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X marks the spoilt ballot ... in Glasgow alone there were more than 15,000 spoilt papers as people got confused by the two different voting forms
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Today the Evening Times publishes a special eight-page pictures and results special. To download the supplement as it appears in print click here
 
 

by Brian Currie

THE elections to the Scottish Parliament descended into chaos with counts suspended, tens of thousands of papers rejected - and little idea of an overall winner.

As it was confirmed a full inquiry would be held, it was feared up to 150,000 papers might be affected.

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Salmond and McConnell set for Holyrood battle

JACK McConnell and Alex Salmond will slug it out in the Scottish Parliament after Mr McConnell held on to his constituency and Mr Salmond became an MSP for the second time.

The Labour leader comfortably retained his Motherwell and Wishaw seat, while the SNP boss overturned a LibDem majority in Gordon of more than 4000 to win by 2062.

And LibDem boss Nicol Stephen is certain to be heavily involved in coalition talks with them when the dust finally settles after holding on to his Aberdeen South constituency.

Mr Salmond will be joined as a first past the post winner by Nicola Sturgeon who made it third time lucky in Govan after beating Labour's Gordon Jackson.

Ms Sturgeon said: "This is the first SNP victory in a general election in Glasgow. It will not be the last."

Mr McConnell refused to be drawn on whether he would resign sign if the party only won by a narrow margin.

He said: "It's far too early to speculate if we win narrowly. We won the debate and we won the campaign.

"Ultimately it remains to be seen if we have won enough votes."

Despite the First Minister refusing to speculate on the outcome he said he had never been nervous throughout the campaign.

He added: "It's been an exhilarating campaign and it has been a campaign that has increased interest in the Scottish Parliament and has increased knowledge of the Scottish Parliament."

Mr Salmond said there was a "wind of change" blowing through Scottish politics.

Mr Stephen saw his majority slashed from 8016 to 2732 but predicted his party's policies heralded a "bright future" for the country.

He claimed: "Our campaign has focused on policies that will make a real difference to people's lives."

Tory boss Annabel Goldie has said the Conservatives will not be involved in any coalition.

In Glasgow Shettleston there were more than 2000 rejected papers, while in Airdrie and Shotts the number of spoilt papers outnumbered the Labour majority.

The shambles came on a night the SNP made significant gains, but with almost one-third of the results still to be declared this afternoon, the political map of Scotland remained unclear.

With 93 of the 129 results in, the state of the parties was Labour 36, SNP 34, LibDems 12, Tories 10 and Greens 1.

Critics said a major reason for the shambles was holding elections for the Scottish Parliament and local councils on the same day - using two different voting systems.

On the council ballot forms, voters were asked to number their preferences, while the Parliament votes were marked with a cross.

There were also suggestions that problems with the postal voting system left many people disenfranchised. And there were difficulties with the electronic counting.

The number of spoilt papers was unprecedented. In Glasgow Anniesland, where Bill Butler held the seat for Labour, there were 1736 rejected papers.

Baillieston saw 1850 ruled out, more than 10% of the total number of votes accepted.

And in Govan, where Nicola Sturgeon had a 744 majority, 1220 papers were rejected.

That was also the position in Airdrie and Shotts, where the 1536 spoilt papers was more than Karen Whitefield's majority.

Overall in Glasgow, there were 15,458 papers rejected, around 8% of the total number cast. Other areas with hundreds of rejected papers included Cumbernauld and Kilsyth, 803; Dumfries 1006; Dundee East, 913 and Inverness East, 1249.

The mayhem led to counts being suspended across the country.

Only one result was declared in Edinburgh - at about 6am - before it was abandoned.

Argyll and Bute also called a halt and will start again at 3pm.

And officials also called a halt at Strathkelvin and Bearsden, Eastwood, Livingston and Linlithgow, Perth and Tayside North and Aberdeen.

Opposition parties said the situation was a disaster, but a spokeswoman for the company behind the vote-counting technology described it as a "temporary interruption to one small aspect of the overall process".

However, SNP campaign director Angus Robertson said: "I think what has happened is disastrous for the conduct of elections because it undermines people's confidence in the decision-making process of our democracy and nothing is more precious than that."

Tory leader Annabel Goldie said: "In some seats the number of spoilt ballots has increased tenfold and, on occasion, is greater than the majority of the winning candidate.

"When taken in conjunction with the level of turnout it brings into question the whole democracy of the Scottish Parliament.

"It is unacceptable that tens of thousands of voters have effectively been disenfranchised.

She attacked Labour and the LibDems for not holding the local and Holyrood elections on different days.

Green co-leader Robin Harper said he was "very concerned" about the issue because of the effect it could have on his party's vote.

He said: "It's horrendous, a complete mess. This is a disaster."

Election quotes
We have won the debate. It remains to be seen tonight whether we have won the votes in individual constituencies. - First Minister Jack McConnell, after being returned as Labour MSP for Motherwell and Wishaw in the first result to be declared.
I'm thinking of starting a party-for-spoilt-papers party." - Scottish Senior Citizens and Unity party leader John Swinburne.

There is a wind of change blowing through Scottish politics. - SNP leader Alex Salmond after winning the Gordon constituency.
In some seats the number of spoilt ballots has increased tenfold. It is quite simply unacceptable that tens of thousands of voters have effectively been disenfranchised. - Tory leader Annabel Goldie on the "spoilt ballot" debacle.
It feels great. I am over the moon. I was hopeful I would be elected but I didn't know for sure until I was told how many votes we had. It has been a great night for the SNP - Bashir Ahmad became the first Asian MSP when he topped list in Glasgow
Some have questioned my decision to keep trying in Govan, but perseverance, hard work and a never-say-die spirit has paid off. I will serve the people of Govan to the best of my ability. - Nicola Sturgeon on gaining the closely contested Glasgow seat.
John Swinburne of the Senior Citizens' Unity Party said the situation was "scandalous".

SNP boss Alex Salmond was heavily critical of the postal voting arrangements, describing them as "totally inadequate".

He added that the decision to conduct a Single Transferable Vote election at the same time as a first past the post ballot for the Scottish Parliament was "deeply mistaken".

He said: "Tens of thousands of votes across Scotland have been discounted. That is totally unacceptable in a democratic society."

Liberal Democrat Scottish spokeswoman Jo Swinson said: "You've got voters who have been disenfranchised because they did not get their postal votes in time. And then you've more in each constituency, whose votes have been discounted because of uncertainty."

David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister in charge of the running of the election, said: "We'll have to wait and see what Returning Officers tell us.

"There is clearly an issue about the number of spoilt ballot papers.

"When Electoral Commission officers start looking at the election they will be asked to focus on the number of spoilt papers."

However, Mr Cairns did not blame the electronic counting machines.

And a spokesman for the returning officer in Glasgow said: "Obviously we have to have this examined fully.

"Early indications show that there is a high number of rejected ballot papers in Glasgow and across the country and this would appear to be a result of voter confusion."

Sonya Anderson, head of elections at DRS, the company behind the vote counting technology, said today: "We are having some known issues with the consolidation of results.

"We are working with those returning officers and our technical teams to get those results as quickly as possible. The e-counting system has not crashed. The system remains secure and robust with all audit information logged. This is a temporary interruption to one small aspect of the process."

Explaining what went wrong she added it was taking longer than anticipated to pull the results together.

A Scotland Office spokesman said: "E-counting has worked well in a number of areas and voters can be reassured that where counts have been completed the results are accurate.

"Obviously, in various places, serious technical failures have arisen, and we share the public's concern about the high number of rejected papers.

"The independent Electoral Commission will undertake a statutory review into the conduct of this election. It is important that they look as a matter of urgency into delays in postal ballots, the high number of spoilt ballot papers, and the performance of the electronic counting machines."

Amid the chaos, there were some spectacular gains and losses.

Alex Salmond was re-elected to Holyrood, this time in Gordon, with a majority of 2062. The SNP also robbed Labour of Kilmarnock and Loudoun, Cunninghame North, Central Fife, Dundee West and Stirling.

But Labour defied expectations in some areas.

Cathie Craigie held on to Cumbernauld and Kilsyth, while Elaine Murray increased her majority over the Tories in Dumfries.

While the SNP snatched Gordon from the Liberal Democrats, Nicol Stephen's party took Dunfermline West from Labour, but then the Tories snatched Roxburgh and Berwickshire from them.

Tommy Sheridan of Solidarity and Rosie Kane of the SSP both lost their Glasgow list seats, and Bashir Ahmad became Scotland's first Asian MSP, after he was elected for the Nationalists on the Glasgow list.

Publication date 04/05/07

Posted by: Kev, Glasgow on 12:22pm Fri 4 May 07
Please disband the Scottish Parliament - total wast of time, money and manpower.

Voted against it on Day 1 and has yet to prove its worth
Posted by: Kil Rimin, Glasgow on 1:14pm Fri 4 May 07
What happened to "the great saviour of the working class"....Tommy Sheridan?
Posted by: Andy, Glasgow on 1:41pm Fri 4 May 07
Kev, I'm with you. THey cost us a sodding fortune through there in Edinburgh. Get rid of it!
Posted by: snoopshug, ipod on 1:57pm Fri 4 May 07
In England they are laughing at us. We can't even organise an election, what chance have we of running our own country.

Guess the union will remain and in fairness at least it's a bit more stable than our shambles of little hitlers.

Posted by: snoopshug, ipod on 2:02pm Fri 4 May 07
Kil Rimin wrote:
What happened to "the great saviour of the working class"....Tommy Sheridan?
Sheridan never has been a working class hero. He's always just been in it for himself. He leads a middle class life, had a middle class education and is now raking in a fortune as a celebrity esp in football and comedy circles.

Worse still, when he is on TV it's hard to take him seriously with his false fixed grin and sycophancy to TV presenters.

Sheridan just has a nodding acquaintance with the working class and is now just a performing monkey dancing to the whoever pays hims most in the media.

Total joker.

Posted by: Tiny, glasgow on 2:16pm Fri 4 May 07
I THINK THIS IS A SCANDEL ABOUT THE VOTES? IM NOT SO SURE IT IS US SCOTTISH WHO MUCKED UP. THIS COULD WORK WELL FOR US IN THE END? AS FOR SURE WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAIN! SO COME ON SCOTLAND VOTE FOR SNP AND ALL YOU WHO DID NOT USE YOUR VOTE USE IT. OK MAYBE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF WORK TO GET OUR COUNTRY UP AND RUNNING BUT HELL IT WILL BE GREAT IN THE LONG RUN FOR OUR FUTUR. AS FOR BEING A COUNTRY WITH OIL? ITS NORMAL ENGLAND DOES NOT WANT US TO PART. THEY ARE NOT FOR THE GREAT BRITON THING? THEY ARE FOR WHAT THEY CAN GET FROM US. SO LETS PUT AN END TO THAT HISTORY WITH THEM AND BUILD A GREAT HISTORY FOR THE FUTURE STARTING WITH THE INDEPENDANTS
Posted by: pmac, Glasgow on 2:20pm Fri 4 May 07
The system for counting votes may be a shambles but to see that in anyway as a blueprint for Scotland becoming an indepoendent country is plain stupid. The point I'd like to make though is how we are currently supposed to be living in as democratic United Kingdom and that this was seemingly interrupted by most of the tabloid press siding with the Labour Party line yesterday. I was disgusted by The Record, Sun, Express yesterday and their scare tactics aimed at floating voters. Ashamed to be Scottish reading that....democracy?
Posted by: Elmo on 2:58pm Fri 4 May 07
Tiny wrote:
I THINK THIS IS A SCANDEL ABOUT THE VOTES? IM NOT SO SURE IT IS US SCOTTISH WHO MUCKED UP. THIS COULD WORK WELL FOR US IN THE END? AS FOR SURE WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAIN! SO COME ON SCOTLAND VOTE FOR SNP AND ALL YOU WHO DID NOT USE YOUR VOTE USE IT. OK MAYBE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF WORK TO GET OUR COUNTRY UP AND RUNNING BUT HELL IT WILL BE GREAT IN THE LONG RUN FOR OUR FUTUR. AS FOR BEING A COUNTRY WITH OIL? ITS NORMAL ENGLAND DOES NOT WANT US TO PART. THEY ARE NOT FOR THE GREAT BRITON THING? THEY ARE FOR WHAT THEY CAN GET FROM US. SO LETS PUT AN END TO THAT HISTORY WITH THEM AND BUILD A GREAT HISTORY FOR THE FUTURE STARTING WITH THE INDEPENDANTS
The best advert for not voting SNP I have read yet.

'Caps Lock' is on the left.
Posted by: Jill Ferguson, Glasgow on 3:39pm Fri 4 May 07

This Election has yet again proved to be the farce it threatened to be! No single party is worth the paper it's written on or worth the lies and hypocrisy that spouts from its candidates or elected members mouths.

UKIP got one thing right - Sack them all!

As for Tommy Sheri"tan" From the Republic of Pollokuba, as so nicely put by our friend Jonathan Watson his reign is well and truly over. And the internal party split along with his smaug level of arrogance and self satisfaction in the campaigning of "Solidarity" - Sorry who ? has seen his downfall.

Lets just hope to goodness that SNP in all their triumpalism don't get ahead of themselves and jump in feet first with their policy changes and shake up before a serious time out spell to think through where we go from now. Politics is a mugs game, and theres plenty to choose from in todays game.

Lets just not see the same mistakes made time and time again, to the detriment of us the electorate and people so many of whom voted the Nationalist's in.




Posted by: alan, glasgow on 3:45pm Fri 4 May 07
What actually constitutes a spoilt paper? i know some people would deliberatly graffiti over their ballot papers, then it was spoilt, but with the confusion of what paper is for what election, its pretty frustrating.

with all of the kerfuffle over spoilt papers. It would be easier to to

a) give the electorate ONE ballot paper and STILPULATE that it is either marked with a cross or a number.

b) or better still, introduce electronic voting, or voting from the internet, interactive tv or phone voting - but ensure that each individual has a unique key number to enter into whilst voting, thus to ensure that there is no multiple voting (this aint pop idol or x factor you know)
Posted by: Take a pill Jill, Ferguslie on 3:49pm Fri 4 May 07
Jill Ferguson wrote:
This Election has yet again proved to be the farce it threatened to be! No single party is worth the paper it's written on or worth the lies and hypocrisy that spouts from its candidates or elected members mouths. UKIP got one thing right - Sack them all! As for Tommy Sheri"tan" From the Republic of Pollokuba, as so nicely put by our friend Jonathan Watson his reign is well and truly over. And the internal party split along with his smaug level of arrogance and self satisfaction in the campaigning of "Solidarity" - Sorry who ? has seen his downfall. Lets just hope to goodness that SNP in all their triumpalism don't get ahead of themselves and jump in feet first with their policy changes and shake up before a serious time out spell to think through where we go from now. Politics is a mugs game, and theres plenty to choose from in todays game. Lets just not see the same mistakes made time and time again, to the detriment of us the electorate and people so many of whom voted the Nationalist's in.
what a load of cliched tripe you write...are you Watson's scriptwriter? Neither funny nor relative your post is pointless and inaccurate. It's not even worthy of the title commentary.

I can't believe I'm even responding but hey maybe it will educate you.

Posted by: mactheknife, Darnley on 3:55pm Fri 4 May 07
alan wrote:
What actually constitutes a spoilt paper? i know some people would deliberatly graffiti over their ballot papers, then it was spoilt, but with the confusion of what paper is for what election, its pretty frustrating. with all of the kerfuffle over spoilt papers. It would be easier to to a) give the electorate ONE ballot paper and STILPULATE that it is either marked with a cross or a number. b) or better still, introduce electronic voting, or voting from the internet, interactive tv or phone voting - but ensure that each individual has a unique key number to enter into whilst voting, thus to ensure that there is no multiple voting (this aint pop idol or x factor you know)
Apparently the confusion came from ballot papers saying - mark twice. It had two votes going on and people marked it four times.

Stupid? One ballot paper should be for one vote only.

Some bright spark has probably thought, to save people walking to the local school twice why not have two elections on one paper. And now its come back to bite them.

I also heard a nutter with a golf club smashed open ballot boxes and tore up hundreds of ballot papers only for them to me sellotaped together later.

Then finally, I heard loads of votes went into the computer system and the computer didnt register them.

Only in Scotland
Posted by: alan, glasgow on 4:59pm Fri 4 May 07
mactheknife, sorry i forgot to include that point in my previous post, 1 ballot paper for 1 vote only. sorry for confusion.
Posted by: Oor_Wullie, ma_bucket on 5:16pm Fri 4 May 07
Noo, if it actually is 150K + votes affected/discounted (cant be bothered working out what percentage of the electorate that is, but it is in no way negligible..), there are no winners in this Farce, only Losers. TIme for a rethink and a retake, methinks, by this level of f-up, has nothing more to do with democracy. Sorry, but the apparent inability to organise wir very ain Brewery ****-Up hardly bodes well for Independence either. WTF is this aw fir a carry-oan, seriously..
Posted by: Tennscot on 5:25pm Fri 4 May 07
I think they must have taken lessons and used the same equipment as the Bush elections. Same thing happened and some are still calling it Phoney.!!!I Wonder??????
Posted by: Oor_Wullie, ma_bucket on 7:36pm Fri 4 May 07
..naw, ah mean, issit just me, or if we are really gonna use "electronic vote-counting systems", then, lets USE the **** things - how difficult wid it be fir a quick (and private) run-through on a "test" machine reader *before* yi drop in your paper, Green Light says its OK/readable, Red, Do Not Pass Go (or give up..) - Hey Presto! Failure Rate from 10% to under 0.1% in one easy move, still (if necessary) secret, provable, countable, checkable, etc.

Ah mean, such systems huv only worked fir the Lotteries o aboot 50 different countries fir the last twenty years or so, its no as if wir stretchin technology tae its limits here or anything. And, in aw fairness tae the people who designed/built the countin machines/software here, it seems ever-increasingly likely that the designers o the actual ballot papers are the real villians here, aw o whom should be Hung By Their Chads Until They Snap.. Not like they didnae huv time tae consider the matter beforehand, or indeed ideally-wisey test it oot on some unwary punters first, or whatever - make no mistake but, *someones* goolies should be rollin fir this, an nae mistake.
Posted by: Davy on 7:48pm Fri 4 May 07
OOr Wullie....you should be in the nearest pub tae Glebe Street right noo celebratin' wi' everybody else in Dundee !
P.S. Tell Paw Broon he still owes me a fiver !
Posted by: Oor_Wullie, ma_bucket on 8:49pm Fri 4 May 07
..raither be on the GWR than Glebe thair right noo Davy, but cheers! anyways, hooever, unfortunately, ahm far away frae both.. ah dunno, take mesel an ma bucket on Holiday furrabit, whit happens, cannae leave yis tae run an *** raffle, sno real.. ahn dont git me stairted on yon Postal Votes noo either.. ;-) Still, dunno whit ahm celebratin, but ahll gie it mah best go likes ;-)

May Yis Drink Like Yis Wir Born In The Earliest Days O A Better Nation

"P.S. Tell Paw Broon he still owes me a fiver !"
- never heard yi thair like ;-) - but ahll gie Daphne yir Best Regards Later aw the same, Slange!
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