Posted by: John Hamilton, Pacific Quay on 1:02pm Tue 20 Nov 07
Emm, instead of all this rubbish about pubs and clubs opeing in the ex-Botanic Gardens underground station how about re-opening this prime asset beneath the streets of the West End as a RAILWAY??!! Duh!
Cities all over the world are building expensive new lines underground and yet we have prime assets, already dug/built all over the city which are awaiting a decent city council and a non-useless transport authority (SPT, Such Pathetic Transport)to start running Glasgow and its transport system properly.
A re-opened line from Maryhill* via Botanic Gardens, Kelvinbridge (interchange with Subway), Exhibition Centre, Central low-level, Glasgow Cross (interchange with Crossrail, when it arrives), Bridgeton (old platforms next to current station re-opened), Parkhead (for 2014 Games) and on to Whifflet makes perfect sense.
Only in Glasgow, under its current city administration and with a non-effective/pointl
ess SPT not doing anything (at great expense) could this situation happen.
Even the compact city of Geneva, which I've just returned from, is building a new underground line connecting two mainline stations.
Why can't we function as a city the way we used to do, when the original railway lines were built? Then there was a can-do attitude which enabled Glasgow to grow to a huge size. Now we don't seem to be able to do anything worthwhile.
It's really pathetic.
* Tesco plan to fill in the space long reserved underneath Maryhill Shopping Centre for a station - how stupid and short-sighted is that? And you can bet GCC will let it happen. The problem with new housing at Kirklee could be overcome, same with the connection to the Argyle Line at Exhibition Centre station.
Emm, instead of all this rubbish about pubs and clubs opeing in the ex-Botanic Gardens underground station how about re-opening this prime asset beneath the streets of the West End as a RAILWAY??!! Duh!
Cities all over the world are building expensive new lines underground and yet we have prime assets, already dug/built all over the city which are awaiting a decent city council and a non-useless transport authority (SPT, Such Pathetic Transport)to start running Glasgow and its transport system properly.
A re-opened line from Maryhill* via Botanic Gardens, Kelvinbridge (interchange with Subway), Exhibition Centre, Central low-level, Glasgow Cross (interchange with Crossrail, when it arrives), Bridgeton (old platforms next to current station re-opened), Parkhead (for 2014 Games) and on to Whifflet makes perfect sense.
Only in Glasgow, under its current city administration and with a non-effective/pointl
ess SPT not doing anything (at great expense) could this situation happen.
Even the compact city of Geneva, which I've just returned from, is building a new underground line connecting two mainline stations.
Why can't we function as a city the way we used to do, when the original railway lines were built? Then there was a can-do attitude which enabled Glasgow to grow to a huge size. Now we don't seem to be able to do anything worthwhile.
It's really pathetic.
* Tesco plan to fill in the space long reserved underneath Maryhill Shopping Centre for a station - how stupid and short-sighted is that? And you can bet GCC will let it happen. The problem with new housing at Kirklee could be overcome, same with the connection to the Argyle Line at Exhibition Centre station.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:09pm Tue 20 Nov 07
The place is full of mentally backward pen pushers in suits. However, with this law on the Botanics being used to block KIng not so Cool, then how has it not come into force for other parks and public spaces that have been sold off or built upon?
The place is full of mentally backward pen pushers in suits. However, with this law on the Botanics being used to block KIng not so Cool, then how has it not come into force for other parks and public spaces that have been sold off or built upon?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:13pm Tue 20 Nov 07
The above is probably a major contributor as to why over 500,000 have been effectively removed or forced out of Glasgow. Any more people move out and Edinburgh will have a bigger population than us - that cannot happen!
The above is probably a major contributor as to why over 500,000 have been effectively removed or forced out of Glasgow. Any more people move out and Edinburgh will have a bigger population than us - that cannot happen!
Posted by: morris holms, moral high ground on 1:42pm Tue 20 Nov 07
Cooncillors backing down ......oh deary deary me . I hope people keep digging ,remember the names of the cooncillors and watch for the next "deal"they are involved in .This could be a victory for people power or another example of cooncillors bottling it when they are... well you know .
Cooncillors backing down ......oh deary deary me . I hope people keep digging ,remember the names of the cooncillors and watch for the next "deal"they are involved in .This could be a victory for people power or another example of cooncillors bottling it when they are... well you know .
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 1:46pm Tue 20 Nov 07
GCC are selling of OUR Glasgow wholesale. If the campaigners against the Botanics are dig up old laws which look to be on their side, good for them. We are becoming a dull, marginalised city. What a shame.
It would be far better of the council and Scottish Government to put into a place a decent public transport structure in Glasgow and not that shambles that exists at present.
GCC are selling of OUR Glasgow wholesale. If the campaigners against the Botanics are dig up old laws which look to be on their side, good for them. We are becoming a dull, marginalised city. What a shame.
It would be far better of the council and Scottish Government to put into a place a decent public transport structure in Glasgow and not that shambles that exists at present.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:35pm Tue 20 Nov 07
All this comes back to GCC failing to see and listen to the wishes of the silent majority - being made increasingly silent by the joke we call democracy in this country.
We must do more to see that we attend our Councillors MSP's and MP's surgeries - to speak out for what we feel strongly about, and get answwers to what we have a right to know, through F.O.I. which is something we must use more.
Community Councils are a classic example here of bodies who can raise objections on behalf of their Community.
The Community Council Resource Centre is doing all it can to make it more difficult for Community Councils to have the joined up power they need to fight off in this case: Stefan King's proposal for our Botanic Gardens.
Surely it is very ironic that Community Councils that are supposed to be representative bodies are themselves being supposedly empowered, and continued as a statutory requirement for Communities.
Yet, at the same time they are disempowered, and prevented from accessing enough funding, information, ability to join up together and support to ensure ordinary people are represented.
As for the old railway lines, as with the botanics, due to part of the line being built over, the chance of re - instating it in its entirety is pretty near impossible.
Expecting common sense from any of our Politicians or Councillors alike, is like expecting our entrepreneurs to just fade away into oblivion. It will never happen!
But - this latest development regarding "common good" as grounds for a challenge to GCC should be taken as good news, although dubiously.
People who object to this Botanics proposal have many options, but procrastinating, or sitting on the fence is no better than our City Councillors.
Finding out the grounds for, and details of how to send letters of objection to GCC is essential to beat off this development.
As, ultimately with another late opening venue, and Licensee whoever it happens to be, the problem with over consumption of alcohol - and it's impact on Police and the NHS will not go away.
All this comes back to GCC failing to see and listen to the wishes of the silent majority - being made increasingly silent by the joke we call democracy in this country.
We must do more to see that we attend our Councillors MSP's and MP's surgeries - to speak out for what we feel strongly about, and get answwers to what we have a right to know, through F.O.I. which is something we must use more.
Community Councils are a classic example here of bodies who can raise objections on behalf of their Community.
The Community Council Resource Centre is doing all it can to make it more difficult for Community Councils to have the joined up power they need to fight off in this case: Stefan King's proposal for our Botanic Gardens.
Surely it is very ironic that Community Councils that are supposed to be representative bodies are themselves being supposedly empowered, and continued as a statutory requirement for Communities.
Yet, at the same time they are disempowered, and prevented from accessing enough funding, information, ability to join up together and support to ensure ordinary people are represented.
As for the old railway lines, as with the botanics, due to part of the line being built over, the chance of re - instating it in its entirety is pretty near impossible.
Expecting common sense from any of our Politicians or Councillors alike, is like expecting our entrepreneurs to just fade away into oblivion. It will never happen!
But - this latest development regarding "common good" as grounds for a challenge to GCC should be taken as good news, although dubiously.
People who object to this Botanics proposal have many options, but procrastinating, or sitting on the fence is no better than our City Councillors.
Finding out the grounds for, and details of how to send letters of objection to GCC is essential to beat off this development.
As, ultimately with another late opening venue, and Licensee whoever it happens to be, the problem with over consumption of alcohol - and it's impact on Police and the NHS will not go away.
Posted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 4:40pm Tue 20 Nov 07
I want to comment on this evening times story - http://www.eveningti
mes.co.uk/news/displ
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hp regarding [bold]DR Jeannete Findlay[/bold] of the Celtic Trust, claiming that singing IRA songs at Celtic games are acceptable. I wonder what the view of her employer, Glasgow University, is on this? I have just written to "Nil by Mouth" regarding the issue, and been given some bland response - basically, they're saying nothing. Check out the story on this site. Unfortunately, the Evening Times don't want us to comment on it.
I want to comment on this evening times story - http://www.eveningti
mes.co.uk/news/displ
ay.var.1846187.0.0.p
hp regarding
DR Jeannete Findlay of the Celtic Trust, claiming that singing IRA songs at Celtic games are acceptable. I wonder what the view of her employer, Glasgow University, is on this? I have just written to "Nil by Mouth" regarding the issue, and been given some bland response - basically, they're saying nothing. Check out the story on this site. Unfortunately, the Evening Times don't want us to comment on it.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:48pm Tue 20 Nov 07
How do you know what the "wishes of the silent majority" are, PeoplePower? You know what's best? Just as well you're not in power...
What part of the railway line has been built over? Some of it is now park/walkway along the Kelvin - no doubt people would object to losing that too.
How do you know what the "wishes of the silent majority" are, PeoplePower? You know what's best? Just as well you're not in power...
What part of the railway line has been built over? Some of it is now park/walkway along the Kelvin - no doubt people would object to losing that too.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:26pm Tue 20 Nov 07
Brad,
This is not about who is in power or not - this is about the curent situation as it stands and the facts as they stand.
Those who have turned out previously to the Boydd Orr Building to object to this ludicrous proposal of Stefan Kings speak for themselves.
In fact if I'm not mistaken over 100 were turned away at the initial meeting in Hillhead Library says alot about the depth of feeling in the area.
The problem we have here - is that too few people are confident with, are believers of, have time for - or are interested enough in using the Planning Process to object formerly to developments like this.
Whatever position people stand in - for or against this development - democracy and accountability, transparency and a fair process that gives people the right to object in a simple and uncomplicated way to raise their concerns, or objections is the key.
And thanks for the vote of confidence, but to be honest - I think anyone who wishes to be a politician in this current climate needs their head examined.
As towing the Party lines means Politicians rarely get the opportunity to express their personal views, or rarely to speak honestly, or truthfully on matters like this.
As things stand the main parties SNP and New Labour seem to have such similar failings, unkept promises, or policies/agenda's that it is of deep concern to me.
Our freedom of speech is being gradually eroded, and our ability to have any influence as individuals or groups objecting to Proposals is becoming more farcical.
Brad,
This is not about who is in power or not - this is about the curent situation as it stands and the facts as they stand.
Those who have turned out previously to the Boydd Orr Building to object to this ludicrous proposal of Stefan Kings speak for themselves.
In fact if I'm not mistaken over 100 were turned away at the initial meeting in Hillhead Library says alot about the depth of feeling in the area.
The problem we have here - is that too few people are confident with, are believers of, have time for - or are interested enough in using the Planning Process to object formerly to developments like this.
Whatever position people stand in - for or against this development - democracy and accountability, transparency and a fair process that gives people the right to object in a simple and uncomplicated way to raise their concerns, or objections is the key.
And thanks for the vote of confidence, but to be honest - I think anyone who wishes to be a politician in this current climate needs their head examined.
As towing the Party lines means Politicians rarely get the opportunity to express their personal views, or rarely to speak honestly, or truthfully on matters like this.
As things stand the main parties SNP and New Labour seem to have such similar failings, unkept promises, or policies/agenda's that it is of deep concern to me.
Our freedom of speech is being gradually eroded, and our ability to have any influence as individuals or groups objecting to Proposals is becoming more farcical.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 9:55pm Tue 20 Nov 07
Like i said in a previous post i make the prediction that Glasgow Council will be refered to the Government Ombudsman through their inability to run and govern the council openly and democratically. The decision to allow Stefan King to take viable important land away from the city & people for personal benefit/profit is reason enough for the Government Ombudsman to be involved in this.
Like i said in a previous post i make the prediction that Glasgow Council will be refered to the Government Ombudsman through their inability to run and govern the council openly and democratically. The decision to allow Stefan King to take viable important land away from the city & people for personal benefit/profit is reason enough for the Government Ombudsman to be involved in this.
Posted by: phatlady69, Hartford on 3:17am Wed 21 Nov 07
Are there any bbw clubs in Glasgow city? I want to join those clubs with many of my friends on pluscupid.com.
Are there any bbw clubs in Glasgow city? I want to join those clubs with many of my friends on pluscupid.com.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:25am Wed 21 Nov 07
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
How do you know what the "wishes of the silent majority" are, PeoplePower? You know what's best? Just as well you're not in power... What part of the railway line has been built over? Some of it is now park/walkway along the Kelvin - no doubt people would object to losing that too.[/quote] You seem to think you can bully anybody with your tripe - you are a W*nk
Brad wrote:
How do you know what the "wishes of the silent majority" are, PeoplePower? You know what's best? Just as well you're not in power... What part of the railway line has been built over? Some of it is now park/walkway along the Kelvin - no doubt people would object to losing that too.
You seem to think you can bully anybody with your tripe - you are a W*nk
Posted by: N.S.00, Glasgow on 12:21pm Wed 21 Nov 07
HAHAHAHAHA I HOPE THE WHOLE THING GETS SCRAPPED.... A GREAT BIG KICK IN THE TEETH FOR THAT SHOWER OF PLUMS GLASGOW CITY COUNCIL !!!!!
OFFERING 99 YEAR LEASES TO FATCATS AGAINST PUBLIC LAND ..... ABSOLUTE JOKE .... GET THEM OUT !!! WASTE OF AIR THE LOT OF THEM !!!!
HAHAHAHAHA I HOPE THE WHOLE THING GETS SCRAPPED.... A GREAT BIG KICK IN THE TEETH FOR THAT SHOWER OF PLUMS GLASGOW CITY COUNCIL !!!!!
OFFERING 99 YEAR LEASES TO FATCATS AGAINST PUBLIC LAND ..... ABSOLUTE JOKE .... GET THEM OUT !!! WASTE OF AIR THE LOT OF THEM !!!!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:51pm Wed 21 Nov 07
This whole issue is heating up, like the air that emits from councillors mouths! It wil be egg on the face of these Councillors who allowed this to go ahead - despite the feeling of those who use the Botanics, and live in the area affected. Give us - the electorate and public more say - or we'll simply be forced to vote out these loony politicians at the next election.
This whole issue is heating up, like the air that emits from councillors mouths! It wil be egg on the face of these Councillors who allowed this to go ahead - despite the feeling of those who use the Botanics, and live in the area affected. Give us - the electorate and public more say - or we'll simply be forced to vote out these loony politicians at the next election.
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 2:15pm Wed 21 Nov 07
"silent majority", "loony politicians".
You'll be telling us "it's political correctness gone mad next"!
Are you Alan Partridge in disguise?
Honestly, this country ......
"silent majority", "loony politicians".
You'll be telling us "it's political correctness gone mad next"!
Are you Alan Partridge in disguise?
Honestly, this country ......
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 2:22pm Wed 21 Nov 07
"silent majority", "loony politicians".
You'll be telling us "it's political correctness gone mad next"!
Are you Alan Partridge in disguise?
Honestly, this country ......
"silent majority", "loony politicians".
You'll be telling us "it's political correctness gone mad next"!
Are you Alan Partridge in disguise?
Honestly, this country ......
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:15pm Wed 21 Nov 07
[quote][bold]phatlady69[/bold] wrote:
Are there any bbw clubs in Glasgow city? I want to join those clubs with many of my friends on pluscupid.com.[/quote] This is a totally out of the blue comment that has no relation to the story at hand, of course the lady is looking for some fun in our home town - maybe she should write to the man and ask his G1 mob to open up a club for her and her friends!
phatlady69 wrote:
Are there any bbw clubs in Glasgow city? I want to join those clubs with many of my friends on pluscupid.com.
This is a totally out of the blue comment that has no relation to the story at hand, of course the lady is looking for some fun in our home town - maybe she should write to the man and ask his G1 mob to open up a club for her and her friends!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:49am Thu 22 Nov 07
[quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote:
"silent majority", "loony politicians". You'll be telling us "it's political correctness gone mad next"! Are you Alan Partridge in disguise? Honestly, this country ...... [/quote] Shifting away from the topic in question are we not - some people may opt for the deluded notion that our corrupted political system works for the people, and is fully representative.
Personally, I prefer to fight for the rights of ordinary people, and ensure that information people have a right to under freedom of information (F.O.I.) is not taken a away through looney legislation passed at the convenience of our politicians.
Too many of our politicians like to think they are above the law, just because they are the ones who devise new legislation. brown envelope syndrome is becoming ever more apparent, as planning applications are passed way to easily.
This is simply about ensuring that the voices of the people opposed to this are heard, listened to acted on, and acknowledged as they should be by the Planning Department - should they opt to object formerly, in writing.
Transparency and honesty exists sadly in a minority of our politicians and councillors today.
Fanto wrote:
"silent majority", "loony politicians". You'll be telling us "it's political correctness gone mad next"! Are you Alan Partridge in disguise? Honestly, this country ......
Shifting away from the topic in question are we not - some people may opt for the deluded notion that our corrupted political system works for the people, and is fully representative.
Personally, I prefer to fight for the rights of ordinary people, and ensure that information people have a right to under freedom of information (F.O.I.) is not taken a away through looney legislation passed at the convenience of our politicians.
Too many of our politicians like to think they are above the law, just because they are the ones who devise new legislation. brown envelope syndrome is becoming ever more apparent, as planning applications are passed way to easily.
This is simply about ensuring that the voices of the people opposed to this are heard, listened to acted on, and acknowledged as they should be by the Planning Department - should they opt to object formerly, in writing.
Transparency and honesty exists sadly in a minority of our politicians and councillors today.
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