Posted by: sall, glasgow on 4:05pm Thu 21 Feb 08
Good to see the boys over at the fire station getting some praise from the glasgow managment,
but according to some the( team spirit is far from superb as )as printed in this article[italic]italic[/italic] , the glasgow managment are still punishing them for going on strike 3 years ago .
The reason for the strike being glasgow managments decision to take away a fire engine which was the first emergency vehicle to attend the tragic aircrash in summer 1999, this fire engine i have been informed would have been first to attend the airpot bombing last year, all baa's english airports still have these fire engines ,i have also noted that after the bombing the baa managment praised themselves and everyone who attended apart from their own fire service ,ironically it was the airport fire engines that eventually put the fire out , so come on ET try and talk to the people that make the airport work instead of usual managment spin
Good to see the boys over at the fire station getting some praise from the glasgow managment,
but according to some the( team spirit is far from superb as )as printed in this article , the glasgow managment are still punishing them for going on strike 3 years ago .
The reason for the strike being glasgow managments decision to take away a fire engine which was the first emergency vehicle to attend the tragic aircrash in summer 1999, this fire engine i have been informed would have been first to attend the airpot bombing last year, all baa's english airports still have these fire engines ,i have also noted that after the bombing the baa managment praised themselves and everyone who attended apart from their own fire service ,ironically it was the airport fire engines that eventually put the fire out , so come on ET try and talk to the people that make the airport work instead of usual managment spin
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:19pm Thu 21 Feb 08
As much as I think Firefighters accross the board do a superb job against the odds, and all the fake calls that come in, this article for me fails to make its point accross.
What would be far better is if the BBC commissioned another TV Programme to sequel the "Firefighters" Programme on last October.
Its 6 week run showed new recruits from all over the country training at Cowdaddens, and eventually move onto their permanent base.
By showing the trials and tribulations which these "heroes" in my eyes go through, and highlighting the dangers of making prank calls a new "Firefighters" series for me would be a far more interesting insight into these hunky guys lives.
Far too many medical dramas, and documentaries are shown on tv, even Police dramas and reality shows - even the coastguard lifeboats get a programme about it's real life rescues.
So, wheres the balance here? Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ?
Apart from repeats of american imports very occassionally - there has been no "Londons Burning" programmes, or BBC Scotland commissioned "Firefighters" shows!
Time for this to change!
As much as I think Firefighters accross the board do a superb job against the odds, and all the fake calls that come in, this article for me fails to make its point accross.
What would be far better is if the BBC commissioned another TV Programme to sequel the "Firefighters" Programme on last October.
Its 6 week run showed new recruits from all over the country training at Cowdaddens, and eventually move onto their permanent base.
By showing the trials and tribulations which these "heroes" in my eyes go through, and highlighting the dangers of making prank calls a new "Firefighters" series for me would be a far more interesting insight into these hunky guys lives.
Far too many medical dramas, and documentaries are shown on tv, even Police dramas and reality shows - even the coastguard lifeboats get a programme about it's real life rescues.
So, wheres the balance here? Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ?
Apart from repeats of american imports very occassionally - there has been no "Londons Burning" programmes, or BBC Scotland commissioned "Firefighters" shows!
Time for this to change!
Posted by: weewilliewinky, paisley on 9:59pm Thu 21 Feb 08
I have to laugh when the AFM mackinnon , talks about superb team spirit , this is the same guy who tried to sack one of the firefighters a few weeks ago . The amount of training they do has never been lower , the recruits now get the most basic of training and it is so poor the firefighters had to set up a three week course to give them a basic knowledge of the job .
All the while they ,the management are relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue , or so they hope , scottish passengers are getting a very raw deal
I have to laugh when the AFM mackinnon , talks about superb team spirit , this is the same guy who tried to sack one of the firefighters a few weeks ago . The amount of training they do has never been lower , the recruits now get the most basic of training and it is so poor the firefighters had to set up a three week course to give them a basic knowledge of the job .
All the while they ,the management are relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue , or so they hope , scottish passengers are getting a very raw deal
Posted by: sall on 11:02pm Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]weewilliewinky[/bold] wrote:
I have to laugh when the AFM mackinnon , talks about superb team spirit , this is the same guy who tried to sack one of the firefighters a few weeks ago . The amount of training they do has never been lower , the recruits now get the most basic of training and it is so poor the firefighters had to set up a three week course to give them a basic knowledge of the job . All the while they ,the management are relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue , or so they hope , scottish passengers are getting a very raw deal [/quote] Is this the same Mr mackinnon who during the firefighters strike 3 years ago worked and helped the baa to run a fire service with untrained managers from other airports ,
I understand they were very well paid for their involvment while the firefighters were out on strike,he and i understand others have done very well out of the strike, i understand when a member of the public comented on who was in the fire station baa,s information desk informed that person that strathclyde fire service were in charge ,shame on you Mr mackinnon and the baa[italic]italic[/italic]
weewilliewinky wrote:
I have to laugh when the AFM mackinnon , talks about superb team spirit , this is the same guy who tried to sack one of the firefighters a few weeks ago . The amount of training they do has never been lower , the recruits now get the most basic of training and it is so poor the firefighters had to set up a three week course to give them a basic knowledge of the job . All the while they ,the management are relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue , or so they hope , scottish passengers are getting a very raw deal
Is this the same Mr mackinnon who during the firefighters strike 3 years ago worked and helped the baa to run a fire service with untrained managers from other airports ,
I understand they were very well paid for their involvment while the firefighters were out on strike,he and i understand others have done very well out of the strike, i understand when a member of the public comented on who was in the fire station baa,s information desk informed that person that strathclyde fire service were in charge ,shame on you Mr mackinnon and the baa
Posted by: Toerag, Scotland on 6:59pm Fri 22 Feb 08
Looks like a load of sour grapes against the Chief Fire Officer here. The member of staff that he sacked is now working elsewhere? Or has he made an amazing recovery and found his way back in again? A couple of rotten apples will enevitably spread the rot. Or will they just be left behind when they get to market?
When that happens the place will be "minted".
It has been proven that they Airport Fire fighters can do the job.
3 years ago happened..get over it.
No point in getting angry at a management team that are no longer there.
Looks like a load of sour grapes against the Chief Fire Officer here. The member of staff that he sacked is now working elsewhere? Or has he made an amazing recovery and found his way back in again? A couple of rotten apples will enevitably spread the rot. Or will they just be left behind when they get to market?
When that happens the place will be "minted".
It has been proven that they Airport Fire fighters can do the job.
3 years ago happened..get over it.
No point in getting angry at a management team that are no longer there.
Posted by: Fire Fighter, London on 8:06pm Fri 22 Feb 08
Quote: Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ?
Answer: They don't provide ANY real insight into the world of fire fighting. London's burning, steel river blues ect are all drama and have nothing in common to the real thing.
Another Quote: Relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue.........
Well that is the idea...The airport can't justify having so many appliances for bugger all calls. 296 is a year? My station could do that in little over a month, we have [bold]loads[/bold] more ground to cover and only 3 appliances. So why do the airort crews need more? The appliances they have are specialist and can really only deal with airside incidents, whilst the machines we use carry totally different kit. What good is foam, jets and 4x4 appliances with aircraft kit to someone trapped in a lift in a terminal building?
Didn't think so. And with respect to all who have posted the AFM has obviously had reasons to sack and reduce cover so don't bad mouth.
And before anyone says, I do know the airport crews, I was one of the first on the scene at the attack and I work for Strathclyde, not the airport.
Quote: Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ?
Answer: They don't provide ANY real insight into the world of fire fighting. London's burning, steel river blues ect are all drama and have nothing in common to the real thing.
Another Quote: Relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue.........
Well that is the idea...The airport can't justify having so many appliances for bugger all calls. 296 is a year? My station could do that in little over a month, we have
loads more ground to cover and only 3 appliances. So why do the airort crews need more? The appliances they have are specialist and can really only deal with airside incidents, whilst the machines we use carry totally different kit. What good is foam, jets and 4x4 appliances with aircraft kit to someone trapped in a lift in a terminal building?
Didn't think so. And with respect to all who have posted the AFM has obviously had reasons to sack and reduce cover so don't bad mouth.
And before anyone says, I do know the airport crews, I was one of the first on the scene at the attack and I work for Strathclyde, not the airport.
Posted by: People Power on 11:05pm Fri 22 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Fire Fighter[/bold] wrote:
Quote: Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ? Answer: They don't provide ANY real insight into the world of fire fighting. London's burning, steel river blues ect are all drama and have nothing in common to the real thing. Another Quote: Relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue......... Well that is the idea...The airport can't justify having so many appliances for bugger all calls. 296 is a year? My station could do that in little over a month, we have [bold]loads[/bold] more ground to cover and only 3 appliances. So why do the airort crews need more? The appliances they have are specialist and can really only deal with airside incidents, whilst the machines we use carry totally different kit. What good is foam, jets and 4x4 appliances with aircraft kit to someone trapped in a lift in a terminal building? Didn't think so. And with respect to all who have posted the AFM has obviously had reasons to sack and reduce cover so don't bad mouth. And before anyone says, I do know the airport crews, I was one of the first on the scene at the attack and I work for Strathclyde, not the airport.[/quote]
Take it that means you didn't watch the "Firefighters" real life drama then ?
Naturally there is only so much which will make good television viewing - (unfortunately!)
But, the drama's of Londons Burning are just that - and I realise that!
Surely it has to be worthwhile commissioning more real life documentaries and programmes which trail the Fire & Rescue Services on a regular basis. . .
TV Campaigns and ads for Smoke detectors being fitted or having your house checked over by the Fire & Rescue Service is just one small element of what could be promoted or pushed by such a real life documentary / docu-soap!
I also realise that what the media say and the management try to cover up when it comes to the bad publicity or the strikes for £30K, which the crews never actually got ?
(Got the stickers & the T - Shirts!)
Am a strong supporter of all public services who are getting such a raw deal re-pay, terms & conditions of their jobs. When footballers and others get millions for doing far less than kick a ball in front of TV Cameras!
I'd also say if you know about the Crews in Glasgow or at the Airport - on a slightly different matter - I totally disagree with the way in which Fire & Rescue Services took over River Clyde rescues from George Parsonage, credited with having saved more than 1500 lives on the River Clyde.
Surely Health & Safety can go too far at times ?
Fire Fighter wrote:
Quote: Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ? Answer: They don't provide ANY real insight into the world of fire fighting. London's burning, steel river blues ect are all drama and have nothing in common to the real thing. Another Quote: Relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue......... Well that is the idea...The airport can't justify having so many appliances for bugger all calls. 296 is a year? My station could do that in little over a month, we have loads more ground to cover and only 3 appliances. So why do the airort crews need more? The appliances they have are specialist and can really only deal with airside incidents, whilst the machines we use carry totally different kit. What good is foam, jets and 4x4 appliances with aircraft kit to someone trapped in a lift in a terminal building? Didn't think so. And with respect to all who have posted the AFM has obviously had reasons to sack and reduce cover so don't bad mouth. And before anyone says, I do know the airport crews, I was one of the first on the scene at the attack and I work for Strathclyde, not the airport.
Take it that means you didn't watch the "Firefighters" real life drama then ?
Naturally there is only so much which will make good television viewing - (unfortunately!)
But, the drama's of Londons Burning are just that - and I realise that!
Surely it has to be worthwhile commissioning more real life documentaries and programmes which trail the Fire & Rescue Services on a regular basis. . .
TV Campaigns and ads for Smoke detectors being fitted or having your house checked over by the Fire & Rescue Service is just one small element of what could be promoted or pushed by such a real life documentary / docu-soap!
I also realise that what the media say and the management try to cover up when it comes to the bad publicity or the strikes for £30K, which the crews never actually got ?
(Got the stickers & the T - Shirts!)
Am a strong supporter of all public services who are getting such a raw deal re-pay, terms & conditions of their jobs. When footballers and others get millions for doing far less than kick a ball in front of TV Cameras!
I'd also say if you know about the Crews in Glasgow or at the Airport - on a slightly different matter - I totally disagree with the way in which Fire & Rescue Services took over River Clyde rescues from George Parsonage, credited with having saved more than 1500 lives on the River Clyde.
Surely Health & Safety can go too far at times ?
Posted by: Toerag, Scotland on 12:02am Sat 23 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Fire Fighter[/bold] wrote:
Quote: Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ? Answer: They don't provide ANY real insight into the world of fire fighting. London's burning, steel river blues ect are all drama and have nothing in common to the real thing. Another Quote: Relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue......... Well that is the idea...The airport can't justify having so many appliances for bugger all calls. 296 is a year? My station could do that in little over a month, we have [bold]loads[/bold] more ground to cover and only 3 appliances. So why do the airort crews need more? The appliances they have are specialist and can really only deal with airside incidents, whilst the machines we use carry totally different kit. What good is foam, jets and 4x4 appliances with aircraft kit to someone trapped in a lift in a terminal building? Didn't think so. And with respect to all who have posted the AFM has obviously had reasons to sack and reduce cover so don't bad mouth. And before anyone says, I do know the airport crews, I was one of the first on the scene at the attack and I work for Strathclyde, not the airport.[/quote] Sorry don't really care about TV drama's.
You say that you were one of the "first on scene" at the attack. Can you confirm which appliance actually extinguished the Jeep?
From where I was working it was an Airport appliance. Youtube the incident and watch the Strathclyde jets having no effect on the vehicle and the building.
God forbid we have regular aircraft incidents. Engineers will release people trapped in lifts, no need for fire service attendance, airport or otherwise.
Airport firefighters would be attending far more calls, especially to the terminals, and not wasting strathclyde time and effort for all minor and false alarms. Mainly because your management allowed the BAA to quote a 4 minute response to the airport. You and I know this is nonsense.
How many of your "296" calls a month are actually bonafide jobs. Are you including skip fires, rubbish fires and false alarms?
The Airport has gradually went downhill over the last 6 years due to financial restraint, you only have to walk throught he terminal to see the degradation and cleanliness of the place. Strathclyde have also went through a serious change. Look at ARP's Not the best equipment but it does save the cost of manpower.
Airport crews need more equipment than a standard brigade due to the fact you are trying to make an on airfield incident survivable for anything up to 400 passengers within 2 minutes. Not 4 people in a dwelling house within 20 minutes.
Strathclyde do a fantastic job and I am sure that for all the downfalls of the management at Glasgow Airport the airport fire service have proved themselves to do a sterling job as and when required.
Fire Fighter wrote:
Quote: Where are the "Firefighters" dramas, documentariees and praise for them on Tv ? Answer: They don't provide ANY real insight into the world of fire fighting. London's burning, steel river blues ect are all drama and have nothing in common to the real thing. Another Quote: Relying on the fact strathclyde are going to come to the rescue......... Well that is the idea...The airport can't justify having so many appliances for bugger all calls. 296 is a year? My station could do that in little over a month, we have loads more ground to cover and only 3 appliances. So why do the airort crews need more? The appliances they have are specialist and can really only deal with airside incidents, whilst the machines we use carry totally different kit. What good is foam, jets and 4x4 appliances with aircraft kit to someone trapped in a lift in a terminal building? Didn't think so. And with respect to all who have posted the AFM has obviously had reasons to sack and reduce cover so don't bad mouth. And before anyone says, I do know the airport crews, I was one of the first on the scene at the attack and I work for Strathclyde, not the airport.
Sorry don't really care about TV drama's.
You say that you were one of the "first on scene" at the attack. Can you confirm which appliance actually extinguished the Jeep?
From where I was working it was an Airport appliance. Youtube the incident and watch the Strathclyde jets having no effect on the vehicle and the building.
God forbid we have regular aircraft incidents. Engineers will release people trapped in lifts, no need for fire service attendance, airport or otherwise.
Airport firefighters would be attending far more calls, especially to the terminals, and not wasting strathclyde time and effort for all minor and false alarms. Mainly because your management allowed the BAA to quote a 4 minute response to the airport. You and I know this is nonsense.
How many of your "296" calls a month are actually bonafide jobs. Are you including skip fires, rubbish fires and false alarms?
The Airport has gradually went downhill over the last 6 years due to financial restraint, you only have to walk throught he terminal to see the degradation and cleanliness of the place. Strathclyde have also went through a serious change. Look at ARP's Not the best equipment but it does save the cost of manpower.
Airport crews need more equipment than a standard brigade due to the fact you are trying to make an on airfield incident survivable for anything up to 400 passengers within 2 minutes. Not 4 people in a dwelling house within 20 minutes.
Strathclyde do a fantastic job and I am sure that for all the downfalls of the management at Glasgow Airport the airport fire service have proved themselves to do a sterling job as and when required.
Posted by: Fire Fighter, London on 11:44am Sat 23 Feb 08
Take it that means you didn't watch the "Firefighters" real life drama then ?
- Er I was in it. It was filmed, well some of it, at my old station. I was talking with respect of Londons burning ect scince they are dramas not documentarys.
And I said [italic]I was one of the first appliances[/italic], not the first.
Take it that means you didn't watch the "Firefighters" real life drama then ?
- Er I was in it. It was filmed, well some of it, at my old station. I was talking with respect of Londons burning ect scince they are dramas not documentarys.
And I said
I was one of the first appliances, not the first.
Posted by: Toerag, Scotland on 12:34pm Sat 23 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Fire Fighter[/bold] wrote:
Take it that means you didn't watch the "Firefighters" real life drama then ? - Er I was in it. It was filmed, well some of it, at my old station. I was talking with respect of Londons burning ect scince they are dramas not documentarys. And I said [italic]I was one of the first appliances[/italic], not the first.[/quote] Seen some of the Firefighters drama, to be honest when you go home from work you don't really want to see much of the same on telly.
I'm glad you got your 15mins of fame on the telly.
And I find it sad that you think its important that you were "one of the first".
Lots of errors on the day, but every job has a learning curve. Strathclyde whilst checking the terminal didn't know that there was a 2nd floor of the building, thats when the airport guys came in. Using thier knowledge, they searched it and gave it the all clear. Bearing in mind that 5 of the 10 AFS guys had never been in the building other thatn going on holiday...That I find sad and reflects BAA Management.
Fire Fighter wrote:
Take it that means you didn't watch the "Firefighters" real life drama then ? - Er I was in it. It was filmed, well some of it, at my old station. I was talking with respect of Londons burning ect scince they are dramas not documentarys. And I said I was one of the first appliances, not the first.
Seen some of the Firefighters drama, to be honest when you go home from work you don't really want to see much of the same on telly.
I'm glad you got your 15mins of fame on the telly.
And I find it sad that you think its important that you were "one of the first".
Lots of errors on the day, but every job has a learning curve. Strathclyde whilst checking the terminal didn't know that there was a 2nd floor of the building, thats when the airport guys came in. Using thier knowledge, they searched it and gave it the all clear. Bearing in mind that 5 of the 10 AFS guys had never been in the building other thatn going on holiday...That I find sad and reflects BAA Management.
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