Posted by: Nevyn, Glasgow on 11:48am Thu 8 Nov 07
Has commonsense peered its head above the parapit of Glasgow City Chambers whilst Steven Purcell is off in Sri Lanka?
The G1 proposals have been overwhelmingly rejected by local residents, all 4 local councillors, all Glasgow SNP, Lib Dem, Green and Tory MSPs and local MP Ann McKechin.
Let's hope that Cllr Ryan's colleagues follow his example and start listening to what the People want.
Has commonsense peered its head above the parapit of Glasgow City Chambers whilst Steven Purcell is off in Sri Lanka?
The G1 proposals have been overwhelmingly rejected by local residents, all 4 local councillors, all Glasgow SNP, Lib Dem, Green and Tory MSPs and local MP Ann McKechin.
Let's hope that Cllr Ryan's colleagues follow his example and start listening to what the People want.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 12:16pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Profit-share proposal: As if it would make naw profit. By the time Mr King's in-house design and contruction team get their hands on the site it will probably be a non-starter in terms of profit. Perish the thought of the Botanics attracting more visitors, even those from the Garngad might pay the place a visit.
Whats preventing GCC and LLP building their own cafe/club venue.
Profit-share proposal: As if it would make naw profit. By the time Mr King's in-house design and contruction team get their hands on the site it will probably be a non-starter in terms of profit. Perish the thought of the Botanics attracting more visitors, even those from the Garngad might pay the place a visit.
Whats preventing GCC and LLP building their own cafe/club venue.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 12:53pm Thu 8 Nov 07
GCC don't build anything anymore. It's all farmed out to private companies (they need our council tax to pay for the commonwealth games!! another disaster in the making)
Why is a lease given out before planning permission is granted?
Also, why is La Purcell away in Sri Lanka all week? Is it true over 40 council officals are over there? Who is paying for this junket?
Answers on a postcard please.
GCC don't build anything anymore. It's all farmed out to private companies (they need our council tax to pay for the commonwealth games!! another disaster in the making)
Why is a lease given out before planning permission is granted?
Also, why is La Purcell away in Sri Lanka all week? Is it true over 40 council officals are over there? Who is paying for this junket?
Answers on a postcard please.
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 1:26pm Thu 8 Nov 07
I remain unconvinced by the arguments against King's involvement. He is prepared to spend the cash and the impact on the Botanics itself sounds minimal. I am not saying this is definitely the case but I am not aware of any other proposals (although actually using it as a station and re-opening some of these old lines would be far preferable).
Are there any other (viable) proposals to regenerate this neglected site?
I remain unconvinced by the arguments against King's involvement. He is prepared to spend the cash and the impact on the Botanics itself sounds minimal. I am not saying this is definitely the case but I am not aware of any other proposals (although actually using it as a station and re-opening some of these old lines would be far preferable).
Are there any other (viable) proposals to regenerate this neglected site?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:04pm Thu 8 Nov 07
[quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote:
I remain unconvinced by the arguments against King's involvement. He is prepared to spend the cash and the impact on the Botanics itself sounds minimal. I am not saying this is definitely the case but I am not aware of any other proposals (although actually using it as a station and re-opening some of these old lines would be far preferable). Are there any other (viable) proposals to regenerate this neglected site?[/quote] Nope, it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down. To be honest, there's nothing else you could do for this site - A children's nursery perhaps? naa I don't think that would work.
Until transport bosses put the stuff back in operation that the extremely bright and well advanced Victoraian Engineers gave us, then we're stuck in a large bucket of cowpat I'm afraid!
Fanto wrote:
I remain unconvinced by the arguments against King's involvement. He is prepared to spend the cash and the impact on the Botanics itself sounds minimal. I am not saying this is definitely the case but I am not aware of any other proposals (although actually using it as a station and re-opening some of these old lines would be far preferable). Are there any other (viable) proposals to regenerate this neglected site?
Nope, it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down. To be honest, there's nothing else you could do for this site - A children's nursery perhaps? naa I don't think that would work.
Until transport bosses put the stuff back in operation that the extremely bright and well advanced Victoraian Engineers gave us, then we're stuck in a large bucket of cowpat I'm afraid!
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:06pm Thu 8 Nov 07
[quote]I remain unconvinced by the arguments against King's involvement. [bold]He is prepared to spend the cash and the impact on the Botanics itself sounds minimal[/bold] [/quote]
Whether King [bold]is[/bold] prepared to spend the cash is questionable imo. His argument has been all along that he needs the nightclub to make the development "viable". If that is the case, then what's the betting that building the nightclub will come first and the we will have another GPO style fiasco with Council making all kinds of empty threats in an attempt to get him to do what he promised to do.
The impact on the Botanics will [bold]not[/bold] be minimal, though the G! spin team trying to convince people that it will.
I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. Just wonder if the Council are having 2nd thoughts and are trying to back down while still saving face???
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I remain unconvinced by the arguments against King's involvement. He is prepared to spend the cash and the impact on the Botanics itself sounds minimal
Whether King
is prepared to spend the cash is questionable imo. His argument has been all along that he needs the nightclub to make the development "viable". If that is the case, then what's the betting that building the nightclub will come first and the we will have another GPO style fiasco with Council making all kinds of empty threats in an attempt to get him to do what he promised to do.
The impact on the Botanics will
not be minimal, though the G! spin team trying to convince people that it will.
I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. Just wonder if the Council are having 2nd thoughts and are trying to back down while still saving face???
http://westendfights
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Posted by: Ronnie Cee, West End on 7:37pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Once upon a time, a wise council used rate funds to build a restaurant **** night club in a beautiful part of their city. Once it was built and making profits, the residents of that fair city enjoyed the profits that were distributed to enhance the locality, enabling the whole city to prosper...oops, this is of course a fairy tale!
What really happened is the city got stuck with a leech-like organisation that kept ALL of the profits and lowered the tone of that beautiful part of the city.
Ah well, doesn't the fairy tail ending sound better? Pity it won't come true!
Once upon a time, a wise council used rate funds to build a restaurant **** night club in a beautiful part of their city. Once it was built and making profits, the residents of that fair city enjoyed the profits that were distributed to enhance the locality, enabling the whole city to prosper...oops, this is of course a fairy tale!
What really happened is the city got stuck with a leech-like organisation that kept ALL of the profits and lowered the tone of that beautiful part of the city.
Ah well, doesn't the fairy tail ending sound better? Pity it won't come true!
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 9:17pm Thu 8 Nov 07
No. This deal will not go ahead. Because when it does the amount of complaints to the Government Ombudsman to hold an enquiry into the governance of Glasgow district council will commence. This action itself will be unprecedented. But secondly arrogant King himself will not want this because all the attention from the security services and muckraking journalists following his money trail will [bold]really[/bold] spoil his time on his favourite golf course.
No. This deal will not go ahead. Because when it does the amount of complaints to the Government Ombudsman to hold an enquiry into the governance of Glasgow district council will commence. This action itself will be unprecedented. But secondly arrogant King himself will not want this because all the attention from the security services and muckraking journalists following his money trail will
really spoil his time on his favourite golf course.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 9:30pm Thu 8 Nov 07
common sense at the council, not likely more like the smell of fear. This is, and always has been a very shady deal and Glasgow CITY COUNCIL ARE SCARED OF BEING FOUND OUT.
£1000 pound a month lease, on a 99 year lease. who are they trying to kid, I rent a 1100 sq ft shop on the edge of the city centre, from these shysters on a 25 year and i pay more than that per month.
So this has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with the council having underestimated the public backlash
common sense at the council, not likely more like the smell of fear. This is, and always has been a very shady deal and Glasgow CITY COUNCIL ARE SCARED OF BEING FOUND OUT.
£1000 pound a month lease, on a 99 year lease. who are they trying to kid, I rent a 1100 sq ft shop on the edge of the city centre, from these shysters on a 25 year and i pay more than that per month.
So this has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with the council having underestimated the public backlash
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:21pm Thu 8 Nov 07
Interestingly enough - I learned tonight that there is to be a Meeting held for Residents, Associations and Other Groups, on the G1 Group Poroposal.
Thursday 15th November, at 8pm at the Hilton Glasgow Grosvenor Hotel.
Following the meeing on the 3rd October, (SOB) Save Our Botanics was set up, with the object of opposing the development by campaigning and supporting possible legal action aginst the council.
SOB is particuarly concerned to brng together as many groups as possible so that the oppsostion to the development can be co-ordinated, to avoid duplication of effort, and to ensure that the campaign is as strong as possible.
The meeting will be chaired by Anne Laird(Chair, Friends oof Glasgow West & Founding member of SOB). Speakers will include: Eric W Curtis ( former director of the Botanic Gardens, and author of "The Story Of Glasgow's Botanic Gardens"); Proffessor Keith Vickerman (Emeritus Regius Proffessor of Zoology, Institute of Biomedical and Life Sciences, University Of Glasgow.; Friends of the Botanic Gardens); and David J. Howat (Chair, SOB.) At the meeting we will explain the G1 Proposal in detail and the reasons for our opposition for it. set our how we are campaigning against it, and explain how you can help.
http://www.saveourbo
tanics.com
Interestingly enough - I learned tonight that there is to be a Meeting held for Residents, Associations and Other Groups, on the G1 Group Poroposal.
Thursday 15th November, at 8pm at the Hilton Glasgow Grosvenor Hotel.
Following the meeing on the 3rd October, (SOB) Save Our Botanics was set up, with the object of opposing the development by campaigning and supporting possible legal action aginst the council.
SOB is particuarly concerned to brng together as many groups as possible so that the oppsostion to the development can be co-ordinated, to avoid duplication of effort, and to ensure that the campaign is as strong as possible.
The meeting will be chaired by Anne Laird(Chair, Friends oof Glasgow West & Founding member of SOB). Speakers will include: Eric W Curtis ( former director of the Botanic Gardens, and author of "The Story Of Glasgow's Botanic Gardens"); Proffessor Keith Vickerman (Emeritus Regius Proffessor of Zoology, Institute of Biomedical and Life Sciences, University Of Glasgow.; Friends of the Botanic Gardens); and David J. Howat (Chair, SOB.) At the meeting we will explain the G1 Proposal in detail and the reasons for our opposition for it. set our how we are campaigning against it, and explain how you can help.
http://www.saveourbo
tanics.com
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:23pm Thu 8 Nov 07
N.B. excuse the spelling errors! Never was that good at typing!
N.B. excuse the spelling errors! Never was that good at typing!
Posted by: davidmcn, Glasgow on 11:52pm Thu 8 Nov 07
[italic]£1000 pound a month lease, on a 99 year lease. who are they trying to kid, I rent a 1100 sq ft shop on the edge of the city centre, from these shysters on a 25 year and i pay more than that per month.[/italic]
Yes, but you didn't have to build the shop first, did you? What G1 are planning to rent is the hole in the ground, not a fully-built nightclub.
£1000 pound a month lease, on a 99 year lease. who are they trying to kid, I rent a 1100 sq ft shop on the edge of the city centre, from these shysters on a 25 year and i pay more than that per month.
Yes, but you didn't have to build the shop first, did you? What G1 are planning to rent is the hole in the ground, not a fully-built nightclub.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:57pm Thu 8 Nov 07
well then davidmcn, even more reason to get your voice along to this meeting, and hear whats to be said. People Power in high enough numbers will win this battle.
well then davidmcn, even more reason to get your voice along to this meeting, and hear whats to be said. People Power in high enough numbers will win this battle.
Posted by: davidmcn, Glasgow on 12:01am Fri 9 Nov 07
[italic]it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down[/italic]
The station was closed in 1939 - well before Beeching's time. If it wasn't attracting enough passengers in the 1930s I can't see there being much of an argument for reopening it now.
There's also the small matter of flats having been built on the trackbed at Kirklee, so unless you want to knock those down, all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down
The station was closed in 1939 - well before Beeching's time. If it wasn't attracting enough passengers in the 1930s I can't see there being much of an argument for reopening it now.
There's also the small matter of flats having been built on the trackbed at Kirklee, so unless you want to knock those down, all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 9:20am Fri 9 Nov 07
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
well then davidmcn, even more reason to get your voice along to this meeting, and hear whats to be said. People Power in high enough numbers will win this battle. [/quote] My understanding is that this is [bold]not[/bold] a public meeting. On account of space it is "by invitation only" according to the website and is aimed at Residents Associations & other relevant groups who can send a maximum of two delegates.
People Power wrote:
well then davidmcn, even more reason to get your voice along to this meeting, and hear whats to be said. People Power in high enough numbers will win this battle.
My understanding is that this is
not a public meeting. On account of space it is "by invitation only" according to the website and is aimed at Residents Associations & other relevant groups who can send a maximum of two delegates.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 9:22am Fri 9 Nov 07
[quote]all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
[/quote]
The line also runs in the other direction i.e. in to the city centre.
all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
The line also runs in the other direction i.e. in to the city centre.
Posted by: Happychappy, glasgow on 5:02pm Fri 9 Nov 07
King burned his bridges with Glasgow when he abused the site he acquired in George Square. He let it go to ruin and made a profit on the sale, as well as a fortune allowing advertising which spoiled the area.
The council should have told him then that they would be wary of future dealings - but maybe someones pockets are jingling now?
King burned his bridges with Glasgow when he abused the site he acquired in George Square. He let it go to ruin and made a profit on the sale, as well as a fortune allowing advertising which spoiled the area.
The council should have told him then that they would be wary of future dealings - but maybe someones pockets are jingling now?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:46pm Sat 10 Nov 07
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote]all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother. [/quote] The line also runs in the other direction i.e. in to the city centre.[/quote] You'll find that is the same direction - the line runs the other way through Maryhill, Ruchill into a dead end at Stobhill Hospital - for older readers, you may remember this line operating in a loop which went by Red Road, down through Dennistoun and Parkhead, over London Road to join the line at Rutherglen.
Can't build on it now as our fantastic, and forwrd thinking council gave the land at Stobhill Hospital to housebuilders!
I'm trying hard not to laugh!
mulross wrote:
all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
The line also runs in the other direction i.e. in to the city centre.
You'll find that is the same direction - the line runs the other way through Maryhill, Ruchill into a dead end at Stobhill Hospital - for older readers, you may remember this line operating in a loop which went by Red Road, down through Dennistoun and Parkhead, over London Road to join the line at Rutherglen.
Can't build on it now as our fantastic, and forwrd thinking council gave the land at Stobhill Hospital to housebuilders!
I'm trying hard not to laugh!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:37pm Sat 10 Nov 07
[quote][bold]davidmcn[/bold] wrote:
[italic]it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down[/italic] The station was closed in 1939 - well before Beeching's time. If it wasn't attracting enough passengers in the 1930s I can't see there being much of an argument for reopening it now. There's also the small matter of flats having been built on the trackbed at Kirklee, so unless you want to knock those down, all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.[/quote] The line, not the station - the station's closure has been well documented over the years and I'm well aware when it closed, so haha for trying to be a smart arse
davidmcn wrote:
it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down The station was closed in 1939 - well before Beeching's time. If it wasn't attracting enough passengers in the 1930s I can't see there being much of an argument for reopening it now. There's also the small matter of flats having been built on the trackbed at Kirklee, so unless you want to knock those down, all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
The line, not the station - the station's closure has been well documented over the years and I'm well aware when it closed, so haha for trying to be a smart arse
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:49pm Sat 10 Nov 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]davidmcn[/bold] wrote: [italic]it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down[/italic] The station was closed in 1939 - well before Beeching's time. If it wasn't attracting enough passengers in the 1930s I can't see there being much of an argument for reopening it now. There's also the small matter of flats having been built on the trackbed at Kirklee, so unless you want to knock those down, all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.[/quote] The line, not the station - the station's closure has been well documented over the years and I'm well aware when it closed, so haha for trying to be a smart arse[/quote] And with regrds to your claim about Kirklee, us people who have no links or conections with the west end and all the trendies have no place in the west end, its almost like a private club, most who live there are up there own backsides and think Glasgow is them and nobody else, maybe if your super darlings at the council demolished the west end and turned it into the way the rest of Glasgow looks today, then maybe there wouldn't be so much moaning!
The Missing City wrote:
davidmcn wrote: it was built for a specific purpose and a **** by the name of Dr Beeching closed it down The station was closed in 1939 - well before Beeching's time. If it wasn't attracting enough passengers in the 1930s I can't see there being much of an argument for reopening it now. There's also the small matter of flats having been built on the trackbed at Kirklee, so unless you want to knock those down, all you'd be able to do is reopen the branch from the Botanics down to Exhibition Centre station - hardly worth the bother.
The line, not the station - the station's closure has been well documented over the years and I'm well aware when it closed, so haha for trying to be a smart arse
And with regrds to your claim about Kirklee, us people who have no links or conections with the west end and all the trendies have no place in the west end, its almost like a private club, most who live there are up there own backsides and think Glasgow is them and nobody else, maybe if your super darlings at the council demolished the west end and turned it into the way the rest of Glasgow looks today, then maybe there wouldn't be so much moaning!
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