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Bouncer plan hit as 9000 fail to sign up
 
<h4>Timesfile:</h4><p><li>More than 100,000 doormen are employed by UK pubs and clubs.<br><li>The tough legislation comes in on November 1 but was first proposed in 2003. It brings Scotland in line with England and Wales. <br><li>Criminal record and identity checks are mandatory for anyone wanting to work as a doorman and they must undergo training. <br><li>It will be an offence to work in the security business without a licence

Timesfile:

  • More than 100,000 doormen are employed by UK pubs and clubs.
  • The tough legislation comes in on November 1 but was first proposed in 2003. It brings Scotland in line with England and Wales.
  • Criminal record and identity checks are mandatory for anyone wanting to work as a doorman and they must undergo training.
  • It will be an offence to work in the security business without a licence
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    by Graeme Murray

    MORE than half of Scotland's bouncers and security firms have failed to sign up to a licensing scheme that comes into force in a week.

    New rules introduced by regulatory body the Security Industry Authority will affect around 17,000 security and door staff in Scotland, including up to 7000 in the Glasgow area.

    But a week before the scheme, which is designed to get rid of rogue security workers, comes into force only 8000 have secured the licence they will need to do their job.

    It means up to 9000 workers could face fines of up to £5000 or six months in prison for not having the required paperwork.

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    Security Industry Authority bosses say the industry has known about the legislation, which is effective from next Thursday, for two years and people have had plenty of time to apply for a licence.

    A spokeswoman said: "There are always going to be those who think they do not need a licence, but there is no reason why they should not have one. No-one can say they did not know about it.

    "Our mantra has always been - be licensed and be legal."

    From next Thursday door supervisors, security guards, CCTV operators and bodyguards will all require a licence.

    The documents, which come with a photographic security badge and individual number, are approved and distributed by SIA, which manages licensing of the private security industry in the UK.

    They show the individual is properly trained, qualified and fit and proper for the role.

    Those requiring a licence should have applied by the beginning of September to ensure they received their badge.

    However, licensing experts believe there are a backlog of applications still being dealt that has been partly caused by the recent postal strike.

    Eddie Tobin, of Glasgow Nightclub Forum, said: "In recent weeks there has been an enormous number of applications, but they have not been processed.

    "The SIA said it would take four to six weeks to process, but that has been extended to eight.

    "You would be mad to to think everybody will have their badge by next week, but they should have applied for one.

    "I am sure there are some people who are ignoring the legislation, but that is a foolish thing to do."

    Publication date 25/10/07

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    INALS ...
    Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 12:59pm Thu 25 Oct 07
    THE CURRENT TREND IS EMPLOYING EX ARMY FORIEGN NATIONALS AS CASUAL LABOUR ...
    YOU DONT WANT TO MESS WITH THESE GUYS ...
    Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 4:51pm Thu 25 Oct 07
    I guess a lot of them arent applying for a licence because they will be refused. I know of a fair few bouncers who have done time, including one who, Im told, kicked a guy to death outside the club. Without a licence I assume theyll lose their jobs, but theyd lose them anyway once this info came out...
    Posted by: scoot, EK on 7:55pm Thu 25 Oct 07
    A lot of them aren't applying because a lot of them can't write in English, that's why they're bouncers.
    Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 8:42pm Thu 25 Oct 07
    Most of them can write, its whether they chose to read is the question. More laws brought in that wont be challenged by those who should enforce them. I'm off to McChuils in the High street just to prove a point: whatever!
    Posted by: badger22, glasgow on 11:10pm Thu 25 Oct 07
    The problem is that most of the guys who work the door think that because its a four day course there won't be a problem. They don't realise that the SIA can take up to 13 weeks to process an application after the candidate has completed the BII and City & Guilds course.
    Posted by: badger22, glasgow on 11:13pm Thu 25 Oct 07
    Its a dangerous and thankless job. I wonder how many of you guys putting them down would be prepared to put yourself in harms way to make sure other people had a safe and enjoyable experience in the pub or club.
    Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 8:03pm Fri 26 Oct 07
    Fair comment Badger22, I'll feel safe in any of your pubs or clubs. More of you...
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