Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 11:36am Thu 14 Jun 07
Is anything safe from the marauding hands of empire builder, Stefan King these days ?
Why don't we turn over the necropolis to him as well so that he can have it converted into "Death-World" the theme park, complete with optics on the grave stones !
Is anything safe from the marauding hands of empire builder, Stefan King these days ?
Why don't we turn over the necropolis to him as well so that he can have it converted into "Death-World" the theme park, complete with optics on the grave stones !
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 11:48am Thu 14 Jun 07
No Al - nothing is safe if he can make money from it. Suggesting that he "wants to attratc families to the park" is a joke. Families already come to the park. His plans are [bold]not[/bold] aimed at "encouraging families" and anyone who believes they are is totally deluded.
All this guy is interested in is continuing to build his empire all over the west end. The fact that our Council are prepared to hand over [bold]the[/bold] prime site in the west end for yet another of his nightclubs beggars belief.
No Al - nothing is safe if he can make money from it. Suggesting that he "wants to attratc families to the park" is a joke. Families already come to the park. His plans are
not aimed at "encouraging families" and anyone who believes they are is totally deluded.
All this guy is interested in is continuing to build his empire all over the west end. The fact that our Council are prepared to hand over
the prime site in the west end for yet another of his nightclubs beggars belief.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 12:56pm Thu 14 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
Is anything safe from the marauding hands of empire builder, Stefan King these days ?
Why don't we turn over the necropolis to him as well so that he can have it converted into "Death-World" the theme park, complete with optics on the grave stones ! [/quote] BIG AL i think you got a cracking idea their it could become the goth capital of europe.anything that improves glasgow has got to be a good thing england have had things like this for years its time glasgow had it too.although im sure a small minority of parents will ruin it by drinking too much and leaving the children to run amok,but the majority of responsible parents will welcome a nice place to relax while their children play.glasgow needs more family orientated places.
Big Al wrote:
Is anything safe from the marauding hands of empire builder, Stefan King these days ?
Why don't we turn over the necropolis to him as well so that he can have it converted into "Death-World" the theme park, complete with optics on the grave stones !
BIG AL i think you got a cracking idea their it could become the goth capital of europe.anything that improves glasgow has got to be a good thing england have had things like this for years its time glasgow had it too.although im sure a small minority of parents will ruin it by drinking too much and leaving the children to run amok,but the majority of responsible parents will welcome a nice place to relax while their children play.glasgow needs more family orientated places.
Posted by: milton on 1:15pm Thu 14 Jun 07
I'd rather the station was restored as part of a reinstatement of the rail line.
I'd rather the station was restored as part of a reinstatement of the rail line.
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 4:54pm Thu 14 Jun 07
[quote][bold]milton[/bold] wrote:
I'd rather the station was restored as part of a reinstatement of the rail line.[/quote] I was under the impression it was to be retained for possible future rail or subway expansion..?
milton wrote:
I'd rather the station was restored as part of a reinstatement of the rail line.
I was under the impression it was to be retained for possible future rail or subway expansion..?
Posted by: Ed, Glasgow on 5:21pm Thu 14 Jun 07
Concerned west end residents have set up a new website www.savethewestend.c
o.uk to canvas comment from residents regarding the possible intention of Glasgow City Council to turn the west end into a Glasgow Soho - this article further highlights our concerns
Concerned west end residents have set up a new website www.savethewestend.c
o.uk to canvas comment from residents regarding the possible intention of Glasgow City Council to turn the west end into a Glasgow Soho - this article further highlights our concerns
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:08pm Thu 14 Jun 07
Why do these Business men / entrepeneurs insist on destroying our heritage and trning Glasgow into a drinking den for outsiders, and Wegies alike. Is it any wonder we've the problems with Alcohol and excessive consumption when theres so many new pubs etc built / opened.
Wheres the acceptable, continental, and 24 hour type establishments that don't focus jus on alcohol sales and spilling drunks onto the streets for the Police to sweep up . . . .
Lets seee the realiwaysline reinstated.
Lets see a tasteful and un-intrusive establishment in the Botanics ?
Wishful thinking!
No - on second thoughts - it will probably be distasteful, disliked, unimpressive and sticking out like a sore thumb with it's architectural surroundings.
Glasgow City Council and developers seem determined to make a complete a*se of it's new builds and establishments alike. I dispair. . .
( hence my rant is over. . . . )
Why do these Business men / entrepeneurs insist on destroying our heritage and trning Glasgow into a drinking den for outsiders, and Wegies alike. Is it any wonder we've the problems with Alcohol and excessive consumption when theres so many new pubs etc built / opened.
Wheres the acceptable, continental, and 24 hour type establishments that don't focus jus on alcohol sales and spilling drunks onto the streets for the Police to sweep up . . . .
Lets seee the realiwaysline reinstated.
Lets see a tasteful and un-intrusive establishment in the Botanics ?
Wishful thinking!
No - on second thoughts - it will probably be distasteful, disliked, unimpressive and sticking out like a sore thumb with it's architectural surroundings.
Glasgow City Council and developers seem determined to make a complete a*se of it's new builds and establishments alike. I dispair. . .
( hence my rant is over. . . . )
Posted by: BigTed, Banff on 12:01am Fri 15 Jun 07
Quick reality check - anyone remember the G1 Group plans for the former Post Office (George Square) 'farce' (another historic building) I am surprised that Mr King has any remaining credibility in the city. An empty eyesore left derelict to rot from 1999 until 2007 ... (bold)(quote) “When Councillor Purcell approached us regarding interest shown in the building, (by HF Developments and AWG Ltd) it was at a time when we still considered No 1 to be a LONG TERM PROPERTY HOLD ...' (quoted from the Glasgow City Council Website) Why the rush to sell, the station has been derelict in PUBIC hands since 1970, ... which is where it should remain rather in G1's property portfolio. If Mr King were to run out of financial backers yet again would this project simply sit on hold until until 2014. Shame on you Mr King, shame on too Mr Purcell and the rest of Glasgow City, Council for your sudden collective 'amnesia' ... the West End and the city needs and DESERVES more imagination - NOT licensed premises
Quick reality check - anyone remember the G1 Group plans for the former Post Office (George Square) 'farce' (another historic building) I am surprised that Mr King has any remaining credibility in the city. An empty eyesore left derelict to rot from 1999 until 2007 ... (bold)(quote) “When Councillor Purcell approached us regarding interest shown in the building, (by HF Developments and AWG Ltd) it was at a time when we still considered No 1 to be a LONG TERM PROPERTY HOLD ...' (quoted from the Glasgow City Council Website) Why the rush to sell, the station has been derelict in PUBIC hands since 1970, ... which is where it should remain rather in G1's property portfolio. If Mr King were to run out of financial backers yet again would this project simply sit on hold until until 2014. Shame on you Mr King, shame on too Mr Purcell and the rest of Glasgow City, Council for your sudden collective 'amnesia' ... the West End and the city needs and DESERVES more imagination - NOT licensed premises
Posted by: durruti, Glasgow on 12:38am Fri 15 Jun 07
Call me crazy, but I've got this notion that the old railway station could be a ... railway station again. Of course that means real planning, a vision for public transport in Glasgow and a bit of get-up-and-go from Cooncillor Purcell and his chums. No chance of that then. Instead it's dodgy entrepreneurs, sale of public assets, drinking palaces and brown envelopes ahoy! It's all so predictable.
Call me crazy, but I've got this notion that the old railway station could be a ... railway station again. Of course that means real planning, a vision for public transport in Glasgow and a bit of get-up-and-go from Cooncillor Purcell and his chums. No chance of that then. Instead it's dodgy entrepreneurs, sale of public assets, drinking palaces and brown envelopes ahoy! It's all so predictable.
Posted by: mclaycm, Glasgow on 1:23am Fri 15 Jun 07
As much as many people are against another pub in the west end. I am not really in this case? Could you have a nicer setting? Its hardly going to be full of crazy drinkers at the prices it will likely have.
Also, it will probably attract families with a playground like that a safe environment for kids to play where parents can enjoy themselves as well.
Also, I cant think of any other way that railway station would be transformed to its former glory. If it were to be reopened as a station it would be done on the cheap if it was funded by public money. In this case I think it will complement its surroundings.
The west end is a popular place and every time a new pub opens it just fills with people. I wonder where they all went before Gong, Booly Mardys, Oran Mor, the Loft, the Lane, Buddha. Either way it WILL be popular and a fantastic tourist attraction.
Yeah so he will make money but so would I in his shoes. All his pubs are finished to a high standard none of them look cheap and he renovates them regular.
As much as many people are against another pub in the west end. I am not really in this case? Could you have a nicer setting? Its hardly going to be full of crazy drinkers at the prices it will likely have.
Also, it will probably attract families with a playground like that a safe environment for kids to play where parents can enjoy themselves as well.
Also, I cant think of any other way that railway station would be transformed to its former glory. If it were to be reopened as a station it would be done on the cheap if it was funded by public money. In this case I think it will complement its surroundings.
The west end is a popular place and every time a new pub opens it just fills with people. I wonder where they all went before Gong, Booly Mardys, Oran Mor, the Loft, the Lane, Buddha. Either way it WILL be popular and a fantastic tourist attraction.
Yeah so he will make money but so would I in his shoes. All his pubs are finished to a high standard none of them look cheap and he renovates them regular.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:28pm Fri 15 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]milton[/bold] wrote: I'd rather the station was restored as part of a reinstatement of the rail line.[/quote] I was under the impression it was to be retained for possible future rail or subway expansion..? [/quote] Big Al - Transport debates have been going on for years - the proposed Strathclyde tram system devised by Malcom Waugh and Charles Gordon back in the late 1980's never got off the ground, reasons was because it never targeted the areas where there is a lot of car ownership (Bearsden & Newton Mearns) or was it just that Glasgow was exempt from any improvements to its crumbling infrastructure, which is now worse than what it was back in 1990.
To Milton - Yes, BBC Scotland done a report on the very line two years ago as it runs from the Argyle Line, under Kelvingrove Park, through the botanics and into Maryhill, the line as you may be aware runs under ruchill and passes under Ashfield Street but becomes redundant at Stobhill Hospital because our buddies at the planning & regeneration gave that land to housing. It does appear that nobody is interested as our friend Tesco has been given permission to build a new shopping centre in Maryhill and Mr King wants to build on the site also.
You would think that logic would come into play considering that this area is heavily congested and this development would only attract further congestion, but this is planners & politicians we are dealing with and to be honest, public transport seems to be ignored, as long as there is more money to be made, who gives a **** what the public thinks, Mr King gets permission to plant Off-Licences in the deprived areas of the city, in turn making him even more money!
Overall though, the re-construction of this property is a good idea, ironic that it's only restricted to the west end. Comments on here from other citizens in relation to development and regeneration issues over the past few months back this up, in fact regeneration in the non torist brochure areas is simply demolishing old failed housing schemes to put new ones in their place, the social and economic problems still remain - just bricks and mortar for those who are penned into a life of poverty, which does exist, even if the middle and upper classes choose to ignore it, their attitudes continually make it a growing problem!
Thank you
Big Al wrote:
milton wrote: I'd rather the station was restored as part of a reinstatement of the rail line.
I was under the impression it was to be retained for possible future rail or subway expansion..?
Big Al - Transport debates have been going on for years - the proposed Strathclyde tram system devised by Malcom Waugh and Charles Gordon back in the late 1980's never got off the ground, reasons was because it never targeted the areas where there is a lot of car ownership (Bearsden & Newton Mearns) or was it just that Glasgow was exempt from any improvements to its crumbling infrastructure, which is now worse than what it was back in 1990.
To Milton - Yes, BBC Scotland done a report on the very line two years ago as it runs from the Argyle Line, under Kelvingrove Park, through the botanics and into Maryhill, the line as you may be aware runs under ruchill and passes under Ashfield Street but becomes redundant at Stobhill Hospital because our buddies at the planning & regeneration gave that land to housing. It does appear that nobody is interested as our friend Tesco has been given permission to build a new shopping centre in Maryhill and Mr King wants to build on the site also.
You would think that logic would come into play considering that this area is heavily congested and this development would only attract further congestion, but this is planners & politicians we are dealing with and to be honest, public transport seems to be ignored, as long as there is more money to be made, who gives a **** what the public thinks, Mr King gets permission to plant Off-Licences in the deprived areas of the city, in turn making him even more money!
Overall though, the re-construction of this property is a good idea, ironic that it's only restricted to the west end. Comments on here from other citizens in relation to development and regeneration issues over the past few months back this up, in fact regeneration in the non torist brochure areas is simply demolishing old failed housing schemes to put new ones in their place, the social and economic problems still remain - just bricks and mortar for those who are penned into a life of poverty, which does exist, even if the middle and upper classes choose to ignore it, their attitudes continually make it a growing problem!
Thank you
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:31pm Fri 15 Jun 07
[quote][bold]mclaycm[/bold] wrote:
As much as many people are against another pub in the west end. I am not really in this case? Could you have a nicer setting? Its hardly going to be full of crazy drinkers at the prices it will likely have. Also, it will probably attract families with a playground like that a safe environment for kids to play where parents can enjoy themselves as well. Also, I cant think of any other way that railway station would be transformed to its former glory. If it were to be reopened as a station it would be done on the cheap if it was funded by public money. In this case I think it will complement its surroundings. The west end is a popular place and every time a new pub opens it just fills with people. I wonder where they all went before Gong, Booly Mardys, Oran Mor, the Loft, the Lane, Buddha. Either way it WILL be popular and a fantastic tourist attraction. Yeah so he will make money but so would I in his shoes. All his pubs are finished to a high standard none of them look cheap and he renovates them regular. [/quote] True, If it were to be a railway station funded by public cash, it would be an unmanned brick box like what you see with most stations across the fragmented network, though it is improving but at a snail's pace!
mclaycm wrote:
As much as many people are against another pub in the west end. I am not really in this case? Could you have a nicer setting? Its hardly going to be full of crazy drinkers at the prices it will likely have. Also, it will probably attract families with a playground like that a safe environment for kids to play where parents can enjoy themselves as well. Also, I cant think of any other way that railway station would be transformed to its former glory. If it were to be reopened as a station it would be done on the cheap if it was funded by public money. In this case I think it will complement its surroundings. The west end is a popular place and every time a new pub opens it just fills with people. I wonder where they all went before Gong, Booly Mardys, Oran Mor, the Loft, the Lane, Buddha. Either way it WILL be popular and a fantastic tourist attraction. Yeah so he will make money but so would I in his shoes. All his pubs are finished to a high standard none of them look cheap and he renovates them regular.
True, If it were to be a railway station funded by public cash, it would be an unmanned brick box like what you see with most stations across the fragmented network, though it is improving but at a snail's pace!
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