Posted by: belcher, parkbench 36 on 1:46pm Wed 22 Aug 07
aah... the glamour of being fingerprinted.
aah... the glamour of being fingerprinted.
Posted by: john, glasgow on 4:07pm Wed 22 Aug 07
big brother is watching.
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:44pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Brisbane in Australia already use this and it works well
Brisbane in Australia already use this and it works well
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 4:45pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Hitlers spirit is alive and well in the hallowed walls of this big brother den of iniquity.
Hitlers spirit is alive and well in the hallowed walls of this big brother den of iniquity.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 4:48pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Ask shirley McKie what she thinks of fingerprint identification?
After the first murder on the premises they will have a list of suspects a mile long.
Ask shirley McKie what she thinks of fingerprint identification?
After the first murder on the premises they will have a list of suspects a mile long.
Posted by: belcher, parkbench 36 on 5:35pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Fingerprinted..its sooo sophisticated.
Fingerprinted..its sooo sophisticated.
Posted by: saidajaq, right here right now on 5:57pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Of course they are keeping the data, or it wouldn't work, DUUUH!
Of course they are keeping the data, or it wouldn't work, DUUUH!
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 7:03pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Thats a bit extreme finger printing people. George Orwelle's "1984" springs to mind whenever I hear of something like this.
Thats a bit extreme finger printing people. George Orwelle's "1984" springs to mind whenever I hear of something like this.
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 7:04pm Wed 22 Aug 07
It'll be another club ran by the "hard-nut" East End Gangsters. They are the ones that should be fingerprinted.
It'll be another club ran by the "hard-nut" East End Gangsters. They are the ones that should be fingerprinted.
Posted by: Vera Smart on 7:53pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I hope people vote with their feet and the place goes bust.
I hope people vote with their feet and the place goes bust.
Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 8:33pm Wed 22 Aug 07
When and where is this obsession with keeping peoples private particulars on private data bases going to end? It seems to me that the general population are in a situation where you cannot scratch your **** without being on film.What next?Fingerprints to see an X rated film?Oh aye,packet of cigs?Fingerprints please.Half-fare on the bus?Fingerprints first,I think your sixteen.
Whats happened to common sense when it comes to allowing persons in to such places as clubs?
If they are taking fingerprints it therefore stands to reason that they will be having a data base on which to store them for comparison.And if the Police ask for them has the individual have the right to decline.No way as they are now out of the individuals control and can be used for purposes other than what they were given.
1984....Read it.You will be surprised by the similarities in it going on today.
When and where is this obsession with keeping peoples private particulars on private data bases going to end? It seems to me that the general population are in a situation where you cannot scratch your **** without being on film.What next?Fingerprints to see an X rated film?Oh aye,packet of cigs?Fingerprints please.Half-fare on the bus?Fingerprints first,I think your sixteen.
Whats happened to common sense when it comes to allowing persons in to such places as clubs?
If they are taking fingerprints it therefore stands to reason that they will be having a data base on which to store them for comparison.And if the Police ask for them has the individual have the right to decline.No way as they are now out of the individuals control and can be used for purposes other than what they were given.
1984....Read it.You will be surprised by the similarities in it going on today.
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sgow, Paisley on 9:11pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Your Name/phone number/DOB (and I can GARUANTEE they will want your address) sitting on a database with no safeguard mechanisms in place as to who can access this information is a disaster waiting to happen. Night club management gaining access to the building blocks of how to steal my identity would scare me senseless. You get fingerprinted when you get arrested not go clubbing. The requirement to show ID to prove you are over 18 is understandable. the storage of personal information about you on a NIGHTCLUB database is outrageous. BOYCOTT THE CLUB and do some research on UK Biomentrics, this is for marketing purposes, nothing else. Refuse!
Your Name/phone number/DOB (and I can GARUANTEE they will want your address) sitting on a database with no safeguard mechanisms in place as to who can access this information is a disaster waiting to happen. Night club management gaining access to the building blocks of how to steal my identity would scare me senseless. You get fingerprinted when you get arrested not go clubbing. The requirement to show ID to prove you are over 18 is understandable. the storage of personal information about you on a NIGHTCLUB database is outrageous. BOYCOTT THE CLUB and do some research on UK Biomentrics, this is for marketing purposes, nothing else. Refuse!
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 9:30pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Yet again another imbalanced article in the Evening Times. Has Newsquest finally got rid off all journalists there with a bit of integrity?
This system is less to do with the security of clubbers and all to do with gathering information on people for the purposes of marketing. THe system is designed to capture as much personal info on customers as possible and as a commercially run sytsem there is nothing to stop the nightclub passing customers details onto other organisations.
In cases down south, females have been harassed by sleazy club workers who got their personal information off this system. It is NOT a secure system.
I would suggest that the Evening Times maybe does it's job and looks into this rather dubious practice rather than writing puff promotional adverts masquerading as news articles.
Yet again another imbalanced article in the Evening Times. Has Newsquest finally got rid off all journalists there with a bit of integrity?
This system is less to do with the security of clubbers and all to do with gathering information on people for the purposes of marketing. THe system is designed to capture as much personal info on customers as possible and as a commercially run sytsem there is nothing to stop the nightclub passing customers details onto other organisations.
In cases down south, females have been harassed by sleazy club workers who got their personal information off this system. It is NOT a secure system.
I would suggest that the Evening Times maybe does it's job and looks into this rather dubious practice rather than writing puff promotional adverts masquerading as news articles.
Posted by: dragonlady, scotland on 9:45pm Wed 22 Aug 07
why would anyone want to have thier fingerprint information on any computer database its a rediculous idea noone sould freely give their personal details to anyone and by doing this they are just asking for stolen identities it only takes one good hacker to have you changed to a common criminal! all this is just too much the people have a right to personnal privacy and as such this is a major breach!!
why would anyone want to have thier fingerprint information on any computer database its a rediculous idea noone sould freely give their personal details to anyone and by doing this they are just asking for stolen identities it only takes one good hacker to have you changed to a common criminal! all this is just too much the people have a right to personnal privacy and as such this is a major breach!!
Posted by: Geraint, Glasgow on 10:29pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Fingerprinting and document scanning? Then this club will never have the pleasure of my custom. Many of their customers are set to be very disappointed if banks ever decide that electronic fingerprinting should be added to chip-and-pin cards. You only have a limited number of fingers. If you have given the bouncers on the door these data, you can't get new ones to use when you really want to. Then again, it is unlikely that the bank will let you have access to money anyway, once the bouncers have sold your data to fraudsters who will wipe out your credit rating.
Fingerprinting and document scanning? Then this club will never have the pleasure of my custom. Many of their customers are set to be very disappointed if banks ever decide that electronic fingerprinting should be added to chip-and-pin cards. You only have a limited number of fingers. If you have given the bouncers on the door these data, you can't get new ones to use when you really want to. Then again, it is unlikely that the bank will let you have access to money anyway, once the bouncers have sold your data to fraudsters who will wipe out your credit rating.
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 7:45am Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
Yet again another imbalanced article in the Evening Times. Has
Newsquest finally got rid off all journalists there with a bit of
integrity? This system is less to do with the security of clubbers and
all to do with gathering information on people for the purposes of
marketing. THe system is designed to capture as much personal info on
customers as possible and as a commercially run sytsem there is nothing
to stop the nightclub passing customers details onto other
organisations.
In cases down south, females have been harassed by sleazy club workers
who got their personal information off this system. It is NOT a secure
system. I would suggest that the Evening Times maybe does it's job and
looks into this rather dubious practice rather than writing puff
promotional adverts masquerading as news articles.[/quote] Yeah definately. They've probably been paid off by the hard-nuts that run the club.
SwimFishSwim wrote:
Yet again another imbalanced article in the Evening Times. Has
Newsquest finally got rid off all journalists there with a bit of
integrity? This system is less to do with the security of clubbers and
all to do with gathering information on people for the purposes of
marketing. THe system is designed to capture as much personal info on
customers as possible and as a commercially run sytsem there is nothing
to stop the nightclub passing customers details onto other
organisations.
In cases down south, females have been harassed by sleazy club workers
who got their personal information off this system. It is NOT a secure
system. I would suggest that the Evening Times maybe does it's job and
looks into this rather dubious practice rather than writing puff
promotional adverts masquerading as news articles.
Yeah definately. They've probably been paid off by the hard-nuts that run the club.
Posted by: The Watcher, Glasgow on 9:37am Thu 23 Aug 07
This is a ridiculous move by club owners who obviously don't know how to operate a safe door policy. I'll give them two months and it'll be shut.
This is a ridiculous move by club owners who obviously don't know how to operate a safe door policy. I'll give them two months and it'll be shut.
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sgow, Paisley on 10:19am Thu 23 Aug 07
This is one of the most blatantly biased little piece of journalism I have ever seen. How much did the owner pay you for this advertisment?[bold]bold[/bold] After checking out UK Biometrics, I am stunned the writer did not mention that the information stored on the database is exportable to SMS and E mail, this prevents any business from being able to ensure security, the wider it travels the less secure it is. The system can also be connected to other clubs creating a network again threatening the security of a person’s identification. A balanced piece would have mentioned it. When the first bulletin point of this systems blurb is “fantastic marketing device” the motivations of the club owner is clear. Free membership? this could be the most expensive and dangerous membership fee you’d ever pay
This is one of the most blatantly biased little piece of journalism I have ever seen. How much did the owner pay you for this advertisment? After checking out UK Biometrics, I am stunned the writer did not mention that the information stored on the database is exportable to SMS and E mail, this prevents any business from being able to ensure security, the wider it travels the less secure it is. The system can also be connected to other clubs creating a network again threatening the security of a person’s identification. A balanced piece would have mentioned it. When the first bulletin point of this systems blurb is “fantastic marketing device” the motivations of the club owner is clear. Free membership? this could be the most expensive and dangerous membership fee you’d ever pay
Posted by: polar, Glasgow on 11:01am Thu 23 Aug 07
If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
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sgow, Paisley on 11:09am Thu 23 Aug 07
if they dont store finger prints what is the point in recording them? they have to store them to use as a reference!you are right, it is up to you how much information you trust the club to securely store which is why any one with some common sense would protect their identity and give none. showing, not storing your ID gives you responsibilty over it not some ex con door man.
if they dont store finger prints what is the point in recording them? they have to store them to use as a reference!you are right, it is up to you how much information you trust the club to securely store which is why any one with some common sense would protect their identity and give none. showing, not storing your ID gives you responsibilty over it not some ex con door man.
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 11:37am Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote:
If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.[/quote] If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value?
The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place.
polar wrote:
If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value?
The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place.
Posted by: Scotchheaven, Glasgow on 11:41am Thu 23 Aug 07
I was really worried about this so I called the club and the fingerprint company UK Biometrics. They were both relly helpful and explained everything to me. I think the big problem they are gonna have is lack of peoples knowledge about the system and fingerprinting in general. To put your mind at rest the system does not store actual fingerprints, it just records a few unique ridges and patterns which are converted into a numerical code and encrypted. The system just holds data not images. No whole fingerprint can be re-constructed from the data held and it is unique to that system, so it would be useless for the police or anyone in fact to have. Also the system is voluntary, so no one has to sign up, its just easier for you if you do. I think anything that stops me having to carry my passport around is a great idea. I have lost it twice and it costs a fortune to replace!! The club also said you can give as little or as much info as you choose, so I won't be handing over my mobile number or address details. The club also said the only marketing will be internal to keep clubbers up to date on events and will not be handed to any third parties. Now I spoke to them I feel ok and will definately check out the club. I spoke to a guy called Richard at UK Biometrics and Scott at Sea nightclub FYI
I was really worried about this so I called the club and the fingerprint company UK Biometrics. They were both relly helpful and explained everything to me. I think the big problem they are gonna have is lack of peoples knowledge about the system and fingerprinting in general. To put your mind at rest the system does not store actual fingerprints, it just records a few unique ridges and patterns which are converted into a numerical code and encrypted. The system just holds data not images. No whole fingerprint can be re-constructed from the data held and it is unique to that system, so it would be useless for the police or anyone in fact to have. Also the system is voluntary, so no one has to sign up, its just easier for you if you do. I think anything that stops me having to carry my passport around is a great idea. I have lost it twice and it costs a fortune to replace!! The club also said you can give as little or as much info as you choose, so I won't be handing over my mobile number or address details. The club also said the only marketing will be internal to keep clubbers up to date on events and will not be handed to any third parties. Now I spoke to them I feel ok and will definately check out the club. I spoke to a guy called Richard at UK Biometrics and Scott at Sea nightclub FYI
Posted by: polar, Glasgow on 11:49am Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.[/quote] If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place. [/quote] Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS.
As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice.
If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?
SwimFishSwim wrote:
polar wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place.
Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS.
As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice.
If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?
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sgow, Paisley on 12:02pm Thu 23 Aug 07
well I'm not going to loose any sleep over it because i'm not going to participate in it so when the disk with everyone's information gets nicked or sold by a member of staff I wont be fearful of the creepy barman stalking my flat, i wont be wary of a criminal gang setting up credit cards in my name and i wont be scared of wrongfully being put on a banned list preventing me from entering future clubs which sign up for the software.
no one is touching any part of my finger prints unless i get arrested.
well I'm not going to loose any sleep over it because i'm not going to participate in it so when the disk with everyone's information gets nicked or sold by a member of staff I wont be fearful of the creepy barman stalking my flat, i wont be wary of a criminal gang setting up credit cards in my name and i wont be scared of wrongfully being put on a banned list preventing me from entering future clubs which sign up for the software.
no one is touching any part of my finger prints unless i get arrested.
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 12:04pm Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.[/quote] If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place. [/quote] Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS. As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice. If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?[/quote] I'll make this clearer as the key factor in a fingerprint recognition system is that it has to recognise your fingerprint. To do this it HAS TO STORE YOUR FINGERPRINT!!!
As for this system being explained you seem to not want to explain it yourself. An employee of Biometrics by per chance?
polar wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote: polar wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place.
Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS. As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice. If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?
I'll make this clearer as the key factor in a fingerprint recognition system is that it has to recognise your fingerprint. To do this it HAS TO STORE YOUR FINGERPRINT!!!
As for this system being explained you seem to not want to explain it yourself. An employee of Biometrics by per chance?
Posted by: Geraint, Glasgow on 12:21pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Of course the system doesn't store an image of your fingerprint. Comparing two images of the same thing taken at different times is a difficult task. All of these systems work by producing a set of numerical values from the scan and storing that instead. This is also the same way that banks will do it if they introduce such a system.
Now, these companies usually say that you cannot recreate the fingerprint from the numerical code. They may be right, they may be wrong, but either way, that is entirely irrelevant. Someone using your scan to obtain credit in your name does not need to recreate your fingerprint. All they need to do is create a fingerprint that will yield the same numerical code as yours. And all they will need for that is the numerical code produced by your finger. The very thing that is being recorded in a database.
As for encryption, who has the keys to decrypt the code? And how will you know if someone connects an USB key to the system to record the numerical code before it is encrypted. Are you sure that you trust ALL of the employees? This is not like a chip-and-pin card folks. The risk of problems may be low, but if you are targeted there is nothing you can do about it. You can't ask the bank to send you a new set of fingerprints.
Of course the system doesn't store an image of your fingerprint. Comparing two images of the same thing taken at different times is a difficult task. All of these systems work by producing a set of numerical values from the scan and storing that instead. This is also the same way that banks will do it if they introduce such a system.
Now, these companies usually say that you cannot recreate the fingerprint from the numerical code. They may be right, they may be wrong, but either way, that is entirely irrelevant. Someone using your scan to obtain credit in your name does not need to recreate your fingerprint. All they need to do is create a fingerprint that will yield the same numerical code as yours. And all they will need for that is the numerical code produced by your finger. The very thing that is being recorded in a database.
As for encryption, who has the keys to decrypt the code? And how will you know if someone connects an USB key to the system to record the numerical code before it is encrypted. Are you sure that you trust ALL of the employees? This is not like a chip-and-pin card folks. The risk of problems may be low, but if you are targeted there is nothing you can do about it. You can't ask the bank to send you a new set of fingerprints.
Posted by: saidajaq, Ma hoos on 12:24pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Oh for goodness sakes you silly biometrics people do you really think we are that dim, we all watch CSI! What you have described is a digital rendering of a finger print as opposed to an ink rendering. You are storing the digital render ing of the finger print along with the personal info of the person to whom it pertains, ergo YOU ARE STORING THE FINGER PRINTS! ! ! Do you honestly believe that a few patronising slippery words are going to disgiuse the true intent of this venture.
Oh for goodness sakes you silly biometrics people do you really think we are that dim, we all watch CSI! What you have described is a digital rendering of a finger print as opposed to an ink rendering. You are storing the digital render ing of the finger print along with the personal info of the person to whom it pertains, ergo YOU ARE STORING THE FINGER PRINTS! ! ! Do you honestly believe that a few patronising slippery words are going to disgiuse the true intent of this venture.
Posted by: Scotchheaven, Glasgow on 1:08pm Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]saidajaq[/bold] wrote:
Oh for goodness sakes you silly biometrics people do you really think we are that dim, we all watch CSI! What you have described is a digital rendering of a finger print as opposed to an ink rendering. You are storing the digital render ing of the finger print along with the personal info of the person to whom it pertains, ergo YOU ARE STORING THE FINGER PRINTS! ! ! Do you honestly believe that a few patronising slippery words are going to disgiuse the true intent of this venture.[/quote] Ha! I am sat here in fits of laughter! YES, CSI is real and everything in the programme must ALL be true not fictional!! Ha! Next you will be saying James Bond is real and the hoverboard from back to the future is available on Ebay!! Ha Ha! Thanks for cheering me up. Now run along and get back to watching Big Brother live, you may be missing something important!!
saidajaq wrote:
Oh for goodness sakes you silly biometrics people do you really think we are that dim, we all watch CSI! What you have described is a digital rendering of a finger print as opposed to an ink rendering. You are storing the digital render ing of the finger print along with the personal info of the person to whom it pertains, ergo YOU ARE STORING THE FINGER PRINTS! ! ! Do you honestly believe that a few patronising slippery words are going to disgiuse the true intent of this venture.
Ha! I am sat here in fits of laughter! YES, CSI is real and everything in the programme must ALL be true not fictional!! Ha! Next you will be saying James Bond is real and the hoverboard from back to the future is available on Ebay!! Ha Ha! Thanks for cheering me up. Now run along and get back to watching Big Brother live, you may be missing something important!!
Posted by: saidajaq on 2:10pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Obviously Scotchheaven exhibits some sense of humour but not quite enough and had to get personal, shame! So now you think that being patronising and insulting is going to win folk over to your argument, hhhhmmmm, I'm sensing theres not too much substance to it in the first place then. If you can run out of rope that quickly on a comment forum like this I can't wait to see your defence of this venture when it all goes predictablly wrong and you get sued sideways.
Obviously Scotchheaven exhibits some sense of humour but not quite enough and had to get personal, shame! So now you think that being patronising and insulting is going to win folk over to your argument, hhhhmmmm, I'm sensing theres not too much substance to it in the first place then. If you can run out of rope that quickly on a comment forum like this I can't wait to see your defence of this venture when it all goes predictablly wrong and you get sued sideways.
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 2:20pm Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Scotchheaven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]saidajaq[/bold] wrote: Oh for goodness sakes you silly biometrics people do you really think we are that dim, we all watch CSI! What you have described is a digital rendering of a finger print as opposed to an ink rendering. You are storing the digital render ing of the finger print along with the personal info of the person to whom it pertains, ergo YOU ARE STORING THE FINGER PRINTS! ! ! Do you honestly believe that a few patronising slippery words are going to disgiuse the true intent of this venture.[/quote] Ha! I am sat here in fits of laughter! YES, CSI is real and everything in the programme must ALL be true not fictional!! Ha! Next you will be saying James Bond is real and the hoverboard from back to the future is available on Ebay!! Ha Ha! Thanks for cheering me up. Now run along and get back to watching Big Brother live, you may be missing something important!! [/quote] What i find particulary funny is that this Biometric employee is having to resort to insults and little info because he knows he's been found out.
It's very sad that this company fell the need to go on forums masquerading as members of the public to try and normalise a system that has nothing to do with security and everything to do with marketing. I wonder if he gets bonused for this...
Scotchheaven wrote:
saidajaq wrote: Oh for goodness sakes you silly biometrics people do you really think we are that dim, we all watch CSI! What you have described is a digital rendering of a finger print as opposed to an ink rendering. You are storing the digital render ing of the finger print along with the personal info of the person to whom it pertains, ergo YOU ARE STORING THE FINGER PRINTS! ! ! Do you honestly believe that a few patronising slippery words are going to disgiuse the true intent of this venture.
Ha! I am sat here in fits of laughter! YES, CSI is real and everything in the programme must ALL be true not fictional!! Ha! Next you will be saying James Bond is real and the hoverboard from back to the future is available on Ebay!! Ha Ha! Thanks for cheering me up. Now run along and get back to watching Big Brother live, you may be missing something important!!
What i find particulary funny is that this Biometric employee is having to resort to insults and little info because he knows he's been found out.
It's very sad that this company fell the need to go on forums masquerading as members of the public to try and normalise a system that has nothing to do with security and everything to do with marketing. I wonder if he gets bonused for this...
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 2:24pm Thu 23 Aug 07
I also hope that someone at the Times is checking out this odd practice of a company having to pretend to be members of the public on a message forum.
Seems like a funny thing to do for an above board company.
I also hope that someone at the Times is checking out this odd practice of a company having to pretend to be members of the public on a message forum.
Seems like a funny thing to do for an above board company.
Posted by: Geraint, Glasgow on 3:00pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Question for the club manager:
will you be sanitising the scanner after each person uses it?
(It is shocking how many Glaswegian blokes don't wash their hands!)
Question for the club manager:
will you be sanitising the scanner after each person uses it?
(It is shocking how many Glaswegian blokes don't wash their hands!)
Posted by: polar, Glasgow on 3:22pm Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.[/quote] If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place. [/quote] Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS. As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice. If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?[/quote] I'll make this clearer as the key factor in a fingerprint recognition system is that it has to recognise your fingerprint. To do this it HAS TO STORE YOUR FINGERPRINT!!! As for this system being explained you seem to not want to explain it yourself. An employee of Biometrics by per chance? [/quote] Someone doesnt agree with you and they are in the pay of the people you dont like? Right. I'll come clean then. The Mars landings were faked and Mladic is hiding under my bed. You want to but a bridge?
Jeez. If these biometrics guys are reading this a contribution to my student loan would be nice? (That last bit contains a CLUE Sherlock).
SwimFishSwim wrote:
polar wrote: SwimFishSwim wrote: polar wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place.
Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS. As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice. If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?
I'll make this clearer as the key factor in a fingerprint recognition system is that it has to recognise your fingerprint. To do this it HAS TO STORE YOUR FINGERPRINT!!! As for this system being explained you seem to not want to explain it yourself. An employee of Biometrics by per chance?
Someone doesnt agree with you and they are in the pay of the people you dont like? Right. I'll come clean then. The Mars landings were faked and Mladic is hiding under my bed. You want to but a bridge?
Jeez. If these biometrics guys are reading this a contribution to my student loan would be nice? (That last bit contains a CLUE Sherlock).
Posted by: shitforbrains, North East on 3:35pm Thu 23 Aug 07
I am registered on one of these fingerprint things and I think it's good. The only ID I had was a passport and I didnt fancy losing it so I put my details into this thing and its the best. None of the doormen ask for ID as I just put my finger onto the scanner. I havent give them none of my personal details as all they want to know is my name, age and DOB.
I am registered on one of these fingerprint things and I think it's good. The only ID I had was a passport and I didnt fancy losing it so I put my details into this thing and its the best. None of the doormen ask for ID as I just put my finger onto the scanner. I havent give them none of my personal details as all they want to know is my name, age and DOB.
Posted by: Geraint, Glasgow on 4:01pm Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Chap from the North East (Newcastle, perchance?)[/bold] wrote: I havent give them none of my personal details as all they want to know is my name, age and DOB.[/quote]
That's right. No identity fraudster would ever want to know your name and your date of birth. And it is of course essential for doormen to know your name when deciding if you are over 18.
Chap from the North East (Newcastle, perchance?) wrote: I havent give them none of my personal details as all they want to know is my name, age and DOB.
That's right. No identity fraudster would ever want to know your name and your date of birth. And it is of course essential for doormen to know your name when deciding if you are over 18.
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sgow, Paisley on 4:35pm Thu 23 Aug 07
I just think i must be really old because i had no idea people were taking their passports with them for a night out in Glasgow, lol, mobile phone and lipbalm and i'm off!i dont even take mine with me for domestic flights. Since when does a club have to know your name before they let you in. 'It would be a really convienient sytem if it meant you dont have to take your passport out and risk having it lost or stolen'. Even more convenient - don't take it out...... radical ay? I dot wanna drink any where that needs to see my passport first EEwwww
I just think i must be really old because i had no idea people were taking their passports with them for a night out in Glasgow, lol, mobile phone and lipbalm and i'm off!i dont even take mine with me for domestic flights. Since when does a club have to know your name before they let you in. 'It would be a really convienient sytem if it meant you dont have to take your passport out and risk having it lost or stolen'. Even more convenient - don't take it out...... radical ay? I dot wanna drink any where that needs to see my passport first EEwwww
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 4:40pm Thu 23 Aug 07
[quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]polar[/bold] wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.[/quote] If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place. [/quote] Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS. As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice. If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?[/quote] I'll make this clearer as the key factor in a fingerprint recognition system is that it has to recognise your fingerprint. To do this it HAS TO STORE YOUR FINGERPRINT!!! As for this system being explained you seem to not want to explain it yourself. An employee of Biometrics by per chance? [/quote] Someone doesnt agree with you and they are in the pay of the people you dont like? Right. I'll come clean then. The Mars landings were faked and Mladic is hiding under my bed. You want to but a bridge?
Jeez. If these biometrics guys are reading this a contribution to my student loan would be nice? (That last bit contains a CLUE Sherlock).[/quote] And what has having a student loan got to do with anything? You still believe that a system that recognises you by your fingerprint doesn't store your fingerprint?
Nice to see the education hasn't gone to waste then...
polar wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote:
polar wrote: SwimFishSwim wrote: polar wrote: If you check UK Biometrics website you'll find their system doen not store fingerprints. And its up to the individual how much personal data they hand over to the club. If this means I dont have to carry my passport every time I visit the club then it'll do me.
If a website said that the Earth was flat would you believe that on face value? The whole point of this system is that it DOES store fingerprints. If it didn't then you would have to rejoin the club everytime you went there. Further, not everyone who goes to a club or a pub is asked for id, if they are it is usually for proof of being over 18, not to get personal info on you that is no right of a club to have in the first place.
Oh please. My sisters kid uses one of these systems at school. He loves it. She was concerned that somebody could nick his fingerprint and the company who installed the system explained how it works. I'll take this slow... THEY... DONT... STORE... FINGERPRINTS. As to handing over my moby number and address, I wont be doing it. If you do, thats your choice. If you're seeing Big Brother round every corner maybe watch less reality TV and get out the house a bit?
I'll make this clearer as the key factor in a fingerprint recognition system is that it has to recognise your fingerprint. To do this it HAS TO STORE YOUR FINGERPRINT!!! As for this system being explained you seem to not want to explain it yourself. An employee of Biometrics by per chance?
Someone doesnt agree with you and they are in the pay of the people you dont like? Right. I'll come clean then. The Mars landings were faked and Mladic is hiding under my bed. You want to but a bridge?
Jeez. If these biometrics guys are reading this a contribution to my student loan would be nice? (That last bit contains a CLUE Sherlock).
And what has having a student loan got to do with anything? You still believe that a system that recognises you by your fingerprint doesn't store your fingerprint?
Nice to see the education hasn't gone to waste then...
Posted by: robert, glasgow on 8:16pm Fri 24 Aug 07
some people will do anything for publicity.
some people will do anything for publicity.
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