Posted by: driver. on 12:02pm Fri 23 Feb 07
it,l never work. it,s hard enough now trying to get people to pay the correct fare. the city is full of dodgers. they stand there in front of you boasting about how little they will pay.......most drivers let them away with it to avoid the hasle. "awe day wan mate"..chink chink...........78pence in coppers.thats why you pay so much.
it,l never work. it,s hard enough now trying to get people to pay the correct fare. the city is full of dodgers. they stand there in front of you boasting about how little they will pay.......most drivers let them away with it to avoid the hasle. "awe day wan mate"..chink chink...........78pence in coppers.thats why you pay so much.
Posted by: highway robbery, Glasgow on 2:27pm Fri 23 Feb 07
Yes, very good Mr Savelli, let's round things UP the way to £1.00 or £1.50. More cash for those shareholders (that'll be you then)? Oh and what happens when you need (or want rather) to increase the fares to retain your 14 per cent return on investment? Do the increases come in nice round figures too? Here's another idea - re-nationalise transport and reduce the fares on buses and trains as then there would no longer be a need to pay vast sums of money in share dividends to the grabbers like Mr Savelli, Mr Lochhead or Mr Souter and his sister Cloag.
Yes, very good Mr Savelli, let's round things UP the way to £1.00 or £1.50. More cash for those shareholders (that'll be you then)? Oh and what happens when you need (or want rather) to increase the fares to retain your 14 per cent return on investment? Do the increases come in nice round figures too? Here's another idea - re-nationalise transport and reduce the fares on buses and trains as then there would no longer be a need to pay vast sums of money in share dividends to the grabbers like Mr Savelli, Mr Lochhead or Mr Souter and his sister Cloag.
Posted by: Fraser Mackinnon, Houston Renfrewshire on 4:28pm Fri 23 Feb 07
Yes yes i belive this will work but what about routes that they say dont make profit? in edinburgh it works becuse its city wide what about services such as the x6 wich i use wich is £4.85 for a day ticket? single fares at pound flat far will work but on my rour single fares are lot more than a pound it wont work unless they scrap the bariers on my route and classing it as a special service really dose my head in we get a poor service all time i think first glasgow will bring it in but what about my route were they dont even look at it, evening times maby you could pass this on to them the x6 is a very expensive route and aint that long a service compared with the 204 that gose to balloch from glasgow ,
do something right for a chage Mr Savelli
Yes yes i belive this will work but what about routes that they say dont make profit? in edinburgh it works becuse its city wide what about services such as the x6 wich i use wich is £4.85 for a day ticket? single fares at pound flat far will work but on my rour single fares are lot more than a pound it wont work unless they scrap the bariers on my route and classing it as a special service really dose my head in we get a poor service all time i think first glasgow will bring it in but what about my route were they dont even look at it, evening times maby you could pass this on to them the x6 is a very expensive route and aint that long a service compared with the 204 that gose to balloch from glasgow ,
do something right for a chage Mr Savelli
Posted by: Subway User, Hillhead on 5:17pm Fri 23 Feb 07
What's the connection between Lothian Buses in Edinburgh(a clean, reliable service that covers the whole city frequently) and the Subway? Both are in public ownership. Lothian Buses are owned by Edinburgh City Council. That's why they can charge low fares, they don't need to make a profit. First will always want to make a profit. The only real solution to the bus issues in Glasgow would be for our councillers to find the money and buy the buses back. If it's good enough for Edinburgh, surely it's good enough for Glasgow...
What's the connection between Lothian Buses in Edinburgh(a clean, reliable service that covers the whole city frequently) and the Subway? Both are in public ownership. Lothian Buses are owned by Edinburgh City Council. That's why they can charge low fares, they don't need to make a profit. First will always want to make a profit. The only real solution to the bus issues in Glasgow would be for our councillers to find the money and buy the buses back. If it's good enough for Edinburgh, surely it's good enough for Glasgow...
Posted by: Mick, Gk on 5:20pm Fri 23 Feb 07
What's really needed is a bit of future thinking,not a squabble over a daily fare,if we seriously want the people to go back on the buses.
We need the Govt and the bus companies to sit down and hammer out the price of a subsided weekly unlimited travel pass.Somewhere about £6 a week guaranteed for 3 years will set the ball rolling.Also clean buses.
What's really needed is a bit of future thinking,not a squabble over a daily fare,if we seriously want the people to go back on the buses.
We need the Govt and the bus companies to sit down and hammer out the price of a subsided weekly unlimited travel pass.Somewhere about £6 a week guaranteed for 3 years will set the ball rolling.Also clean buses.
Posted by: Iain, Glasgow on 5:21pm Fri 23 Feb 07
I'm not sure I trust First Bus to manage such a good idea. Driver training seems to be a real problem, with many being put to shame by their helpful counterparts on local services. Many cannot muster a helpful, customer-friendly attitude let alone consistent and correct ticket pricing from one day to the next. And as someone said above, we all get to pay more for the privilege.
I'm not sure I trust First Bus to manage such a good idea. Driver training seems to be a real problem, with many being put to shame by their helpful counterparts on local services. Many cannot muster a helpful, customer-friendly attitude let alone consistent and correct ticket pricing from one day to the next. And as someone said above, we all get to pay more for the privilege.
Posted by: Paul, Glasgow on 5:24pm Fri 23 Feb 07
"A year or at least two years at the most"??
First can reprogram their ticket machines just fine overnight when they implement a fares "revision" (i.e. rise). Why the delay in moving to a simpler, flat fare? They could do it tomorrow if they wanted.
"A year or at least two years at the most"??
First can reprogram their ticket machines just fine overnight when they implement a fares "revision" (i.e. rise). Why the delay in moving to a simpler, flat fare? They could do it tomorrow if they wanted.
Posted by: Fraser Mackinnon, Houston on 5:41pm Fri 23 Feb 07
Yes lothian buses is owned by the council but is still a private company an bus usage in endinburgh is rising more than glasgow so mus say something for some people bus is the only transport look at megabus that has worked cheap fairs
an the directors of lothian buses are out sie people such as ian craig who worked at arriva as a director now first glasgow really could implament it tomorrow and sort out the x6 to bridge of weir
Yes lothian buses is owned by the council but is still a private company an bus usage in endinburgh is rising more than glasgow so mus say something for some people bus is the only transport look at megabus that has worked cheap fairs
an the directors of lothian buses are out sie people such as ian craig who worked at arriva as a director now first glasgow really could implament it tomorrow and sort out the x6 to bridge of weir
Posted by: Ex Pat, USA on 6:15pm Fri 23 Feb 07
as a Glaswegian now living in the US, they need systems like they have here. Flat rate fares are in place for the WHOLE TRIP. ie if you have to travel from Pollok to Stepps but change on Hope Street you pay on the bus where you start and your ticket is printed you your end destination, then the driver on the 2nd bur just puts a hole punch in it and off you go. It works and saves time and cuts down on those dodgers.
as a Glaswegian now living in the US, they need systems like they have here. Flat rate fares are in place for the WHOLE TRIP. ie if you have to travel from Pollok to Stepps but change on Hope Street you pay on the bus where you start and your ticket is printed you your end destination, then the driver on the 2nd bur just puts a hole punch in it and off you go. It works and saves time and cuts down on those dodgers.
Posted by: Bus User, Glasgow on 10:26pm Fri 23 Feb 07
Why don't SPT just regulate the fairs just like London Buses? Or perhaps do what they do in manchester and have an option of tickets which can be bought on the bus eg: an all day ticket for first buses only, or an all day ticket for first, arriva and stagecoach, or an all day ticket for all buses and subway.
As well as this, why dont they SPT make the zonecard easier to understand and cheaper - just like they oyster card used in london.
Why don't SPT just regulate the fairs just like London Buses? Or perhaps do what they do in manchester and have an option of tickets which can be bought on the bus eg: an all day ticket for first buses only, or an all day ticket for first, arriva and stagecoach, or an all day ticket for all buses and subway.
As well as this, why dont they SPT make the zonecard easier to understand and cheaper - just like they oyster card used in london.
Posted by: Stuart Bell, Glasgow on 1:34am Sat 24 Feb 07
Yes I think a flat fare would make life easier saves having to look around for change when boarding the bus and would avoid the fare differences i.e. one day I pay 75p and the next 85p for the same journey. They have this scheme in London with pay before you board machines at the stops and it works well. In addition I would fully support the idea of a one day travel card for buses, subway etc like they do in London.
Yes I think a flat fare would make life easier saves having to look around for change when boarding the bus and would avoid the fare differences i.e. one day I pay 75p and the next 85p for the same journey. They have this scheme in London with pay before you board machines at the stops and it works well. In addition I would fully support the idea of a one day travel card for buses, subway etc like they do in London.
Posted by: Fraser MacKinnon, Houston Renfrewshire on 2:32am Sat 24 Feb 07
the system needs to be like edinburgh it the easyst way any distance e.g £1 that is much easier you have to remember glasgow aint as big as london and edinburgh is smaller and glasgow and there system is working
the system needs to be like edinburgh it the easyst way any distance e.g £1 that is much easier you have to remember glasgow aint as big as london and edinburgh is smaller and glasgow and there system is working
Posted by: Craig Davidson, Glasgow East on 11:25am Sat 24 Feb 07
Nobody ever mentions the vast fortune First Bus makes from the Concessionary ticket scheme i was informed 2 years ago that First Bus received 90 pence for every time the ticket was used (probably increased since then) look at how some old age pensioners go on a bus just to go one stop and then change to another bus this must add up to a fortune for First Bus. After all if you buy an all day ticket for £2.55 but a pensioner using their ticket even for only 4 journeys the revenue is £3.60 and lets face it the buses would be empty during the daytime hours if it was not fow the amount of pensioners using them, many of these people never used buses before grudging the then 35p fare - i think the system should be regulated to a set amount of use per week to control costs. Then again look at the amount of Junkies / Alcoholics that have these same tickets.
Nobody ever mentions the vast fortune First Bus makes from the Concessionary ticket scheme i was informed 2 years ago that First Bus received 90 pence for every time the ticket was used (probably increased since then) look at how some old age pensioners go on a bus just to go one stop and then change to another bus this must add up to a fortune for First Bus. After all if you buy an all day ticket for £2.55 but a pensioner using their ticket even for only 4 journeys the revenue is £3.60 and lets face it the buses would be empty during the daytime hours if it was not fow the amount of pensioners using them, many of these people never used buses before grudging the then 35p fare - i think the system should be regulated to a set amount of use per week to control costs. Then again look at the amount of Junkies / Alcoholics that have these same tickets.
Posted by: Elizabeth Etheridge, Texas (Glasweigan) on 4:47pm Sat 24 Feb 07
Some old pensioners can hardly walk and need to
take the bus for only one or two stops. Most have worked hard all their lives so a little consideration isn't asking much. As to junkies and Alcoholics with concessionary tickets, would you rather they mug the pensioners for their fare? To ask passengers only going one stop to pay the same as someone going the full route is ludicrous. In this day and age there should have already been higher standards set in place. A scanner that reads the card and deducts the proper amount for the stop intended. Where are all the Scottish geniuses of our past glory? Now all we have are bampots coming up with matchbox condos, squinty bridges, and the wonderful non-revolving revolving museums. Aye we're a pure dead brilliant peoples, in our own mind's eye.
How old is the current public transport technology? The better question would be, does anyone have a clue as to what century we are in? Sorting out a bus pass is the least of Scotland's problems. Raising educated and respectable Scots would take care of all of these draconian issues. Bus drivers would not have to sit in fear of the neds that cause them to be on the defense with everyone. Their stress levels must be extreme, especially when driving at night. All anyone needs to do is show them a little consideration. But no, that would make us look like wimps, wouldn't it.
Here's a thought, if those bars and nightclubs had to ferry their drunks home or to the game the buses and trains would be so much safer for johnny public.
Some old pensioners can hardly walk and need to
take the bus for only one or two stops. Most have worked hard all their lives so a little consideration isn't asking much. As to junkies and Alcoholics with concessionary tickets, would you rather they mug the pensioners for their fare? To ask passengers only going one stop to pay the same as someone going the full route is ludicrous. In this day and age there should have already been higher standards set in place. A scanner that reads the card and deducts the proper amount for the stop intended. Where are all the Scottish geniuses of our past glory? Now all we have are bampots coming up with matchbox condos, squinty bridges, and the wonderful non-revolving revolving museums. Aye we're a pure dead brilliant peoples, in our own mind's eye.
How old is the current public transport technology? The better question would be, does anyone have a clue as to what century we are in? Sorting out a bus pass is the least of Scotland's problems. Raising educated and respectable Scots would take care of all of these draconian issues. Bus drivers would not have to sit in fear of the neds that cause them to be on the defense with everyone. Their stress levels must be extreme, especially when driving at night. All anyone needs to do is show them a little consideration. But no, that would make us look like wimps, wouldn't it.
Here's a thought, if those bars and nightclubs had to ferry their drunks home or to the game the buses and trains would be so much safer for johnny public.
Posted by: Craig Davidson, Glasgow East on 9:39pm Sat 24 Feb 07
My point -Elizabeth Etheridge- mainly being that First Bus gain a considerable amount of revenue from these concession cards especially when people who in the main are fit and yet use them for such short journeys which they could in the main walk thus generating extra revenue.Oh yes correct many have worked hard all their lives (and it's the current Tax payers whom fund this scheme)good point but you would fail to use that point for the junkies and Alcoholics your excuse is "would you rather they mug the pensioners for their fare?" so you think the rest of society should subsidise these junkies and Alcoholics in order to be not in fear of them? Most people in life pay for one they use and obviously you are not a daily user of the bus service in Glasgow you should concentrate on the issues within your local paper in Texas - whatever part of Ayrshire that might be.
My point -Elizabeth Etheridge- mainly being that First Bus gain a considerable amount of revenue from these concession cards especially when people who in the main are fit and yet use them for such short journeys which they could in the main walk thus generating extra revenue.Oh yes correct many have worked hard all their lives (and it's the current Tax payers whom fund this scheme)good point but you would fail to use that point for the junkies and Alcoholics your excuse is "would you rather they mug the pensioners for their fare?" so you think the rest of society should subsidise these junkies and Alcoholics in order to be not in fear of them? Most people in life pay for one they use and obviously you are not a daily user of the bus service in Glasgow you should concentrate on the issues within your local paper in Texas - whatever part of Ayrshire that might be.
Posted by: Cheryl Henderson, Glasgow on 12:59pm Mon 26 Feb 07
Totally agree with Craig Davidson, why on earth should normal working class ppl pay full fare when junkies can get concessionary tickets. To be honest i think junkies should be banned from public transport especially if there a threat to the other passengers. As for the old folk i don't mind them getting free/concessionary travel but on most buses the front of the bus is designated for prams/buggies and when asked to move, the old folk huff and puff.
Totally agree with Craig Davidson, why on earth should normal working class ppl pay full fare when junkies can get concessionary tickets. To be honest i think junkies should be banned from public transport especially if there a threat to the other passengers. As for the old folk i don't mind them getting free/concessionary travel but on most buses the front of the bus is designated for prams/buggies and when asked to move, the old folk huff and puff.
Posted by: allan, brisbane on 1:15pm Mon 26 Feb 07
[bold]bold[/bold] here in brisbane after decades of a lousie public transport system we finally got translink re state trains. private bus lines .and city council buses/ferry one ticket permits travel on all systems a single ticket allows unlimited tranfers for two hours from the time ticket is fist puchased most outer suburban routes have a 15min bus service seven days per week. soon we go over to a smart card system when the fare is automatically deducted from card as you enter bus/train/ferry fare dodgers are fined 150$ au .state police also check tickets on trains..no excuses if person is on train/bus/ferry with no valid ticket 150$ fine
here in brisbane after decades of a lousie public transport system we finally got translink re state trains. private bus lines .and city council buses/ferry one ticket permits travel on all systems a single ticket allows unlimited tranfers for two hours from the time ticket is fist puchased most outer suburban routes have a 15min bus service seven days per week. soon we go over to a smart card system when the fare is automatically deducted from card as you enter bus/train/ferry fare dodgers are fined 150$ au .state police also check tickets on trains..no excuses if person is on train/bus/ferry with no valid ticket 150$ fine
Posted by: Elizabeth Etheridge, Texas (Glasweigan) on 8:01pm Tue 27 Feb 07
No Mr.Davidson, I do not believe that society
should pay for addicts of any kind to get a free
ride. But you lumped OAPs in with addicts and
referred to them as a miserable drain on society.(In so many words.) What's that about?
I believe parents/guardians should be
severely punished for raising neds. To include
teacher abusers, bus driver abusers and general
anti-social behavior. If parents disciplined
their kids and taught them respect for self, others and society we wouldn't have so many
addicts. But in a hedonistic society what can you expect, but troubled people?
In a society that pays people to stay home and smoke,drink,and gamble, what can you expect? It all comes down to the people as a whole. They vote for the nuts in office and they rubber stamp every bleeding heart program dreamed up. Meanwhile nurses, doctors, police officers, firemen and bus drivers are all violently abused on a regular basis. This can all be changed simply by Holding parents accountable every single incident.
We need to take care of our elderly and little children. Otherwise, who are we?
Allan of Brisbane, sounds like the Aussies have a great system. Could you email Mr.Savalli and point him in the right direction?
And finally, Mr. Davidson, I love the buses. I
will take a bus before any other mode of transport. And yes, the fares have increased over the years, but so has that of bread. A bit of common sense on the part of the Bus companies and it could be a very successful operation they have there.
No Mr.Davidson, I do not believe that society
should pay for addicts of any kind to get a free
ride. But you lumped OAPs in with addicts and
referred to them as a miserable drain on society.(In so many words.) What's that about?
I believe parents/guardians should be
severely punished for raising neds. To include
teacher abusers, bus driver abusers and general
anti-social behavior. If parents disciplined
their kids and taught them respect for self, others and society we wouldn't have so many
addicts. But in a hedonistic society what can you expect, but troubled people?
In a society that pays people to stay home and smoke,drink,and gamble, what can you expect? It all comes down to the people as a whole. They vote for the nuts in office and they rubber stamp every bleeding heart program dreamed up. Meanwhile nurses, doctors, police officers, firemen and bus drivers are all violently abused on a regular basis. This can all be changed simply by Holding parents accountable every single incident.
We need to take care of our elderly and little children. Otherwise, who are we?
Allan of Brisbane, sounds like the Aussies have a great system. Could you email Mr.Savalli and point him in the right direction?
And finally, Mr. Davidson, I love the buses. I
will take a bus before any other mode of transport. And yes, the fares have increased over the years, but so has that of bread. A bit of common sense on the part of the Bus companies and it could be a very successful operation they have there.
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