Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 11:37am Tue 17 Apr 07
Another excellent idea from the folks at S.T.O.P. - Lets get Tesco to re-build a derelect building! Brilliant.
Another excellent idea from the folks at S.T.O.P. - Lets get Tesco to re-build a derelect building! Brilliant.
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 1:23pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Just a question?? If the carpark only holds 500 cars why will there by 100 cars waiting all the time to get in it?? Not everyone shops at exactly the same. Typical scarmongering nonsense.
Just a question?? If the carpark only holds 500 cars why will there by 100 cars waiting all the time to get in it?? Not everyone shops at exactly the same. Typical scarmongering nonsense.
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 1:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
For Scott the hard of thinking, nowhere is it said that there will be 100 cars waiting ALL the time.
The queues at the junctions of Byres Road with both Dumbarton Road and University Avenue are often very long as it is. Beith Street and Hayburn Junction are both often jammed during peak hours.
The mind boggles as to what the situation would be like with a big Tesco store in the same area.
For Scott the hard of thinking, nowhere is it said that there will be 100 cars waiting ALL the time.
The queues at the junctions of Byres Road with both Dumbarton Road and University Avenue are often very long as it is. Beith Street and Hayburn Junction are both often jammed during peak hours.
The mind boggles as to what the situation would be like with a big Tesco store in the same area.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 1:42pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn't happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn't happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Posted by: edders, glasgae on 1:49pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Why would we not want this...the area down at the end of Byres road is a bit of a tip!... Glasgow (west/east/south/north) all need to develop and this development seems to be a good way forward.
Why would we not want this...the area down at the end of Byres road is a bit of a tip!... Glasgow (west/east/south/north) all need to develop and this development seems to be a good way forward.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 1:57pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Posted by: Glasgow Bard, Glasgow on 1:59pm Tue 17 Apr 07
"They paved paradise, and put up a Tesco shop!"
"They paved paradise, and put up a Tesco shop!"
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 2:01pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us.
And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message.
Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us.
And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message.
Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 2:07pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you\'ll find out why we don\'t want it.. Apparently it\'s better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren\'t convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it\'s OK by them to drive to one on someone else\'s doorstep to do your monthly shopping.[/quote] Right so your main argument for it is that you want a large 24/7 supermarket on your doorstep so you don't have to drive to Govan or Pollok or St Rollox at 2am or whenever.
Except those supermarkets are on nobody's doorstep, they're in self-contained sites that are quite well isolated from the locality and next to motorways and dual carriageways.
And it's a fallacy to pretend that if Tesco are stopped that the site will remain derelict for evermore.
Alan wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you\'ll find out why we don\'t want it.. Apparently it\'s better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren\'t convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it\'s OK by them to drive to one on someone else\'s doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Right so your main argument for it is that you want a large 24/7 supermarket on your doorstep so you don't have to drive to Govan or Pollok or St Rollox at 2am or whenever.
Except those supermarkets are on nobody's doorstep, they're in self-contained sites that are quite well isolated from the locality and next to motorways and dual carriageways.
And it's a fallacy to pretend that if Tesco are stopped that the site will remain derelict for evermore.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Dan - you're dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can't drive to due of all the congestion...
Dan - you're dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can't drive to due of all the congestion...
Posted by: The Digger, Underground on 2:11pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Dan[/bold] wrote:
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us. And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message. Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.[/quote] Yes - I would prefer to see a public park too.
The fact the structure was flattened during the early hours of the morning is totally out of order - I guess the only reason this was done was to avoid confrontation with the good people of Partick and supportive citizens.
I'd like to see somebody bulldoze down one of the Tesco stores first thing at 0700hrs in the morning and see how the owners would react to that? ;-O
Any names for the hat?
Dan wrote:
Alan, unless there's some cunning plan that Tesco are keeping from us, they have proposed nothing that would improve the horrendous situation that awaits us. And it's not as if they can magically increase the capacity of the surrounding roads - there just isn't the space. It's a poor choice of site for this type of development and they need to get that message. Edders is right that the site is a tip and does need redeveloped, but that it's not so desperate that we can't wait for the right proposal to come along. Personally I would like to see a public park opened.
Yes - I would prefer to see a public park too.
The fact the structure was flattened during the early hours of the morning is totally out of order - I guess the only reason this was done was to avoid confrontation with the good people of Partick and supportive citizens.
I'd like to see somebody bulldoze down one of the Tesco stores first thing at 0700hrs in the morning and see how the owners would react to that? ;-O
Any names for the hat?
Posted by: Dan, Glasgow on 2:23pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...[/quote] I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare.
And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).
Alan wrote:
Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...
I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare.
And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).
Posted by: Just Another Dreamer, Dreamland on 2:37pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Dan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...[/quote] I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare. And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).[/quote] Go on yersel Dan! I'm with ye! It's us dreamers with a bit of hope & vision that try to make good things happen.
To go off the subject slightly...
They should have built a public park when the twin towers were zero'd for all the friends and family, NOT build up into the skies again - Terrorists (or whoever?) could easily do the same again as done before.
Dan wrote:
Alan wrote: Dan - you\'re dreaming there.. The area getting turned into a public park has as much chance of happening as a Tesco that you can\'t drive to due of all the congestion...
I am dreaming, I hope it comes true, but it had better not turn into a nightmare. And I'm less worried about not being able to drive to the Tesco than not being able to drive anywhere else using a route that passes near the Tesco (the roads around there can be bad as it is).
Go on yersel Dan! I'm with ye! It's us dreamers with a bit of hope & vision that try to make good things happen.
To go off the subject slightly...
They should have built a public park when the twin towers were zero'd for all the friends and family, NOT build up into the skies again - Terrorists (or whoever?) could easily do the same again as done before.
Posted by: B Brown, Gotham City on 3:02pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Why don't Tesco's look at opening up somewhere off Argyle Street in the west end near PC World? - I've always thought that area could do with a proper supermarket instead of forcing us to buy 10p bags of crisp from the mighty Mo's 24HRS (don't get me wrong I love Mo - great guy!)
Anyway, usual wendies moaning about the disruption to their pretty little tranquil lives sipping lattes and reading the guardian (that's a bit of sarcasm by the way - just in case you didn't get it)
Oh and they do demolitions/heavy crane work at night to reduce the disruption to traffic.
Why don't Tesco's look at opening up somewhere off Argyle Street in the west end near PC World? - I've always thought that area could do with a proper supermarket instead of forcing us to buy 10p bags of crisp from the mighty Mo's 24HRS (don't get me wrong I love Mo - great guy!)
Anyway, usual wendies moaning about the disruption to their pretty little tranquil lives sipping lattes and reading the guardian (that's a bit of sarcasm by the way - just in case you didn't get it)
Oh and they do demolitions/heavy crane work at night to reduce the disruption to traffic.
Posted by: SJM, Glagsow on 3:11pm Tue 17 Apr 07
All this nonsense about local shops being destroyed by Tesco is pathetic.
I have grown up in the west end and over the last 25 years I can tell you Partick has steadily got worse.
There is either convience stores or charity shops selling tat, so who exactly is going to be worse off.
The area of land where Tesco intend to build has been derilict for years and it would be good to see some regenaration of Partick.
STOP is just another crowd of people who like the sound of their own voice and would protest at the drop of a hat.
Get a grip and get some life into a rundown area of Partick.
Would you rather have the scrap yard back?
All this nonsense about local shops being destroyed by Tesco is pathetic.
I have grown up in the west end and over the last 25 years I can tell you Partick has steadily got worse.
There is either convience stores or charity shops selling tat, so who exactly is going to be worse off.
The area of land where Tesco intend to build has been derilict for years and it would be good to see some regenaration of Partick.
STOP is just another crowd of people who like the sound of their own voice and would protest at the drop of a hat.
Get a grip and get some life into a rundown area of Partick.
Would you rather have the scrap yard back?
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 3:26pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I certainly support the redevelopment of this site but not in the ill thought out manner proposed. There is a soon to be expanded Tesco on nearby Maryhill Road right now and ample other shopping opportunities in the area. 2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road. Aren't these enough?
Ignoring the effect on small business for the moment, the traffic in this area is already problematic. The increased volume of cars from both the student flats and the supermarket are going to worsen air and noise pollution to a huge degree.
I certainly support the redevelopment of this site but not in the ill thought out manner proposed. There is a soon to be expanded Tesco on nearby Maryhill Road right now and ample other shopping opportunities in the area. 2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road. Aren't these enough?
Ignoring the effect on small business for the moment, the traffic in this area is already problematic. The increased volume of cars from both the student flats and the supermarket are going to worsen air and noise pollution to a huge degree.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 3:51pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I agree wholeheartedly with SJM. Let's face it - it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket and commercialise their area. Heaven forbid that it should actually improve the derelict area. I for one am looking forward to having a Tesco in my area and affording me lots more choice. One that people can walk to and don't have to take the car to!
I agree wholeheartedly with SJM. Let's face it - it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket and commercialise their area. Heaven forbid that it should actually improve the derelict area. I for one am looking forward to having a Tesco in my area and affording me lots more choice. One that people can walk to and don't have to take the car to!
Posted by: me, sitting in here on 3:53pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I used to stay in the flats across the river in Ferry road. The buildings that were situated in that area were set on fire one night. I thought thats why they had to be demolished?
I used to stay in the flats across the river in Ferry road. The buildings that were situated in that area were set on fire one night. I thought thats why they had to be demolished?
Posted by: E, Glasgow, Glasgow on 3:55pm Tue 17 Apr 07
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket
Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket
Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 3:56pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.[/quote] Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and [bold]you[/bold] are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality.
Alan wrote:
Edders - wait till the anti-Tesco brigade find these comments - then you'll find out why we don't want it.. Apparently it's better to have a derelect bit of waste land and to only have the choice of the current local shops which are open at times that aren't convenient for those of us who work. Oh - and if you need to go to a large supermarket - it's OK by them to drive to one on someone else's doorstep to do your monthly shopping.
Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and
you are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 3:57pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Well said AB & SJM. Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4. "E" - mention the other shops such as "2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road" - Good (unless you want to do your monthly shop in them)
Well said AB & SJM. Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4. "E" - mention the other shops such as "2 x M&S, Sainsburys, Somerfield, Morrisons, to say nothing of the excellent high street and independent shops on Byres Road" - Good (unless you want to do your monthly shop in them)
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 3:57pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I saw a deer there grazing not that long before Tesco's diggers moved in. Not sure how it got there but it did!
I saw a deer there grazing not that long before Tesco's diggers moved in. Not sure how it got there but it did!
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 4:00pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4
Whistler's Mother. Next !
A lot of inverted snobbery going on here isn't there?
What's a 'monthly shop' and why don't I feel the need to do one?
Imagine.. somewhere in the West End where you can get a coffee and a Muffin for under £4
Whistler's Mother. Next !
A lot of inverted snobbery going on here isn't there?
What's a 'monthly shop' and why don't I feel the need to do one?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:02pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Doreen get real, Partick has been in decline for years.
Presto, safeway, Morrisons is not a great supermarket.
Sainsburys again is not that great, the shops in Partick are very poor please tell me how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated?
At least a start is being made with the train station & that is about 10-15 years late.
What would you put on the land? More flats like where the granary was, you might complain there are too many people for the area next.
Doreen get real, Partick has been in decline for years.
Presto, safeway, Morrisons is not a great supermarket.
Sainsburys again is not that great, the shops in Partick are very poor please tell me how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated?
At least a start is being made with the train station & that is about 10-15 years late.
What would you put on the land? More flats like where the granary was, you might complain there are too many people for the area next.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 4:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]E, Glasgow[/bold] wrote:
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.[/quote] None that offer the choice that this Tesco will.
No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
A further point. I recall that the Morrisons and The Somerfield were idenitified as Glasgow's most expensive supermarkets. This Tesco will aid competition and help to dirve down prices.
E, Glasgow wrote:
it's just Wendies not wanting their trendy area to have a supermarket Er, there are already many supermarkets in the area, unless I'm missing something and if you have a car you're already at an advantage.
None that offer the choice that this Tesco will.
No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
A further point. I recall that the Morrisons and The Somerfield were idenitified as Glasgow's most expensive supermarkets. This Tesco will aid competition and help to dirve down prices.
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 4:15pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[italic]italic[/italic] No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
Do you have anything to back that up?
For the record I don't have a car either and I'm on a low income. I'm perfectly happy with the selction of shops in the west end at the moment. Is driving down prices really the only consideration here?
No I, like many others, do not have a car. This Tesco is within walking distance for a great number of people who would previoudly used a car to get to one of the larger supermarkets.
Do you have anything to back that up?
For the record I don't have a car either and I'm on a low income. I'm perfectly happy with the selction of shops in the west end at the moment. Is driving down prices really the only consideration here?
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 4:24pm Tue 17 Apr 07
No, admittedly, I do not have any specific statistics to evidence my claim that the supermarket is in walking distance for those that would previously have driven to the supermarket. Merely common sense, logic and knowledge of what a few of my friends do for shopping.
Driving down the prices is not the only consideration at all but is relevant in the context of your point that there are enough supermarkets in the area already.
No, admittedly, I do not have any specific statistics to evidence my claim that the supermarket is in walking distance for those that would previously have driven to the supermarket. Merely common sense, logic and knowledge of what a few of my friends do for shopping.
Driving down the prices is not the only consideration at all but is relevant in the context of your point that there are enough supermarkets in the area already.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 4:30pm Tue 17 Apr 07
AB - I will back you up. I currently use the car to do my shopping. I drive to ASDA in Bearsden or elsewhere because the current local shops are more expensive and have less choice.
Previous Question - Monthly Shopping = what most of us who work do to get the bulk of our shopping over and done with to save us from making daily / weekly trips to the shops. Tends to be carried out at a larger supermarket with more choice and cheeper goods rather than at Peckams or M&S.
AB - I will back you up. I currently use the car to do my shopping. I drive to ASDA in Bearsden or elsewhere because the current local shops are more expensive and have less choice.
Previous Question - Monthly Shopping = what most of us who work do to get the bulk of our shopping over and done with to save us from making daily / weekly trips to the shops. Tends to be carried out at a larger supermarket with more choice and cheeper goods rather than at Peckams or M&S.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:36pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Alan your right.
A good post by another one of us who lives in the real world.
I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself.
Alan your right.
A good post by another one of us who lives in the real world.
I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 4:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
"I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself." SJM
These people obviously like their Pound Shops, Tanning Booths, Charity Shops and Amusement Arcades.
"I still never found out how Partick has benefited from not being regenerated I think that speaks for itself." SJM
These people obviously like their Pound Shops, Tanning Booths, Charity Shops and Amusement Arcades.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:41pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Alan dont forget all the places to get a haircut.
Why are there so many Hairdressers in Partick?
Alan dont forget all the places to get a haircut.
Why are there so many Hairdressers in Partick?
Posted by: E, Glasgow on 4:53pm Tue 17 Apr 07
How does relying on doing a monthly shop allow you to have fresh fruit and veg most days for example? It doesn't does it? In reality almost everybody is making multiple trips to the shops each month.
There is some very odd caricaturing going on here.
'Those of use who work'
'One of us who lives in the the real world'
The implication that those who aren't that fussed by what Tesco has to offer are doing all their shopping in expensive places like Peckhams and M and S.
And if Tesco does go ahead all those tanning parlours and amusement arcades will still be there. There will just be more of them in place of the florists, fruits shops, card shops etc used to be.
Sure let's regenerate the area, but this doesn't sound like much of a way to go about it.
How does relying on doing a monthly shop allow you to have fresh fruit and veg most days for example? It doesn't does it? In reality almost everybody is making multiple trips to the shops each month.
There is some very odd caricaturing going on here.
'Those of use who work'
'One of us who lives in the the real world'
The implication that those who aren't that fussed by what Tesco has to offer are doing all their shopping in expensive places like Peckhams and M and S.
And if Tesco does go ahead all those tanning parlours and amusement arcades will still be there. There will just be more of them in place of the florists, fruits shops, card shops etc used to be.
Sure let's regenerate the area, but this doesn't sound like much of a way to go about it.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 5:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
If it is necessary to disect one's shopping habits I, like Alan, prefer to do the vast majority of shopping on a monthly basis. I do not have the time, nor inclination, to visit shops frequently throughout the month. The shops currently siuated in the West End do not serve my needs and my point, (in addressing the point made that there was enough supermarkets in the West End) is that the Tesco will suit mime, and no doubt many others personal circumstances and may be beneficial for the wider community.
The point you made about fruit and veg. Surely if people will still be required to but those outwith their monthly shop, then they may opt to go to their nearest grocer and perhaps keep that particular shop in business? Every one happy all round then?
(As everyone knows, a shopping consists of more than perishables.)
If it is necessary to disect one's shopping habits I, like Alan, prefer to do the vast majority of shopping on a monthly basis. I do not have the time, nor inclination, to visit shops frequently throughout the month. The shops currently siuated in the West End do not serve my needs and my point, (in addressing the point made that there was enough supermarkets in the West End) is that the Tesco will suit mime, and no doubt many others personal circumstances and may be beneficial for the wider community.
The point you made about fruit and veg. Surely if people will still be required to but those outwith their monthly shop, then they may opt to go to their nearest grocer and perhaps keep that particular shop in business? Every one happy all round then?
(As everyone knows, a shopping consists of more than perishables.)
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Partick. Glasgow. on 5:06pm Tue 17 Apr 07
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association.
His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site.
Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick.
Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco.
Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations.
The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned.
There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways:
1. By writing their objections to the planning department.
2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/
3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross.
4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders.
and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events
Whats Proposed ?
With 9,950 square metres of retail space.
580 Car Parking Spaces.
900 Student Flats
300 Private Flats.
Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes.
There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process.
When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late.
So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming.
Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse.
Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all.
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association.
His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site.
Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick.
Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco.
Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations.
The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned.
There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways:
1. By writing their objections to the planning department.
2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/
3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross.
4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders.
and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events
Whats Proposed ?
With 9,950 square metres of retail space.
580 Car Parking Spaces.
900 Student Flats
300 Private Flats.
Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes.
There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process.
When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late.
So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming.
Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse.
Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 5:10pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket?
Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket?
Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Posted by: Bill, partick on 5:13pm Tue 17 Apr 07
What's stopping the Tesco fans from shopping online?
What's stopping the Tesco fans from shopping online?
Posted by: Tom Older, Glasgow on 5:16pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Ah, so Glasgow City Council are to get £15 million from the sale. That explains everything. Why aren't they building a supercasino? And why is the nearby Western Infirmary still allowed to stand? Think of the number of roulette wheels they could get into that site if they flogged it off. Hold on, they are flogging it off soon aren"t they? Good on ye Mister Purcell! As you said on the telly, innit to winnit!!
Ah, so Glasgow City Council are to get £15 million from the sale. That explains everything. Why aren't they building a supercasino? And why is the nearby Western Infirmary still allowed to stand? Think of the number of roulette wheels they could get into that site if they flogged it off. Hold on, they are flogging it off soon aren"t they? Good on ye Mister Purcell! As you said on the telly, innit to winnit!!
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 5:20pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Now Bill - you are generalising there. You can't expect all Tesco fans to have a computer.
Now Bill - you are generalising there. You can't expect all Tesco fans to have a computer.
Posted by: Bill, Partick on 5:22pm Tue 17 Apr 07
All of the Tesco fans posting here clearly have access to a computer and could do their shopping online, which makes me wonder why they are here whingeing instead.
All of the Tesco fans posting here clearly have access to a computer and could do their shopping online, which makes me wonder why they are here whingeing instead.
Posted by: Vera Smart, Glasgow on 5:22pm Tue 17 Apr 07
If the people of Glasgow and Partick feel that strongly about Tesco - they don't have to shop there. Thay can boycott the dump if they feel [italic]that[/italic] strongly.
What's that? You don't think that will happen? Maybe because no really gives that much of a rat's arse.
That's not to say that Tesco aren't a bunch of profiteering vandals. Nor the cooncil a bunch of chancers, drooling at the prospect of a quick, easy buck.
If the people of Glasgow and Partick feel that strongly about Tesco - they don't have to shop there. Thay can boycott the dump if they feel
that strongly.
What's that? You don't think that will happen? Maybe because no really gives that much of a rat's arse.
That's not to say that Tesco aren't a bunch of profiteering vandals. Nor the cooncil a bunch of chancers, drooling at the prospect of a quick, easy buck.
Posted by: Jill F, Partick, Glasgow. on 5:25pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[italic]"Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and you are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality"[/italic]
Doreen I fully agree with all that you say!
At least some of us have principles when it comes to the multi-nationals trying to buy and build on areas like Partick which are already becoming too built up.
Any green space is now worth a premium level, with Thornwood Park built on, Mansefield Park being re-generated, and the land currently surrounding schools worth more to developers than to our education system.
Now, we've Tesco at it along with Glasgow City Council. With their proposal completely out of scale with the surrounding area.
Unless we take a stance against the Planning Department and Land Services Partick will be irrepairably damaged, with local traders losing out due to congestion getting so bad, people could potentially bypass Partick using the expressway.lets nip this Tesco in the bud.
Braehead killed Paisley. This Tesco Development will kill Partick.
"Alan - you and the other Tesco devotees are talking nonsense and you are the one that's doing the "scaremongering". The place for these 24 hour so-called "superstores" is in out-of-town retail parks like Braehead or Cumbernauld town centre - NOT in the middle of a totally built-up area that already experiences huge traffic problems.
There is no reason whatsover that the land should remain derelict if Tesco don't get their way, unless it is out and out spite on their part.
Partick is one of the few communities that has survived previous "regeneration" attempts and there are some that would like it to retain a sense of community and individuality"
Doreen I fully agree with all that you say!
At least some of us have principles when it comes to the multi-nationals trying to buy and build on areas like Partick which are already becoming too built up.
Any green space is now worth a premium level, with Thornwood Park built on, Mansefield Park being re-generated, and the land currently surrounding schools worth more to developers than to our education system.
Now, we've Tesco at it along with Glasgow City Council. With their proposal completely out of scale with the surrounding area.
Unless we take a stance against the Planning Department and Land Services Partick will be irrepairably damaged, with local traders losing out due to congestion getting so bad, people could potentially bypass Partick using the expressway.lets nip this Tesco in the bud.
Braehead killed Paisley. This Tesco Development will kill Partick.
Posted by: Subway User, Hillhead on 5:28pm Tue 17 Apr 07
One of the main arguments from the for camp for Tesco is to provide a supermarket that is open when people finish work - unless they work 7 days a week, they could do some of their shopping in the likes of Iceland in Byres Road (open till 10pm) on work days, then do the big shop on one of their days off. I also shop in Tesco in Argyle Street before heading home from my office in the city - well I can do until they close it in August. The plain fact of the matter is that despite making £2.5 billion in profit, Tesco don't care about all of their customers, or the communities they come in to.
I would also suggest that it would be wise to find out what the potential new councillors for the area think before May 3rd - after all, Tesco has allegedly bought off councillors before now. In the end, the council will decide one way or the other...
One of the main arguments from the for camp for Tesco is to provide a supermarket that is open when people finish work - unless they work 7 days a week, they could do some of their shopping in the likes of Iceland in Byres Road (open till 10pm) on work days, then do the big shop on one of their days off. I also shop in Tesco in Argyle Street before heading home from my office in the city - well I can do until they close it in August. The plain fact of the matter is that despite making £2.5 billion in profit, Tesco don't care about all of their customers, or the communities they come in to.
I would also suggest that it would be wise to find out what the potential new councillors for the area think before May 3rd - after all, Tesco has allegedly bought off councillors before now. In the end, the council will decide one way or the other...
Posted by: Andy, Partick on 5:36pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I can just imagine the quality of flats Tesco will build; you just have to look at their value range. It sounds like SJM, Alan and AB have been brain washed by Tesco and they'll all happily run along to hand their money over so that Tesco can make another £2.5BN and destroy another town centre.
Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens.
Tesco is NOT your friend, if this development comes to Partick it won't regenerate the area it'll be the final nail in the coffin. I suppose that doesn't bother the likes of SJM, Alan and AB because you don't care about Partick and it's history or it's future. You just care about getting a 15p tin of beans shipped in from China.
I can just imagine the quality of flats Tesco will build; you just have to look at their value range. It sounds like SJM, Alan and AB have been brain washed by Tesco and they'll all happily run along to hand their money over so that Tesco can make another £2.5BN and destroy another town centre.
Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens.
Tesco is NOT your friend, if this development comes to Partick it won't regenerate the area it'll be the final nail in the coffin. I suppose that doesn't bother the likes of SJM, Alan and AB because you don't care about Partick and it's history or it's future. You just care about getting a 15p tin of beans shipped in from China.
Posted by: Vera Smart on 5:37pm Tue 17 Apr 07
On a personal note, I'd much rather see a park or some sort of public space on that site. I hold out little hope that that wil actually happen though.
It does occur to me though, that if the council are in the position to sell it, then just now, it is public property, i.e. [italic]ours[/italic] . In which case why not put the the matter out for consultation (yes, I'm aware consultations can be rigged)?
Or, alternatively, just make it an election issue; give the scunners (sorry 'councillors') the choice between a making quick buck or keeping their seats.
On a personal note, I'd much rather see a park or some sort of public space on that site. I hold out little hope that that wil actually happen though.
It does occur to me though, that if the council are in the position to sell it, then just now, it is public property, i.e.
ours . In which case why not put the the matter out for consultation (yes, I'm aware consultations can be rigged)?
Or, alternatively, just make it an election issue; give the scunners (sorry 'councillors') the choice between a making quick buck or keeping their seats.
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Partick. Glasgow on 5:39pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket? Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...[/quote]
Alan, if the money spent in local traders, (NOT TESCO) remains within the locality, it ensures Local Traders stay open, and their diversity remains.
If people start shopping at Tesco or any other new Supermarket more often - i.e. the news M & S on Byres Road / Crow Road Retail Park naturally their just feeding the profit margins of the greedy millionaires and increasing the revenue of shareholders.
Personally, if it comes to a choice, I along with many others am loathed to giving any more pence than the advertised £2.5 billion profits made by Tesco. If people want to give any more to Tesco - when Local traders fail to break even - let alone stay afloat, thats their choice.
But a bit more consideration for the local economy, diversity and ordinary shopkeepers should be considered.
Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco.
As for those who chose to support Tesco, clearly they must either be shareholders, or the more well off, as anybody with principles or morals would see Tesco for what they are:
in the words of Vera Smart [italic]"A Bunch Of Profiteering Vandals!"[/italic]
Alan wrote:
Jill, How is money spent in a local shop, and therefore lining the pockets of the shopkeeper helping the local economy any more than it going to a supermarket? Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Alan, if the money spent in local traders, (NOT TESCO) remains within the locality, it ensures Local Traders stay open, and their diversity remains.
If people start shopping at Tesco or any other new Supermarket more often - i.e. the news M & S on Byres Road / Crow Road Retail Park naturally their just feeding the profit margins of the greedy millionaires and increasing the revenue of shareholders.
Personally, if it comes to a choice, I along with many others am loathed to giving any more pence than the advertised £2.5 billion profits made by Tesco. If people want to give any more to Tesco - when Local traders fail to break even - let alone stay afloat, thats their choice.
But a bit more consideration for the local economy, diversity and ordinary shopkeepers should be considered.
Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco.
As for those who chose to support Tesco, clearly they must either be shareholders, or the more well off, as anybody with principles or morals would see Tesco for what they are:
in the words of Vera Smart
"A Bunch Of Profiteering Vandals!"
Posted by: Vera Smart on 5:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote]Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens[/quote] Or to pay-off Dame Shirley Porters surcharge for gerrymandering in Westminster.
Where do you fools think that £2.5BN comes from? It used to be re-invested into local communities but now it goes to foreign investors and shareholders living in tax havens
Or to pay-off Dame Shirley Porters surcharge for gerrymandering in Westminster.
Posted by: Bill, Glasgow on 5:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Isn't the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?
Isn't the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 5:55pm Tue 17 Apr 07
I can assure you Andy I have not been brainwashed by Tesco. I have just seen Partick get worse over the years maybe something will change that.
Jill do you honestly think that the shops on Dumbarton road provide a great service & value for money well more fool you.
Morrisons is the pick of a bad bunch.
The area has been a mess for years now something is being done about it you are all quick to state not on my doorstep.
It would be intresting to see how many of you are happy to go tesco or something similar and shop but not when it is your part of the city.
Ok so if it's not Tesco what are you wnating there then, I cant remember there being anything other than the scrapyard suggestions please so we can find out about what you want to complain about next.
It would be intresting to see how many of you with an opinion actually come from the area or are just the ones who thought the idea of living in the west end sounded good enough to impress your friends.
I can assure you Andy I have not been brainwashed by Tesco. I have just seen Partick get worse over the years maybe something will change that.
Jill do you honestly think that the shops on Dumbarton road provide a great service & value for money well more fool you.
Morrisons is the pick of a bad bunch.
The area has been a mess for years now something is being done about it you are all quick to state not on my doorstep.
It would be intresting to see how many of you are happy to go tesco or something similar and shop but not when it is your part of the city.
Ok so if it's not Tesco what are you wnating there then, I cant remember there being anything other than the scrapyard suggestions please so we can find out about what you want to complain about next.
It would be intresting to see how many of you with an opinion actually come from the area or are just the ones who thought the idea of living in the west end sounded good enough to impress your friends.
Posted by: TESCO_BULLDOZER, Beith St ,Partick on 6:00pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Jill Ferguson[/bold] wrote:
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association. His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site. Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick. Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco. Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations. The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned. There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways: 1. By writing their objections to the planning department. 2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/ 3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross. 4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders. and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events Whats Proposed ? With 9,950 square metres of retail space. 580 Car Parking Spaces. 900 Student Flats 300 Private Flats. Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes. There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process. When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late. So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming. Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse. Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all. [/quote] I'm coming hen whether you like it or not so just learn to live with it.
Vroom vroom crunch!!!!!!
Jill Ferguson wrote:
As one of the organisers I naturally felt it was a very well attended meeting, with well presented cases from all those on the panel, not least from Gordon Quirk, of ( "Currie And Quirk" Opticians, Byres Road.)and Representative of the Small Traders Association. His account of Tesco making £5,000 per minute, and £83 a second, along with the reported £2.5 billion profit made by Tesco in recent days. That alongside the fact that Glasgow City Council stand to gain £15 million from the sale of the site. Yet more reasons why we do not want a multi national Supermarket such as Tesco ( dubbed - "Tescotown!" )moving into Partick. Where all money made on this development will do little for the local community, and small traders and alot for the profit margins of Tesco. Finally, it is important to note that STOP Tesco is an apolytical Group, with no affiliations to any political parties or organisations. The high turnout of both MSP's and Political Candidates for the Council although impressive, bears little relevance to the input given by them. Any speeches, congratulations or otherwise should be seen as no more than electioneering by individuals concerned. There is plenty more that can be done to fight this monster otherwise known as Tesco. And all those prepared to have an active role can assist in many ways: 1. By writing their objections to the planning department. 2.signing the online petition via the website : http://www.stoptesco.info/ 3.or writing in objections to Land Services in relation to the Traffic Order ;( when applicable) if as suggested the pedestrian crossings are removed from the junction of Byres Road / University Avenue, in favour of traffic islands, to potentially benefit the excess flow of traffic to and from Tesco over pedestrians right to cross. 4. Boycotting large supermarkets, in favour of local shops/small traders. and finally 5. Becoming involved in assisting with Fund Raising and Publication of any future Meetings / Events Whats Proposed ? With 9,950 square metres of retail space. 580 Car Parking Spaces. 900 Student Flats 300 Private Flats. Road Alterations and increased Traffic Volumes. There is alot to be worried about, and people in the Communites of Partick, and beyond must raise their objections, by whatever means in these , the initial stages of the planning process. When the local shops and traders start to close and get boarded up ( as is happening already as it is.) the level of choice on the high street will disappear without our noticing, or until its too late. So - we must fight for the local independant traders, and be far more aware of the link between "Food Miles" and Global warming. Supermarkets like Tesco do nothing for this issue. And they can only make it worse. Lets STOP Tesco Owning Partick once and for all.
I'm coming hen whether you like it or not so just learn to live with it.
Vroom vroom crunch!!!!!!
Posted by: Jill Ferguson., Partick. on 6:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Subway User, Hillhead, Andy Partick - I fully agree with you both!
Irrespective of Tesco Profit margins, you can guarantee that will not reflect on the quality of the materials used to build their flats.
They will be no better than any others in the area. And with the 5 storey tower blocks proposed, along with a 15 storey tower block they will dwarf all surrounding buildings.
As for finding out who the local councillors for the area are - I'd strongly advise people to look seriously at the policies and manifesto's of all those standing.
As well as considering strategic voting.
We are all too aware New Labour dominate, and control Glasgows City Council. With this new system of voting, and merged council wards our future council will be a far better balance.
We cannot and will not be bought over by the bribery and corruption that Tesco have used.
Clubcards for example:
Everything you buy is recorded on their database.Not just shoppping, so Tesco can build up an even more accurate picture of peoples health and bahaviour.
Including peoples race, religion, and political preference.
[bold]According to Dispatches on Channel 4:[/bold] [italic]"Tescos are far more predatory, and aggessive, and they bully councillors and intimidate them using financial muscle!"[/italic]
Other leading Supermarkets fear Tesco's landbank is so big the comany could completely overwhelm its competitors.
In slough - Tesco bought the Co-op for £7 million, the office of fair trading stepped in.
Tesco moved out and then demolished the co-op so no other competitors could buy / take over it.
Most worrying of all Future Prime Minister, Gordon Brown wants Tesco Director - Sir Terry Leahy to be one of his deciples / advisors.
With that level of clout what chance do Tesco's competitors, and small traders alike have ?
Subway User, Hillhead, Andy Partick - I fully agree with you both!
Irrespective of Tesco Profit margins, you can guarantee that will not reflect on the quality of the materials used to build their flats.
They will be no better than any others in the area. And with the 5 storey tower blocks proposed, along with a 15 storey tower block they will dwarf all surrounding buildings.
As for finding out who the local councillors for the area are - I'd strongly advise people to look seriously at the policies and manifesto's of all those standing.
As well as considering strategic voting.
We are all too aware New Labour dominate, and control Glasgows City Council. With this new system of voting, and merged council wards our future council will be a far better balance.
We cannot and will not be bought over by the bribery and corruption that Tesco have used.
Clubcards for example:
Everything you buy is recorded on their database.Not just shoppping, so Tesco can build up an even more accurate picture of peoples health and bahaviour.
Including peoples race, religion, and political preference.
According to Dispatches on Channel 4: "Tescos are far more predatory, and aggessive, and they bully councillors and intimidate them using financial muscle!"
Other leading Supermarkets fear Tesco's landbank is so big the comany could completely overwhelm its competitors.
In slough - Tesco bought the Co-op for £7 million, the office of fair trading stepped in.
Tesco moved out and then demolished the co-op so no other competitors could buy / take over it.
Most worrying of all Future Prime Minister, Gordon Brown wants Tesco Director - Sir Terry Leahy to be one of his deciples / advisors.
With that level of clout what chance do Tesco's competitors, and small traders alike have ?
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 6:03pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote:
Isn\'t the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?[/quote] Not for those who have either been totally brainwashed by Tesco's PR dept. or are so wrapped up in their own wee world that they are either unwilling or unable to see beyond their own "convenience". It beggars belief that that some of the posters here are unwilling / unable to see the negative impact that this development will have on the area if it goes ahead.
It's not the [bold]protestors[/bold] who need to "get real" !
Bill wrote:
Isn\'t the thought of a ghetto of nigh on 1000 extra students plus a year or two of vast building works day and night to say nothing of the constant streams of delivery vehicles enough to sour the pill of £4 jeans and 15p beans?
Not for those who have either been totally brainwashed by Tesco's PR dept. or are so wrapped up in their own wee world that they are either unwilling or unable to see beyond their own "convenience". It beggars belief that that some of the posters here are unwilling / unable to see the negative impact that this development will have on the area if it goes ahead.
It's not the
protestors who need to "get real" !
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Glasgow. on 6:10pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM,
Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here!
Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals.
Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few!
It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . .
as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign.
Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!)
SJM,
Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here!
Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals.
Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few!
It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . .
as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign.
Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!)
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 6:14pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM - to answer your questions.
1)I was born in Partick and have lived in the west end all of my life (long before it became "trendy"). I know [bold]exactly[/bold] what changes have and have not taken place.
2) There are numerous uses to which the site can be put e.g. sports facilities, affordable housing, some retail facilities ([bold]not[/bold] Superstores), business premises etc etc
3)No - I do not spend one penny in Tesco nowadays, haven't done since this carry-on started and never will again.
SJM - to answer your questions.
1)I was born in Partick and have lived in the west end all of my life (long before it became "trendy"). I know
exactly what changes have and have not taken place.
2) There are numerous uses to which the site can be put e.g. sports facilities, affordable housing, some retail facilities (
not Superstores), business premises etc etc
3)No - I do not spend one penny in Tesco nowadays, haven't done since this carry-on started and never will again.
Posted by: Andy, Partick on 6:17pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Maybe they should build a community centre on the site? With crèche facilities for people visiting byres road and a football pitch with a better surface than the red blaze pitch on Hyndland Road. It could run community courses such as first aid or cooking classes. Possibly it could have an area to teach practical skills like car maintenance or DIY. Maybe that's a terrible idea but at least it would have a positive effect on the community, not a negative one.
Maybe they should build a community centre on the site? With crèche facilities for people visiting byres road and a football pitch with a better surface than the red blaze pitch on Hyndland Road. It could run community courses such as first aid or cooking classes. Possibly it could have an area to teach practical skills like car maintenance or DIY. Maybe that's a terrible idea but at least it would have a positive effect on the community, not a negative one.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 6:23pm Tue 17 Apr 07
So Jill this is really more about you being an activist and your grudge against big companies rather than what is happening in Partick!
Doreen surley some change is better than no change, you wont spend a penny in tesco but I bet you are happy to shop in Morrisons or Somerfield who have big developments all over the country doing the same thing as Tesco.
So Jill this is really more about you being an activist and your grudge against big companies rather than what is happening in Partick!
Doreen surley some change is better than no change, you wont spend a penny in tesco but I bet you are happy to shop in Morrisons or Somerfield who have big developments all over the country doing the same thing as Tesco.
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Glasgow. on 6:39pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM - It is clear that if I say black you will say white. I am on this board for productive and constructive debate, not point scoring and petty judgements!
This is more about me caring about my local community very deeply. As well as being a community activist. You can be both quite easily.
The problem lies with people who are so wrapped up in themselves, and their lives, that they cannot see what the point of speaking out or taking a more active role for the beneift of their community or society as a whole.
People can care just as much about national levels, in terms of Anti - War sentiments ; & Anti Multi -national Organisations as much as they can at a local level, i.e. the rubbish on their street.
Incidentally - I pick up all glass bottles on my surrounding streets, report smashed phone boxes / bus shelters. And dark street / traffic lights on a regular basis.
So, there are several levels of activist campaigning that can be achieved / carried out.
The only thing that holds us back is. . . us!
SJM - It is clear that if I say black you will say white. I am on this board for productive and constructive debate, not point scoring and petty judgements!
This is more about me caring about my local community very deeply. As well as being a community activist. You can be both quite easily.
The problem lies with people who are so wrapped up in themselves, and their lives, that they cannot see what the point of speaking out or taking a more active role for the beneift of their community or society as a whole.
People can care just as much about national levels, in terms of Anti - War sentiments ; & Anti Multi -national Organisations as much as they can at a local level, i.e. the rubbish on their street.
Incidentally - I pick up all glass bottles on my surrounding streets, report smashed phone boxes / bus shelters. And dark street / traffic lights on a regular basis.
So, there are several levels of activist campaigning that can be achieved / carried out.
The only thing that holds us back is. . . us!
Posted by: TESCO_BULLDOZER, Jills Pantry on 6:39pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Jill Ferguson[/bold] wrote:
SJM, Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here! Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals. Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few! It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . . as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign. Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!) [/quote] Get the tea on hen and sort the washing oot instead of blowing hot air.
The weans are starving so cut out the clap trap and get the bloody tea oan
Jill Ferguson wrote:
SJM, Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here! Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals. Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few! It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . . as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign. Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!)
Get the tea on hen and sort the washing oot instead of blowing hot air.
The weans are starving so cut out the clap trap and get the bloody tea oan
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 6:40pm Tue 17 Apr 07
SJM, the argument isn't about whether there's a Tesco or not. It's specifically about the 9950m2 Tesco and associated proposals which many of us think are too big (having not objected to permission being granted to a much smaller store a few years ago).
The reason this site is a tip is because Tesco own it and are holding out for what they want, claiming that the choice is between their megastore and a derelict site. In reality, many developers would surely fall over themselves to get onto this site, and would happily fight each other to come up with the best proposals (which could include a Tesco). those would be benefits of competition as have been mentioned elsewhere on this thread. Unfortunately, Tesco doesn't like that type of competition!
I would agree that the local traders (inc. Morrisons, Sainsbury's) don't do themselves many favours but Tesco could quite easily compete with and beat them without this monstrous development. They're just a greedy, amoral corporation - not so different to most other large corporations of course - which is why we need planning processes so that peoople who live in, and care about, the area can influence what happens there.
This isn't sadly-blighted Sighthill or Pollok or Govan/Ibrox: the West End is the best part of the city (or so the property prices would have you believe), and we want it protected and enhanced (i.e. changed, yes, but for the best it can be).
SJM, the argument isn't about whether there's a Tesco or not. It's specifically about the 9950m2 Tesco and associated proposals which many of us think are too big (having not objected to permission being granted to a much smaller store a few years ago).
The reason this site is a tip is because Tesco own it and are holding out for what they want, claiming that the choice is between their megastore and a derelict site. In reality, many developers would surely fall over themselves to get onto this site, and would happily fight each other to come up with the best proposals (which could include a Tesco). those would be benefits of competition as have been mentioned elsewhere on this thread. Unfortunately, Tesco doesn't like that type of competition!
I would agree that the local traders (inc. Morrisons, Sainsbury's) don't do themselves many favours but Tesco could quite easily compete with and beat them without this monstrous development. They're just a greedy, amoral corporation - not so different to most other large corporations of course - which is why we need planning processes so that peoople who live in, and care about, the area can influence what happens there.
This isn't sadly-blighted Sighthill or Pollok or Govan/Ibrox: the West End is the best part of the city (or so the property prices would have you believe), and we want it protected and enhanced (i.e. changed, yes, but for the best it can be).
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 7:11pm Tue 17 Apr 07
What is all the fuss about. The Dumbarton Road traders will still make a profit from selling dirty magazines and drink to under 18s, which is currently what they specialize in. Apart from that it's all pubs and takeaways. The few shops which exist for wendy luvvies to spend over the odds on fruit and organic vegetables, not to mention second hand books, probably never make a profit anyway, they are run by other wendy luvvies who can afford to run a loss-making hobby business.
Cheap value groceries are, believe it or not, a good thing for the local population, not to mention the jobs boost these stores provide, in some cases to the long-term unemployed. Local shops rarely employ anybody who isn't related to the shopkeeper!!
What is all the fuss about. The Dumbarton Road traders will still make a profit from selling dirty magazines and drink to under 18s, which is currently what they specialize in. Apart from that it's all pubs and takeaways. The few shops which exist for wendy luvvies to spend over the odds on fruit and organic vegetables, not to mention second hand books, probably never make a profit anyway, they are run by other wendy luvvies who can afford to run a loss-making hobby business.
Cheap value groceries are, believe it or not, a good thing for the local population, not to mention the jobs boost these stores provide, in some cases to the long-term unemployed. Local shops rarely employ anybody who isn't related to the shopkeeper!!
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Partilck.Glasgow on 7:58pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Yes - err well John, much as there is some truth in what you say, i.e selling drink to under 18's. The jobs boost is a fallacy.
A high number of jobs will be already allocated - employed staff transferred from other stores.
Add to that Tesco wages, and terms / conditions. How else do they manage to keep their profit margins so high ?
Certainly not by paying their staff higher wages, or giving them pay rises based on their profit margins.
Ultimately what this comes down to is buying locally produced goods,at affordable prices, or over packaged, foreign produced goods, where the i.e fruit pickers in Southern
European countries are payed minimal amounts.
Add to that the "Air Miles" the food has to travel has an impact on the environment, due to it being flown half way accross the world.
In a time when we are being forced to reach quotas for recycling, supermarkets like Tesco do little for the environment, with millions of polythene bags dispensed / used by customers with little thought.
And maximum packaging for cosmetic and presentation purposes. How gimmicky is that ?
Using re-useable bags, buying foods where packaging is minimal, supporting your local economy, i.e. fishmongers - (where fish is far fresher); and boycotting multinationals who destroy local communities, and their level of choice.
Not everyone wants to go to a supermarket where they'll potentially end up with twice as much food as they intended buying, despite having a shopping list.
Long queues in supermarkets at busy times.
Less than friendly staff.
Terrible complaints procedures, that make you feel - whats the point?
Add to that - the disgusting special offers on alcohol - outstripping all competitors, i.e. good off licences, and wine retailers.
And doing little for the huge problem we have with over - consumption of the demon drink.
Also, many pensioners and disabled people may not wish to go around such a huge supermarket.
And prefer the traditional face to face values / contact with their local shopkeepers.
Something Tesco will never offer them.
Finally, cheap value grocieries can be bought just as easily at a local level, and without the long queues and time spent for a weekly shop.
Time to think more about our values, and where our loyalty lies, and less about saving a few pence at Farmers / Fruitpickers and sweat shops expense.
Lets stop this outsized development from going ahead. And find an alternative for the site, that meets all the communities needs.
Yes - err well John, much as there is some truth in what you say, i.e selling drink to under 18's. The jobs boost is a fallacy.
A high number of jobs will be already allocated - employed staff transferred from other stores.
Add to that Tesco wages, and terms / conditions. How else do they manage to keep their profit margins so high ?
Certainly not by paying their staff higher wages, or giving them pay rises based on their profit margins.
Ultimately what this comes down to is buying locally produced goods,at affordable prices, or over packaged, foreign produced goods, where the i.e fruit pickers in Southern
European countries are payed minimal amounts.
Add to that the "Air Miles" the food has to travel has an impact on the environment, due to it being flown half way accross the world.
In a time when we are being forced to reach quotas for recycling, supermarkets like Tesco do little for the environment, with millions of polythene bags dispensed / used by customers with little thought.
And maximum packaging for cosmetic and presentation purposes. How gimmicky is that ?
Using re-useable bags, buying foods where packaging is minimal, supporting your local economy, i.e. fishmongers - (where fish is far fresher); and boycotting multinationals who destroy local communities, and their level of choice.
Not everyone wants to go to a supermarket where they'll potentially end up with twice as much food as they intended buying, despite having a shopping list.
Long queues in supermarkets at busy times.
Less than friendly staff.
Terrible complaints procedures, that make you feel - whats the point?
Add to that - the disgusting special offers on alcohol - outstripping all competitors, i.e. good off licences, and wine retailers.
And doing little for the huge problem we have with over - consumption of the demon drink.
Also, many pensioners and disabled people may not wish to go around such a huge supermarket.
And prefer the traditional face to face values / contact with their local shopkeepers.
Something Tesco will never offer them.
Finally, cheap value grocieries can be bought just as easily at a local level, and without the long queues and time spent for a weekly shop.
Time to think more about our values, and where our loyalty lies, and less about saving a few pence at Farmers / Fruitpickers and sweat shops expense.
Lets stop this outsized development from going ahead. And find an alternative for the site, that meets all the communities needs.
Posted by: Gerald McBoing Boing, on that settee we bought at Lawrence\'s on 11:00pm Tue 17 Apr 07
That Jill Ferguson said -
[italic]"Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco."[/italic]
Aw get real. Friendly banter? In Partick? Sounds like something out of Chewin The Fat. It's also dead insulting to people who work for Tesco.
What is really behind this is pure snobbyness from the kind of pretend trendies who borrow £180,000 to pay £200,000 for a two bedroom flat in Partick and think they're part of the community.
Twenty or thirty years ago would anyone give a toss about an abandoned railway building in Benalder Street, for gooodness' sake? Next they'll be sending archaeologists to excavate the site where Cinders used to be.
And I wonder how many trendy pretendies remember Cinders, never mind been to its Reggae Nights or Gay Nights (special appearance by Kelly Marie)?
That Jill Ferguson said -
"Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco."
Aw get real. Friendly banter? In Partick? Sounds like something out of Chewin The Fat. It's also dead insulting to people who work for Tesco.
What is really behind this is pure snobbyness from the kind of pretend trendies who borrow £180,000 to pay £200,000 for a two bedroom flat in Partick and think they're part of the community.
Twenty or thirty years ago would anyone give a toss about an abandoned railway building in Benalder Street, for gooodness' sake? Next they'll be sending archaeologists to excavate the site where Cinders used to be.
And I wonder how many trendy pretendies remember Cinders, never mind been to its Reggae Nights or Gay Nights (special appearance by Kelly Marie)?
Posted by: Jill Ferguson., Glasgow. on 11:21pm Tue 17 Apr 07
Take your point that my comments on Tesco employees could be viewed as "insulting!"
as for the . .[italic] "pure snobbyness from the kind of pretend trendies who borrow £180,000 to pay £200,000 for a two bedroom flat in Partick and think they're part of the community."[/italic]
Incidentally, I do not own, not do I ever expect to afford paying a mortgage of that amount. I volunteer at a Soup Kitchen for the Homeless ( that is not snobbery!)
I also rent from a Housing Association.
And I wish there were far more affordable houses available to let / rent for those on lower salaries and joining the property ladder for the first time.
As for the Railway Buildings re -instatement, it is a matter of principle as much as an offence to pull down a Historic Building with little by way of consultation to local residents, and without the correct Building warrant / paperwork ( which has still not been seen.) except by those who supposedly signed it.
Whatever the feelings of those contributing to this Comments section - those opposed to Tesco have the right to. 1,200 have already objected to the Planning Application, and many more will no doubt object to the yet to be released Traffic Management Application.
Take your point that my comments on Tesco employees could be viewed as "insulting!"
as for the . .
"pure snobbyness from the kind of pretend trendies who borrow £180,000 to pay £200,000 for a two bedroom flat in Partick and think they're part of the community."
Incidentally, I do not own, not do I ever expect to afford paying a mortgage of that amount. I volunteer at a Soup Kitchen for the Homeless ( that is not snobbery!)
I also rent from a Housing Association.
And I wish there were far more affordable houses available to let / rent for those on lower salaries and joining the property ladder for the first time.
As for the Railway Buildings re -instatement, it is a matter of principle as much as an offence to pull down a Historic Building with little by way of consultation to local residents, and without the correct Building warrant / paperwork ( which has still not been seen.) except by those who supposedly signed it.
Whatever the feelings of those contributing to this Comments section - those opposed to Tesco have the right to. 1,200 have already objected to the Planning Application, and many more will no doubt object to the yet to be released Traffic Management Application.
Posted by: Alex Donnelly, Glasgow on 11:37pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Jill Ferguson[/bold] wrote:
SJM, Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here! Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals. Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few! It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . . as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign. Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!) [/quote] So... did you buy "No Logo" as well?
I hate the semi-snobbery of people who "boycott" labels and feel the need to point it out to people to make themselves look and feel superior.
Remember most things like Tesco, etc, started out as one or two little shops and grew into the giants they are today. I would stake money on the fact that if you offered any of the tiny 'local traders' you're trying so hard to be the voice for, they'd love to have the same fortune, breaks, etc that Tesco's original owner had and grow like Tesco did.
Also, someone referred to the student flats as a "ghetto" - how utterly utterly stupid! They can't possibly be well educated, polite and contributing members of society if they're students! No no no, they must all be a bunch of lunatics who've not seen a bath for a year.
Get with the times. Society moves on - the weak fall, the strong survive, in business as well as life. There's a reason shops like Tesco are so powerful - people LIKE them.
Jill Ferguson wrote:
SJM, Give us Campaigners and Community activists some credit here! Myself and I'm sure many others boycott Tesco and many other multi-nationals. Personally I boycott many labels as well as multinationals - Costa Coffee/ Starbucks / McDonalds etc to name a few! It wouldn't matter whether the Tesco was in my area or not. If it comes to a fight to block Tesco demolishing Maryhill Shopping Centre in favour of a massive 24 hour Development. . . . as well as this outsized development in Partick I'd happily join their campaign. Campaigns are won with "People Power", and if it means linking up with others, or doing whatever it takes to stop Tesco in Partick, Maryhill or beyond, I'm happy to do whatever it takes. ( within the law!)
So... did you buy "No Logo" as well?
I hate the semi-snobbery of people who "boycott" labels and feel the need to point it out to people to make themselves look and feel superior.
Remember most things like Tesco, etc, started out as one or two little shops and grew into the giants they are today. I would stake money on the fact that if you offered any of the tiny 'local traders' you're trying so hard to be the voice for, they'd love to have the same fortune, breaks, etc that Tesco's original owner had and grow like Tesco did.
Also, someone referred to the student flats as a "ghetto" - how utterly utterly stupid! They can't possibly be well educated, polite and contributing members of society if they're students! No no no, they must all be a bunch of lunatics who've not seen a bath for a year.
Get with the times. Society moves on - the weak fall, the strong survive, in business as well as life. There's a reason shops like Tesco are so powerful - people LIKE them.
Posted by: Stephen, Glasgow on 11:44pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Jill Ferguson[/bold] wrote:
Yes - err well John, much as there is some truth in what you say, i.e selling drink to under 18\'s. The jobs boost is a fallacy. A high number of jobs will be already allocated - employed staff transferred from other stores. Add to that Tesco wages, and terms / conditions. How else do they manage to keep their profit margins so high ? Certainly not by paying their staff higher wages, or giving them pay rises based on their profit margins. Ultimately what this comes down to is buying locally produced goods,at affordable prices, or over packaged, foreign produced goods, where the i.e fruit pickers in Southern European countries are payed minimal amounts. Add to that the \"Air Miles\" the food has to travel has an impact on the environment, due to it being flown half way accross the world. In a time when we are being forced to reach quotas for recycling, supermarkets like Tesco do little for the environment, with millions of polythene bags dispensed / used by customers with little thought. And maximum packaging for cosmetic and presentation purposes. How gimmicky is that ? Using re-useable bags, buying foods where packaging is minimal, supporting your local economy, i.e. fishmongers - (where fish is far fresher); and boycotting multinationals who destroy local communities, and their level of choice. Not everyone wants to go to a supermarket where they\'ll potentially end up with twice as much food as they intended buying, despite having a shopping list. Long queues in supermarkets at busy times. Less than friendly staff. Terrible complaints procedures, that make you feel - whats the point? Add to that - the disgusting special offers on alcohol - outstripping all competitors, i.e. good off licences, and wine retailers. And doing little for the huge problem we have with over - consumption of the demon drink. Also, many pensioners and disabled people may not wish to go around such a huge supermarket. And prefer the traditional face to face values / contact with their local shopkeepers. Something Tesco will never offer them. Finally, cheap value grocieries can be bought just as easily at a local level, and without the long queues and time spent for a weekly shop. Time to think more about our values, and where our loyalty lies, and less about saving a few pence at Farmers / Fruitpickers and sweat shops expense. Lets stop this outsized development from going ahead. And find an alternative for the site, that meets all the communities needs. [/quote] So what exactly would you do with this derelict land? From what I can see you haven't come up with very many ideas so far or are able to show a viable alternative.
Why don't you and your mates have a whip round and buy the land for £15m for Tesco's?
It's been an eyesore for years even before Tesco bought the land and on a main commuter route into Glasgow too.
It really just shows that you have never been to a Tesco's in your life as half of the comments you have made are complete mince.
So we've had the greedy business card played, disabled folk, green issues, now the poor Eastern European forced into the fields to pick fruit.
Next you will be telling us Tesco's are responsible for the US invading Iraq and WMD's.
Clutching at straws.....
Just seems to me that the over riding factor in this is that certain folk are interested in protecting their own property prices and don't want loads of new flats being build nearby.
Same folk who think Glasgow is the West End and only the West End when there's a big wide city out there with plenty of examples of how supermarkets have benefitted the communities. eg Shettleston, Springburn, Coatbridge.
Jill Ferguson wrote:
Yes - err well John, much as there is some truth in what you say, i.e selling drink to under 18\'s. The jobs boost is a fallacy. A high number of jobs will be already allocated - employed staff transferred from other stores. Add to that Tesco wages, and terms / conditions. How else do they manage to keep their profit margins so high ? Certainly not by paying their staff higher wages, or giving them pay rises based on their profit margins. Ultimately what this comes down to is buying locally produced goods,at affordable prices, or over packaged, foreign produced goods, where the i.e fruit pickers in Southern European countries are payed minimal amounts. Add to that the \"Air Miles\" the food has to travel has an impact on the environment, due to it being flown half way accross the world. In a time when we are being forced to reach quotas for recycling, supermarkets like Tesco do little for the environment, with millions of polythene bags dispensed / used by customers with little thought. And maximum packaging for cosmetic and presentation purposes. How gimmicky is that ? Using re-useable bags, buying foods where packaging is minimal, supporting your local economy, i.e. fishmongers - (where fish is far fresher); and boycotting multinationals who destroy local communities, and their level of choice. Not everyone wants to go to a supermarket where they\'ll potentially end up with twice as much food as they intended buying, despite having a shopping list. Long queues in supermarkets at busy times. Less than friendly staff. Terrible complaints procedures, that make you feel - whats the point? Add to that - the disgusting special offers on alcohol - outstripping all competitors, i.e. good off licences, and wine retailers. And doing little for the huge problem we have with over - consumption of the demon drink. Also, many pensioners and disabled people may not wish to go around such a huge supermarket. And prefer the traditional face to face values / contact with their local shopkeepers. Something Tesco will never offer them. Finally, cheap value grocieries can be bought just as easily at a local level, and without the long queues and time spent for a weekly shop. Time to think more about our values, and where our loyalty lies, and less about saving a few pence at Farmers / Fruitpickers and sweat shops expense. Lets stop this outsized development from going ahead. And find an alternative for the site, that meets all the communities needs.
So what exactly would you do with this derelict land? From what I can see you haven't come up with very many ideas so far or are able to show a viable alternative.
Why don't you and your mates have a whip round and buy the land for £15m for Tesco's?
It's been an eyesore for years even before Tesco bought the land and on a main commuter route into Glasgow too.
It really just shows that you have never been to a Tesco's in your life as half of the comments you have made are complete mince.
So we've had the greedy business card played, disabled folk, green issues, now the poor Eastern European forced into the fields to pick fruit.
Next you will be telling us Tesco's are responsible for the US invading Iraq and WMD's.
Clutching at straws.....
Just seems to me that the over riding factor in this is that certain folk are interested in protecting their own property prices and don't want loads of new flats being build nearby.
Same folk who think Glasgow is the West End and only the West End when there's a big wide city out there with plenty of examples of how supermarkets have benefitted the communities. eg Shettleston, Springburn, Coatbridge.
Posted by: sharon on 11:52pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn\'t happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.[/quote] Really? You obviously didnt spend any time at the Crow Road Retail Park at Xmas. Crow Road was jammed solid near the bottom at Dumbarton Road. I spent 20 minutes on Crow Road to travel less than a quarter of a mile.There is no way the flow of traffic can be altered at Byres Road Junction to accept the level of traffic which this new Tesco developement will generate.
Alan wrote:
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn\'t happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Really? You obviously didnt spend any time at the Crow Road Retail Park at Xmas. Crow Road was jammed solid near the bottom at Dumbarton Road. I spent 20 minutes on Crow Road to travel less than a quarter of a mile.There is no way the flow of traffic can be altered at Byres Road Junction to accept the level of traffic which this new Tesco developement will generate.
Posted by: Alex, Glasgow on 11:55pm Tue 17 Apr 07
[quote][bold]sharon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn\'t happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.[/quote] Really? You obviously didnt spend any time at the Crow Road Retail Park at Xmas. Crow Road was jammed solid near the bottom at Dumbarton Road. I spent 20 minutes on Crow Road to travel less than a quarter of a mile.There is no way the flow of traffic can be altered at Byres Road Junction to accept the level of traffic which this new Tesco developement will generate.[/quote] That's a silly example to use, because at Xmas, EVERYWHERE in the city tends to be near-gridlocked at the busy times. You expect that at Xmas, because there's not really much you can do to prevent it, no matter how well planned your city is. Can't think of a single city in the world capable of dealing efficiently with the Xmas rush, traffic-wise.
sharon wrote:
Alan wrote: Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn\'t happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Really? You obviously didnt spend any time at the Crow Road Retail Park at Xmas. Crow Road was jammed solid near the bottom at Dumbarton Road. I spent 20 minutes on Crow Road to travel less than a quarter of a mile.There is no way the flow of traffic can be altered at Byres Road Junction to accept the level of traffic which this new Tesco developement will generate.
That's a silly example to use, because at Xmas, EVERYWHERE in the city tends to be near-gridlocked at the busy times. You expect that at Xmas, because there's not really much you can do to prevent it, no matter how well planned your city is. Can't think of a single city in the world capable of dealing efficiently with the Xmas rush, traffic-wise.
Posted by: g, Outside Tesco on 12:04am Wed 18 Apr 07
Alot if these arguments seem to be coming from people that do not stay near the area in which tesco is being built. I stay right in the flats right next to where they it will be getting built. I think its absolutley disgusting that they are allowed to build it on that site. I have seen the plans for the complete build and the flats that are being built on it over look nearly everysingle flat in the area-including mine which is just before the bridge going over the river. This cant be allowed to be built!
Alot if these arguments seem to be coming from people that do not stay near the area in which tesco is being built. I stay right in the flats right next to where they it will be getting built. I think its absolutley disgusting that they are allowed to build it on that site. I have seen the plans for the complete build and the flats that are being built on it over look nearly everysingle flat in the area-including mine which is just before the bridge going over the river. This cant be allowed to be built!
Posted by: Bob, Tesco in 2010, Glasgow Central Station on 1:04am Wed 18 Apr 07
Is it just me, or do tesco love this sorta land??? st rollox a few years back, now the old partick central area, the land in partick could be better used, considering there is a 24-hours asda just across the water. but more worring for me, is were next tesco are going to build? ad bet my house they gona do something at ravenscraig. so with them making over £2bn, whos says that they cant buy central and make that into the biggest tesco in the uk????
Is it just me, or do tesco love this sorta land??? st rollox a few years back, now the old partick central area, the land in partick could be better used, considering there is a 24-hours asda just across the water. but more worring for me, is were next tesco are going to build? ad bet my house they gona do something at ravenscraig. so with them making over £2bn, whos says that they cant buy central and make that into the biggest tesco in the uk????
Posted by: James, Partick X on 3:28am Wed 18 Apr 07
Alan wrote:
Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Thanks Alan, Scott, Edders, SJM, AM, John, Gerald, Alex, Stephen
You’ve motivated me to create this email account for those who want to get in touch to show that STOP do not represent the views of the majority of Partick residents
james.partickx@googlemail.com
STOP is not interested in hearing there are thousands of people in Partick looking forward to Tesco opening.
There will NOT be 900+ student flats as STOP have been happy to propagate. There will be places for 900 students, probably around 180 flats (5 students per flat)
The lack of resident parking bays in Partick, allowing free all-day parking for commuters, has got to be one of the main contributors to traffic congestion.
Alan wrote:
Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support...
Thanks Alan, Scott, Edders, SJM, AM, John, Gerald, Alex, Stephen
You’ve motivated me to create this email account for those who want to get in touch to show that STOP do not represent the views of the majority of Partick residents
james.partickx@googlemail.com
STOP is not interested in hearing there are thousands of people in Partick looking forward to Tesco opening.
There will NOT be 900+ student flats as STOP have been happy to propagate. There will be places for 900 students, probably around 180 flats (5 students per flat)
The lack of resident parking bays in Partick, allowing free all-day parking for commuters, has got to be one of the main contributors to traffic congestion.
Posted by: Tommy, Glasgow (West End) on 7:45am Wed 18 Apr 07
[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote:
Alan wrote: Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support... Thanks Alan, Scott, Edders, SJM, AM, John, Gerald, Alex, Stephen You’ve motivated me to create this email account for those who want to get in touch to show that STOP do not represent the views of the majority of Partick residents james.partickx@googlemail.com STOP is not interested in hearing there are thousands of people in Partick looking forward to Tesco opening. There will NOT be 900+ student flats as STOP have been happy to propagate. There will be places for 900 students, probably around 180 flats (5 students per flat) The lack of resident parking bays in Partick, allowing free all-day parking for commuters, has got to be one of the main contributors to traffic congestion. [/quote] Seems there isno where to lodge your support, I tried to raise an e-gov petition to counteract STOP's but is was rejected as No.10 cannot be seen to support any such organisation.
Seems crazy that the blatant minority have a voice - but those who support TESCO's development of the area are gagged.
Typical of the Evening Times though, to focus on STOP's negativity - good balanced reporting as usual there ET (not).
James wrote:
Alan wrote: Is there anywhere for the rest of us who want Tesco to log on to and petition? I would like to lend my support... Thanks Alan, Scott, Edders, SJM, AM, John, Gerald, Alex, Stephen You’ve motivated me to create this email account for those who want to get in touch to show that STOP do not represent the views of the majority of Partick residents james.partickx@googlemail.com STOP is not interested in hearing there are thousands of people in Partick looking forward to Tesco opening. There will NOT be 900+ student flats as STOP have been happy to propagate. There will be places for 900 students, probably around 180 flats (5 students per flat) The lack of resident parking bays in Partick, allowing free all-day parking for commuters, has got to be one of the main contributors to traffic congestion.
Seems there isno where to lodge your support, I tried to raise an e-gov petition to counteract STOP's but is was rejected as No.10 cannot be seen to support any such organisation.
Seems crazy that the blatant minority have a voice - but those who support TESCO's development of the area are gagged.
Typical of the Evening Times though, to focus on STOP's negativity - good balanced reporting as usual there ET (not).
Posted by: gem, Middle East on 8:01am Wed 18 Apr 07
You are all too late it has already happened just get on with life and buy cheaper items at Tesco. Where were all the people when lady Cohen was buying votes in London I do not hear a sound; democracy was being stolen and not a cheep from any of the writers why? Why no protest when she escaped to Israel? and then merely fined no jail time. Lady Cohen was a previous owner of Tesco and still has interests.
You are all too late it has already happened just get on with life and buy cheaper items at Tesco. Where were all the people when lady Cohen was buying votes in London I do not hear a sound; democracy was being stolen and not a cheep from any of the writers why? Why no protest when she escaped to Israel? and then merely fined no jail time. Lady Cohen was a previous owner of Tesco and still has interests.
Posted by: G on 8:15am Wed 18 Apr 07
Anybody who thinks traffic will not be a problem should go and have a look at Beith Street and Dumbarton Road while Partick Cross is closed to north/south traffic while the gas main is replaced. This arrangement of the road is very close to what is proposed if the Tesco plans get the go ahead. Yesterday the traffic queue at 10 am stretched from Dumbarton Road back along Beith Street and down the Expressway slip road at Hayburn junction. Dumbarton road was jammed back beyond Partick Station from Partick Cross. As this area is already part of an air pollution 'black spot' is a development that will bring increased traffic a good idea?
Anybody who thinks traffic will not be a problem should go and have a look at Beith Street and Dumbarton Road while Partick Cross is closed to north/south traffic while the gas main is replaced. This arrangement of the road is very close to what is proposed if the Tesco plans get the go ahead. Yesterday the traffic queue at 10 am stretched from Dumbarton Road back along Beith Street and down the Expressway slip road at Hayburn junction. Dumbarton road was jammed back beyond Partick Station from Partick Cross. As this area is already part of an air pollution 'black spot' is a development that will bring increased traffic a good idea?
Posted by: Biffo the bear, Beano Town on 8:46am Wed 18 Apr 07
Who gives a toss if the ripped down an old station,Partick is full of pretentious knob heads anyways & a bit of pollution will maybe kill some of them off before they disappear up their own arse's
Who gives a toss if the ripped down an old station,Partick is full of pretentious knob heads anyways & a bit of pollution will maybe kill some of them off before they disappear up their own arse's
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 9:14am Wed 18 Apr 07
James well done.
At last we have people on here who actually represent the majority rather than the minority.
I have read a lot of the comments about the land, looking for sports centres and the like.
Do the people forgot that 5-10 min walk up the road is the Kelvin hall & in the other direction Scotstoun both centres which are acceptable for international events.
And every other piece of free land is a housing development, remember the more houses the more shops you need!
As for you Jill this is not a petty point scoring debate, from reading your views it stil appears that this is more a political protest for your to air your views rather than having concerns for the population of Partick & the surrounding areas.
If you actually bothered to canvas the whole area rather than just your protest group you might actually find there are a lot of us who are not inclined to agree with your views & will support a development whether it be Tesco or someone else.
And as for the demolition of the old railway building, a prize will go to who can tell me that last time this was actually used for something worthwhile.
Last time i remember it being used was for Partick X cabs and they moved out because it was condemed so why save it, to prop it up like all the other derilct listed buildings in the city which are an eye sore.
James well done.
At last we have people on here who actually represent the majority rather than the minority.
I have read a lot of the comments about the land, looking for sports centres and the like.
Do the people forgot that 5-10 min walk up the road is the Kelvin hall & in the other direction Scotstoun both centres which are acceptable for international events.
And every other piece of free land is a housing development, remember the more houses the more shops you need!
As for you Jill this is not a petty point scoring debate, from reading your views it stil appears that this is more a political protest for your to air your views rather than having concerns for the population of Partick & the surrounding areas.
If you actually bothered to canvas the whole area rather than just your protest group you might actually find there are a lot of us who are not inclined to agree with your views & will support a development whether it be Tesco or someone else.
And as for the demolition of the old railway building, a prize will go to who can tell me that last time this was actually used for something worthwhile.
Last time i remember it being used was for Partick X cabs and they moved out because it was condemed so why save it, to prop it up like all the other derilct listed buildings in the city which are an eye sore.
Posted by: Save Our City, Glasgow on 10:09am Wed 18 Apr 07
Excellent posts Jill Ferguson.
Power to the people.
If Tesco want to build a new supersize store (as big as they want), why don't they try flattening and building over Faslane... that way we could kill two birds with one stone.
Excellent posts Jill Ferguson.
Power to the people.
If Tesco want to build a new supersize store (as big as they want), why don't they try flattening and building over Faslane... that way we could kill two birds with one stone.
Posted by: G on 10:11am Wed 18 Apr 07
Anybody who thinks traffic will not be a problem should go and have a look at Beith Street and Dumbarton Road while Partick Cross is closed to north/south traffic while the gas main is replaced. This arrangement of the road is very close to what is proposed if the Tesco plans get the go ahead. Yesterday the traffic queue at 10 am stretched from Dumbarton Road back along Beith Street and down the Expressway slip road at Hayburn junction. Dumbarton road was jammed back beyond Partick Station from Partick Cross. As this area is already part of an air pollution 'black spot' is a development that will bring increased traffic a good idea?
Anybody who thinks traffic will not be a problem should go and have a look at Beith Street and Dumbarton Road while Partick Cross is closed to north/south traffic while the gas main is replaced. This arrangement of the road is very close to what is proposed if the Tesco plans get the go ahead. Yesterday the traffic queue at 10 am stretched from Dumbarton Road back along Beith Street and down the Expressway slip road at Hayburn junction. Dumbarton road was jammed back beyond Partick Station from Partick Cross. As this area is already part of an air pollution 'black spot' is a development that will bring increased traffic a good idea?
Posted by: G on 10:12am Wed 18 Apr 07
Anybody who thinks traffic will not be a problem should go and have a look at Beith Street and Dumbarton Road while Partick Cross is closed to north/south traffic while the gas main is replaced. This arrangement of the road is very close to what is proposed if the Tesco plans get the go ahead. Yesterday the traffic queue at 10 am stretched from Dumbarton Road back along Beith Street and down the Expressway slip road at Hayburn junction. Dumbarton road was jammed back beyond Partick Station from Partick Cross. As this area is already part of an air pollution 'black spot' is a development that will bring increased traffic a good idea?
Anybody who thinks traffic will not be a problem should go and have a look at Beith Street and Dumbarton Road while Partick Cross is closed to north/south traffic while the gas main is replaced. This arrangement of the road is very close to what is proposed if the Tesco plans get the go ahead. Yesterday the traffic queue at 10 am stretched from Dumbarton Road back along Beith Street and down the Expressway slip road at Hayburn junction. Dumbarton road was jammed back beyond Partick Station from Partick Cross. As this area is already part of an air pollution 'black spot' is a development that will bring increased traffic a good idea?
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 10:20am Wed 18 Apr 07
"This isn't sadly-blighted Sighthill or Pollok or Govan/Ibrox: the West End is the best part of the city (or so the property prices would have you believe), and we want it protected and enhanced (i.e. changed, yes, but for the best it can be)." Brad, Partick
Brad - Is this really how you feel about other areas of your own city? This is the exact kind of attitude I have come to hate in the West End. Don't think you'd be complaining if it was an M&S or "something better" being built on the site.
"This isn't sadly-blighted Sighthill or Pollok or Govan/Ibrox: the West End is the best part of the city (or so the property prices would have you believe), and we want it protected and enhanced (i.e. changed, yes, but for the best it can be)." Brad, Partick
Brad - Is this really how you feel about other areas of your own city? This is the exact kind of attitude I have come to hate in the West End. Don't think you'd be complaining if it was an M&S or "something better" being built on the site.
Posted by: G on 10:21am Wed 18 Apr 07
Sorry for double post, finger trouble.
Some of the comments pro Tesco appear to ignore the evidence widely available of what happens to areas where very large supermarkets open near traditional shopping areas. The latest I've read concerns Victoria Rd where traders blame a downturn in trade on the nearby Asda at Toryglen.
Regarding traffic increase effect, if the main road near the St Rollox Tesco has difficulty coping with the supermarket traffic what chance is there at the bottleneck at Partick Cross.
Maybe you'd like the houses there demolished so that you can buy your pint of milk a penny cheaper.
Sorry for double post, finger trouble.
Some of the comments pro Tesco appear to ignore the evidence widely available of what happens to areas where very large supermarkets open near traditional shopping areas. The latest I've read concerns Victoria Rd where traders blame a downturn in trade on the nearby Asda at Toryglen.
Regarding traffic increase effect, if the main road near the St Rollox Tesco has difficulty coping with the supermarket traffic what chance is there at the bottleneck at Partick Cross.
Maybe you'd like the houses there demolished so that you can buy your pint of milk a penny cheaper.
Posted by: Gordon Bickerton on 10:24am Wed 18 Apr 07
[quote][bold]SJM[/bold] wrote:
James well done.
At last we have people on here who actually represent the majority rather than the minority.
I have read a lot of the comments about the land, looking for sports centres and the like.
Do the people forgot that 5-10 min walk up the road is the Kelvin hall & in the other direction Scotstoun both centres which are acceptable for international events.
And every other piece of free land is a housing development, remember the more houses the more shops you need!
As for you Jill this is not a petty point scoring debate, from reading your views it stil appears that this is more a political protest for your to air your views rather than having concerns for the population of Partick & the surrounding areas.
If you actually bothered to canvas the whole area rather than just your protest group you might actually find there are a lot of us who are not inclined to agree with your views & will support a development whether it be Tesco or someone else.
And as for the demolition of the old railway building, a prize will go to who can tell me that last time this was actually used for something worthwhile.
Last time i remember it being used was for Partick X cabs and they moved out because it was condemed so why save it, to prop it up like all the other derilct listed buildings in the city which are an eye sore.[/quote] Can we see evidence that you represent the whole area. You sound like a Tesco PR person.
SJM wrote:
James well done.
At last we have people on here who actually represent the majority rather than the minority.
I have read a lot of the comments about the land, looking for sports centres and the like.
Do the people forgot that 5-10 min walk up the road is the Kelvin hall & in the other direction Scotstoun both centres which are acceptable for international events.
And every other piece of free land is a housing development, remember the more houses the more shops you need!
As for you Jill this is not a petty point scoring debate, from reading your views it stil appears that this is more a political protest for your to air your views rather than having concerns for the population of Partick & the surrounding areas.
If you actually bothered to canvas the whole area rather than just your protest group you might actually find there are a lot of us who are not inclined to agree with your views & will support a development whether it be Tesco or someone else.
And as for the demolition of the old railway building, a prize will go to who can tell me that last time this was actually used for something worthwhile.
Last time i remember it being used was for Partick X cabs and they moved out because it was condemed so why save it, to prop it up like all the other derilct listed buildings in the city which are an eye sore.
Can we see evidence that you represent the whole area. You sound like a Tesco PR person.
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 10:39am Wed 18 Apr 07
Now Gordon lets not be silly.
Tell me where I claimed to represent the whole area?
There are just as many folk who want to see something happen as are there people against it just seems that everyone should jump to Jill's tune which I dont think should be the case.
As for Tesco PR man get real, I have lived in the area long enough to know that Partick needs some sort of injection.
Many people here love to think they are the west end, rubbish where were these people 20 25 years ago when the granary was there when presto was the main supermarket before house prices rocketed cause people who thought they were better than everyone else started wanting to move to the "West End".
Now partick is just charity shops & convience stores selling drink to the under 18's.(allegedly)
I dont claim that tesco is the answer to all the problems but the reasons against seem more like someone or groups political stance against tesco rather than for the possible good of an area.
Now Gordon lets not be silly.
Tell me where I claimed to represent the whole area?
There are just as many folk who want to see something happen as are there people against it just seems that everyone should jump to Jill's tune which I dont think should be the case.
As for Tesco PR man get real, I have lived in the area long enough to know that Partick needs some sort of injection.
Many people here love to think they are the west end, rubbish where were these people 20 25 years ago when the granary was there when presto was the main supermarket before house prices rocketed cause people who thought they were better than everyone else started wanting to move to the "West End".
Now partick is just charity shops & convience stores selling drink to the under 18's.(allegedly)
I dont claim that tesco is the answer to all the problems but the reasons against seem more like someone or groups political stance against tesco rather than for the possible good of an area.
Posted by: Bill, Partick on 10:52am Wed 18 Apr 07
[quote] I dont claim that tesco is the answer to all the problems but the reasons against seem more like someone or groups political stance against tesco rather than for the possible good of an area.[/quote]
If you had come to the meeting you would know that most of the objections coming from the disparate members of the group are with regard to traffic volumes and disruption,not to Tesco per se.
As for the objectors being 'trendy', this is laughable as anyone who bothered to attend the meeting would have seen for themselves. There seems to be a tendency in this online discussion to talk about the ojectors as one homogenous group, this is inaccurate. There appeared to me to be people of all ages, backgrounds, nationalities and incomes at that meeting and none of them remotely 'trendy'.
I dont claim that tesco is the answer to all the problems but the reasons against seem more like someone or groups political stance against tesco rather than for the possible good of an area.
If you had come to the meeting you would know that most of the objections coming from the disparate members of the group are with regard to traffic volumes and disruption,not to Tesco per se.
As for the objectors being 'trendy', this is laughable as anyone who bothered to attend the meeting would have seen for themselves. There seems to be a tendency in this online discussion to talk about the ojectors as one homogenous group, this is inaccurate. There appeared to me to be people of all ages, backgrounds, nationalities and incomes at that meeting and none of them remotely 'trendy'.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 10:58am Wed 18 Apr 07
"traders blame a downturn in trade on the nearby Asda at Toryglen"
I remember when many traders where against pedestrian areas of the city centre because they would lose the passing trade of the motorists!
Perhaps we should consider pedestrian areas for Dumbarton Road and Byres Road.
We need a solution to our commuter traffic problem full stop! Don’t blame a Tesco that hasn’t been built.
james.partickx@googlemail.com
"traders blame a downturn in trade on the nearby Asda at Toryglen"
I remember when many traders where against pedestrian areas of the city centre because they would lose the passing trade of the motorists!
Perhaps we should consider pedestrian areas for Dumbarton Road and Byres Road.
We need a solution to our commuter traffic problem full stop! Don’t blame a Tesco that hasn’t been built.
james.partickx@googlemail.com
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 11:51am Wed 18 Apr 07
Alan, I do feel that places like Sighthill, Pollok and Govan have been blighted: large areas of dereliction, poor quality mono-tenure housing schemes (much of it scheduled for demolition), and so forth. That's no slight on the people who live there. But don't you think that it's a fortunate that the West End escaped the worst ravages of comprehensive redevelopment and de-industrialisation?
Not sure what you mean about my attitude: is wanting something to be good/better some kind of snobbery?
Like many other objectors, I've no problem with Tesco per se (and would prefer them to M&S): it's the specific detail of the current proposal. Have you studied this? It's perfectly possible to have a much better development that still includes a Tesco.
Alan, I do feel that places like Sighthill, Pollok and Govan have been blighted: large areas of dereliction, poor quality mono-tenure housing schemes (much of it scheduled for demolition), and so forth. That's no slight on the people who live there. But don't you think that it's a fortunate that the West End escaped the worst ravages of comprehensive redevelopment and de-industrialisation?
Not sure what you mean about my attitude: is wanting something to be good/better some kind of snobbery?
Like many other objectors, I've no problem with Tesco per se (and would prefer them to M&S): it's the specific detail of the current proposal. Have you studied this? It's perfectly possible to have a much better development that still includes a Tesco.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 11:57am Wed 18 Apr 07
Alan (again),
In response to the last part of your post... of course I wouldn't be objecting if there was "something better" proposed for the site. "something better" is exactly what we want! And in order to have any chance of that, we have to fend off the current proposals.
When you write "something better", I imagine you mean it in a pejorative sense (hence your reference to M&S). But you've no idea what my views are, please don't presume that you do.
Alan (again),
In response to the last part of your post... of course I wouldn't be objecting if there was "something better" proposed for the site. "something better" is exactly what we want! And in order to have any chance of that, we have to fend off the current proposals.
When you write "something better", I imagine you mean it in a pejorative sense (hence your reference to M&S). But you've no idea what my views are, please don't presume that you do.
Posted by: Fanto, Yorkhill on 12:57pm Wed 18 Apr 07
I'm confused by the notion that many who have commented seem to think that having a monolithic 24/7 supermarket monopolising trade the area will improve choice and drive down prices! Surely, by definition, it will do the opposite?
I used to shop in Tesco until they pulled down one of the most unique buildings in Glasgow (name me another built on stilts on a bridge) with no warning. The whole site does need regenerated but unfortunately Glasgow's planners have considered no other options for this potentially flexible area.
I'm confused by the notion that many who have commented seem to think that having a monolithic 24/7 supermarket monopolising trade the area will improve choice and drive down prices! Surely, by definition, it will do the opposite?
I used to shop in Tesco until they pulled down one of the most unique buildings in Glasgow (name me another built on stilts on a bridge) with no warning. The whole site does need regenerated but unfortunately Glasgow's planners have considered no other options for this potentially flexible area.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 1:00pm Wed 18 Apr 07
Fanto: Another building on stilts on a bridge - The Scottish Exec office over the motorway at Charing Cross. Except - it's not dangerous and falling down...
Fanto: Another building on stilts on a bridge - The Scottish Exec office over the motorway at Charing Cross. Except - it's not dangerous and falling down...
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 1:41pm Wed 18 Apr 07
Go on Fanto tell me the last time this building was actually used for something????
Go on Fanto tell me the last time this building was actually used for something????
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 2:48pm Wed 18 Apr 07
SJM, was it available to let? I'm told that there were numerous enquiries from potential occupants. Perhaps its owners (Tesco?) didn't want an occupier since they wanted rid of it? In the same way as they don't want anything happening on the rest of the site so that they portay their proposals as the only option.
SJM, was it available to let? I'm told that there were numerous enquiries from potential occupants. Perhaps its owners (Tesco?) didn't want an occupier since they wanted rid of it? In the same way as they don't want anything happening on the rest of the site so that they portay their proposals as the only option.
Posted by: restitution, Glasgow on 3:17pm Wed 18 Apr 07
If Tesco are unwanted on this site - a suggestion for those who live in the past. Let's reinstate the site to its previous use - Sprott's - distributors of Esso oil and paraffin. Anyone remember their catchphrase, painted on the fleet of lorries? I'd love to see the reaction in 2007 for a planning application for bulk paraffin storage tanks and associated lorry parking. Somehow I think that within a year all these Tesco objectors will quite happily be spending their cash at the new store.
If Tesco are unwanted on this site - a suggestion for those who live in the past. Let's reinstate the site to its previous use - Sprott's - distributors of Esso oil and paraffin. Anyone remember their catchphrase, painted on the fleet of lorries? I'd love to see the reaction in 2007 for a planning application for bulk paraffin storage tanks and associated lorry parking. Somehow I think that within a year all these Tesco objectors will quite happily be spending their cash at the new store.
Posted by: Doreen on 5:31pm Wed 18 Apr 07
Dumfries councillors have rejected a 2nd large Tesco in the town. Good on them!!!
[quote]Councillors voiced concern at traffic levels, parking provision and road safety issues and rejected the scheme by six votes to two[/quote]
Dumfries councillors have rejected a 2nd large Tesco in the town. Good on them!!!
Councillors voiced concern at traffic levels, parking provision and road safety issues and rejected the scheme by six votes to two
Posted by: Dave, Cumbernauld on 5:43pm Wed 18 Apr 07
Jill Ferguson says:
[italic]"Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco."[/italic]
Hawl! Ehh im a wee bit offended by this comment like. I'm nae Robot, the pay is actually decent for a student working part time and I am certainly not poorly treated (please explain to me how I am!). I like to share the odd bit of banter in my work so I think thon Jills comments are a bit unfounded. Tesco banter all the way. How would she know if the patter is baws anyway if she doesnt shop there.
Jill Ferguson says:
"Apart from the fact that the friendly banter, and regular conversation you get from local shop keepers can never be reciprocrated by the robot like, underpayed, and poory treated staff of giants like Tesco."
Hawl! Ehh im a wee bit offended by this comment like. I'm nae Robot, the pay is actually decent for a student working part time and I am certainly not poorly treated (please explain to me how I am!). I like to share the odd bit of banter in my work so I think thon Jills comments are a bit unfounded. Tesco banter all the way. How would she know if the patter is baws anyway if she doesnt shop there.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 6:40pm Wed 18 Apr 07
restitution, now you're just being silly...
restitution, now you're just being silly...
Posted by: Sam, Yorkhill on 11:55pm Wed 18 Apr 07
How about this: Tesco rebuilds the train station it illegally demolished, leases the site to a local housing association, and puts in plans for a Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road. If they do this, they will find that the majority will support this move. Go on Tesco, what do you say?
How about this: Tesco rebuilds the train station it illegally demolished, leases the site to a local housing association, and puts in plans for a Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road. If they do this, they will find that the majority will support this move. Go on Tesco, what do you say?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 8:21am Thu 19 Apr 07
Aye Sam very good you are the majority!!!
Aye Sam very good you are the majority!!!
Posted by: Westender on 10:00am Thu 19 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn\\\'t happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.[/quote] Asda in Bearsden for one.
Alan wrote:
Traffic Implications - Utter nonsense.. Large supermarkets like this one are made to improve the surrounding roads when they build a new store - name a new supermaket where you get stuck in traffic. It just doesn't happen. Supermarkets invest hundreds of thousands in meking it easy to get to and from their stores. If anything - this is going to greatly IMPROVE the flow of traffic arround the area. Think about what you are saying instead of talking doom and gloom.
Asda in Bearsden for one.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 10:06am Thu 19 Apr 07
Sam, there's no need whatsoever for a Tesco Metro on the site. This would offer even less items for sale than Morrisons and teh Sainsburys. The planned Tesco is going to offer far more choice than any of those shops and therefore attract far more busines. Hurra! More choice and more convenience for the local residents!
Sam, there's no need whatsoever for a Tesco Metro on the site. This would offer even less items for sale than Morrisons and teh Sainsburys. The planned Tesco is going to offer far more choice than any of those shops and therefore attract far more busines. Hurra! More choice and more convenience for the local residents!
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 10:22am Thu 19 Apr 07
And pollution and congestion, AB. And difficulty getting around - unless you actually want to go to Tesco, perhaps.
There's scope for a bigger Tesco than an Extra, without this particular monstrosity.
And pollution and congestion, AB. And difficulty getting around - unless you actually want to go to Tesco, perhaps.
There's scope for a bigger Tesco than an Extra, without this particular monstrosity.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 10:44am Thu 19 Apr 07
Perhaps if it's going to make the traffic so horrendous, it'll encourage people off the roads then.
Perhaps if it's going to make the traffic so horrendous, it'll encourage people off the roads then.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 10:50am Thu 19 Apr 07
If it's going to make traffic that horrendous - no one will be able to get to the store - it's a no-brainer - how can you even think that traffic congestion is going to be an issue?
If it's going to make traffic that horrendous - no one will be able to get to the store - it's a no-brainer - how can you even think that traffic congestion is going to be an issue?
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 11:03am Thu 19 Apr 07
The traffic problems are not so likely to affect those only coming to shop at Tesco. They'll affect those who live here and who are subject to increased pollution, are denied car access to Dumbarton Road west of Partick Cross, who can no longer park on Beith Street or Benalder Street, who cannot access Hillhead via Church Street, and traders on Dumbarton Road who will be denied passing trade. teh increase in traffic will make the area less pleasant for non-car users. Given that Tesco traffic will occupy much of the additional capacity at Hayburn junction (being paid for by Glasgow Harbour and the public purse), the development potential of the riverside may also be prejudiced. Traffic impact is already the primary concern with regard to Glasgow Harbour's own proposals for the area West of the Kelvin mouth.
Traffic on Springburn Road near Tesco's Sighthill Extra increased by 63% from 1996-2005, compared with an average of 10% for the rest of the city. I don't want that here.
The traffic problems are not so likely to affect those only coming to shop at Tesco. They'll affect those who live here and who are subject to increased pollution, are denied car access to Dumbarton Road west of Partick Cross, who can no longer park on Beith Street or Benalder Street, who cannot access Hillhead via Church Street, and traders on Dumbarton Road who will be denied passing trade. teh increase in traffic will make the area less pleasant for non-car users. Given that Tesco traffic will occupy much of the additional capacity at Hayburn junction (being paid for by Glasgow Harbour and the public purse), the development potential of the riverside may also be prejudiced. Traffic impact is already the primary concern with regard to Glasgow Harbour's own proposals for the area West of the Kelvin mouth.
Traffic on Springburn Road near Tesco's Sighthill Extra increased by 63% from 1996-2005, compared with an average of 10% for the rest of the city. I don't want that here.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 11:17am Thu 19 Apr 07
Increased by 63% doesn't actually tell us how much of a 'problem' it is and what effect, if any, it has had in the area. The rounds around, and leading into, the store have allow traffic to flow quite freely.
Increased by 63% doesn't actually tell us how much of a 'problem' it is and what effect, if any, it has had in the area. The rounds around, and leading into, the store have allow traffic to flow quite freely.
Posted by: Westender on 11:30am Thu 19 Apr 07
To say Partick has not undergone regeneration is not true. The Partick now is not the same Partick as 30 years ago. There were certainly no charity shops, no sandwich shops and no small up-market restaurants as there are now. The buildings on Dumbarton Road were cleaned and modernised, flats that were homes only to pigeons in Merkland Street were restored. I also remember a substantial gaelic speaking population so the people of the area have changed too. The area is regenerating all the time - but slowly. The cheaper 'tat' shops are closing and I think you would see less of them and charity shops in the future. But areas need there amenities be that shops, public places, public loos (now closed!) too. I would suggest a much scaled down Tesco and the bulk of the building at the Byres Rd end - makes sense for student accommodation to be nearest the uni. For the end near the river mouth I would love to see a park area. If it included a soapbox area too that would be an added attraction ;-)
To say Partick has not undergone regeneration is not true. The Partick now is not the same Partick as 30 years ago. There were certainly no charity shops, no sandwich shops and no small up-market restaurants as there are now. The buildings on Dumbarton Road were cleaned and modernised, flats that were homes only to pigeons in Merkland Street were restored. I also remember a substantial gaelic speaking population so the people of the area have changed too. The area is regenerating all the time - but slowly. The cheaper 'tat' shops are closing and I think you would see less of them and charity shops in the future. But areas need there amenities be that shops, public places, public loos (now closed!) too. I would suggest a much scaled down Tesco and the bulk of the building at the Byres Rd end - makes sense for student accommodation to be nearest the uni. For the end near the river mouth I would love to see a park area. If it included a soapbox area too that would be an added attraction ;-)
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:52pm Thu 19 Apr 07
AB, you're right but we can never really predict the future. Their is no (empirical) data... All we can do is use the experience of the past, and from other places as a guide, and try to apply that in this situation. Then we argue, using facts as best we can to support our arguments.
Tesco's Sighhill location was/is much better able to accommodate that sort of increase: it is directly adjacent to a dual carriageway junction, it is close to the M8, it is in an area with has low car ownership, is not a recognised pollution blackspot, and is not prejudicing any further development nearby.
The level of traffic generated by the Sighthill store is also relatively modest compared to that at Silverburn (with which it shares some of the aforementioned locational characteristics).
Ultimately, neither you nor I can PROVE what the traffic impact would be. Tesco are required to try but their attempt is biased and contains a number of omissions, e.g. traffic generation associated with student accommodation - they assume none! The Census of Population suggests that it was sigificant in 2001, even for Glasgow-resident students travelling only short distances. Likewise, they assess junctions in isolation, rather than as a 'system', which best practice would suggest they should in this case. As I recall, they also only analyse the current situation, and then propose a solution - they then just assume that their solution is fine (tick box), without attempt to analyse that.
AB, you're right but we can never really predict the future. Their is no (empirical) data... All we can do is use the experience of the past, and from other places as a guide, and try to apply that in this situation. Then we argue, using facts as best we can to support our arguments.
Tesco's Sighhill location was/is much better able to accommodate that sort of increase: it is directly adjacent to a dual carriageway junction, it is close to the M8, it is in an area with has low car ownership, is not a recognised pollution blackspot, and is not prejudicing any further development nearby.
The level of traffic generated by the Sighthill store is also relatively modest compared to that at Silverburn (with which it shares some of the aforementioned locational characteristics).
Ultimately, neither you nor I can PROVE what the traffic impact would be. Tesco are required to try but their attempt is biased and contains a number of omissions, e.g. traffic generation associated with student accommodation - they assume none! The Census of Population suggests that it was sigificant in 2001, even for Glasgow-resident students travelling only short distances. Likewise, they assess junctions in isolation, rather than as a 'system', which best practice would suggest they should in this case. As I recall, they also only analyse the current situation, and then propose a solution - they then just assume that their solution is fine (tick box), without attempt to analyse that.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:57pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Westender, you're right: regeneration has been organic, small things undertaken by many people. Regeneration in Glasgow has too often meant huge top-down solutions imposed without reference to the best interests of the area.
There are more reasons than traffic and impact on the adjacent area to object to this new monolith - and don't just take my word for it... read what ADS have to say:
www.ads.org.uk/download/ADS16-sept06.pdf
Westender, you're right: regeneration has been organic, small things undertaken by many people. Regeneration in Glasgow has too often meant huge top-down solutions imposed without reference to the best interests of the area.
There are more reasons than traffic and impact on the adjacent area to object to this new monolith - and don't just take my word for it... read what ADS have to say:
www.ads.org.uk/download/ADS16-sept06.pdf
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 1:39pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Thanks for the link. I've read ADS's report; what exactly are the other reasons contained therein that means we should object to the 'monolith'?
Thanks for the link. I've read ADS's report; what exactly are the other reasons contained therein that means we should object to the 'monolith'?
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 3:08pm Thu 19 Apr 07
The "number of aspects requiring further resolution": length and mass, pedestrian access and experience, safety.
You might not agree, or care, about such things but the then the planning authority doesn't consult you on issues of design.
The "number of aspects requiring further resolution": length and mass, pedestrian access and experience, safety.
You might not agree, or care, about such things but the then the planning authority doesn't consult you on issues of design.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 3:14pm Thu 19 Apr 07
No, admittedly (with the exception of the point on safety of the riverside walkway) I do not care about such things and certainly do not consider the ASD's views to warrant objecting to the plans.
No, admittedly (with the exception of the point on safety of the riverside walkway) I do not care about such things and certainly do not consider the ASD's views to warrant objecting to the plans.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 3:23pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Well AB, you're entitled to your view! I happen to think that these things - in combination with other material considerations discussed at great length elsewhere - do warrant an objection. I guess we agree to differ.
Well AB, you're entitled to your view! I happen to think that these things - in combination with other material considerations discussed at great length elsewhere - do warrant an objection. I guess we agree to differ.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 3:41pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Westender: I would suggest a much scaled down Tesco and the bulk of the building at the Byres Rd end
This store is to be sited at the Byres Rd end. Its size seems to get bigger each time it's mentioned. Tesco's floor size is only 50% bigger than Morrison's opposite.
A Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road would affect local shops more.
The traffic management problem is with us now and there are solutions for that.
Westender: I would suggest a much scaled down Tesco and the bulk of the building at the Byres Rd end
This store is to be sited at the Byres Rd end. Its size seems to get bigger each time it's mentioned. Tesco's floor size is only 50% bigger than Morrison's opposite.
A Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road would affect local shops more.
The traffic management problem is with us now and there are solutions for that.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 3:50pm Thu 19 Apr 07
STOP seems to be quite chuffed that Nick Gellatly from Tesco refuses to talk to them.
There is no one councillor to vote for who is open minded about this issue.
So who will extract the best deal for Partick before it goes ahead?
STOP seems to be quite chuffed that Nick Gellatly from Tesco refuses to talk to them.
There is no one councillor to vote for who is open minded about this issue.
So who will extract the best deal for Partick before it goes ahead?
Posted by: Westender on 3:56pm Thu 19 Apr 07
James - ideally I would not want to see a Tesco at all, but we all know that developers will win in the end with some tweaks to proposals agreed to placate the people. I was actually commenting that the store (hopefully much smaller than proposed) and the proposed housing be based at one end and park land (never likely to happen in reality) at the opposite end of the site. Sadly I have no faith in GCC to do anything sensible such as even to take on board locals' views. As they state when objecting to new flats anywhere in the west end - they have a right to raise as much council tax as possible for the city. Money dominates. I just don't see much in council services being spent in the west end to be honest. I feel the west end sacrifices too much for Glasgow and soon there will be nothing left of what makes it a special place, it'll all be concrete and buildings designed for a short commercial life span, be that as flats or supermarkets.
James - ideally I would not want to see a Tesco at all, but we all know that developers will win in the end with some tweaks to proposals agreed to placate the people. I was actually commenting that the store (hopefully much smaller than proposed) and the proposed housing be based at one end and park land (never likely to happen in reality) at the opposite end of the site. Sadly I have no faith in GCC to do anything sensible such as even to take on board locals' views. As they state when objecting to new flats anywhere in the west end - they have a right to raise as much council tax as possible for the city. Money dominates. I just don't see much in council services being spent in the west end to be honest. I feel the west end sacrifices too much for Glasgow and soon there will be nothing left of what makes it a special place, it'll all be concrete and buildings designed for a short commercial life span, be that as flats or supermarkets.
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 4:00pm Thu 19 Apr 07
It may be helpful to point out that the West End does not exist in a vacuum.
It may be helpful to point out that the West End does not exist in a vacuum.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 4:01pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Sorry Westender - your Council Tax argument doesn't stand up. Students don't pay Council Tax.
Sorry Westender - your Council Tax argument doesn't stand up. Students don't pay Council Tax.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 4:12pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Westender: I have no faith in GCC to do anything sensible such as even to take on board locals' views.
The Labour party will not dominate the next GCC after May 3. The STV system should help to make the new lot more responsive and accountable.
It doesn't change the fact that yours is the minority view in Partick.
Westender: I have no faith in GCC to do anything sensible such as even to take on board locals' views.
The Labour party will not dominate the next GCC after May 3. The STV system should help to make the new lot more responsive and accountable.
It doesn't change the fact that yours is the minority view in Partick.
Posted by: Westender on 4:13pm Thu 19 Apr 07
It is all too obvious that the westend is not in a vacuum. The only positive point is that there can't be many areas there left to build on by now!
Private housing is also proposed so there will be council tax implications.
It is all too obvious that the westend is not in a vacuum. The only positive point is that there can't be many areas there left to build on by now!
Private housing is also proposed so there will be council tax implications.
Posted by: James on 4:35pm Thu 19 Apr 07
The council tax won't be around much longer!
The council tax won't be around much longer!
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:47pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Westender, you are the type of snob that the people for this proposal are up against.
Is the "West End" a magical land where everything is wonderfull and it is an unspoilt beauty.
How the **** does it sacrifice too much for Glasgow???
Sorry to get personal but it's time to leave cloud cuckoo land.
The west end is not the be all and end all of Glasgow and is not wondeful world you would have us believe in I can assure you of that.
Westender, you are the type of snob that the people for this proposal are up against.
Is the "West End" a magical land where everything is wonderfull and it is an unspoilt beauty.
How the **** does it sacrifice too much for Glasgow???
Sorry to get personal but it's time to leave cloud cuckoo land.
The west end is not the be all and end all of Glasgow and is not wondeful world you would have us believe in I can assure you of that.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 4:55pm Thu 19 Apr 07
James, I'm not sure that we know whose is the minority view... where is the evidence? I haven't seen STOP claiming to represent the majority (as you do).
In any case, planning decisions are not made by ballot: they are supposed be based on an informed (rather than popular) view of the material planning considerations. It is the strength and relevance of arguments that matters (although in this case, the waters are muddied by the Council's financial interest in the site).
What is clear, however, is that there IS substantial opposition which is seeking to substantiate its objections in terms of the material considerations. Those with an opposing view are free to do likewise, of course.
Labour might still have an overall majority in the city after the Council elections. It's noticeable that many local politicians have lined up against Tesco: if the majority of local voters are so keen for Tesco, why would they do that?
James, I'm not sure that we know whose is the minority view... where is the evidence? I haven't seen STOP claiming to represent the majority (as you do).
In any case, planning decisions are not made by ballot: they are supposed be based on an informed (rather than popular) view of the material planning considerations. It is the strength and relevance of arguments that matters (although in this case, the waters are muddied by the Council's financial interest in the site).
What is clear, however, is that there IS substantial opposition which is seeking to substantiate its objections in terms of the material considerations. Those with an opposing view are free to do likewise, of course.
Labour might still have an overall majority in the city after the Council elections. It's noticeable that many local politicians have lined up against Tesco: if the majority of local voters are so keen for Tesco, why would they do that?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 4:56pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Hey all you guys at STOP get your protest hats on Tesco want to build on Love Street now.
Are you going to fight this one or is Paisley just not trendy enough?
Hey all you guys at STOP get your protest hats on Tesco want to build on Love Street now.
Are you going to fight this one or is Paisley just not trendy enough?
Posted by: AB, Glasgow on 5:00pm Thu 19 Apr 07
It's not in their back yard, so it'll be fine...
It's not in their back yard, so it'll be fine...
Posted by: James, Partick X on 5:17pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Brad, does it bother you that STOP are lying to the people of Partick about student flats? They have known for at least 6 months that there will be 900+ students not that number of flats.
Brad, does it bother you that STOP are lying to the people of Partick about student flats? They have known for at least 6 months that there will be 900+ students not that number of flats.
Posted by: Bill, Partick on 5:33pm Thu 19 Apr 07
STOP aren't lying about the number of flats. I was at the meeting the other night and the 900 extra students were being discussed. Not 900 flats.
Pethaps Linwood could do with this Tesco development. As I understand it there will also be a library and community centre built. Not knowing enough about it I can't comment further other than to say I hope that local people's views and needs will be taken into consideration and that everything will be conducted above aboard. Much as I wish for this Partick proposal.
STOP aren't lying about the number of flats. I was at the meeting the other night and the 900 extra students were being discussed. Not 900 flats.
Pethaps Linwood could do with this Tesco development. As I understand it there will also be a library and community centre built. Not knowing enough about it I can't comment further other than to say I hope that local people's views and needs will be taken into consideration and that everything will be conducted above aboard. Much as I wish for this Partick proposal.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 5:37pm Thu 19 Apr 07
James, I know that these things get confused (every newspaper report has different numbers), although I couldn't say I've seen STOP specifically say 900 "flats". Maybe they have: I've not heard anyone claim more than 900 students though, which is presumably what you're getting at. It's the numbers of people that matters, not the layout of their accommodation. Presumably, they will have their own rooms with some shared facilities, like regular dorms.
What is clearly misleading is Tesco's assertion that 900 students will not generate any traffic. If they have evidence to back that up, they don't show it. The Census says that 19% of Glasgow students who travelled under 3 miles to their place of study did so by car/van/taxi.
Likewise, I don't see your evidence that you are the majority. Not that it matters - you have exactly the same opportunity to make your views known as everyone else. Speak only for yourself; others can do likewise.
James, I know that these things get confused (every newspaper report has different numbers), although I couldn't say I've seen STOP specifically say 900 "flats". Maybe they have: I've not heard anyone claim more than 900 students though, which is presumably what you're getting at. It's the numbers of people that matters, not the layout of their accommodation. Presumably, they will have their own rooms with some shared facilities, like regular dorms.
What is clearly misleading is Tesco's assertion that 900 students will not generate any traffic. If they have evidence to back that up, they don't show it. The Census says that 19% of Glasgow students who travelled under 3 miles to their place of study did so by car/van/taxi.
Likewise, I don't see your evidence that you are the majority. Not that it matters - you have exactly the same opportunity to make your views known as everyone else. Speak only for yourself; others can do likewise.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 5:42pm Thu 19 Apr 07
They have been happy to quote 900+ flats. Since there are 5 to a flat, this would infer over 4500 students and that is just absurd.
They have been happy to quote 900+ flats. Since there are 5 to a flat, this would infer over 4500 students and that is just absurd.
Posted by: Mizz on 5:47pm Thu 19 Apr 07
[bold]It's not in their back yard, so it'll be fine...[/bold]
What business is it of people in Partick what the people in Linwood do?
Equally, are people not allowed a say in what they'd like to happen in their 'back yard' just because you happen not to agree with it?
It is interesting that so many of the MSPs and councillors seem opposed to the development in its current state. Would they really stand up against something that the majority of their constituents support so close to an election? Perhaps this is an indicator of what 'the majority' really believes, I don't know.
It's not in their back yard, so it'll be fine...
What business is it of people in Partick what the people in Linwood do?
Equally, are people not allowed a say in what they'd like to happen in their 'back yard' just because you happen not to agree with it?
It is interesting that so many of the MSPs and councillors seem opposed to the development in its current state. Would they really stand up against something that the majority of their constituents support so close to an election? Perhaps this is an indicator of what 'the majority' really believes, I don't know.
Posted by: Bill, Partick on 5:48pm Thu 19 Apr 07
[bold]They have been happy to quote 900+ flats[/bold] .
Evidence?
They have been happy to quote 900+ flats .
Evidence?
Posted by: James, Partick X on 5:48pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Brad, it is to be a condition of their lease that they will not have cars. That is the logic of the proposal. What other body of people could we fairly ask not be car owners in a new development?
Students who have cars can apply for residence at established halls elsewhere.
Brad, it is to be a condition of their lease that they will not have cars. That is the logic of the proposal. What other body of people could we fairly ask not be car owners in a new development?
Students who have cars can apply for residence at established halls elsewhere.
Posted by: Westender on 7:53pm Thu 19 Apr 07
[quote][bold]SJM[/bold] wrote:
Westender, you are the type of snob that the people for this proposal are up against.
Is the \"West End\" a magical land where everything is wonderfull and it is an unspoilt beauty.
How the **** does it sacrifice too much for Glasgow???
Sorry to get personal but it\'s time to leave cloud cuckoo land.
The west end is not the be all and end all of Glasgow and is not wondeful world you would have us believe in I can assure you of that.[/quote] Hahahahahahaha. Your comments are hilarious. Have you ever been to Boston? The one in the US that is? The Victorian district there is just wonderfully preserved and draws many a tourist thus aiding the economy of the whole city. The Edwardian loviness of the west end could be a Glasgow equivalent but it's being 'sold down the Clyde'.
Snob am I? You must work for Tesco and know my buying habits. Must go the champagne is getting warm in the evening sunshine. Brilliant stuff.
SJM wrote:
Westender, you are the type of snob that the people for this proposal are up against.
Is the \"West End\" a magical land where everything is wonderfull and it is an unspoilt beauty.
How the **** does it sacrifice too much for Glasgow???
Sorry to get personal but it\'s time to leave cloud cuckoo land.
The west end is not the be all and end all of Glasgow and is not wondeful world you would have us believe in I can assure you of that.
Hahahahahahaha. Your comments are hilarious. Have you ever been to Boston? The one in the US that is? The Victorian district there is just wonderfully preserved and draws many a tourist thus aiding the economy of the whole city. The Edwardian loviness of the west end could be a Glasgow equivalent but it's being 'sold down the Clyde'.
Snob am I? You must work for Tesco and know my buying habits. Must go the champagne is getting warm in the evening sunshine. Brilliant stuff.
Posted by: Doreen, Glasgow on 8:29pm Thu 19 Apr 07
[quote]Perhaps Linwood could do with this Tesco development. As I understand it there will also be a library and community centre built.[/quote]
Bill - as I understand it the Love St development is totally separate from Linwood which is just 3 miles up the road. We're talking [bold]two[/bold] huge Tesco developments in a local area here.
[quote]it is to be a condition of their lease that they will not have cars. That is the logic of the proposal.[/quote]
And the students will stick to that, of course - NOT. They will simply park their cars around the streets of Partick
Perhaps Linwood could do with this Tesco development. As I understand it there will also be a library and community centre built.
Bill - as I understand it the Love St development is totally separate from Linwood which is just 3 miles up the road. We're talking
two huge Tesco developments in a local area here.
it is to be a condition of their lease that they will not have cars. That is the logic of the proposal.
And the students will stick to that, of course - NOT. They will simply park their cars around the streets of Partick
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 9:05pm Thu 19 Apr 07
Sorry westender/bellender you are the joke Boston has hee haw to do with Partick.
When people you know get stabbed to death in the wonderful west end come back & tell me how good it is then.
Clown
Sorry westender/bellender you are the joke Boston has hee haw to do with Partick.
When people you know get stabbed to death in the wonderful west end come back & tell me how good it is then.
Clown
Posted by: Westender on 10:05pm Thu 19 Apr 07
[quote][bold]SJM[/bold] wrote:
Sorry westender/bellender you are the joke Boston has hee haw to do with Partick.
When people you know get stabbed to death in the wonderful west end come back & tell me how good it is then.
Clown [/quote] I don't believe violence knows geography and your comment is far removed from not wishing another supermarket in an area that is an historic part of the city. Stick to the point in question or find a more appropriate comments area to make your point.
SJM wrote:
Sorry westender/bellender you are the joke Boston has hee haw to do with Partick.
When people you know get stabbed to death in the wonderful west end come back & tell me how good it is then.
Clown
I don't believe violence knows geography and your comment is far removed from not wishing another supermarket in an area that is an historic part of the city. Stick to the point in question or find a more appropriate comments area to make your point.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 10:23pm Thu 19 Apr 07
"Since there are 5 to a flat, this would infer over 4500 students and that is just absurd."
James, I completely agree: the population of Partick was only about 6000 in 2001. But I've not seen STOP "infer" anything like that (e.g. on their website, the term "bedspaces" was used at Monday's meeting). If you can, as Bill asked, show us the evidence, you are right to point it out. If the papers or others have got it mixed up, that's their issue.
Anyway, who says there are "5 to a flat": depends on the flat! Many, maybe most, Partick flats are modestly sized (certainly compared to Hillhead) - there are students in my close - 2 per flat.
As Doreen points out, banning students from having or using cars is meaningless. Who'd enforce that? How? What I DO recall from the application was that they wouldn't be allowed to use on-site parking - perhaps that was what you meant?
"Since there are 5 to a flat, this would infer over 4500 students and that is just absurd."
James, I completely agree: the population of Partick was only about 6000 in 2001. But I've not seen STOP "infer" anything like that (e.g. on their website, the term "bedspaces" was used at Monday's meeting). If you can, as Bill asked, show us the evidence, you are right to point it out. If the papers or others have got it mixed up, that's their issue.
Anyway, who says there are "5 to a flat": depends on the flat! Many, maybe most, Partick flats are modestly sized (certainly compared to Hillhead) - there are students in my close - 2 per flat.
As Doreen points out, banning students from having or using cars is meaningless. Who'd enforce that? How? What I DO recall from the application was that they wouldn't be allowed to use on-site parking - perhaps that was what you meant?
Posted by: marcel marceau, Billy Smart's Circus on 11:40pm Thu 19 Apr 07
[quote][bold]SJM[/bold] wrote:
Sorry westender/bellender you are the joke Boston has hee haw to do with Partick.
When people you know get stabbed to death in the wonderful west end come back & tell me how good it is then.
Clown [/quote]
SJM wrote:
Sorry westender/bellender you are the joke Boston has hee haw to do with Partick.
When people you know get stabbed to death in the wonderful west end come back & tell me how good it is then.
Clown
Posted by: James, Partick X on 11:48pm Thu 19 Apr 07
5 to a flat is a fact.
The Chairman of STOP told me personally he was happy for 900+ Flats to be quoted.
Glasgow's policy on parking as stated in "Moving Glasgow Forward" document (pages 56-61 is for widening Controlled Parking Zones.
Residents will need permits, the students will not qualify.
I know it is also a fact that there will be no petrol station at this Tesco.
5 to a flat is a fact.
The Chairman of STOP told me personally he was happy for 900+ Flats to be quoted.
Glasgow's policy on parking as stated in "Moving Glasgow Forward" document (pages 56-61 is for widening Controlled Parking Zones.
Residents will need permits, the students will not qualify.
I know it is also a fact that there will be no petrol station at this Tesco.
Posted by: James, Partick X on 12:08am Fri 20 Apr 07
To correct one thing I said earlier, I have since found there is at least one candidate for councillor in Partick West who is open minded about this issue.
To correct one thing I said earlier, I have since found there is at least one candidate for councillor in Partick West who is open minded about this issue.
Posted by: Karen on 2:13am Fri 20 Apr 07
I want Tesco but only if it is going to offer more choice than we have in our local supermarkets e.g.socks, books. A large supermarket is a much better place for a disabled person to shop than the shops on Dumbarton Road.Tesco do encourage recycling.I don't think any of the shops localy are threatened by Tesco.STOP has now STOPped claiming there could be 900 student flats. Let's try and work out our traffic problem with or without Tesco. Resident parking would stop workers using our steets as free parking. By the way has anyone ever used Morrisons toilet?
I want Tesco but only if it is going to offer more choice than we have in our local supermarkets e.g.socks, books. A large supermarket is a much better place for a disabled person to shop than the shops on Dumbarton Road.Tesco do encourage recycling.I don't think any of the shops localy are threatened by Tesco.STOP has now STOPped claiming there could be 900 student flats. Let's try and work out our traffic problem with or without Tesco. Resident parking would stop workers using our steets as free parking. By the way has anyone ever used Morrisons toilet?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 7:51am Fri 20 Apr 07
westender/Bellender
Sorry to go so off subject for you I was just reminding you that the west end utopia that you live in is not the one that everyone else lives in.
As for Edwardian architecture, where in the vicinity of the tesco proposal is that.
Beith street, small red brick flats circa 1960, Partick x junction new build flats approx 5-10 years old, Riverfront new build flats, hayburn street new build flats as well as tenements. The old Partick Marine has new build flats attached to them.
Unfortunately you are now in my opinion portraying yourself as the stereotypical snob who craves to be known as someone from the west end so you fit in with the rest of the trendies.
I hope Tesco succeeds just to see the look on your lots faces.
James Partick X keep up the good work.
westender/Bellender
Sorry to go so off subject for you I was just reminding you that the west end utopia that you live in is not the one that everyone else lives in.
As for Edwardian architecture, where in the vicinity of the tesco proposal is that.
Beith street, small red brick flats circa 1960, Partick x junction new build flats approx 5-10 years old, Riverfront new build flats, hayburn street new build flats as well as tenements. The old Partick Marine has new build flats attached to them.
Unfortunately you are now in my opinion portraying yourself as the stereotypical snob who craves to be known as someone from the west end so you fit in with the rest of the trendies.
I hope Tesco succeeds just to see the look on your lots faces.
James Partick X keep up the good work.
Posted by: Westender on 8:56am Fri 20 Apr 07
[quote][bold]SJM[/bold] wrote:
westender/Bellender
Sorry to go so off subject for you I was just reminding you that the west end utopia that you live in is not the one that everyone else lives in.
As for Edwardian architecture, where in the vicinity of the tesco proposal is that.
Beith street, small red brick flats circa 1960, Partick x junction new build flats approx 5-10 years old, Riverfront new build flats, hayburn street new build flats as well as tenements. The old Partick Marine has new build flats attached to them.
Unfortunately you are now in my opinion portraying yourself as the stereotypical snob who craves to be known as someone from the west end so you fit in with the rest of the trendies.
I hope Tesco succeeds just to see the look on your lots faces.
James Partick X keep up the good work.
[/quote] I am not against Tesco being in Partick but rather the scale of the planned one at present. In an ideal world yes I think the land could be put to better use but as I have stated earlier some sort of a Tesco will be build there.
Your opinion of me means nothing - turning this comments area into a snob/class conversation again digresses from the point in question and says more about you than me. Keep tugging your forelock if it makes you feel any better tho.
:-)
SJM wrote:
westender/Bellender
Sorry to go so off subject for you I was just reminding you that the west end utopia that you live in is not the one that everyone else lives in.
As for Edwardian architecture, where in the vicinity of the tesco proposal is that.
Beith street, small red brick flats circa 1960, Partick x junction new build flats approx 5-10 years old, Riverfront new build flats, hayburn street new build flats as well as tenements. The old Partick Marine has new build flats attached to them.
Unfortunately you are now in my opinion portraying yourself as the stereotypical snob who craves to be known as someone from the west end so you fit in with the rest of the trendies.
I hope Tesco succeeds just to see the look on your lots faces.
James Partick X keep up the good work.
I am not against Tesco being in Partick but rather the scale of the planned one at present. In an ideal world yes I think the land could be put to better use but as I have stated earlier some sort of a Tesco will be build there.
Your opinion of me means nothing - turning this comments area into a snob/class conversation again digresses from the point in question and says more about you than me. Keep tugging your forelock if it makes you feel any better tho.
:-)
Posted by: Bill, NE Scotland on 9:45am Fri 20 Apr 07
Hi, I stay in NE Scotland in Inverurie and we have Tesco and a Morrisons. Was just wanting to say that claiming local traders will be decimated if the development goes ahead is a rather sweeping statement.
Inefficient traders may be forced to close, but here in Inverurie our local shops are booming and even M&S are thinking of opening a food store.
I don't want to comment on whether the site is right or wrong but please don't use the fate of local shopekeepers as an excuse to stop this development!
Hi, I stay in NE Scotland in Inverurie and we have Tesco and a Morrisons. Was just wanting to say that claiming local traders will be decimated if the development goes ahead is a rather sweeping statement.
Inefficient traders may be forced to close, but here in Inverurie our local shops are booming and even M&S are thinking of opening a food store.
I don't want to comment on whether the site is right or wrong but please don't use the fate of local shopekeepers as an excuse to stop this development!
Posted by: Westender on 9:58am Fri 20 Apr 07
Yes I agree with Bill there. A huge Tesco opened in the far north and now folks can get more exotic ingredients for recipes that they could see on TV but had to travel to Inverness to buy. A local trader missed an opportunity there.
Yes I agree with Bill there. A huge Tesco opened in the far north and now folks can get more exotic ingredients for recipes that they could see on TV but had to travel to Inverness to buy. A local trader missed an opportunity there.
Posted by: marcel marceau, Billy Smart\'s Circus on 10:15am Fri 20 Apr 07
SJM if you are looking for a job you would do well here. Tesco know more the populations buying habits than any other UK organisation. If they were trying to appeal to only certain classes then they would not be the UK's leading supermarket. They cater for all and sell to all. I am suer if they open in Partick there will be luxuries and basics available to buy.
What size of red nose do you take?
SJM if you are looking for a job you would do well here. Tesco know more the populations buying habits than any other UK organisation. If they were trying to appeal to only certain classes then they would not be the UK's leading supermarket. They cater for all and sell to all. I am suer if they open in Partick there will be luxuries and basics available to buy.
What size of red nose do you take?
Posted by: SJM, Glasgow on 10:50am Fri 20 Apr 07
Well Gee thanks Marcel imagine a supermarket that sells to everyone what ever next?
Oh an buy the way GTF and take your circus with you.
Well Gee thanks Marcel imagine a supermarket that sells to everyone what ever next?
Oh an buy the way GTF and take your circus with you.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 11:10am Fri 20 Apr 07
"5 to a flat is a fact."? 2 to a flat (as in my close) is also a fact?
Did the Chairman tell you there'd be 4500 students? I know him, and other STOP people and have never heard this inferred. "I say he said" isn't really evidence (coming from you or from me), and you aren't even claiming that he told you that was the position. Anyway, WE both know what the plans are.
I know there isn't a petrol station as part of the proposal! I didn't say their was! I made a joke about Clubcards, that's all...
The proposed policies in Moving Glasgow Forward don't appear to have reached this area yet - have you been consulted on a permit zone? I live at Partick Cross, and haven't. The document's policies are not site-specific - I don't know if or when the policy will be proposed here, or whether it will be implemented. Equally, there are lots of other non-site specific plans and policies (some statutory, unlike MGF) you can use to argue against the proposal - look at STOP's sample objection letter, and the one from the Structure Plan team highlighting the conflict with that Plan. They don't have a bespoke policy for that site but they believe that this proposal contravenes their general policy directions. But as I've said before, you are free to make your case using the arguments you wish. Me likewise, and I hope you'll agree that the evidence I draw upon is correct, even if you don't agree with the conclusions I draw.
"5 to a flat is a fact."? 2 to a flat (as in my close) is also a fact?
Did the Chairman tell you there'd be 4500 students? I know him, and other STOP people and have never heard this inferred. "I say he said" isn't really evidence (coming from you or from me), and you aren't even claiming that he told you that was the position. Anyway, WE both know what the plans are.
I know there isn't a petrol station as part of the proposal! I didn't say their was! I made a joke about Clubcards, that's all...
The proposed policies in Moving Glasgow Forward don't appear to have reached this area yet - have you been consulted on a permit zone? I live at Partick Cross, and haven't. The document's policies are not site-specific - I don't know if or when the policy will be proposed here, or whether it will be implemented. Equally, there are lots of other non-site specific plans and policies (some statutory, unlike MGF) you can use to argue against the proposal - look at STOP's sample objection letter, and the one from the Structure Plan team highlighting the conflict with that Plan. They don't have a bespoke policy for that site but they believe that this proposal contravenes their general policy directions. But as I've said before, you are free to make your case using the arguments you wish. Me likewise, and I hope you'll agree that the evidence I draw upon is correct, even if you don't agree with the conclusions I draw.
Posted by: marcel marceau on 11:57am Fri 20 Apr 07
[quote][bold]SJM[/bold] wrote:
Well Gee thanks Marcel imagine a supermarket that sells to everyone what ever next?
Oh an buy the way GTF and take your circus with you.[/quote] Pity - many a time circus folks stayed on that site. See the diversity that there was in that area at one time.
SJM wrote:
Well Gee thanks Marcel imagine a supermarket that sells to everyone what ever next?
Oh an buy the way GTF and take your circus with you.
Pity - many a time circus folks stayed on that site. See the diversity that there was in that area at one time.
Posted by: Mizz on 4:58pm Fri 20 Apr 07
Hmm. It's all going a bit ad hominem in here but I guess only the 'snobs' and 'trendies' will know what I mean by that.
I must confess to being completely bamboozled by the assertion upthread that the students' leases will not allow them to have cars. How on earth does this person know the lease conditions on flats that are not only not built yet but that do not yet have approval. This is a genuine question.
Hmm. It's all going a bit ad hominem in here but I guess only the 'snobs' and 'trendies' will know what I mean by that.
I must confess to being completely bamboozled by the assertion upthread that the students' leases will not allow them to have cars. How on earth does this person know the lease conditions on flats that are not only not built yet but that do not yet have approval. This is a genuine question.
Posted by: Brad, Partick on 5:44pm Fri 20 Apr 07
Mizz, it's not me you're asking but... it may have been a suggestion (or even a promise) in the documents with the planning application. I don't know/can't remember. Whether such a promise is worth the paper it's written on is a reasonable question. I'm not sure if anyone has agreed to lease the student accommodation.
Alan's point re: extension of parking permit areas would be more effective - that way you could make it a real pain to be a student car owner (since it's also proposed that they couldn't use the store car park) but that's not something Tesco can impose, and while the Council are minded to extend permit zones, I'm not sure that there is a fixed plan to implement it at that site.
People (inc. students) will also always find other ways to park too.
I had to look up "ad hominem" but then I shop at Lidl (and presumably am not one of those 'snobs' and 'trendies' who prefer M&S). Lots of labels in German - can't understand 'em either.
Think I'm going to try and wean myself off this thread... enjoy your weekend (you too, Alan!). I may not be here on Monday!
Mizz, it's not me you're asking but... it may have been a suggestion (or even a promise) in the documents with the planning application. I don't know/can't remember. Whether such a promise is worth the paper it's written on is a reasonable question. I'm not sure if anyone has agreed to lease the student accommodation.
Alan's point re: extension of parking permit areas would be more effective - that way you could make it a real pain to be a student car owner (since it's also proposed that they couldn't use the store car park) but that's not something Tesco can impose, and while the Council are minded to extend permit zones, I'm not sure that there is a fixed plan to implement it at that site.
People (inc. students) will also always find other ways to park too.
I had to look up "ad hominem" but then I shop at Lidl (and presumably am not one of those 'snobs' and 'trendies' who prefer M&S). Lots of labels in German - can't understand 'em either.
Think I'm going to try and wean myself off this thread... enjoy your weekend (you too, Alan!). I may not be here on Monday!
Posted by: Mizz on 6:07pm Fri 20 Apr 07
Ooh, I'm a Lidl lass myself - all the best.
Ooh, I'm a Lidl lass myself - all the best.
Posted by: Samer Bagaeen, Glasgow on 10:52am Sat 21 Apr 07
I have been watching this discussion with interest and now feel some points of clarification are needed:
1. The subject of this newspaper article is the demolition of the old ticket office in Partick. The paperwork appears to indicate that this was done illegally. You may agree or disagree or feel the building was a waste of space. The issue remains the apparent illegality of the demolition.
2. STOP (www.stoptesco.info) has a clear position on the proposed Tesco in Partick (as outlined in the objection letter on the STOP website). These objections stem from the proposal being against several policies in the Glasgow City Plan 2003 (which you are welcome to examine at GCC offices) and several strategies in the Glasgow and Clyde Valley Structure Plan (again this is available to the public). The psoposals are also against several Scottish Executive planning and transport policy statements and all of these are available from the Executive in Edinburgh.
3. On the traffic implications front, Tesco have obviously comissioned their own assessment report, as has STOP. The experts here agree to disagree.
4. On the impact for local businesses, STOP asked a local traders association representative to speak at the public meeting on 16 APril. STOP does not speak on behalf of the local traders.
5. STOP does not get involved in other campaigns nor does it express opinion on other Tesco proposals.
I hope this helps.
Samer
I have been watching this discussion with interest and now feel some points of clarification are needed:
1. The subject of this newspaper article is the demolition of the old ticket office in Partick. The paperwork appears to indicate that this was done illegally. You may agree or disagree or feel the building was a waste of space. The issue remains the apparent illegality of the demolition.
2. STOP (www.stoptesco.info) has a clear position on the proposed Tesco in Partick (as outlined in the objection letter on the STOP website). These objections stem from the proposal being against several policies in the Glasgow City Plan 2003 (which you are welcome to examine at GCC offices) and several strategies in the Glasgow and Clyde Valley Structure Plan (again this is available to the public). The psoposals are also against several Scottish Executive planning and transport policy statements and all of these are available from the Executive in Edinburgh.
3. On the traffic implications front, Tesco have obviously comissioned their own assessment report, as has STOP. The experts here agree to disagree.
4. On the impact for local businesses, STOP asked a local traders association representative to speak at the public meeting on 16 APril. STOP does not speak on behalf of the local traders.
5. STOP does not get involved in other campaigns nor does it express opinion on other Tesco proposals.
I hope this helps.
Samer
Posted by: M.F., Thornwood. on 2:39pm Sat 21 Apr 07
Sam, Yorkhill says:
[italic]italic[/italic] How about this: Tesco rebuilds the train station it illegally demolished, leases the site to a local housing association, and puts in plans for a Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road. If they do this, they will find that the majority will support this move. Go on Tesco, what do you say?[italic]italic[/italic]
Nobody posting here from Jordanhill, Broomhill, Partickhill ? And very few from Yorkhill or Hillhead. This is by no means just a Partick Issue. It is by no means decided by the Planning Department.
If people do not look at the full picture, the alternatives, or the damage done to peoples level of choice to shop in future, it will be too late.
Sam, Yorkhill says:
How about this: Tesco rebuilds the train station it illegally demolished, leases the site to a local housing association, and puts in plans for a Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road. If they do this, they will find that the majority will support this move. Go on Tesco, what do you say?
Nobody posting here from Jordanhill, Broomhill, Partickhill ? And very few from Yorkhill or Hillhead. This is by no means just a Partick Issue. It is by no means decided by the Planning Department.
If people do not look at the full picture, the alternatives, or the damage done to peoples level of choice to shop in future, it will be too late.
Posted by: M.F., Thornwood on 2:43pm Sat 21 Apr 07
Sam, Yorkhill says:
[italic]How about this: Tesco rebuilds the train station it illegally demolished, leases the site to a local housing association, and puts in plans for a Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road. If they do this, they will find that the majority will support this move. Go on Tesco, what do you say?[/italic]
I'd fully support that idea.
As I see nobody posting here from Jordanhill, Broomhill, Partickhill ? And very few from Yorkhill or Hillhead. This is by no means just a Partick Issue. It is by no means decided by the Planning Department.
If people do not look at the full picture, the alternatives, or the damage done to peoples level of choice to shop in future, it will be too late.
sorry about the double posting.
Sam, Yorkhill says:
How about this: Tesco rebuilds the train station it illegally demolished, leases the site to a local housing association, and puts in plans for a Tesco Metro on Dumbarton Road. If they do this, they will find that the majority will support this move. Go on Tesco, what do you say?
I'd fully support that idea.
As I see nobody posting here from Jordanhill, Broomhill, Partickhill ? And very few from Yorkhill or Hillhead. This is by no means just a Partick Issue. It is by no means decided by the Planning Department.
If people do not look at the full picture, the alternatives, or the damage done to peoples level of choice to shop in future, it will be too late.
sorry about the double posting.
Posted by: Andy, Glasgow G3 on 5:41pm Tue 24 Apr 07
Interestingly the price of flats in this are of Yorkhill-Pointhouse-Partick is blighted by this development, asking prices are frozen close to what they were 4 years ago. I have a friend in Ferry Road she bought her first floor flat in 2003 in the waverly Gate development she recently had it valued at only 5,000 more than she paid for it.
If the development was such a good thing surely house values in the immediate area would soar.
Even without Tesco the decline in the shops in Partick is inevitable, but some small shops will survive, with Tesco none will. If you want to know what happens just pay a visit to the centre of Hamilton which was a thriving hub until a massive 24hr Asda was opened on the Palace grounds.
I like shopping at Tesco but now refuse to buy from them.
Interestingly the price of flats in this are of Yorkhill-Pointhouse-Partick is blighted by this development, asking prices are frozen close to what they were 4 years ago. I have a friend in Ferry Road she bought her first floor flat in 2003 in the waverly Gate development she recently had it valued at only 5,000 more than she paid for it.
If the development was such a good thing surely house values in the immediate area would soar.
Even without Tesco the decline in the shops in Partick is inevitable, but some small shops will survive, with Tesco none will. If you want to know what happens just pay a visit to the centre of Hamilton which was a thriving hub until a massive 24hr Asda was opened on the Palace grounds.
I like shopping at Tesco but now refuse to buy from them.
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