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser." Whats that all about. As I said - you clown......
daz wrote:
jimmykkk wrote: goodster wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans! you could'na make it up.....oh wait!!
What's that got to do with being bullied by 3 "wardens"? and goodster your grasp of the queens english is deplorable.
"Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser." Whats that all about. As I said - you clown......
Posted by: maddog1979, Glasgow on 2:59pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Vera Smart[/bold] wrote:
Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this.
Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong.
One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental).
I'm so glad I don't pay for it.[/quote] I would agree with this...
If we are serious about cleaning litter from the streets of Glasgow we should start with ridding the city of The Evening Times and it's gutter journalism!
Vera Smart wrote:
Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this.
Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong.
One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental).
I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
I would agree with this...
If we are serious about cleaning litter from the streets of Glasgow we should start with ridding the city of The Evening Times and it's gutter journalism!
Posted by: thefogstar, East Kilbride on 3:13pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I'm pretty shocked that the Evening Times can take such a populist and punitive view of who are just, after all ordinary people. Its easy to label groups of ordinary folk with a view to validating ourselves; it makes us feel good about ourselves. By calling them 'louts' and a 'disgrace' is so incredibly over the top it beggars belief. These people have been caught and punished for their alleged actions, and whilst low-level signal crime is important, it is not the most henious crime in the world. Why does the ET feel it necessary to further publicly humiliate ordinary people? If anything, it should be the ones who have FAILED to pay that may, only may, warrant some form of sanction. Most people have missed the point on this thread; I don't think anyone believes that littering is a good thing, but we're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut here...I think its madness, and a little sinister that people think this is the way foward...
I'm pretty shocked that the Evening Times can take such a populist and punitive view of who are just, after all ordinary people. Its easy to label groups of ordinary folk with a view to validating ourselves; it makes us feel good about ourselves. By calling them 'louts' and a 'disgrace' is so incredibly over the top it beggars belief. These people have been caught and punished for their alleged actions, and whilst low-level signal crime is important, it is not the most henious crime in the world. Why does the ET feel it necessary to further publicly humiliate ordinary people? If anything, it should be the ones who have FAILED to pay that may, only may, warrant some form of sanction. Most people have missed the point on this thread; I don't think anyone believes that littering is a good thing, but we're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut here...I think its madness, and a little sinister that people think this is the way foward...
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 3:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property?
Sorry, but it is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a [bold]disgrace[/bold] ?
The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] .
Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property?
Sorry, but it is a
disgrace when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a
disgrace ?
The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a
disgrace .
Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.
Posted by: thefogstar, East Kilbride on 3:49pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a [bold]disgrace[/bold] ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.[/quote] Big Al... (sigh)... there are other measures that can be employed without heading immediately for sabre-rattling rhetoric such as 'zero tolerance' e.g. education. You are dead right, we have to change attitudes, but public humiliation (despite having complied with an agreed punishment)is not the answer. As stated in my first argument, no-one is disputing the issue of litter being a bad thing. For the avoidance of doubt Al, let me be clear (for the third time, sigh) NOONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!! But marginalising ordinary folk (criminals to you, evidently) ain't the way forward! I'd hate to think what your answers are to people who commit more serious crime!!
Big Al wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a disgrace when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a disgrace ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a disgrace . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.
Big Al... (sigh)... there are other measures that can be employed without heading immediately for sabre-rattling rhetoric such as 'zero tolerance' e.g. education. You are dead right, we have to change attitudes, but public humiliation (despite having complied with an agreed punishment)is not the answer. As stated in my first argument, no-one is disputing the issue of litter being a bad thing. For the avoidance of doubt Al, let me be clear (for the third time, sigh) NOONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!! But marginalising ordinary folk (criminals to you, evidently) ain't the way forward! I'd hate to think what your answers are to people who commit more serious crime!!
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 3:58pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Yes fair enough name and shame those who litter our streets,But at the same time could you name and shame those these council managers responsible for providing an inadequate cleansing service.We in the cardonald area have on a regular basis have to phone and remind them that the street bins are overflowing.And is it not time we joined the 21 first century and done away with the outdated methods of cleaning our streets,we have all seen the poor guy with a black plastic bag, and a little stick trying his best
to pick rubbish go back fifty years and you would see the same thing.And these little one man 'noo-noos are not the answer there must be a more hi-tech approach to street cleaning.,
Yes fair enough name and shame those who litter our streets,But at the same time could you name and shame those these council managers responsible for providing an inadequate cleansing service.We in the cardonald area have on a regular basis have to phone and remind them that the street bins are overflowing.And is it not time we joined the 21 first century and done away with the outdated methods of cleaning our streets,we have all seen the poor guy with a black plastic bag, and a little stick trying his best
to pick rubbish go back fifty years and you would see the same thing.And these little one man 'noo-noos are not the answer there must be a more hi-tech approach to street cleaning.,
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 3:59pm Tue 11 Dec 07
"'zero tolerance' e.g. education.........NO
ONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!!"
If no-one is disputing that litter isn't a public good then what would be the purpose of any education programme?
"'zero tolerance' e.g. education.........NO
ONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!!"
If no-one is disputing that litter isn't a public good then what would be the purpose of any education programme?
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 4:00pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Is the Evening Times now the official newspaper of the Nazi party? What next -'parking thugs named and shamed'? Maybe the Times could print the religions of the victims of these stormtrooper litter wardens too - then haul them off to a concentration camp somewhere!
On a more serious note, when I see these wardens out at night, at weekends - when the city centre becomes a dumping ground for the half-eaten takeaways of thousands of 'clubbers' - or if they started clamping down on McDonald's packaging being dumped everywhere else - then I might believe this is an exercise in cleaning up, and not just another money-making 'stealth tax.' This would be bad news for the city's millions of seagulls, rats and foxes, but I would be almost impressed. However at present this is just another tax aimed at the law-abiding majority (?) as they know sending these litter wardens out at night or weekends would result in the wardens being stabbed to death, letting alone getting the fines paid, but they know they can 'clamp down' on commuters (and unsuspecting tourists) around Central Station because we will pay the fines, just like we pay our council tax, etc, unlike the majority of Glaswegians..
Is the Evening Times now the official newspaper of the Nazi party? What next -'parking thugs named and shamed'? Maybe the Times could print the religions of the victims of these stormtrooper litter wardens too - then haul them off to a concentration camp somewhere!
On a more serious note, when I see these wardens out at night, at weekends - when the city centre becomes a dumping ground for the half-eaten takeaways of thousands of 'clubbers' - or if they started clamping down on McDonald's packaging being dumped everywhere else - then I might believe this is an exercise in cleaning up, and not just another money-making 'stealth tax.' This would be bad news for the city's millions of seagulls, rats and foxes, but I would be almost impressed. However at present this is just another tax aimed at the law-abiding majority (?) as they know sending these litter wardens out at night or weekends would result in the wardens being stabbed to death, letting alone getting the fines paid, but they know they can 'clamp down' on commuters (and unsuspecting tourists) around Central Station because we will pay the fines, just like we pay our council tax, etc, unlike the majority of Glaswegians..
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:01pm Tue 11 Dec 07
When I reflect on Glasgow as it has been, it hasn't had much in the way of respect for its people (Mainly to do with a corrupt and shady political system which in turn, has brought people down and therefore lack of respect for everything has become the height of fashion amongst the people at the lower end of the social scale.
This in turn developed nasty attitudes for which a lot of people on here get enjoyment from it, as well as the Evening Times with regards to revenue creation and Glasgow City Council for collecting in the 2014 cash.
Sure I've saw people urinating and sh1ttin on the bus, about 10 years ago, I saw a guy carve up a seat on a double decker bus with his knife, ripped out the foam to pop in the excrement as to hide his rampant waste which probably consisted of Tennent's Lager and a Black Pudding Supper, I've also seen other stuff on the bus like very **** couples etc.
The place is mad, it could be a lot better but I wouldn't entirely blame the people who have had to stroll in the wilderness for so d@mn long!
For those who maybe live in the west end and well off parts, sure you will have no idea as to this kind of life and the negatives it produces - you only have to thank your wonderful, sorry [bold]BEAUTIFUL[/bold] governments in London over the past 40 years that you were brainwashed into voting as they are responsible for most of this social damage, which may now be difficult to repair!
[bold]Fcukin Middle Class hardcore B1tches - wake up and stop demoralising the people below you, you're only going to make things worse, acute poverty is rife in Scotland in 2007 - saw the book in Borders, so its official![/bold]
When I reflect on Glasgow as it has been, it hasn't had much in the way of respect for its people (Mainly to do with a corrupt and shady political system which in turn, has brought people down and therefore lack of respect for everything has become the height of fashion amongst the people at the lower end of the social scale.
This in turn developed nasty attitudes for which a lot of people on here get enjoyment from it, as well as the Evening Times with regards to revenue creation and Glasgow City Council for collecting in the 2014 cash.
Sure I've saw people urinating and sh1ttin on the bus, about 10 years ago, I saw a guy carve up a seat on a double decker bus with his knife, ripped out the foam to pop in the excrement as to hide his rampant waste which probably consisted of Tennent's Lager and a Black Pudding Supper, I've also seen other stuff on the bus like very **** couples etc.
The place is mad, it could be a lot better but I wouldn't entirely blame the people who have had to stroll in the wilderness for so d@mn long!
For those who maybe live in the west end and well off parts, sure you will have no idea as to this kind of life and the negatives it produces - you only have to thank your wonderful, sorry
BEAUTIFUL governments in London over the past 40 years that you were brainwashed into voting as they are responsible for most of this social damage, which may now be difficult to repair!
Fcukin Middle Class hardcore B1tches - wake up and stop demoralising the people below you, you're only going to make things worse, acute poverty is rife in Scotland in 2007 - saw the book in Borders, so its official!
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 4:01pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Perhaps they could name and shame drug dealers. Business would rise three fold ;)
Perhaps they could name and shame drug dealers. Business would rise three fold ;)
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:03pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Nae louts in Singapore..... The old birch helped clean the streets up .... Sore arses and didna come back...
Now I suggest birching at George Square 1pm daily until litter was a thing of the past....A widna need a mask to do it.
Deadly serious..
These lazy bu**ers don't deserve protection from the media.
Might even help Education, Education, Education...Labour failure.
Nae louts in Singapore..... The old birch helped clean the streets up .... Sore arses and didna come back...
Now I suggest birching at George Square 1pm daily until litter was a thing of the past....A widna need a mask to do it.
Deadly serious..
These lazy bu**ers don't deserve protection from the media.
Might even help Education, Education, Education...Labour failure.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 4:09pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]daz[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well. [/quote] I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............[/quote] yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans! you could'na make it up.....oh wait!![/quote] What's that got to do with being bullied by 3 "wardens"? and goodster your grasp of the queens english is deplorable. "Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser." Whats that all about. As I said - you clown......[/quote] wardens work in pairs! so her wee bit of exaggeration to the story as been her and your undoing.
laughing at you, you clown.....
jimmykkk wrote:
daz wrote: jimmykkk wrote: goodster wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans! you could'na make it up.....oh wait!!
What's that got to do with being bullied by 3 "wardens"? and goodster your grasp of the queens english is deplorable. "Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser." Whats that all about. As I said - you clown......
wardens work in pairs! so her wee bit of exaggeration to the story as been her and your undoing.
laughing at you, you clown.....
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 4:10pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Another 6332 reasons why not to waste money on this sleazy labour controlled rag.
Never mind labour corruption ,lets go for folk who drop litter accidentally [this includes kids in prams] and tar them with the same brush as those who drop litter intentionally. Typical bullying by GCC.If purcell and his cronies were not wasting money on jaunts and all the other freebies the coonsil help themselves too they would have plenty for more bins.
Then again if this bullying costs the times sales and labour votes it is a job well done by the numpties.
Another 6332 reasons why not to waste money on this sleazy labour controlled rag.
Never mind labour corruption ,lets go for folk who drop litter accidentally and tar them with the same brush as those who drop litter intentionally. Typical bullying by GCC.If purcell and his cronies were not wasting money on jaunts and all the other freebies the coonsil help themselves too they would have plenty for more bins.
Then again if this bullying costs the times sales and labour votes it is a job well done by the numpties.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:12pm Tue 11 Dec 07
This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!!
This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:14pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]thefogstar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a [bold]disgrace[/bold] ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.[/quote] Big Al... (sigh)... there are other measures that can be employed without heading immediately for sabre-rattling rhetoric such as 'zero tolerance' e.g. education. You are dead right, we have to change attitudes, but public humiliation (despite having complied with an agreed punishment)is not the answer. As stated in my first argument, no-one is disputing the issue of litter being a bad thing. For the avoidance of doubt Al, let me be clear (for the third time, sigh) NOONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!! But marginalising ordinary folk (criminals to you, evidently) ain't the way forward! I'd hate to think what your answers are to people who commit more serious crime!![/quote] Thefogstar - sorry, but don't put words in my mouth. I don't view litterbugs as criminals and I am not disputing the fact that you think that litter is [bold]not good[/bold] . However, I just don't think this is a small problem, which happens to ordinary people. It is a massive problem which costs a lot of money.
I agree that naming and shaming is slightly controversial (especially when they've paid the fine), however, at what point do you say that education is not working. Is Glasgow getting any cleaner?
The message is simple - put your rubbish in the bin.... its so simple. There are notices everywhere about it. People ignore them. Its just not that difficult, but still people chose to ignore that.
From my point of view, I've had enough! I'm fed up of seeing rubbish on the streets. We need new ideas and if the ET's naming and shaming people gets people thinking a bit more about it a bit more, then fine by me.
thefogstar wrote:
Big Al wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a disgrace when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a disgrace ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a disgrace . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.
Big Al... (sigh)... there are other measures that can be employed without heading immediately for sabre-rattling rhetoric such as 'zero tolerance' e.g. education. You are dead right, we have to change attitudes, but public humiliation (despite having complied with an agreed punishment)is not the answer. As stated in my first argument, no-one is disputing the issue of litter being a bad thing. For the avoidance of doubt Al, let me be clear (for the third time, sigh) NOONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!! But marginalising ordinary folk (criminals to you, evidently) ain't the way forward! I'd hate to think what your answers are to people who commit more serious crime!!
Thefogstar - sorry, but don't put words in my mouth. I don't view litterbugs as criminals and I am not disputing the fact that you think that litter is
not good . However, I just don't think this is a small problem, which happens to ordinary people. It is a massive problem which costs a lot of money.
I agree that naming and shaming is slightly controversial (especially when they've paid the fine), however, at what point do you say that education is not working. Is Glasgow getting any cleaner?
The message is simple - put your rubbish in the bin.... its so simple. There are notices everywhere about it. People ignore them. Its just not that difficult, but still people chose to ignore that.
From my point of view, I've had enough! I'm fed up of seeing rubbish on the streets. We need new ideas and if the ET's naming and shaming people gets people thinking a bit more about it a bit more, then fine by me.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 4:14pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Vera Smart[/bold] wrote:
Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.[/quote] This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal??
Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???
Vera Smart wrote:
Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal??
Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:18pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!![/quote] How about the voice of renfrew instead?
john wrote:
This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!!
How about the voice of renfrew instead?
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:19pm Tue 11 Dec 07
About time this happened! I am FED UP seeing people dropping litter with no regard for the rest of us in our city. Well done Glasgow on starting the ball rolling with this - you have my support!!!
About time this happened! I am FED UP seeing people dropping litter with no regard for the rest of us in our city. Well done Glasgow on starting the ball rolling with this - you have my support!!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:21pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Vera Smart[/bold] wrote: Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.[/quote] This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal?? Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???[/quote] [bold]Smoking is actually deemed as being worse than somebody out their face on smack![/bold]
[bold]That is so sad! Junkies are more socially accepted than smokers - really sad![/bold]
alexparade wrote:
Vera Smart wrote: Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal?? Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???
Smoking is actually deemed as being worse than somebody out their face on smack!
That is so sad! Junkies are more socially accepted than smokers - really sad! Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:24pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Vera Smart[/bold] wrote: Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.[/quote] This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal?? Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???[/quote] [bold]Smoking is actually deemed as being worse than somebody out their face on smack![/bold]
[bold]That is so sad! Junkies are more socially accepted than smokers - really sad![/bold] [/quote] What makes you think that?
The Missing City wrote:
alexparade wrote:
Vera Smart wrote: Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal?? Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???
Smoking is actually deemed as being worse than somebody out their face on smack!
That is so sad! Junkies are more socially accepted than smokers - really sad!
What makes you think that?
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 4:25pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a [bold]disgrace[/bold] ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.[/quote] Sorry - but that £150million a year figure is made up. A complete lie. If that was true I would expect to see 'litter wardens' patrolling in space-age nuclear-powered flying gum-removing machines, zapping the chewing gum with laser guns or something.. even if it was true, the gum companies should pay, not us taxpayers!
Remenber when the good-old Evening Times stood for 'tolerance?' When exactly did tolerance become bad, and 'zero-tolerance' become politically correct..?
ZERO TOLERANCE = BIGOTRY!!
Big Al wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a disgrace when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a disgrace ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a disgrace . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.
Sorry - but that £150million a year figure is made up. A complete lie. If that was true I would expect to see 'litter wardens' patrolling in space-age nuclear-powered flying gum-removing machines, zapping the chewing gum with laser guns or something.. even if it was true, the gum companies should pay, not us taxpayers!
Remenber when the good-old Evening Times stood for 'tolerance?' When exactly did tolerance become bad, and 'zero-tolerance' become politically correct..?
ZERO TOLERANCE = BIGOTRY!!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a [bold]disgrace[/bold] ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a [bold]disgrace[/bold] . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.[/quote] Sorry - but that £150million a year figure is made up. A complete lie. If that was true I would expect to see 'litter wardens' patrolling in space-age nuclear-powered flying gum-removing machines, zapping the chewing gum with laser guns or something.. even if it was true, the gum companies should pay, not us taxpayers!
Remenber when the good-old Evening Times stood for 'tolerance?' When exactly did tolerance become bad, and 'zero-tolerance' become politically correct..?
ZERO TOLERANCE = BIGOTRY!!
[/quote] From a 2003 article.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/2884537.st
m
"The bill for all this comes to £150m a year."
Still don't think its a big problem?
alexparade wrote:
Big Al wrote:
So what is it going to take to stop people from littering - for having a bit of respect for the country they live in? To have a bit of respect for other people's property? Sorry, but it is a disgrace when the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a disgrace ? The council has kindly provided bins for people to use, however, there are still a great number of people who don't know how to use them, chose not to, or just don't care and can't be bothered. Any of those options is a disgrace . Its also interesting that 75.8% of the ET online readers (also ordinary people) support this naming and shaming tactic.
Sorry - but that £150million a year figure is made up. A complete lie. If that was true I would expect to see 'litter wardens' patrolling in space-age nuclear-powered flying gum-removing machines, zapping the chewing gum with laser guns or something.. even if it was true, the gum companies should pay, not us taxpayers!
Remenber when the good-old Evening Times stood for 'tolerance?' When exactly did tolerance become bad, and 'zero-tolerance' become politically correct..?
ZERO TOLERANCE = BIGOTRY!!
From a 2003 article.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/2884537.st
m
"The bill for all this comes to £150m a year."
Still don't think its a big problem?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:33pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Vera Smart[/bold] wrote: Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.[/quote] This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal?? Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???[/quote] [bold]Smoking is actually deemed as being worse than somebody out their face on smack![/bold] [bold]That is so sad! Junkies are more socially accepted than smokers - really sad![/bold] [/quote] What makes you think that?[/quote] [bold]Because people who smoke are treated like scumbag criminals, or have you not seen that whereas Junkies get everythin on a plate including free methadone, or have you not seen that?
Junkies can be out their faces and nobody goes near them, smokers are continually hounded, moaned at and fined for what they do.
That is why I think Smokers and even those who intentionally or unintentionally (Wendy talk)are an easy target compared to hounding or removing Michael Jackson's Thriller![/bold]
Big Al wrote:
The Missing City wrote: alexparade wrote: Vera Smart wrote: Given that the council supplied these names - I wonder if this whole thing is in accordance with the data protection act and human rights legislation? If, not I'd laugh like a drain if GCC and the Evening Times were caught in any wrongdoing on this. Personally, I think the litter droppers have already been punished (by having to pay fines) and so this attempt at public humiliation amounts to being a second punishment. As such, it is unjust and wrong. One also has to quesion the motives of the Evening Times - is it public service or just an attempt to shift more copy? The latter methinks (any public benefit being incidental). I'm so glad I don't pay for it.
This is hardly going to sell more papers - probably less, as I for one won't be buying it any more if this is the sort of fascist crap they are going to come away with! Of course, I can't see hordes of vigilantes torching these people's houses.. but considering these people have paid the fines, is the Evening Times and GCC really sure this is legal?? Now if they named and shamed paedophiles, that really would sell a few more papers.. but of course that isn't a serious crime like dropping sweetie wrappers, is it???
Smoking is actually deemed as being worse than somebody out their face on smack! That is so sad! Junkies are more socially accepted than smokers - really sad!
What makes you think that?
Because people who smoke are treated like scumbag criminals, or have you not seen that whereas Junkies get everythin on a plate including free methadone, or have you not seen that?
Junkies can be out their faces and nobody goes near them, smokers are continually hounded, moaned at and fined for what they do.
That is why I think Smokers and even those who intentionally or unintentionally (Wendy talk)are an easy target compared to hounding or removing Michael Jackson's Thriller! Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 4:35pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Fair enough, people have been caught dropping litter, sentence has been passed, and they've had to pay £50. Why name and shame? What's next? Why don't you put the names and addresses of thieves and burglars in the paper who've already been caught and done their time? At least people would know where their stuff was, or had been...
Whilst we're at it, why don't you get the names and addresses of Council Tax, Rent, Child Support and any other "dodgers" and print them too? I'm sure people would only be too happy at beinging named and shamed, since the people who [italic][bold]HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN PUNISHED[/bold][/italic] are being further victimised.
Fair enough, people have been caught dropping litter, sentence has been passed, and they've had to pay £50. Why name and shame? What's next? Why don't you put the names and addresses of thieves and burglars in the paper who've already been caught and done their time? At least people would know where their stuff was, or had been...
Whilst we're at it, why don't you get the names and addresses of Council Tax, Rent, Child Support and any other "dodgers" and print them too? I'm sure people would only be too happy at beinging named and shamed, since the people who
HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN PUNISHED are being further victimised.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 4:38pm Tue 11 Dec 07
That £150million figure is made up. Simple as that. The fact it is on a BBC article almost proves it is a lie in itself!!
I have to say the Times is on very shaky legal ground here. In Newcastle they have a similar scheme, for non-payers of train fares, but even then [bold]they are only allowed to publish the names of people who haven't paid their fines,[/bold] not the ones who have!!
I do hope one of these people sue the Times and GCC. Have they never heard of the rehabilitation of Offenders Act? Anyway just follow my advice people - [bold]dump your litter anywhere except the vicinity of Central Station, any time except for office hours (9-5 Mon-Fri) and if you do get detained by the Hitler Youth, just don't give them your real name and address!![/bold] In fact I might just buy the Times to see how many Donald Duck's, Michael Mouse's, etc crop up on their 'shame' list..
That £150million figure is made up. Simple as that. The fact it is on a BBC article almost proves it is a lie in itself!!
I have to say the Times is on very shaky legal ground here. In Newcastle they have a similar scheme, for non-payers of train fares, but even then
they are only allowed to publish the names of people who haven't paid their fines, not the ones who have!!
I do hope one of these people sue the Times and GCC. Have they never heard of the rehabilitation of Offenders Act? Anyway just follow my advice people -
dump your litter anywhere except the vicinity of Central Station, any time except for office hours (9-5 Mon-Fri) and if you do get detained by the Hitler Youth, just don't give them your real name and address!! In fact I might just buy the Times to see how many Donald Duck's, Michael Mouse's, etc crop up on their 'shame' list..
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:40pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!![/quote] How about the voice of renfrew instead?[/quote] Here's a suggestion: Instead of spending money on litter wardens, why not recruit more police? It might make the city a safer place? Most of littering in the Toon is from drunks late at night. I don't see the litter nazi's stopping them as they might get a sore jaw!!!!
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!!
How about the voice of renfrew instead?
Here's a suggestion: Instead of spending money on litter wardens, why not recruit more police? It might make the city a safer place? Most of littering in the Toon is from drunks late at night. I don't see the litter nazi's stopping them as they might get a sore jaw!!!!
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 4:45pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Since when did the Evening Times become the Daily Mail?
I can imagine a number of people on that list are purely innocent victims of jobsworth target-driven bureaucrats. If they have any basis at all for suing the the Evening Times for privacy intrusion in this manner I hope they do so. This degree of public ridicule for someone who has received a £50 fine is completely disproportionate.
I am all for cracking down on litterbugs but this sort of press conduct is shameful.
Since when did the Evening Times become the Daily Mail?
I can imagine a number of people on that list are purely innocent victims of jobsworth target-driven bureaucrats. If they have any basis at all for suing the the Evening Times for privacy intrusion in this manner I hope they do so. This degree of public ridicule for someone who has received a £50 fine is completely disproportionate.
I am all for cracking down on litterbugs but this sort of press conduct is shameful.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:50pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
That £150million figure is made up. Simple as that. The fact it is on a BBC article almost proves it is a lie in itself!!
I have to say the Times is on very shaky legal ground here. In Newcastle they have a similar scheme, for non-payers of train fares, but even then [bold]they are only allowed to publish the names of people who haven't paid their fines,[/bold] not the ones who have!!
I do hope one of these people sue the Times and GCC. Have they never heard of the rehabilitation of Offenders Act? Anyway just follow my advice people - [bold]dump your litter anywhere except the vicinity of Central Station, any time except for office hours (9-5 Mon-Fri) and if you do get detained by the Hitler Youth, just don't give them your real name and address!![/bold] In fact I might just buy the Times to see how many Donald Duck's, Michael Mouse's, etc crop up on their 'shame' list..[/quote] Yeah good argument to avoid the £150million fact.
alexparade wrote:
That £150million figure is made up. Simple as that. The fact it is on a BBC article almost proves it is a lie in itself!!
I have to say the Times is on very shaky legal ground here. In Newcastle they have a similar scheme, for non-payers of train fares, but even then they are only allowed to publish the names of people who haven't paid their fines, not the ones who have!!
I do hope one of these people sue the Times and GCC. Have they never heard of the rehabilitation of Offenders Act? Anyway just follow my advice people - dump your litter anywhere except the vicinity of Central Station, any time except for office hours (9-5 Mon-Fri) and if you do get detained by the Hitler Youth, just don't give them your real name and address!! In fact I might just buy the Times to see how many Donald Duck's, Michael Mouse's, etc crop up on their 'shame' list..
Yeah good argument to avoid the £150million fact.
Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 4:51pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Oh, and while i remember, i take it the Evening Times didn't want to take the chance of having to publish the name of its reporter or photographer in its own paper, and that's why the photo they've used on the front page is quite clearly been compiled with photoshop? (Or something similar) [bold]*Laughs*[/bold]
Oh, and while i remember, i take it the Evening Times didn't want to take the chance of having to publish the name of its reporter or photographer in its own paper, and that's why the photo they've used on the front page is quite clearly been compiled with photoshop? (Or something similar)
*Laughs* Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 4:51pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Oh, and while i remember, i take it the Evening Times didn't want to take the chance of having to publish the name of its reporter or photographer in its own paper, and that's why the photo they've used on the front page is quite clearly been compiled with photoshop? (Or something similar) [bold]*Laughs*[/bold]
Oh, and while i remember, i take it the Evening Times didn't want to take the chance of having to publish the name of its reporter or photographer in its own paper, and that's why the photo they've used on the front page is quite clearly been compiled with photoshop? (Or something similar)
*Laughs* Posted by: zeegoman, cumbernauld on 4:54pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Its good to see that the Scottish Media haven't lost their appetite for campaigning journalism. What with major issues like adult illiteracy, drug and alcohol abuse, the scandal of childhood obesity, the lack of corporate responsibility, climate change, etc, etc, The ET has taken the avant garde in naming and shaming litter bugs. Utter Tosh!
Its good to see that the Scottish Media haven't lost their appetite for campaigning journalism. What with major issues like adult illiteracy, drug and alcohol abuse, the scandal of childhood obesity, the lack of corporate responsibility, climate change, etc, etc, The ET has taken the avant garde in naming and shaming litter bugs. Utter Tosh!
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 4:55pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:01pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]the man[/bold] wrote:
Strange newspaper this . You are allowed to post comments on this story which is of nominal importance yet the next news item the no-one can post comments . Shock horror it involves yet another attack by Eastern Europeans and involved stripping someone . Will the politically correct imbiciles please realise that hiding problems and obstructing comment allows right wing exrtremists to stoke up trouble . The evening times should allow comment on all stories whether it involves immigrants or not . Some immigrants commit crimes most dont [/quote] The times represents The labour sleaze and corruption party, they will not report or at least will not allow any comments on story's that involve labour sleaze including Broon and wendygate, they think if we cannot comment on the hypocricy of the doomed labour party then everything in the garden of self seeking incompetant labour scum will remain static.
the man wrote:
Strange newspaper this . You are allowed to post comments on this story which is of nominal importance yet the next news item the no-one can post comments . Shock horror it involves yet another attack by Eastern Europeans and involved stripping someone . Will the politically correct imbiciles please realise that hiding problems and obstructing comment allows right wing exrtremists to stoke up trouble . The evening times should allow comment on all stories whether it involves immigrants or not . Some immigrants commit crimes most dont
The times represents The labour sleaze and corruption party, they will not report or at least will not allow any comments on story's that involve labour sleaze including Broon and wendygate, they think if we cannot comment on the hypocricy of the doomed labour party then everything in the garden of self seeking incompetant labour scum will remain static.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:02pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Should be, remain stagnent.
Should be, remain stagnent.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 5:11pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]stmonan[/bold] wrote:
Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
[/quote] Good point - It just goes to show that the litter wardens are not on a financial incentive then, and they aren't just out catching people dropping a tissue by accident. It is about education and tolerance, otherwise as you quite rightly point out - you could catch and fine somebody every 15mins.
I suspect the people who they do actually fine are either fly-tippers or those who just refuse to pick up their rubbish even once warned.
stmonan wrote:
Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
Good point - It just goes to show that the litter wardens are not on a financial incentive then, and they aren't just out catching people dropping a tissue by accident. It is about education and tolerance, otherwise as you quite rightly point out - you could catch and fine somebody every 15mins.
I suspect the people who they do actually fine are either fly-tippers or those who just refuse to pick up their rubbish even once warned.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:14pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!![/quote] How about the voice of renfrew instead?[/quote] Here's a suggestion: Instead of spending money on litter wardens, why not recruit more police? It might make the city a safer place? Most of littering in the Toon is from drunks late at night. I don't see the litter nazi's stopping them as they might get a sore jaw!!!![/quote] And, a final note to Big Al: The Evening Times IS distributed in Renfrew. However, with this paper's wisdom in backing this petty minded campaign, we could do without it. Big Al, at least you cannot accuse me of voting for those braying-**** councellors. YOU DID BUDDY!!!!
john wrote:
Big Al wrote: john wrote: This is why I dont buy this paper anymore. Petty minded crap, we may be on the brink of World War III and this all you can publish!!!Names of folk who happen to drop a fag end fined by council litter nazi's? You claim to be the voice of Glasgow, well you ain't my voice, got it!!!!!!!!!
How about the voice of renfrew instead?
Here's a suggestion: Instead of spending money on litter wardens, why not recruit more police? It might make the city a safer place? Most of littering in the Toon is from drunks late at night. I don't see the litter nazi's stopping them as they might get a sore jaw!!!!
And, a final note to Big Al: The Evening Times IS distributed in Renfrew. However, with this paper's wisdom in backing this petty minded campaign, we could do without it. Big Al, at least you cannot accuse me of voting for those braying-**** councellors. YOU DID BUDDY!!!!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 5:21pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]stmonan[/bold] wrote:
Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
[/quote] Good point - It just goes to show that the litter wardens are not on a financial incentive then, and they aren't just out catching people dropping a tissue by accident. It is about education and tolerance, otherwise as you quite rightly point out - you could catch and fine somebody every 15mins.
I suspect the people who they do actually fine are either fly-tippers or those who just refuse to pick up their rubbish even once warned.
stmonan wrote:
Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
Good point - It just goes to show that the litter wardens are not on a financial incentive then, and they aren't just out catching people dropping a tissue by accident. It is about education and tolerance, otherwise as you quite rightly point out - you could catch and fine somebody every 15mins.
I suspect the people who they do actually fine are either fly-tippers or those who just refuse to pick up their rubbish even once warned.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 5:22pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Same thing here
Posted by: thefogstar, East Kilbride on 5:26pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Wallace_Arnold[/bold] wrote:
"'zero tolerance' e.g. education.........NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!!" If no-one is disputing that litter isn't a public good then what would be the purpose of any education programme?[/quote] Education lies with children. We have to make an effort to make children think about litter and the harm it does to our society. The quote you used refers to no-one on this thread believes that litter is good (perhaps my fault for not being clear). Big Al, good to see that you concede this punitive policy is controversial. I have to point out though, when I used the word 'disgrace', as quoted by the Ed @ the ET, he was of course referring to the ordinary [bold]people[/bold] of Glasgow as a 'disgrace', not the [bold]act of littering[/bold] itself. Given they have paid their penitance (or so they thought!) when they separated with their hard earned cash, they now find themselves publicly smeared (addresses, as well as names...er, why?)Call me a lefty, but referring to people as 'a disgrace' is way OTT. never let it be said that the media creates moral panics to sell newspapers and make money for shareholders...oh wait, they just did! The population getting older; by 2010, 40% of us will be over 60. What generally happens when you get older? You become less tolerant. Could it be that City Labour have acknowledged this in a flagrant attempt to win more votes? Surely not!
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
"'zero tolerance' e.g. education.........NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT LITTER IS NOT GOOD!!" If no-one is disputing that litter isn't a public good then what would be the purpose of any education programme?
Education lies with children. We have to make an effort to make children think about litter and the harm it does to our society. The quote you used refers to no-one on this thread believes that litter is good (perhaps my fault for not being clear). Big Al, good to see that you concede this punitive policy is controversial. I have to point out though, when I used the word 'disgrace', as quoted by the Ed @ the ET, he was of course referring to the ordinary
people of Glasgow as a 'disgrace', not the
act of littering itself. Given they have paid their penitance (or so they thought!) when they separated with their hard earned cash, they now find themselves publicly smeared (addresses, as well as names...er, why?)Call me a lefty, but referring to people as 'a disgrace' is way OTT. never let it be said that the media creates moral panics to sell newspapers and make money for shareholders...oh wait, they just did! The population getting older; by 2010, 40% of us will be over 60. What generally happens when you get older? You become less tolerant. Could it be that City Labour have acknowledged this in a flagrant attempt to win more votes? Surely not!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:33pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
Whoops, don't know what happened there. Let's see how long it takes them to delete it anyway. Hey Herald family of newspapers? You just lost an advertising customer.[/quote] Oh, I think they will have lost a lot more than just you Heather!!! Well done!!!
Heather wrote:
Whoops, don't know what happened there. Let's see how long it takes them to delete it anyway. Hey Herald family of newspapers? You just lost an advertising customer.
Oh, I think they will have lost a lot more than just you Heather!!! Well done!!!
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 5:48pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I think people who break the law by dropping cigarette ends in the street or out of car windows or throwing away cans or fast food wrappings should face the consequences. If those consequences including being named in the papers so be it.
I think people who break the law by dropping cigarette ends in the street or out of car windows or throwing away cans or fast food wrappings should face the consequences. If those consequences including being named in the papers so be it.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 5:51pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I think I see what's happened. People who have been out at work haven't been posting which is why all the complaints have come from idlers and foreigners and thickos and paranoid unemployables, for whom dropping litter is the fault of the Council, not the litterers.
I think I see what's happened. People who have been out at work haven't been posting which is why all the complaints have come from idlers and foreigners and thickos and paranoid unemployables, for whom dropping litter is the fault of the Council, not the litterers.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:52pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Yes Evening Times, seems there is a bit of resentment against you brewing up here!
Srious Criminals like those who smoke or drop litter are seriously being made easy targets either because yer scared of junkies, yer frightened to tackle rapists and paedophiles and you never have a bad word to say about Labour.
Very poor jornalism and it makes you no different from a rag that would be printed by Rupert Murdoch.
You better watch your readership doesn't drop like a stone.
[bold]
Pathetic![/bold]
Yes Evening Times, seems there is a bit of resentment against you brewing up here!
Srious Criminals like those who smoke or drop litter are seriously being made easy targets either because yer scared of junkies, yer frightened to tackle rapists and paedophiles and you never have a bad word to say about Labour.
Very poor jornalism and it makes you no different from a rag that would be printed by Rupert Murdoch.
You better watch your readership doesn't drop like a stone.
Pathetic! Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:53pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
I think I see what's happened. People who have been out at work haven't been posting which is why all the complaints have come from idlers and foreigners and thickos and paranoid unemployables, for whom dropping litter is the fault of the Council, not the litterers. [/quote] [bold]Is this guy on EVO STIK or whit?[/bold]
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
I think I see what's happened. People who have been out at work haven't been posting which is why all the complaints have come from idlers and foreigners and thickos and paranoid unemployables, for whom dropping litter is the fault of the Council, not the litterers.
Is this guy on EVO STIK or whit? Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:54pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]stmonan[/bold] wrote: Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least. [/quote] Good point - It just goes to show that the litter wardens are not on a financial incentive then, and they aren't just out catching people dropping a tissue by accident. It is about education and tolerance, otherwise as you quite rightly point out - you could catch and fine somebody every 15mins. I suspect the people who they do actually fine are either fly-tippers or those who just refuse to pick up their rubbish even once warned.[/quote] Incorrect. In the post office last week I was talking to a young girl (18-19 years old). She was in paying her fine for dropping one cig. end. And, oh yes, the best thing you can find in The Evening is fish and chips. Thats all its good for!!!!
Big Al wrote:
stmonan wrote: Those obsessed with the financial cost of this may wish to ask why we have 32 litter wardens who appear to manage an average of one penalty notice per working day? I do not agree with this petty zero-tolerance stuff but were I walking the streets of Glasgow I suspect I could manage one every 15 minutes, at least.
Good point - It just goes to show that the litter wardens are not on a financial incentive then, and they aren't just out catching people dropping a tissue by accident. It is about education and tolerance, otherwise as you quite rightly point out - you could catch and fine somebody every 15mins. I suspect the people who they do actually fine are either fly-tippers or those who just refuse to pick up their rubbish even once warned.
Incorrect. In the post office last week I was talking to a young girl (18-19 years old). She was in paying her fine for dropping one cig. end. And, oh yes, the best thing you can find in The Evening is fish and chips. Thats all its good for!!!!
Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 5:55pm Tue 11 Dec 07
To print peoples names fair enough but to give address to is asking for all those people to have there ID stolen. Identity theves will love gettin hands on that info. As a name an address is all they need in most circumstances.
To print peoples names fair enough but to give address to is asking for all those people to have there ID stolen. Identity theves will love gettin hands on that info. As a name an address is all they need in most circumstances.
Posted by: gus555, Edinburgh on 5:56pm Tue 11 Dec 07
The point is not whether littering is wrong - we all agree that it is. The issues I can see are:
Should the council in conjunction with the local paper be allowed to list on-mass on a summary conviction / fine ?
Anyone who has ever wrongly had a parking ticket will know how difficult it is to challenge these types of fines and often it is not worth the cost or effort.
Unlawfully parking can be dangerous so why not publish a list of names and address of everyone who has ever had a parking fine?
I am not a lawyer however I do think that the Data Protection Act has been breached here. (And if it hasn't then what use is it ?). Perhaps the names and addresses of all who allowed this to go ahead should be published :-)
I agree there is little chance of the information being used but it is the principal here that is important - if you accept this then accept mass publication of any details as the local council and paper see fit..
The point is not whether littering is wrong - we all agree that it is. The issues I can see are:
Should the council in conjunction with the local paper be allowed to list on-mass on a summary conviction / fine ?
Anyone who has ever wrongly had a parking ticket will know how difficult it is to challenge these types of fines and often it is not worth the cost or effort.
Unlawfully parking can be dangerous so why not publish a list of names and address of everyone who has ever had a parking fine?
I am not a lawyer however I do think that the Data Protection Act has been breached here. (And if it hasn't then what use is it ?). Perhaps the names and addresses of all who allowed this to go ahead should be published :-)
I agree there is little chance of the information being used but it is the principal here that is important - if you accept this then accept mass publication of any details as the local council and paper see fit..
Posted by: greenwood, Glasgow on 5:59pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Its good that people are fined for dropping litter, no need to name and shame, however if the council are serious about clamping down on litter louts they should send all there wardens to Cesspit, sorry Cessnock, I see the same people dumping there household waste on a daily basis (on a stretch of the Paisley Rd West), the nearest lamppost or tree seems to be preferred to the bins in the back court. The council fixed some signs in 2003, a few moths ago the Evening Times did an article on the problem, shortly afterwards the council fixed bigger signs. Oh and another thing, most of the fly tipping is done within 200 metres of one of those cameras that they tell us is there to fight crime. I’d say it’s a dereliction of duty. Video & photos will shortly be posted on you tube.
Its good that people are fined for dropping litter, no need to name and shame, however if the council are serious about clamping down on litter louts they should send all there wardens to Cesspit, sorry Cessnock, I see the same people dumping there household waste on a daily basis (on a stretch of the Paisley Rd West), the nearest lamppost or tree seems to be preferred to the bins in the back court. The council fixed some signs in 2003, a few moths ago the Evening Times did an article on the problem, shortly afterwards the council fixed bigger signs. Oh and another thing, most of the fly tipping is done within 200 metres of one of those cameras that they tell us is there to fight crime. I’d say it’s a dereliction of duty. Video & photos will shortly be posted on you tube.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:06pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
I think I see what's happened. People who have been out at work haven't been posting which is why all the complaints have come from idlers and foreigners and thickos and paranoid unemployables, for whom dropping litter is the fault of the Council, not the litterers. [/quote] Does that include you pal?
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
I think I see what's happened. People who have been out at work haven't been posting which is why all the complaints have come from idlers and foreigners and thickos and paranoid unemployables, for whom dropping litter is the fault of the Council, not the litterers.
Does that include you pal?
Posted by: mick keating, germany on 6:09pm Tue 11 Dec 07
wot a load of b*****ks some of u people write when u make comments to stories in the press. Maybe the Times shouldn't print the offenders names and addresses,maybe they shouldn't be allowed or maybe one of those offenders might take them to the European Court of Human Rights either way its all nonsense.To the guy who commented "thats why i dont buy this paper" then why are u reading it the then...u pillock. As for fag ends being dropped in the street...ok put them in a bin still alight and burn the city down...wot else are they supposed to do ? Maybe the City Council will distribute millions of ashtrays all round the city of Glasgow.
wot a load of b*****ks some of u people write when u make comments to stories in the press. Maybe the Times shouldn't print the offenders names and addresses,maybe they shouldn't be allowed or maybe one of those offenders might take them to the European Court of Human Rights either way its all nonsense.To the guy who commented "thats why i dont buy this paper" then why are u reading it the then...u pillock. As for fag ends being dropped in the street...ok put them in a bin still alight and burn the city down...wot else are they supposed to do ? Maybe the City Council will distribute millions of ashtrays all round the city of Glasgow.
Posted by: chedwardall, glasgow on 6:16pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Perhaps they would also like to name and shame the distributors of the free Glaswegian newspaper who every week throw piles of newpapers outsice common closes where they end up all over the streets.
Perhaps they would also like to name and shame the distributors of the free Glaswegian newspaper who every week throw piles of newpapers outsice common closes where they end up all over the streets.
Posted by: goodster, London on 6:20pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]daz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]daz[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well. [/quote] I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............[/quote] yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans! you could'na make it up.....oh wait!![/quote] What's that got to do with being bullied by 3 "wardens"? and goodster your grasp of the queens english is deplorable. "Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser." Whats that all about. As I said - you clown......[/quote] wardens work in pairs! so her wee bit of exaggeration to the story as been her and your undoing. laughing at you, you clown.....[/quote] Couldnt agree more with you Daz. It seems some folk are quick to back the offenders (numpty jimmy kkk)....probably perpetrating the crime as well. Birds of a feather and all that.
What a wet squib...."oh she dropped a hanky blah blah blah"
daz wrote:
jimmykkk wrote: daz wrote: jimmykkk wrote: goodster wrote: I agree with the printing of names and addresses. Tough tittie to the offenders. they won't show such disregard for their country next time. I bet their homes resemble land-fill as well.
I know someone who dropped a paper hankerchief accidently whilst getting her car keys out of her pocket. She was pulled over by 3 "wardens". She was afraid and their attitude stank. She was given a slip and had to pay £50. She lives in bearsden. Her house is worth 3/4 of a million pounds and does in no way ressemble landfill. You clown............
yeah and her great great grandfather was sent off to oz for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starvin weans! you could'na make it up.....oh wait!!
What's that got to do with being bullied by 3 "wardens"? and goodster your grasp of the queens english is deplorable. "Get a life you kept in the cupboard loser." Whats that all about. As I said - you clown......
wardens work in pairs! so her wee bit of exaggeration to the story as been her and your undoing. laughing at you, you clown.....
Couldnt agree more with you Daz. It seems some folk are quick to back the offenders (numpty jimmy kkk)....probably perpetrating the crime as well. Birds of a feather and all that.
What a wet squib...."oh she dropped a hanky blah blah blah"
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:21pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Herr M.keaton.
Reading and posting on this site is free,
which means you DO NOT HAVE TO BUY IT to actualy see the dross it prints.
Pillock.
Herr M.keaton.
Reading and posting on this site is free,
which means you DO NOT HAVE TO BUY IT to actualy see the dross it prints.
Pillock.
Posted by: luskentyre, Caithness on 6:26pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I'm all for naming and shaming. Fining people obviously isn't enough.
As for the legitimacy of printing peoples addresses - it's hardly restricted information (so all this talk of ID theft is nonsense). I dare that won't stop some bleating about their "human rights" though...
I'm all for naming and shaming. Fining people obviously isn't enough.
As for the legitimacy of printing peoples addresses - it's hardly restricted information (so all this talk of ID theft is nonsense). I dare that won't stop some bleating about their "human rights" though...
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:30pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]mick keating[/bold] wrote:
wot a load of b*****ks some of u people write when u make comments to stories in the press. Maybe the Times shouldn't print the offenders names and addresses,maybe they shouldn't be allowed or maybe one of those offenders might take them to the European Court of Human Rights either way its all nonsense.To the guy who commented "thats why i dont buy this paper" then why are u reading it the then...u pillock. As for fag ends being dropped in the street...ok put them in a bin still alight and burn the city down...wot else are they supposed to do ? Maybe the City Council will distribute millions of ashtrays all round the city of Glasgow.[/quote] Mick, have you heard of the invention, its called a 'news stand'. This is their front page!!!! The crap that they have printed is an insult to the People of Scotland. I take it you're a sassenach?
mick keating wrote:
wot a load of b*****ks some of u people write when u make comments to stories in the press. Maybe the Times shouldn't print the offenders names and addresses,maybe they shouldn't be allowed or maybe one of those offenders might take them to the European Court of Human Rights either way its all nonsense.To the guy who commented "thats why i dont buy this paper" then why are u reading it the then...u pillock. As for fag ends being dropped in the street...ok put them in a bin still alight and burn the city down...wot else are they supposed to do ? Maybe the City Council will distribute millions of ashtrays all round the city of Glasgow.
Mick, have you heard of the invention, its called a 'news stand'. This is their front page!!!! The crap that they have printed is an insult to the People of Scotland. I take it you're a sassenach?
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:31pm Tue 11 Dec 07
The reasons given why the paper shouldn't publish the names and addresses of people who have admitted committing a criminal offence are entertaining to read. According to those with little better to do during the day the press shouldn't publish details of these criminals because -
- it'll lead to public executions and people's identities being stolen,
- the ET doesn't print personal information on its staff so why print details of crims,
- some Eastern Europeans may commit crimes,
- it's political correctness gone mad,
- it might upset people from Bearsden,
- it might breach the provisions of the Data Protection Act (it doesn't),
- it might breach the provisions of the Human Rights Act (it doesn't),
- it's an invasion of privacy to report that people have paid a fine for breaking a law and they will sue for breach of privacy, just you watch out,
- the criminals being named are nice people really,
- punishment doesn't work, education does (as can be seen from the experience of the past fifty years),
- the Evening Times is now the official newspaper of the Nazi party,
- it's all a money making exercise by the Council (whose fault it all is),
- this is just another tax aimed at the law-abiding majority (when they stop abiding laws are they still law abiding?),
- I saw something nasty in the woodshed,
- everyone who drops litter is innocent victims of the hitler youth,
- you shouldn't name these people because of peedafiles, drug dealers, chewing gum, the council tax non-payers, poverty, middle class b1tches in the West End, adult illiteracy, drug and alcohol abuse, school windows get broken, the scandal of childhood obesity, there are more serious criminals, the lack of corporate responsibility, climate change, etc, etc.
- it's all the fault of the Council managers, the Labour Party, Steven Purcell… it's all the fault of anyone else but me that people drop litter.
Well that's me convinced.
The reasons given why the paper shouldn't publish the names and addresses of people who have admitted committing a criminal offence are entertaining to read. According to those with little better to do during the day the press shouldn't publish details of these criminals because -
- it'll lead to public executions and people's identities being stolen,
- the ET doesn't print personal information on its staff so why print details of crims,
- some Eastern Europeans may commit crimes,
- it's political correctness gone mad,
- it might upset people from Bearsden,
- it might breach the provisions of the Data Protection Act (it doesn't),
- it might breach the provisions of the Human Rights Act (it doesn't),
- it's an invasion of privacy to report that people have paid a fine for breaking a law and they will sue for breach of privacy, just you watch out,
- the criminals being named are nice people really,
- punishment doesn't work, education does (as can be seen from the experience of the past fifty years),
- the Evening Times is now the official newspaper of the Nazi party,
- it's all a money making exercise by the Council (whose fault it all is),
- this is just another tax aimed at the law-abiding majority (when they stop abiding laws are they still law abiding?),
- I saw something nasty in the woodshed,
- everyone who drops litter is innocent victims of the hitler youth,
- you shouldn't name these people because of peedafiles, drug dealers, chewing gum, the council tax non-payers, poverty, middle class b1tches in the West End, adult illiteracy, drug and alcohol abuse, school windows get broken, the scandal of childhood obesity, there are more serious criminals, the lack of corporate responsibility, climate change, etc, etc.
- it's all the fault of the Council managers, the Labour Party, Steven Purcell… it's all the fault of anyone else but me that people drop litter.
Well that's me convinced.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:34pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Never mind, once we get our freedom from the evil imperialist oppressor and are a nation once again the scourge of litter will be a thing of the past in our wee bit hill an' glen.
Fought an' died for!
Never mind, once we get our freedom from the evil imperialist oppressor and are a nation once again the scourge of litter will be a thing of the past in our wee bit hill an' glen.
Fought an' died for!
Posted by: AshleyM, Ayrshire on 6:49pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Its absolutly shocking, i got fined a few weeks ago when i was coming out a shop with loads of bags and my receipt flew out my hand when i was trying to put it in my purse, before i knew it it had blew away in the wind and i had 2 guys over giving me a fine, i tryed to object only to get told shut my mouth, now i think you should start looking at these wardens walking about doing stuff like that before you start jumping to conclusions.
Its absolutly shocking, i got fined a few weeks ago when i was coming out a shop with loads of bags and my receipt flew out my hand when i was trying to put it in my purse, before i knew it it had blew away in the wind and i had 2 guys over giving me a fine, i tryed to object only to get told shut my mouth, now i think you should start looking at these wardens walking about doing stuff like that before you start jumping to conclusions.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:50pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
The reasons given why the paper shouldn't publish the names and addresses of people who have admitted committing a criminal offence are entertaining to read. According to those with little better to do during the day the press shouldn't publish details of these criminals because - - it'll lead to public executions and people's identities being stolen, - the ET doesn't print personal information on its staff so why print details of crims, - some Eastern Europeans may commit crimes, - it's political correctness gone mad, - it might upset people from Bearsden, - it might breach the provisions of the Data Protection Act (it doesn't), - it might breach the provisions of the Human Rights Act (it doesn't), - it's an invasion of privacy to report that people have paid a fine for breaking a law and they will sue for breach of privacy, just you watch out, - the criminals being named are nice people really, - punishment doesn't work, education does (as can be seen from the experience of the past fifty years), - the Evening Times is now the official newspaper of the Nazi party, - it's all a money making exercise by the Council (whose fault it all is), - this is just another tax aimed at the law-abiding majority (when they stop abiding laws are they still law abiding?), - I saw something nasty in the woodshed, - everyone who drops litter is innocent victims of the hitler youth, - you shouldn't name these people because of peedafiles, drug dealers, chewing gum, the council tax non-payers, poverty, middle class b1tches in the West End, adult illiteracy, drug and alcohol abuse, school windows get broken, the scandal of childhood obesity, there are more serious criminals, the lack of corporate responsibility, climate change, etc, etc. - it's all the fault of the Council managers, the Labour Party, Steven Purcell… it's all the fault of anyone else but me that people drop litter. Well that's me convinced. [/quote] Is not fantastic that we have such a crusading newspaper as The Evening Times? That applaudes these petty policies. All to catch daft wee lassies dropping a fag end in the street? And yet it isnt safe for decent to walk these streets at night. How many policer officers would this have paid for??? Shame on you evening times!!!!!
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
The reasons given why the paper shouldn't publish the names and addresses of people who have admitted committing a criminal offence are entertaining to read. According to those with little better to do during the day the press shouldn't publish details of these criminals because - - it'll lead to public executions and people's identities being stolen, - the ET doesn't print personal information on its staff so why print details of crims, - some Eastern Europeans may commit crimes, - it's political correctness gone mad, - it might upset people from Bearsden, - it might breach the provisions of the Data Protection Act (it doesn't), - it might breach the provisions of the Human Rights Act (it doesn't), - it's an invasion of privacy to report that people have paid a fine for breaking a law and they will sue for breach of privacy, just you watch out, - the criminals being named are nice people really, - punishment doesn't work, education does (as can be seen from the experience of the past fifty years), - the Evening Times is now the official newspaper of the Nazi party, - it's all a money making exercise by the Council (whose fault it all is), - this is just another tax aimed at the law-abiding majority (when they stop abiding laws are they still law abiding?), - I saw something nasty in the woodshed, - everyone who drops litter is innocent victims of the hitler youth, - you shouldn't name these people because of peedafiles, drug dealers, chewing gum, the council tax non-payers, poverty, middle class b1tches in the West End, adult illiteracy, drug and alcohol abuse, school windows get broken, the scandal of childhood obesity, there are more serious criminals, the lack of corporate responsibility, climate change, etc, etc. - it's all the fault of the Council managers, the Labour Party, Steven Purcell… it's all the fault of anyone else but me that people drop litter. Well that's me convinced.
Is not fantastic that we have such a crusading newspaper as The Evening Times? That applaudes these petty policies. All to catch daft wee lassies dropping a fag end in the street? And yet it isnt safe for decent to walk these streets at night. How many policer officers would this have paid for??? Shame on you evening times!!!!!
Posted by: mick keating, germany on 7:03pm Tue 11 Dec 07
TO JOHN OF RENFREW...no i'm not a sassenach i'm Glasgow born and bred i just happen to live in Germany cos its much cleaner and better way of life unlike the dump u probably live in
TO JOHN OF RENFREW...no i'm not a sassenach i'm Glasgow born and bred i just happen to live in Germany cos its much cleaner and better way of life unlike the dump u probably live in
Posted by: mick keating, germany on 7:06pm Tue 11 Dec 07
TO JOHN OF RENFREW...no i'm not a sassenach i'm Glasgow born and bred i just happen to live in Germany cos its much cleaner and better way of life unlike the dump u probably live in
TO JOHN OF RENFREW...no i'm not a sassenach i'm Glasgow born and bred i just happen to live in Germany cos its much cleaner and better way of life unlike the dump u probably live in
Posted by: Mikeyd, Los Angeles on 7:13pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
When I reflect on Glasgow as it has been, it hasn't had much in the way of respect for its people (Mainly to do with a corrupt and shady political system which in turn, has brought people down and therefore lack of respect for everything has become the height of fashion amongst the people at the lower end of the social scale. This in turn developed nasty attitudes for which a lot of people on here get enjoyment from it, as well as the Evening Times with regards to revenue creation and Glasgow City Council for collecting in the 2014 cash. Sure I've saw people urinating and sh1ttin on the bus, about 10 years ago, I saw a guy carve up a seat on a double decker bus with his knife, ripped out the foam to pop in the excrement as to hide his rampant waste which probably consisted of Tennent's Lager and a Black Pudding Supper, I've also seen other stuff on the bus like very **** couples etc. The place is mad, it could be a lot better but I wouldn't entirely blame the people who have had to stroll in the wilderness for so d@mn long! For those who maybe live in the west end and well off parts, sure you will have no idea as to this kind of life and the negatives it produces - you only have to thank your wonderful, sorry [bold]BEAUTIFUL[/bold] governments in London over the past 40 years that you were brainwashed into voting as they are responsible for most of this social damage, which may now be difficult to repair! [bold]Fcukin Middle Class hardcore B1tches - wake up and stop demoralising the people below you, you're only going to make things worse, acute poverty is rife in Scotland in 2007 - saw the book in Borders, so its official![/bold] [/quote] Good job!!!! Say's it all, tha's why I got the fcuck out.
The Missing City wrote:
When I reflect on Glasgow as it has been, it hasn't had much in the way of respect for its people (Mainly to do with a corrupt and shady political system which in turn, has brought people down and therefore lack of respect for everything has become the height of fashion amongst the people at the lower end of the social scale. This in turn developed nasty attitudes for which a lot of people on here get enjoyment from it, as well as the Evening Times with regards to revenue creation and Glasgow City Council for collecting in the 2014 cash. Sure I've saw people urinating and sh1ttin on the bus, about 10 years ago, I saw a guy carve up a seat on a double decker bus with his knife, ripped out the foam to pop in the excrement as to hide his rampant waste which probably consisted of Tennent's Lager and a Black Pudding Supper, I've also seen other stuff on the bus like very **** couples etc. The place is mad, it could be a lot better but I wouldn't entirely blame the people who have had to stroll in the wilderness for so d@mn long! For those who maybe live in the west end and well off parts, sure you will have no idea as to this kind of life and the negatives it produces - you only have to thank your wonderful, sorry BEAUTIFUL governments in London over the past 40 years that you were brainwashed into voting as they are responsible for most of this social damage, which may now be difficult to repair! Fcukin Middle Class hardcore B1tches - wake up and stop demoralising the people below you, you're only going to make things worse, acute poverty is rife in Scotland in 2007 - saw the book in Borders, so its official!
Good job!!!! Say's it all, tha's why I got the fcuck out.
Posted by: Bongo, Glasgow on 7:16pm Tue 11 Dec 07
What if there is a perfectly law abiding female citizen who happens to be in hiding from an abusive spouse? And her only crime is to throw a cigarette end away? You have just created a huge threat to her life.
Also; bank's, possible future employers and other organisations WILL use this information to 'Blacklist' people. FACT!
What happens if it is YOU next? how far do we go down this road before ALL your freedoms are taken? (And I mean 'ALL').
We are living in dangerous times, but it is the government controlled media who are our greatest threat. People need to wake up and realise that all your mainstream media is controlled by a few powerful and rich corporations who also have political and big business interests. All this is is another attack on the 'wee guy'.
This act by Steve Purnell, GCC and the Evening Times is absolutely illegal and I await the law suits. Failure for this to materialise, as already stated, 'is extremely dangerous and will set a worrying precedent'
Also, If I see an evening times newspaper littering the street, I will be reporting it to the wardens as belonging to the Evening Times and demand a fine be issued.
What if there is a perfectly law abiding female citizen who happens to be in hiding from an abusive spouse? And her only crime is to throw a cigarette end away? You have just created a huge threat to her life.
Also; bank's, possible future employers and other organisations WILL use this information to 'Blacklist' people. FACT!
What happens if it is YOU next? how far do we go down this road before ALL your freedoms are taken? (And I mean 'ALL').
We are living in dangerous times, but it is the government controlled media who are our greatest threat. People need to wake up and realise that all your mainstream media is controlled by a few powerful and rich corporations who also have political and big business interests. All this is is another attack on the 'wee guy'.
This act by Steve Purnell, GCC and the Evening Times is absolutely illegal and I await the law suits. Failure for this to materialise, as already stated, 'is extremely dangerous and will set a worrying precedent'
Also, If I see an evening times newspaper littering the street, I will be reporting it to the wardens as belonging to the Evening Times and demand a fine be issued.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 7:19pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]mick keating[/bold] wrote:
TO JOHN OF RENFREW...no i'm not a sassenach i'm Glasgow born and bred i just happen to live in Germany cos its much cleaner and better way of life unlike the dump u probably live in[/quote] Apparantly, Mick you have enough intelligence to get out of your own dump. Unfortunately though you do not have the prerequisite half a brain to recognise humbug when you see it!!!!
mick keating wrote:
TO JOHN OF RENFREW...no i'm not a sassenach i'm Glasgow born and bred i just happen to live in Germany cos its much cleaner and better way of life unlike the dump u probably live in
Apparantly, Mick you have enough intelligence to get out of your own dump. Unfortunately though you do not have the prerequisite half a brain to recognise humbug when you see it!!!!
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:20pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Ex-labour voter, add to the excuses I listed above your personal excuse that you shouldn't have to face the consequences of your criminal actions because you have qualms about the private life of a minor politician. That Donald Findlay QC should pay attention, he really should, he'd pick up some great jurisprudential tips here.
John of Renfrew, you can add that crimninals ahould not have to face the consequences of their criminal actions because they may be daft and lassies. But most criminals are daft, which is why they do crimes, and some will inevitably be lassies. Not much of an excuse.
AshleyM, you should get away with it because of the wind and because maybe one of the wardens was a bit rude to you. I don't really believe that he or she told you to shut your mouth. I think you're lying about that, and given what the law on litter actually says I don't believe the rest of your wee story of oppression under the jackboot of Glasgow City Council Department of Land Services. You're a self-confessed criminal, so you're probably prone to dishonesty. Probably better to stay in Ayrshire where the dead hand of fascism has not yet reached.
Ex-labour voter, add to the excuses I listed above your personal excuse that you shouldn't have to face the consequences of your criminal actions because you have qualms about the private life of a minor politician. That Donald Findlay QC should pay attention, he really should, he'd pick up some great jurisprudential tips here.
John of Renfrew, you can add that crimninals ahould not have to face the consequences of their criminal actions because they may be daft and lassies. But most criminals are daft, which is why they do crimes, and some will inevitably be lassies. Not much of an excuse.
AshleyM, you should get away with it because of the wind and because maybe one of the wardens was a bit rude to you. I don't really believe that he or she told you to shut your mouth. I think you're lying about that, and given what the law on litter actually says I don't believe the rest of your wee story of oppression under the jackboot of Glasgow City Council Department of Land Services. You're a self-confessed criminal, so you're probably prone to dishonesty. Probably better to stay in Ayrshire where the dead hand of fascism has not yet reached.
Posted by: Bongo, Glasgow on 7:25pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Ps. Purcell heads a Labour run council. And we all know wee Wendy Alexander is a criminal who believes that laws do not apply to her (illegal 950 quid donation anyone?).
Why not provide Wee Wendy's home address in this Labour rag then? or... how about Purcell's address, when GCC are convicted via the Data Protection Act.
The quicker we get Labour completely out of power (including in the council seats), the less damage they can do to Glasgow and Scotland.
Ps. Purcell heads a Labour run council. And we all know wee Wendy Alexander is a criminal who believes that laws do not apply to her (illegal 950 quid donation anyone?).
Why not provide Wee Wendy's home address in this Labour rag then? or... how about Purcell's address, when GCC are convicted via the Data Protection Act.
The quicker we get Labour completely out of power (including in the council seats), the less damage they can do to Glasgow and Scotland.
Posted by: Mikeyd, Los Angeles on 7:26pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Bongo[/bold] wrote:
What if there is a perfectly law abiding female citizen who happens to be in hiding from an abusive spouse? And her only crime is to throw a cigarette end away? You have just created a huge threat to her life. Also; bank's, possible future employers and other organisations WILL use this information to 'Blacklist' people. FACT! What happens if it is YOU next? how far do we go down this road before ALL your freedoms are taken? (And I mean 'ALL'). We are living in dangerous times, but it is the government controlled media who are our greatest threat. People need to wake up and realise that all your mainstream media is controlled by a few powerful and rich corporations who also have political and big business interests. All this is is another attack on the 'wee guy'. This act by Steve Purnell, GCC and the Evening Times is absolutely illegal and I await the law suits. Failure for this to materialise, as already stated, 'is extremely dangerous and will set a worrying precedent' Also, If I see an evening times newspaper littering the street, I will be reporting it to the wardens as belonging to the Evening Times and demand a fine be issued.[/quote] Don't throw the cigarette end away.
Bongo wrote:
What if there is a perfectly law abiding female citizen who happens to be in hiding from an abusive spouse? And her only crime is to throw a cigarette end away? You have just created a huge threat to her life. Also; bank's, possible future employers and other organisations WILL use this information to 'Blacklist' people. FACT! What happens if it is YOU next? how far do we go down this road before ALL your freedoms are taken? (And I mean 'ALL'). We are living in dangerous times, but it is the government controlled media who are our greatest threat. People need to wake up and realise that all your mainstream media is controlled by a few powerful and rich corporations who also have political and big business interests. All this is is another attack on the 'wee guy'. This act by Steve Purnell, GCC and the Evening Times is absolutely illegal and I await the law suits. Failure for this to materialise, as already stated, 'is extremely dangerous and will set a worrying precedent' Also, If I see an evening times newspaper littering the street, I will be reporting it to the wardens as belonging to the Evening Times and demand a fine be issued.
Don't throw the cigarette end away.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Bongo, how can you be a perfectly law abiding female citizen who commits a crime? Surely that would make you an imperfectly law abiding female citizen?
And should perfectly or imperfectly law abiding female citizens who happen to be in hiding from an abusive spouse be exempt from being named in the papers for all crimes?
Supposing she commits arson? Supposing she spray paints a wall? What if she shoots a grouse outwith the recognised hunting season? Should she be exempt from being named if, for talking's sake, she contrived to defraud the National Horse Race Board, or contrived to extract money from an insurance company by falsely claiming insurance funds for a husband who had not as had been claimed died in a boating accident and flown to a central American republic?
There are wider ramifications here, and I don't think you've fully thought this through, Bongo.
Bongo, how can you be a perfectly law abiding female citizen who commits a crime? Surely that would make you an imperfectly law abiding female citizen?
And should perfectly or imperfectly law abiding female citizens who happen to be in hiding from an abusive spouse be exempt from being named in the papers for all crimes?
Supposing she commits arson? Supposing she spray paints a wall? What if she shoots a grouse outwith the recognised hunting season? Should she be exempt from being named if, for talking's sake, she contrived to defraud the National Horse Race Board, or contrived to extract money from an insurance company by falsely claiming insurance funds for a husband who had not as had been claimed died in a boating accident and flown to a central American republic?
There are wider ramifications here, and I don't think you've fully thought this through, Bongo.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 7:30pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Johnny Punchclock.
I take it you fancy Purcell and you are a fully paid up member of the labour sleaze and corruption party. Do you get paid for trolling these sites whilst trying to defend the indefensible.
There are some really sad gits out there.
Johnny Punchclock.
I take it you fancy Purcell and you are a fully paid up member of the labour sleaze and corruption party. Do you get paid for trolling these sites whilst trying to defend the indefensible.
There are some really sad gits out there.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:34pm Tue 11 Dec 07
ex-labour voter, are you calling me a poof?
If that is the extent of your politics then the SNP will certainly be glad of your support.
ex-labour voter, are you calling me a poof?
If that is the extent of your politics then the SNP will certainly be glad of your support.
Posted by: bipod, glasgow on 7:38pm Tue 11 Dec 07
"[bold]In total, wardens have issued 6332 fines and the payment rate is 60%. Those who do not pay are reported to the procurator fiscal and face being dragged into court to cough up."[/bold]
Doesnt anyone else think that the Procurator Fiscal have nothing better to do than drag people through the courts for this ?
Maybe the council would be better spending the money on training these so called wardens better because their practises are very suspect indeed and if they take someone to court for non payment they will easily get thrown out of court.
"
In total, wardens have issued 6332 fines and the payment rate is 60%. Those who do not pay are reported to the procurator fiscal and face being dragged into court to cough up."
Doesnt anyone else think that the Procurator Fiscal have nothing better to do than drag people through the courts for this ?
Maybe the council would be better spending the money on training these so called wardens better because their practises are very suspect indeed and if they take someone to court for non payment they will easily get thrown out of court.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 7:39pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Bongo[/bold] wrote:
Ps. Purcell heads a Labour run council. And we all know wee Wendy Alexander is a criminal who believes that laws do not apply to her (illegal 950 quid donation anyone?). Why not provide Wee Wendy's home address in this Labour rag then? or... how about Purcell's address, when GCC are convicted via the Data Protection Act. The quicker we get Labour completely out of power (including in the council seats), the less damage they can do to Glasgow and Scotland.[/quote] Well said.
The senile vote in which labour in Glasgow relies upon is dissapearing fast, so it should not take too much longer to rid Glasgow and Scotland of the selfseeking, incompetant ,corrupt, lying labour mob.
Bongo wrote:
Ps. Purcell heads a Labour run council. And we all know wee Wendy Alexander is a criminal who believes that laws do not apply to her (illegal 950 quid donation anyone?). Why not provide Wee Wendy's home address in this Labour rag then? or... how about Purcell's address, when GCC are convicted via the Data Protection Act. The quicker we get Labour completely out of power (including in the council seats), the less damage they can do to Glasgow and Scotland.
Well said.
The senile vote in which labour in Glasgow relies upon is dissapearing fast, so it should not take too much longer to rid Glasgow and Scotland of the selfseeking, incompetant ,corrupt, lying labour mob.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:41pm Tue 11 Dec 07
So you do believe that litter won't be a problem if the SNP gets its way!
Fought an' died for!
So you do believe that litter won't be a problem if the SNP gets its way!
Fought an' died for!
Posted by: AshleyM, Stewarton on 7:43pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
Ex-labour voter, add to the excuses I listed above your personal excuse that you shouldn't have to face the consequences of your criminal actions because you have qualms about the private life of a minor politician. That Donald Findlay QC should pay attention, he really should, he'd pick up some great jurisprudential tips here. John of Renfrew, you can add that crimninals ahould not have to face the consequences of their criminal actions because they may be daft and lassies. But most criminals are daft, which is why they do crimes, and some will inevitably be lassies. Not much of an excuse. AshleyM, you should get away with it because of the wind and because maybe one of the wardens was a bit rude to you. I don't really believe that he or she told you to shut your mouth. I think you're lying about that, and given what the law on litter actually says I don't believe the rest of your wee story of oppression under the jackboot of Glasgow City Council Department of Land Services. You're a self-confessed criminal, so you're probably prone to dishonesty. Probably better to stay in Ayrshire where the dead hand of fascism has not yet reached.[/quote] Doesnt matter one bit if you dont believe me, but if the shoe was on the other foot am sure you would be the first to complain. End of the day I didnt do anything wrong, i go home at the end of each day with my pockets filled with rubbish cos i hate throwing stuff away, i always put my cig ends in the bins provided, ive worked every sigle day of my adult life and i pay my taxes, something like this happens which yeah i`m gonna say wasnt my fault and suddely I`m seen as a criminal.
I buy an evening times everyday after work, but i certainly wont be now.
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Ex-labour voter, add to the excuses I listed above your personal excuse that you shouldn't have to face the consequences of your criminal actions because you have qualms about the private life of a minor politician. That Donald Findlay QC should pay attention, he really should, he'd pick up some great jurisprudential tips here. John of Renfrew, you can add that crimninals ahould not have to face the consequences of their criminal actions because they may be daft and lassies. But most criminals are daft, which is why they do crimes, and some will inevitably be lassies. Not much of an excuse. AshleyM, you should get away with it because of the wind and because maybe one of the wardens was a bit rude to you. I don't really believe that he or she told you to shut your mouth. I think you're lying about that, and given what the law on litter actually says I don't believe the rest of your wee story of oppression under the jackboot of Glasgow City Council Department of Land Services. You're a self-confessed criminal, so you're probably prone to dishonesty. Probably better to stay in Ayrshire where the dead hand of fascism has not yet reached.
Doesnt matter one bit if you dont believe me, but if the shoe was on the other foot am sure you would be the first to complain. End of the day I didnt do anything wrong, i go home at the end of each day with my pockets filled with rubbish cos i hate throwing stuff away, i always put my cig ends in the bins provided, ive worked every sigle day of my adult life and i pay my taxes, something like this happens which yeah i`m gonna say wasnt my fault and suddely I`m seen as a criminal.
I buy an evening times everyday after work, but i certainly wont be now.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 7:47pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
ex-labour voter, are you calling me a poof? If that is the extent of your politics then the SNP will certainly be glad of your support. [/quote] No im not calling you a poof.
Senile old wummin ,aye.
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
ex-labour voter, are you calling me a poof? If that is the extent of your politics then the SNP will certainly be glad of your support.
No im not calling you a poof.
Senile old wummin ,aye.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 7:50pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I think it would be better to put these litter fiends in the stocks. Then the righteous public can throw rotten fruit at them. OOPs, forgot, thats littering too!!!! The Evenings Times has modernised public pilloring. A paper for the dark ages....
I think it would be better to put these litter fiends in the stocks. Then the righteous public can throw rotten fruit at them. OOPs, forgot, thats littering too!!!! The Evenings Times has modernised public pilloring. A paper for the dark ages....
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 7:54pm Tue 11 Dec 07
So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?
So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:11pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?[/quote] Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not.
To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid?
If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!!
Big Al wrote:
So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?
Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not.
To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid?
If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!!
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 8:19pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
Whoops, don't know what happened there. Let's see how long it takes them to delete it anyway. Hey Herald family of newspapers? You just lost an advertising customer.[/quote] Oh, I think they will have lost a lot more than just you Heather!!! Well done!!![/quote] Heather your earlier post & mine regarding what you are allowed to comment on & what you arent I.E Islam & terrorists have been deleted by the fascist evening news..Freedom of the press?, i think not
john wrote:
Heather wrote:
Whoops, don't know what happened there. Let's see how long it takes them to delete it anyway. Hey Herald family of newspapers? You just lost an advertising customer.
Oh, I think they will have lost a lot more than just you Heather!!! Well done!!!
Heather your earlier post & mine regarding what you are allowed to comment on & what you arent I.E Islam & terrorists have been deleted by the fascist evening news..Freedom of the press?, i think not
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 8:28pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I can't see the ET printing names and addresses of burglars, etc, as I believe that would have led to former LP Alex Mosson being 'named and shamed..'
The people who dump stuff out of the windows of cars, etc, are never going to get fined, unless they are pursued by motorised wardens in Knight-Rider style law enforcement vehicles.. which is what I would expect if the council really spent £150million on it!
Those of you who boast of a 'zero tolerance' approach might wonder why the ET 'journalists' have a different attitude to parking offenders.. also against the law, but seemingly the ET journalists and editor sympathise with parking offenders! I wonder why..
We should have a national debate about 'zero tolerance' culture here. It would never happen in Holland, where memories of the Nazi occupation are very much alive. What next from der Evening Times? People cycling without lights being named and shamed? How about people who allow their dogs to sh1t on the pavement get their dogs put down?? god forbid if they ever named and shamed council tax dodgers, they might run out of newsprint..
Common sense policing would allow litter offenders to pick up the litter before they got charged £60. [bold]Just another stealth tax!![/bold]
GCC + LITTER WARDENS + EVENING TIMES = NAZI SCUMBAGS!!
I can't see the ET printing names and addresses of burglars, etc, as I believe that would have led to former LP Alex Mosson being 'named and shamed..'
The people who dump stuff out of the windows of cars, etc, are never going to get fined, unless they are pursued by motorised wardens in Knight-Rider style law enforcement vehicles.. which is what I would expect if the council really spent £150million on it!
Those of you who boast of a 'zero tolerance' approach might wonder why the ET 'journalists' have a different attitude to parking offenders.. also against the law, but seemingly the ET journalists and editor sympathise with parking offenders! I wonder why..
We should have a national debate about 'zero tolerance' culture here. It would never happen in Holland, where memories of the Nazi occupation are very much alive. What next from der Evening Times? People cycling without lights being named and shamed? How about people who allow their dogs to sh1t on the pavement get their dogs put down?? god forbid if they ever named and shamed council tax dodgers, they might run out of newsprint..
Common sense policing would allow litter offenders to pick up the litter before they got charged £60.
Just another stealth tax!!
GCC + LITTER WARDENS + EVENING TIMES = NAZI SCUMBAGS!!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 8:30pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?[/quote] Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not.
To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid?
If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!![/quote] But John, you don't need to pick up the evening times, because you just need to look at the streets and seet that we're a country that takes not pride in itself.
To be honest, I agree, if there are people who have offered to pick up the litter and then they are fined, then that is wrong.
I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.
If there is any backchat, attitude, talk of Nazi or Hitler squad, or refusal to pick up the litter, then out comes the 'red card' - fine and consequences that follow (ET name and shame - in my eyes they are fair game).
I just don't think this is a waste of money having peoiple that catch people littering. It is just such a useless waste of resources (time, money, energy) that could be better spent elsewhere. And all it takes is for people to use bins.
john wrote:
Big Al wrote:
So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?
Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not.
To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid?
If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!!
But John, you don't need to pick up the evening times, because you just need to look at the streets and seet that we're a country that takes not pride in itself.
To be honest, I agree, if there are people who have offered to pick up the litter and then they are fined, then that is wrong.
I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.
If there is any backchat, attitude, talk of Nazi or Hitler squad, or refusal to pick up the litter, then out comes the 'red card' - fine and consequences that follow (ET name and shame - in my eyes they are fair game).
I just don't think this is a waste of money having peoiple that catch people littering. It is just such a useless waste of resources (time, money, energy) that could be better spent elsewhere. And all it takes is for people to use bins.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 8:36pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Alexparade
I just don't see how this could be a stealth tax?? Its a tax on people who litter. And its hardly money making given the amount of people that they've caught.
And why are you calling litter wardens Nazis - I just don't understand? So you would prefer them not to stop people dropping litter. Maybe congratulate people they catch. Maybe even pick up the litter for them.
In my views, the stealth tax is caused by the people that drop the litter - because as a council tax payer, I'm having to pay for somebody to pick that up.
Alexparade
I just don't see how this could be a stealth tax?? Its a tax on people who litter. And its hardly money making given the amount of people that they've caught.
And why are you calling litter wardens Nazis - I just don't understand? So you would prefer them not to stop people dropping litter. Maybe congratulate people they catch. Maybe even pick up the litter for them.
In my views, the stealth tax is caused by the people that drop the litter - because as a council tax payer, I'm having to pay for somebody to pick that up.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 8:38pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote]I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.[/quote]
You could apply the same principle to housebreakers that got caught, or people carrying knives - they would say sorry, and give the stuff back or throw away the knife, and after a wee bit of talking to and an informative pamphlet being handed over, they'd be on their way. Sounds fair to me.
I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.
You could apply the same principle to housebreakers that got caught, or people carrying knives - they would say sorry, and give the stuff back or throw away the knife, and after a wee bit of talking to and an informative pamphlet being handed over, they'd be on their way. Sounds fair to me.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:41pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?[/quote] Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not. To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid? If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!![/quote] But John, you don't need to pick up the evening times, because you just need to look at the streets and seet that we're a country that takes not pride in itself. To be honest, I agree, if there are people who have offered to pick up the litter and then they are fined, then that is wrong. I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken. If there is any backchat, attitude, talk of Nazi or Hitler squad, or refusal to pick up the litter, then out comes the 'red card' - fine and consequences that follow (ET name and shame - in my eyes they are fair game). I just don't think this is a waste of money having peoiple that catch people littering. It is just such a useless waste of resources (time, money, energy) that could be better spent elsewhere. And all it takes is for people to use bins.[/quote] Big Al, yeah sure lets go for the big criminals that throw litter. Lets forget that is not safe to walk the streets at night. Lets imagine that we dont need to spend money on the sick and elderly. Lets imagine that we have all police we need. Lets imagine that Glasgow council has got its priorities right.....
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Big Al wrote: So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?
Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not. To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid? If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!!
But John, you don't need to pick up the evening times, because you just need to look at the streets and seet that we're a country that takes not pride in itself. To be honest, I agree, if there are people who have offered to pick up the litter and then they are fined, then that is wrong. I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken. If there is any backchat, attitude, talk of Nazi or Hitler squad, or refusal to pick up the litter, then out comes the 'red card' - fine and consequences that follow (ET name and shame - in my eyes they are fair game). I just don't think this is a waste of money having peoiple that catch people littering. It is just such a useless waste of resources (time, money, energy) that could be better spent elsewhere. And all it takes is for people to use bins.
Big Al, yeah sure lets go for the big criminals that throw litter. Lets forget that is not safe to walk the streets at night. Lets imagine that we dont need to spend money on the sick and elderly. Lets imagine that we have all police we need. Lets imagine that Glasgow council has got its priorities right.....
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 8:47pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.[/quote]
You could apply the same principle to housebreakers that got caught, or people carrying knives - they would say sorry, and give the stuff back or throw away the knife, and after a wee bit of talking to and an informative pamphlet being handed over, they'd be on their way. Sounds fair to me.[/quote] YEs, but given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime, then what I would like to see is that as well as fining 6000 litterlouts, they actually provided information and leaflets to 25,000 other people.
Littering is the most stupid of offences, which could be easily prevented if people just did there bit... bugulary is on a slightly different scale.
Johnny - if you read my previous posts, you will see that I am all for these fines... I think its a disgraceful situation, but I am just trying to think of ways which would tackle people's hostility to any form of authority.
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.
You could apply the same principle to housebreakers that got caught, or people carrying knives - they would say sorry, and give the stuff back or throw away the knife, and after a wee bit of talking to and an informative pamphlet being handed over, they'd be on their way. Sounds fair to me.
YEs, but given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime, then what I would like to see is that as well as fining 6000 litterlouts, they actually provided information and leaflets to 25,000 other people.
Littering is the most stupid of offences, which could be easily prevented if people just did there bit... bugulary is on a slightly different scale.
Johnny - if you read my previous posts, you will see that I am all for these fines... I think its a disgraceful situation, but I am just trying to think of ways which would tackle people's hostility to any form of authority.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 8:56pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Strange how the word Nazi crops up on the subject of litter. Nazis did take pleasure in killing and disposing of people. And Germany is strangely enough litter free. Is it just a co in sid erance.[bold]bold[/bold]
Strange how the word Nazi crops up on the subject of litter. Nazis did take pleasure in killing and disposing of people. And Germany is strangely enough litter free. Is it just a co in sid erance.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 8:57pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?[/quote] Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not. To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid? If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!![/quote] But John, you don't need to pick up the evening times, because you just need to look at the streets and seet that we're a country that takes not pride in itself. To be honest, I agree, if there are people who have offered to pick up the litter and then they are fined, then that is wrong. I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken. If there is any backchat, attitude, talk of Nazi or Hitler squad, or refusal to pick up the litter, then out comes the 'red card' - fine and consequences that follow (ET name and shame - in my eyes they are fair game). I just don't think this is a waste of money having peoiple that catch people littering. It is just such a useless waste of resources (time, money, energy) that could be better spent elsewhere. And all it takes is for people to use bins.[/quote] Big Al, yeah sure lets go for the big criminals that throw litter. Lets forget that is not safe to walk the streets at night. Lets imagine that we dont need to spend money on the sick and elderly. Lets imagine that we have all police we need. Lets imagine that Glasgow council has got its priorities right.....[/quote] John - littering costs money. Littering steals money away from other services. Littering is an easy problem to solve in the sense that lazy people need to stop doing it.
Do you hear me suggesting that you take money away from other services?? No. I don't see why you think that we shouldn't be able to tackle more than one problem at a time.
john wrote:
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Big Al wrote: So what we are saying is that every piece of litter and fags ends on the street is a mistake. Each peice has a story on how it was accidentally droppped there, however, it was beyond that person's ability to then pick it up?
Big Al, I spoke to a girl who had been fined. She offered to pick it up but was told she could not. To make my position clear, I do not condon littering, of course I don't. But is this sensible? Is there not better ways the council could spend our money, police, education even more litter bins? Is this campagn not just petty and stupid? If you are a visitor to this country and you pick up the Evening Times and you read this crap. What are you going to think???? That we are a country full of a$$h*les? Yeah, thanks Evening times!!!
But John, you don't need to pick up the evening times, because you just need to look at the streets and seet that we're a country that takes not pride in itself. To be honest, I agree, if there are people who have offered to pick up the litter and then they are fined, then that is wrong. I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken. If there is any backchat, attitude, talk of Nazi or Hitler squad, or refusal to pick up the litter, then out comes the 'red card' - fine and consequences that follow (ET name and shame - in my eyes they are fair game). I just don't think this is a waste of money having peoiple that catch people littering. It is just such a useless waste of resources (time, money, energy) that could be better spent elsewhere. And all it takes is for people to use bins.
Big Al, yeah sure lets go for the big criminals that throw litter. Lets forget that is not safe to walk the streets at night. Lets imagine that we dont need to spend money on the sick and elderly. Lets imagine that we have all police we need. Lets imagine that Glasgow council has got its priorities right.....
John - littering costs money. Littering steals money away from other services. Littering is an easy problem to solve in the sense that lazy people need to stop doing it.
Do you hear me suggesting that you take money away from other services?? No. I don't see why you think that we shouldn't be able to tackle more than one problem at a time.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 8:58pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
Ex labour voter, I'm glad that you're not homophobic, just gynophobic and you despise older people. Cos I was worried. [/quote] I despise corrupt labour leaders no matter their age, especially wee bent wendy who continues to treat the electorate with contempt. I love my wee granny even though she admitted to voting for labour scum, but thanks to wendy and labour lies and corruption she has vowed never to vote for the party of sleaze again.
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Ex labour voter, I'm glad that you're not homophobic, just gynophobic and you despise older people. Cos I was worried.
I despise corrupt labour leaders no matter their age, especially wee bent wendy who continues to treat the electorate with contempt. I love my wee granny even though she admitted to voting for labour scum, but thanks to wendy and labour lies and corruption she has vowed never to vote for the party of sleaze again.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 8:58pm Tue 11 Dec 07
You know what they'd do with the leaflets. though.
We've had decades of education - remember the "litter defence volunteers" in the 70s? - and it hasn't worked. The younger generation is more spoilt, selfish and pig ignorant than their spoilt, selfish and pig ignorant parents. Everyone knows that littering is wrong, and they do it anyway because they don't imagine that there will be any consequences. The reason why so many people are bleating about being punished and named and shamed is that they don't see why it ahould happen to them, they're nice people after all, and what about these peedafiles, eh?
Anything but taking personal responsibility and facing up to the consequences.
You know what they'd do with the leaflets. though.
We've had decades of education - remember the "litter defence volunteers" in the 70s? - and it hasn't worked. The younger generation is more spoilt, selfish and pig ignorant than their spoilt, selfish and pig ignorant parents. Everyone knows that littering is wrong, and they do it anyway because they don't imagine that there will be any consequences. The reason why so many people are bleating about being punished and named and shamed is that they don't see why it ahould happen to them, they're nice people after all, and what about these peedafiles, eh?
Anything but taking personal responsibility and facing up to the consequences.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:59pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: [quote]I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.[/quote] You could apply the same principle to housebreakers that got caught, or people carrying knives - they would say sorry, and give the stuff back or throw away the knife, and after a wee bit of talking to and an informative pamphlet being handed over, they'd be on their way. Sounds fair to me.[/quote] YEs, but given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime, then what I would like to see is that as well as fining 6000 litterlouts, they actually provided information and leaflets to 25,000 other people. Littering is the most stupid of offences, which could be easily prevented if people just did there bit... bugulary is on a slightly different scale. Johnny - if you read my previous posts, you will see that I am all for these fines... I think its a disgraceful situation, but I am just trying to think of ways which would tackle people's hostility to any form of authority.[/quote] Big Al. Yes, people used to view figures of Authority differently. Unfortunatley, we have came to realise that anyone who wants to be a politician should be one because they want to be one (if you catch my drift). We have had far too much humbug recently, eg poll tax, scandals, lies to get us into wars etc etc etc. This litter campagn is just more of the same humbug. Give me pamphlet, perhaps I will see the light, do you really think so???
Big Al wrote:
Johnny Punchclock wrote: I would say this would be a fair system: If the litter wardens catch somebody, issue then with a 'yellow card' - which is basically education about littering, costs to economy, where else the money could be used for. There would be no fine or name taken.
You could apply the same principle to housebreakers that got caught, or people carrying knives - they would say sorry, and give the stuff back or throw away the knife, and after a wee bit of talking to and an informative pamphlet being handed over, they'd be on their way. Sounds fair to me.
YEs, but given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime, then what I would like to see is that as well as fining 6000 litterlouts, they actually provided information and leaflets to 25,000 other people. Littering is the most stupid of offences, which could be easily prevented if people just did there bit... bugulary is on a slightly different scale. Johnny - if you read my previous posts, you will see that I am all for these fines... I think its a disgraceful situation, but I am just trying to think of ways which would tackle people's hostility to any form of authority.
Big Al. Yes, people used to view figures of Authority differently. Unfortunatley, we have came to realise that anyone who wants to be a politician should be one because they want to be one (if you catch my drift). We have had far too much humbug recently, eg poll tax, scandals, lies to get us into wars etc etc etc. This litter campagn is just more of the same humbug. Give me pamphlet, perhaps I will see the light, do you really think so???
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:20pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote]...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...[/quote]
Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter.
...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...
Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 9:31pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
[quote]...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...[/quote] Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter. [/quote] Sieg Heil, mein Führer!
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...
Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter.
Sieg Heil, mein Führer!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 9:39pm Tue 11 Dec 07
obituary for mr common sense,i was told about him early on in life, and i would call on him when making decisions, he will be remembered as having cultivated the lessons of coming in out of the rain,, why the early bird catches the worm, also that life is not fair, and maybe it was my own fault, dont spend more than you earn, and also reliable parenting strategies. he lost the will to live when you could not defend yourself when someone burgled your home and the burglar can sue you for assault, lets all pray that we can think like mr common sense instead of blaming other people after all if someone dropped a snottery hanky on your living room carpet, you would be madder as hell,.....litter wardens, i thank you all for bringing back the pride of this wonderful city( the way it should be.)
obituary for mr common sense,i was told about him early on in life, and i would call on him when making decisions, he will be remembered as having cultivated the lessons of coming in out of the rain,, why the early bird catches the worm, also that life is not fair, and maybe it was my own fault, dont spend more than you earn, and also reliable parenting strategies. he lost the will to live when you could not defend yourself when someone burgled your home and the burglar can sue you for assault, lets all pray that we can think like mr common sense instead of blaming other people after all if someone dropped a snottery hanky on your living room carpet, you would be madder as hell,.....litter wardens, i thank you all for bringing back the pride of this wonderful city( the way it should be.)
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 10:24pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
[quote]...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...[/quote] Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter. [/quote] Sieg Heil, mein Führer![/quote] So John. What do you think we should do about the problem? Why do poeple litter? What is going to make people stop? What would cause them to take a bit of pride in their environment?
john wrote:
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...
Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter.
Sieg Heil, mein Führer!
So John. What do you think we should do about the problem? Why do poeple litter? What is going to make people stop? What would cause them to take a bit of pride in their environment?
Posted by: blackcat, clydebank on 10:32pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I think who ever make the decision to have the names prints should give themselves a wee pat on the back for being so stupid. The council was sued may years ago for selling names and address regarding the elector role. This is information no one else should have other than kept private and confidential. How much did the evening time pay or receive for this information. Im not saying the lazy litter louts should be humiliated any more than they have already have.
I think who ever make the decision to have the names prints should give themselves a wee pat on the back for being so stupid. The council was sued may years ago for selling names and address regarding the elector role. This is information no one else should have other than kept private and confidential. How much did the evening time pay or receive for this information. Im not saying the lazy litter louts should be humiliated any more than they have already have.
Posted by: kiwiget, NZ on 10:33pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jimmykkk[/bold] wrote:
I think it is terrible that the times is giving the names and ADRESSES. The first step in stealing someones identity. I can't believe the they are acting so irresponsible. Must be short of stories[/quote] You mean, just like the PHONE BOOK?
jimmykkk wrote:
I think it is terrible that the times is giving the names and ADRESSES. The first step in stealing someones identity. I can't believe the they are acting so irresponsible. Must be short of stories
You mean, just like the PHONE BOOK?
Posted by: Beko, Glasgow on 10:35pm Tue 11 Dec 07
This is outrageous!! "We warned you"? Who does the Times think it is to be warning anybody about anything? Folk dropping litter get fined if caught, they've paid the penalty, end of. Or it should be end of.
It's only a matter of time before somebody, as a result of being "named and shamed" is tracked down as a result of this perceived do-gooding collusion of the times and the council, by somebody they didn't want to know their whereabouts, and either seriously assaulted or even murdered.
Or will that be all ok in the eyes of the times and the council, because said person fell foul of littering?
This is outrageous!! "We warned you"? Who does the Times think it is to be warning anybody about anything? Folk dropping litter get fined if caught, they've paid the penalty, end of. Or it should be end of.
It's only a matter of time before somebody, as a result of being "named and shamed" is tracked down as a result of this perceived do-gooding collusion of the times and the council, by somebody they didn't want to know their whereabouts, and either seriously assaulted or even murdered.
Or will that be all ok in the eyes of the times and the council, because said person fell foul of littering?
Posted by: blackcat, clydebank on 10:36pm Tue 11 Dec 07
I think who ever make the decision to have the names prints should give themselves a wee pat on the back for being so stupid. The council was sued may years ago for selling names and address regarding the elector role. This is information no one else should have other than kept private and confidential. How much did the evening time pay or receive for this information. Im not saying the lazy litter louts should be humiliated any more than they have already have.
I think who ever make the decision to have the names prints should give themselves a wee pat on the back for being so stupid. The council was sued may years ago for selling names and address regarding the elector role. This is information no one else should have other than kept private and confidential. How much did the evening time pay or receive for this information. Im not saying the lazy litter louts should be humiliated any more than they have already have.
Posted by: kiwiget on 10:37pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Jim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]max[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JohnMcDonald[/bold] wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.[/quote] Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.[/quote] I'm with you max, let he without sin cast the first stone[/quote] Okay, so no fines or imprisonment for any offence then?
Jim wrote:
max wrote:
JohnMcDonald wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.
I'm with you max, let he without sin cast the first stone
Okay, so no fines or imprisonment for any offence then?
Posted by: kiwiget on 10:45pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Beko[/bold] wrote:
This is outrageous!! "We warned you"? Who does the Times think it is to be warning anybody about anything? Folk dropping litter get fined if caught, they've paid the penalty, end of. Or it should be end of.
It's only a matter of time before somebody, as a result of being "named and shamed" is tracked down as a result of this perceived do-gooding collusion of the times and the council, by somebody they didn't want to know their whereabouts, and either seriously assaulted or even murdered.
Or will that be all ok in the eyes of the times and the council, because said person fell foul of littering?
[/quote] Yeah like the Glaswegians who actually CARE about the city would be the type to track down people and assault them.
The lesson is simple (to most folk with half a brain) - don't go spoiling the city for everyone else, causing Council Tax revenue to be spent in an unnecessary manner by having to clean up other people's filth - and you won't get your name in the paper.
I'd actually display them on a giant banner in George Square, and on the video screen at the Concert Hall.
Beko wrote:
This is outrageous!! "We warned you"? Who does the Times think it is to be warning anybody about anything? Folk dropping litter get fined if caught, they've paid the penalty, end of. Or it should be end of.
It's only a matter of time before somebody, as a result of being "named and shamed" is tracked down as a result of this perceived do-gooding collusion of the times and the council, by somebody they didn't want to know their whereabouts, and either seriously assaulted or even murdered.
Or will that be all ok in the eyes of the times and the council, because said person fell foul of littering?
Yeah like the Glaswegians who actually CARE about the city would be the type to track down people and assault them.
The lesson is simple (to most folk with half a brain) - don't go spoiling the city for everyone else, causing Council Tax revenue to be spent in an unnecessary manner by having to clean up other people's filth - and you won't get your name in the paper.
I'd actually display them on a giant banner in George Square, and on the video screen at the Concert Hall.
Posted by: GJS, Glasgow on 11:15pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Is this a newspaper or the secret police? Am I living in 21st century Scotland or Soviet Russia?
Is this a newspaper or the secret police? Am I living in 21st century Scotland or Soviet Russia?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 11:24pm Tue 11 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: [quote]...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...[/quote] Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter. [/quote] Sieg Heil, mein Führer![/quote] So John. What do you think we should do about the problem? Why do poeple litter? What is going to make people stop? What would cause them to take a bit of pride in their environment? [/quote] Have you taken a look at the example our leaders give the young? That is okay to lie, cheat and steal? Look at our government, look at the American government, scumbags the lot of them. It is unfair to compare them to Nazis, the Nazis where never this bad!!! So, I think the question of pride or lack of it can addressed to our leaders.
Furthermore, It is quite easy to recognise the stupid little hitlers that must be in charge of Glasgow Council.
As for the evening times, it is only good for holding fish and chips not sensible, newsworthy articles!!!
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Johnny Punchclock wrote: ...given that people seem to view that litter fines are just a stealth tax imposed by Nazi litter wardens employed by a Facist regime...
Some people, notably offenders, seem to view these fines in that way. Similarly, young persons stopped on the streets by the cops and searched for knives and having booze confiscated from them see themselves as victims of a terrible form of oppression. Boo hoo. All they need to do to avoid suffering under the fascist jackboot is... not drop litter.
Sieg Heil, mein Führer!
So John. What do you think we should do about the problem? Why do poeple litter? What is going to make people stop? What would cause them to take a bit of pride in their environment?
Have you taken a look at the example our leaders give the young? That is okay to lie, cheat and steal? Look at our government, look at the American government, scumbags the lot of them. It is unfair to compare them to Nazis, the Nazis where never this bad!!! So, I think the question of pride or lack of it can addressed to our leaders.
Furthermore, It is quite easy to recognise the stupid little hitlers that must be in charge of Glasgow Council.
As for the evening times, it is only good for holding fish and chips not sensible, newsworthy articles!!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 11:50pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Clean your own filthy backyard first Purcell:
[bold]http://tinyurl.com/2
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SM.
Clean your own filthy backyard first Purcell:
http://tinyurl.com/2
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SM.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 11:52pm Tue 11 Dec 07
Please let us post urls!!!
Copy-n-paste following into your browser:
[bold]tinyurl.com/2h554c[/bold]
Please let us post urls!!!
Copy-n-paste following into your browser:
tinyurl.com/2h554cPosted by: stellargirl, glasgow on 1:18am Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]max[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JohnMcDonald[/bold] wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.[/quote] Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.[/quote] Don't be so stupid! Just the stocks and mibbe a wee birching for the more serious crimes.
max wrote:
JohnMcDonald wrote: Littering, graffitti,vandalism are all forms of violence against our society. They debilitate and fracture our sense of security. They increase our sense of isolation and threaten our wellbeing. Low level crimes with a high impact on our lives should be tackled as a priority. The result will be an immediate benefit to all.
Get a life Pal! You'll be wanting to build a gallows in George Square and execute people next.
Don't be so stupid! Just the stocks and mibbe a wee birching for the more serious crimes.
Posted by: charles freck, mu on 1:25am Wed 12 Dec 07
What the hell is going on Evening Times?
You really have hit an all time low, i've been being a reader of your paper for about 9 years and in the last year i have to say i've noticed a decline in standards but this really does take the biscuit, does this have anything to do with a change of editor just over a year ago?
What the ET has done is wrong on so many different levels, printing in a public document the names and address's of anyone you please without this persons concent is a complete removal of this persons civil libertys and the fact that some people on this thread think this is a good idea, i actually find kinda scary?
What next, a name and shame of illegal car parkers? a name and shame of people fined and cautioned for doing the toilet in public? where does it end?
Moving on to the 500 names from today, i wonder how many people on your list for legitimate reasons don't want a person or persons to know wher they stay, something seriously dangerous could come from this.
I wonder how you'd report on a case of violence/domestic abuse/racsism which came about directly from your big splash, either you haven't thought it through or you just don't care. I imagine it's propbably a bit of both.
Shame on you Evening Times for treating your readers like a dumbed down lynch mob, shame on the person who actually thought this was a good idea, i somehow don't think it was the repoter/repeater who you got to write the story but having their name against the story propably means they deal with all the fallout but i could be wrong mabye the Editor/person who sanctioned this 'trash' would be happy to potentialy speak to the parents of a person who died in tragic circumstances whose name you have dragged through the dirt for 'paying' a fine for dropping litter, that's right, paying the fine, your proud list didn't even contain the names of 'litter terrorists' who refused to pay the fine, i stand amazed.
I wonder how many readers you have gone and lost today? well, at least 500 that's for sure.
.
What the hell is going on Evening Times?
You really have hit an all time low, i've been being a reader of your paper for about 9 years and in the last year i have to say i've noticed a decline in standards but this really does take the biscuit, does this have anything to do with a change of editor just over a year ago?
What the ET has done is wrong on so many different levels, printing in a public document the names and address's of anyone you please without this persons concent is a complete removal of this persons civil libertys and the fact that some people on this thread think this is a good idea, i actually find kinda scary?
What next, a name and shame of illegal car parkers? a name and shame of people fined and cautioned for doing the toilet in public? where does it end?
Moving on to the 500 names from today, i wonder how many people on your list for legitimate reasons don't want a person or persons to know wher they stay, something seriously dangerous could come from this.
I wonder how you'd report on a case of violence/domestic abuse/racsism which came about directly from your big splash, either you haven't thought it through or you just don't care. I imagine it's propbably a bit of both.
Shame on you Evening Times for treating your readers like a dumbed down lynch mob, shame on the person who actually thought this was a good idea, i somehow don't think it was the repoter/repeater who you got to write the story but having their name against the story propably means they deal with all the fallout but i could be wrong mabye the Editor/person who sanctioned this 'trash' would be happy to potentialy speak to the parents of a person who died in tragic circumstances whose name you have dragged through the dirt for 'paying' a fine for dropping litter, that's right, paying the fine, your proud list didn't even contain the names of 'litter terrorists' who refused to pay the fine, i stand amazed.
I wonder how many readers you have gone and lost today? well, at least 500 that's for sure.
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Posted by: chedwardall, glasgow on 3:40am Wed 12 Dec 07
Let's cut all the crap here(no pun intended)Littering is a criminal offence and the law must be upheld...end of story. Perhaps some of the apologists for litter louts in these posts should write to their MPs to get the law repealed if they feel people should not be punished for it.
Let's cut all the crap here(no pun intended)Littering is a criminal offence and the law must be upheld...end of story. Perhaps some of the apologists for litter louts in these posts should write to their MPs to get the law repealed if they feel people should not be punished for it.
Posted by: Linda Hughes, Vancouver, B.C. on 5:09am Wed 12 Dec 07
I'm amazed at the ravings appearing here with regard to litter louts. To print their names is sure to shame them, but printing the addresses,in this day and age, strikes me as pure madness. For every 25 addresses printed, I wonder how many folks out there are demented enough to perhaps take matters into their own hands? Come on, most of us, or a lot of us, know a big-mouthed citizen who would decide to roll up his sleeves and "do something about this". Printing the addresses scares me, for the sake of these citizens.
I'm amazed at the ravings appearing here with regard to litter louts. To print their names is sure to shame them, but printing the addresses,in this day and age, strikes me as pure madness. For every 25 addresses printed, I wonder how many folks out there are demented enough to perhaps take matters into their own hands? Come on, most of us, or a lot of us, know a big-mouthed citizen who would decide to roll up his sleeves and "do something about this". Printing the addresses scares me, for the sake of these citizens.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 9:35am Wed 12 Dec 07
Did anybody actually buy yesterday's paper - was it the full address that was published or just Name and Street Name?
Did anybody actually buy yesterday's paper - was it the full address that was published or just Name and Street Name?
Posted by: HEATHER MACBRYDE, scotland on 10:06am Wed 12 Dec 07
[bold]surely there are signs around the city centre warning that the littering will involve naming and shaming the "litter louts" in the local press? if so, then these "louts" will know in advance, what the punishment would be if caught littering.[/bold]
surely there are signs around the city centre warning that the littering will involve naming and shaming the "litter louts" in the local press? if so, then these "louts" will know in advance, what the punishment would be if caught littering. Posted by: daz, glasgow on 10:22am Wed 12 Dec 07
it was name and street name and area and area of littering.
some miss's were identified which was'nt clever, but i guess nothing that can't be found out by a determined stalker.....
it was name and street name and area and area of littering.
some miss's were identified which was'nt clever, but i guess nothing that can't be found out by a determined stalker.....
Posted by: john, renfrew on 10:55am Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]chedwardall[/bold] wrote:
Let's cut all the crap here(no pun intended)Littering is a criminal offence and the law must be upheld...end of story. Perhaps some of the apologists for litter louts in these posts should write to their MPs to get the law repealed if they feel people should not be punished for it.[/quote] HEY, for one there no apologists for litterers here, have you actually read the comments? OKAY, consider this: why doesn't the ET publish names of kerb crawlers? I'll tell you why: Because you probably find the names and addresses of policemen, politicians, judges etc. THE REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING IS BECAUSE ITS HUMBUG AND THE ET IS A NASTY LITTLE RAG!!!!
chedwardall wrote:
Let's cut all the crap here(no pun intended)Littering is a criminal offence and the law must be upheld...end of story. Perhaps some of the apologists for litter louts in these posts should write to their MPs to get the law repealed if they feel people should not be punished for it.
HEY, for one there no apologists for litterers here, have you actually read the comments? OKAY, consider this: why doesn't the ET publish names of kerb crawlers? I'll tell you why: Because you probably find the names and addresses of policemen, politicians, judges etc. THE REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING IS BECAUSE ITS HUMBUG AND THE ET IS A NASTY LITTLE RAG!!!!
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 11:03am Wed 12 Dec 07
Have just read the "Evening Digger" for those unfamiliar with the Digger its a local paper now obviously held in respect by the NUJ at te Evening Times. This kind of journalism gives a green light to door stepping and stalking of those more in keeping with the lime light; MSP & councillors coming to mind... For the data to have been released by the city council will surely see Labour lose further votes, three strikes and your out, maybe then name and shame. First offence? if caught the moral is do not pay your fine, do not admit guilt. Standard policy with many politicians & professionals these days...
How mad is the city council: spray paint a wall at Charing Cross and you get a blind eye, effectively the city council approving of vandalism. But if you drop an item upon a causey you get fine and your name in a news? paper. Maybe if more weans (non-earners) dropped sweetie papers then the policy
would be thrown out and shown for its inequality.
Have just read the "Evening Digger" for those unfamiliar with the Digger its a local paper now obviously held in respect by the NUJ at te Evening Times. This kind of journalism gives a green light to door stepping and stalking of those more in keeping with the lime light; MSP & councillors coming to mind... For the data to have been released by the city council will surely see Labour lose further votes, three strikes and your out, maybe then name and shame. First offence? if caught the moral is do not pay your fine, do not admit guilt. Standard policy with many politicians & professionals these days...
How mad is the city council: spray paint a wall at Charing Cross and you get a blind eye, effectively the city council approving of vandalism. But if you drop an item upon a causey you get fine and your name in a news? paper. Maybe if more weans (non-earners) dropped sweetie papers then the policy
would be thrown out and shown for its inequality.
Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 11:18am Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote: Whoops, don't know what happened there. Let's see how long it takes them to delete it anyway. Hey Herald family of newspapers? You just lost an advertising customer.[/quote] Oh, I think they will have lost a lot more than just you Heather!!! Well done!!![/quote] Heather your earlier post & mine regarding what you are allowed to comment on & what you arent I.E Islam & terrorists have been deleted by the fascist evening news..Freedom of the press?, i think not[/quote] Haha!! Just noticed they removed my post cause i informed Heather she may have made a wee mistake by commenting on what you're not allowed to comment on in this paper.... HAHAHA!!
Biffo the bear wrote:
john wrote: Heather wrote: Whoops, don't know what happened there. Let's see how long it takes them to delete it anyway. Hey Herald family of newspapers? You just lost an advertising customer.
Oh, I think they will have lost a lot more than just you Heather!!! Well done!!!
Heather your earlier post & mine regarding what you are allowed to comment on & what you arent I.E Islam & terrorists have been deleted by the fascist evening news..Freedom of the press?, i think not
Haha!! Just noticed they removed my post cause i informed Heather she may have made a wee mistake by commenting on what you're not allowed to comment on in this paper.... HAHAHA!!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:06am Sat 15 Dec 07
if the people do not want to do the descent thing by not throwing their filth all over glasgow i would suggest that they please give us all a clue as to what these round cylinder things at nearly every corner in the city is for?,if there was no rubbish bins you would all be complaining.... ah pey ma taxes fur bins so howzaboot geeinus them,...idiots!
if the people do not want to do the descent thing by not throwing their filth all over glasgow i would suggest that they please give us all a clue as to what these round cylinder things at nearly every corner in the city is for?,if there was no rubbish bins you would all be complaining.... ah pey ma taxes fur bins so howzaboot geeinus them,...idiots!
Posted by: ScubaLass, South Carolina, USA on 1:22am Fri 25 Jan 08
I'm sure this will rile a great many people - but exactly when did so many folks STOP being responsible for their actions! I thought that was an American disease! I am a Scot that now lives in the USA but every time I come home it's to see more litter in the streets than I ever knew as a child growing up in Glasgow. My dad would have clipped our ear if we threw our trash in the street! When my children were old enough to unwrap their own sweets, they handed the wrappers to me and I put them in my pockets and deposited them appropriately when I got home. What in the name has happened to Scottish pride? You want to blame the gum manufacturers for people spitting out their gum on the streets and expect the companies to clean it up? You want to sue the council for having your names reported when you're caught tossing your trash on the pavement - excuse me - two feet from a bin? Each time I come home for a visit it's to see the streets of Glasgow look more and more like a city dump.
Cigarette butts - to the brave soul that suggested tossing them in a bin while lit and setting the city pon fire - that was a really 'bright' suggestion genius, but try stamping it out first and then holding it until you reach a bin and depositing it safely. I love my country, my heritage and my city of birth - but the attitudes of the people I've been reading throughout this post - are really scary. Do you REALLY want to see the city trashed - don't you care - or don't you see the trash???
As much as there are many things we can't control, littering our own environment is definitely something we CAN and definitely should take responsibility for and that begins and ends with each and every one of us - regardless of where we live.
I'm sure this will rile a great many people - but exactly when did so many folks STOP being responsible for their actions! I thought that was an American disease! I am a Scot that now lives in the USA but every time I come home it's to see more litter in the streets than I ever knew as a child growing up in Glasgow. My dad would have clipped our ear if we threw our trash in the street! When my children were old enough to unwrap their own sweets, they handed the wrappers to me and I put them in my pockets and deposited them appropriately when I got home. What in the name has happened to Scottish pride? You want to blame the gum manufacturers for people spitting out their gum on the streets and expect the companies to clean it up? You want to sue the council for having your names reported when you're caught tossing your trash on the pavement - excuse me - two feet from a bin? Each time I come home for a visit it's to see the streets of Glasgow look more and more like a city dump.
Cigarette butts - to the brave soul that suggested tossing them in a bin while lit and setting the city pon fire - that was a really 'bright' suggestion genius, but try stamping it out first and then holding it until you reach a bin and depositing it safely. I love my country, my heritage and my city of birth - but the attitudes of the people I've been reading throughout this post - are really scary. Do you REALLY want to see the city trashed - don't you care - or don't you see the trash???
As much as there are many things we can't control, littering our own environment is definitely something we CAN and definitely should take responsibility for and that begins and ends with each and every one of us - regardless of where we live.
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