Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 11:36am Fri 21 Sep 07
Emotive headline.
It ought to have said that 33,000 households applied for and were granted these payments.
There are probably lots more eligible and didn't apply, and you simply cannot deduce from any of this that these families are too poor to afford shoes for their children.
There will be many families eligible for these payments who do provide excellent footwear for their weans, often by going without fags and booze and satellite telly, and others that prefer to spend their money on things other than shoes for the feet of their little ones.
Another thing - does "shoes" mean shoes, or trainers?
Emotive headline.
It ought to have said that 33,000 households applied for and were granted these payments.
There are probably lots more eligible and didn't apply, and you simply cannot deduce from any of this that these families are too poor to afford shoes for their children.
There will be many families eligible for these payments who do provide excellent footwear for their weans, often by going without fags and booze and satellite telly, and others that prefer to spend their money on things other than shoes for the feet of their little ones.
Another thing - does "shoes" mean shoes, or trainers?
Posted by: Sandy, Glasgow on 11:54am Fri 21 Sep 07
I work in a school and the amount of people who receive these grants is amazing. I have got people who are obviously conning the system by using maiden+married names claiming twice, different addresses, children who don't even go to our school. It makes me mad as they obviously have more money coming in from not working per month getting eveything that's going as I do working extremely hard and getting sod all help, I don't get help with my kids clothes/shoes. When you bring the errors to the authorities notice they say it's too late to do anything but I think there must be a way of policing this.
I work in a school and the amount of people who receive these grants is amazing. I have got people who are obviously conning the system by using maiden+married names claiming twice, different addresses, children who don't even go to our school. It makes me mad as they obviously have more money coming in from not working per month getting eveything that's going as I do working extremely hard and getting sod all help, I don't get help with my kids clothes/shoes. When you bring the errors to the authorities notice they say it's too late to do anything but I think there must be a way of policing this.
Posted by: tb303, London / Glasgow on 12:07pm Fri 21 Sep 07
That headline should read:
"33,000 city families rely on grants to buy uniforms because they have spent their money on other non-essential items"
That headline should read:
"33,000 city families rely on grants to buy uniforms because they have spent their money on other non-essential items"
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 12:44pm Fri 21 Sep 07
can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform.
Regards
Ian Krankie
can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform.
Regards
Ian Krankie
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:44pm Fri 21 Sep 07
My neighbour got the grant £46 That was to buy all the school uniform The blazer was £93 itself .There are lots of others abusing it,Espacially the junkie parents,
My neighbour got the grant £46 That was to buy all the school uniform The blazer was £93 itself .There are lots of others abusing it,Espacially the junkie parents,
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 12:44pm Fri 21 Sep 07
can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform.
Regards
Ian Krankie
can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform.
Regards
Ian Krankie
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 12:45pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform
Regards
Ian Krankie
Can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform
Regards
Ian Krankie
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 12:45pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform
Regards
Ian Krankie
Can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform
Regards
Ian Krankie
Posted by: ela1, glasgow on 12:51pm Fri 21 Sep 07
There are many families who are dependant upon the grants, however, the majority are not. You need to be in receipt of qualifying benefits and some of these are work related and yes they are people on low incomes. However, as correctly stated some people within our communities are claiming as single parents, when, infact they have a partner living with them and are abusing the welfare benefits system. I must add that when you go through many areas of Glasgow the children without adequate footwear are a definite minority the majority are dressed in "designer gear" or other named labels!
There are many families who are dependant upon the grants, however, the majority are not. You need to be in receipt of qualifying benefits and some of these are work related and yes they are people on low incomes. However, as correctly stated some people within our communities are claiming as single parents, when, infact they have a partner living with them and are abusing the welfare benefits system. I must add that when you go through many areas of Glasgow the children without adequate footwear are a definite minority the majority are dressed in "designer gear" or other named labels!
Posted by: Lss613, Philadelphia on 1:07pm Fri 21 Sep 07
It is amzing to me that in this day and age Glasgow is still very Victorian, A lot of these parents should be taught birth control or at least given iy free. Still a lot of them can work some will say there ar no jobs I read the record and Times on line and there are hundreds of jobs listed. But why work when you can stay home and get paid for it
It is amzing to me that in this day and age Glasgow is still very Victorian, A lot of these parents should be taught birth control or at least given iy free. Still a lot of them can work some will say there ar no jobs I read the record and Times on line and there are hundreds of jobs listed. But why work when you can stay home and get paid for it
Posted by: trenator, Glasgow on 1:18pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]LSS613 wrote[/bold]
But why work when you can stay home and get paid for it[/quote]
Spot on. Optional birth control would not work. In fact, these "parents" know fully well that their income is dependent on having children, otherwise they would have to find a job.
This is the result of +50 year plus of Labour rule in Glasgow: a culture of dependency, living off benefits and permanent refusal to get a job. The sooner the new SNP government starts targeting the workshy scumbags, the better.
LSS613 wrote
But why work when you can stay home and get paid for it
Spot on. Optional birth control would not work. In fact, these "parents" know fully well that their income is dependent on having children, otherwise they would have to find a job.
This is the result of +50 year plus of Labour rule in Glasgow: a culture of dependency, living off benefits and permanent refusal to get a job. The sooner the new SNP government starts targeting the workshy scumbags, the better.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 1:22pm Fri 21 Sep 07
We have to put this in context. In the UK Glasgow has the highest rate of people on sickness/disability allowance. And this is backed up by the fact that Glasgow has the highest mortality rate in Western europe. Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow. so a fair percentage of the parents wont be able to physically work due to health issues. And no this is just not Junkie parents. Its not that simplistic. If the government wants a healthy workforce in Glasgow, then try cutting on the air pollution, the drug & alcohol addiction, the violence etc. Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
We have to put this in context. In the UK Glasgow has the highest rate of people on sickness/disability allowance. And this is backed up by the fact that Glasgow has the highest mortality rate in Western europe. Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow. so a fair percentage of the parents wont be able to physically work due to health issues. And no this is just not Junkie parents. Its not that simplistic. If the government wants a healthy workforce in Glasgow, then try cutting on the air pollution, the drug & alcohol addiction, the violence etc. Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:27pm Fri 21 Sep 07
this is why people should need a licence to have a kid
they cant afford it coz they are smelly junkies, who bought smack instead of condoms and endedup with some poor unfortunate sprog who will never have a chance in life
you need a licence for a telly, why not a child
if you cant pass the credit check then you cant have babies.
and if you do, they get taken off you by the social and given to rich family's in the mearns
this is why people should need a licence to have a kid
they cant afford it coz they are smelly junkies, who bought smack instead of condoms and endedup with some poor unfortunate sprog who will never have a chance in life
you need a licence for a telly, why not a child
if you cant pass the credit check then you cant have babies.
and if you do, they get taken off you by the social and given to rich family's in the mearns
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:28pm Fri 21 Sep 07
this is why people should need a licence to have a kid
they cant afford it coz they are smelly junkies, who bought smack instead of condoms and endedup with some poor unfortunate sprog who will never have a chance in life
you need a licence for a telly, why not a child
if you cant pass the credit check then you cant have babies.
and if you do, they get taken off you by the social and given to rich family's in the mearns
this is why people should need a licence to have a kid
they cant afford it coz they are smelly junkies, who bought smack instead of condoms and endedup with some poor unfortunate sprog who will never have a chance in life
you need a licence for a telly, why not a child
if you cant pass the credit check then you cant have babies.
and if you do, they get taken off you by the social and given to rich family's in the mearns
Posted by: tb303, London / Glasgow on 1:32pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote:
this is why people should need a licence to have a kid they cant afford it coz they are smelly junkies, who bought smack instead of condoms and endedup with some poor unfortunate sprog who will never have a chance in life you need a licence for a telly, why not a child if you cant pass the credit check then you cant have babies. and if you do, they get taken off you by the social and given to rich family's in the mearns[/quote] To be fair, you should either have to pass a credit OR intelligence test.:-)
yerauldda wrote:
this is why people should need a licence to have a kid they cant afford it coz they are smelly junkies, who bought smack instead of condoms and endedup with some poor unfortunate sprog who will never have a chance in life you need a licence for a telly, why not a child if you cant pass the credit check then you cant have babies. and if you do, they get taken off you by the social and given to rich family's in the mearns
To be fair, you should either have to pass a credit OR intelligence test.:-)
Posted by: trenator, Glasgow, on 1:41pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Meep wrote[/bold]
Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow[/quote]
Incorrect. If you live in the west end suburbs, your life expectancy is higher than the Scottish average.
[quote][bold]Meep wrote[/bold] Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.[/quote]
The statistics show that unemployment rates and life expectancy are inversely correlated. The higher the unemployment rate in a given area, the lower life expectancy. Thus, we can assert with confidence that being workshy and living off benefits is detrimental to your health and will lead to a shorter life.
Meep wrote
Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow
Incorrect. If you live in the west end suburbs, your life expectancy is higher than the Scottish average.
Meep wrote Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
The statistics show that unemployment rates and life expectancy are inversely correlated. The higher the unemployment rate in a given area, the lower life expectancy. Thus, we can assert with confidence that being workshy and living off benefits is detrimental to your health and will lead to a shorter life.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 1:45pm Fri 21 Sep 07
The Evening Times is really starting to follow the rest of the media in sensationalising trivia and making up outright lies just for good headlines. Pretending that Gordon Strachan is in the running for the Chelsea job is one thing. Pretending that there are currently 33,000 children running around Glasgow barefoot because they can't afford shoes is almost as ridiculous..
The Evening Times is really starting to follow the rest of the media in sensationalising trivia and making up outright lies just for good headlines. Pretending that Gordon Strachan is in the running for the Chelsea job is one thing. Pretending that there are currently 33,000 children running around Glasgow barefoot because they can't afford shoes is almost as ridiculous..
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 2:41pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote] If the government wants a healthy workforce in Glasgow, then try cutting on the air pollution, the drug & alcohol addiction, the violence etc. Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.[/quote]
Meep - the reason why so many are on the sick is that they won't work. If they had to follow the discipline of not getting drunk or stoned at night, going to bed at a sensible time, getting up in the morning, getting dressed in grown up clothes, going to work, doing a job, and coming home to the kids they would have better health and live longer as well as being able to dress their kids and eat better. They'd probably have fewer children too, which is a great way to keep out of poverty.
Just like everyone else in Scotland.
That's why living in parts of Glasgow kills them off. Check out the Glasgow Centre for Population Health website for statistical evidence on all these topics.
Now we have more jobs than ever before there's no excuse.
And anyway, how do you think the government could cut drug and alcohol addiction and violence? By passing laws? We have plenty laws, Governments can't stop stupid people doing stupid things - can't be done.
Anyway - parents can easily afford to clothe their children for school at Tesco and Asda and Sainsbury's - no excuses these days, just cut down on inessentials like Sky TV and fags and dope and booze.
If the government wants a healthy workforce in Glasgow, then try cutting on the air pollution, the drug & alcohol addiction, the violence etc. Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
Meep - the reason why so many are on the sick is that they won't work. If they had to follow the discipline of not getting drunk or stoned at night, going to bed at a sensible time, getting up in the morning, getting dressed in grown up clothes, going to work, doing a job, and coming home to the kids they would have better health and live longer as well as being able to dress their kids and eat better. They'd probably have fewer children too, which is a great way to keep out of poverty.
Just like everyone else in Scotland.
That's why living in parts of Glasgow kills them off. Check out the Glasgow Centre for Population Health website for statistical evidence on all these topics.
Now we have more jobs than ever before there's no excuse.
And anyway, how do you think the government could cut drug and alcohol addiction and violence? By passing laws? We have plenty laws, Governments can't stop stupid people doing stupid things - can't be done.
Anyway - parents can easily afford to clothe their children for school at Tesco and Asda and Sainsbury's - no excuses these days, just cut down on inessentials like Sky TV and fags and dope and booze.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:29pm Fri 21 Sep 07
The reason the death rate is so high in younger people in Glasgow is the culture of drugs, booze and not working. I'm sick and tired of these stupid headlines which mean nothing. No-one, but no-one, is poor in Glasgow today. They spend their benefit on crap. They buy cheap and rubbish food so they can have money for booze, ciggies, etc.
Tie their tubes, kick their backsides and stop their benefits. That should do the trick
The reason the death rate is so high in younger people in Glasgow is the culture of drugs, booze and not working. I'm sick and tired of these stupid headlines which mean nothing. No-one, but no-one, is poor in Glasgow today. They spend their benefit on crap. They buy cheap and rubbish food so they can have money for booze, ciggies, etc.
Tie their tubes, kick their backsides and stop their benefits. That should do the trick
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 3:31pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Johnny punchclock you have clearly never tried to live on government handouts. While I agree with the point that there is fraud your point beggars belief. You would not get much fags booze and drugs on 50 pound per week ya numptie. Or maybe I'm just going to the wrong dealers. Are your dealers government subsidised or something.
Johnny punchclock you have clearly never tried to live on government handouts. While I agree with the point that there is fraud your point beggars belief. You would not get much fags booze and drugs on 50 pound per week ya numptie. Or maybe I'm just going to the wrong dealers. Are your dealers government subsidised or something.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 3:54pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
Johnny punchclock you have clearly never tried to live on government handouts. While I agree with the point that there is fraud your point beggars belief. You would not get much fags booze and drugs on 50 pound per week ya numptie. Or maybe I'm just going to the wrong dealers. Are your dealers government subsidised or something.[/quote] but all people on the dole sell drugs, so they get more than £50.
they just buy more drugs, and buckie
jonny bond wrote:
Johnny punchclock you have clearly never tried to live on government handouts. While I agree with the point that there is fraud your point beggars belief. You would not get much fags booze and drugs on 50 pound per week ya numptie. Or maybe I'm just going to the wrong dealers. Are your dealers government subsidised or something.
but all people on the dole sell drugs, so they get more than £50.
they just buy more drugs, and buckie
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 3:58pm Fri 21 Sep 07
jonny bond, I've been in work for nearly 25 years, so of course I've not been on benefits - you make it sound like a virtue.
IB plus Child Benefit plus Child tax credit plus IS plus HB plus CTB comes to a lot more than £50 for Ma (and sometimes Pa) and three weans. I never said anything about fraud.
jonny bond, I've been in work for nearly 25 years, so of course I've not been on benefits - you make it sound like a virtue.
IB plus Child Benefit plus Child tax credit plus IS plus HB plus CTB comes to a lot more than £50 for Ma (and sometimes Pa) and three weans. I never said anything about fraud.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:07pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[italic]"Tie their tubes, kick their backsides and stop their benefits. That should do the trick!"[/italic]
Lovely way of putting it Stewie! Nice touch! Sure you'll make a fine Social Worker, or Care Assistant!
Realistically this comes down to us all taking far more responsibility for one another, and calls on us to stop blaming the state, police, Government, and Councils - they can only be held accountable for part of the problem.
The rest is up to us! So lets take more care of one another, set far better examples for our kids, stop moaning so much - when the solution is often staring us in the face, think far mess materialistically, drink & eat more responsibly and for gods sake be happy with what we've got!
Nobody is happy with what they have anymore.
We're all a bunch of whingers, move to the African flooded areas, or the fire ravished parts of Greece, the Hurricane Damaged American Coastlines or parts of the world where natural disasters have occurred.
Those with the least material goods, money and quality of education / employment available to them often are far more content and happy than our ungreatful, spoilt, whinging brats!
High time we took a reality check of whats going on beyond our own front door, and realise how much we really have!
"Tie their tubes, kick their backsides and stop their benefits. That should do the trick!"
Lovely way of putting it Stewie! Nice touch! Sure you'll make a fine Social Worker, or Care Assistant!
Realistically this comes down to us all taking far more responsibility for one another, and calls on us to stop blaming the state, police, Government, and Councils - they can only be held accountable for part of the problem.
The rest is up to us! So lets take more care of one another, set far better examples for our kids, stop moaning so much - when the solution is often staring us in the face, think far mess materialistically, drink & eat more responsibly and for gods sake be happy with what we've got!
Nobody is happy with what they have anymore.
We're all a bunch of whingers, move to the African flooded areas, or the fire ravished parts of Greece, the Hurricane Damaged American Coastlines or parts of the world where natural disasters have occurred.
Those with the least material goods, money and quality of education / employment available to them often are far more content and happy than our ungreatful, spoilt, whinging brats!
High time we took a reality check of whats going on beyond our own front door, and realise how much we really have!
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 4:10pm Fri 21 Sep 07
I am a hard working mother of two children and a single parent. I get the clothing grant for my youngest and I am shocked and saddened by the total lack of compassion you lot show to those of us who have never fiddled the system but are decent honest hardworking folk trying to do the best for our children. I would get more on benefit but choose to set an example to my children and work 18 hours a week on the minimum wage. It beggars belief the attitude in this country to people with nothing better to do than moan about everyone else but themselves. Most of you cant see anyone getting something you aren't and berate anyone who does. Before you take a swipe at single parents, remember the same could happen to you.
I am a hard working mother of two children and a single parent. I get the clothing grant for my youngest and I am shocked and saddened by the total lack of compassion you lot show to those of us who have never fiddled the system but are decent honest hardworking folk trying to do the best for our children. I would get more on benefit but choose to set an example to my children and work 18 hours a week on the minimum wage. It beggars belief the attitude in this country to people with nothing better to do than moan about everyone else but themselves. Most of you cant see anyone getting something you aren't and berate anyone who does. Before you take a swipe at single parents, remember the same could happen to you.
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:13pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
We have to put this in context. In the UK Glasgow has the highest rate of people on sickness/disability allowance. And this is backed up by the fact that Glasgow has the highest mortality rate in Western europe. Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow. so a fair percentage of the parents wont be able to physically work due to health issues. And no this is just not Junkie parents. Its not that simplistic. If the government wants a healthy workforce in Glasgow, then try cutting on the air pollution, the drug & alcohol addiction, the violence etc. Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.[/quote] Meep, that's not quite true. If you live in the City Centre, Merchant City, West End or South Side of Glasgow you have the same (or sometimes a higher) life expectancy than the rest of the country. Its North and East Glasgow that hold the main problems. Air pollution is the same as any other large city in the UK!
I agree with an earler post also - there can be no excuse for not being able to kit out your kids. The big supermarkets stock cheap options and so far as I'm concerned, your kids come FIRST! If that means stopping the booze and fags then so be it!!
Meep wrote:
We have to put this in context. In the UK Glasgow has the highest rate of people on sickness/disability allowance. And this is backed up by the fact that Glasgow has the highest mortality rate in Western europe. Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow. so a fair percentage of the parents wont be able to physically work due to health issues. And no this is just not Junkie parents. Its not that simplistic. If the government wants a healthy workforce in Glasgow, then try cutting on the air pollution, the drug & alcohol addiction, the violence etc. Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
Meep, that's not quite true. If you live in the City Centre, Merchant City, West End or South Side of Glasgow you have the same (or sometimes a higher) life expectancy than the rest of the country. Its North and East Glasgow that hold the main problems. Air pollution is the same as any other large city in the UK!
I agree with an earler post also - there can be no excuse for not being able to kit out your kids. The big supermarkets stock cheap options and so far as I'm concerned, your kids come FIRST! If that means stopping the booze and fags then so be it!!
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 4:17pm Fri 21 Sep 07
I would like to add that I have spent the whole day and part of my days EVERY DAY looking for a job that will give me a better standard of living - without success. Seeing as it is so easy to find work - will you give me a job. Somehow I don't think so. You just want a good moan.............
I would like to add that I have spent the whole day and part of my days EVERY DAY looking for a job that will give me a better standard of living - without success. Seeing as it is so easy to find work - will you give me a job. Somehow I don't think so. You just want a good moan.............
Posted by: trenator, Glasgow on 4:41pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Misty: if true I admire your ethos, keep yourself in employment and set a good example to your children. The problem is not people like you but those who refuse to take jobs.
If you want to get a better job, keep working hard, train and educate yourself.
www.open.ac.uk -you can study at home after work while keeping an eye on the kids. Many single parents have advanced their careers thanks to the Open Uni.
Misty: if true I admire your ethos, keep yourself in employment and set a good example to your children. The problem is not people like you but those who refuse to take jobs.
If you want to get a better job, keep working hard, train and educate yourself.
www.open.ac.uk -you can study at home after work while keeping an eye on the kids. Many single parents have advanced their careers thanks to the Open Uni.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:01pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Misty, I too wish you every success in finding what you are looking for be it a carreer, or further education first!
THe cynicism displayed here by so many is only a reflection of the way so many of us get annoyed by those who flout the laws, milk the system and are fraudulantly claiming, when they are not entitled to.
Perhaps that gets blown out of proportion, or just distorts our perception of the genuine claimants like yourself.
Perhaps if the E.T. had examples lke yourself who try so hard, and get so little back we would sit up and take notice. But the way our tabloids select what and who their stories are going to contain, and how they are going to be presented makes all the difference.
And sensationalization all too often gets peoples backs up, and winds the hard working, law abiding readers up even more.
Misty, you clearly are one of a minority who is in genuine need. It's just sad so many still manage to abuse the system, and get away with it, time and time again!
Misty, I too wish you every success in finding what you are looking for be it a carreer, or further education first!
THe cynicism displayed here by so many is only a reflection of the way so many of us get annoyed by those who flout the laws, milk the system and are fraudulantly claiming, when they are not entitled to.
Perhaps that gets blown out of proportion, or just distorts our perception of the genuine claimants like yourself.
Perhaps if the E.T. had examples lke yourself who try so hard, and get so little back we would sit up and take notice. But the way our tabloids select what and who their stories are going to contain, and how they are going to be presented makes all the difference.
And sensationalization all too often gets peoples backs up, and winds the hard working, law abiding readers up even more.
Misty, you clearly are one of a minority who is in genuine need. It's just sad so many still manage to abuse the system, and get away with it, time and time again!
Posted by: max on 5:28pm Fri 21 Sep 07
IF there are children without shoes or school clothes its up to their parents with or without a grant to make sure their children have shoes and clothes PRIORITY
IF there are children without shoes or school clothes its up to their parents with or without a grant to make sure their children have shoes and clothes PRIORITY
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 5:56pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Treanator and People Power. Thank you for your kind words and advice. I have worked my entire life and don't intend to stop now! I am also starting college in November to give me an "edge" on the job front.
I agree wholeheartedly with the views of People Power. It is up to us not just to make a difference in our own lives but those that are not as fortunate as us and, believe me, when I say I regard myself as fortunate. My young son always has the best I can afford and all of his clothes and shoes when he has outgrown them are then sent to the third world for those that are not as fortunate as him. Instead of moaning about the problems online in the comfort of their homes, readers should be getting involved and doing something positive with their time to help.
Treanator and People Power. Thank you for your kind words and advice. I have worked my entire life and don't intend to stop now! I am also starting college in November to give me an "edge" on the job front.
I agree wholeheartedly with the views of People Power. It is up to us not just to make a difference in our own lives but those that are not as fortunate as us and, believe me, when I say I regard myself as fortunate. My young son always has the best I can afford and all of his clothes and shoes when he has outgrown them are then sent to the third world for those that are not as fortunate as him. Instead of moaning about the problems online in the comfort of their homes, readers should be getting involved and doing something positive with their time to help.
Posted by: WeeT, Glasgow on 5:57pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Another thing, which has'nt been brought up yet, is that certain schools (Shawlands Area) are DICTATING the brands of shoes to be worn- which would be exceptable to them. Nothing in concideration as to whether or not the parent(s) can afford it.I have also heard of a situation where a pupil was under threat of being sent home for not wearing SCHOOL APPROVED shoes.Similar type shoes of equal quality type could almost certainly be bought from the big supermarkets at Newlands, Toryglen or similar where the local people do shop locally, instead of having to go to a specific shop for a specific brand.
One thing is for sure though...the grant would not cover the cost of them!!
Another thing, which has'nt been brought up yet, is that certain schools (Shawlands Area) are DICTATING the brands of shoes to be worn- which would be exceptable to them. Nothing in concideration as to whether or not the parent(s) can afford it.I have also heard of a situation where a pupil was under threat of being sent home for not wearing SCHOOL APPROVED shoes.Similar type shoes of equal quality type could almost certainly be bought from the big supermarkets at Newlands, Toryglen or similar where the local people do shop locally, instead of having to go to a specific shop for a specific brand.
One thing is for sure though...the grant would not cover the cost of them!!
Posted by: colinc66, glasgow on 6:39pm Fri 21 Sep 07
any parent who smokes should not be eligible for these grants imo
any parent who smokes should not be eligible for these grants imo
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 6:48pm Fri 21 Sep 07
and how about those who drink and those who drive and pollute the air with the chemicals emitted from their vehicles - these chemicals are every bit as bad as smokers!
and how about those who drink and those who drive and pollute the air with the chemicals emitted from their vehicles - these chemicals are every bit as bad as smokers!
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 6:52pm Fri 21 Sep 07
MY DAUGHTERS SCHOOL EXPECT PARENTS TO BUY THEIR CHILD A BLAZER FROM THE SCHOOL ..COST £42.00 SO FOR ANY PARENT TRYING TO BUY A WHOLE UNIFORM ON A GRANT THIS IS A JOKE. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL PAYS FOR THESE BLAZERS.PS IN 41 YEARS I HAVE NOT SEEN A SHOELESS CHILD IN GLASGOW,EXCEPTION DURING HEATWAVE.
MY DAUGHTERS SCHOOL EXPECT PARENTS TO BUY THEIR CHILD A BLAZER FROM THE SCHOOL ..COST £42.00 SO FOR ANY PARENT TRYING TO BUY A WHOLE UNIFORM ON A GRANT THIS IS A JOKE. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL PAYS FOR THESE BLAZERS.PS IN 41 YEARS I HAVE NOT SEEN A SHOELESS CHILD IN GLASGOW,EXCEPTION DURING HEATWAVE.
Posted by: Steven Glaswegian, Edinburgh (Unfortunatley!) on 7:05pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Can't afford shoes for their kids? Well get out and WORK!
Can't afford shoes for their kids? Well get out and WORK!
Posted by: Grandmaster of the Illuminati, rutherglen on 7:13pm Fri 21 Sep 07
i dont have and do not intend to have kids therefore i couldnt care less although i must admit i like to see girls dressed in a uniform as they look very smart
i dont have and do not intend to have kids therefore i couldnt care less although i must admit i like to see girls dressed in a uniform as they look very smart
Posted by: shockparade, glasgow on 7:16pm Fri 21 Sep 07
The truth is that the majority take the grant and probably need it at that time - but they really need to prioritise their money and stop relying on all the handout that they get. I know of people who are due the grant and use it for other things - it should all stop.
The truth is that the majority take the grant and probably need it at that time - but they really need to prioritise their money and stop relying on all the handout that they get. I know of people who are due the grant and use it for other things - it should all stop.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:17pm Fri 21 Sep 07
It does beggar belief, on the cost charged for School Uniforms generally! What clues have our Authorities have when they potentially exclude some of our children, because they cannot afford i.e. a new Gym kit, or shoes ?
Everybody has different views on the need of a "Uniform" in Schools in the first place.
But, what is clear is the way pupils are less likely to be bullied, and stand out from the crowd, if they don't have the designer labels / jeans etc that they'ed be wearing without a uniform.
It's just sad that Uniforms still have to be so expensive, when they promote a feeling of belonging, togetherness, and even pride in those who are identifiable by their individual uniform, with it's own Badge, and Latin Logo. . . i.e Jordanhill's "Ad Summa Nitor!" ( Strive For The Highest!)So, in a way, uniforms give children a sense of identity, and make them feel they fit in.
Thats just my take on them. But they shouldn't be so expensive, with such particular needs for makes of shoes if that is the case!
Surely what they learn, and achieve is more important than the specifics of how they dress.
It does beggar belief, on the cost charged for School Uniforms generally! What clues have our Authorities have when they potentially exclude some of our children, because they cannot afford i.e. a new Gym kit, or shoes ?
Everybody has different views on the need of a "Uniform" in Schools in the first place.
But, what is clear is the way pupils are less likely to be bullied, and stand out from the crowd, if they don't have the designer labels / jeans etc that they'ed be wearing without a uniform.
It's just sad that Uniforms still have to be so expensive, when they promote a feeling of belonging, togetherness, and even pride in those who are identifiable by their individual uniform, with it's own Badge, and Latin Logo. . . i.e Jordanhill's "Ad Summa Nitor!" ( Strive For The Highest!)So, in a way, uniforms give children a sense of identity, and make them feel they fit in.
Thats just my take on them. But they shouldn't be so expensive, with such particular needs for makes of shoes if that is the case!
Surely what they learn, and achieve is more important than the specifics of how they dress.
Posted by: monel, glasgow on 7:18pm Fri 21 Sep 07
What we also must remember,is that schools demand a certain uniform which leaves little out of the 46 pounds paid to us.
Also,my son gets shoes with or without this grant,as I dont smoke,drink or do drugs...Im a carer for a special needs child,get little support from the govt and get paid 48.30 pounds per week for being a carer,and single parent(im a guy too,before we go into the stuff about girls getting pregnant for houses etc).
When schools have the cheek to charge 12 quid for a sweatshirt and 8 quid for a polo shirt and DEMAND that kids wear them...well,lets get this into perspective,which the reporter didnt touch in the article....just that we have 33,000 barefoot kids in Glasgow,what garbage!!!
What we also must remember,is that schools demand a certain uniform which leaves little out of the 46 pounds paid to us.
Also,my son gets shoes with or without this grant,as I dont smoke,drink or do drugs...Im a carer for a special needs child,get little support from the govt and get paid 48.30 pounds per week for being a carer,and single parent(im a guy too,before we go into the stuff about girls getting pregnant for houses etc).
When schools have the cheek to charge 12 quid for a sweatshirt and 8 quid for a polo shirt and DEMAND that kids wear them...well,lets get this into perspective,which the reporter didnt touch in the article....just that we have 33,000 barefoot kids in Glasgow,what garbage!!!
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 7:19pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]trenator[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep wrote[/bold]
Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow[/quote]
Incorrect. If you live in the west end suburbs, your life expectancy is higher than the Scottish average.
[quote][bold]Meep wrote[/bold] Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.[/quote]
The statistics show that unemployment rates and life expectancy are inversely correlated. The higher the unemployment rate in a given area, the lower life expectancy. Thus, we can assert with confidence that being workshy and living off benefits is detrimental to your health and will lead to a shorter life.
[/quote] I left Glasgow to live in the countryside & when i have to visit the city it is a culture shock now..The poverty is evident & the amount of people who actually look ill is staggering,this is down to bad diet,smoking,drinkin
g..
Misty i hope you do find a job soon,obviously not all single parents are work shy dole heads,so please ignore the dick-heads who post thoughtless comments..Good luck to you..
trenator wrote:
Meep wrote
Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow
Incorrect. If you live in the west end suburbs, your life expectancy is higher than the Scottish average.
Meep wrote Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
The statistics show that unemployment rates and life expectancy are inversely correlated. The higher the unemployment rate in a given area, the lower life expectancy. Thus, we can assert with confidence that being workshy and living off benefits is detrimental to your health and will lead to a shorter life.
I left Glasgow to live in the countryside & when i have to visit the city it is a culture shock now..The poverty is evident & the amount of people who actually look ill is staggering,this is down to bad diet,smoking,drinkin
g..
Misty i hope you do find a job soon,obviously not all single parents are work shy dole heads,so please ignore the dick-heads who post thoughtless comments..Good luck to you..
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 7:19pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]trenator[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep wrote[/bold]
Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow[/quote]
Incorrect. If you live in the west end suburbs, your life expectancy is higher than the Scottish average.
[quote][bold]Meep wrote[/bold] Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.[/quote]
The statistics show that unemployment rates and life expectancy are inversely correlated. The higher the unemployment rate in a given area, the lower life expectancy. Thus, we can assert with confidence that being workshy and living off benefits is detrimental to your health and will lead to a shorter life.
[/quote] I left Glasgow to live in the countryside & when i have to visit the city it is a culture shock now..The poverty is evident & the amount of people who actually look ill is staggering,this is down to bad diet,smoking,drinkin
g..
Misty i hope you do find a job soon,obviously not all single parents are work shy dole heads,so please ignore the dick-heads who post thoughtless comments..Good luck to you..
trenator wrote:
Meep wrote
Living in Glasgow takes 20 years off your life going by the mortality rates in Glasgow
Incorrect. If you live in the west end suburbs, your life expectancy is higher than the Scottish average.
Meep wrote Just putting it down to work shy parents is just lazy right wing inadequates.
The statistics show that unemployment rates and life expectancy are inversely correlated. The higher the unemployment rate in a given area, the lower life expectancy. Thus, we can assert with confidence that being workshy and living off benefits is detrimental to your health and will lead to a shorter life.
I left Glasgow to live in the countryside & when i have to visit the city it is a culture shock now..The poverty is evident & the amount of people who actually look ill is staggering,this is down to bad diet,smoking,drinkin
g..
Misty i hope you do find a job soon,obviously not all single parents are work shy dole heads,so please ignore the dick-heads who post thoughtless comments..Good luck to you..
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 7:38pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Children are our future!!!!! They are precious and should be given anything they need. If it was up to me I'd kit them out head to toe in the best quality I could and not just my own - all kids. Why do so many grudge what these kids get - its beyond me - I know you are moaning about the parents but it's not the kids fault is it. Come on, spare a thought for them and put yourself in their shoes [no pun intended]!
PS. This single parent after a **** hard week is off out to have a laugh.
PPS. Thanks Biffo!
Children are our future!!!!! They are precious and should be given anything they need. If it was up to me I'd kit them out head to toe in the best quality I could and not just my own - all kids. Why do so many grudge what these kids get - its beyond me - I know you are moaning about the parents but it's not the kids fault is it. Come on, spare a thought for them and put yourself in their shoes !
PS. This single parent after a **** hard week is off out to have a laugh.
PPS. Thanks Biffo!
Posted by: robert, glasgow on 7:46pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote:
and how about those who drink and those who drive and pollute the air with the chemicals emitted from their vehicles - these chemicals are every bit as bad as smokers![/quote] i take it you walk everywhere.[bold]bold[/bold]
misty wrote:
and how about those who drink and those who drive and pollute the air with the chemicals emitted from their vehicles - these chemicals are every bit as bad as smokers!
i take it you walk everywhere.
Posted by: robert, glasgow on 7:48pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]colinc66[/bold] wrote:
any parent who smokes should not be eligible for these grants imo[/quote] i think you missed out a 6 after your name.
colinc66 wrote:
any parent who smokes should not be eligible for these grants imo
i think you missed out a 6 after your name.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:54pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Just wish whoever hands out these grants could be more organised and committed to ensuring the money is going to those who are the most needy, and at the right time / moment!
Surely the fraud of using both surnames of a co-habiting couple, as well as not even having children could be easy areas to check up on.
If these more stringent checks were made maybe money could be dedicated to those most at need.
Just wish whoever hands out these grants could be more organised and committed to ensuring the money is going to those who are the most needy, and at the right time / moment!
Surely the fraud of using both surnames of a co-habiting couple, as well as not even having children could be easy areas to check up on.
If these more stringent checks were made maybe money could be dedicated to those most at need.
Posted by: dietbrugirl, glasgow on 8:51pm Fri 21 Sep 07
ok, this may seem hard and inappropriate, however, you can buy a complete uniform in asda for £15, so whats the problem???? so if its not a good enough name then get a job and buy what you like!!!!!! sorry but had enough of these lifetime benefit individuals who expect everything to be handed to them on a plate without lifting a finger.
ok, this may seem hard and inappropriate, however, you can buy a complete uniform in asda for £15, so whats the problem???? so if its not a good enough name then get a job and buy what you like!!!!!! sorry but had enough of these lifetime benefit individuals who expect everything to be handed to them on a plate without lifting a finger.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:02pm Fri 21 Sep 07
A complete uniform for limited schools, I would of thought!
The colours, and styles of uniforms accross the city are varied and different. So Asda may not cater for every school.
A complete uniform for limited schools, I would of thought!
The colours, and styles of uniforms accross the city are varied and different. So Asda may not cater for every school.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 9:13pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Some of the posts are really dis-heartening. I grew up in Govan in the 70's and 80's and was eligible for all of the grants / handouts avaliable. Not because my parents were junkies or benefit cheats but because we needed them. They helped go a bit of the way to support us at school but didn't pay for everything nevermind all the other bills that came in. Now as a father of 3 primary/nursery age kids with a good income it is really easy to see how little £46 per year buys towards a childs school clothing.
Remember that most of the reason that Glasgow is a poor relation in city terms is that for most of the time from the 40's onwards that every Government has deemed fit to cut the city population, this was dressed up as slum clearences but was actually a designed policy because it was felt that a city of over 1 million in Scotland was too powerful. Look to the council boundries and every city in the UK with the exception of Glasgow has expanded while Glasgow's boundries have been cut. Just ask why an area such as the old Eastwood DC could exist with no major amenities and live off the city but pay no taxes towards it.
Some of the posts are really dis-heartening. I grew up in Govan in the 70's and 80's and was eligible for all of the grants / handouts avaliable. Not because my parents were junkies or benefit cheats but because we needed them. They helped go a bit of the way to support us at school but didn't pay for everything nevermind all the other bills that came in. Now as a father of 3 primary/nursery age kids with a good income it is really easy to see how little £46 per year buys towards a childs school clothing.
Remember that most of the reason that Glasgow is a poor relation in city terms is that for most of the time from the 40's onwards that every Government has deemed fit to cut the city population, this was dressed up as slum clearences but was actually a designed policy because it was felt that a city of over 1 million in Scotland was too powerful. Look to the council boundries and every city in the UK with the exception of Glasgow has expanded while Glasgow's boundries have been cut. Just ask why an area such as the old Eastwood DC could exist with no major amenities and live off the city but pay no taxes towards it.
Posted by: dietbrugirl, glasgow on 9:14pm Fri 21 Sep 07
the fact is , its not so expensive to buy uniforms, asda being only one example. the problem is that some peolple are not happy unless its of a well known or fashionable name. to be given benefit for such things is for people who are in need of the basics and not for those who are are wanting to make a fashion statement, which in my opinion for the latter should be a parental contribution instead of a benefit????
the fact is , its not so expensive to buy uniforms, asda being only one example. the problem is that some peolple are not happy unless its of a well known or fashionable name. to be given benefit for such things is for people who are in need of the basics and not for those who are are wanting to make a fashion statement, which in my opinion for the latter should be a parental contribution instead of a benefit????
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 9:21pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Dietbrugirl
Why is it that the people with the least income seem to be the ones that hate wearing the own label clothes?
Dietbrugirl
Why is it that the people with the least income seem to be the ones that hate wearing the own label clothes?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:31pm Fri 21 Sep 07
The snobbery of "Designer Label" or "Supermarket Label Uniforms" is an ongoing problem! the Uniform was meant to tackle the divide between rich and poor and show no difference. But those who choose to flout the rules, still get away with their designer trainers, designer jackets etc. .
This need to fit in, and wear certain labels is beyond me, and is hardly an example we should be setting. It does nothing to help kids who are already having problems, or being i.e. bullied.
We've had 50 posts here talking about the Uniforms, but how many have actually taken the kids into consideration. Lets ensure that they are the priority here, and they are catered for, are happy, are well turned out, and given the support, encouragement and protection they need.
The Uniform, and what it stands for is just one element of what School is really all about.
Lets not make it a far bigger issue than it is.
To be quite honest, I'd far rather we focussed on what we taught kids in the school, than what brand of uniform they wore, or didn't.
Or where the funding for their uniform came from!
Lets not give our kids the same complexes and insecurity issues over what brand names they wear, as there are far more important things to worry about. Lets all get our priorities straight here!
The snobbery of "Designer Label" or "Supermarket Label Uniforms" is an ongoing problem! the Uniform was meant to tackle the divide between rich and poor and show no difference. But those who choose to flout the rules, still get away with their designer trainers, designer jackets etc. .
This need to fit in, and wear certain labels is beyond me, and is hardly an example we should be setting. It does nothing to help kids who are already having problems, or being i.e. bullied.
We've had 50 posts here talking about the Uniforms, but how many have actually taken the kids into consideration. Lets ensure that they are the priority here, and they are catered for, are happy, are well turned out, and given the support, encouragement and protection they need.
The Uniform, and what it stands for is just one element of what School is really all about.
Lets not make it a far bigger issue than it is.
To be quite honest, I'd far rather we focussed on what we taught kids in the school, than what brand of uniform they wore, or didn't.
Or where the funding for their uniform came from!
Lets not give our kids the same complexes and insecurity issues over what brand names they wear, as there are far more important things to worry about. Lets all get our priorities straight here!
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 9:42pm Fri 21 Sep 07
To People Power
Would it not be a good thing if kids could feel proud to wear thier school uniform in the same way as they wear the latest gear. If the uniform colour or style was standard it wouldn't matter if it came from Asda or Harrords the pride would be in the school. We need to give kids the chance to feel proud of themselves and where they come from and at the moment that doesn't seem to come from school but which 'tag' they can scribble on a wall.
To People Power
Would it not be a good thing if kids could feel proud to wear thier school uniform in the same way as they wear the latest gear. If the uniform colour or style was standard it wouldn't matter if it came from Asda or Harrords the pride would be in the school. We need to give kids the chance to feel proud of themselves and where they come from and at the moment that doesn't seem to come from school but which 'tag' they can scribble on a wall.
Posted by: dietbrugirl, glasgow on 9:49pm Fri 21 Sep 07
in fact, materialism!!!! get a grip, poverty, we are in britain, were government gives out money to people to live. "poverty" is well defined in other countries were children are under nourished. £47 a year can buy a uniform for the school year no problem!
in fact, materialism!!!! get a grip, poverty, we are in britain, were government gives out money to people to live. "poverty" is well defined in other countries were children are under nourished. £47 a year can buy a uniform for the school year no problem!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:03pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Exactly.
For so many kids their "gang tags" are more relevant than any pride they have in their school.
The Schools kids attend do not inject enough pride and self respect into kids, because they are to busy teaching the basics like the three R's! Reading, Writing and Arithmetic!
Tony Blair's legacy lives on, and instead of our kids being given the skills they will really benefit from, they end up forgetting their times tables, and having no real social or emotional skills or general self esteem.
[bold]1. Have a sense of overall Pride
2. Accept others faults
3. Respect of themselves and of one another
4. Do a good deed every day
5. Accept imperfections
6. Have a hobby
7. Set realistic expectations
8.Remember nothing is forever
9.Set achieveable goals
10. Have confidence in your own judgement
11. Never be ashamed to cry
12. Avoid holding grudges
13. Be a good listener
14. Get to know your community.[/bold]
Just some of the areas that kids should at least be discussing more widely, and generally to give them the skills they really need in life.
But unless we install respect in them and demonstrate it as parents without showing double standards, or hypocracy in how we live our lives, what hopes have we got for tommorrows generations ?
Exactly.
For so many kids their "gang tags" are more relevant than any pride they have in their school.
The Schools kids attend do not inject enough pride and self respect into kids, because they are to busy teaching the basics like the three R's! Reading, Writing and Arithmetic!
Tony Blair's legacy lives on, and instead of our kids being given the skills they will really benefit from, they end up forgetting their times tables, and having no real social or emotional skills or general self esteem.
1. Have a sense of overall Pride
2. Accept others faults
3. Respect of themselves and of one another
4. Do a good deed every day
5. Accept imperfections
6. Have a hobby
7. Set realistic expectations
8.Remember nothing is forever
9.Set achieveable goals
10. Have confidence in your own judgement
11. Never be ashamed to cry
12. Avoid holding grudges
13. Be a good listener
14. Get to know your community.
Just some of the areas that kids should at least be discussing more widely, and generally to give them the skills they really need in life.
But unless we install respect in them and demonstrate it as parents without showing double standards, or hypocracy in how we live our lives, what hopes have we got for tommorrows generations ?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:11pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]dietbrugirl[/bold] wrote:
in fact, materialism!!!! get a grip, poverty, we are in britain, were government gives out money to people to live. "poverty" is well defined in other countries were children are under nourished. £47 a year can buy a uniform for the school year no problem! [/quote] dietbrugirl,
Think you must just be saying black, when others are saying white, and trying to wind folk up! Maybe you need to look at the bigger picture here, and see that for all that you say [italic]"£47 can buy a uniform no problem",[/italic] it is clear this is not the case.
With many other posters experiences differing from you, as well as school uniforms being far from bog standard in their colour & style for what you say to make sense! Go back to sleep!
dietbrugirl wrote:
in fact, materialism!!!! get a grip, poverty, we are in britain, were government gives out money to people to live. "poverty" is well defined in other countries were children are under nourished. £47 a year can buy a uniform for the school year no problem!
dietbrugirl,
Think you must just be saying black, when others are saying white, and trying to wind folk up! Maybe you need to look at the bigger picture here, and see that for all that you say
"£47 can buy a uniform no problem", it is clear this is not the case.
With many other posters experiences differing from you, as well as school uniforms being far from bog standard in their colour & style for what you say to make sense! Go back to sleep!
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 10:11pm Fri 21 Sep 07
To people power
Agree on most but maybe asking for all is taking things too far lets start with the basics.
1. Have a sense of overall Pride
3. Respect of themselves and of one another
10. Have confidence in your own judgement
14. Get to know your community.
To people power
Agree on most but maybe asking for all is taking things too far lets start with the basics.
1. Have a sense of overall Pride
3. Respect of themselves and of one another
10. Have confidence in your own judgement
14. Get to know your community.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 10:15pm Fri 21 Sep 07
to Dietbrugirl
Yes £47 can buy a unifrom but it won't last the full year. I bought three pairs of shoes today in Asda at a combined cost of £18 and if they last more than 2 months I will be happy.
to Dietbrugirl
Yes £47 can buy a unifrom but it won't last the full year. I bought three pairs of shoes today in Asda at a combined cost of £18 and if they last more than 2 months I will be happy.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 10:15pm Fri 21 Sep 07
to Dietbrugirl
Yes £47 can buy a unifrom but it won't last the full year. I bought three pairs of shoes today in Asda at a combined cost of £18 and if they last more than 2 months I will be happy.
to Dietbrugirl
Yes £47 can buy a unifrom but it won't last the full year. I bought three pairs of shoes today in Asda at a combined cost of £18 and if they last more than 2 months I will be happy.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 10:20pm Fri 21 Sep 07
Post script to my last comment, at least I'm in a position to replace them after 2 months unlike many including my parents.
Post script to my last comment, at least I'm in a position to replace them after 2 months unlike many including my parents.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:32pm Fri 21 Sep 07
[quote][bold]fatweegee[/bold] wrote:
To people power Agree on most but maybe asking for all is taking things too far lets start with the basics. 1. Have a sense of overall Pride 3. Respect of themselves and of one another 10. Have confidence in your own judgement 14. Get to know your community. [/quote]
Just some ideas, not set in concrete! But having some basic foundations to start with, and ideas to throw around the discussion table is what we need for our kids.
Would also add something along the lines of repecting each others sexual orientation, wishes and desire to abstain. And discussion on the emotional issues around relationships, not just the constrained, and tight lipped, almost embarassed standard one of talk given as part of "Sex Education!" - No wonder we have such a high rate of teenage pregnancy!
fatweegee wrote:
To people power Agree on most but maybe asking for all is taking things too far lets start with the basics. 1. Have a sense of overall Pride 3. Respect of themselves and of one another 10. Have confidence in your own judgement 14. Get to know your community.
Just some ideas, not set in concrete! But having some basic foundations to start with, and ideas to throw around the discussion table is what we need for our kids.
Would also add something along the lines of repecting each others sexual orientation, wishes and desire to abstain. And discussion on the emotional issues around relationships, not just the constrained, and tight lipped, almost embarassed standard one of talk given as part of "Sex Education!" - No wonder we have such a high rate of teenage pregnancy!
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 2:23pm Sat 22 Sep 07
I am totally dismayed that there are people who actually believe you can buy a uniform for £47!!! Get real, we are talking a measly £47 for goodness sake. Double it and you still don't come close to the cost of the entire uniform. Not to mention all the other costs associated with the school during the year from school photos to teacher's pressys!! Look into your hearts and think of the little kids here who just want to fit in.
I am totally dismayed that there are people who actually believe you can buy a uniform for £47!!! Get real, we are talking a measly £47 for goodness sake. Double it and you still don't come close to the cost of the entire uniform. Not to mention all the other costs associated with the school during the year from school photos to teacher's pressys!! Look into your hearts and think of the little kids here who just want to fit in.
Posted by: alska, cumbernauld on 2:40pm Sat 22 Sep 07
how many of these 33.000 have neddy shell suits costing the earth, how many have ps 3s x-box 360s,, parents find money for those
how many of these 33.000 have neddy shell suits costing the earth, how many have ps 3s x-box 360s,, parents find money for those
Posted by: alska, cumbernauld on 2:42pm Sat 22 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote:
Can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform Regards Ian Krankie[/quote] get her a job at asda, they are free
Biffo the bear wrote:
Can i get a grant to buy my wife a uniform Regards Ian Krankie
get her a job at asda, they are free
Posted by: prather2000, Seattle, USA on 3:35am Sun 23 Sep 07
Glasgow does have the lowest life expectancy in the entire UK, why? there are many factors that contribute to this but the biggest reason is poverty. When you analyise the elements of poverty you have to take into account the lifestyle they lead, many not through choice but due to socioeconomical limitations. The job market, the lack if decent housing, limited education, poor nutrition and then two big factors the amount of smokers and alcohol users. I am not dogging those from Glasgow, I am one of them but got out. To make a difference in your life and that of your kids, you need to think outside the box and look for long term solutions, one's that will benefit those in Glasgow.
Glasgow does have the lowest life expectancy in the entire UK, why? there are many factors that contribute to this but the biggest reason is poverty. When you analyise the elements of poverty you have to take into account the lifestyle they lead, many not through choice but due to socioeconomical limitations. The job market, the lack if decent housing, limited education, poor nutrition and then two big factors the amount of smokers and alcohol users. I am not dogging those from Glasgow, I am one of them but got out. To make a difference in your life and that of your kids, you need to think outside the box and look for long term solutions, one's that will benefit those in Glasgow.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 3:51pm Sun 23 Sep 07
personally i would like two things to happen, sorry three if you count Scotland standing up and taking control of our own country.
Firstly there should be a requirement that all young people who get themselves into a bit of bother should be sent to a Scottish Boot Camp in our wonderful countryside for six months. Have some of our great ex soldiers employed to run them and treat them just like recruits. Teach them a bit of pride in theirselves, their families, their communities and their country. And I am no talking about the British. When they come out of the camps they get a certificate and help to get a job. I know a few old guys who reckon that they got saved by the army, because they were torags who didnt know any better. Of course some could go on to a Scottish Defence force if it suited them. At least they would know that they wouldnae have to go to Iraq because it would be a DEFENCE Force only.
The second thing would be that do the same thing as Bill Clinton did. Give everybody a maximum of 5 years unemployment for their working life. Obviously they would be looked after once they retired after working for enough years. Genuinely sick people would be exempt and I'm no talking about drug addicts or skivvers.That means fathers of Scottish Bairns would have to pay for the priveledge and single mothers would have the same time to get their bairns old enough to go to school then have to work for a living. I do not see it as a punishment but more a way of giving them a chance at a career. If we had a country of our own there wouldnae be far to go if you were unhappy because they would be up here instead of Labour which is controlled by London.
personally i would like two things to happen, sorry three if you count Scotland standing up and taking control of our own country.
Firstly there should be a requirement that all young people who get themselves into a bit of bother should be sent to a Scottish Boot Camp in our wonderful countryside for six months. Have some of our great ex soldiers employed to run them and treat them just like recruits. Teach them a bit of pride in theirselves, their families, their communities and their country. And I am no talking about the British. When they come out of the camps they get a certificate and help to get a job. I know a few old guys who reckon that they got saved by the army, because they were torags who didnt know any better. Of course some could go on to a Scottish Defence force if it suited them. At least they would know that they wouldnae have to go to Iraq because it would be a DEFENCE Force only.
The second thing would be that do the same thing as Bill Clinton did. Give everybody a maximum of 5 years unemployment for their working life. Obviously they would be looked after once they retired after working for enough years. Genuinely sick people would be exempt and I'm no talking about drug addicts or skivvers.That means fathers of Scottish Bairns would have to pay for the priveledge and single mothers would have the same time to get their bairns old enough to go to school then have to work for a living. I do not see it as a punishment but more a way of giving them a chance at a career. If we had a country of our own there wouldnae be far to go if you were unhappy because they would be up here instead of Labour which is controlled by London.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 10:06pm Sun 23 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Grandmaster of the Illuminati[/bold] wrote:
i dont have and do not intend to have kids therefore i couldnt care less although i must admit i like to see girls dressed in a uniform as they look very smart[/quote] glad to hear you will not be having children. . you sound like a perv
Grandmaster of the Illuminati wrote:
i dont have and do not intend to have kids therefore i couldnt care less although i must admit i like to see girls dressed in a uniform as they look very smart
glad to hear you will not be having children. . you sound like a perv
Posted by: hoyceltic, irvine on 3:14pm Mon 24 Sep 07
not all people are abusing this there are genuine people out there who dont even apply because the dont want to be branded as scroungers
not all people are abusing this there are genuine people out there who dont even apply because the dont want to be branded as scroungers
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