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The campaigners against this development are pathetic. What exactly are they standing in the way of? The much needed redevelopment of a wasted, ugly and unused space that blights Partick Cross? Surely anyone that lives in the local area can appreciate the benefits that a bit of gentrification would bring to the area. I say to those campaigners who probably have nothing better to do with their time - [bold]don't stand in the way of progress![/bold]

One of the major issues for people like me who live in Partick is the amount of traffic that will result from this development. Craig, who posted earlier, is right about the wasted land, but putting a massive supermarket there with all the traffic that will come as a consequence seems crazy particularly when you look at how busy the main roads around Partick get already.

This will cause a traffic nightmare in Partick which is clogged up enough. If this development is allowed to go ahead then Tesco should pay for slip roads DIRECTLY from the sights car parks to and from the expressway AND a third lane on the expressway towards the tunnel cut offs and the city centre Beith Street will also need to be "double yellowed" allowing four running lanes, Byres Raod and Dumbarton Road are beyond help and this will just make things a whole lot worse

1. Development of the land isnt an issue. 7 storeys on that site to provide almost 1000 flats the length of the site will darken the whole Partick Cross area permanently. Cheerio sunshine and daylight. 2. Dont mind another supermarket at all, but Tesco's own numbers of 500 extra cars an hour every hour 24 hours a day is madness to an already congested area. The original Tesco plan from a few years back didnt have the scale of objection that this new plan does.

Whats the need for this development anyway. Another hideous building, and a Tesco across the road from a Morrisons and about 5 minutes walk from Sainsbury's... Pointless, all it serves to do will be to bring in cars from all areas and gridlock the area, as well as stopping all those who park and ride, at Partick doing so. Why not make a car park at this site and encourage people to park and ride for not only the Railway Station and Subway but for the Bus Station too at the new Partick Interchange. It was railway land after all- and at least that would make the waste ground into something useful, and enviromentally friendly. It could also be used to take the pressure off the streets around the Western and Yorkhill Hospitals too and allow people to park for Dumbarton Road allowing parking to be prohibited there and traffic to move more freely rather than a giant Tesco with parking to undercut all the other stores and lead to traffic pressure on the area?

Why should Partick residents put up with gross increases in traffic pollution in order for Tesco to increase it's vast profits. Lets have a development that increases Partick residents quality of life.

Traffic at the Crow Road end of Dumbarton Road is just as bad if not worse. I heard no protest about another Marks and Spencer at the retail park or against planning permission for a Sainsbury's extension there. The location of Tesco's so near Partick Cross will mean hundreds of local people will be able to walk to a decent supermarket.

Anyone who is interested in the issues concerned with this development should have a peek here: www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=398569 Where many of the issues involving the building itself and associated issues such as traffic have been discussed already.

Will the Council now opt for a transparent process and release the required information or is it looking for a legal challenge from STOP (www.stoptesco.info)? We are up for a fight...

[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote: Traffic at the Crow Road end of Dumbarton Road is just as bad if not worse. I heard no protest about another Marks and Spencer at the retail park or against planning permission for a Sainsbury's extension there. The location of Tesco's so near Partick Cross will mean hundreds of local people will be able to walk to a decent supermarket.[/quote] M & S filled a vacant site on an established retail park. Re decent supermarket, do you mean cheaper? Partick appears to be well catered for with regard to shops. This site at Beith Street would be better used for affordable housing for locals and imaginative landscaping of the river bank linked to the Kelvin walkway and new transport Museum

I am not happy that giant Tesco will block out the sunlight in my back garden when it's built. Not only will there be no sunlight due to the giant cast shadows, but there will also be an inhouse noisy student union where students have access to alcohol, @Tesco 24 hours a day. Couple these facts with massively increased traffic flow and poor roads and you have a problem. Is it any wonder that Glasgow District Council won't allow correspondence with Tesco to be viewed by the public ? Watch "Dispatches" on Channel 4 this incoming week to see how "Tesco towns" take over local areas!

The refusal by council officials to disclose correspondence appears to be further evidence of the cosy relationship that exists between Tesco's representatives and Glasgow City Council's Land Services Department. There is also a clear reluctance to disclose the supposed correspondence (if there actually was any)that passed between Tesco and the The Transport Museum regarding the Station Ticket Office prior to demolition.They seem to be going out of their way to accomodate Tesco; much of the overwhelming and unnecessary scale of this development has come about because of those official's demands that the site be 'mixed use'. With elections soon the politicians at GCC would be best advised to pay much more attention to the wishes of local people and not those of Tesco.

Describing the campaigners as pathetic and having nothing better to do with their time is derogatory and ill informed. One of the lead campaigners is a practicing architect. As far as I'm aware most architectural firms do not work part-time!!

I am certainly for SENSITIVE development on the site but not another giant Tesco. Most people shop at those huge supermarkets by car so they can surely drive another mile or so to an existing supermarket if they must shop at Tesco. As for the new Marks and the Sainsbury's at Crow road, they are small developments and don't 'take over' the area. I also believe and hope that they are more ethical than Tesco. Best wishes to the campaign to STOP TESCO

tesco are very agressive and wont even stop getting No to planning permission,They are adding Mezzanine levels inside the stores to escape planning permission ,Also recently in NW england they built onto the carpark ,Council asked them to remove it ,They dont use that part of the store but built mezzanine levels inside ,Even when refused planning permission ,They do deals with councellors that NO Other future planning permission can be granted to anyone else Exept tesco and tesco alone .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5261844.stm BBC NEWS | UK | Tesco 'breaching planning laws' http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=17&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fsupermarkets%2Fstory%2F0%2C%2C1999059%2C00.html&ei=_erVRYr9JYX4QZrJiYAJ&usg=__xTsD23NeIFlmQ2qrxEvgdbAUJ2w=&sig2=86g7agbDqc2M5ewb59ewNA Tesco denies using Trojan horse planning tactics | Special reports ... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=18&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northnorfolk.org%2Fsheringhampreservation%2Fdefault_issues.asp&ei=_erVRYr9JYX4QZrJiYAJ&usg=__fZteuSrvCb6WzWPWvrJet6DliuQ=&sig2=tBR8UcVydQt-0glDl814Tw Sheringham and District Preservation Society - Current Issues TESCO is co-hosting a fringe debate on "Promising the Earth? Food, Farming and Rural Communities". But Tesco has broken previous promises, for example on the sourcing of tropical timber and its treatment of British farmers. The reality is that Tesco is putting its profits before the interests of its suppliers, farmers, people and the environment, both here and abroad, while making worthless promises in glossy brochures.

Partick appears to be well catered for with regard to shops? GORDON-Where do you buy your socks? ALI- a student union has never been mooted nor has 24 hour alcohol access.BRENDAN-Station Ticket Office- a red herring-who cares? AL- 1000 flats misinformataion perpetuated by the Green Party and our local councillor. No-one I know is opposed to a local Tesco.

[quote]ALI- a student union has never been mooted nor has 24 hour alcohol access.BRENDAN-Station Ticket Office- a red herring-who cares? AL- 1000 flats misinformataion perpetuated by the Green Party and our local councillor. No-one I know is opposed to a local Tesco. [/quote] A student union has always been part of this plan on the so-called deck. Tesco's Scotland corporate affairs officer has been quoted in the press confirming the number of flats. He has recently been quoted saying the number has "been reduced to 690" although this information is not in the public domain so cannot be independently verified. Can I also suggest The Sock Shop for socks?

The truth is that this site is totally unsuitable for a large supermarket and the level of student flats. Parking and congestion will be a nightmare. The proposed solutions from the council, which acknowledges a significant impact on traffic congestion, but for some yet to be revealed reason seems totally pro-this development, are totally inadequate to deal with what is coming. No-one seems to benefit from this, but the Council refuses to represent its people. If this goes ahead I will not vote for any of the sitting Politicians at the next election.

The Campaigners against this project cannot be claimed to be "pathetic" this claim shows no appreciation or understanding of the situation. As we have already seen the character of the area is beginning to change for the worse, with the demolition of the old ticket office (now the land is even more desolate) . It is true that the vacant land must be developed, and some of the ideas regarding vitalising the river edge and the need for affordable housing are all welcome. However, the development shows no response to the surrounding urban fabric or context, ie. The four storey datum (surrounding tenements on Partick Cross) seems to be disregarded.The transport plan for the area also suggests that the new river walkway will be of benefit for cyclists and pedestrians alike, but I ask you this? How many of these users will enjoy passing through yet another underpass that Glasgow's roads have gorged.? Would you enjoy a quiet stroll along the revitalised river edge? one-side the water, the other a two-storey car park for Tesco, does this open up the river or close it off? Delightful!!!

I find the comment by Craig that the campaigners are 'pathetic' as quite offensive. And I agree with Stephen that this shows a severe lack of understanding of the issues involved in this campaign! No one is campaigning to save the wasteland as it stands! Of course it should be developed. And I don't believe that anyone, even the most staunch of conservationists, is against progress. But what was the need for the demolition of the old ticket office? It could have been incorporated into a new scheme! (Just another example of the 'dripping tap' that sees Glasgow slowly and silently disposing of its heritage and becoming a souless, homogenous city.) The issue is HOW this land is developed. The current plan is not in keeping with the character of the area, it is out of context and I do not believe the current proposals will regenerate or open up the riverside (which would be a wonderful thing)! When proposals for areas such as this are put forward the public should be given full access to them and full appraisal and discussion should take place. Then decisions can be made based on what is appropriate for the area, what will enhance the quality of life of local people and improve the cityscape. Rather than being based on the profit of developers and morality bereft supermarket chains!

I was completely shocked to find out about this plan recently. I cannot see how these plans could benefit the west end in any way whatsoever, and am extremely dissappointed in our planners who are allowing this to happen. Whatsmore they have also destroyed a historic building (the old ticket office) in the process! More awareness needs to raised about all this, as I believe that people living in this area of Glasgow, given this knowledge, would be against it. What is actually being done at present?

The development of this dormant piece of land is potentially a very positive situation. There is portential here to revitalise the rivers edge and create a new and vibrant extension to Partick. However this is a development on a huge scale and that will create a huge impact on the surrounding area, not only on local businesses but on the built environemnt. As mentioned above by stephan, the scale materials and character of the surrounding architecture has been completely ignored. These are key factors that give PArtick an identidty that has been reclessley destroyed in other parts of the city. Instead we are given white rendered boxes. What shalll these look like in ten years? Dated. We all know ho horrid somerfield at the top end of Byres Road looks. Imagine this on a huge scale! This is not mentioning the sort of quiality of building that will be offered. Student residences are not exactly renowned for architectural value. The student residendces next to Victoria hall located in |Port Dundas won the 'carbuncle' prizei n architecture. ( THAT MEANS WORST. When creating a new area of city - so we not owe it to ourselves and future generations of the city to ensure we are creating the very best we can. We know the disaster that tower blocks has caused in glasgow. VAst areas have been destroyed because of poorly considered palnning decisions and a lack of respcet for the fabric of the city. DO we want to repeat this mistake?

It now seems that Tesco's agents have released a newspaper advertisement to say that the latest iteration os their plans is available at the Council's planning department for viewing. What about neighbour notification in the usual and legal way? Down the drain apparently....

Craig I couldn't disagree more strongly. Companies like Tesco destroy local shops, will not give a fair price for goods to Scottish farmers and perpetuate poverty in the Third World. Local shops mean more money in the local economy, a wider choice of goods, and many more small entrepreneurs, something that Glasgow needs very badly. Tesco also has the highers C02 output per square metre of any supermarket.

Well said John Sch. This smacks of planning officers acting under delegated powers driven by central government policy rather than decisions made by councils reflecting local need. I have always been concerned about the relationship between the ruling party and large business interests. The New Labour party is worse now than the Tories ever were. It seems to me that Scottish expansion of Tesco is merely subjugation of territory by a vested interest from the south. And don't tell me the Scottish Executive operates independently! Let local interests rise to the opportunity instead and include creating some open green space for people to appreciate their environment instead of covering it all in concrete and glass palaces.

Tesco are bullies and think that they can do whatever they want. Their prices are not as cheap as they make out. Also it is a well known fact that unless you go into a supermarket with cash (and a list) you always buy more than you intended. Whereas local shops are more friendly, they can order things in for you and you only buy what you can carry - much easier on the purse!! Oh yes, the people who you see working in the shop get the profits (and hopefully spend them locally) - not some fat cats who live miles away from the local area. P.S. Why not think about getting an allotment and grow your own food!

Hi Am not a local so can not comment on the provision of local services and transport problems. However I find Tesco's bully boy tactics disgraceful. They either work within the law, but not within the spirit of the law, or proceed and to hang with the consequences. Someone needs to stand up to them. The councillors seem unable or unwilling, the government are in the pockets of Tesco's through donations and 'advisors'. Who is the natural preditor to keep this monster at bay?