Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 11:37am Tue 17 Apr 07
Another excellent idea from the folks at S.T.O.P. - Lets get Tesco to re-build a derelect building! Brilliant.
Another excellent idea from the folks at S.T.O.P. - Lets get Tesco to re-build a derelect building! Brilliant.
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 1:23pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Just a question?? If the carpark only holds 500 cars why will there by 100 cars waiting all the time to get in it?? Not everyone shops at exactly the same. Typical scarmongering nonsense.
Just a question?? If the carpark only holds 500 cars why will there by 100 cars waiting all the time to get in it?? Not everyone shops at exactly the same. Typical scarmongering nonsense.
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 1:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
For Scott the hard of thinking, nowhere is it said that there will be 100 cars waiting ALL the time.
The queues at the junctions of Byres Road with both Dumbarton Road and University Avenue are often very long as it is. Beith Street and Hayburn Junction are both often jammed during peak hours.
The mind boggles as to what the situation would be like with a big Tesco store in the same area.
For Scott the hard of thinking, nowhere is it said that there will be 100 cars waiting ALL the time.
The queues at the junctions of Byres Road with both Dumbarton Road and University Avenue are often very long as it is. Beith Street and Hayburn Junction are both often jammed during peak hours.
The mind boggles as to what the situation would be like with a big Tesco store in the same area.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 1:42pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn't happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn't happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Posted by: edders, glasgae on 1:49pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Why would we not want this...the area down at the end of Byres road is a bit of a tip!... Glasgow (west/east/south/north) all need to develop and this development seems to be a good way forward.
Why would we not want this...the area down at the end of Byres road is a bit of a tip!... Glasgow (west/east/south/north) all need to develop and this development seems to be a good way forward.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 1:57pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Posted by: Glasgow Bard, Glasgow on 1:59pm Tue 17 Apr 07
"They paved paradise, and put up a Tesco shop!"
"They paved paradise, and put up a Tesco shop!"
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 2:01pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us.
And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message.
Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us.
And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message.
Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 2:07pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you\'ll find out why we don\'t want it.. Apparently it\'s better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren\'t convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it\'s OK by them to drive to one on someone else\'s doorstep to do your monthly shopping.[/quote] Right so your main argument for it is that you want a large 24/7 supermarket on your doorstep so you don't have to drive to Govan or Pollok or St Rollox at 2am or whenever.
Except those supermarkets are on nobody's doorstep, they're in self-contained sites that are quite well isolated from the locality and next to motorways and dual carriageways.
And it's a fallacy to pretend that if Tesco are stopped that the site will remain derelict for evermore.
Alan wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you\'ll find out why we don\'t want it.. Apparently it\'s better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren\'t convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it\'s OK by them to drive to one on someone else\'s doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Right so your main argument for it is that you want a large 24/7 supermarket on your doorstep so you don't have to drive to Govan or Pollok or St Rollox at 2am or whenever.
Except those supermarkets are on nobody's doorstep, they're in self-contained sites that are quite well isolated from the locality and next to motorways and dual carriageways.
And it's a fallacy to pretend that if Tesco are stopped that the site will remain derelict for evermore.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Dan - you're dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can't drive to due of all the congestion...
Dan - you're dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can't drive to due of all the congestion...
Posted by: The Digger, Underground on 2:11pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Dan[/bold] wrote:
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us. And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message. Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.[/quote] Yes - I would prefer to see a public park too.
The fact the structure was flattened during the early hours of the morning is totally out of order - I guess the only reason this was done was to avoid confrontation with the good people of Partick and supportive citizens.
I'd like to see somebody bulldoze down one of the Tesco stores first thing at 0700hrs in the morning and see how the owners would react to that? ;-O
Any names for the hat?
Dan wrote:
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us. And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message. Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.
Yes - I would prefer to see a public park too.
The fact the structure was flattened during the early hours of the morning is totally out of order - I guess the only reason this was done was to avoid confrontation with the good people of Partick and supportive citizens.
I'd like to see somebody bulldoze down one of the Tesco stores first thing at 0700hrs in the morning and see how the owners would react to that? ;-O
Any names for the hat?
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 2:23pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...[/quote] I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare.
And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).
Alan wrote:
Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...
I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare.
And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).
Posted by: Just Another Dreamer, Dreamland on 2:37pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Dan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...[/quote] I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare. And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).[/quote] Go on yersel Dan! I'm with ye! It's us dreamers with a bit of hope & vision that try to make good things happen.
To go off the subject slightly...
They should have built a public park when the twin towers were zero'd for all the friends and family, NOT build up into the skies again - Terrorists (or whoever?) could easily do the same again as done before.
Dan wrote:
Alan wrote: Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...
I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare. And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).
Go on yersel Dan! I'm with ye! It's us dreamers with a bit of hope & vision that try to make good things happen.
To go off the subject slightly...
They should have built a public park when the twin towers were zero'd for all the friends and family, NOT build up into the skies again - Terrorists (or whoever?) could easily do the same again as done before.
Posted by: B Brown, Gotham City on 3:02pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Why don't Tesco's look at opening up somewhere off Argyle Street in the west end near PC World? - I've always thought that area could do with a proper supermarket instead of forcing us to buy 10p bags of crisp from the mighty Mo's 24HRS (don't get me wrong I love Mo - great guy!)
Anyway, usual wendies moaning about the disruption to their pretty little tranquil lives sipping lattes and reading the guardian (that's a bit of sarcasm by the way - just in case you didn't get it)
Oh and they do demolitions/heavy crane work at night to reduce the disruption to traffic.
Why don't Tesco's look at opening up somewhere off Argyle Street in the west end near PC World? - I've always thought that area could do with a proper supermarket instead of forcing us to buy 10p bags of crisp from the mighty Mo's 24HRS (don't get me wrong I love Mo - great guy!)
Anyway, usual wendies moaning about the disruption to their pretty little tranquil lives sipping lattes and reading the guardian (that's a bit of sarcasm by the way - just in case you didn't get it)
Oh and they do demolitions/heavy crane work at night to reduce the disruption to traffic.
Posted by: SJM, Glagsow on 3:11pm Tue 17 Apr 07
All this nonsense about local shops being destroyed by Tesco is pathetic.
I have grown up in the west end and over the last 25 years I can tell you Partick has steadily got worse.
There is either convience stores or charity shops selling tat, so who exactly is going to be worse off.
The area of land where Tesco intend to build has been derilict for years and it would be good to see some regenaration of Partick.
STOP is just another crowd of people who like the sound of their own voice and would protest at the drop of a hat.
Get a grip and get some life into a rundown area of Partick.
Would you rather have the scrap yard back?
All this nonsense about local shops being destroyed by Tesco is pathetic.
I have grown up in the west end and over the last 25 years I can tell you Partick has steadily got worse.
There is either convience stores or charity shops selling tat, so who exactly is going to be worse off.
The area of land where Tesco intend to build has been derilict for years and it would be good to see some regenaration of Partick.
STOP is just another crowd of people who like the sound of their own voice and would protest at the drop of a hat.
Get a grip and get some life into a rundown area of Partick.
Would you rather have the scrap yard back?
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 3:26pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I certainly support the redevelopment of this site but not in the ill thought out manner proposed. There is a soon to be expanded Tesco on nearby Maryhill Road right now and ample other shopping opportunities in the area. 2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road. Aren't these enough?
Ignoring the effect on small business for the moment, the traffic in this area is already problematic. The increased volume of cars from both the student flats and the supermarket are going to worsen air and noise pollution to a huge degree.
I certainly support the redevelopment of this site but not in the ill thought out manner proposed. There is a soon to be expanded Tesco on nearby Maryhill Road right now and ample other shopping opportunities in the area. 2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road. Aren't these enough?
Ignoring the effect on small business for the moment, the traffic in this area is already problematic. The increased volume of cars from both the student flats and the supermarket are going to worsen air and noise pollution to a huge degree.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 3:51pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I agree wholeheartedly with SJM. Let's face it - it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket and commercialise their area. Heaven forbid that it should actually improve the derelict area. I for one am looking forward to having a Tesco in my area and affording me lots more choice. One that people can walk to and don't have to take the car to!
I agree wholeheartedly with SJM. Let's face it - it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket and commercialise their area. Heaven forbid that it should actually improve the derelict area. I for one am looking forward to having a Tesco in my area and affording me lots more choice. One that people can walk to and don't have to take the car to!
Posted by: me, sitting in here on 3:53pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I used to stay in the flats across the river in Ferry road. The buildings that were situated in that area were set on fire one night. I thought thats why they had to be demolished?
I used to stay in the flats across the river in Ferry road. The buildings that were situated in that area were set on fire one night. I thought thats why they had to be demolished?
Posted by: E, Glasgow, Glasgow on 3:55pm Tue 17 Apr 07
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket
Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket
Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 3:56pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.[/quote] Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and [bold]you[/bold] are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality.
Alan wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and
you are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 3:57pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Well said AB & SJM. Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4. "E" - mention the other shops such as "2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road" - Good (unless you want to do your monthly shop in them)
Well said AB & SJM. Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4. "E" - mention the other shops such as "2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road" - Good (unless you want to do your monthly shop in them)
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 3:57pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I saw a deer there grazing not that long before Tesco's diggers moved in. Not sure how it got there but it did!
I saw a deer there grazing not that long before Tesco's diggers moved in. Not sure how it got there but it did!
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 4:00pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4
Whistler's Mother. Next !
A lot of inverted snobbery going on here isn't there?
What's a 'monthly shop' and why don't I feel the need to do one?
Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4
Whistler's Mother. Next !
A lot of inverted snobbery going on here isn't there?
What's a 'monthly shop' and why don't I feel the need to do one?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:02pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Doreen get real, Partick has been in decline for years.
Presto, safeway, Morrisons is not a great supermarket.
Sainsburys again is not that great, the shops in Partick are very poor please tell me how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated?
At least a start is being made with the train station & that is about 10-15 years late.
What would you put on the land? More flats like where the granary was, you might complain there are too many people for the area next.
Doreen get real, Partick has been in decline for years.
Presto, safeway, Morrisons is not a great supermarket.
Sainsburys again is not that great, the shops in Partick are very poor please tell me how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated?
At least a start is being made with the train station & that is about 10-15 years late.
What would you put on the land? More flats like where the granary was, you might complain there are too many people for the area next.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 4:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]E, Glasgow[/bold] wrote:
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.[/quote] None that offer the choice that this Tesco will.
No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
A further point. I recall that the Morrisons and The Somerfield were idenitified as Glasgow's most expensive supermarkets. This Tesco will aid competition and help to dirve down prices.
E, Glasgow wrote:
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.
None that offer the choice that this Tesco will.
No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
A further point. I recall that the Morrisons and The Somerfield were idenitified as Glasgow's most expensive supermarkets. This Tesco will aid competition and help to dirve down prices.
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 4:15pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[italic]italic[/italic] No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
Do you have anything to back that up?
For the record I don't have a car either and I'm on a low income. I'm perfectly happy with the selction of shops in the west end at the moment. Is driving down prices really the only consideration here?
No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
Do you have anything to back that up?
For the record I don't have a car either and I'm on a low income. I'm perfectly happy with the selction of shops in the west end at the moment. Is driving down prices really the only consideration here?
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 4:24pm Tue 17 Apr 07
No, admittedly, I do not have any specific statistics to evidence my claim that the supermarket is in walking distance for those that would previously have driven to the supermarket. Merely common sense, logic and knowledge of what a few of my friends do for shopping.
Driving down the prices is not the only consideration at all but is relevant in the context of your point that there are enough supermarkets in the area already.
No, admittedly, I do not have any specific statistics to evidence my claim that the supermarket is in walking distance for those that would previously have driven to the supermarket. Merely common sense, logic and knowledge of what a few of my friends do for shopping.
Driving down the prices is not the only consideration at all but is relevant in the context of your point that there are enough supermarkets in the area already.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 4:30pm Tue 17 Apr 07
AB - I will back you up. I currently use the car to do my shopping. I drive to ASDA in Bearsden or elsewhere because the current local shops are more expensive and have less choice.
Previous Question - Monthly Shopping = what most of us who work do to get the bulk of our shopping over and done with to save us from making daily / weekly trips to the shops. Tends to be carried out at a larger supermarket with more choice and cheeper goods rather than at Peckams or M&S.
AB - I will back you up. I currently use the car to do my shopping. I drive to ASDA in Bearsden or elsewhere because the current local shops are more expensive and have less choice.
Previous Question - Monthly Shopping = what most of us who work do to get the bulk of our shopping over and done with to save us from making daily / weekly trips to the shops. Tends to be carried out at a larger supermarket with more choice and cheeper goods rather than at Peckams or M&S.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:36pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Alan your right.
A good post by another one of us who lives in the real world.
I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself.
Alan your right.
A good post by another one of us who lives in the real world.
I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 4:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
"I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself." SJM
These people obviously like their Pound Shops, Tanning Booths, Charity Shops and Amusement Arcades.
"I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself." SJM
These people obviously like their Pound Shops, Tanning Booths, Charity Shops and Amusement Arcades.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:41pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Alan dont forget all the places to get a haircut.
Why are there so many Hairdressers in Partick?
Alan dont forget all the places to get a haircut.
Why are there so many Hairdressers in Partick?
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 4:53pm Tue 17 Apr 07
How does relying on doing a monthly shop allow you to have fresh fruit and veg most days for example? It doesn't does it? In reality almost everybody is making multiple trips to the shops each month.
There is some very odd caricaturing going on here.
'Those of use who work'
'One of us who lives in the the real world'
The implication that those who aren't that fussed by what Tesco has to offer are doing all their shopping in expensive places like Peckhams and M and S.
And if Tesco does go ahead all those tanning parlours and amusement arcades will still be there. There will just be more of them in place of the florists, fruits shops, card shops etc used to be.
Sure let's regenerate the area, but this doesn't sound like much of a way to go about it.
How does relying on doing a monthly shop allow you to have fresh fruit and veg most days for example? It doesn't does it? In reality almost everybody is making multiple trips to the shops each month.
There is some very odd caricaturing going on here.
'Those of use who work'
'One of us who lives in the the real world'
The implication that those who aren't that fussed by what Tesco has to offer are doing all their shopping in expensive places like Peckhams and M and S.
And if Tesco does go ahead all those tanning parlours and amusement arcades will still be there. There will just be more of them in place of the florists, fruits shops, card shops etc used to be.
Sure let's regenerate the area, but this doesn't sound like much of a way to go about it.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 5:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
If it is necessary to disect one's shopping habits I, like Alan, prefer to do the vast majority of shopping on a monthly basis. I do not have the time, nor inclination, to visit shops frequently throughout the month. The shops currently siuated in the West End do not serve my needs and my point, (in addressing the point made that there was enough supermarkets in the West End) is that the Tesco will suit mime, and no doubt many others personal circumstances and may be beneficial for the wider community.
The point you made about fruit and veg. Surely if people will still be required to but those outwith their monthly shop, then they may opt to go to their nearest grocer and perhaps keep that particular shop in business? Every one happy all round then?
(As everyone knows, a shopping consists of more than perishables.)
If it is necessary to disect one's shopping habits I, like Alan, prefer to do the vast majority of shopping on a monthly basis. I do not have the time, nor inclination, to visit shops frequently throughout the month. The shops currently siuated in the West End do not serve my needs and my point, (in addressing the point made that there was enough supermarkets in the West End) is that the Tesco will suit mime, and no doubt many others personal circumstances and may be beneficial for the wider community.
The point you made about fruit and veg. Surely if people will still be required to but those outwith their monthly shop, then they may opt to go to their nearest grocer and perhaps keep that particular shop in business? Every one happy all round then?
(As everyone knows, a shopping consists of more than perishables.)
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Partick. Glasgow. on 5:06pm Tue 17 Apr 07
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association.
His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site.
Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick.
Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco.
Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations.
The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned.
There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways:
1. By writing their objections to the planning department.
2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/
3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross.
4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders.
and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events
Whats Proposed ?
With 9,950 square metres of retail space.
580 Car Parking Spaces.
900 Student Flats
300 Private Flats.
Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes.
There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process.
When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late.
So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming.
Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse.
Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all.
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association.
His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site.
Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick.
Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco.
Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations.
The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned.
There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways:
1. By writing their objections to the planning department.
2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/
3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross.
4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders.
and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events
Whats Proposed ?
With 9,950 square metres of retail space.
580 Car Parking Spaces.
900 Student Flats
300 Private Flats.
Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes.
There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process.
When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late.
So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming.
Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse.
Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 5:10pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket?
Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket?
Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Posted by: Bill, partick on 5:13pm Tue 17 Apr 07
What's stopping the Tesco fans from shopping online?
What's stopping the Tesco fans from shopping online?
Posted by: Tom Older, Glasgow on 5:16pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Ah, so Glasgow City Council are to get £15 million from the sale. That explains everything. Why aren't they building a supercasino? And why is the nearby Western Infirmary still allowed to stand? Think of the number of roulette wheels they could get into that site if they flogged it off. Hold on, they are flogging it off soon aren"t they? Good on ye Mister Purcell! As you said on the telly, innit to winnit!!
Ah, so Glasgow City Council are to get £15 million from the sale. That explains everything. Why aren't they building a supercasino? And why is the nearby Western Infirmary still allowed to stand? Think of the number of roulette wheels they could get into that site if they flogged it off. Hold on, they are flogging it off soon aren"t they? Good on ye Mister Purcell! As you said on the telly, innit to winnit!!
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 5:20pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Now Bill - you are generalising there. You can't expect all Tesco fans to have a computer.
Now Bill - you are generalising there. You can't expect all Tesco fans to have a computer.
Posted by: Bill, Partick on 5:22pm Tue 17 Apr 07
All of the Tesco fans posting here clearly have access to a computer and could do their shopping online, which makes me wonder why they are here whingeing instead.
All of the Tesco fans posting here clearly have access to a computer and could do their shopping online, which makes me wonder why they are here whingeing instead.
Posted by: Vera Smart, Glasgow on 5:22pm Tue 17 Apr 07
If the people of Glasgow and Partick feel that strongly about Tesco - they don't have to shop there. Thay can boycott the dump if they feel [italic]that[/italic] strongly.
What's that? You don't think that will happen? Maybe because no really gives that much of a rat's arse.
That's not to say that Tesco aren't a bunch of profiteering vandals. Nor the cooncil a bunch of chancers, drooling at the prospect of a quick, easy buck.
If the people of Glasgow and Partick feel that strongly about Tesco - they don't have to shop there. Thay can boycott the dump if they feel
that strongly.
What's that? You don't think that will happen? Maybe because no really gives that much of a rat's arse.
That's not to say that Tesco aren't a bunch of profiteering vandals. Nor the cooncil a bunch of chancers, drooling at the prospect of a quick, easy buck.
Posted by: Jill F, Partick, Glasgow. on 5:25pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[italic]"Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and you are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality"[/italic]
Doreen I fully agree with all that you say!
At least some of us have principles when it comes to the multi-nationals trying to buy and build on areas like Partick which are already becoming too built up.
Any green space is now worth a premium level, with Thornwood Park built on, Mansefield Park being re-generated, and the land currently surrounding schools worth more to developers than to our education system.
Now, we've Tesco at it along with Glasgow City Council. With their proposal completely out of scale with the surrounding area.
Unless we take a stance against the Planning Department and Land Services Partick will be irrepairably damaged, with local traders losing out due to congestion getting so bad, people could potentially bypass Partick using the expressway.lets nip this Tesco in the bud.
Braehead killed Paisley. This Tesco Development will kill Partick.
"Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and you are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality"
Doreen I fully agree with all that you say!
At least some of us have principles when it comes to the multi-nationals trying to buy and build on areas like Partick which are already becoming too built up.
Any green space is now worth a premium level, with Thornwood Park built on, Mansefield Park being re-generated, and the land currently surrounding schools worth more to developers than to our education system.
Now, we've Tesco at it along with Glasgow City Council. With their proposal completely out of scale with the surrounding area.
Unless we take a stance against the Planning Department and Land Services Partick will be irrepairably damaged, with local traders losing out due to congestion getting so bad, people could potentially bypass Partick using the expressway.lets nip this Tesco in the bud.
Braehead killed Paisley. This Tesco Development will kill Partick.
Posted by: Subway User, Hillhead on 5:28pm Tue 17 Apr 07
One of the main arguments from the for camp for Tesco is to provide a supermarket that is open when people finish work - unless they work 7 days a week, they could do some of their shopping in the likes of Iceland in Byres Road (open till 10pm) on work days, then do the big shop on one of their days off. I also shop in Tesco in Argyle Street before heading home from my office in the city - well I can do until they close it in August. The plain fact of the matter is that despite making £2.5 billion in profit, Tesco don't care about all of their customers, or the communities they come in to.
I would also suggest that it would be wise to find out what the potential new councillors for the area think before May 3rd - after all, Tesco has allegedly bought off councillors before now. In the end, the council will decide one way or the other...
One of the main arguments from the for camp for Tesco is to provide a supermarket that is open when people finish work - unless they work 7 days a week, they could do some of their shopping in the likes of Iceland in Byres Road (open till 10pm) on work days, then do the big shop on one of their days off. I also shop in Tesco in Argyle Street before heading home from my office in the city - well I can do until they close it in August. The plain fact of the matter is that despite making £2.5 billion in profit, Tesco don't care about all of their customers, or the communities they come in to.
I would also suggest that it would be wise to find out what the potential new councillors for the area think before May 3rd - after all, Tesco has allegedly bought off councillors before now. In the end, the council will decide one way or the other...
Posted by: Andy, Partick on 5:36pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I can just imagine the quality of flats Tesco will build; you just have to look at their value range. It sounds like SJM, Alan and AB have been brain washed by Tesco and they'll all happily run along to hand their money over so that Tesco can make another £2.5BN and destroy another town centre.
Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens.
Tesco is NOT your friend, if this development comes to Partick it won't regenerate the area it'll be the final nail in the coffin. I suppose that doesn't bother the likes of SJM, Alan and AB because you don't care about Partick and it's history or it's future. You just care about getting a 15p tin of beans shipped in from China.
I can just imagine the quality of flats Tesco will build; you just have to look at their value range. It sounds like SJM, Alan and AB have been brain washed by Tesco and they'll all happily run along to hand their money over so that Tesco can make another £2.5BN and destroy another town centre.
Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens.
Tesco is NOT your friend, if this development comes to Partick it won't regenerate the area it'll be the final nail in the coffin. I suppose that doesn't bother the likes of SJM, Alan and AB because you don't care about Partick and it's history or it's future. You just care about getting a 15p tin of beans shipped in from China.
Posted by: Vera Smart on 5:37pm Tue 17 Apr 07
On a personal note, I'd much rather see a park or some sort of public space on that site. I hold out little hope that that wil actually happen though.
It does occur to me though, that if the council are in the position to sell it, then just now, it is public property, i.e. [italic]ours[/italic] . In which case why not put the the matter out for consultation (yes, I'm aware consultations can be rigged)?
Or, alternatively, just make it an election issue; give the scunners (sorry 'councillors') the choice between a making quick buck or keeping their seats.
On a personal note, I'd much rather see a park or some sort of public space on that site. I hold out little hope that that wil actually happen though.
It does occur to me though, that if the council are in the position to sell it, then just now, it is public property, i.e.
ours . In which case why not put the the matter out for consultation (yes, I'm aware consultations can be rigged)?
Or, alternatively, just make it an election issue; give the scunners (sorry 'councillors') the choice between a making quick buck or keeping their seats.
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Partick. Glasgow on 5:39pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket? Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...[/quote]
Alan, if the money spent in local traders, (NOT TESCO) remains within the locality, it ensures Local Traders stay open, and their diversity remains.
If people start shopping at Tesco or any other new Supermarket more often - i.e. the news M & S on Byres Road / Crow Road Retail Park naturally their just feeding the profit margins of the greedy millionaires and increasing the revenue of shareholders.
Personally, if it comes to a choice, I along with many others am loathed to giving any more pence than the advertised £2.5 billion profits made by Tesco. If people want to give any more to Tesco - when Local traders fail to break even - let alone stay afloat, thats their choice.
But a bit more consideration for the local economy, diversity and ordinary shopkeepers should be considered.
Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco.
As for those who chose to support Tesco, clearly they must either be shareholders, or the more well off, as anybody with principles or morals would see Tesco for what they are:
in the words of Vera Smart [italic]"A Bunch Of Profiteering Vandals!"[/italic]
Alan wrote:
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket? Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Alan, if the money spent in local traders, (NOT TESCO) remains within the locality, it ensures Local Traders stay open, and their diversity remains.
If people start shopping at Tesco or any other new Supermarket more often - i.e. the news M & S on Byres Road / Crow Road Retail Park naturally their just feeding the profit margins of the greedy millionaires and increasing the revenue of shareholders.
Personally, if it comes to a choice, I along with many others am loathed to giving any more pence than the advertised £2.5 billion profits made by Tesco. If people want to give any more to Tesco - when Local traders fail to break even - let alone stay afloat, thats their choice.
But a bit more consideration for the local economy, diversity and ordinary shopkeepers should be considered.
Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco.
As for those who chose to support Tesco, clearly they must either be shareholders, or the more well off, as anybody with principles or morals would see Tesco for what they are:
in the words of Vera Smart
"A Bunch Of Profiteering Vandals!"
Posted by: Vera Smart on 5:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote]Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens[/quote] Or to pay-off Dame Shirley Porters surcharge for gerrymandering in Westminster.
Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens
Or to pay-off Dame Shirley Porters surcharge for gerrymandering in Westminster.
Posted by: Bill, Glasgow on 5:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Isn't the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?
Isn't the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 5:55pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I can assure you Andy I have not been brainwashed by Tesco. I have just seen Partick get worse over the years maybe something will change that.
Jill do you honestly think that the shops on Dumbarton road provide a great service & value for money well more fool you.
Morrisons is the pick of a bad bunch.
The area has been a mess for years now something is being done about it you are all quick to state not on my doorstep.
It would be intresting to see how many of you are happy to go tesco or something similar and shop but not when it is your part of the city.
Ok so if it's not Tesco what are you wnating there then, I cant remember there being anything other than the scrapyard suggestions please so we can find out about what you want to complain about next.
It would be intresting to see how many of you with an opinion actually come from the area or are just the ones who thought the idea of living in the west end sounded good enough to impress your friends.
I can assure you Andy I have not been brainwashed by Tesco. I have just seen Partick get worse over the years maybe something will change that.
Jill do you honestly think that the shops on Dumbarton road provide a great service & value for money well more fool you.
Morrisons is the pick of a bad bunch.
The area has been a mess for years now something is being done about it you are all quick to state not on my doorstep.
It would be intresting to see how many of you are happy to go tesco or something similar and shop but not when it is your part of the city.
Ok so if it's not Tesco what are you wnating there then, I cant remember there being anything other than the scrapyard suggestions please so we can find out about what you want to complain about next.
It would be intresting to see how many of you with an opinion actually come from the area or are just the ones who thought the idea of living in the west end sounded good enough to impress your friends.
Posted by: TESCO_BULLDOZER, Beith St ,Partick on 6:00pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Jill Ferguson[/bold] wrote:
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association. His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site. Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick. Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco. Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations. The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned. There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways: 1. By writing their objections to the planning department. 2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/ 3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross. 4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders. and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events Whats Proposed ? With 9,950 square metres of retail space. 580 Car Parking Spaces. 900 Student Flats 300 Private Flats. Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes. There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process. When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late. So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming. Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse. Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all. [/quote] I'm coming hen whether you like it or not so just learn to live with it.
Vroom vroom crunch!!!!!!
Jill Ferguson wrote:
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association. His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site. Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick. Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco. Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations. The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned. There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways: 1. By writing their objections to the planning department. 2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/ 3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross. 4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders. and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events Whats Proposed ? With 9,950 square metres of retail space. 580 Car Parking Spaces. 900 Student Flats 300 Private Flats. Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes. There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process. When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late. So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming. Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse. Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all.
I'm coming hen whether you like it or not so just learn to live with it.
Vroom vroom crunch!!!!!!
Posted by: Jill Ferguson., Partick. on 6:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Subway User, Hillhead, Andy Partick - I fully agree with you both!
Irrespective of Tesco Profit margins, you can guarantee that will not reflect on the quality of the materials used to build their flats.
They will be no better than any others in the area. And with the 5 storey tower blocks proposed, along with a 15 storey tower block they will dwarf all surrounding buildings.
As for finding out who the local councillors for the area are - I'd strongly advise people to look seriously at the policies and manifesto's of all those standing.
As well as considering strategic voting.
We are all too aware New Labour dominate, and control Glasgows City Council. With this new system of voting, and merged council wards our future council will be a far better balance.
We cannot and will not be bought over by the bribery and corruption that Tesco have used.
Clubcards for example:
Everything you buy is recorded on their database.Not just shoppping, so Tesco can build up an even more accurate picture of peoples health and bahaviour.
Including peoples race, religion, and political preference.
[bold]According to Dispatches on Channel 4:[/bold] [italic]"Tescos are far more predatory, and aggessive, and they bully councillors and intimidate them using financial muscle!"[/italic]
Other leading Supermarkets fear Tesco's landbank is so big the comany could completely overwhelm its competitors.
In slough - Tesco bought the Co-op for £7 million, the office of fair trading stepped in.
Tesco moved out and then demolished the co-op so no other competitors could buy / take over it.
Most worrying of all Future Prime Minister, Gordon Brown wants Tesco Director - Sir Terry Leahy to be one of his deciples / advisors.
With that level of clout what chance do Tesco's competitors, and small traders alike have ?
Subway User, Hillhead, Andy Partick - I fully agree with you both!
Irrespective of Tesco Profit margins, you can guarantee that will not reflect on the quality of the materials used to build their flats.
They will be no better than any others in the area. And with the 5 storey tower blocks proposed, along with a 15 storey tower block they will dwarf all surrounding buildings.
As for finding out who the local councillors for the area are - I'd strongly advise people to look seriously at the policies and manifesto's of all those standing.
As well as considering strategic voting.
We are all too aware New Labour dominate, and control Glasgows City Council. With this new system of voting, and merged council wards our future council will be a far better balance.
We cannot and will not be bought over by the bribery and corruption that Tesco have used.
Clubcards for example:
Everything you buy is recorded on their database.Not just shoppping, so Tesco can build up an even more accurate picture of peoples health and bahaviour.
Including peoples race, religion, and political preference.
According to Dispatches on Channel 4: "Tescos are far more predatory, and aggessive, and they bully councillors and intimidate them using financial muscle!"
Other leading Supermarkets fear Tesco's landbank is so big the comany could completely overwhelm its competitors.
In slough - Tesco bought the Co-op for £7 million, the office of fair trading stepped in.
Tesco moved out and then demolished the co-op so no other competitors could buy / take over it.
Most worrying of all Future Prime Minister, Gordon Brown wants Tesco Director - Sir Terry Leahy to be one of his deciples / advisors.
With that level of clout what chance do Tesco's competitors, and small traders alike have ?
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 6:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote:
Isn\'t the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?[/quote] Not for those who have either been totally brainwashed by Tesco's PR dept. or are so wrapped up in their own wee world that they are either unwilling or unable to see beyond their own "convenience". It beggars belief that that some of the posters here are unwilling / unable to see the negative impact that this development will have on the area if it goes ahead.
It's not the [bold]protestors[/bold] who need to "get real" !
Bill wrote:
Isn\'t the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?
Not for those who have either been totally brainwashed by Tesco's PR dept. or are so wrapped up in their own wee world that they are either unwilling or unable to see beyond their own "convenience". It beggars belief that that some of the posters here are unwilling / unable to see the negative impact that this development will have on the area if it goes ahead.
It's not the
protestors who need to "get real" !
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Glasgow. on 6:10pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM,
Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here!
Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals.
Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few!
It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . .
as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign.
Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!)
SJM,
Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here!
Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals.
Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few!
It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . .
as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign.
Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!)
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 6:14pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM - to answer your questions.
1)I was born in Partick and have lived in the west end all of my life (long before it became "trendy"). I know [bold]exactly[/bold] what changes have and have not taken place.
2) There are numerous uses to which the site can be put e.g. sports facilities, affordable housing, some retail facilities ([bold]not[/bold] Superstores), business premises etc etc
3)No - I do not spend one penny in Tesco nowadays, haven't done since this carry-on started and never will again.
SJM - to answer your questions.
1)I was born in Partick and have lived in the west end all of my life (long before it became "trendy"). I know
exactly what changes have and have not taken place.
2) There are numerous uses to which the site can be put e.g. sports facilities, affordable housing, some retail facilities (
not Superstores), business premises etc etc
3)No - I do not spend one penny in Tesco nowadays, haven't done since this carry-on started and never will again.
Posted by: Andy, Partick on 6:17pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Maybe they should build a community centre on the site? With crèche facilities for people visiting byres road and a football pitch with a better surface than the red blaze pitch on Hyndland Road. It could run community courses such as first aid or cooking classes. Possibly it could have an area to teach practical skills like car maintenance or DIY. Maybe that's a terrible idea but at least it would have a positive effect on the community, not a negative one.
Maybe they should build a community centre on the site? With crèche facilities for people visiting byres road and a football pitch with a better surface than the red blaze pitch on Hyndland Road. It could run community courses such as first aid or cooking classes. Possibly it could have an area to teach practical skills like car maintenance or DIY. Maybe that's a terrible idea but at least it would have a positive effect on the community, not a negative one.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 6:23pm Tue 17 Apr 07
So Jill this is really more about you being an activist and your grudge against big companies rather than what is happening in Partick!
Doreen surley some change is better than no change, you wont spend a penny in tesco but I bet you are happy to shop in Morrisons or Somerfield who have big developments all over the country doing the same thing as Tesco.
So Jill this is really more about you being an activist and your grudge against big companies rather than what is happening in Partick!
Doreen surley some change is better than no change, you wont spend a penny in tesco but I bet you are happy to shop in Morrisons or Somerfield who have big developments all over the country doing the same thing as Tesco.
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Glasgow. on 6:39pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM - It is clear that if I say black you will say white. I am on this board for productive and constructive debate, not point scoring and petty judgements!
This is more about me caring about my local community very deeply. As well as being a community activist. You can be both quite easily.
The problem lies with people who are so wrapped up in themselves, and their lives, that they cannot see what the point of speaking out or taking a more active role for the beneift of their community or society as a whole.
People can care just as much about national levels, in terms of Anti - War sentiments ; & Anti Multi -national Organisations as much as they can at a local level, i.e. the rubbish on their street.
Incidentally - I pick up all glass bottles on my surrounding streets, report smashed phone boxes / bus shelters. And dark street / traffic lights on a regular basis.
So, there are several levels of activist campaigning that c
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