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Posted by: joe, glasgow on 10:07pm Fri 4 May 07 you could nae make it up! lost postal votes, tens of thousands of spoiled papers, machines not working,fog,a man with a golf club, and the most one sided press coverage ever, with no attempt to remain impartial on the day of the election. FREE PRESS. Not in this country. The ballot may have been a shambles, but any one with any hint of integrity who works/ writes/ reports for a Scottish paper should be hanging their heads in shame. Whatever happened to TRUTH, BALANCE, HONESTY, etc etc. Gone. Front page headlines on the day of the vote where a total disgrace.Bogus counts of jobs lost,government departments closing, and not a shred of material to back up any of this. They might as well have said the NHS will shut down next week and all pension payments will stop tomorrow if you dare to back any one who is in favour of independance. It may have worked, but not well enough. Who knows what the future holds for Scotland and its people? Only one thing has emeged so far from this election, the press in this country is dis credited for ever. Look at the coverage of the election in news sites from around the world. Every where else you get an attempt at balance inthe reports (even in sites from USA) We have to ask can we have democracy without a truely free and impartial press? Posted by: brian, canada on 12:02am Sat 5 May 07 Well done SNP ,now lets get on with with the task of independance and maybe ex pats like myself may come home to a Scotland that can make it's own decisions just like grownups do. Posted by: paulmac, glasgow on 12:46am Sat 5 May 07 Well said Joe. I've never been so happy at a political result in my life. They tell us we are apathetic towards politics. They tell us we will lose our jobs, have to pay more money, have no defence, will not be able to stand up for ourselves etc etc etc the papers shove the message further down our throats - people would have been influenced - both for and against, but in the end a process has started. I believe now that those people should be made accountable for these stories and I'd sign up or take part in any steps to do so. They - the media responsible for the disgustingly distorted Labour led lies printed on May 3 - should be protested against by consumer power - don't buy them. All who voted SNP. Posted by: Smoker, In my office, smoking on 12:48am Sat 5 May 07 Posted by: Paulmac, glasgow on 12:53am Sat 5 May 07 Good Riddance, McConnell, and if I ever see any of them, the Labour scare brigade, in the streets, I will do something I don't normally do, even if my kids are there, and shout 'disgrace' or 'shame' or something along those lines. Posted by: Gerry Coogan, Glasgow on 1:00am Sat 5 May 07 Congratulations to the SNP. I hope that Mr. Salmond will allow the Scottish Parliament an opportunity to express the Scottish people's disapproval of the ongoing war crimes initiated by the Labour Party. Defence may be a matter reserved for Westminster but there is no reason why the Scottish Parliament should not state whether they approve of the UK's support for neo-con imperialists in Washington who are hell-bent on world domination. Posted by: Jack Meehoff, Windy- Le- Willow on 8:26am Sat 5 May 07 Posted by: tom, glasgow on 9:27am Sat 5 May 07 The best thing that came out of this election is that Wee Jack the Maths teacher can go back to the only place where teachers should remain...school with his nice fat pension for a few years attempt at work, and leave real world issues to ordinary working people. McConnell only ever really spoke about education and couldnt even get that right. When it came to other issues especially world issues, he was an embarassment. He has done more to make people desire independence than the SNP ever could. I am not a supporter of independence but welcome this result if it means the demise of the incompetent ridiculous Wee Jack......Good riddance! Posted by: Jane Newlands, Glasgow on 9:39am Sat 5 May 07 Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 10:32am Sat 5 May 07 As someone else has said, this is the start of a process, which I hope will see a stronger, fairer society forming in Scotland which the children of Scotland can grow up to be proud of. Start teaching kids to be proud of themselves, their parents and their country again and we will se a change for the better in our communities. Posted by: somerferg, Oz on 11:00am Sat 5 May 07 Naughty, naughty Marianne - your article smacks of sour grapes. Alex Salmond has run and WON a positive, professional and successful campaign and he deserves to be First Minister. He will put Scotland and the Scots first which is alot more than we can say for lackey Jack. Posted by: Richard Quinn, Glasgow on 12:52pm Sat 5 May 07 Well done the SNP. What a disgrace to their profession and their Country was the front page headlines and scare stories of the Daily Record and Unionist cohort newspapers at the election time. It is very telling in the results how many of their readers are affected by reading such rubbish, and how revealing that the SNP managed to win so much despite such stories. I wouldn’t wipe my **** with, never mind buy such a rag. Maybe they think it is necessary commercially to bow to their paymaster’s wishes because of how much of OUR money the Labour Executive and Council gives to them for advertising. Let us see if they can survive without as much of it, because they don’t deserve to survive at all because of how much bias they portray in their stories. You reap what you sow. Posted by: Austin Low, Glasgow, Scotland on 2:32pm Sat 5 May 07 Have you not realised that no one has won this election? Or that it wasn't an election? An election is when every person, 18+, who has registered, elects a new government. I did not recieve my postal vote, and was told, oh yeah about that well sorry nothing we can do about it! By following this issue in a logical manner, without doing this again, properly, there can be no new democractically elected government. I believe this to be correct, if you don't think so please explain why as I cannot understand this issue!!!!! Posted by: Susan, Glasgow on 5:36pm Sat 5 May 07 I agree. Does nobody realise that the SNP hasven't really won. 1 seat diffrence. Big Deal! With an election dominated with a low turn and so many spoilt papers, how can you say the SNP's win was significant. Is no one worried about the future of Scotland under the SNP. A higher cost of living and greater unemployment! Posted by: bob, glasgow on 5:49pm Sat 5 May 07 this election was a total shambles,wipe the slate then have a rerun then you will see the real winner,far too many spoilt papers to make an end to it. Posted by: Loby, glesga on 9:04pm Sat 5 May 07 Aye, exactly. SNP gets 30%+ of a duff process with a turnout below 50% - jings, a whole 15% of the entire electorate think that Alex S deserves to be king of the hill! Just so you independence geeks get the message - 85% of the Scottish electorate didna vote for ye! So stick that in yer pipe and smoke it. Posted by: Billy Brown, Glasgow on 4:55am Sun 6 May 07 I think we should all go back to the ballot boxes especially with the shambles on May 3rd. We learned on that day and I think we should go back and vote again... There were too many wasted ballot papers and candidates were elected without the course of using those wasted ballots. What is the point when there is 150,000 wasted ballot in Glasgow alone? Best thing to do is to go back to the ballots..... I also think candidates should not stand for more than one election. If they do, they should resign from one if elected in the Scottish Parliament and Local Government. It's certainly not democracy if an elected representative works in the Scottish Parliament and the Local Government. You either get elected into one or none .... Posted by: Biffo the bear, Bash Street on 9:03am Sun 6 May 07 bob wrote:The truth is that Scotland deserves this pathetic result due to their apathy over the election.. The ballot papers were pretty easy to understand if you took 5mins away from watching soaps or indulging Chantel/Brittney with a Mac-Ds,i sent my dog to vote for me it was that simple.. The only winner once again are the POLITICIANS filling their pockets with public monies while we the public get shafted again.... Posted by: david, East Kilbride on 10:21am Sun 6 May 07 Marianne Taylor............... Your first paragraph on Alex Salmons speech is not correct. Many of us have listened into what he said live on radio and television and if you don't understand if, if, if ... go back to school and start your studies again ... A B C. Throughout this election we have had the most biased pro-union stance in all the media.. Most likely your misquote on Alex was not stupidity but another attempted smear... Education Education Education Posted by: Douglas Reid, Glasgow on 2:54pm Sun 6 May 07 Over the past 3 centuries Scotland has haemorrhaged its most intelligent and vigorous people to England, North America and elsewhere. Those left are basically the dim and apathetic. And while we may have had many immigrants during the last 150 years, most are people unable to succeed in other more developed countries (such as England, France, Germany or the USA). That is why there were so many spoiled papers and such a low turnout at the election. That is also the reason why we simply could not, and should not even try, to govern ourselves. Unlike other similarly sized countries (e.g. Switzerland, Norway, Ireland), we are just not bright enough to do the job and must remain in the Union with England so that our superior and beneficent neighbour may continue to look after us. Posted by: David, East Kilbride on 3:26pm Sun 6 May 07 Speak for yourself son. ( Douglas Reid ) I feel so sorry that your esteem is so low that you attempt to tar others as we see you .. Of course I can see a wee bit of where you come from when you digest Joke McConnell , Wee Wendy, Jamieson, Kerr etc etc ... Now that shower are an insult to the Scottish people yet the uneducated gave them a vote .... LOL sad but true.. Posted by: Willie Hunter, Dunfermline on 9:57pm Sun 6 May 07 Firstly I would like to think that by voting SNP this was the country's way of giving the Labour Party a wee kick up the backside. If it came to voting independence tommorow voters would soon change there mind and vote for what they thought was best. Posted by: bob, glasgow on 10:16pm Sun 6 May 07 Posted by: James on 12:12pm Mon 7 May 07 Alex Salmond is a small minded bigot, he'll be the death of Scotland, poeples anger at the Iraq war won this election not that potatoe faced no manifesto having buffoon. Scotland has experienced the greatest growth since records began under Labour leadership, everywhere you look schools and hospitals are being built, more Scots than ever before are going onto higher education. Salmond doesn't have a policy to his name that makes a shread of commonsence. He wants us to leave the worlds 5th largest economy on the back of a dwindeling oil supply. If independance happens Scotland will be throwing back 30years to the same shambolic socialist style government that was so innefectual in the late 70's, If this is what the Scottish people decide in 2010 then good luck to you, I'll be moving south where polotics is won and lost over policies over health and education as opposed to some wee romantic notion of having a county of our own Posted by: Simon, Glasgow on 1:06pm Mon 7 May 07 Poor James...completely suckered by the Labour propaganda. He says that education is better thanks to Labour, yet he cannot spell nor use grammar correctly. His thoughts are typical of a bigot, saying that others are bigots. His evidence for Labour making Scotland better, he shouts "everywhere you look schools and hospitals are being built." Not in my region they aren't. I hope for two reasons that Scotland soon achieves its destiny by becoming independent: to be able to decide what's best for our own people and that idiots like James ****-off (his own admission). Anyway, onto my point. This Evening Times article is as disgraceful as the Daily Record and The Sun. Posted by: Jimmy, Glasgow on 2:40pm Mon 7 May 07 Susan: "A higher cost of living and greater unemployment." Any chance you could source that? Even the Financial Times said an independent Scottish economy would be quite healthy. Are you a Record reader? 'Loby': "85% of the Scottish electorate didna vote for ye! So stick that in yer pipe and smoke it." Meaning more than 85% didn't vote for Labour. There has neverbeen a government in UK politics elected with more than 50% of the electorate. Stop pretending it's important now. To the 150,000 who spoiled their ballots (or more accurately, messed then up, as 'spoiling' is an intentional protest at the system in general): if you'd managed to read the simple instruction at the top of the paper, maybe you wouldn't be disenfranchised. As has been stated on boards elsewhere, maybe the opinions of numpties who can't handle simple tasks shouldn't be counted anyway. Posted by: Jimmy, Glasgow on 2:48pm Mon 7 May 07 James: some spelling advice poeples - people's potatoe - potato shread - shred commonsence - commonsense dwindeling - dwindling independance - independence innefectual - ineffectual polotics - politics Spelling and puntuation are not the most important things in life, of course, but when one writes like an infant it's hard to believe that their political thought is of the highest intellectual order. Posted by: LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS, west coast on 5:34pm Mon 7 May 07 If only the Scots could see past their own noses that when you have parties bankrolled by millionaires and clearly part of the establishment it doesn't matter who gets in, their primary goal will be to keep their millionaire backers happy and continue the inequality that has remained due to Scotlands election system that FAILS us all time and again. True democracy is about giving us all the right to freely vote ,that cannot occur as the media ensure they concentrate SOLELY on the establishment parties with their RICH funders. NONE of these parties have any interest in the VAST majority of Scotlands people.We as a group have experience of dealing with those parties at Holyrood and have seen the complete lack of attention to constituents who have been fleeced through the star chamber court system that has destroyed Scots who successfully beat deprivation and went on to build up homes and capital only to be asset stripped by the despots controlling our courts. ALL of the MSP's that Scotland voted for are the same bunch of mobsters who did NOTHING repeat DID NOTHING to improve this situation .Instead ignored the massive amounts of evidence that show Scotlands wealth is not harmed by political gangsters but the non elected shadow legal gangsters who are causing massive injustice in our courts. Courts that have been highjacked by mobsters who are running them for their own financial advantage while greatly undermining ALL scottish people that are dragged through a disgusting and lengthy spectacle of injustice that makes even Hitlers mob pale by comparison.ANYONE as yet who has not faced Scotlands civil courts will only understand the true depths Scotland has plunged when they do finally get dragged through those courts AND MOST OF US WILL IN TIME. The charlatans disguised as our MSP's of ALL persuasions are the cause of that system continuing to produce daily ,massive homelessness and deprivation on a GRAND SCALE.For anyone fooled by the constant rhetoric that those we are forced to vote for with little choice will somehow change the legal landscape of Scotland with urgency clearly have been fooled by ALL the information we get from, primarily the media ,that seems hell bent on keeping Scotlands failed democratic process in perpetuity. Scotland needs independence from ALL establishment parties and that requires monolithic change and SCOTS refusing to accept what we are given as some form of DEMOCRACY. THAT IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS http://www.ljpr.cjb.net Posted by: Mark, Glasgow on 8:17pm Mon 7 May 07 How naive some people are. "(With independence Scotland)can make it's own decisions just like grownups do." Unless you are suggesting Scotland would go it alone and not seek membership of the EU, Scotland will never be "independent" and be able to fully make its own decisions. I suppose Alex Salmond has been totally honest with the electorate over the past few weeks? With the SNP in power lets see how many of his, unfunded, manifesto policies make it in to reality? Lets get this "win for independence" in to context. Only the SNP proposed independence and even then, they shoved it under the rug; "oh, we will hold a referendum in around 3 years". There's confidence for you! So with SNP holding 47 elected seats and 82 held by parties that are pro union. Do we all want independence? Posted by: Jimmy, Glasgow on 10:22pm Mon 7 May 07 Mark: independence is a policy of the SSP, Solidarity, the Green Party - not "only" the SNP. Were you aware of that?
A poll in October last year showed support for independence at 51%. Of course that fell back following a vicious assault of apocalyptic propaganda from the Labour controlled media. Alex Salmond is an ex-economist. Listen to the man talk. Now listen to Jack/Wendy and tell me honestly who is the most sincere, passionate and above all, intelligent of the three. You ask "do we all want independence?" Let's be clear on what independence means: it isn't 'isolation' and of course Scotland would become part of the EU: but on her own terms. Our vast fisheries for one might be better protected if someone interested in them (and not just London issues) were allowed to negotiate. Do we "all" want it? Well I don't think that EVERYONE has to agree to it but a majority vote in a referendum - as we had for devolution - seems a fairer way to find out. It seems very illiberal and undemocratic to infer what people want from a party vote where many motivations come into play. Oh, and "LJPR" guy - "beck and call" doesn't mean anything (ref. your message on the Herald the other day). "Beckon call" was maybe what you were looking for. You're not really a legal person, are you? |
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