Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:50am Fri 10 Oct 08
And, I did it single handedly.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-)
And, I did it single handedly.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:54am Fri 10 Oct 08
[italic]PEOPLE power has booted out plans for more parking charges in the West End and South Side of Glasgow.[/italic]
Gawdsake PP, were you doon at the city hall wearing a pair of big doc martens (Sex Pistols style) taking them oot one by one??
Ha Ha
Robert Booth says residents will be unhappy.
I thought they were the number one contributor to the consultation??????
PEOPLE power has booted out plans for more parking charges in the West End and South Side of Glasgow.
Gawdsake PP, were you doon at the city hall wearing a pair of big doc martens (Sex Pistols style) taking them oot one by one??
Ha Ha
Robert Booth says residents will be unhappy.
I thought they were the number one contributor to the consultation??????
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:54am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
And, I did it single handedly. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-) [/quote] You beat me to it - ever so slighlty ;-)
People Power wrote:
And, I did it single handedly. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-)
You beat me to it - ever so slighlty ;-)
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 10:57am Fri 10 Oct 08
Well done PP! ;-)
See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - [bold]they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be...[/bold]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Well done PP! ;-)
See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council -
they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be...
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 10:59am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]I think there is the likelihood there will be uproar when this is announced in the Evening Times[/quote]
[italic]Aye son, can't you just feel the anger of the posters???[/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
I think there is the likelihood there will be uproar when this is announced in the Evening Times
Aye son, can't you just feel the anger of the posters???
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: chris1922, Langside on 11:10am Fri 10 Oct 08
What people need is more parking spaces, not regulation of, or permits for, existing availability. The recent bus corridor “improvement” works done away with about 20 spaces, by my reckoning, where I stay. How does this improve bus access ? All it means is cars now double park, park on kerbs or on corners. Some cars are actually parked fully on the pavement in the evenings.
I voted against permits. What is the point of a permit if there are no spaces ? A better solution would be to make all the narrow streets one way, and have angled parking along one side of the street.
One could accuse the council of a money making scheme by increasing the amount of double yellows in residential areas…………
What people need is more parking spaces, not regulation of, or permits for, existing availability. The recent bus corridor “improvement” works done away with about 20 spaces, by my reckoning, where I stay. How does this improve bus access ? All it means is cars now double park, park on kerbs or on corners. Some cars are actually parked fully on the pavement in the evenings.
I voted against permits. What is the point of a permit if there are no spaces ? A better solution would be to make all the narrow streets one way, and have angled parking along one side of the street.
One could accuse the council of a money making scheme by increasing the amount of double yellows in residential areas…………
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 11:11am Fri 10 Oct 08
Robert Booth said
[quote]"We now have other priorities. I am not saying we will never review parking in these areas but it will not be at the top of our agenda."[/quote]
Who's throwing his toys out of the pram then LOL
Robert Booth said
"We now have other priorities. I am not saying we will never review parking in these areas but it will not be at the top of our agenda."
Who's throwing his toys out of the pram then LOL
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:12am Fri 10 Oct 08
On a more serious note.
Had this whole cherade of 'Parking permits' and the cost entailed been tailored adequately to the needs of people for each area, with flexibility, and awareness of each areas needs - or the idea that this entire set up was purely a money collection scam maybe it would of been considered.
The problems that scuppered this going ahead were clear to be seen.
1. cost / affordability.
2. Having fully guaranteed space/s, once the fee was payed.
3. Policing of the bays, on top of the shortfall of parking attendents overseeing illegal parking.
4. Restrictions of 'Parking Permits' granted, which for some businesses / shops etc who have several staff travelling in by car from various areas would be impractical.
5. And, the way in which residents have 2 cars per household / property ( occassionally 3.)
The benefits may have also been there, but clearly they were not very well promoted, or convincing enough for people to vote in favour of this proposal.
Until we look farmore realistically at the role of a car, uses of it within the city, the impracticalities of some of Glasgows streets to have parked cars, and i.e. buses travelling their lengths similataneously, we will never resolve the problems that currently exist.
Park And Ride options / facilities must be placed far higher on the agenda, and the option of 'Bus Corridors' in some areas, must again be looked at.
This is about more than residents rights to park their cars where they want to.
This is about city dwellers making serious choices about just how practical, cost effective, environmentally friendly? or feasible it is to drive in and around the city. ( especially during short journeys.)
We cannot continue with the massive scale of developments, apartments, flats, housing projects etc being built in and around the city - and not expect people to find cheaper / free ways to park their cars en - route to work.
Nor, can we expect the volume of traffic on roads to get any less if everytime new developments are built car ownership is allowed.
This is about a far wider problem in the city - 'Parking Bays' was just one very small solution in the far bigger picture of things.
On a more serious note.
Had this whole cherade of 'Parking permits' and the cost entailed been tailored adequately to the needs of people for each area, with flexibility, and awareness of each areas needs - or the idea that this entire set up was purely a money collection scam maybe it would of been considered.
The problems that scuppered this going ahead were clear to be seen.
1. cost / affordability.
2. Having fully guaranteed space/s, once the fee was payed.
3. Policing of the bays, on top of the shortfall of parking attendents overseeing illegal parking.
4. Restrictions of 'Parking Permits' granted, which for some businesses / shops etc who have several staff travelling in by car from various areas would be impractical.
5. And, the way in which residents have 2 cars per household / property ( occassionally 3.)
The benefits may have also been there, but clearly they were not very well promoted, or convincing enough for people to vote in favour of this proposal.
Until we look farmore realistically at the role of a car, uses of it within the city, the impracticalities of some of Glasgows streets to have parked cars, and i.e. buses travelling their lengths similataneously, we will never resolve the problems that currently exist.
Park And Ride options / facilities must be placed far higher on the agenda, and the option of 'Bus Corridors' in some areas, must again be looked at.
This is about more than residents rights to park their cars where they want to.
This is about city dwellers making serious choices about just how practical, cost effective, environmentally friendly? or feasible it is to drive in and around the city. ( especially during short journeys.)
We cannot continue with the massive scale of developments, apartments, flats, housing projects etc being built in and around the city - and not expect people to find cheaper / free ways to park their cars en - route to work.
Nor, can we expect the volume of traffic on roads to get any less if everytime new developments are built car ownership is allowed.
This is about a far wider problem in the city - 'Parking Bays' was just one very small solution in the far bigger picture of things.
Posted by: 2for1, Glasgow on 11:14am Fri 10 Oct 08
"However, we said when the consultation was announced that we would listen to the views of the public and we are absolutely going to do that and will action what the public have told us they want."
OMG!!! How many times have we heard this from Labour!?!?!? AND THEY DID IT!!! I hear angels singing and... yes... is that.... the clouds... they are parting and the sun is coming through!!! Its... a... miracle!!!
Sorry.... drifted out of reality there! This should be headline news... a Labour drone who listened to the people! Too late punk, yer party's on the way out! Pitty you didnt do this 10 years ago and saved this city from turning into a cesspit!
Expect Mr Booth to be summoned to Mr Purcell's office for a telling off... [italic]"Glasgow City Council is not here to listen to it's residents! We're here to screw the residents... not serve them! Now, adopt the possition... it's time for your punnishment..."[/italic]
2f1
[italic]Suprisingly imaginative for someone not long out of bed![/italic]
"However, we said when the consultation was announced that we would listen to the views of the public and we are absolutely going to do that and will action what the public have told us they want."
OMG!!! How many times have we heard this from Labour!?!?!? AND THEY DID IT!!! I hear angels singing and... yes... is that.... the clouds... they are parting and the sun is coming through!!! Its... a... miracle!!!
Sorry.... drifted out of reality there! This should be headline news... a Labour drone who listened to the people! Too late punk, yer party's on the way out! Pitty you didnt do this 10 years ago and saved this city from turning into a cesspit!
Expect Mr Booth to be summoned to Mr Purcell's office for a telling off...
"Glasgow City Council is not here to listen to it's residents! We're here to screw the residents... not serve them! Now, adopt the possition... it's time for your punnishment..."
2f1
Suprisingly imaginative for someone not long out of bed! Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 11:16am Fri 10 Oct 08
Robert Booth on another planet? Your asking people if they want to be robbed of £50.00 a year for the rest of their life. The above statement from Mr Booth is a worry, they have most certainly been helded by market forces, out-right toryism and the unkind capatalistic views now so clear in New Labour. What is that director of a Glasgow City Council department on? most surely be a mind altering drug? Does printing a small piece of paper that reads "resident's parking permit" cost £50.00 a year?
Robert Booth on another planet? Your asking people if they want to be robbed of £50.00 a year for the rest of their life. The above statement from Mr Booth is a worry, they have most certainly been helded by market forces, out-right toryism and the unkind capatalistic views now so clear in New Labour. What is that director of a Glasgow City Council department on? most surely be a mind altering drug? Does printing a small piece of paper that reads "resident's parking permit" cost £50.00 a year?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:16am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
Robert Booth said [quote]"We now have other priorities. I am not saying we will never review parking in these areas but it will not be at the top of our agenda."[/quote] Who's throwing his toys out of the pram then LOL[/quote]
Here here!
As much as Robert Booth says his spiels to some of the still gullible public, the totally unconvincing nature of him, and all the other Labour cronies means he's probably in a complete strop & anything but pleased with this latest result.
can just picture him & other labour councillors having a tantrum & rolling about the floor/s of the city chambers - LOL ;-)
mulross wrote:
Robert Booth said "We now have other priorities. I am not saying we will never review parking in these areas but it will not be at the top of our agenda."
Who's throwing his toys out of the pram then LOL
Here here!
As much as Robert Booth says his spiels to some of the still gullible public, the totally unconvincing nature of him, and all the other Labour cronies means he's probably in a complete strop & anything but pleased with this latest result.
can just picture him & other labour councillors having a tantrum & rolling about the floor/s of the city chambers - LOL ;-)
Posted by: KB, Glasgow on 11:19am Fri 10 Oct 08
A victory for the Bearsden/Milgavie commuters.
[italic][bold]"Come to the West-End for free parking - All welcome."[/bold][/italic]
A victory for the Bearsden/Milgavie commuters.
"Come to the West-End for free parking - All welcome." Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:20am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: And, I did it single handedly. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-) [/quote] You beat me to it - ever so slighlty ;-)[/quote]
Aye, missing city - [italic]"if yer no fast, yer last!"[/italic]Good to see you adding to his see I told you so debate!
Nothing is ever a surprise anymore, when it comes to what people want / don't want.
Folk can see right though these numpty politicians / councillors thinning skulls, into their hot-air-heads.
The Missing City wrote:
People Power wrote: And, I did it single handedly. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-)
You beat me to it - ever so slighlty ;-)
Aye, missing city -
"if yer no fast, yer last!"Good to see you adding to his see I told you so debate!
Nothing is ever a surprise anymore, when it comes to what people want / don't want.
Folk can see right though these numpty politicians / councillors thinning skulls, into their hot-air-heads.
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 11:22am Fri 10 Oct 08
Selfish motorists of the world victory is ours.
Come to the west end where you can park where you like when you like for free and hang any inconvenience or danger for local residents.
Selfish motorists of the world victory is ours.
Come to the west end where you can park where you like when you like for free and hang any inconvenience or danger for local residents.
Posted by: robertgrey, Glasgow on 11:30am Fri 10 Oct 08
Interesting that people are saying the terms of the proposal were wrong; because the consultation letter I received made it pretty clear there was no detailed proposal - it was asking if people wanted to see proposals drawn up, which would then come back for consultation.
Anyway. I voted for controls and I'm not getting them so, naturally, I'm quite disappointed.
I've only recently had to get a car again and parking is a real struggle. I'd gladly pay a pound a week to see the scrum tilt slightly in favour of local residents.
The idea that I have some divine right to park for free outside my home isn't one I subscribe to.
Interesting that people are saying the terms of the proposal were wrong; because the consultation letter I received made it pretty clear there was no detailed proposal - it was asking if people wanted to see proposals drawn up, which would then come back for consultation.
Anyway. I voted for controls and I'm not getting them so, naturally, I'm quite disappointed.
I've only recently had to get a car again and parking is a real struggle. I'd gladly pay a pound a week to see the scrum tilt slightly in favour of local residents.
The idea that I have some divine right to park for free outside my home isn't one I subscribe to.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:32am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]He said: "I think there is the likelihood there will be uproar when this is announced in the Evening Times.[/quote]
Hahahahahaha. The silence is deafening.
He said: "I think there is the likelihood there will be uproar when this is announced in the Evening Times.
Hahahahahaha. The silence is deafening.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:36am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
[quote]He said: "I think there is the likelihood there will be uproar when this is announced in the Evening Times.[/quote] Hahahahahaha. The silence is deafening.[/quote]
Aye,
Stewie, the only uproar is in George Square, where they now know their not going to be able to fill their black hole, or more likely their brown envelopes with our cash - hear bleeds for them.
People power - I'd say its more like People gumption, and common sense. We're not daft, or saft & we know a rip off when we see one.
Stewie Griffin wrote:
He said: "I think there is the likelihood there will be uproar when this is announced in the Evening Times.
Hahahahahaha. The silence is deafening.
Aye,
Stewie, the only uproar is in George Square, where they now know their not going to be able to fill their black hole, or more likely their brown envelopes with our cash - hear bleeds for them.
People power - I'd say its more like People gumption, and common sense. We're not daft, or saft & we know a rip off when we see one.
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 11:36am Fri 10 Oct 08
Forgive me for being cynical but this will no doubt mean that there will be huge inflation busting increases at every other Council-owned car park and parking meter everywhere else in the city to pay for this.
Not that I begrudge Westenders their free parking space - I've got mates living there that face this problem on a daily basis, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Forgive me for being cynical but this will no doubt mean that there will be huge inflation busting increases at every other Council-owned car park and parking meter everywhere else in the city to pay for this.
Not that I begrudge Westenders their free parking space - I've got mates living there that face this problem on a daily basis, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 11:39am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]leesome[/bold] wrote:
Robert Booth on another planet? Your asking people if they want to be robbed of £50.00 a year for the rest of their life. The above statement from Mr Booth is a worry, they have most certainly been helded by market forces, out-right toryism and the unkind capatalistic views now so clear in New Labour. What is that director of a Glasgow City Council department on? most surely be a mind altering drug? Does printing a small piece of paper that reads "resident's parking permit" cost £50.00 a year? [/quote] Answer yes its GCC were talking about,they would tell you they would need to employ 5 people on 25 grand a year to run this scheme you couldn,t make this labour mob up.
leesome wrote:
Robert Booth on another planet? Your asking people if they want to be robbed of £50.00 a year for the rest of their life. The above statement from Mr Booth is a worry, they have most certainly been helded by market forces, out-right toryism and the unkind capatalistic views now so clear in New Labour. What is that director of a Glasgow City Council department on? most surely be a mind altering drug? Does printing a small piece of paper that reads "resident's parking permit" cost £50.00 a year?
Answer yes its GCC were talking about,they would tell you they would need to employ 5 people on 25 grand a year to run this scheme you couldn,t make this labour mob up.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 11:43am Fri 10 Oct 08
"In the South Side they found people in both Battlefield and Mount Florida were against restrictions."
I don't have a car so it only affects me when I hire one occasionally or friends visit me and can't park in my street 9 times out of 10.
But it is a shame about the resistance because Mount Florida Station, the college, hospital and Hampden Park stadium do mean commuters and visitors do choke up the already crowded parking along many streets that bound them.
So it looks like car owners would rather not pay a modest sum for a permit despite the great difficulty they must experience when trying to park outside their properties whereas I just wheel my bicycle into the tenement...
"In the South Side they found people in both Battlefield and Mount Florida were against restrictions."
I don't have a car so it only affects me when I hire one occasionally or friends visit me and can't park in my street 9 times out of 10.
But it is a shame about the resistance because Mount Florida Station, the college, hospital and Hampden Park stadium do mean commuters and visitors do choke up the already crowded parking along many streets that bound them.
So it looks like car owners would rather not pay a modest sum for a permit despite the great difficulty they must experience when trying to park outside their properties whereas I just wheel my bicycle into the tenement...
Posted by: robertgrey, Glasgow on 11:54am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SPAMALOT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]leesome[/bold] wrote: Robert Booth on another planet? Your asking people if they want to be robbed of £50.00 a year for the rest of their life. The above statement from Mr Booth is a worry, they have most certainly been helded by market forces, out-right toryism and the unkind capatalistic views now so clear in New Labour. What is that director of a Glasgow City Council department on? most surely be a mind altering drug? Does printing a small piece of paper that reads "resident's parking permit" cost £50.00 a year? [/quote] Answer yes its GCC were talking about,they would tell you they would need to employ 5 people on 25 grand a year to run this scheme you couldn,t make this labour mob up.[/quote] You're quite right. I imagine the design of the schemes, the legal work and the new parking meters and markings is handled by an army of benevolent nocturnal creatures that have secretly trained as engineers.
And wardens work for free because they get aroused by hostility and like the jackets.
SPAMALOT wrote:
leesome wrote: Robert Booth on another planet? Your asking people if they want to be robbed of £50.00 a year for the rest of their life. The above statement from Mr Booth is a worry, they have most certainly been helded by market forces, out-right toryism and the unkind capatalistic views now so clear in New Labour. What is that director of a Glasgow City Council department on? most surely be a mind altering drug? Does printing a small piece of paper that reads "resident's parking permit" cost £50.00 a year?
Answer yes its GCC were talking about,they would tell you they would need to employ 5 people on 25 grand a year to run this scheme you couldn,t make this labour mob up.
You're quite right. I imagine the design of the schemes, the legal work and the new parking meters and markings is handled by an army of benevolent nocturnal creatures that have secretly trained as engineers.
And wardens work for free because they get aroused by hostility and like the jackets.
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 11:55am Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
And, I did it single handedly.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-)
[/quote] Hahahahaha....People Power for Provost LOL!!!
People Power wrote:
And, I did it single handedly.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! LOL ;-)
Hahahahaha....People Power for Provost LOL!!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:03pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added:
[quote]A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.[/quote]
Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song:
[bold]YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!![/bold]
Lah-dee-dah...
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added:
A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.
Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song:
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
Lah-dee-dah...
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Posted by: jefstewa, govan on 12:08pm Fri 10 Oct 08
People Power for first minister!!!! lol well done big chap!!
People Power for first minister!!!! lol well done big chap!!
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:24pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song:
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
Lah-dee-dah...[/quote]
LOL - that's what I thought as well when I read that.
Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song:
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
Lah-dee-dah...
LOL - that's what I thought as well when I read that.
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 12:30pm Fri 10 Oct 08
I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.
I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 12:44pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote:
I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.[/quote] But then the West-endies would have to buy more cars in order to get to work...
I do see your point - I'd have prefered parking permits to be introduced in the Mount Florida/Battlefield area because of the impact of commuters, football/concert visitors and so on but the residents voted against this and the council respected their preference.
Lowflo wrote:
I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.
But then the West-endies would have to buy more cars in order to get to work...
I do see your point - I'd have prefered parking permits to be introduced in the Mount Florida/Battlefield area because of the impact of commuters, football/concert visitors and so on but the residents voted against this and the council respected their preference.
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 12:50pm Fri 10 Oct 08
It's quite surprising to see the council actually undertake a consultation exercise then largely follow the results. Even if these graceless fuds quoted in the article can't recognise that lots of people don't share the council's regulate-administer-
enforce-spend approach to solving any particular problem.
It's quite surprising to see the council actually undertake a consultation exercise then largely follow the results. Even if these graceless fuds quoted in the article can't recognise that lots of people don't share the council's regulate-administer-
enforce-spend approach to solving any particular problem.
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 12:57pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Maybe it's just me, but I don't actually believe the concil when they say that people here in the West End voted for parking restrictions, Just over 10,000 returned forms and then that divided into 34 areas,they manage to come up with their 3 [bold]sizable[/bold] zones. It just doesn't compute.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't actually believe the concil when they say that people here in the West End voted for parking restrictions, Just over 10,000 returned forms and then that divided into 34 areas,they manage to come up with their 3
sizable zones. It just doesn't compute.
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 1:06pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote: I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.[/quote] But then the West-endies would have to buy more cars in order to get to work... I do see your point - I'd have prefered parking permits to be introduced in the Mount Florida/Battlefield area because of the impact of commuters, football/concert visitors and so on but the residents voted against this and the council respected their preference.[/quote] A lot of (your phrase) West-endies don't have cars. Please don't make assumptions based on whatever. I wouldn't dare to assume I know what problems you have in your neck of the woods. Most of the cars parked here are because the Council allows more and more licensed premises to open up and to make Byres Road a 'Leisure Destination' So nice to catch the subway into town to work and then stop of for a drink before driving home. Please can we have more police waiting for them when they head back west?
bluey wrote:
Lowflo wrote: I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.
But then the West-endies would have to buy more cars in order to get to work... I do see your point - I'd have prefered parking permits to be introduced in the Mount Florida/Battlefield area because of the impact of commuters, football/concert visitors and so on but the residents voted against this and the council respected their preference.
A lot of (your phrase) West-endies don't have cars. Please don't make assumptions based on whatever. I wouldn't dare to assume I know what problems you have in your neck of the woods. Most of the cars parked here are because the Council allows more and more licensed premises to open up and to make Byres Road a 'Leisure Destination' So nice to catch the subway into town to work and then stop of for a drink before driving home. Please can we have more police waiting for them when they head back west?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 1:07pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]stmonan[/bold] wrote:
It's quite surprising to see the council actually undertake a consultation exercise then largely follow the results. Even if these graceless fuds quoted in the article can't recognise that lots of people don't share the council's regulate-administer-
enforce-spend approach to solving any particular problem.
[/quote] It WAS surprising, but after they were caught with their pants down over the silly 'consultation' about Pollok Park (where they got schoolkids to fill in the forms), they really had no option... and they probably thought with the ET 'behind' them (or at least not against), it would be a 'Enduring Freedom' style walkover!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
stmonan wrote:
It's quite surprising to see the council actually undertake a consultation exercise then largely follow the results. Even if these graceless fuds quoted in the article can't recognise that lots of people don't share the council's regulate-administer-
enforce-spend approach to solving any particular problem.
It WAS surprising, but after they were caught with their pants down over the silly 'consultation' about Pollok Park (where they got schoolkids to fill in the forms), they really had no option... and they probably thought with the ET 'behind' them (or at least not against), it would be a 'Enduring Freedom' style walkover!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: calamero, Glasgow on 1:11pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Looking like a bit of a learning curve on democracy for the councillors and the council. Only votes cast count and it's unhealthy only to speak with a small clique or you miss out the general feeling.
Looking like a bit of a learning curve on democracy for the councillors and the council. Only votes cast count and it's unhealthy only to speak with a small clique or you miss out the general feeling.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 1:26pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't actually believe the concil when they say that people here in the West End voted for parking restrictions, Just over 10,000 returned forms and then that divided into 34 areas,they manage to come up with their 3 [bold]sizable[/bold] zones. It just doesn't compute.[/quote] I do believe them (in [bold]this[/bold] instance) as I know a number of people who voted for the proposals in one of these zones and there were loads of people who did not bother to vote. The zone in question already has parking controls in some of the streets (which has exacerbated the problem in adjoining streets) so it doesn't really surprise me that they got a yes vote in that zone.
The bottom line is though that parking restrictions in certain streets merely shifts the problem.
Lowflo wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't actually believe the concil when they say that people here in the West End voted for parking restrictions, Just over 10,000 returned forms and then that divided into 34 areas,they manage to come up with their 3 sizable zones. It just doesn't compute.
I do believe them (in
this instance) as I know a number of people who voted for the proposals in one of these zones and there were loads of people who did not bother to vote. The zone in question already has parking controls in some of the streets (which has exacerbated the problem in adjoining streets) so it doesn't really surprise me that they got a yes vote in that zone.
The bottom line is though that parking restrictions in certain streets merely shifts the problem.
Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 1:36pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - [bold]they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be...[/bold] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Flaming Sydney,
In spite of all the posters who would like you just to SHUT UP, I would always vote to keep your BIG MOUTH open. Empty vessels etc.
You are just tooooo FUNNY!
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Flaming Sydney,
In spite of all the posters who would like you just to SHUT UP, I would always vote to keep your BIG MOUTH open. Empty vessels etc.
You are just tooooo FUNNY!
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:41pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote: I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.[/quote] But then the West-endies would have to buy more cars in order to get to work... I do see your point - I'd have prefered parking permits to be introduced in the Mount Florida/Battlefield area because of the impact of commuters, football/concert visitors and so on but the residents voted against this and the council respected their preference.[/quote] A lot of (your phrase) West-endies don't have cars. Please don't make assumptions based on whatever. I wouldn't dare to assume I know what problems you have in your neck of the woods. Most of the cars parked here are because the Council allows more and more licensed premises to open up and to make Byres Road a 'Leisure Destination' So nice to catch the subway into town to work and then stop of for a drink before driving home. Please can we have more police waiting for them when they head back west?[/quote] Feel free to dare to suggest reasons for the crowded parking in the southside - assumptions are welcome by those that don't live in the actual geographical locations.
So in your opinion, the majority of 'residents living in the West end of Glasgow' aren't car owners and the parking congestion is simply the result of visitors to the area?
And nothing to do with the fact that the width of each tenement, typically containing 8 flats and perhaps averaging 2 adults per flat) may have space for 2 or 3 cars parked outside while many tenements have more than this number of car owners.
In my tenement in Mount Florida which does contain 8 flats and 15 adults there are 6 car owners (until recently there were 7). It is 50 yards away from the train station that takes 10 minutes to get into the city centre, much the same way as Hillhead underground.
It's logistics like this in areas with a high density of tenements that cause parking constraints.
Lowflo wrote:
bluey wrote: Lowflo wrote: I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.
But then the West-endies would have to buy more cars in order to get to work... I do see your point - I'd have prefered parking permits to be introduced in the Mount Florida/Battlefield area because of the impact of commuters, football/concert visitors and so on but the residents voted against this and the council respected their preference.
A lot of (your phrase) West-endies don't have cars. Please don't make assumptions based on whatever. I wouldn't dare to assume I know what problems you have in your neck of the woods. Most of the cars parked here are because the Council allows more and more licensed premises to open up and to make Byres Road a 'Leisure Destination' So nice to catch the subway into town to work and then stop of for a drink before driving home. Please can we have more police waiting for them when they head back west?
Feel free to dare to suggest reasons for the crowded parking in the southside - assumptions are welcome by those that don't live in the actual geographical locations.
So in your opinion, the majority of 'residents living in the West end of Glasgow' aren't car owners and the parking congestion is simply the result of visitors to the area?
And nothing to do with the fact that the width of each tenement, typically containing 8 flats and perhaps averaging 2 adults per flat) may have space for 2 or 3 cars parked outside while many tenements have more than this number of car owners.
In my tenement in Mount Florida which does contain 8 flats and 15 adults there are 6 car owners (until recently there were 7). It is 50 yards away from the train station that takes 10 minutes to get into the city centre, much the same way as Hillhead underground.
It's logistics like this in areas with a high density of tenements that cause parking constraints.
Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 1:46pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added: [quote]A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.[/quote] Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song: [bold]YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!![/bold] Lah-dee-dah... -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Falming Sydeny,
I find you once again hysterically funny.
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
YOU NEVER RESPOND when challenged to offer alternatives to that which you criticise.
Lah-dee-dah....
Are you in a singing mood because it's Friday and Bennet's beckons?
Don't forget your own advice, "before going to Bennets....check your bikini line."
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added: A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.
Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song: YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!! Lah-dee-dah... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Falming Sydeny,
I find you once again hysterically funny.
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
YOU NEVER RESPOND when challenged to offer alternatives to that which you criticise.
Lah-dee-dah....
Are you in a singing mood because it's Friday and Bennet's beckons?
Don't forget your own advice, "before going to Bennets....check your bikini line."
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 1:49pm Fri 10 Oct 08
LOL LOL Fame at last P.P.!!!
LOL LOL Fame at last P.P.!!!
Posted by: Deauville, City Centre on 1:50pm Fri 10 Oct 08
This is not about traffic control and easing congestion for local residents - it's about the Council finding another way to get more money out of Glaswegians for sod all in return. I'm glad the people in these areas have had the choice to pay £50 a year - beacuse as a resident of Garnethill, nobody asked me if I wanted to pay £135 a year to park near my own house. So will the Garnethill scheme be scrapped or reduced? I doubt it. Or will the money be used to fund extra police patrols to protect resident's vehicles from the constant vandalism and theft? A snowball's chance. I'm so sick of being exploited by this corrupt council.
This is not about traffic control and easing congestion for local residents - it's about the Council finding another way to get more money out of Glaswegians for sod all in return. I'm glad the people in these areas have had the choice to pay £50 a year - beacuse as a resident of Garnethill, nobody asked me if I wanted to pay £135 a year to park near my own house. So will the Garnethill scheme be scrapped or reduced? I doubt it. Or will the money be used to fund extra police patrols to protect resident's vehicles from the constant vandalism and theft? A snowball's chance. I'm so sick of being exploited by this corrupt council.
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 2:12pm Fri 10 Oct 08
"So in your opinion, the majority of 'residents living in the West end of Glasgow' aren't car owners and the parking congestion is simply the result of visitors to the area?"
Another assumption by Bluey-- " And nothing to do with the fact that the width of each tenement, typically containing 8 flats and perhaps averaging 2 adults per flat) may have space for 2 or 3 cars parked outside while many tenements have more than this number of car owners"
----- I am not talking about the entire West End just one zone! This area isn't all tenements! [bold]Don't assume[/bold] !
"So in your opinion, the majority of 'residents living in the West end of Glasgow' aren't car owners and the parking congestion is simply the result of visitors to the area?"
Another assumption by Bluey-- " And nothing to do with the fact that the width of each tenement, typically containing 8 flats and perhaps averaging 2 adults per flat) may have space for 2 or 3 cars parked outside while many tenements have more than this number of car owners"
----- I am not talking about the entire West End just one zone! This area isn't all tenements!
Don't assume !
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 2:33pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote:
"So in your opinion, the majority of 'residents living in the West end of Glasgow' aren't car owners and the parking congestion is simply the result of visitors to the area?" Another assumption by Bluey-- " And nothing to do with the fact that the width of each tenement, typically containing 8 flats and perhaps averaging 2 adults per flat) may have space for 2 or 3 cars parked outside while many tenements have more than this number of car owners" ----- I am not talking about the entire West End just one zone! This area isn't all tenements! [bold]Don't assume[/bold] ! [/quote] Agreed. The whole of the general west end area is not filled with tenements but it's not exactly chocca with towerblocks and detached houses, is it?.
The area that is walking distance to Hillhead station for the purpose of commuting is very densely populated with tenements or blocks of modern flats.
The three zones in the West End that the council have chosen for parking restrictions also majority of streets where the majority of properties are tenements or blocks of modern flats....
It's not exactly awash with properties with garages and off-street parking, is it?
Lowflo wrote:
"So in your opinion, the majority of 'residents living in the West end of Glasgow' aren't car owners and the parking congestion is simply the result of visitors to the area?" Another assumption by Bluey-- " And nothing to do with the fact that the width of each tenement, typically containing 8 flats and perhaps averaging 2 adults per flat) may have space for 2 or 3 cars parked outside while many tenements have more than this number of car owners" ----- I am not talking about the entire West End just one zone! This area isn't all tenements! Don't assume !
Agreed. The whole of the general west end area is not filled with tenements but it's not exactly chocca with towerblocks and detached houses, is it?.
The area that is walking distance to Hillhead station for the purpose of commuting is very densely populated with tenements or blocks of modern flats.
The three zones in the West End that the council have chosen for parking restrictions also majority of streets where the majority of properties are tenements or blocks of modern flats....
It's not exactly awash with properties with garages and off-street parking, is it?
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 2:48pm Fri 10 Oct 08
As I have said before Council Consultations are a "done deal" and only a token gesture to assuage the fevered brows of those who think democracy is at work here. A Council Official did tell me some months back that it really doesn't matter what we think, they'll go ahead and do it anyway. So enough: I now have work to do and also try to set aside time to counter the Council's next consultative process.
As I have said before Council Consultations are a "done deal" and only a token gesture to assuage the fevered brows of those who think democracy is at work here. A Council Official did tell me some months back that it really doesn't matter what we think, they'll go ahead and do it anyway. So enough: I now have work to do and also try to set aside time to counter the Council's next consultative process.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:54pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]George Square[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added: [quote]A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.[/quote] Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song: [bold]YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!![/bold] Lah-dee-dah... -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Falming Sydeny,
I find you once again hysterically funny.
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
YOU NEVER RESPOND when challenged to offer alternatives to that which you criticise.
Lah-dee-dah....
Are you in a singing mood because it's Friday and Bennet's beckons?
Don't forget your own advice, "before going to Bennets....check your bikini line." [/quote] Nice to know I upset you enough for you to remember, it can't be easy when you've got a brain the size of a garden pea... what's the matter, does it still rile you... come on show me how much it has upset you over these weeks...
Come on you can tell your uncle Sydney... [bold];-)[/bold]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
George Square wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added: A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.
Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song: YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!! Lah-dee-dah... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Falming Sydeny,
I find you once again hysterically funny.
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!
YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!!
YOU NEVER RESPOND when challenged to offer alternatives to that which you criticise.
Lah-dee-dah....
Are you in a singing mood because it's Friday and Bennet's beckons?
Don't forget your own advice, "before going to Bennets....check your bikini line."
Nice to know I upset you enough for you to remember, it can't be easy when you've got a brain the size of a garden pea... what's the matter, does it still rile you... come on show me how much it has upset you over these weeks...
Come on you can tell your uncle Sydney...
;-)
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Harry, Glasgow on 3:33pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Presumably it would be far to costly (to the council) to issue free parking passes to the residents but really hammer the daytime parkers with steep parking charges..... perhaps that might even force some of them on to public transport.
Part of the reason so many Bearsden & Milngavie commuters seek to park in the west end is because they drive to their nearest railway station only to find the station car parks full if they arrive after 8a.m. For several years a new station with large car parking area has been suggested at Allander Sports Centre, using much pre existing infrasructure, but political incorrectness regarding the fact that car parking is required has out this on the back burner.. in fact I think the gas has long since been disconnected.
Presumably it would be far to costly (to the council) to issue free parking passes to the residents but really hammer the daytime parkers with steep parking charges..... perhaps that might even force some of them on to public transport.
Part of the reason so many Bearsden & Milngavie commuters seek to park in the west end is because they drive to their nearest railway station only to find the station car parks full if they arrive after 8a.m. For several years a new station with large car parking area has been suggested at Allander Sports Centre, using much pre existing infrasructure, but political incorrectness regarding the fact that car parking is required has out this on the back burner.. in fact I think the gas has long since been disconnected.
Posted by: Sally Doran, Glasgow on 3:46pm Fri 10 Oct 08
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 3:58pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George Square[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added: [quote]A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.[/quote] Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song: [bold]YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!![/bold] Lah-dee-dah... -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Falming Sydeny, I find you once again hysterically funny. YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!! YOU NEVER RESPOND when challenged to offer alternatives to that which you criticise. Lah-dee-dah.... Are you in a singing mood because it's Friday and Bennet's beckons? Don't forget your own advice, "before going to Bennets....check your bikini line." [/quote] Nice to know I upset you enough for you to remember, it can't be easy when you've got a brain the size of a garden pea... what's the matter, does it still rile you... come on show me how much it has upset you over these weeks... Come on you can tell your uncle Sydney... [bold];-)[/bold] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Flaming Sydney,
That's a very poor effort even for you!
That's defintitely NOT worth a badge at your next Brownie meeting or even a Waggon Wheel in your playpiece on Monday.
But as I said earlier, it's Friday and Bennet's is obviously on your mind, whatever size it is.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
George Square wrote: Sydney Meriwether wrote: Roads spokesman Ruth Simpson added: A return of almost one third of the questionnaires is not bad but in reality, very few people have had their say.
Oh, here we go again... are we to be treated to another chorus of Ruth's Song: YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!! Lah-dee-dah... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Falming Sydeny, I find you once again hysterically funny. YOU DID NOT RESPOND! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!! YOU DID NOT RESPOND!!! YOU NEVER RESPOND when challenged to offer alternatives to that which you criticise. Lah-dee-dah.... Are you in a singing mood because it's Friday and Bennet's beckons? Don't forget your own advice, "before going to Bennets....check your bikini line."
Nice to know I upset you enough for you to remember, it can't be easy when you've got a brain the size of a garden pea... what's the matter, does it still rile you... come on show me how much it has upset you over these weeks... Come on you can tell your uncle Sydney... ;-) -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Flaming Sydney,
That's a very poor effort even for you!
That's defintitely NOT worth a badge at your next Brownie meeting or even a Waggon Wheel in your playpiece on Monday.
But as I said earlier, it's Friday and Bennet's is obviously on your mind, whatever size it is.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:01pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.[/quote] 'Sally' you kind of had me there - I wavered towards the end with the "what price" bit - but it was the strapline at the end which convinced me that you are a plant (no, not the ones which you now claim to see in your abundant green wilderness)... it was the:
[quote]free parking is a free for all[/quote]
[bold]Pure PR fiction!!![/bold]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Sally Doran wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
'Sally' you kind of had me there - I wavered towards the end with the "what price" bit - but it was the strapline at the end which convinced me that you are a plant (no, not the ones which you now claim to see in your abundant green wilderness)... it was the:
free parking is a free for all
Pure PR fiction!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:05pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]Pure PR fiction!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/quote]
There's an irony there...
Pure PR fiction!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
There's an irony there...
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 4:05pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.[/quote] Well said Sally. It seems many in the West End would prefer their public space to serve only as a car park with all the inconvenience and disruption it brings.
Se we are going to have to suffer the inconveniences you are rid of all because selfish car owners wont stump up less than a quid per week.
Sally Doran wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
Well said Sally. It seems many in the West End would prefer their public space to serve only as a car park with all the inconvenience and disruption it brings.
Se we are going to have to suffer the inconveniences you are rid of all because selfish car owners wont stump up less than a quid per week.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 4:08pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Perhaps now we could have a consultation on whether to remove pay and display conditions from the car parks at the end of Bell Street,these were created under the gear project and used to be free;now that the council tries to charge people for them nobody uses them and they lie empty all day.
Perhaps now we could have a consultation on whether to remove pay and display conditions from the car parks at the end of Bell Street,these were created under the gear project and used to be free;now that the council tries to charge people for them nobody uses them and they lie empty all day.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:18pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Darren Wood[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.[/quote] Well said Sally. It seems many in the West End would prefer their public space to serve only as a car park with all the inconvenience and disruption it brings.
Se we are going to have to suffer the inconveniences you are rid of all because selfish car owners wont stump up less than a quid per week.
[/quote] Eh, yes... it's called democracy!
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[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Darren Wood wrote:
Sally Doran wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
Well said Sally. It seems many in the West End would prefer their public space to serve only as a car park with all the inconvenience and disruption it brings.
Se we are going to have to suffer the inconveniences you are rid of all because selfish car owners wont stump up less than a quid per week.
Eh, yes... it's called democracy!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 4:19pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote:
I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.[/quote] are you mentally deranged or what !!!!!!!!
Lowflo wrote:
I just feel sick; Another tax on the home owner in the West End because of commuters from Bearsden and the like. Solve the problem; close Hillhead Subway Station! that would sort out the parking problem here.
are you mentally deranged or what !!!!!!!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:20pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Pure PR fiction!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/quote]
There's an irony there...[/quote] Yes, kind of thought that myself!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Pete wrote:
Pure PR fiction!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
There's an irony there...
Yes, kind of thought that myself!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 4:37pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Although I GENUINELY feel sympathy for some residents of the affcected areas, might I make an observation?
Tough, I`m going to anyway.
As has already been pointed out, the West End in particular has an over abundence of "public transport". It is therefor illogical to own a car in this area (except maybe the coffin dodgers and the REAL disabled).
Another idea is buy somewhere with a driveway!!!!
The West End and other parts of the city were never designed with car ownership in mind, so why did so many people who SHOULD have realised this fact, buy/rent properties in these areas.
"Convenient for work" will be the cry for most ... IF THATS THE CASE WHY THE FECK DO YOU NEED A CAR?????????
Having moved out of the city, commuting was certainly quicker when the other half worked in the City Centre.
Drumchapel to West Street could take anything from 40 minutes to just over an hour. And that was 10 years ago. A longer journey took 25 minutes .... no traffic lights, no aggressive drivers, no maniacs cutting you off, not having to watch out for red light jumpers ... so less stressfull too.
I now can park both the van and our car right outside my front door ( one of these days I really WILL resurface the driveway!!!!!).
One last point. There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Although I GENUINELY feel sympathy for some residents of the affcected areas, might I make an observation?
Tough, I`m going to anyway.
As has already been pointed out, the West End in particular has an over abundence of "public transport". It is therefor illogical to own a car in this area (except maybe the coffin dodgers and the REAL disabled).
Another idea is buy somewhere with a driveway!!!!
The West End and other parts of the city were never designed with car ownership in mind, so why did so many people who SHOULD have realised this fact, buy/rent properties in these areas.
"Convenient for work" will be the cry for most ... IF THATS THE CASE WHY THE FECK DO YOU NEED A CAR?????????
Having moved out of the city, commuting was certainly quicker when the other half worked in the City Centre.
Drumchapel to West Street could take anything from 40 minutes to just over an hour. And that was 10 years ago. A longer journey took 25 minutes .... no traffic lights, no aggressive drivers, no maniacs cutting you off, not having to watch out for red light jumpers ... so less stressfull too.
I now can park both the van and our car right outside my front door ( one of these days I really WILL resurface the driveway!!!!!).
One last point. There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 4:43pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Well said Sally and thank you for taking the time to describe the difference it has made to you and your area.
Like Darren and others, I too would be happy to pay less than 14p per day to have what Sally has.
My area narrowly voted No 48% Yes 43% Don't know 9%. As it is next to the Western General we may be consulted again?
Anyone wishing to campaign for the issue to be considered again should get together.
Well said Sally and thank you for taking the time to describe the difference it has made to you and your area.
Like Darren and others, I too would be happy to pay less than 14p per day to have what Sally has.
My area narrowly voted No 48% Yes 43% Don't know 9%. As it is next to the Western General we may be consulted again?
Anyone wishing to campaign for the issue to be considered again should get together.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 4:50pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Nice to see a reprieve for the "blue badge holders" with their 4x4`s and 2 door sports cars.
Nice to see a reprieve for the "blue badge holders" with their 4x4`s and 2 door sports cars.
Posted by: mophead, hyndland on 4:52pm Fri 10 Oct 08
I live in the west end (Hyndland) and I voted against charges. Why? Because the perceived problem is upside down, and the introduction of permits won't solve it. Commuters or park-and-riders do [italic]not[/italic] take all the spaces, it's us residents, but at night only. There's [italic]no problem at all[/italic] finding a parking space in the Dudley/Airlie/Polwar
th/Lauderdale ladder during the day, because so many of the locals drive to work. It's after 7pm at night that parking becomes almost impossible; after that time I usually have to leave my car on Clarence Drive opposite the school and move it the next morning, before the 8am restriction, to a space that a local has just left.
But I choose to live here, I know getting a space at night is hard, but I always get one in the end, and if I have to walk a wee bit from where I'm parked to my house, well, tough - that's life and I deal with it.
To me, permits were just a council money-grab as badly thought-out and ill-advised as the hospitals' parking charges. Would they free up spaces when they're really needed (i.e. at night when everyone's home)? Of course not. As far as I am concerned the council can go and get stuffed, and I for one am delighted with our vote for them to do just that.
I live in the west end (Hyndland) and I voted against charges. Why? Because the perceived problem is upside down, and the introduction of permits won't solve it. Commuters or park-and-riders do
not take all the spaces, it's us residents, but at night only. There's
no problem at all finding a parking space in the Dudley/Airlie/Polwar
th/Lauderdale ladder during the day, because so many of the locals drive to work. It's after 7pm at night that parking becomes almost impossible; after that time I usually have to leave my car on Clarence Drive opposite the school and move it the next morning, before the 8am restriction, to a space that a local has just left.
But I choose to live here, I know getting a space at night is hard, but I always get one in the end, and if I have to walk a wee bit from where I'm parked to my house, well, tough - that's life and I deal with it.
To me, permits were just a council money-grab as badly thought-out and ill-advised as the hospitals' parking charges. Would they free up spaces when they're really needed (i.e. at night when everyone's home)? Of course not. As far as I am concerned the council can go and get stuffed, and I for one am delighted with our vote for them to do just that.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 4:53pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote]
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been [bold]born[/bold] in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been
born in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 4:55pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.[/quote] Must agree with you Sally, but the council should be giving you your permit for free and another way to stop the freeloaders,who if you parked outside their door would be phoning the police to have you removed is to make the parking limit 30 minutes with no return to the same street for 4 hours and they will disappear quite easily or maybe just let their tyres down every day they,ll soon move.
Sally Doran wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
Must agree with you Sally, but the council should be giving you your permit for free and another way to stop the freeloaders,who if you parked outside their door would be phoning the police to have you removed is to make the parking limit 30 minutes with no return to the same street for 4 hours and they will disappear quite easily or maybe just let their tyres down every day they,ll soon move.
Posted by: Sally Doran, Glasgow on 5:00pm Fri 10 Oct 08
I now remember why I don't post, you are in the most part very cynical posters, how dare I be a real person with real feelings and real views. As to the west end not being designed for cars owners, your right it was designed for horse & carraige.They did not have cars much if at all in those days? Since the removal of all 'non resident parking'in my neck of the woods, my little bit of the west end has been returned to a little bit more of a match as to how it might just have looked when first imagined.Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day. I guess this will be my last post because I don't think I want to get into a 'bun fight' with cynics who would argue for the last word whether they believe it or not and yes there was a touch of irony which some have misunderstood as insincerity, but i should have expected that.adieue, I'm chicken.
I now remember why I don't post, you are in the most part very cynical posters, how dare I be a real person with real feelings and real views. As to the west end not being designed for cars owners, your right it was designed for horse & carraige.They did not have cars much if at all in those days? Since the removal of all 'non resident parking'in my neck of the woods, my little bit of the west end has been returned to a little bit more of a match as to how it might just have looked when first imagined.Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day. I guess this will be my last post because I don't think I want to get into a 'bun fight' with cynics who would argue for the last word whether they believe it or not and yes there was a touch of irony which some have misunderstood as insincerity, but i should have expected that.adieue, I'm chicken.
Posted by: hawkey, glasgow green on 5:19pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Too bad such consultation wasn't allowed for the "Go Ape" proposal for Pollok Country Park
we all know people in the area would not have entertained it
That will be why Glasgow City Council canvasses most of their positive reaction from first year pupils at a school in Kelvindale
Too bad such consultation wasn't allowed for the "Go Ape" proposal for Pollok Country Park
we all know people in the area would not have entertained it
That will be why Glasgow City Council canvasses most of their positive reaction from first year pupils at a school in Kelvindale
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 5:36pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote]There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote] Possibly - some of us however happen to have been [bold]born[/bold] in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".[/quote] Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account.
Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make.
Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement.
My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!!
Absolute chaos for his neighbours.
Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.
mulross wrote:
There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been born in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account.
Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make.
Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement.
My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!!
Absolute chaos for his neighbours.
Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.
Posted by: hawkey, glasgow green on 5:45pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote: [quote]There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote] Possibly - some of us however happen to have been [bold]born[/bold] in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".[/quote] Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account. Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make. Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement. My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!! Absolute chaos for his neighbours. Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.[/quote] Does anyone really believe the parking charges proposal was aimed at alleviating the problem ?
There would still be the same number of cars chasing the same parking spaces
This proposal is nothing other than a money making venture by the council
and it's clear voters have seen through it
thistlemad wrote:
mulross wrote: There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been born in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account. Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make. Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement. My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!! Absolute chaos for his neighbours. Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.
Does anyone really believe the parking charges proposal was aimed at alleviating the problem ?
There would still be the same number of cars chasing the same parking spaces
This proposal is nothing other than a money making venture by the council
and it's clear voters have seen through it
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 5:46pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]I now remember why I don't post[/quote]
Pity you unremembered today then, some of us are "real people* with real feelings and real views" who actually post about Glasgow-wide issues rather just about in our own back yard!
[italic]* Scott fae Airdrie not included of course![/italic]
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[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
I now remember why I don't post
Pity you unremembered today then, some of us are "real people* with real feelings and real views" who actually post about Glasgow-wide issues rather just about in our own back yard!
* Scott fae Airdrie not included of course!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 5:56pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I now remember why I don't post, you are in the most part very cynical posters, how dare I be a real person with real feelings and real views. As to the west end not being designed for cars owners, your right it was designed for horse & carraige.They did not have cars much if at all in those days? Since the removal of all 'non resident parking'in my neck of the woods, my little bit of the west end has been returned to a little bit more of a match as to how it might just have looked when first imagined.Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day. I guess this will be my last post because I don't think I want to get into a 'bun fight' with cynics who would argue for the last word whether they believe it or not and yes there was a touch of irony which some have misunderstood as insincerity, but i should have expected that.adieue, I'm chicken. [/quote] Sally,
The "irony" comments were not directed at you?
Don't take the postings to heart. This is just like "Speaker's Corner" on here. Everybody has an equal opportunity to make a complete erse of themself.
We all do it!
Sally Doran wrote:
I now remember why I don't post, you are in the most part very cynical posters, how dare I be a real person with real feelings and real views. As to the west end not being designed for cars owners, your right it was designed for horse & carraige.They did not have cars much if at all in those days? Since the removal of all 'non resident parking'in my neck of the woods, my little bit of the west end has been returned to a little bit more of a match as to how it might just have looked when first imagined.Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day. I guess this will be my last post because I don't think I want to get into a 'bun fight' with cynics who would argue for the last word whether they believe it or not and yes there was a touch of irony which some have misunderstood as insincerity, but i should have expected that.adieue, I'm chicken.
Sally,
The "irony" comments were not directed at you?
Don't take the postings to heart. This is just like "Speaker's Corner" on here. Everybody has an equal opportunity to make a complete erse of themself.
We all do it!
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 6:00pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Ah, references to incomers...
The temerity of people who move to live in a new area
Ah, references to incomers...
The temerity of people who move to live in a new area
Posted by: Scotland against Alex Salmon, Glasgow on 6:01pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - [bold]they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be...[/bold] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Well I would rather have the Decrepit City Councillors than have anybody else, SNP Councillors have a cheek - Alison Thewlis for Example comes from Carluke and says she is a voice for the East End - give me a break you lot will be exposed soon enough and i cannt wait to see that
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Well I would rather have the Decrepit City Councillors than have anybody else, SNP Councillors have a cheek - Alison Thewlis for Example comes from Carluke and says she is a voice for the East End - give me a break you lot will be exposed soon enough and i cannt wait to see that
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 6:06pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote:
Ah, references to incomers... The temerity of people who move to live in a new area[/quote] Lol, I`ve lived in my wee toon for 10 years and Im STILL an incomer.
bluey wrote:
Ah, references to incomers... The temerity of people who move to live in a new area
Lol, I`ve lived in my wee toon for 10 years and Im STILL an incomer.
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, West End on 6:06pm Fri 10 Oct 08
In a civilised society where people are elected to 'serve' the community who voted for them (namely, Councillors). What happens 'after' they are elected?
Well, rather than accommodate their motorist voters, they institute fines for them in a multiplicity of ways. Worse penalty of all is the total lack of car parking provisions and the inevitable double and single yellow lines that means those who actually pay road tax, can't use them. If that isn't bad enough, we motorists are expected to shell out a minimum of £30 if we overstay at a parking point for a few minutes.
The Council's coffers gain £millions in parking revenues yet they continually fail to provide more parking spaces.
Maybe a return to the good old days of Horse & Carriage transport would be of benefit...eh? No worry about petrol prices and all of the sh*t left on the roads in great enough quantities to satisfy even the hardest Councillor.
In a civilised society where people are elected to 'serve' the community who voted for them (namely, Councillors). What happens 'after' they are elected?
Well, rather than accommodate their motorist voters, they institute fines for them in a multiplicity of ways. Worse penalty of all is the total lack of car parking provisions and the inevitable double and single yellow lines that means those who actually pay road tax, can't use them. If that isn't bad enough, we motorists are expected to shell out a minimum of £30 if we overstay at a parking point for a few minutes.
The Council's coffers gain £millions in parking revenues yet they continually fail to provide more parking spaces.
Maybe a return to the good old days of Horse & Carriage transport would be of benefit...eh? No worry about petrol prices and all of the sh*t left on the roads in great enough quantities to satisfy even the hardest Councillor.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 6:18pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Scotland against Alex Salmon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - [bold]they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be...[/bold] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Well I would rather have the Decrepit City Councillors than have anybody else, SNP Councillors have a cheek - Alison Thewlis for Example comes from Carluke and says she is a voice for the East End - give me a break you lot will be exposed soon enough and i cannt wait to see that [/quote] JOHN MASON RING A BELL HE JUST EXPOSSED THAT DECREPIT AULD WUMAN MAGGIE CURRAN AND WAIT FOR GLENROTHES YA LOONY AWAY BACK TO YOUR HOVEL
Scotland against Alex Salmon wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote: Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Well I would rather have the Decrepit City Councillors than have anybody else, SNP Councillors have a cheek - Alison Thewlis for Example comes from Carluke and says she is a voice for the East End - give me a break you lot will be exposed soon enough and i cannt wait to see that
JOHN MASON RING A BELL HE JUST EXPOSSED THAT DECREPIT AULD WUMAN MAGGIE CURRAN AND WAIT FOR GLENROTHES YA LOONY AWAY BACK TO YOUR HOVEL
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 6:26pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote]There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote] Possibly - some of us however happen to have been [bold]born[/bold] in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".[/quote] Quite! Well said mulross! Some people seem to think that if you live in the West-End it's because you've got money and have moved here for the social whirl! Therefore we have to put up with all sorts of assumptions and pretentious drivel.
mulross wrote:
There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been born in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
Quite! Well said mulross! Some people seem to think that if you live in the West-End it's because you've got money and have moved here for the social whirl! Therefore we have to put up with all sorts of assumptions and pretentious drivel.
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 6:36pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Darren Wood[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote: I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.[/quote] Well said Sally. It seems many in the West End would prefer their public space to serve only as a car park with all the inconvenience and disruption it brings. Se we are going to have to suffer the inconveniences you are rid of all because selfish car owners wont stump up less than a quid per week. [/quote] Eh, yes... it's called democracy! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Indeed it is democracy and the people have the absolute right to decide as they did. By the same token you could argue that democracy has given us a labour administration in the city so are you going to stop all criticism of them.
I detest the labour party as much as you and I hope to see them kicked out in Glasgow as they have been at Holyrood. But because I oppose the labour party doesnt mean I knee jerk oppose every action of the council.
Living in a democracy means I can voice my objections to democratic decisions. This decision today will only prolong and worsen the parking chaos we have in many parts of the West End.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Darren Wood wrote: Sally Doran wrote: I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
Well said Sally. It seems many in the West End would prefer their public space to serve only as a car park with all the inconvenience and disruption it brings. Se we are going to have to suffer the inconveniences you are rid of all because selfish car owners wont stump up less than a quid per week.
Eh, yes... it's called democracy! -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Indeed it is democracy and the people have the absolute right to decide as they did. By the same token you could argue that democracy has given us a labour administration in the city so are you going to stop all criticism of them.
I detest the labour party as much as you and I hope to see them kicked out in Glasgow as they have been at Holyrood. But because I oppose the labour party doesnt mean I knee jerk oppose every action of the council.
Living in a democracy means I can voice my objections to democratic decisions. This decision today will only prolong and worsen the parking chaos we have in many parts of the West End.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 6:36pm Fri 10 Oct 08
SALLY WROTE
Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day.
The first part of your argument could be reasonable, except properties just outside Glasgow tend to be cheaper, for those who can afford to buy.
Second part Im afraid is ludicrous. The M8 runs from near Paisley all the way to Edinburgh ..... from near Johnstone it is serviced by a VERY good dual carriageway, in fact it is more or less a straight road from KILWINNING to Edinburgh!!!!!!!
So why does it almost seem logical to you to live in the West End to get onto the motorway????????
SALLY WROTE
Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day.
The first part of your argument could be reasonable, except properties just outside Glasgow tend to be cheaper, for those who can afford to buy.
Second part Im afraid is ludicrous. The M8 runs from near Paisley all the way to Edinburgh ..... from near Johnstone it is serviced by a VERY good dual carriageway, in fact it is more or less a straight road from KILWINNING to Edinburgh!!!!!!!
So why does it almost seem logical to you to live in the West End to get onto the motorway????????
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 6:42pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Scotland against Alex Salmon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - [bold]they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be...[/bold] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Well I would rather have the Decrepit City Councillors than have anybody else, SNP Councillors have a cheek - Alison Thewlis for Example comes from Carluke and says she is a voice for the East End - give me a break you lot will be exposed soon enough and i cannt wait to see that [/quote] So I take it every labour councillor lives in the ward they represent.
What a stupid post.
Scotland against Alex Salmon wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote: Well done PP! ;-) See what happens when the people of Glasgow are given the opportunity to vote on the credibility of plans from our decrepit city council - they're thrown in the dustbin, just like our decrepit city councillors should be... -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Well I would rather have the Decrepit City Councillors than have anybody else, SNP Councillors have a cheek - Alison Thewlis for Example comes from Carluke and says she is a voice for the East End - give me a break you lot will be exposed soon enough and i cannt wait to see that
So I take it every labour councillor lives in the ward they represent.
What a stupid post.
Posted by: whatdidyourlastconsc
iencedieo, Glasgow on 6:46pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote]quote[/quote]
I now remember why I don't post
Pity you unremembered today then, some of us are "real people* with real feelings and real views" who actually post about Glasgow-wide issues rather just about in our own back yard!
* Scott fae Airdrie not included of course!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Is this a personal issue for you, in your position as someone dealing with a city wide problem, i would have thought if that was the case then you might have been supporting certain points here, made by many,except you riducule and add no value to any viewpoints expressed, surely it would be of more interest to 'challenge' with sound debate instead, you snipe and make personal insults, that is the 'armourary' of an inadequate intellect,sounds to me like you are a worn out old man,perhaps woman, then perhaps you might not have matured yet into adulthood? (some folk are braver than you or i to be known by their own names) with way tooooo much time on their hands, you are rude, opinionated and i doubt any of your whinging has made one jot of a difference anywhere to anything or anyone (except your ego), you are a frustrated nobody with nothing to offer except insults, i hope it keeps you warm at night.
quote
I now remember why I don't post
Pity you unremembered today then, some of us are "real people* with real feelings and real views" who actually post about Glasgow-wide issues rather just about in our own back yard!
* Scott fae Airdrie not included of course!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Is this a personal issue for you, in your position as someone dealing with a city wide problem, i would have thought if that was the case then you might have been supporting certain points here, made by many,except you riducule and add no value to any viewpoints expressed, surely it would be of more interest to 'challenge' with sound debate instead, you snipe and make personal insults, that is the 'armourary' of an inadequate intellect,sounds to me like you are a worn out old man,perhaps woman, then perhaps you might not have matured yet into adulthood? (some folk are braver than you or i to be known by their own names) with way tooooo much time on their hands, you are rude, opinionated and i doubt any of your whinging has made one jot of a difference anywhere to anything or anyone (except your ego), you are a frustrated nobody with nothing to offer except insults, i hope it keeps you warm at night.
Posted by: Craig, g52 on 6:57pm Fri 10 Oct 08
to the council this is just a hiccup,which wont matter in the big picture. they have seen how much london pulls in on congestion charges.
its on its way,and the council has created it
to the council this is just a hiccup,which wont matter in the big picture. they have seen how much london pulls in on congestion charges.
its on its way,and the council has created it
Posted by: James, Partick X on 7:10pm Fri 10 Oct 08
The areas that only just rejected the proposals should be consulted again. There were 9% “Don’t Knows” in two Partick areas. Many did not feel informed enough to vote. There was no public meeting held in Partick. The benefits, drawbacks, teething problems, experiences of residents in established zones should really be discussed more widely now in the areas with a tighter vote.
The areas that only just rejected the proposals should be consulted again. There were 9% “Don’t Knows” in two Partick areas. Many did not feel informed enough to vote. There was no public meeting held in Partick. The benefits, drawbacks, teething problems, experiences of residents in established zones should really be discussed more widely now in the areas with a tighter vote.
Posted by: M78, Glasgow on 9:01pm Fri 10 Oct 08
This was a revenue gathering exercise and nothing else - the parking issues in Battlefield are in the evening and nothing to do with commuters (aside from peaks caused by events at Hampden). How does issuing residents with permits where there are already more cars than car parking spaces improve overcrowding?
Also worth noting the rather cynical onslaught of parking wardens early in the morning and at weekends round Sinclair Drive which appeared to be timed to coincide with the surveys being delivered...
This was a revenue gathering exercise and nothing else - the parking issues in Battlefield are in the evening and nothing to do with commuters (aside from peaks caused by events at Hampden). How does issuing residents with permits where there are already more cars than car parking spaces improve overcrowding?
Also worth noting the rather cynical onslaught of parking wardens early in the morning and at weekends round Sinclair Drive which appeared to be timed to coincide with the surveys being delivered...
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 9:05pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
Although I GENUINELY feel sympathy for some residents of the affcected areas, might I make an observation? Tough, I`m going to anyway. As has already been pointed out, the West End in particular has an over abundence of "public transport". It is therefor illogical to own a car in this area (except maybe the coffin dodgers and the REAL disabled). Another idea is buy somewhere with a driveway!!!! The West End and other parts of the city were never designed with car ownership in mind, so why did so many people who SHOULD have realised this fact, buy/rent properties in these areas. "Convenient for work" will be the cry for most ... IF THATS THE CASE WHY THE FECK DO YOU NEED A CAR????????? Having moved out of the city, commuting was certainly quicker when the other half worked in the City Centre. Drumchapel to West Street could take anything from 40 minutes to just over an hour. And that was 10 years ago. A longer journey took 25 minutes .... no traffic lights, no aggressive drivers, no maniacs cutting you off, not having to watch out for red light jumpers ... so less stressfull too. I now can park both the van and our car right outside my front door ( one of these days I really WILL resurface the driveway!!!!!). One last point. There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote] Oh clever you, ever so well done, i am just so amazed at how brilliant you are, and how well you have done for yourself ( not that you like to talk about it of course ). Please let me know when you resurface the driveway i can't wait to hear all about it. People have the RIGHT to live where they choose, they also reserve the RIGHT to purchase a car if they so choose. Who is pretentious? YOU!
thistlemad wrote:
Although I GENUINELY feel sympathy for some residents of the affcected areas, might I make an observation? Tough, I`m going to anyway. As has already been pointed out, the West End in particular has an over abundence of "public transport". It is therefor illogical to own a car in this area (except maybe the coffin dodgers and the REAL disabled). Another idea is buy somewhere with a driveway!!!! The West End and other parts of the city were never designed with car ownership in mind, so why did so many people who SHOULD have realised this fact, buy/rent properties in these areas. "Convenient for work" will be the cry for most ... IF THATS THE CASE WHY THE FECK DO YOU NEED A CAR????????? Having moved out of the city, commuting was certainly quicker when the other half worked in the City Centre. Drumchapel to West Street could take anything from 40 minutes to just over an hour. And that was 10 years ago. A longer journey took 25 minutes .... no traffic lights, no aggressive drivers, no maniacs cutting you off, not having to watch out for red light jumpers ... so less stressfull too. I now can park both the van and our car right outside my front door ( one of these days I really WILL resurface the driveway!!!!!). One last point. There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Oh clever you, ever so well done, i am just so amazed at how brilliant you are, and how well you have done for yourself ( not that you like to talk about it of course ). Please let me know when you resurface the driveway i can't wait to hear all about it. People have the RIGHT to live where they choose, they also reserve the RIGHT to purchase a car if they so choose. Who is pretentious? YOU!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 9:07pm Fri 10 Oct 08
Oh and by the way thistlemad, that was my observation, and if you don't like it, then as YOU say, TOUGH!
Oh and by the way thistlemad, that was my observation, and if you don't like it, then as YOU say, TOUGH!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 9:10pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote: [quote]There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote] Possibly - some of us however happen to have been [bold]born[/bold] in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".[/quote] Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account. Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make. Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement. My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!! Absolute chaos for his neighbours. Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.[/quote] NONSENSE, never heard of car sharing? Oh that's right, you run an international conglomerate. If there is a fuel strike, are you on the essential user list? Well done NINE cars?
thistlemad wrote:
mulross wrote: There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been born in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account. Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make. Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement. My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!! Absolute chaos for his neighbours. Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.
NONSENSE, never heard of car sharing? Oh that's right, you run an international conglomerate. If there is a fuel strike, are you on the essential user list? Well done NINE cars?
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 9:13pm Fri 10 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Lowflo[/bold] wrote:
As I have said before Council Consultations are a "done deal" and only a token gesture to assuage the fevered brows of those who think democracy is at work here. A Council Official did tell me some months back that it really doesn't matter what we think, they'll go ahead and do it anyway. So enough: I now have work to do and also try to set aside time to counter the Council's next consultative process.[/quote] I say lets go on strike ...
Dont pay council Tax till we get rid of these robbin f**kers ...
Lowflo wrote:
As I have said before Council Consultations are a "done deal" and only a token gesture to assuage the fevered brows of those who think democracy is at work here. A Council Official did tell me some months back that it really doesn't matter what we think, they'll go ahead and do it anyway. So enough: I now have work to do and also try to set aside time to counter the Council's next consultative process.
I say lets go on strike ...
Dont pay council Tax till we get rid of these robbin f**kers ...
Posted by: annie, Glasgow on 1:03am Sat 11 Oct 08
I think the results spells the end for consulatation exercises.
Imagine we get consulted on bus corridors, the ridiculous no left/right turns springing up all over the city-centre (which are causing danger as lots of motorists ignore them)and the vandalism caused by excessive street signage and furniture? Goodness knows but we might end up living in a well run/designed city!
I think the results spells the end for consulatation exercises.
Imagine we get consulted on bus corridors, the ridiculous no left/right turns springing up all over the city-centre (which are causing danger as lots of motorists ignore them)and the vandalism caused by excessive street signage and furniture? Goodness knows but we might end up living in a well run/designed city!
Posted by: eckdofraser, baillieston on 2:21am Sat 11 Oct 08
this guy sydney is a loser plain and simple. he has his opinions and views but does not allow others the same courtesy he always goes on and on and on.. his favourite topics of hotel occupancy and steven purcell seem to go on and on and on...
im sick to the back teeth of seeing his unrelated postings and comments on every story. please someone stop his comments, im sick of them
this guy sydney is a loser plain and simple. he has his opinions and views but does not allow others the same courtesy he always goes on and on and on.. his favourite topics of hotel occupancy and steven purcell seem to go on and on and on...
im sick to the back teeth of seeing his unrelated postings and comments on every story. please someone stop his comments, im sick of them
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 5:49pm Sat 11 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I now remember why I don't post, you are in the most part very cynical posters, how dare I be a real person with real feelings and real views. As to the west end not being designed for cars owners, your right it was designed for horse & carraige.They did not have cars much if at all in those days? Since the removal of all 'non resident parking'in my neck of the woods, my little bit of the west end has been returned to a little bit more of a match as to how it might just have looked when first imagined.Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day. I guess this will be my last post because I don't think I want to get into a 'bun fight' with cynics who would argue for the last word whether they believe it or not and yes there was a touch of irony which some have misunderstood as insincerity, but i should have expected that.adieue, I'm chicken. [/quote] Er, when I said 'there's an irony there' it really meant Snydey Meriweather using the phrase '[bold]Pure PR Fiction[/bold] ' (his emphasis) next to his own claim to be 'One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents'...
Sally Doran wrote:
I now remember why I don't post, you are in the most part very cynical posters, how dare I be a real person with real feelings and real views. As to the west end not being designed for cars owners, your right it was designed for horse & carraige.They did not have cars much if at all in those days? Since the removal of all 'non resident parking'in my neck of the woods, my little bit of the west end has been returned to a little bit more of a match as to how it might just have looked when first imagined.Not all have the luxury to upstakes and move to a 'driveway' and some are not close to work but perhaps close to a mortorway that can take them to where 'work' might be that day. I guess this will be my last post because I don't think I want to get into a 'bun fight' with cynics who would argue for the last word whether they believe it or not and yes there was a touch of irony which some have misunderstood as insincerity, but i should have expected that.adieue, I'm chicken.
Er, when I said 'there's an irony there' it really meant Snydey Meriweather using the phrase '
Pure PR Fiction ' (his emphasis) next to his own claim to be 'One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents'...
Posted by: james gibbons, langside on 7:12pm Sat 11 Oct 08
I wasn't surprised that the INVISIBLE COUNCILLORS..BOOTH and SIMPSON were ''ASTOUNDED'' that the Glasgow Public DISAGREED with their Parking Permit..'Rip Off Scheme.'
The reason is that for years they have ignored public opinion..and now that people are sick of their ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE.!!! let's hope that this is a 'WAKEN UP CALL'..but I won't hold my breath..
THANK GOODNESS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOW BEING HEARD..!!!
Kind regards to everyone who voted against their proposals...
JIMMY G.
I wasn't surprised that the INVISIBLE COUNCILLORS..BOOTH and SIMPSON were ''ASTOUNDED'' that the Glasgow Public DISAGREED with their Parking Permit..'Rip Off Scheme.'
The reason is that for years they have ignored public opinion..and now that people are sick of their ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE.!!! let's hope that this is a 'WAKEN UP CALL'..but I won't hold my breath..
THANK GOODNESS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOW BEING HEARD..!!!
Kind regards to everyone who voted against their proposals...
JIMMY G.
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 11:22pm Sat 11 Oct 08
This is typical of a Director officer with GCC. The sad fact is within the city chambers these councillors are pathetically out of touch with the Glasgow people. They listen more to these officer clowns than their constuants. Robert Booth believes residents will be unhappy.
This is typical of a Director officer with GCC. The sad fact is within the city chambers these councillors are pathetically out of touch with the Glasgow people. They listen more to these officer clowns than their constuants. Robert Booth believes residents will be unhappy.
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 11:25pm Sat 11 Oct 08
[bold]Robert Booth got this Massively Wrong !![/bold]
Robert Booth got this Massively Wrong !! Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 4:38pm Sun 12 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Ross[/bold] wrote:
This is typical of a Director officer with GCC. The sad fact is within the city chambers these councillors are pathetically out of touch with the Glasgow people. They listen more to these officer clowns than their constuants. Robert Booth believes residents will be unhappy.[/quote] I'm a resident and I'm unhappy and I know lots of others who are as we see the parking chaos continue.
Ross wrote:
This is typical of a Director officer with GCC. The sad fact is within the city chambers these councillors are pathetically out of touch with the Glasgow people. They listen more to these officer clowns than their constuants. Robert Booth believes residents will be unhappy.
I'm a resident and I'm unhappy and I know lots of others who are as we see the parking chaos continue.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:29pm Sun 12 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jefstewa[/bold] wrote:
People Power for first minister!!!! lol well done big chap!![/quote]
Errr - Jefstewa, sorry to disappoint, but it's actually big lassie! ( round the gut that is!) ha ha! ;-)
Another larff at G.C.C's expense - what a bunch of tubes, numpties and nobodies......
God, if I was Lord ( or should that be Lady?) Provost, I'd sack the lot of these Labour numpties.
jefstewa wrote:
People Power for first minister!!!! lol well done big chap!!
Errr - Jefstewa, sorry to disappoint, but it's actually big lassie! ( round the gut that is!) ha ha! ;-)
Another larff at G.C.C's expense - what a bunch of tubes, numpties and nobodies......
God, if I was Lord ( or should that be Lady?) Provost, I'd sack the lot of these Labour numpties.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 9:11am Mon 13 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote: [quote]There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.[/quote] Possibly - some of us however happen to have been [bold]born[/bold] in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".[/quote] Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account. Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make. Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement. My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!! Absolute chaos for his neighbours. Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.[/quote] NONSENSE, never heard of car sharing? Oh that's right, you run an international conglomerate. If there is a fuel strike, are you on the essential user list? Well done NINE cars? [/quote] Are the nine cars mine? NO. I know its a difficult thing to do, but READING and UNDERSTANDING a post before replying to it is actually advisable.
Two of the cars are used by Scotrail staff on their "early shift". Same house but they work at different stations. One has to open the station, the other has to get to work, ironically to drive the staff train!!!!!!
THREE vans belonging to myself and two brothers are VITAL to our ability to make a living.
My partner is lucky in that she can WALK to work, so our car is only needed when we go out as a family since public transport where we stay is almost non existant at night.
As for car sharing, that would be fine, except since we all have our own homes AND our own children, its impractical.
Your other comment about me "doing well", I`m afraid thats YOUR opinion, the bank manager tells me otherwise!
Like everyone else who works for themselves, if I dont work then I dont get paid!!!
If theres a fuel strike, then, to put it quite bluntly, I`m fecked, and out of business until the strike is over.
I have a two bedroom semi, with a garden that sometimes looks like Steptoes yard ..... if thats your idea of "doing well", then I genuinely feel sorry for you!!!!!!!
The bricks for resurfacing the driveway have all so far been bought second hand.
No one who actually knows me has ever referred to me as pretentious.
However, as you say, those are YOUR opinions, and be they right or wrong, you DO have the right to them.
Pete wrote:
thistlemad wrote: mulross wrote: There are too many pretentious folk in certain areas, who only moved there because of the "bon vivante" or how ever you spell it.
Possibly - some of us however happen to have been born in certain areas, have lived in the said area all our lives and do not have the money to "buy a house with a driveway".
Obviously that is a very valid point, and one which I took into account. Sadly like many other areas the "incomers" who can afford to buy their way in, don`t either think or care about the impact they make. Example .... a couple with 3 teenagers buy a flat in the West End. 4 years pass ...... that has the potential to have FIVE cars outside one tenement. My Dad lives in Blairdardie ....... if we all visit at once thats 6 cars ........ if the neices and nephews who drive, turn up at the same time, that could be up to NINE cars outside one mid terraced house!!!!!!! Absolute chaos for his neighbours. Perversely, due to either running our own small businesses or VERY early starts/late finishes, all of these vehicles could be deemed REQUIRED or even essential rather than just wanted.
NONSENSE, never heard of car sharing? Oh that's right, you run an international conglomerate. If there is a fuel strike, are you on the essential user list? Well done NINE cars?
Are the nine cars mine? NO. I know its a difficult thing to do, but READING and UNDERSTANDING a post before replying to it is actually advisable.
Two of the cars are used by Scotrail staff on their "early shift". Same house but they work at different stations. One has to open the station, the other has to get to work, ironically to drive the staff train!!!!!!
THREE vans belonging to myself and two brothers are VITAL to our ability to make a living.
My partner is lucky in that she can WALK to work, so our car is only needed when we go out as a family since public transport where we stay is almost non existant at night.
As for car sharing, that would be fine, except since we all have our own homes AND our own children, its impractical.
Your other comment about me "doing well", I`m afraid thats YOUR opinion, the bank manager tells me otherwise!
Like everyone else who works for themselves, if I dont work then I dont get paid!!!
If theres a fuel strike, then, to put it quite bluntly, I`m fecked, and out of business until the strike is over.
I have a two bedroom semi, with a garden that sometimes looks like Steptoes yard ..... if thats your idea of "doing well", then I genuinely feel sorry for you!!!!!!!
The bricks for resurfacing the driveway have all so far been bought second hand.
No one who actually knows me has ever referred to me as pretentious.
However, as you say, those are YOUR opinions, and be they right or wrong, you DO have the right to them.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 7:55pm Mon 13 Oct 08
I do not have any difficulty reading and understanding your rant. I understand that you need these vehicles for work, if you had afforded the same understanding to the folk of the west end then very good, but you DIDN'T! No need for you to feel sorry for me, I also have my own business ( road haulage industry ) and I appreciate the need for any individual ( who has the RIGHT, if they so choose ) TO OWN A VEHICLE(S). To criticise a person on the ownership of a vehicle purely on their location is absurd. YOU do not know that the people of the west end may also need transport for work/business needs, sweeping statements and generalisation my friend!
I do not have any difficulty reading and understanding your rant. I understand that you need these vehicles for work, if you had afforded the same understanding to the folk of the west end then very good, but you DIDN'T! No need for you to feel sorry for me, I also have my own business ( road haulage industry ) and I appreciate the need for any individual ( who has the RIGHT, if they so choose ) TO OWN A VEHICLE(S). To criticise a person on the ownership of a vehicle purely on their location is absurd. YOU do not know that the people of the west end may also need transport for work/business needs, sweeping statements and generalisation my friend!
Posted by: Dave Holladay, Glasgow on 5:13am Tue 14 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sally Doran[/bold] wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.[/quote] This has been the real boon of the scheme a street cleared of solidly parked cars every working day BUT in an effort to maximise the predicted revenue the plans put parking bays well past the oldd 'yellow lined' sections which were placed to ban parking at corners and road junctions and made streets 1-way to cram in yet more bays, the hilarity is that all that effort came to nought as the cars to fill the bays vanished overnight.
Far better perhaps for the Council to avaoid the issue altogether - they hyave no legal obligation and it is illegal for them to make a profit on charging (Roads Scotland Act S.1.9) After all the land outside your house on which the road sits belongs to you and if it is not needed for moving traffic on foot or on wheels it should be possible to claim it back for your own use, or even rent it out yourself as a car park..... By marking out the area as a parking bay the Council is confirming that the road at this point is not required for moving traffic and the option to create a pleasing mini-park outside your house is something which groups took on on PARK-ing day last month
Sally Doran wrote:
I am one of the residents happy to pay for a permit, I can now park my car outside my house at any time of day and night, visitors can now find a space. I no longer see 'vultures' waiting from as early as 7 in the morning for a car to move out and I no longer find my car jammed in by selfish parking, I no longer have paint marks or scratches on my car as a result of someone determined to fit into a space that a'smart car' could not fit into. I no longer have to suffer the fumes as all cars 'fire up' to go home around 5.30pm at night, I no longer see people empty their ashtrays and leave their rubbish in my street rather than take it home and dispose of it like any decent person would do. These people used our home street as a car park with no thought about what it must be like to live here due to their presence, you could not cross roads as there was no space with bumper to bumper cars, 2 elderly folk who get about in wheelchairs had to 'walk' to the main roadd then turn to come back down to get to the side of the road they wanted to be on. So I am glad people who do not live here no longer park here, we have peace and I can now actually see what a nice bit of greenery we have here where I live with plants and trees, less rubbish and less hassle. So while some may complain about council ploys to get cash, what price peace, space and civility, those who rejected it will live to regret it as the out of towners continue to decend and invade, leaving them with a feeling of hatred and frustration, for after all free parking is a free for all.
This has been the real boon of the scheme a street cleared of solidly parked cars every working day BUT in an effort to maximise the predicted revenue the plans put parking bays well past the oldd 'yellow lined' sections which were placed to ban parking at corners and road junctions and made streets 1-way to cram in yet more bays, the hilarity is that all that effort came to nought as the cars to fill the bays vanished overnight.
Far better perhaps for the Council to avaoid the issue altogether - they hyave no legal obligation and it is illegal for them to make a profit on charging (Roads Scotland Act S.1.9) After all the land outside your house on which the road sits belongs to you and if it is not needed for moving traffic on foot or on wheels it should be possible to claim it back for your own use, or even rent it out yourself as a car park..... By marking out the area as a parking bay the Council is confirming that the road at this point is not required for moving traffic and the option to create a pleasing mini-park outside your house is something which groups took on on PARK-ing day last month
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