Posted by: KB, Glasgow on 11:04am Fri 12 Oct 07
The SPT talk and talk and talk and then propose ridiculous amounts of money for a two-bit extension.
Am I missing something here?
Itis the world's third oldest subway system and the [bold]ONLY[/bold] one not to be extended.
Get a grip SPT.
The SPT talk and talk and talk and then propose ridiculous amounts of money for a two-bit extension.
Am I missing something here?
Itis the world's third oldest subway system and the
ONLY one not to be extended.
Get a grip SPT.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:13am Fri 12 Oct 07
Anythings better than nothing!But it could be opened up to other areas.Glasgow has the Tunnels in place and are sound,Im all for expansion of the subway,Commonwealth games or not.Glasgow as a city needs to send out a message we are open for biz,And it should start as soon as possible.
Anythings better than nothing!But it could be opened up to other areas.Glasgow has the Tunnels in place and are sound,Im all for expansion of the subway,Commonwealth games or not.Glasgow as a city needs to send out a message we are open for biz,And it should start as soon as possible.
Posted by: john1, Glasgow on 11:28am Fri 12 Oct 07
It's ridiculous, a low level line already runs every ten minutes between Partick and SECC to Bridgton & Dalmarnock in the East. Why not extend the subway out to the south side and take some folk off the buses?
It's ridiculous, a low level line already runs every ten minutes between Partick and SECC to Bridgton & Dalmarnock in the East. Why not extend the subway out to the south side and take some folk off the buses?
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 11:33am Fri 12 Oct 07
so by 2014 they want to move people around the city safely?
keep them out the east end then!!
and sort out the opening hours, 6pm on a sunday is daft
so by 2014 they want to move people around the city safely?
keep them out the east end then!!
and sort out the opening hours, 6pm on a sunday is daft
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 11:40am Fri 12 Oct 07
no chance of being finished for the commonwealth games i'm afraid!
there's a wee job in london called crossrail which will undoubtedly tie up all design/construction resources for the next several years.
no chance of being finished for the commonwealth games i'm afraid!
there's a wee job in london called crossrail which will undoubtedly tie up all design/construction resources for the next several years.
Posted by: allan, brisbane queensland on 12:01pm Fri 12 Oct 07
its like a comic strip when one reads of those forever future plans for the subway here in queensland the variouse bodies will fight over who is going to foot the bill such as our fabulouse purpose built busways/some under ground and now our underground tunell to take thru traffic away from brisbane its all happening here not just talking about it
its like a comic strip when one reads of those forever future plans for the subway here in queensland the variouse bodies will fight over who is going to foot the bill such as our fabulouse purpose built busways/some under ground and now our underground tunell to take thru traffic away from brisbane its all happening here not just talking about it
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:20pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Bill Forbes, Cambuslang - isn't this your favourite topic at the moment - whats your take here ?
All I'd say is lets hope this is no more than a talking exercise, to pacify those who have complained, demanded and continually put this idea forwards.
Obviously this project is by no means a certainty, due to the paragraph stating:
[italic]"Consultants will spend the next 18 months looking at whether it is possible to use existing underground tunnels which have been unused since the Beeching rail cuts of the 1960s and at the exact cost of the operation."[/italic]
So, lets not hold our breath here! And wait to see what the findings are.
I'd very much like to see this expansion take place, but with proper joined up consultation of the public, and where they feel the stations would be best placed ?
Also, the massive cost is a huge factor.
And just a projection / prediction. So the final cost could be double that.
Ensuring we upgrade our existing subway stations first, and in the more immediate short term, would be a start.
And, even more importantly, the old fashioned ways of thinking of SPT, and it's management. Getting the subway staff to be far more flexible, and willing to work later, in line with pub closing times, and beyond.
this is optimistic talk, and is proof we're heading in the right direction. But, there is alot to be considered here, and our Council / Government are all too good at backing out of large scale projects when the going gets tough! So lets not count our chickens!
(Unless we're on the A82 - LOL ;)
Bill Forbes, Cambuslang - isn't this your favourite topic at the moment - whats your take here ?
All I'd say is lets hope this is no more than a talking exercise, to pacify those who have complained, demanded and continually put this idea forwards.
Obviously this project is by no means a certainty, due to the paragraph stating:
"Consultants will spend the next 18 months looking at whether it is possible to use existing underground tunnels which have been unused since the Beeching rail cuts of the 1960s and at the exact cost of the operation."
So, lets not hold our breath here! And wait to see what the findings are.
I'd very much like to see this expansion take place, but with proper joined up consultation of the public, and where they feel the stations would be best placed ?
Also, the massive cost is a huge factor.
And just a projection / prediction. So the final cost could be double that.
Ensuring we upgrade our existing subway stations first, and in the more immediate short term, would be a start.
And, even more importantly, the old fashioned ways of thinking of SPT, and it's management. Getting the subway staff to be far more flexible, and willing to work later, in line with pub closing times, and beyond.
this is optimistic talk, and is proof we're heading in the right direction. But, there is alot to be considered here, and our Council / Government are all too good at backing out of large scale projects when the going gets tough! So lets not count our chickens!
(Unless we're on the A82 - LOL ;)
Posted by: FrazBear, Glasgow on 12:39pm Fri 12 Oct 07
[quote][bold]john1[/bold] wrote:
It's ridiculous, a low level line already runs every ten minutes between Partick and SECC to Bridgton & Dalmarnock in the East. Why not extend the subway out to the south side and take some folk off the buses?[/quote] Couldn't agree more!
john1 wrote:
It's ridiculous, a low level line already runs every ten minutes between Partick and SECC to Bridgton & Dalmarnock in the East. Why not extend the subway out to the south side and take some folk off the buses?
Couldn't agree more!
Posted by: GET A LIFE, GLASGOW on 12:41pm Fri 12 Oct 07
It would be the best thing for Glasgow but why people power do you always always attack the staff. I read your views all the time and most time I agree but I also laugh.
Do you honestly think the staff have any say in the subway opening hours.Come on really. The reason why I can give these points across is that i felt the same way you felt, until I actually asked the staff.
If you read what the management say its to do with money not staff just saying no. Get your facts.
The staff who am served by work in two shifts everyday. 6 am -3pm and 3pm -12pm.
Staff have never been asked to work later so they really cant say no to something they have never been asked.
Oh and also, unlike every other city in the world Glasgow's drinkers dont go out to have a few they go out a get out of it. And I dont know if you realise there is 600 watts of lovely power on those tracks. They would need constant police at these station.
Again I agree with the extension but maybe instead of attacking staff think about it Really S.P.T is a big company do you honestly think the staff run it. Get a grip!!
It would be the best thing for Glasgow but why people power do you always always attack the staff. I read your views all the time and most time I agree but I also laugh.
Do you honestly think the staff have any say in the subway opening hours.Come on really. The reason why I can give these points across is that i felt the same way you felt, until I actually asked the staff.
If you read what the management say its to do with money not staff just saying no. Get your facts.
The staff who am served by work in two shifts everyday. 6 am -3pm and 3pm -12pm.
Staff have never been asked to work later so they really cant say no to something they have never been asked.
Oh and also, unlike every other city in the world Glasgow's drinkers dont go out to have a few they go out a get out of it. And I dont know if you realise there is 600 watts of lovely power on those tracks. They would need constant police at these station.
Again I agree with the extension but maybe instead of attacking staff think about it Really S.P.T is a big company do you honestly think the staff run it. Get a grip!!
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:22pm Fri 12 Oct 07
no the staff are to blame
i once had to get off the subway a stop early coz kelvinhall was closed. why?
the staff were at a wedding!
if we were to ask to close donw my work because of a wedding, we'd get laughed at
they are generally subborn and unfriendly, they throw your change at you (which is usually a pile of smash) and the terms "customer service" is lost on them
i'm not looking for a personal shopping experience, but some basic manners would be nice
i know i'm tarring them with the same brush, they're not all like that, but most of the ones i have enountered are
no the staff are to blame
i once had to get off the subway a stop early coz kelvinhall was closed. why?
the staff were at a wedding!
if we were to ask to close donw my work because of a wedding, we'd get laughed at
they are generally subborn and unfriendly, they throw your change at you (which is usually a pile of smash) and the terms "customer service" is lost on them
i'm not looking for a personal shopping experience, but some basic manners would be nice
i know i'm tarring them with the same brush, they're not all like that, but most of the ones i have enountered are
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 1:44pm Fri 12 Oct 07
yerauldda
aye we must wonder why so many related staff work within that organisation...hmm
could it be that the staff 'in-there already' realise it's a cushy number for the unskilled and so get there relo's in whenever the chance arises. thats unhealthy in any business/organisatio
n and as it's a closed shop union you can bet your uncle the shop steward will sort any problems out!
yerauldda
aye we must wonder why so many related staff work within that organisation...hmm
could it be that the staff 'in-there already' realise it's a cushy number for the unskilled and so get there relo's in whenever the chance arises. thats unhealthy in any business/organisatio
n and as it's a closed shop union you can bet your uncle the shop steward will sort any problems out!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:54pm Fri 12 Oct 07
I too speak to many staff members within the Subway, and I know for a fact that many staff do not want to work longer hours, and are in-flexible to change! They may have their reasons!
And - as yerauldda says, in some situations, the staff could all do with some basic skills in P.R. and their attitudes with the public.
Many act like they can't be bothered doing the job. And equally there are the ones who I speak to, and are friendly and more upbeat.
It is not a case of money being the only reason for the inflexibilities within SPT/ Glasgows Subway. It is management at SPT who cannot get their priorities right.
Expressing my views of the staff in the way I do, is not my idea of "attacking staff" - unlike some peoples more aggressive tones!
We've all seen the advertising on trains, and in subway stations. Just how much revenue does that bring in ?
And, there has to be plenty more scope for that to be used to aid the day to day running of the subway, if not the bigger picture of overhauling the existing inner/outer circles.
Whatever way you look at it, this is not about attacking each others views. Or being so ignorant. This is about everyone expressing their views, experiences, and thoughts equally. So - "GET A LIFE" - lets keep to the subject here, as when it gets personal that suggests people cannot be rational or clear headed, just rude and objectionable.
LEts see an overhaul of the subway, and expansion - by all means. But theres plenty that can be improved upon right now.
How about an interchangable ticket for low level trains and subways. Especially at Partick, and Buchanan Street, where they link up with the low level trains. Surely that is common sense, and the most basic of areas that could be worked upon right now - not 2 or 3 years from now!
At times I think some SPT Management don't even know the meaning of the word "technology" never mind how to spell it. Maybe "Dark Ages" is more suited to the era they live in!!!!!
Finally, once Bill Forbes has his say maybe this will get more topical and interesting, as I always find his views on the matter more informative. Bill - where are you ?
I too speak to many staff members within the Subway, and I know for a fact that many staff do not want to work longer hours, and are in-flexible to change! They may have their reasons!
And - as yerauldda says, in some situations, the staff could all do with some basic skills in P.R. and their attitudes with the public.
Many act like they can't be bothered doing the job. And equally there are the ones who I speak to, and are friendly and more upbeat.
It is not a case of money being the only reason for the inflexibilities within SPT/ Glasgows Subway. It is management at SPT who cannot get their priorities right.
Expressing my views of the staff in the way I do, is not my idea of "attacking staff" - unlike some peoples more aggressive tones!
We've all seen the advertising on trains, and in subway stations. Just how much revenue does that bring in ?
And, there has to be plenty more scope for that to be used to aid the day to day running of the subway, if not the bigger picture of overhauling the existing inner/outer circles.
Whatever way you look at it, this is not about attacking each others views. Or being so ignorant. This is about everyone expressing their views, experiences, and thoughts equally. So - "GET A LIFE" - lets keep to the subject here, as when it gets personal that suggests people cannot be rational or clear headed, just rude and objectionable.
LEts see an overhaul of the subway, and expansion - by all means. But theres plenty that can be improved upon right now.
How about an interchangable ticket for low level trains and subways. Especially at Partick, and Buchanan Street, where they link up with the low level trains. Surely that is common sense, and the most basic of areas that could be worked upon right now - not 2 or 3 years from now!
At times I think some SPT Management don't even know the meaning of the word "technology" never mind how to spell it. Maybe "Dark Ages" is more suited to the era they live in!!!!!
Finally, once Bill Forbes has his say maybe this will get more topical and interesting, as I always find his views on the matter more informative. Bill - where are you ?
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 2:11pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Stop talking, start building.
Stop talking, start building.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:31pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Aye - well Partick Stations in the process of being built - behind schedule,over budget,but getting there! Off and clean up yer breeks, Tarry!!!!
Aye - well Partick Stations in the process of being built - behind schedule,over budget,but getting there! Off and clean up yer breeks, Tarry!!!!
Posted by: food lover, west coast on 2:45pm Fri 12 Oct 07
If the disused tunnels have been maintained in good order in recent years, why is it going to take consultants 18 months to inspect them?
If the disused tunnels have been maintained in good order in recent years, why is it going to take consultants 18 months to inspect them?
Posted by: Grandpaw, Glasgow on 2:49pm Fri 12 Oct 07
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote:
so by 2014 they want to move people around the city safely? keep them out the east end then!! and sort out the opening hours, 6pm on a sunday is daft [/quote] Don't travel after 6pm!! Unless of course you like to listen to teenagers' foul language, watch drunks violating other passengers, and vandalising the train.
yerauldda wrote:
so by 2014 they want to move people around the city safely? keep them out the east end then!! and sort out the opening hours, 6pm on a sunday is daft
Don't travel after 6pm!! Unless of course you like to listen to teenagers' foul language, watch drunks violating other passengers, and vandalising the train.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 2:51pm Fri 12 Oct 07
There is absolutely no need to squander taxpayers money to expand the Subway. The existing local rail network is outstanding, far surpassing any other network outside London. In any case, though it wouldn't be unwelcome, these new stations would be highly dangerous at night (unless the Government start tackling violent crime seriously by 2014) and rarely used by eastenders - the quickest route into town from Parkhead, say, would still be by bus.
Also, this is just another rehash of an old story anyway.. must be a slow news day!
There is absolutely no need to squander taxpayers money to expand the Subway. The existing local rail network is outstanding, far surpassing any other network outside London. In any case, though it wouldn't be unwelcome, these new stations would be highly dangerous at night (unless the Government start tackling violent crime seriously by 2014) and rarely used by eastenders - the quickest route into town from Parkhead, say, would still be by bus.
Also, this is just another rehash of an old story anyway.. must be a slow news day!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:58pm Fri 12 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Grandpaw[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote: so by 2014 they want to move people around the city safely? keep them out the east end then!! and sort out the opening hours, 6pm on a sunday is daft [/quote] Don't travel after 6pm!! Unless of course you like to listen to teenagers' foul language, watch drunks violating other passengers, and vandalising the train.[/quote] Grandpaw,
Maybe this all stems from Glasgow being city Of Culture back in 1990! Alot has changed since then, but our idea of culture, and the rest of the world hasn't!
Our knife, guns, drink and drugs culture has continued. Maybe we should re-educate people on what real culture is!
Maybe Grandpaw your point highlights the need for better policing of the subway trains, even if it's at peak times, or times when there is higher levels of trouble.
The pilot scheme of having police on trains doesn't seem to of been continued! Maybe the police didn't want real work!
Grandpaw wrote:
yerauldda wrote: so by 2014 they want to move people around the city safely? keep them out the east end then!! and sort out the opening hours, 6pm on a sunday is daft
Don't travel after 6pm!! Unless of course you like to listen to teenagers' foul language, watch drunks violating other passengers, and vandalising the train.
Grandpaw,
Maybe this all stems from Glasgow being city Of Culture back in 1990! Alot has changed since then, but our idea of culture, and the rest of the world hasn't!
Our knife, guns, drink and drugs culture has continued. Maybe we should re-educate people on what real culture is!
Maybe Grandpaw your point highlights the need for better policing of the subway trains, even if it's at peak times, or times when there is higher levels of trouble.
The pilot scheme of having police on trains doesn't seem to of been continued! Maybe the police didn't want real work!
Posted by: WestEnder, Glasgow on 3:20pm Fri 12 Oct 07
This news should be celebrated as a small victory for common sense. The pervious proposal (published without scrutiny as all projects are by the evening times) would have been a wasted opportunity. It failed to serve areas that would use the service more, instead focussing entirely on the East end.
This new proposal, although small in its initial scale, is along the lines of Bill Forbes plan. This still expands the network to the east, but follows the Clyde including the city's major developments- the SECC (and BBC), Commonwealth Village/National Arena, Financial district, Glasgow Harbour etc.
As far as today's proposal goes there should be a station on the broomielaw. Hopefully after the games they will expand it along the lines of Mr Forbes' ideas. The next step for me would be to take it south to Shawlands etc
This news should be celebrated as a small victory for common sense. The pervious proposal (published without scrutiny as all projects are by the evening times) would have been a wasted opportunity. It failed to serve areas that would use the service more, instead focussing entirely on the East end.
This new proposal, although small in its initial scale, is along the lines of Bill Forbes plan. This still expands the network to the east, but follows the Clyde including the city's major developments- the SECC (and BBC), Commonwealth Village/National Arena, Financial district, Glasgow Harbour etc.
As far as today's proposal goes there should be a station on the broomielaw. Hopefully after the games they will expand it along the lines of Mr Forbes' ideas. The next step for me would be to take it south to Shawlands etc
Posted by: mcn, glasgow on 3:24pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Here's a radical idea, lets put a new subway/tram/maglev whatever they say running alongside either the A80 to cumbernauld, M8 towards paisley or the M77 to darnley mains as these are the routes that most of the commuters driving into glasgow everyday use. This might encourage some of us to give up our cars. As it is the east west axis seems to be the only one the council can think of.
Here's a radical idea, lets put a new subway/tram/maglev whatever they say running alongside either the A80 to cumbernauld, M8 towards paisley or the M77 to darnley mains as these are the routes that most of the commuters driving into glasgow everyday use. This might encourage some of us to give up our cars. As it is the east west axis seems to be the only one the council can think of.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 3:38pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Great thiking mcn,
But Glasgow City Council and it's Councillors, all have their heads way to far up their own ar*es to even contemplate such a radical move!
Would love a far more forward thinking and bold council to look at banning cars from the city centre, real investment in public transport, and yes . . . our toy-train Subway!
But, the years, if not decades all thes projects take, unfortunately makes the cost of them extortionate.
Lets just try to focus on the projects we're supposed to be completing:
1.Glasgow Airport Rail-link.
2.M74 Completion.
3. Electrifying the Glasgow - Edinburgh line ?
Sure theres others! Temporary amnesia has got the better of me!
Great thiking mcn,
But Glasgow City Council and it's Councillors, all have their heads way to far up their own ar*es to even contemplate such a radical move!
Would love a far more forward thinking and bold council to look at banning cars from the city centre, real investment in public transport, and yes . . . our toy-train Subway!
But, the years, if not decades all thes projects take, unfortunately makes the cost of them extortionate.
Lets just try to focus on the projects we're supposed to be completing:
1.Glasgow Airport Rail-link.
2.M74 Completion.
3. Electrifying the Glasgow - Edinburgh line ?
Sure theres others! Temporary amnesia has got the better of me!
Posted by: Subway User, Hillhead on 3:42pm Fri 12 Oct 07
So expanding the Subway to the East End is pointless, and instead it should be extended to Shawlands? As I have said before on these pages, there is a little thing called the Cathcart Circle. All that is needed is an upgrade and more frequent service on this route. To build a new line here would be a waste of money.
In nrelation to the staff, I usually find them pleasant and helpful. However, as in all things, people respond to the way they are treated. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen money thrown into the staff; people too busy talking on mobile phones to even tell the staff what ticket they want from their tenner; generally a lack of manners. It works both ways.
So expanding the Subway to the East End is pointless, and instead it should be extended to Shawlands? As I have said before on these pages, there is a little thing called the Cathcart Circle. All that is needed is an upgrade and more frequent service on this route. To build a new line here would be a waste of money.
In nrelation to the staff, I usually find them pleasant and helpful. However, as in all things, people respond to the way they are treated. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen money thrown into the staff; people too busy talking on mobile phones to even tell the staff what ticket they want from their tenner; generally a lack of manners. It works both ways.
Posted by: mcn, glasgow on 4:25pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Look at the map subway user, darnley mains is no where near shawlands. I was proposing a public transport route that runs alongside the existing motorways/trunk roads, and could perhaps entice people currently using them out of their cars. The cathcart circle serves a completely seperate population.
Look at the map subway user, darnley mains is no where near shawlands. I was proposing a public transport route that runs alongside the existing motorways/trunk roads, and could perhaps entice people currently using them out of their cars. The cathcart circle serves a completely seperate population.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 4:32pm Fri 12 Oct 07
i dont use the trains aroung glasgow but do use the underground. if there are usuable routes around the city, why no tidy up and mdernise the stations and trains and run them more often ie make it a bit more like the metro in Newcastle
i dont use the trains aroung glasgow but do use the underground. if there are usuable routes around the city, why no tidy up and mdernise the stations and trains and run them more often ie make it a bit more like the metro in Newcastle
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 4:33pm Fri 12 Oct 07
i dont use the trains aroung glasgow but do use the underground. if there are usuable routes around the city, why no tidy up and mdernise the stations and trains and run them more often ie make it a bit more like the metro in Newcastle
i dont use the trains aroung glasgow but do use the underground. if there are usuable routes around the city, why no tidy up and mdernise the stations and trains and run them more often ie make it a bit more like the metro in Newcastle
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 5:32pm Fri 12 Oct 07
why dont the railway lines get upgraded - service /facility and infrastructure wise instead of wasting money on the kid on underground system. The whole point that the underground works is that it is small. A cross transport ticket would work better and SPT slapping first down a bit and sorting out ticket prices and routes!
why dont the railway lines get upgraded - service /facility and infrastructure wise instead of wasting money on the kid on underground system. The whole point that the underground works is that it is small. A cross transport ticket would work better and SPT slapping first down a bit and sorting out ticket prices and routes!
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 5:52pm Fri 12 Oct 07
I agree with this proposition in principle. BUT, it would be merely Stage A of something much bigger. Glasgow wants to see a Subway that goes south , East, West and possibly north (if viable).Obviously with the games they would have to start this parkjead proposal with in the next 2 years for it to be viable. but the priortiy for glaswegians is a Metropolitan line that would go through the south side through Shawlands, Giffnock, Newton Merns and going up to East Kilbride. This is the level of vision Glasegiabns are lokking for.
I agree with this proposition in principle. BUT, it would be merely Stage A of something much bigger. Glasgow wants to see a Subway that goes south , East, West and possibly north (if viable).Obviously with the games they would have to start this parkjead proposal with in the next 2 years for it to be viable. but the priortiy for glaswegians is a Metropolitan line that would go through the south side through Shawlands, Giffnock, Newton Merns and going up to East Kilbride. This is the level of vision Glasegiabns are lokking for.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 5:56pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Collectively Glaswegians will need to bully their MSP's and MP's and the SPT to get this running. We need money from the EU under a EU social fund payment to help subsidise the Glasgow Metropolitan subway. Secondly the subway wouldnt terminat at Parkhead. Keep the machines tunnelling through to creat a new line to cover more areas, or tunnel through the south side.
Collectively Glaswegians will need to bully their MSP's and MP's and the SPT to get this running. We need money from the EU under a EU social fund payment to help subsidise the Glasgow Metropolitan subway. Secondly the subway wouldnt terminat at Parkhead. Keep the machines tunnelling through to creat a new line to cover more areas, or tunnel through the south side.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 5:56pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Another proposal that will go nowhere. Why does this paper write such a diatribe of ideas that are never going to happen?
Another proposal that will go nowhere. Why does this paper write such a diatribe of ideas that are never going to happen?
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 6:00pm Fri 12 Oct 07
meep, thats a priority anjd vision for soothsiders and the EK aliens, no-one else
as for going north?
who on gods green earth would want to go to the north side of the city?
i got lost there at 3am a few weeks ago, and you cant even buy fags
meep, thats a priority anjd vision for soothsiders and the EK aliens, no-one else
as for going north?
who on gods green earth would want to go to the north side of the city?
i got lost there at 3am a few weeks ago, and you cant even buy fags
Posted by: Foxy, This Planet on 6:42pm Fri 12 Oct 07
What utter nonsense! £600M for an extension on the strength of a two week event. The Edinburgh Fringe festival sold more tickets in the year Manchester hosted the Commonwealth Games, No doubt if Glasgow gets the games, Edinburgh fringe will again attract more ticket
buyers. I doubt the SNP will allow such aspend given they have already knocked-back a direct Edinburgh Airport link. What's wrong with
using buses? Edinburgh managed when it hosted TWO Commonwealth games, why can't Glasgow?
What utter nonsense! £600M for an extension on the strength of a two week event. The Edinburgh Fringe festival sold more tickets in the year Manchester hosted the Commonwealth Games, No doubt if Glasgow gets the games, Edinburgh fringe will again attract more ticket
buyers. I doubt the SNP will allow such aspend given they have already knocked-back a direct Edinburgh Airport link. What's wrong with
using buses? Edinburgh managed when it hosted TWO Commonwealth games, why can't Glasgow?
Posted by: straight, glasgow on 6:42pm Fri 12 Oct 07
[quote][bold]john1[/bold] wrote:
It's ridiculous, a low level line already runs every ten minutes between Partick and SECC to Bridgton & Dalmarnock in the East. Why not extend the subway out to the south side and take some folk off the buses?[/quote] The low level is great.
Why duplicate it?
don't spend my hard earnd cash!(public money)
I have no confidence in the small time Charlie’s running things in this country.
john1 wrote:
It's ridiculous, a low level line already runs every ten minutes between Partick and SECC to Bridgton & Dalmarnock in the East. Why not extend the subway out to the south side and take some folk off the buses?
The low level is great.
Why duplicate it?
don't spend my hard earnd cash!(public money)
I have no confidence in the small time Charlie’s running things in this country.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 6:57pm Fri 12 Oct 07
all it needs to improve things like the cathcart circle and subway is to have travel information and times of next trains at street level. why did SPT feel the need to put the train time on the platform...you're there already and won't be going anywhere until the train turns up!
the subway needs to have the glass partitions, as at some london stations, on the plaforms to prevent falling on the lines if it's to run late nights - course that would mean computers controlling the system and oh wait a minute - that happens already!
the door openers - also know as drivers - would be excess baggage and could be deployed on platforms at operating stations with a stab vest and a tazer to ensure smooth running of later night operations.
all it needs to improve things like the cathcart circle and subway is to have travel information and times of next trains at street level. why did SPT feel the need to put the train time on the platform...you're there already and won't be going anywhere until the train turns up!
the subway needs to have the glass partitions, as at some london stations, on the plaforms to prevent falling on the lines if it's to run late nights - course that would mean computers controlling the system and oh wait a minute - that happens already!
the door openers - also know as drivers - would be excess baggage and could be deployed on platforms at operating stations with a stab vest and a tazer to ensure smooth running of later night operations.
Posted by: WeeT, Glasgow on 8:37pm Fri 12 Oct 07
If there are so many disused, but useable tunnels in Glasgow I have to ask...Why are disused tunnels being maintained and inspected and ready for immediate use? Why do they need a survey on these tunnels? Who foots the bill for checking unused tunnels..but why is it neccessary to check them frequently? why not use old lines e.g. the one passing Red Road Flats heading Eastwards, or such like? I dont understand the need or requirement to check tunnels which have been disused since the 60's.
If there are so many disused, but useable tunnels in Glasgow I have to ask...Why are disused tunnels being maintained and inspected and ready for immediate use? Why do they need a survey on these tunnels? Who foots the bill for checking unused tunnels..but why is it neccessary to check them frequently? why not use old lines e.g. the one passing Red Road Flats heading Eastwards, or such like? I dont understand the need or requirement to check tunnels which have been disused since the 60's.
Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 9:02pm Fri 12 Oct 07
All the comments apart,right or wrong,I have to agree with Foxy.Why now the big spend because of a third rate event in 2014?
Olympics,World Cup,Commonwealth Games?No 3.
Is the general public really up for this event?
Can the Evening Times let us know.
A proposal was put forward about 15-20 years ago for the re intoduction of trams in Glasgow.It was never followed up on.Our city is now gridlocked every day of the week and I feel that any money being spent should be to the benefit of every Glaswegian.This city deserves a first class traffic infrastructure but sadly is currently not recieving it and Im aware that there are currently railway stations at
High Street,Bridgton and Dalmarnock so why extend in that direction?
Glasgow has more to do with its money than spend on the Commonwealth Games or a new subway.
All the comments apart,right or wrong,I have to agree with Foxy.Why now the big spend because of a third rate event in 2014?
Olympics,World Cup,Commonwealth Games?No 3.
Is the general public really up for this event?
Can the Evening Times let us know.
A proposal was put forward about 15-20 years ago for the re intoduction of trams in Glasgow.It was never followed up on.Our city is now gridlocked every day of the week and I feel that any money being spent should be to the benefit of every Glaswegian.This city deserves a first class traffic infrastructure but sadly is currently not recieving it and Im aware that there are currently railway stations at
High Street,Bridgton and Dalmarnock so why extend in that direction?
Glasgow has more to do with its money than spend on the Commonwealth Games or a new subway.
Posted by: BigJack, Glasgow on 9:22pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Sounds excellent news and could be the start of a new Tram System in the Glasgow Area. I have also read today of proposals from Bill Forbes in Cambuslang, who being a consultant would stand to make lots of dosh from any proposals. That the syatem should also be proposed to go from Glasgow Harbour, to Ibrox, Renfew and Glasgow Airport. Chose you Destination people, but do remember where is the cash going to come from to pay for it and more importantly who is going to build it. There are many projects stacked up and already given cash, which will take priority for the resources.
J
Sounds excellent news and could be the start of a new Tram System in the Glasgow Area. I have also read today of proposals from Bill Forbes in Cambuslang, who being a consultant would stand to make lots of dosh from any proposals. That the syatem should also be proposed to go from Glasgow Harbour, to Ibrox, Renfew and Glasgow Airport. Chose you Destination people, but do remember where is the cash going to come from to pay for it and more importantly who is going to build it. There are many projects stacked up and already given cash, which will take priority for the resources.
J
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 9:24pm Fri 12 Oct 07
I disagree Bigal. We have to think 50 to 100 years into a future where there might not be any petrol or vehicles on the road. How would a city like glasgow function? The only way is for a Metropolitan subway system for glasgow and the west of Scotland. A Subway for the WHOLE of glasgow would be our gift to Glasgow's generations in a 100-150 years.
I disagree Bigal. We have to think 50 to 100 years into a future where there might not be any petrol or vehicles on the road. How would a city like glasgow function? The only way is for a Metropolitan subway system for glasgow and the west of Scotland. A Subway for the WHOLE of glasgow would be our gift to Glasgow's generations in a 100-150 years.
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 9:45pm Fri 12 Oct 07
If this project is not started until 2010, then I'm afraid it will not be anywhere near ready for 2014. Someone else had a good idea about extending near to, or along side motorways. Park & Ride sites could easily be created if that was the case. On visiting York recently, they have a superb Park & Ride system where there are 5 sites in different locations where fast, frequent buses run all day. Perhaps Glasgow City Council should pay a visit to York.
If this project is not started until 2010, then I'm afraid it will not be anywhere near ready for 2014. Someone else had a good idea about extending near to, or along side motorways. Park & Ride sites could easily be created if that was the case. On visiting York recently, they have a superb Park & Ride system where there are 5 sites in different locations where fast, frequent buses run all day. Perhaps Glasgow City Council should pay a visit to York.
Posted by: Bill Forbes, Cambuslang on 10:12pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Sorry to come in so late here, particularly if I was the man who made the SPT have their rethink.
Yes, I know there will be some out there who think “bid heid” but the facts speak for themselves. If I did not force this issue, the E.T. would not have had a front page today.
I have no problem with the new idea, using old tunnels might just work – my first reservation is we are looking to the Victorians to solve our 21st Century problem. These old tunnels were there for a reason (to get from one important place to another important place – THEN). I can’t see the new idea getting staff and patients to the Southern General; or to the Airport for their holidays; or to Braehead for their Christmas shopping, but maybe I have missed something.
Maybe, just maybe, the SPT know something I don’t. Perhaps there is an established travel pattern along these 100 year old routes that the rest of us don’t know about. The SPT top brass seem to think so.
Look, I’ll tell you what. Those of you who know me (I hope) know I am doing this on grounds of pure logic (backed up with some real knowledge of the travel patterns of the Glasgow people and visitors). I have my web site (www.subway2020.com) so I’ll put the new plans on the site and I’ll ask the new question –which one?
I think I have won Round One – the East End extension appears to have been scrapped despite it costing £90K in studies. We don’t know how much was spent on the new idea – I offer my own solution for testing. Take it on SPT! Try your best to make it not work.
Meanwhile the voices of the people will keep going – 1450 at the last count. We will get what we want by small measures – extending the operating hours first; upgrading Disabled Access second; bringing the existing route into the 21st Century third. Then we will work on the extension.
[bold]P.S.[/bold] A wee story – a young reporter from the E.T. interviewed me yesterday about my plans for the Subway – it was never going to reach the front page – why? I don’t spend enough on advertising.
Think about it.
[bold]www.subway2020.com[/bold]
Sorry to come in so late here, particularly if I was the man who made the SPT have their rethink.
Yes, I know there will be some out there who think “bid heid” but the facts speak for themselves. If I did not force this issue, the E.T. would not have had a front page today.
I have no problem with the new idea, using old tunnels might just work – my first reservation is we are looking to the Victorians to solve our 21st Century problem. These old tunnels were there for a reason (to get from one important place to another important place – THEN). I can’t see the new idea getting staff and patients to the Southern General; or to the Airport for their holidays; or to Braehead for their Christmas shopping, but maybe I have missed something.
Maybe, just maybe, the SPT know something I don’t. Perhaps there is an established travel pattern along these 100 year old routes that the rest of us don’t know about. The SPT top brass seem to think so.
Look, I’ll tell you what. Those of you who know me (I hope) know I am doing this on grounds of pure logic (backed up with some real knowledge of the travel patterns of the Glasgow people and visitors). I have my web site (www.subway2020.com) so I’ll put the new plans on the site and I’ll ask the new question –which one?
I think I have won Round One – the East End extension appears to have been scrapped despite it costing £90K in studies. We don’t know how much was spent on the new idea – I offer my own solution for testing. Take it on SPT! Try your best to make it not work.
Meanwhile the voices of the people will keep going – 1450 at the last count. We will get what we want by small measures – extending the operating hours first; upgrading Disabled Access second; bringing the existing route into the 21st Century third. Then we will work on the extension.
P.S. A wee story – a young reporter from the E.T. interviewed me yesterday about my plans for the Subway – it was never going to reach the front page – why? I don’t spend enough on advertising.
Think about it.
www.subway2020.com Posted by: Bill Forbes, Cambuslang on 10:29pm Fri 12 Oct 07
Again, just reviewing the posts- which show, if nothing else that Glaswegians support the Subway, but Big Jack – what is your problem if I make loads of dosh from any proposal? Do you not see a problem in paying £90K for a study (EAST END circle) which took 20 months to complete – was reported in March and is now in the bin?
By all means take a pop at me – I have earned nothing from all this; I have just spent a few grand of my own money to advertise my proposals (why should someone have to advertise their proposals when the public body who are paid and pensioned to do this are there?).
I’ll tell you BigJack – someone or maybe a load of someones in the SPT are not doing their job. What would you rather have –
I get paid for my ideas?
Or, they get paid for not having ideas?
[bold]
www.subway2020.com[/bold]
Again, just reviewing the posts- which show, if nothing else that Glaswegians support the Subway, but Big Jack – what is your problem if I make loads of dosh from any proposal? Do you not see a problem in paying £90K for a study (EAST END circle) which took 20 months to complete – was reported in March and is now in the bin?
By all means take a pop at me – I have earned nothing from all this; I have just spent a few grand of my own money to advertise my proposals (why should someone have to advertise their proposals when the public body who are paid and pensioned to do this are there?).
I’ll tell you BigJack – someone or maybe a load of someones in the SPT are not doing their job. What would you rather have –
I get paid for my ideas?
Or, they get paid for not having ideas?
www.subway2020.com Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:05am Sat 13 Oct 07
The late Mr Forbes has finally arrived! Delayed on the 111 year old toy - town Subway, when the inner / outer circle was suspended I presume ? LOL
100% behind you Bill, at least you put your money where your mouth is, which is more than their gas bag politicians do.
Their patter is like watter, and promises melt away like they were a momentary thought, with no real substance to begin with.
All I'll say is good luck with this project, and these ideas. Better doing something, rather than nothing. And as so few politicians seem to realise "Action Speaks Louder Than Words!"
The late Mr Forbes has finally arrived! Delayed on the 111 year old toy - town Subway, when the inner / outer circle was suspended I presume ? LOL
100% behind you Bill, at least you put your money where your mouth is, which is more than their gas bag politicians do.
Their patter is like watter, and promises melt away like they were a momentary thought, with no real substance to begin with.
All I'll say is good luck with this project, and these ideas. Better doing something, rather than nothing. And as so few politicians seem to realise "Action Speaks Louder Than Words!"
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:25am Sat 13 Oct 07
It seems a lot of people on here either don't like the East End geographically, or they don't like the people who live there, as to simply deny them the opportunity of public transport projects (if they ever get off the shelf)
Strangely enough, the line in question is for people who attend Celtic Park & The New National Indoor Sports arena, as it stands the bus service here, like most of the eastern and northern parts of the inner city, is poor and hence this is why we have buses which are almost like the way the trains were in New Delhi.
Doesn't help when buses don't adhere to their timetables, and as a result I am rather surprised that I haven't seen anybody re-inact Michael Douglas in scenes from his 90's movie "Falling Down", especially as services like the 45 from Springburn into the city on most weekday mornings rarely turn up between 8:05 & 8:30 in the morning, so I guess First, or Farce has been attributing to the levels of unemployment in Glasgow as they have made many people late for work on a continual basis, so no wonder car ownership is increasing!
It seems a lot of people on here either don't like the East End geographically, or they don't like the people who live there, as to simply deny them the opportunity of public transport projects (if they ever get off the shelf)
Strangely enough, the line in question is for people who attend Celtic Park & The New National Indoor Sports arena, as it stands the bus service here, like most of the eastern and northern parts of the inner city, is poor and hence this is why we have buses which are almost like the way the trains were in New Delhi.
Doesn't help when buses don't adhere to their timetables, and as a result I am rather surprised that I haven't seen anybody re-inact Michael Douglas in scenes from his 90's movie "Falling Down", especially as services like the 45 from Springburn into the city on most weekday mornings rarely turn up between 8:05 & 8:30 in the morning, so I guess First, or Farce has been attributing to the levels of unemployment in Glasgow as they have made many people late for work on a continual basis, so no wonder car ownership is increasing!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:26am Sat 13 Oct 07
It seems a lot of people on here either don't like the East End geographically, or they don't like the people who live there, as to simply deny them the opportunity of public transport projects (if they ever get off the shelf)
Strangely enough, the line in question is for people who attend Celtic Park & The New National Indoor Sports arena, as it stands the bus service here, like most of the eastern and northern parts of the inner city, is poor and hence this is why we have buses which are almost like the way the trains were in New Delhi.
Doesn't help when buses don't adhere to their timetables, and as a result I am rather surprised that I haven't seen anybody re-inact Michael Douglas in scenes from his 90's movie "Falling Down", especially as services like the 45 from Springburn into the city on most weekday mornings rarely turn up between 8:05 & 8:30 in the morning, so I guess First, or Farce has been attributing to the levels of unemployment in Glasgow as they have made many people late for work on a continual basis, so no wonder car ownership is increasing!
It seems a lot of people on here either don't like the East End geographically, or they don't like the people who live there, as to simply deny them the opportunity of public transport projects (if they ever get off the shelf)
Strangely enough, the line in question is for people who attend Celtic Park & The New National Indoor Sports arena, as it stands the bus service here, like most of the eastern and northern parts of the inner city, is poor and hence this is why we have buses which are almost like the way the trains were in New Delhi.
Doesn't help when buses don't adhere to their timetables, and as a result I am rather surprised that I haven't seen anybody re-inact Michael Douglas in scenes from his 90's movie "Falling Down", especially as services like the 45 from Springburn into the city on most weekday mornings rarely turn up between 8:05 & 8:30 in the morning, so I guess First, or Farce has been attributing to the levels of unemployment in Glasgow as they have made many people late for work on a continual basis, so no wonder car ownership is increasing!
Posted by: BigJack, Glasgow on 8:36pm Sat 13 Oct 07
Quite frankly BillForbes, I would sell of the Subway to the highest bidder who may just come up withs ome better ideas.
Any money spent by the SPT comes out of the revnue which is made from anmongst other things the Subway. And you womdder why their fares are so high.
Last time I checked there was a perfectly ggod heavy rail service from the City and its suburbs to Bridgeton, which I think may just be not too far from Parkhead. If your daft enough you get the bus.
J
Quite frankly BillForbes, I would sell of the Subway to the highest bidder who may just come up withs ome better ideas.
Any money spent by the SPT comes out of the revnue which is made from anmongst other things the Subway. And you womdder why their fares are so high.
Last time I checked there was a perfectly ggod heavy rail service from the City and its suburbs to Bridgeton, which I think may just be not too far from Parkhead. If your daft enough you get the bus.
J
Posted by: nobby garside, glasgow on 10:30pm Sun 14 Oct 07
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ABOVE . I COULDNT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF !
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ABOVE . I COULDNT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF !
Posted by: DOUGLAS WEIR, Glasgow/London on 10:01am Mon 15 Oct 07
This seems like a wee bit of a daft proposal. As already mentioned, Glasgow is served by a perfectly good rail service. Is there any need for a new line that, by the looks of it, stops half way? Surely, with all the "regeneration" around Partick station it would make sence to stop the line there. Even so, why should it cost £2.3 [italic]billion[/italic] ?!?!
This seems like a wee bit of a daft proposal. As already mentioned, Glasgow is served by a perfectly good rail service. Is there any need for a new line that, by the looks of it, stops half way? Surely, with all the "regeneration" around Partick station it would make sence to stop the line there. Even so, why should it cost £2.3
billion ?!?!
Posted by: John Hamilton, Stirling on 10:32pm Mon 15 Oct 07
'Foxy, This Planet'...
...in reality Joe Curry, sad, bitter, narrow-minded, old-aged pensioner b@stard who absolutely *hates* Glasgow/the west of Scotland with a vengeance and who lives in Livingston (because he can't afford to live in his beloved EdinbURGH?) who feels the need to comment in his hated Glasgow's evening newspaper website:
Why don't you p!ss off and stick to what you know best, i.e. EdinBORE ?
By visiting the ET's website and posting sneering anti-Glasgow comments you will win no friends (despite Scotland's largest city being the uncontested friendliest city of all north of the border).
You want EdinbURGH to be the number one for *everything*. It aint gonna happen and you (deep down, but won't admit it) realise that status went to Glasgow many, many years ago...
Yes, I reside in Stirling, so what?
I recognise that Glasgow is our country's major city and I love the place. It's the focal point for over half of our country's population and it is Scotland's main city.
Every time you gatecrash any west of Scotland website (including the ET, Herald and Sunday Herald) you just prove how insecure and pathetic Edinburgh actually is.
Strictly Come Dancing (and everything else) comes to Glasgow because Glasgow is Scotland's major city and real capital.
Just stick to the Edinbore Evening News, 'Scotsman' and Scotland on Sunday (SOS - well named because it's desperate) and leave Glasgow and its people alone. You are trash and have a problem with our country's real capital (i.e. Glasgow). End of story.
'Foxy, This Planet'...
...in reality Joe Curry, sad, bitter, narrow-minded, old-aged pensioner b@stard who absolutely *hates* Glasgow/the west of Scotland with a vengeance and who lives in Livingston (because he can't afford to live in his beloved EdinbURGH?) who feels the need to comment in his hated Glasgow's evening newspaper website:
Why don't you p!ss off and stick to what you know best, i.e. EdinBORE ?
By visiting the ET's website and posting sneering anti-Glasgow comments you will win no friends (despite Scotland's largest city being the uncontested friendliest city of all north of the border).
You want EdinbURGH to be the number one for *everything*. It aint gonna happen and you (deep down, but won't admit it) realise that status went to Glasgow many, many years ago...
Yes, I reside in Stirling, so what?
I recognise that Glasgow is our country's major city and I love the place. It's the focal point for over half of our country's population and it is Scotland's main city.
Every time you gatecrash any west of Scotland website (including the ET, Herald and Sunday Herald) you just prove how insecure and pathetic Edinburgh actually is.
Strictly Come Dancing (and everything else) comes to Glasgow because Glasgow is Scotland's major city and real capital.
Just stick to the Edinbore Evening News, 'Scotsman' and Scotland on Sunday (SOS - well named because it's desperate) and leave Glasgow and its people alone. You are trash and have a problem with our country's real capital (i.e. Glasgow). End of story.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:38pm Fri 22 Feb 08
Green eyed monsta from east me thinks.They seem to forget Glasgow is a huge (largest in Scotland 4th in UK.And is a City with needs ALL year around, not just for a weeks during a festival!,Glasgow for bells,Lithgow for wells.falkirk for beans and peas,Edinburgh for sh__t and thieves.The Glasgow Subway still seems to be a sore point for Edinburgh folk,Trams dont come close ,Every City with ambition has Subway!End
Green eyed monsta from east me thinks.They seem to forget Glasgow is a huge (largest in Scotland 4th in UK.And is a City with needs ALL year around, not just for a weeks during a festival!,Glasgow for bells,Lithgow for wells.falkirk for beans and peas,Edinburgh for sh__t and thieves.The Glasgow Subway still seems to be a sore point for Edinburgh folk,Trams dont come close ,Every City with ambition has Subway!End
Posted by: ukrossco, Glasgow on 9:39am Thu 23 Oct 08
I love it... All you people harking on about perfectly good rail services should try taking the train sometime. I travel every week day from the South Side of Glasgow into central and I can tell you that the service is far from perfectly good with trains crammed full of disgruntled passengers who have been made to wait upwards of 50 minutes when train after train is cancelled and communication is so poor that the cancellations are only communicated after the service has failed to appear.
The train service is literally and metaphorically limping groaning under its current passenger load. It would be foolhardy to believe that the service would hold up under the additional strain that the Commonwealth Games will bring.
Alternative and mixed forms of transport are simply not an option - SPT and FirstGroup could never be savvy enough to organise a co-ordinated train / shuttle bus service that would actually get large numbers of people to the Commonwealth venues *on time*.
One only needs to look at the recent closure of the Cathcart line where Firstgroup offered alternative shuttle bus travel on a service that didn't integrate with any of the existing timetables at station pickup and drop off points meaning that a 10 minute journey time was extended to an hour. If the service had integrated, journey times could have been cut by between 25 and 30 minutes.
I really think Glasgow City Council, SPT and FirstGroup ought to seek advice externally. There is no point reinventing the wheel and I am more than sure that all these 'problems' have been solved by previous Commonwealth host cities. Clearly, however, this will never happen as Glasgow City Council manages to bumble its way from one failure to the next.
I love it... All you people harking on about perfectly good rail services should try taking the train sometime. I travel every week day from the South Side of Glasgow into central and I can tell you that the service is far from perfectly good with trains crammed full of disgruntled passengers who have been made to wait upwards of 50 minutes when train after train is cancelled and communication is so poor that the cancellations are only communicated after the service has failed to appear.
The train service is literally and metaphorically limping groaning under its current passenger load. It would be foolhardy to believe that the service would hold up under the additional strain that the Commonwealth Games will bring.
Alternative and mixed forms of transport are simply not an option - SPT and FirstGroup could never be savvy enough to organise a co-ordinated train / shuttle bus service that would actually get large numbers of people to the Commonwealth venues *on time*.
One only needs to look at the recent closure of the Cathcart line where Firstgroup offered alternative shuttle bus travel on a service that didn't integrate with any of the existing timetables at station pickup and drop off points meaning that a 10 minute journey time was extended to an hour. If the service had integrated, journey times could have been cut by between 25 and 30 minutes.
I really think Glasgow City Council, SPT and FirstGroup ought to seek advice externally. There is no point reinventing the wheel and I am more than sure that all these 'problems' have been solved by previous Commonwealth host cities. Clearly, however, this will never happen as Glasgow City Council manages to bumble its way from one failure to the next.
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