Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 10:57am Wed 12 Dec 07
Evening Times guilty of fly-posting:
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Evening Times guilty of fly-posting:
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Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 11:25am Wed 12 Dec 07
It seems to me that what the Evening Times is saying, and it's in black and white for everyone to see, [quote]quote[/quote]Every person on the list has admitted their guilt by paying a £50 fine issued for dropping litter, discarding a cigarette end, allowing their dog to foul the streets or fly-tipping.[quote]quote[/quote], is don't pay the fine and don't admit it was you who dropped it. It's basically your word against the "wee people in dodgy green uniforms" anyway isn't it?
It seems to me that what the Evening Times is saying, and it's in black and white for everyone to see,
quote
Every person on the list has admitted their guilt by paying a £50 fine issued for dropping litter, discarding a cigarette end, allowing their dog to foul the streets or fly-tipping.
quote
, is don't pay the fine and don't admit it was you who dropped it. It's basically your word against the "wee people in dodgy green uniforms" anyway isn't it?
Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 11:29am Wed 12 Dec 07
Oh, and the Councils "Great Santa Run" or whateverthehellitis, is this weekend through the streets of Glasgow. Are they providing water etc for the runners? If the runners drop their water, are the Council going to have the Wardens who issue fines for dropping litter, as "Santa's in disguise", to fine the runners on the spot for dropping litter? Or will they just let them away with it, cause it's "for charity"? Double standards...?
Oh, and the Councils "Great Santa Run" or whateverthehellitis, is this weekend through the streets of Glasgow. Are they providing water etc for the runners? If the runners drop their water, are the Council going to have the Wardens who issue fines for dropping litter, as "Santa's in disguise", to fine the runners on the spot for dropping litter? Or will they just let them away with it, cause it's "for charity"? Double standards...?
Posted by: Mr T, Glasgow on 11:34am Wed 12 Dec 07
I am totally with the evening times on this campaign, it can only be good for Glasgow to stay clean as i for one try my very best to hold on to all rubbish until i am home or leave it in the car to later remove. However i do strongly feel we need a lot more bins in Glasgow especially around local housing streets etc and other populated areas and around the town there should be many this would help. At times it can get hard to find one fast. Also naming them is great but lets keep this respectful and try to actively encourage people to be more proactive and take the rubbish to the bins. More campaigns helping people realise this is better than just naming and shaming.
Help Glasgow stay clean and help others realise how to do this if they are lacking the know how of basics.
I am totally with the evening times on this campaign, it can only be good for Glasgow to stay clean as i for one try my very best to hold on to all rubbish until i am home or leave it in the car to later remove. However i do strongly feel we need a lot more bins in Glasgow especially around local housing streets etc and other populated areas and around the town there should be many this would help. At times it can get hard to find one fast. Also naming them is great but lets keep this respectful and try to actively encourage people to be more proactive and take the rubbish to the bins. More campaigns helping people realise this is better than just naming and shaming.
Help Glasgow stay clean and help others realise how to do this if they are lacking the know how of basics.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 11:44am Wed 12 Dec 07
I'm also glad this seems to have received cross party support - so all the negative comments are not just directed at Mr Purcell.
I'm also glad this seems to have received cross party support - so all the negative comments are not just directed at Mr Purcell.
Posted by: david on 11:44am Wed 12 Dec 07
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Posted by: alan laurie, Glasgow on 11:52am Wed 12 Dec 07
Disgraceful how dare a once proud campaining newspaper resort to Digger style tactics.Why don't you name and shame the war criminals who instigated the invasion of Iraq ie the Labour lackies whose council in Glasgow is now breaching it's very own data protection policy !
Disgraceful how dare a once proud campaining newspaper resort to Digger style tactics.Why don't you name and shame the war criminals who instigated the invasion of Iraq ie the Labour lackies whose council in Glasgow is now breaching it's very own data protection policy !
Posted by: Mezzle, Glasgow on 11:53am Wed 12 Dec 07
What in gods name is the need to post the addresses of the litter louts? Fine, name and shame but putting the addresses down is scandelous and nothing short of disgraceful.
What in gods name is the need to post the addresses of the litter louts? Fine, name and shame but putting the addresses down is scandelous and nothing short of disgraceful.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 11:57am Wed 12 Dec 07
Nobody is saying that dropping litter is wrong but to name these people after they have paid their fines is..Why stop there why not list every person who has a criminal record & a list of their crimes because ITS WRONG & Glasgow council is out of order.....
Nobody is saying that dropping litter is wrong but to name these people after they have paid their fines is..Why stop there why not list every person who has a criminal record & a list of their crimes because ITS WRONG & Glasgow council is out of order.....
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:57am Wed 12 Dec 07
I am all for good investigative journalism , but the editor Donald Martin is out of sync with the long term ET readers over this "naming & shaming. This is a tactic more in line with the scummy News International The Sun, not the Evening Times. Maybe a question to ask is what the council is doing to clean up the [italic]rest of the city[/italic] and not just a finite area in the city centre.
I am all for good investigative journalism , but the editor Donald Martin is out of sync with the long term ET readers over this "naming & shaming. This is a tactic more in line with the scummy News International The Sun, not the Evening Times. Maybe a question to ask is what the council is doing to clean up the
rest of the city and not just a finite area in the city centre.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 11:58am Wed 12 Dec 07
Nobody is saying that dropping litter is RIGHT but to name these people after they have paid their fines is wrong..Why stop there why not list every person who has a criminal record & a list of their crimes because ITS WRONG & Glasgow council is out of order.....had to repost after getting it wrong the first time...
Nobody is saying that dropping litter is RIGHT but to name these people after they have paid their fines is wrong..Why stop there why not list every person who has a criminal record & a list of their crimes because ITS WRONG & Glasgow council is out of order.....had to repost after getting it wrong the first time...
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 11:59am Wed 12 Dec 07
Nobody is saying that dropping litter is RIGHT but to name these people after they have paid their fines is wrong..Why stop there why not list every person who has a criminal record & a list of their crimes because ITS WRONG & Glasgow council is out of order.....had to repost after getting it wrong the first time...
Nobody is saying that dropping litter is RIGHT but to name these people after they have paid their fines is wrong..Why stop there why not list every person who has a criminal record & a list of their crimes because ITS WRONG & Glasgow council is out of order.....had to repost after getting it wrong the first time...
Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 12:03pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Quite right to name and shame them.
Quite right to name and shame them.
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 12:07pm Wed 12 Dec 07
In high school I had a work placement at a newspaper and even as a daft student, if I had used phrases like "We Warned You"I would have been escorted out of the building. Bullying is bullying, no matter what the cover story.
I have sent this note to a contact at the Herald & Times group.
idea15.wordpress.com
In high school I had a work placement at a newspaper and even as a daft student, if I had used phrases like "We Warned You"I would have been escorted out of the building. Bullying is bullying, no matter what the cover story.
I have sent this note to a contact at the Herald & Times group.
idea15.wordpress.com
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 12:10pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Will the Evening Times be picking the all the Evening Times papers that have amassed on the streets of Glasgow?
Will the Evening Times be picking the all the Evening Times papers that have amassed on the streets of Glasgow?
Posted by: jimmykkk, Aberdeen on 12:13pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Never, ever again will I purchase the Evening Times or the Glasgow Herald. If everyone did this it would shut them down. Who the hell do they think they are.
Never, ever again will I purchase the Evening Times or the Glasgow Herald. If everyone did this it would shut them down. Who the hell do they think they are.
Posted by: tmitch, Glasgow on 12:15pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I think naming and shaming these people is ridiculous - how dare they print names and addresses? A £50 fine is more than enough, and I'm sure those who have been fined won't do it again, there's no need for this !!! Serious criminals get more rights than this, if it was me I'd be looking into civil rights laws, were these people told their details would be printed for all to see when they gave their details?
I think naming and shaming these people is ridiculous - how dare they print names and addresses? A £50 fine is more than enough, and I'm sure those who have been fined won't do it again, there's no need for this !!! Serious criminals get more rights than this, if it was me I'd be looking into civil rights laws, were these people told their details would be printed for all to see when they gave their details?
Posted by: scotchick, Glasgow on 12:19pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 12:28pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote:
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.[/quote] well don't hand out these cr@p flyers, no-one is interested in them! how long will it take you to learn your lesson.....
scotchick wrote:
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.
well don't hand out these cr@p flyers, no-one is interested in them! how long will it take you to learn your lesson.....
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:30pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
In high school I had a work placement at a newspaper and even as a daft student, if I had used phrases like "We Warned You"I would have been escorted out of the building. Bullying is bullying, no matter what the cover story.
I have sent this note to a contact at the Herald & Times group.
idea15.wordpress.com[/quote] Ok, so what is going to stop people using our streets like an ashtray??
Your letter says that their only mistake is missing the bin. Well to be honest, I think there should then be some sort of compulsory coaching because some people miss the bin by a long way.
Also, for people that don't clean up their dogs mess - did they just miss it when they tried to pick it up?
This campaign is not really a new one and the message is simple, so why don't people understand it. Heather, what do you propose that is going to make a difference to the litter problem? How are you going to help these poor innocent people manage to put their rubbish in a bin?
To me, this is all about respect. You see people all the time that intentionally drop litter because they are lazy and can't be bothered. They have no respect for their environment. They have no respect for anything or anyone. Same as vandals - they have no respect for other people's property... happy to smash in a bus shelter.
But unfortunately, some people on here think that by having litter wardens, it is something akin to living under a Nazi or Facist regime?!?! Give me a break!
Heather wrote:
In high school I had a work placement at a newspaper and even as a daft student, if I had used phrases like "We Warned You"I would have been escorted out of the building. Bullying is bullying, no matter what the cover story.
I have sent this note to a contact at the Herald & Times group.
idea15.wordpress.com
Ok, so what is going to stop people using our streets like an ashtray??
Your letter says that their only mistake is missing the bin. Well to be honest, I think there should then be some sort of compulsory coaching because some people miss the bin by a long way.
Also, for people that don't clean up their dogs mess - did they just miss it when they tried to pick it up?
This campaign is not really a new one and the message is simple, so why don't people understand it. Heather, what do you propose that is going to make a difference to the litter problem? How are you going to help these poor innocent people manage to put their rubbish in a bin?
To me, this is all about respect. You see people all the time that intentionally drop litter because they are lazy and can't be bothered. They have no respect for their environment. They have no respect for anything or anyone. Same as vandals - they have no respect for other people's property... happy to smash in a bus shelter.
But unfortunately, some people on here think that by having litter wardens, it is something akin to living under a Nazi or Facist regime?!?! Give me a break!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:32pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]daz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote:
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.[/quote] well don't hand out these cr@p flyers, no-one is interested in them! how long will it take you to learn your lesson.....[/quote] Yeah, don't expect any kind of sympathy.
daz wrote:
scotchick wrote:
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.
well don't hand out these cr@p flyers, no-one is interested in them! how long will it take you to learn your lesson.....
Yeah, don't expect any kind of sympathy.
Posted by: scotchick, Glasgow on 12:32pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer!
I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:38pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote:
I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer![/quote] Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer.
To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?
scotchick wrote:
I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer!
Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer.
To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 12:43pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
In high school I had a work placement at a newspaper and even as a daft student, if I had used phrases like "We Warned You"I would have been escorted out of the building. Bullying is bullying, no matter what the cover story.
I have sent this note to a contact at the Herald & Times group.
idea15.wordpress.com[/quote] Ok, so what is going to stop people using our streets like an ashtray??
Your letter says that their only mistake is missing the bin. Well to be honest, I think there should then be some sort of compulsory coaching because some people miss the bin by a long way.
Also, for people that don't clean up their dogs mess - did they just miss it when they tried to pick it up?
This campaign is not really a new one and the message is simple, so why don't people understand it. Heather, what do you propose that is going to make a difference to the litter problem? How are you going to help these poor innocent people manage to put their rubbish in a bin?
To me, this is all about respect. You see people all the time that intentionally drop litter because they are lazy and can't be bothered. They have no respect for their environment. They have no respect for anything or anyone. Same as vandals - they have no respect for other people's property... happy to smash in a bus shelter.
But unfortunately, some people on here think that by having litter wardens, it is something akin to living under a Nazi or Facist regime?!?! Give me a break! [/quote] I don't claim to have the answers as to what will get people to keep the city cleaner, but as you yourself said - it is about respect. This campaign is not about respect. It is about intimidation and bullying. The people named and shamed have admitted their guilt and paid their fine. They are now being criminalised and punished twice.
This whole ET campaign is not about discouraging littering. It is about an arrogant self-righteousness which the ET has been using as a substitute for basic journalistic standards under Donald Martin. This campaign tells the public that even if you pay your fine, you will still be publicly persecuted. How is that supposed to act as a disincentive? If you want people to respect the city, let them know that the fine is the end of it. And add some more rubbish bins while you're at it.
And all things considered in the city - murders, gang violence, business crime, drug dealing, benefit scrounging - why this?
I also have a big problem with the privacy, protection, and consideration which this paper is giving to the individual I mentioned in the blog post. His crimes are far worse, yet he is protected under law and practice. We can't mention his name, location, or publicised offenses, because we might be violating [italic]his[/italic] rights.
Big Al wrote:
Heather wrote:
In high school I had a work placement at a newspaper and even as a daft student, if I had used phrases like "We Warned You"I would have been escorted out of the building. Bullying is bullying, no matter what the cover story.
I have sent this note to a contact at the Herald & Times group.
idea15.wordpress.com
Ok, so what is going to stop people using our streets like an ashtray??
Your letter says that their only mistake is missing the bin. Well to be honest, I think there should then be some sort of compulsory coaching because some people miss the bin by a long way.
Also, for people that don't clean up their dogs mess - did they just miss it when they tried to pick it up?
This campaign is not really a new one and the message is simple, so why don't people understand it. Heather, what do you propose that is going to make a difference to the litter problem? How are you going to help these poor innocent people manage to put their rubbish in a bin?
To me, this is all about respect. You see people all the time that intentionally drop litter because they are lazy and can't be bothered. They have no respect for their environment. They have no respect for anything or anyone. Same as vandals - they have no respect for other people's property... happy to smash in a bus shelter.
But unfortunately, some people on here think that by having litter wardens, it is something akin to living under a Nazi or Facist regime?!?! Give me a break!
I don't claim to have the answers as to what will get people to keep the city cleaner, but as you yourself said - it is about respect. This campaign is not about respect. It is about intimidation and bullying. The people named and shamed have admitted their guilt and paid their fine. They are now being criminalised and punished twice.
This whole ET campaign is not about discouraging littering. It is about an arrogant self-righteousness which the ET has been using as a substitute for basic journalistic standards under Donald Martin. This campaign tells the public that even if you pay your fine, you will still be publicly persecuted. How is that supposed to act as a disincentive? If you want people to respect the city, let them know that the fine is the end of it. And add some more rubbish bins while you're at it.
And all things considered in the city - murders, gang violence, business crime, drug dealing, benefit scrounging - why this?
I also have a big problem with the privacy, protection, and consideration which this paper is giving to the individual I mentioned in the blog post. His crimes are far worse, yet he is protected under law and practice. We can't mention his name, location, or publicised offenses, because we might be violating
his rights.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:47pm Wed 12 Dec 07
In which case, I say abolish the fine and simply name and shame.
I also agree that you shouldn't give privacy, protection to somebody that commits these heinous crimes.
In which case, I say abolish the fine and simply name and shame.
I also agree that you shouldn't give privacy, protection to somebody that commits these heinous crimes.
Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 12:51pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote: I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer![/quote] Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer. To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?[/quote] And if that's the case...how come the Evening Times, Daily Record, Sun, and ESPECIALLY the Metro aren't fined for all the newspapers that are disregarded throughout the city, mostly on "Public Transport" i hasten to add. Who's in charge of "Public Transport"? They should be fined along with these papers for allowing them to leave them on their buses, trains etc...
I think everyone's just taken this a bit too far to be honest. Aye it's good to hear from people who agree & disagree with it, but the main thing here is people who have already paid the fine and admitted "their crime", are being persecuted twice so that ET can sell a few more papers!!
I think it's time that "ET" took its head out from behind its "Rose tinted windows" (you's like the link there? lol), & "phoned home"...
Big Al wrote:
scotchick wrote: I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer!
Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer. To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?
And if that's the case...how come the Evening Times, Daily Record, Sun, and ESPECIALLY the Metro aren't fined for all the newspapers that are disregarded throughout the city, mostly on "Public Transport" i hasten to add. Who's in charge of "Public Transport"? They should be fined along with these papers for allowing them to leave them on their buses, trains etc...
I think everyone's just taken this a bit too far to be honest. Aye it's good to hear from people who agree & disagree with it, but the main thing here is people who have already paid the fine and admitted "their crime", are being persecuted twice so that ET can sell a few more papers!!
I think it's time that "ET" took its head out from behind its "Rose tinted windows" (you's like the link there? lol), & "phoned home"...
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 12:57pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Again, I do not claim to be an expert, but I would probably double the fine for minor offenses and increase the criminal severity of worse ones, like smashing up bus shelters.
Ironically I have often said as a joke that the "long term unemployed" should be put to work cleaning up rubbish. Maybe there's an idea there. We have a lot of trash, and we have a lot of people sitting around taking but not contributing.
I would disagree with your suggestion of compulsory coaching - the last thing we need are more public sector make-work jobs telling people what to do.
Again, I do not claim to be an expert, but I would probably double the fine for minor offenses and increase the criminal severity of worse ones, like smashing up bus shelters.
Ironically I have often said as a joke that the "long term unemployed" should be put to work cleaning up rubbish. Maybe there's an idea there. We have a lot of trash, and we have a lot of people sitting around taking but not contributing.
I would disagree with your suggestion of compulsory coaching - the last thing we need are more public sector make-work jobs telling people what to do.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:08pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Heather - totally agree with you about long term unemployed contributing back to society.
Problem with doubling the fine for minor offenses is that people then brand that as a stealth tax.
Heather - totally agree with you about long term unemployed contributing back to society.
Problem with doubling the fine for minor offenses is that people then brand that as a stealth tax.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:13pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Scotchick - If you accost people in the street and hand out leaflets and the person you give them to doesn't want it and chucks it away you should pick it up and put it in the bin yourself. You aren't doing the public a service, you are a leafleteering pest and you deserve to suffer a fine and your name in the paper if you misjudge the people you foist your appalling leaflets on. You hand out litter, you take the risks involved.
Scotchick - If you accost people in the street and hand out leaflets and the person you give them to doesn't want it and chucks it away you should pick it up and put it in the bin yourself. You aren't doing the public a service, you are a leafleteering pest and you deserve to suffer a fine and your name in the paper if you misjudge the people you foist your appalling leaflets on. You hand out litter, you take the risks involved.
Posted by: scotchick, Glasgow on 1:13pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Bri[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote: I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer![/quote] Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer. To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?[/quote] And if that's the case...how come the Evening Times, Daily Record, Sun, and ESPECIALLY the Metro aren't fined for all the newspapers that are disregarded throughout the city, mostly on "Public Transport" i hasten to add. Who's in charge of "Public Transport"? They should be fined along with these papers for allowing them to leave them on their buses, trains etc... I think everyone's just taken this a bit too far to be honest. Aye it's good to hear from people who agree & disagree with it, but the main thing here is people who have already paid the fine and admitted "their crime", are being persecuted twice so that ET can sell a few more papers!! I think it's time that "ET" took its head out from behind its "Rose tinted windows" (you's like the link there? lol), & "phoned home"...[/quote] I think the litter wardens just realise that it's easier to fine a small company distributing flyers than a newspaper. There are countless numbers or newspapers lying about the streets but you never see the papers getting fined. I just think it's unfair to fine a distributer of a flyer if the receiver throws it away, it;s just another way for the council to make money.
Bri wrote:
Big Al wrote: scotchick wrote: I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer!
Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer. To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?
And if that's the case...how come the Evening Times, Daily Record, Sun, and ESPECIALLY the Metro aren't fined for all the newspapers that are disregarded throughout the city, mostly on "Public Transport" i hasten to add. Who's in charge of "Public Transport"? They should be fined along with these papers for allowing them to leave them on their buses, trains etc... I think everyone's just taken this a bit too far to be honest. Aye it's good to hear from people who agree & disagree with it, but the main thing here is people who have already paid the fine and admitted "their crime", are being persecuted twice so that ET can sell a few more papers!! I think it's time that "ET" took its head out from behind its "Rose tinted windows" (you's like the link there? lol), & "phoned home"...
I think the litter wardens just realise that it's easier to fine a small company distributing flyers than a newspaper. There are countless numbers or newspapers lying about the streets but you never see the papers getting fined. I just think it's unfair to fine a distributer of a flyer if the receiver throws it away, it;s just another way for the council to make money.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 1:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Can glasgow city council name the hundreds of paedophiles who are currently occupying council housing stock,Surely this represents a bigger problem than dropping litter.
Can glasgow city council name the hundreds of paedophiles who are currently occupying council housing stock,Surely this represents a bigger problem than dropping litter.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 1:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
For 'Big Al' above, read 'Glasgow City Council spokesman'!
For 'Big Al' above, read 'Glasgow City Council spokesman'!
Posted by: scotchick, Glasgow on 1:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I hardly accost people in the street, if people don't want a flyer, they shouldn't take it. I much prefer when someone says 'no thank you' and declines a flyer than takes it and throws it away. Some even say to me 'I would just throw it away' and they decline, that's much better than taking it and throwing it away.
I stand there and hand out flyers clearly saying what the flyer is for, if you don't want it, don't take it. It's that simple.
I hardly accost people in the street, if people don't want a flyer, they shouldn't take it. I much prefer when someone says 'no thank you' and declines a flyer than takes it and throws it away. Some even say to me 'I would just throw it away' and they decline, that's much better than taking it and throwing it away.
I stand there and hand out flyers clearly saying what the flyer is for, if you don't want it, don't take it. It's that simple.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote]"their only mistake is missing the bin..."[/quote]
I think that is the greatest excuse for littering ever. If you missed the bin bend down and pick it up and put it in the bin properly.
"their only mistake is missing the bin..."
I think that is the greatest excuse for littering ever. If you missed the bin bend down and pick it up and put it in the bin properly.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:18pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bri[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote: I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer![/quote] Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer. To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?[/quote] And if that's the case...how come the Evening Times, Daily Record, Sun, and ESPECIALLY the Metro aren't fined for all the newspapers that are disregarded throughout the city, mostly on "Public Transport" i hasten to add. Who's in charge of "Public Transport"? They should be fined along with these papers for allowing them to leave them on their buses, trains etc... I think everyone's just taken this a bit too far to be honest. Aye it's good to hear from people who agree & disagree with it, but the main thing here is people who have already paid the fine and admitted "their crime", are being persecuted twice so that ET can sell a few more papers!! I think it's time that "ET" took its head out from behind its "Rose tinted windows" (you's like the link there? lol), & "phoned home"...[/quote] I think the litter wardens just realise that it's easier to fine a small company distributing flyers than a newspaper. There are countless numbers or newspapers lying about the streets but you never see the papers getting fined. I just think it's unfair to fine a distributer of a flyer if the receiver throws it away, it;s just another way for the council to make money.[/quote] Totally agree with Johnny, the main difference is that you are giving these flyers to people that don't want them. If they drop them within 20 yards of you, then you should be equally responsible for the litter. You see them dropping them don't you??
With a newspaper, the person generally purchases or picks one up (Metro) - they want the newspaper. If they then throw it on the ground, then it is them littering.
If on the other hand, you see the daily record free newspaper being handed out to people who don't want it, then the person drop it within sight of the vendor, then I would say the vendor/Daily Record are equally at fault as the person littering.
scotchick wrote:
Bri wrote:
Big Al wrote: scotchick wrote: I'm sure there are some things you aren't interested in but there is proof that people gather information from flyers and they work. I can't help it if I hand it to someone and they drop it, I shouldn't be penalised for someone else dropping the flyer!
Maybe you should be a bit more selective over who you hand out flyers to, to make sure they are interested in that information before giving them the flyer. To be honest, I would say you are equally as responsible as the people that drop them. I am sure you see them dropping them within 20 yards, so why don't you just pick them up?
And if that's the case...how come the Evening Times, Daily Record, Sun, and ESPECIALLY the Metro aren't fined for all the newspapers that are disregarded throughout the city, mostly on "Public Transport" i hasten to add. Who's in charge of "Public Transport"? They should be fined along with these papers for allowing them to leave them on their buses, trains etc... I think everyone's just taken this a bit too far to be honest. Aye it's good to hear from people who agree & disagree with it, but the main thing here is people who have already paid the fine and admitted "their crime", are being persecuted twice so that ET can sell a few more papers!! I think it's time that "ET" took its head out from behind its "Rose tinted windows" (you's like the link there? lol), & "phoned home"...
I think the litter wardens just realise that it's easier to fine a small company distributing flyers than a newspaper. There are countless numbers or newspapers lying about the streets but you never see the papers getting fined. I just think it's unfair to fine a distributer of a flyer if the receiver throws it away, it;s just another way for the council to make money.
Totally agree with Johnny, the main difference is that you are giving these flyers to people that don't want them. If they drop them within 20 yards of you, then you should be equally responsible for the litter. You see them dropping them don't you??
With a newspaper, the person generally purchases or picks one up (Metro) - they want the newspaper. If they then throw it on the ground, then it is them littering.
If on the other hand, you see the daily record free newspaper being handed out to people who don't want it, then the person drop it within sight of the vendor, then I would say the vendor/Daily Record are equally at fault as the person littering.
Posted by: scotchick, Glasgow on 1:22pm Wed 12 Dec 07
If people don't want the flyer they shouldn't take it. I clearly say what the flyer is for when distributing them. Sometimes people even bring the flyer back once they've read it and realise they don't want it, that's much better than throwing it on the ground.
If people don't want the flyer they shouldn't take it. I clearly say what the flyer is for when distributing them. Sometimes people even bring the flyer back once they've read it and realise they don't want it, that's much better than throwing it on the ground.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:22pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
For 'Big Al' above, read 'Glasgow City Council spokesman'![/quote] Oh yeah, sorry, if I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of litter thats about. Sorry if I am embarrassed about the state of our streets and people's lack of respect. If you actually read my other posts you will see I am actually very critical of the GCC on other issues.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
For 'Big Al' above, read 'Glasgow City Council spokesman'!
Oh yeah, sorry, if I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of litter thats about. Sorry if I am embarrassed about the state of our streets and people's lack of respect. If you actually read my other posts you will see I am actually very critical of the GCC on other issues.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:24pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Macdonald's and the like have to supply bins to cope with the rubbish their industries produce, and they contribute to the cost of clearing up. Why shouldn't the peddlers of trashy leaflets pay as well? At the very least, those who hand out leaflets should be made to carry a bin on their backs, or even better, have an associate whose job is to recover discarded bumf.
Macdonald's and the like have to supply bins to cope with the rubbish their industries produce, and they contribute to the cost of clearing up. Why shouldn't the peddlers of trashy leaflets pay as well? At the very least, those who hand out leaflets should be made to carry a bin on their backs, or even better, have an associate whose job is to recover discarded bumf.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 1:27pm Wed 12 Dec 07
scotchick
i think if you were to count up the flyers in the surrounding bins, etc that you'd handed out you'd seen realise that the small number of flyers being retained is an extremely inefficient method of advertisement.
time to get another job - picking up litter maybe?
scotchick
i think if you were to count up the flyers in the surrounding bins, etc that you'd handed out you'd seen realise that the small number of flyers being retained is an extremely inefficient method of advertisement.
time to get another job - picking up litter maybe?
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:27pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
Can glasgow city council name the hundreds of paedophiles who are currently occupying council housing stock,Surely this represents a bigger problem than dropping litter.[/quote] Interesting point. The Council shouldn't enforce laws on litter because of peedafiles. Should it also not enforce anti-flyposting rules, clear graffiti, control pigeons, and manage parking because of peedafiles?
jrb wrote:
Can glasgow city council name the hundreds of paedophiles who are currently occupying council housing stock,Surely this represents a bigger problem than dropping litter.
Interesting point. The Council shouldn't enforce laws on litter because of peedafiles. Should it also not enforce anti-flyposting rules, clear graffiti, control pigeons, and manage parking because of peedafiles?
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 1:31pm Wed 12 Dec 07
The Evening times are correct in naming and shaming the litter louts.. Double the fines.
As I have said yesterday, Singapore know how to deal with this scum and the fines are probably the start of educating most of them..
Education, Education, Education...Labour Failure.
It could also be argued that at this moment in time Wendy Bendy and Broon nose are getting away with corruption, sleaze worst crimes than litter..
Thats another topic I suppose.. Hi! is this going to be a coverup after they and others have been named and shamed...?
The Evening times are correct in naming and shaming the litter louts.. Double the fines.
As I have said yesterday, Singapore know how to deal with this scum and the fines are probably the start of educating most of them..
Education, Education, Education...Labour Failure.
It could also be argued that at this moment in time Wendy Bendy and Broon nose are getting away with corruption, sleaze worst crimes than litter..
Thats another topic I suppose.. Hi! is this going to be a coverup after they and others have been named and shamed...?
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 1:36pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Incidentally as for the whole point of the article above - "readers get behind us"- a poll which is neither scientific nor independent but run through one's own web site on a PHP script is not an accurate measure of public opinion. But it's not as if the ET would print a story saying that readers disagree, would they.
Incidentally as for the whole point of the article above - "readers get behind us"- a poll which is neither scientific nor independent but run through one's own web site on a PHP script is not an accurate measure of public opinion. But it's not as if the ET would print a story saying that readers disagree, would they.
Posted by: Stef, Glasgow on 1:44pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I think it is disgraceful that you are printing the names along with the addresses. These people have paid fines and dropping a small bit of paper on the street, while wrong, is nothing compared to the other crimes committed in the city. Why don't you print the names and addresses of the people who have been fined/convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary? My friend was fined for being next to a cashline machine statement that fell off the machine while he was using it in Shawlands and now your printing his name and address as if he and the other people are some kind of major menace to society. Get a grip. Concentrate on important issues like why the leader of a major political party in Scotland can admit committing a criminal offence but get away with it. Maybe if I'm stopped in the street for dropping a bit of paper I can use the defence that I was not aware that a crime was being committed. It seems to work for Ms Alexander.
I think it is disgraceful that you are printing the names along with the addresses. These people have paid fines and dropping a small bit of paper on the street, while wrong, is nothing compared to the other crimes committed in the city. Why don't you print the names and addresses of the people who have been fined/convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary? My friend was fined for being next to a cashline machine statement that fell off the machine while he was using it in Shawlands and now your printing his name and address as if he and the other people are some kind of major menace to society. Get a grip. Concentrate on important issues like why the leader of a major political party in Scotland can admit committing a criminal offence but get away with it. Maybe if I'm stopped in the street for dropping a bit of paper I can use the defence that I was not aware that a crime was being committed. It seems to work for Ms Alexander.
Posted by: Stef, Glasgow on 1:50pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I think it is disgraceful that you are printing the names along with the addresses. These people have paid fines and dropping a small bit of paper on the street, while wrong, is nothing compared to the other crimes committed in the city. Why don't you print the names and addresses of the people who have been fined/convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary? My friend was fined for being next to a cashline machine statement that fell off the machine while he was using it in Shawlands and now your printing his name and address as if he and the other people are some kind of major menace to society. Get a grip. Concentrate on important issues like why the leader of a major political party in Scotland can admit committing a criminal offence but get away with it. Maybe if I'm stopped in the street for dropping a bit of paper I can use the defence that I was not aware that a crime was being committed. It seems to work for Ms Alexander.
I think it is disgraceful that you are printing the names along with the addresses. These people have paid fines and dropping a small bit of paper on the street, while wrong, is nothing compared to the other crimes committed in the city. Why don't you print the names and addresses of the people who have been fined/convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary? My friend was fined for being next to a cashline machine statement that fell off the machine while he was using it in Shawlands and now your printing his name and address as if he and the other people are some kind of major menace to society. Get a grip. Concentrate on important issues like why the leader of a major political party in Scotland can admit committing a criminal offence but get away with it. Maybe if I'm stopped in the street for dropping a bit of paper I can use the defence that I was not aware that a crime was being committed. It seems to work for Ms Alexander.
Posted by: AG, Glasgow on 1:54pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Well said Stef, its about time that the ET took a long hard look at itself and what it deems a 'GOOD IDEA' just to sell papers. Dropping litter is an offence and people should be fined for it but to 'Name and Shame' someone for dropping a piece of paper or a cigarette butt on the ground is totally unacceptable and anyone that agrees with this type of journalism should be fined for being an idiot. Now THAT WOULD bring in a hell of a lot of cash!!!
Well said Stef, its about time that the ET took a long hard look at itself and what it deems a 'GOOD IDEA' just to sell papers. Dropping litter is an offence and people should be fined for it but to 'Name and Shame' someone for dropping a piece of paper or a cigarette butt on the ground is totally unacceptable and anyone that agrees with this type of journalism should be fined for being an idiot. Now THAT WOULD bring in a hell of a lot of cash!!!
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 1:57pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Steady on PUSKAS east kilbride,good footballer that you were, calling those who drop litter as scum seems a bit harsh. keep words like scum for the lowlifes who reportedly robbed a89 year old of her life savings....
Steady on PUSKAS east kilbride,good footballer that you were, calling those who drop litter as scum seems a bit harsh. keep words like scum for the lowlifes who reportedly robbed a89 year old of her life savings....
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:59pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I quite agree that the papers should print the names and addresses of people who have been convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary, and indeed that used to be the case.
Shame was a major deterrent to crime and I'm glad it's making a comeback. If the Evening Times has stopped doing this it should start again. There should be grainy pictures of the convicted person emerging from court after justice has been done and a condign punishment imposed. Your neighbours and family should know if you did a bad thing and went before the bench.
Condign - now that's a word we should hear more of.
I quite agree that the papers should print the names and addresses of people who have been convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary, and indeed that used to be the case.
Shame was a major deterrent to crime and I'm glad it's making a comeback. If the Evening Times has stopped doing this it should start again. There should be grainy pictures of the convicted person emerging from court after justice has been done and a condign punishment imposed. Your neighbours and family should know if you did a bad thing and went before the bench.
Condign - now that's a word we should hear more of.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:10pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[bold]This is a load of rubbish! (Ha Ha) There are far more serious issues to contend with, some of which have been mentioned above by fellow readers.
By the way, why was the story and all the comments removed from yesterday's article on the same buject, and did the guy from Alabama of all places pay his fine?[/bold]
This is a load of rubbish! (Ha Ha) There are far more serious issues to contend with, some of which have been mentioned above by fellow readers.
By the way, why was the story and all the comments removed from yesterday's article on the same buject, and did the guy from Alabama of all places pay his fine? Posted by: slam, Glasgow on 2:11pm Wed 12 Dec 07
ET is a **** paper. full stop.
ET is a **** paper. full stop.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 2:12pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Big Al wrote: "Oh yeah, sorry, if I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of litter thats about...."
Apology accepted... now get back to work!
Big Al wrote: "Oh yeah, sorry, if I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of litter thats about...."
Apology accepted... now get back to work!
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 2:30pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Stef[/bold] wrote:
I think it is disgraceful that you are printing the names along with the addresses. These people have paid fines and dropping a small bit of paper on the street, while wrong, is nothing compared to the other crimes committed in the city. Why don't you print the names and addresses of the people who have been fined/convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary? My friend was fined for being next to a cashline machine statement that fell off the machine while he was using it in Shawlands and now your printing his name and address as if he and the other people are some kind of major menace to society. Get a grip. Concentrate on important issues like why the leader of a major political party in Scotland can admit committing a criminal offence but get away with it. Maybe if I'm stopped in the street for dropping a bit of paper I can use the defence that I was not aware that a crime was being committed. It seems to work for Ms Alexander.[/quote] We said Stef. too much emphasis on trivialities in life by our press and not enough on major issues. Litter is a huge annoyance but there are more important things going on.
Anyway, this is just a money making exercise by GCC.
Stef wrote:
I think it is disgraceful that you are printing the names along with the addresses. These people have paid fines and dropping a small bit of paper on the street, while wrong, is nothing compared to the other crimes committed in the city. Why don't you print the names and addresses of the people who have been fined/convicted for assault, drink driving or burglary? My friend was fined for being next to a cashline machine statement that fell off the machine while he was using it in Shawlands and now your printing his name and address as if he and the other people are some kind of major menace to society. Get a grip. Concentrate on important issues like why the leader of a major political party in Scotland can admit committing a criminal offence but get away with it. Maybe if I'm stopped in the street for dropping a bit of paper I can use the defence that I was not aware that a crime was being committed. It seems to work for Ms Alexander.
We said Stef. too much emphasis on trivialities in life by our press and not enough on major issues. Litter is a huge annoyance but there are more important things going on.
Anyway, this is just a money making exercise by GCC.
Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 2:47pm Wed 12 Dec 07
No, the REALLY cr*p paper is the Daily Record
No, the REALLY cr*p paper is the Daily Record
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:01pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
No, the REALLY cr*p paper is the Daily Record [/quote] More like the Daily Retard - Vote Labour!! Ha Ha HA!!!!
pete wrote:
No, the REALLY cr*p paper is the Daily Record
More like the Daily Retard - Vote Labour!! Ha Ha HA!!!!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 4:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
the paper is treading on dangerous waters by puting peoples names and adresses in the newspaper,its as bad as a reader mentioning a persons name and making it known that he was robbed by them.there are a few good lawyers out there, they would have a feild day! good idea though of naming and shameing wish all the law breakers were made known to the public then we would be aware of these rogues,keep on doing the investigative reporting,slange!.
the paper is treading on dangerous waters by puting peoples names and adresses in the newspaper,its as bad as a reader mentioning a persons name and making it known that he was robbed by them.there are a few good lawyers out there, they would have a feild day! good idea though of naming and shameing wish all the law breakers were made known to the public then we would be aware of these rogues,keep on doing the investigative reporting,slange!.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 4:31pm Wed 12 Dec 07
The ET is a feckin joke of a paper you would have to be a retard to waste money on it.
Then again there are a lot of sleaze and corruption labour party voters in Glasgow.
Sad realy. But still a dump out of eyeshot of the plastic toon centre with money being wasted on things like the bridge to nowhere.
The motto should be.Glasgow The midden with style.
The ET is a feckin joke of a paper you would have to be a retard to waste money on it.
Then again there are a lot of sleaze and corruption labour party voters in Glasgow.
Sad realy. But still a dump out of eyeshot of the plastic toon centre with money being wasted on things like the bridge to nowhere.
The motto should be.Glasgow The midden with style.
Posted by: Bri, Glasgow on 4:40pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I used to enjoy reading the ET, but not now. Not now that i know there's 4 people in my street who are "The scum of the earth and litter louts!!", cause a tabloid paper said so...
And so much for "News"... River City being the biggest picture on the front page? Is Mrs Claus being arrested cause she told them her name, but failed to pay her fine, & they doubted her story? "I was too busy helping Santa with all the presents for all the world to...."
I used to enjoy reading the ET, but not now. Not now that i know there's 4 people in my street who are "The scum of the earth and litter louts!!", cause a tabloid paper said so...
And so much for "News"... River City being the biggest picture on the front page? Is Mrs Claus being arrested cause she told them her name, but failed to pay her fine, & they doubted her story? "I was too busy helping Santa with all the presents for all the world to...."
Posted by: George Brown, glasgow on 4:43pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I think that the idea is incorrect and I would think that the paper in a way is inciting 'vigilante jungle law' by naming and shaming wrongdoers.
perhaps it would be more worth while for reporters to patrol the city streets locating all the perpetrators of pavement obstruction
namely the 'street furniture' which makes walking unimpeded in a straight line along Argyle and surrounding streets an impossibility, there should also be on the spot fines for the restaurants tipping tables and chairs around Buchanan Street and Royal Exchange Square, as far as I am concerned it is bad management when those premises have so much furniture that there a space shortage to store it all indoors
if that is too tough for the 'times' reporters why not have them observing the traffic on Renfield and Hope Street to give some worthwhile observations on how to regulate the traffic flow and resolve conjestion problems
maybe then they will have earned a more respected opinion
I think that the idea is incorrect and I would think that the paper in a way is inciting 'vigilante jungle law' by naming and shaming wrongdoers.
perhaps it would be more worth while for reporters to patrol the city streets locating all the perpetrators of pavement obstruction
namely the 'street furniture' which makes walking unimpeded in a straight line along Argyle and surrounding streets an impossibility, there should also be on the spot fines for the restaurants tipping tables and chairs around Buchanan Street and Royal Exchange Square, as far as I am concerned it is bad management when those premises have so much furniture that there a space shortage to store it all indoors
if that is too tough for the 'times' reporters why not have them observing the traffic on Renfield and Hope Street to give some worthwhile observations on how to regulate the traffic flow and resolve conjestion problems
maybe then they will have earned a more respected opinion
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 4:52pm Wed 12 Dec 07
The headline guffaws. Readers get behind us for shaming litter louts.
1400 people voted out of a city with a population of about 500.000 and this mince paper is calling their disgusting bullying campaign a success.Only labour numpties could print that sh*te and actually believe it.
If you get harassed by one these Micky mouse coonsil extortion wardens, just give a ET hq as your address.
The headline guffaws. Readers get behind us for shaming litter louts.
1400 people voted out of a city with a population of about 500.000 and this mince paper is calling their disgusting bullying campaign a success.Only labour numpties could print that sh*te and actually believe it.
If you get harassed by one these Micky mouse coonsil extortion wardens, just give a ET hq as your address.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 4:57pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Do these plebs really think that people will waste their time looking at GCC web site to see the names of the victims.
No chance.
Do these plebs really think that people will waste their time looking at GCC web site to see the names of the victims.
No chance.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:58pm Wed 12 Dec 07
jrb Glasgow.
If you feel scum is over-the-top how about misguided idiots. Look head to Singapore jrb and the rest of you who think this is a trivial crime. No gum, buts, chip paper .. etc.
Why are their streets so clean you may ask.
No fines their ma man their arse gets walloped by the use of the birch.. There you are problem solved and no need for the ET listing names. Glasgow the beautiful city that it is is then on the way to educating the malevolants.
Wendy Bendy and Broon nose I accept are criminals of the highest order leading a once proud Labour party into oblivion.. It amazes me how the media have nulified this crime recently. Thankfully their crimes are still being reported and the latest developments in the upmarket English dailies..
Ex Labour activist I was. Many years ago I seen the like with the John Reids, Adam Ingrams etc. etc.. I resigned ...
Ference Puskas was a great footballer and person... Holds records even Pele could only dream of ... Fact...
A question to you all..
Litter in Glasgow (many UK cities )What is the answer. ??
How do we stop the dropping of litter/rubbish ..???
jrb Glasgow.
If you feel scum is over-the-top how about misguided idiots. Look head to Singapore jrb and the rest of you who think this is a trivial crime. No gum, buts, chip paper .. etc.
Why are their streets so clean you may ask.
No fines their ma man their arse gets walloped by the use of the birch.. There you are problem solved and no need for the ET listing names. Glasgow the beautiful city that it is is then on the way to educating the malevolants.
Wendy Bendy and Broon nose I accept are criminals of the highest order leading a once proud Labour party into oblivion.. It amazes me how the media have nulified this crime recently. Thankfully their crimes are still being reported and the latest developments in the upmarket English dailies..
Ex Labour activist I was. Many years ago I seen the like with the John Reids, Adam Ingrams etc. etc.. I resigned ...
Ference Puskas was a great footballer and person... Holds records even Pele could only dream of ... Fact...
A question to you all..
Litter in Glasgow (many UK cities )What is the answer. ??
How do we stop the dropping of litter/rubbish ..???
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:05pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]puskas[/bold] wrote:
jrb Glasgow. If you feel scum is over-the-top how about misguided idiots. Look head to Singapore jrb and the rest of you who think this is a trivial crime. No gum, buts, chip paper .. etc. Why are their streets so clean you may ask. No fines their ma man their arse gets walloped by the use of the birch.. There you are problem solved and no need for the ET listing names. Glasgow the beautiful city that it is is then on the way to educating the malevolants. Wendy Bendy and Broon nose I accept are criminals of the highest order leading a once proud Labour party into oblivion.. It amazes me how the media have nulified this crime recently. Thankfully their crimes are still being reported and the latest developments in the upmarket English dailies.. Ex Labour activist I was. Many years ago I seen the like with the John Reids, Adam Ingrams etc. etc.. I resigned ... Ference Puskas was a great footballer and person... Holds records even Pele could only dream of ... Fact... A question to you all.. Litter in Glasgow (many UK cities )What is the answer. ?? How do we stop the dropping of litter/rubbish ..??? [/quote] More bins more workers to empty the bins and less junkets for Cameron and purcell and the likes will pay for it.I think it was last year Cameron wasted £80,000 on official holidays paid for by the tax payer.
puskas wrote:
jrb Glasgow. If you feel scum is over-the-top how about misguided idiots. Look head to Singapore jrb and the rest of you who think this is a trivial crime. No gum, buts, chip paper .. etc. Why are their streets so clean you may ask. No fines their ma man their arse gets walloped by the use of the birch.. There you are problem solved and no need for the ET listing names. Glasgow the beautiful city that it is is then on the way to educating the malevolants. Wendy Bendy and Broon nose I accept are criminals of the highest order leading a once proud Labour party into oblivion.. It amazes me how the media have nulified this crime recently. Thankfully their crimes are still being reported and the latest developments in the upmarket English dailies.. Ex Labour activist I was. Many years ago I seen the like with the John Reids, Adam Ingrams etc. etc.. I resigned ... Ference Puskas was a great footballer and person... Holds records even Pele could only dream of ... Fact... A question to you all.. Litter in Glasgow (many UK cities )What is the answer. ?? How do we stop the dropping of litter/rubbish ..???
More bins more workers to empty the bins and less junkets for Cameron and purcell and the likes will pay for it.I think it was last year Cameron wasted £80,000 on official holidays paid for by the tax payer.
Posted by: BhoyWunda, Glasgow's Biggest Suburb on 5:15pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]scotchick[/bold] wrote:
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.[/quote] Scotchick - You should be doing your work and not going onto the Evening Times Website. I'm telling the boss ya waffle. King Edward never fined anyone for flyers.
scotchick wrote:
I have been given quite a few litter fines for handing out promotional flyers in the street. If any of the flyers i am handing out are seen on the floor the 'litter wardens' have issued me with a fine. I have also been given a fine for giving a flyer to someone, then they throw it on the ground and the litter warden hands a fine to both me and the person that threw it on the ground, a double bubble! It annoys me that they insist on calling promotional flyers litter! And the fact that they can fine both the distributer and reciever of the flyer. They are limiting any sort of promotion for new shops/companys/club nights etc.
Scotchick - You should be doing your work and not going onto the Evening Times Website. I'm telling the boss ya waffle. King Edward never fined anyone for flyers.
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 5:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I once got fined for using a few swear words in public....the judge said it was littered with expletives
I once got fined for using a few swear words in public....the judge said it was littered with expletives
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:18pm Wed 12 Dec 07
As sent to Wendy Alexander:
Dear Ms Alexander,
I was shocked to notice in yesterday's Glasgow Evening Times that the names and addresses of people who had been fined for littering had been published.
These names and address were provided by Glasgow City Council and are also available on its website.
I certainly do not condon littering and I agree that transgessors should be punished. But, these people have already been fined, I feel that this is the modern equivalent of being 'put in the stocks'. A practice long outlawed since the end of medieval thinking (or so I thought).
Furthermore, under Scottish Statutory Instrument 2004 No. 427: The Litter (Fixed Penalty Notices) (Scotland) Order 2004 paying a fixed penalty notice is in itself not a conviction nor admission of guilt: this notice offers you the opportunity of discharging any liability to conviction for that offence by payment of a fixed penalty. The instrument goes on, adding: No proceedings will be taken for this offence before the expiration of fourteen days following the date of this notice.
People who have paid the fixed penalty have commited no crime, have admitted no guilt and in fact are innocent in legal terms. In publishing the names AND addresses their Civil Liberties have been infringed upon. Additional, the Data Protection Act has been broken.
I addressed my concerns to a representative of Glasgow Council legal services, Dr Kenny Maughan. We spoke on the telephone. Dr Maughan justified the actions of Glasgow City Council in: The Environment Protection Act 1990 (c. 43), section 87, subparagraph 6. This states:
(6) A local authority, with a view to promoting the abatement of litter, may take such steps as the authority think appropriate for making the effect of subsection (5) above known to the public in their area.
Now, refering back to subsection (5) as mentioned above:
(5) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.
However, in paying a fixed penalty, a person is not deemed to be guilty!!!! So, legally Glasgow Council have no justification and are in fact breaking many laws.
They plan to publish more names and address! A lot of these people may not have intentionaly dropped litter at all! The Wardens give the public no second chance to pick anything they dropped up and will recieve payment under duress! Have you never accidently dropped something on the street?
How will the Scottish Nation look when a visitor picks up a Newspaper and reads this? Is this whole campagn not just stupid and petty. How many extra policemen would all this have paid for? Surely, the Police are empowered to prevent littering AS well as making the streets safer??? No, this ill-advised PR exercise is considered better. How do these Council Leaders get elected?
I respectfully ask, that you please, please do something about this. Its making me embarassed to be Scottish!!!!
Regards, John Corrigan of 204 Sandy Road, Renfrew. PA4 0JX
As sent to Wendy Alexander:
Dear Ms Alexander,
I was shocked to notice in yesterday's Glasgow Evening Times that the names and addresses of people who had been fined for littering had been published.
These names and address were provided by Glasgow City Council and are also available on its website.
I certainly do not condon littering and I agree that transgessors should be punished. But, these people have already been fined, I feel that this is the modern equivalent of being 'put in the stocks'. A practice long outlawed since the end of medieval thinking (or so I thought).
Furthermore, under Scottish Statutory Instrument 2004 No. 427: The Litter (Fixed Penalty Notices) (Scotland) Order 2004 paying a fixed penalty notice is in itself not a conviction nor admission of guilt: this notice offers you the opportunity of discharging any liability to conviction for that offence by payment of a fixed penalty. The instrument goes on, adding: No proceedings will be taken for this offence before the expiration of fourteen days following the date of this notice.
People who have paid the fixed penalty have commited no crime, have admitted no guilt and in fact are innocent in legal terms. In publishing the names AND addresses their Civil Liberties have been infringed upon. Additional, the Data Protection Act has been broken.
I addressed my concerns to a representative of Glasgow Council legal services, Dr Kenny Maughan. We spoke on the telephone. Dr Maughan justified the actions of Glasgow City Council in: The Environment Protection Act 1990 (c. 43), section 87, subparagraph 6. This states:
(6) A local authority, with a view to promoting the abatement of litter, may take such steps as the authority think appropriate for making the effect of subsection (5) above known to the public in their area.
Now, refering back to subsection (5) as mentioned above:
(5) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.
However, in paying a fixed penalty, a person is not deemed to be guilty!!!! So, legally Glasgow Council have no justification and are in fact breaking many laws.
They plan to publish more names and address! A lot of these people may not have intentionaly dropped litter at all! The Wardens give the public no second chance to pick anything they dropped up and will recieve payment under duress! Have you never accidently dropped something on the street?
How will the Scottish Nation look when a visitor picks up a Newspaper and reads this? Is this whole campagn not just stupid and petty. How many extra policemen would all this have paid for? Surely, the Police are empowered to prevent littering AS well as making the streets safer??? No, this ill-advised PR exercise is considered better. How do these Council Leaders get elected?
I respectfully ask, that you please, please do something about this. Its making me embarassed to be Scottish!!!!
Regards, John Corrigan of 204 Sandy Road, Renfrew. PA4 0JX
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 5:19pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Let's name and shame people who don't put their wheelie bins out on time, drink green tea and suck farts from dead pigeons. Then we could collect all the paper and litter the streets.
Let's name and shame people who don't put their wheelie bins out on time, drink green tea and suck farts from dead pigeons. Then we could collect all the paper and litter the streets.
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 5:20pm Wed 12 Dec 07
What happened to a paperless society?
Ban The Whale
What happened to a paperless society?
Ban The Whale
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 5:23pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John Corrigan of 204 Sandy Road, Renfrew. PA4 0JX
John, I'll pop roon fur tea and we can discuss at length quiffing, paperless society, banning the whalwes and RSI. My fingers are numb from typing so I'll pre-order. Latte with choco topping...marvellous
!
John Corrigan of 204 Sandy Road, Renfrew. PA4 0JX
John, I'll pop roon fur tea and we can discuss at length quiffing, paperless society, banning the whalwes and RSI. My fingers are numb from typing so I'll pre-order. Latte with choco topping...marvellous
!
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 5:25pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John - How Sandy is your road? Is this caused by the beach in nearby Renfrew?
John - How Sandy is your road? Is this caused by the beach in nearby Renfrew?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:36pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]BhoyWunda[/bold] wrote:
John - How Sandy is your road? Is this caused by the beach in nearby Renfrew?[/quote] Opps..
BhoyWunda wrote:
John - How Sandy is your road? Is this caused by the beach in nearby Renfrew?
Opps..
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:46pm Wed 12 Dec 07
LITTER louts beware the whole of Glasgow now knows who you are. Typical labour sound bite dross.
What a pathetic piece of non journalism.
Will the ET ever return to being a news paper?
A new editor is needed me thinks.
LITTER louts beware the whole of Glasgow now knows who you are. Typical labour sound bite dross.
What a pathetic piece of non journalism.
Will the ET ever return to being a news paper?
A new editor is needed me thinks.
Posted by: sioux7, Glasgow on 5:47pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[bold]What about the plans by both Glasgow City Council and GHA, which the Evening Times knows about, to fine EVERY single resident in the Woodside Area, when a rubbish bag gets dumped? And not just to divide the fine, but to issue the whole fine to EVERYBODY, individually, regardless of whether they dumped the rubbish or not? A plan which has backfired on them, having brought it to the attention of every Glasgow City Councillor and MSP, but not before they'd already announced it to the residents as their intention! Why isn't the Evening Times reporting THAT, instead of naming and shaming individuals who dump rubbish? Are Glasgow City Council using the funds raised to pay the Evening Times to advertise their campaign, or are they just going down the road of other gutter press like The Digger instead of reporting the real issues? I'm sure every householder in Glasgow would love to know if they're going to end up in prison, just as with the Poll Tax, for non-payment of these fines, and having committed no criminal action to justify this, instead od reading lists of people's addresses![/bold]
What about the plans by both Glasgow City Council and GHA, which the Evening Times knows about, to fine EVERY single resident in the Woodside Area, when a rubbish bag gets dumped? And not just to divide the fine, but to issue the whole fine to EVERYBODY, individually, regardless of whether they dumped the rubbish or not? A plan which has backfired on them, having brought it to the attention of every Glasgow City Councillor and MSP, but not before they'd already announced it to the residents as their intention! Why isn't the Evening Times reporting THAT, instead of naming and shaming individuals who dump rubbish? Are Glasgow City Council using the funds raised to pay the Evening Times to advertise their campaign, or are they just going down the road of other gutter press like The Digger instead of reporting the real issues? I'm sure every householder in Glasgow would love to know if they're going to end up in prison, just as with the Poll Tax, for non-payment of these fines, and having committed no criminal action to justify this, instead od reading lists of people's addresses! Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 5:56pm Wed 12 Dec 07
So the Nazi Times is unrepentant about their actions yesterday.. even pretending there is widespread support for this 'cause' despite the majority of posters being against this. It says much for the lack of democracy in this god-forsaken country that no politician has the guts (or is allowed) to express a viewpoint which goes against the party line. We now officially no longer live in a free country, it's Fascist nanny-state Scotland, with the Evening Jackboot being the (lying) state newspaper..
So the Nazi Times is unrepentant about their actions yesterday.. even pretending there is widespread support for this 'cause' despite the majority of posters being against this. It says much for the lack of democracy in this god-forsaken country that no politician has the guts (or is allowed) to express a viewpoint which goes against the party line. We now officially no longer live in a free country, it's Fascist nanny-state Scotland, with the Evening Jackboot being the (lying) state newspaper..
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:19pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John are you serious?
Bye the way there is a shop in Dundas st where you can get a pair of wellie,s. You will need them.
John are you serious?
Bye the way there is a shop in Dundas st where you can get a pair of wellie,s. You will need them.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:22pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[bold]If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group?[/bold]
[italic]Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place![/italic]
If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group?
Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place! Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:28pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[bold]If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group?[/bold] [italic]Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place![/italic] [/quote] I have emailed a lot of people, see my earlier post. I think that everyone who has paid a fixed penalty and been named has had their civil liberties infringed. The numbers are growing! They could get a class action going, put in say a fiver a head and get a pretty good legal team?
The Missing City wrote:
If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group? Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place!
I have emailed a lot of people, see my earlier post. I think that everyone who has paid a fixed penalty and been named has had their civil liberties infringed. The numbers are growing! They could get a class action going, put in say a fiver a head and get a pretty good legal team?
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:30pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
So the Nazi Times is unrepentant about their actions yesterday.. even pretending there is widespread support for this 'cause' despite the majority of posters being against this. It says much for the lack of democracy in this god-forsaken country that no politician has the guts (or is allowed) to express a viewpoint which goes against the party line. We now officially no longer live in a free country, it's Fascist nanny-state Scotland, with the Evening Jackboot being the (lying) state newspaper..[/quote] We have democratically removed from this country of the nanny state
labour sleaze and corruption party & the fib/dum/nimby party from government.
It should not be too long before the younger generation of Glaswegians are old enough to VOTE and then we will be rid Glasgow of the stench of corruption and bullying of labour infested GCC.
alexparade wrote:
So the Nazi Times is unrepentant about their actions yesterday.. even pretending there is widespread support for this 'cause' despite the majority of posters being against this. It says much for the lack of democracy in this god-forsaken country that no politician has the guts (or is allowed) to express a viewpoint which goes against the party line. We now officially no longer live in a free country, it's Fascist nanny-state Scotland, with the Evening Jackboot being the (lying) state newspaper..
We have democratically removed from this country of the nanny state
labour sleaze and corruption party & the fib/dum/nimby party from government.
It should not be too long before the younger generation of Glaswegians are old enough to VOTE and then we will be rid Glasgow of the stench of corruption and bullying of labour infested GCC.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:30pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
John are you serious? Bye the way there is a shop in Dundas st where you can get a pair of wellie,s. You will need them.[/quote] Wellies are fine, snorkeling is out!!!!
ex labour voter wrote:
John are you serious? Bye the way there is a shop in Dundas st where you can get a pair of wellie,s. You will need them.
Wellies are fine, snorkeling is out!!!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:31pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [bold]If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group?[/bold] [italic]Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place![/italic] [/quote] I have emailed a lot of people, see my earlier post. I think that everyone who has paid a fixed penalty and been named has had their civil liberties infringed. The numbers are growing! They could get a class action going, put in say a fiver a head and get a pretty good legal team?[/quote] Even better than that John
What about starting a political party, no class, no political persuasion - just a party for the people of Scotland - that would ruffle feathers I bet!
the_missing_city@hot
mail.co.uk
Good Luck to you [bold]ONE AND ALL[/bold]
john wrote:
The Missing City wrote: If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group? Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place!
I have emailed a lot of people, see my earlier post. I think that everyone who has paid a fixed penalty and been named has had their civil liberties infringed. The numbers are growing! They could get a class action going, put in say a fiver a head and get a pretty good legal team?
Even better than that John
What about starting a political party, no class, no political persuasion - just a party for the people of Scotland - that would ruffle feathers I bet!
the_missing_city@hot
mail.co.uk
Good Luck to you
ONE AND ALL Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:41pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[bold]If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group?[/bold] [italic]Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place![/italic] [/quote] The answer is simple, vote labour out of Glasgow.We have kicked them out of holyrood.
When the younger generation of Glaswegians
reach voting age the LABOUR SLEAZE AND CORRUPTION PARTY, WILL BE KICKED RIGHT OUT.
I know this as my 14 year old and his pals have sussed labour out and are **** off with the private houses that now cover their
sports ground.
The Missing City wrote:
If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group? Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place!
The answer is simple, vote labour out of Glasgow.We have kicked them out of holyrood.
When the younger generation of Glaswegians
reach voting age the LABOUR SLEAZE AND CORRUPTION PARTY, WILL BE KICKED RIGHT OUT.
I know this as my 14 year old and his pals have sussed labour out and are **** off with the private houses that now cover their
sports ground.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:42pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [bold]If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group?[/bold] [italic]Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place![/italic] [/quote] I have emailed a lot of people, see my earlier post. I think that everyone who has paid a fixed penalty and been named has had their civil liberties infringed. The numbers are growing! They could get a class action going, put in say a fiver a head and get a pretty good legal team?[/quote] Even better than that John What about starting a political party, no class, no political persuasion - just a party for the people of Scotland - that would ruffle feathers I bet! the_missing_city@hot mail.co.uk Good Luck to you [bold]ONE AND ALL[/bold] [/quote] I kind of believe that if you want to be politician, then you shouldnt be one. Do we really politicians anyway? We have mass communications, we could have a true democracy. Its kinda happening already!!! Lets hope that [italic]they[/italic] dont catch on too fast!!!!
The Missing City wrote:
john wrote: The Missing City wrote: If most people on this page collectively decided to do something about this, what could we all do as a pressure group? Valid comments only please, burning down the house of the Labour Gestapo won't bring any justice, they'll just go and build another one in its place!
I have emailed a lot of people, see my earlier post. I think that everyone who has paid a fixed penalty and been named has had their civil liberties infringed. The numbers are growing! They could get a class action going, put in say a fiver a head and get a pretty good legal team?
Even better than that John What about starting a political party, no class, no political persuasion - just a party for the people of Scotland - that would ruffle feathers I bet! the_missing_city@hot mail.co.uk Good Luck to you ONE AND ALL
I kind of believe that if you want to be politician, then you shouldnt be one. Do we really politicians anyway? We have mass communications, we could have a true democracy. Its kinda happening already!!! Lets hope that
they dont catch on too fast!!!!
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:50pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John of Renfrew, you should definitely set up your own political party, policies could be -
- cracking down on criminals except those criminals who are nice people really and aren't really criminals just people who broke the law a wee bit.
- an end to the fascist jackboot state along with zero tolerance of rank badness.
- free speech together with a clampdown on irresponsible journalism.
- Glasgow City Council required to clean up Sandy Road in Renfrew.
There are certainly many people who would vote for you.
John of Renfrew, you should definitely set up your own political party, policies could be -
- cracking down on criminals except those criminals who are nice people really and aren't really criminals just people who broke the law a wee bit.
- an end to the fascist jackboot state along with zero tolerance of rank badness.
- free speech together with a clampdown on irresponsible journalism.
- Glasgow City Council required to clean up Sandy Road in Renfrew.
There are certainly many people who would vote for you.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:54pm Wed 12 Dec 07
: Johnny Punchclock,You came across as an idiot last night , please move on.
Clown .
That should be labour numpty clown.
: Johnny Punchclock,You came across as an idiot last night , please move on.
Clown .
That should be labour numpty clown.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:57pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John of Renfrew, thanks for reprinting your letter to your constituency MSP.
You clarify the legal point that the City Council has specific powers to publicise the names of people who have admitted their offence and paid a fixed penalty, in lieu of going before the court and pleading not guilty. This reminds us that nobody has to pay the penalty if they want to contest the charge.
They can opt to stand trial for the criminal offence of littering, in which case they run the same risk as any other accused person of the prosecution and trial being reported.
You have dispelled any worries people may have had about the legality of all this. Thank you for that.
John of Renfrew, thanks for reprinting your letter to your constituency MSP.
You clarify the legal point that the City Council has specific powers to publicise the names of people who have admitted their offence and paid a fixed penalty, in lieu of going before the court and pleading not guilty. This reminds us that nobody has to pay the penalty if they want to contest the charge.
They can opt to stand trial for the criminal offence of littering, in which case they run the same risk as any other accused person of the prosecution and trial being reported.
You have dispelled any worries people may have had about the legality of all this. Thank you for that.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:00pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Ex-labour voter, you do seem to prefer to play the man rather than the ball. I suppose it must be more satisfying to vent your frustration and anger on people rather than their ideas.
I imagine that if I had contrived to suggest that I was a labour supporter opposed to this process of naming and shaming litter louts you would have had a go at me for that too.
But please, don't let me distract you from your ecstatic hatred.
Ex-labour voter, you do seem to prefer to play the man rather than the ball. I suppose it must be more satisfying to vent your frustration and anger on people rather than their ideas.
I imagine that if I had contrived to suggest that I was a labour supporter opposed to this process of naming and shaming litter louts you would have had a go at me for that too.
But please, don't let me distract you from your ecstatic hatred.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 7:02pm Wed 12 Dec 07
All these people who have been named and shamed definitely have grounds to sue the ET...
To do so would be pretty expensive though,and that is why they can get away with this "rubbish" ...
All these people who have been named and shamed definitely have grounds to sue the ET...
To do so would be pretty expensive though,and that is why they can get away with this "rubbish" ...
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 7:02pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Johnny Punchclock
WTF did you read, it certainly does not discribe Johns post.
Johnny Punchclock
WTF did you read, it certainly does not discribe Johns post.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 7:06pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Dear
Johnny Punchclock
I do not hate you , I feel sorry for you.
Sarcasim is a labour traite, it is not your fault that you have been sucked into posting mince.
Dear
Johnny Punchclock
I do not hate you , I feel sorry for you.
Sarcasim is a labour traite, it is not your fault that you have been sucked into posting mince.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:12pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Roor06 - what grounds would these be?
They have admitted that they dropped litter, which is a criminal offence. Criminals don't normally enjoy secrecy.
They have gone so far as to pay a voluntary statutory penalty, in lieu of being prosecuted for it.
The City Council has specific statutory powers to publicise, as John from Renfrew has pointed out in his helpful correspondence with his MSP following a conversation with a lawyer working for the city Council which he reports at length.
This is an example of justice being seen to be done. I can't see any grounds for successful legal action. But they're welcome to try - Glasgow has many lawyers who would be both willing and able to take ther money.
Roor06 - what grounds would these be?
They have admitted that they dropped litter, which is a criminal offence. Criminals don't normally enjoy secrecy.
They have gone so far as to pay a voluntary statutory penalty, in lieu of being prosecuted for it.
The City Council has specific statutory powers to publicise, as John from Renfrew has pointed out in his helpful correspondence with his MSP following a conversation with a lawyer working for the city Council which he reports at length.
This is an example of justice being seen to be done. I can't see any grounds for successful legal action. But they're welcome to try - Glasgow has many lawyers who would be both willing and able to take ther money.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:13pm Wed 12 Dec 07
How can you be sucked into posting mince? It sounds a bit rude, and not at all enjoyable.
How can you be sucked into posting mince? It sounds a bit rude, and not at all enjoyable.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 7:16pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
John of Renfrew, thanks for reprinting your letter to your constituency MSP. You clarify the legal point that the City Council has specific powers to publicise the names of people who have admitted their offence and paid a fixed penalty, in lieu of going before the court and pleading not guilty. This reminds us that nobody has to pay the penalty if they want to contest the charge. They can opt to stand trial for the criminal offence of littering, in which case they run the same risk as any other accused person of the prosecution and trial being reported. You have dispelled any worries people may have had about the legality of all this. Thank you for that.[/quote] But, Mr Punchclock your intentially missing the point. They DONT have these powers unless you are found guilty in a court of law, not by some wee jobsworth in a bright orange jacket. [bold]Can you recognise the subtle legal difference here????[/bold] It is also Glasgow Council who are opting out of legally prosecuting people AND who are then ILLEGALLY PUTTING PEOPLES NAMES AND ADDRESSES IN THE PAPER!!!
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
John of Renfrew, thanks for reprinting your letter to your constituency MSP. You clarify the legal point that the City Council has specific powers to publicise the names of people who have admitted their offence and paid a fixed penalty, in lieu of going before the court and pleading not guilty. This reminds us that nobody has to pay the penalty if they want to contest the charge. They can opt to stand trial for the criminal offence of littering, in which case they run the same risk as any other accused person of the prosecution and trial being reported. You have dispelled any worries people may have had about the legality of all this. Thank you for that.
But, Mr Punchclock your intentially missing the point. They DONT have these powers unless you are found guilty in a court of law, not by some wee jobsworth in a bright orange jacket.
Can you recognise the subtle legal difference here???? It is also Glasgow Council who are opting out of legally prosecuting people AND who are then ILLEGALLY PUTTING PEOPLES NAMES AND ADDRESSES IN THE PAPER!!!
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 7:29pm Wed 12 Dec 07
john.
punchclock is a labour troll, best to try and ignore him/her /it them.
john.
punchclock is a labour troll, best to try and ignore him/her /it them.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:38pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John of Renfrew, the power cited by the Council officer allows them to take such steps as they think appropriate for making the effect of the legislation above known to the public in their area. It doesn't say that people have to have been convicted in court. These people have admitted their guilt and paid the penalty to avoid being prosecuted, and this is what is being publicised.
If the City Council and the Evening Times, and I are wrong, then no doubt some aggrieved party will persuade the court of this. Masybe the leafleteers for whom life is becoming a bit less comfortable.
Meanwhile this is a popular policy endorsed by 74% of those who bothered to express an opinion in the Evening Times online opinion poll, and opposed by some noisy people with various axes to grind. It helps keep the city centre clean and the citizens honest, and I hope this approach moves out to the suburbs as soon as possible.
John of Renfrew, the power cited by the Council officer allows them to take such steps as they think appropriate for making the effect of the legislation above known to the public in their area. It doesn't say that people have to have been convicted in court. These people have admitted their guilt and paid the penalty to avoid being prosecuted, and this is what is being publicised.
If the City Council and the Evening Times, and I are wrong, then no doubt some aggrieved party will persuade the court of this. Masybe the leafleteers for whom life is becoming a bit less comfortable.
Meanwhile this is a popular policy endorsed by 74% of those who bothered to express an opinion in the Evening Times online opinion poll, and opposed by some noisy people with various axes to grind. It helps keep the city centre clean and the citizens honest, and I hope this approach moves out to the suburbs as soon as possible.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 7:38pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
john. punchclock is a labour troll, best to try and ignore him/her /it them. [/quote] Do you think he is a plant? Does he work for the ET or worse...one of them!!! A warden?
ex labour voter wrote:
john. punchclock is a labour troll, best to try and ignore him/her /it them.
Do you think he is a plant? Does he work for the ET or worse...one of them!!! A warden?
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 7:38pm Wed 12 Dec 07
"criminal" !!! I rest my case ...
"criminal" !!! I rest my case ...
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:42pm Wed 12 Dec 07
If I were a plant what kind of plant would I be? A Japanese knotweed, maybe. I'd like to think of myself as a fragrant orchid, but with jaggy bits.
No, I'm not a journalist, or a litter warden, just a well informed citizen who takes a strong interest in current affairs.
If I were a plant what kind of plant would I be? A Japanese knotweed, maybe. I'd like to think of myself as a fragrant orchid, but with jaggy bits.
No, I'm not a journalist, or a litter warden, just a well informed citizen who takes a strong interest in current affairs.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:48pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
"criminal" !!! I rest my case ...[/quote] Your case is, I think, that dropping litter isn't really a crime, and that the authorities ought not to be as vigorous as they currently are in prosecuting it. The present administration, and in particlar Cllr. Purcell, fought and won the election on the basis of these policies, however, so they ought not to be blamed for delivering on their promises. This is a very popular policy, except with those who have been caught dropping litter.
If you want to see a political party in power that will fight for high tolerance of litter there's nothing stopping you for voting for it at the next election. It has already been suggested that John from Renfrew lead such a policy to victory at the polls - "For an Untidier Glasgow (and Sandy Road in Renfrew)!"
If he's looking for a spin doctor, I am sure that ex-labour voter would leap at the chance.
roor06 wrote:
"criminal" !!! I rest my case ...
Your case is, I think, that dropping litter isn't really a crime, and that the authorities ought not to be as vigorous as they currently are in prosecuting it. The present administration, and in particlar Cllr. Purcell, fought and won the election on the basis of these policies, however, so they ought not to be blamed for delivering on their promises. This is a very popular policy, except with those who have been caught dropping litter.
If you want to see a political party in power that will fight for high tolerance of litter there's nothing stopping you for voting for it at the next election. It has already been suggested that John from Renfrew lead such a policy to victory at the polls - "For an Untidier Glasgow (and Sandy Road in Renfrew)!"
If he's looking for a spin doctor, I am sure that ex-labour voter would leap at the chance.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 7:50pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
If I were a plant what kind of plant would I be? A Japanese knotweed, maybe. I'd like to think of myself as a fragrant orchid, but with jaggy bits. No, I'm not a journalist, or a litter warden, just a well informed citizen who takes a strong interest in current affairs. [/quote] Okay, okay, were not here to slag each other. My apologies.
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
If I were a plant what kind of plant would I be? A Japanese knotweed, maybe. I'd like to think of myself as a fragrant orchid, but with jaggy bits. No, I'm not a journalist, or a litter warden, just a well informed citizen who takes a strong interest in current affairs.
Okay, okay, were not here to slag each other. My apologies.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:53pm Wed 12 Dec 07
To be fair I would be proud to be a journalist or a litter warden. Nothing wrong with these jobs, difficult and poorly rewarded and regarded as they are.
To be fair I would be proud to be a journalist or a litter warden. Nothing wrong with these jobs, difficult and poorly rewarded and regarded as they are.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:03pm Wed 12 Dec 07
As to your earlier post,[italic] Cllr. Purcell, fought and won the election on the basis of these policies[/italic]. Is not more likely that he had something the other candidates did not? A labour ticket???? In Glasgow, a monkey would (and has) got elected with said ticket!!!
As to your earlier post,
Cllr. Purcell, fought and won the election on the basis of these policies. Is not more likely that he had something the other candidates did not? A labour ticket???? In Glasgow, a monkey would (and has) got elected with said ticket!!!
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 8:15pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Fair enough Mr Punchclock,got a bit all "american there" ...
Littering is a filthy habit,but thats all it is,a habit...
More education has to be done in schools about respecting your environment ...
Ex street sweeper/bell st,glasgow ...
Fair enough Mr Punchclock,got a bit all "american there" ...
Littering is a filthy habit,but thats all it is,a habit...
More education has to be done in schools about respecting your environment ...
Ex street sweeper/bell st,glasgow ...
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 8:16pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Just googled the troll punchclock there is plenty more on google.Meanwhile here is a sample Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 9:55pm Thu 22 Nov 07
Johnny Punchclock is typical of what the Labour Party is like-any time you disagree with them they degenerate into insults and abuse. What was that spindoctor's name?
Johnny Punchclock is typical of what the Labour Party is like-any time you disagree with them they degenerate into insults and abuse.
What was that spindoctor's name?
Just googled the troll punchclock there is plenty more on google.Meanwhile here is a sample Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 9:55pm Thu 22 Nov 07
Johnny Punchclock is typical of what the Labour Party is like-any time you disagree with them they degenerate into insults and abuse. What was that spindoctor's name?
Johnny Punchclock is typical of what the Labour Party is like-any time you disagree with them they degenerate into insults and abuse.
What was that spindoctor's name?
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 8:17pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I know his answer will be , A wee boy did it and ran away.
I know his answer will be , A wee boy did it and ran away.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 8:21pm Wed 12 Dec 07
There is a peculiar notion that Glasgow voters are somehow programmed to vote Labour and have no choice in the matter, and that the votes of Glaswegians are somehow worth less. Not true in Glasgow, any more than it is in Renfrewshire or anywhere else. The miraculous thing is that despite an electoral system designed expressly to remove labour dominance in local councils, labour candidates won more seats in Glasgow than any other party.
Cllr. Purcell went to the polls with a very public commitment to cleaning up the city. The voters could have kicked labour out as they did in Renfrewshire but of course they chose not to. No doubt you will be reaping the benefits of SNP-Lib Dem rule in Sandy Road. His party won the election because more people voted for his party than any other.
There is a peculiar notion that Glasgow voters are somehow programmed to vote Labour and have no choice in the matter, and that the votes of Glaswegians are somehow worth less. Not true in Glasgow, any more than it is in Renfrewshire or anywhere else. The miraculous thing is that despite an electoral system designed expressly to remove labour dominance in local councils, labour candidates won more seats in Glasgow than any other party.
Cllr. Purcell went to the polls with a very public commitment to cleaning up the city. The voters could have kicked labour out as they did in Renfrewshire but of course they chose not to. No doubt you will be reaping the benefits of SNP-Lib Dem rule in Sandy Road. His party won the election because more people voted for his party than any other.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 8:28pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John,
A monkey has more morals than Purcell.
John,
A monkey has more morals than Purcell.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 8:30pm Wed 12 Dec 07
ex labour voter, I'm sorry if you thought anything I said about you or anyone else amounted to insults and abuse. That was not my intention. I generally take the view that it's never a good idea to engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Still, I suppose that I must take it as a compliment that you are so stimulated by my modest remarks that you bothered to google my nom de ploom. I wonder whether I have found a fan, or a stalker?
ex labour voter, I'm sorry if you thought anything I said about you or anyone else amounted to insults and abuse. That was not my intention. I generally take the view that it's never a good idea to engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Still, I suppose that I must take it as a compliment that you are so stimulated by my modest remarks that you bothered to google my nom de ploom. I wonder whether I have found a fan, or a stalker?
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 8:32pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I take back what i said, when i posted "fair enough" ...
Its not fair,never has been ...
But to be publically branded a criminal in a local newspaper is over the top ...
The fact all these people paid these fines suggests that its the hard working taxpayer thats being targeted ...
I take back what i said, when i posted "fair enough" ...
Its not fair,never has been ...
But to be publically branded a criminal in a local newspaper is over the top ...
The fact all these people paid these fines suggests that its the hard working taxpayer thats being targeted ...
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:39pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Do you really think that people trust the politicians after all that has happened recently in the world? Look at Iraq and the great labor WMD swindle!! Here's an example: Why do you think they back the conspiracy theory that Carbon causes global warming? Mo Money and mo taxes. They dont even discuss the real probable cause water vapor. Why do most people want into politics, money, junkets, sexual favours. Scumbags the lot of them
Do you really think that people trust the politicians after all that has happened recently in the world? Look at Iraq and the great labor WMD swindle!! Here's an example: Why do you think they back the conspiracy theory that Carbon causes global warming? Mo Money and mo taxes. They dont even discuss the real probable cause water vapor. Why do most people want into politics, money, junkets, sexual favours. Scumbags the lot of them
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 8:46pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Yes, roor6, but they always had a choice not to do it.
There is a strain of thought that only "bad people" do crimes and should face punishment, and "nice people" should get away with less punshment. This is often said about things like speeding and parking offences, for example. The shrieks of outrage when people are asked to pay a fine or statutory penalty for breaking the law by parking where or when they ought not to, or for being caught speeding, strikes me as hypocritical. We are all subject to the law and we are all equally expected to obey it and should all accept the consequences of not doing so.
There were rightly complaints when those young men who had previously attended Hutcheson's school got away with pretty serious thuggery by being made to do community service, when we know young men from Camlachie or wherever would have been locked up.
The Sheriff gave them credit for coming from a "good background" and most of us felt that stunk. So why should "nice people" get away with committing an admittedly milder offence with impunity? If the law is to be respected it needs to be enforced equally. Most citizens understand and appreciate this.
I'm sorry about going on about this at length, but a culture of impunity about petty crime has been around for a long time and moves to crack down need to be welcomed. All we need to do to not get caught is to take great care not to drop litter, including fag ends, leaflets, receipts, and the like. Gentle education has been tried for years and hasn't worked.
People are still complaining that the Council doesn't clean up after them while not recognising that if they didn't drop litter in the first place there would be less of a problem to start with. And that is just the adults. How are we going to confront the carelessness of the younger generation if adults show contempt for the law on litter? Time for grown ups to grow up.
Yes, roor6, but they always had a choice not to do it.
There is a strain of thought that only "bad people" do crimes and should face punishment, and "nice people" should get away with less punshment. This is often said about things like speeding and parking offences, for example. The shrieks of outrage when people are asked to pay a fine or statutory penalty for breaking the law by parking where or when they ought not to, or for being caught speeding, strikes me as hypocritical. We are all subject to the law and we are all equally expected to obey it and should all accept the consequences of not doing so.
There were rightly complaints when those young men who had previously attended Hutcheson's school got away with pretty serious thuggery by being made to do community service, when we know young men from Camlachie or wherever would have been locked up.
The Sheriff gave them credit for coming from a "good background" and most of us felt that stunk. So why should "nice people" get away with committing an admittedly milder offence with impunity? If the law is to be respected it needs to be enforced equally. Most citizens understand and appreciate this.
I'm sorry about going on about this at length, but a culture of impunity about petty crime has been around for a long time and moves to crack down need to be welcomed. All we need to do to not get caught is to take great care not to drop litter, including fag ends, leaflets, receipts, and the like. Gentle education has been tried for years and hasn't worked.
People are still complaining that the Council doesn't clean up after them while not recognising that if they didn't drop litter in the first place there would be less of a problem to start with. And that is just the adults. How are we going to confront the carelessness of the younger generation if adults show contempt for the law on litter? Time for grown ups to grow up.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:48pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
John, A monkey has more morals than Purcell. [/quote] And probably smells better?
ex labour voter wrote:
John, A monkey has more morals than Purcell.
And probably smells better?
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 8:53pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John, you complain about politicians being scumbags, and are presented with a politician who said he'd do somehing if elected, got elected, and is now doing exactly what he said he'd do! They can't win.
I'm not sure about your reference about water vapour. Do you mean the Dihydrogen Monoxide scandal? See [italic]www.dhmo.org[/italic] for details.
John, you complain about politicians being scumbags, and are presented with a politician who said he'd do somehing if elected, got elected, and is now doing exactly what he said he'd do! They can't win.
I'm not sure about your reference about water vapour. Do you mean the Dihydrogen Monoxide scandal? See
www.dhmo.org for details.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 8:58pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Yeah, Johnny Punchclock lets crucify people for dropping a fag end. And then, I will tell what we will do. Labor politicians who lie to their voters, get them into a false war, cause millions of deaths... Well lets see, I know we will give them a cushy number ermm lets see. what about un envoy to the middle east? That do?
Yeah, Johnny Punchclock lets crucify people for dropping a fag end. And then, I will tell what we will do. Labor politicians who lie to their voters, get them into a false war, cause millions of deaths... Well lets see, I know we will give them a cushy number ermm lets see. what about un envoy to the middle east? That do?
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Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:02pm Wed 12 Dec 07
John, that's just whataboutery, and I do think thst crucifixion is a bit of an over-reaction.
I see that it's time for ex labour voter's bed. I hope he doesn't have exams tomorrow!
John, that's just whataboutery, and I do think thst crucifixion is a bit of an over-reaction.
I see that it's time for ex labour voter's bed. I hope he doesn't have exams tomorrow!
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 9:05pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Puskas east kilbride.....I'll tell you why Singapore is so clean the people who live there have a city to br proud of unlike most Glaswegians whose city has been desimated,run down ,badly managed vandalised by 'build a mess'architechs the soul that glasgow once had has been ripped out and sold like a 'pun' of mince to the to the highest bidder....
Puskas east kilbride.....I'll tell you why Singapore is so clean the people who live there have a city to br proud of unlike most Glaswegians whose city has been desimated,run down ,badly managed vandalised by 'build a mess'architechs the soul that glasgow once had has been ripped out and sold like a 'pun' of mince to the to the highest bidder....
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 9:07pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Mr punchclock, you are missing the hidden agenda behind all this ...
The people have no rights anymore ...
Mr punchclock, you are missing the hidden agenda behind all this ...
The people have no rights anymore ...
Posted by: john, renfrew on 9:07pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
John, you complain about politicians being scumbags, and are presented with a politician who said he'd do somehing if elected, got elected, and is now doing exactly what he said he'd do! They can't win. I'm not sure about your reference about water vapour. Do you mean the Dihydrogen Monoxide scandal? See [italic]www.dhmo.org[/italic] for details.[/quote] Not Dihydrogen Monoxide, common or garden water. Some scientist say carbon, some say water vapour is the cause of global warming. I have looked at both arguments, the water vapor argument is certainly more convincing. But, what do the politicos go, lets guess, the one which cost us more taxes and creates more worry.
A simple sum:
Carbon = more money
more worry = more need for politicians
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
John, you complain about politicians being scumbags, and are presented with a politician who said he'd do somehing if elected, got elected, and is now doing exactly what he said he'd do! They can't win. I'm not sure about your reference about water vapour. Do you mean the Dihydrogen Monoxide scandal? See www.dhmo.org for details.
Not Dihydrogen Monoxide, common or garden water. Some scientist say carbon, some say water vapour is the cause of global warming. I have looked at both arguments, the water vapor argument is certainly more convincing. But, what do the politicos go, lets guess, the one which cost us more taxes and creates more worry.
A simple sum:
Carbon = more money
more worry = more need for politicians
Posted by: Deefie Dougie, South Lanarkshire on 9:22pm Wed 12 Dec 07
I wish the cooncil wid spend mer time getting rid o the violence in Glesga, its mer o a disgrace than litter is.
I wish the cooncil wid spend mer time getting rid o the violence in Glesga, its mer o a disgrace than litter is.
Posted by: spomo, Glasgow on 9:24pm Wed 12 Dec 07
If people are signing the praises of the litter wardens, the litter wardens and the council will generate lots more revenue, if they start issuing penalties to people who are just coming out of night clubs.
Gordon Street at Central Station and the Taxi rank is disgusting. with discarded food from the chippys and fast food places. and hopefully someone will be fined for being sick (ok its not litter as such but its still disgusting to see on the street)
do you think the council will do that or is that idea far too sensible to be implemented?
If people are signing the praises of the litter wardens, the litter wardens and the council will generate lots more revenue, if they start issuing penalties to people who are just coming out of night clubs.
Gordon Street at Central Station and the Taxi rank is disgusting. with discarded food from the chippys and fast food places. and hopefully someone will be fined for being sick (ok its not litter as such but its still disgusting to see on the street)
do you think the council will do that or is that idea far too sensible to be implemented?
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 9:26pm Wed 12 Dec 07
JOHNNYPUNCHCLOCK....
Is it not time you clocked out..EX LABOUR..you say a monkey has more morals than mr purcell I would go further the lowest form of life on the planet, yes Ido mean all labour councillors have less morals than three brass monkeys....
JOHNNYPUNCHCLOCK....
Is it not time you clocked out..EX LABOUR..you say a monkey has more morals than mr purcell I would go further the lowest form of life on the planet, yes Ido mean all labour councillors have less morals than three brass monkeys....
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:28pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote]I have looked at both arguments, the water vapor argument is certainly more convincing.[/quote] I had literally never heard that before. That probably proved there is a conspiracy to suppress information about it. I googled "Steam - the hidden enemy" and am none the wiser.
I have looked at both arguments, the water vapor argument is certainly more convincing.
I had literally never heard that before. That probably proved there is a conspiracy to suppress information about it. I googled "Steam - the hidden enemy" and am none the wiser.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:32pm Wed 12 Dec 07
ex labour voter - I hope you enjoyed your nap. I generally think the less that politicians share about their personal and private lives the better. I certainly don't want to know where your bits have been and even if you ask I'm not prepared to share the dreadful truth about mine. And so it should be with politicians. [italic]Honny swah key mally ponce[/italic] as our own dear Queen says.
ex labour voter - I hope you enjoyed your nap. I generally think the less that politicians share about their personal and private lives the better. I certainly don't want to know where your bits have been and even if you ask I'm not prepared to share the dreadful truth about mine. And so it should be with politicians.
Honny swah key mally ponce as our own dear Queen says.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:37pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Spomo, I do agree with you. However, the City Council wants to see a Vibrant City Centre which does seem to involve loads of appalling drunks rolling around, making life awful for the rest of us, and I doubt if they would tackle this right now. That's a shame in my opinion.
Spomo, I do agree with you. However, the City Council wants to see a Vibrant City Centre which does seem to involve loads of appalling drunks rolling around, making life awful for the rest of us, and I doubt if they would tackle this right now. That's a shame in my opinion.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 9:37pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Johnny Punchclock. Try googling: global warming water vapor
Have a read at this national geographic article:
http://news.national
geographic.com/news/
2005/11/1110_051110_
warming.html
Get wise to their lies!!!!
Johnny Punchclock. Try googling: global warming water vapor
Have a read at this national geographic article:
http://news.national
geographic.com/news/
2005/11/1110_051110_
warming.html
Get wise to their lies!!!!
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 9:41pm Wed 12 Dec 07
The dreadful comment truth is enough for me.
The dreadful comment truth is enough for me.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 9:43pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote:
I wish the cooncil wid spend mer time getting rid o the violence in Glesga, its mer o a disgrace than litter is.[/quote] Absolutely Dougie!!!! They couldve spent the money for this petty campagn on more police. And, you know what, polis can stop folk littering too, hurrahhh!
Deefie Dougie wrote:
I wish the cooncil wid spend mer time getting rid o the violence in Glesga, its mer o a disgrace than litter is.
Absolutely Dougie!!!! They couldve spent the money for this petty campagn on more police. And, you know what, polis can stop folk littering too, hurrahhh!
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:44pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Thanks john - read the article, Interesting. But it doesn't say that CO2 isn't the major factor in global warming, it just says that water vapour is a major contributor in central Europe.
But let's ban steam engines anyway!
Thanks john - read the article, Interesting. But it doesn't say that CO2 isn't the major factor in global warming, it just says that water vapour is a major contributor in central Europe.
But let's ban steam engines anyway!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 9:52pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
Thanks john - read the article, Interesting. But it doesn't say that CO2 isn't the major factor in global warming, it just says that water vapour is a major contributor in central Europe. But let's ban steam engines anyway![/quote] No problem. Yes, it doesnt out H2O entirely! As always, you have to read between the lines. I do not think that the national geographic would be bold enough, its too establishment america. What the establishment says goes. But when the National Geographic starts to point the finger, well that should be enough to make one think?
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Thanks john - read the article, Interesting. But it doesn't say that CO2 isn't the major factor in global warming, it just says that water vapour is a major contributor in central Europe. But let's ban steam engines anyway!
No problem. Yes, it doesnt out H2O entirely! As always, you have to read between the lines. I do not think that the national geographic would be bold enough, its too establishment america. What the establishment says goes. But when the National Geographic starts to point the finger, well that should be enough to make one think?
Posted by: IainGlasgow07, glasgow on 10:56pm Wed 12 Dec 07
Are they printing just names or addresses as well? If so and someone gets "litter lout" sprayed on their front door by some vigilante doesn't that make the Evening Times guilty of incitement to vandalism? Or worse - does the ET want to be committing incitement to assault as well??
Are they printing just names or addresses as well? If so and someone gets "litter lout" sprayed on their front door by some vigilante doesn't that make the Evening Times guilty of incitement to vandalism? Or worse - does the ET want to be committing incitement to assault as well??
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 11:16pm Wed 12 Dec 07
With apoligies to will fyfe..
"I belong to glasgow
dirty old glasgow toon
there's plenty that wrong with glasgow
it's going from ruin to ruin
i'm only a council tax payer
and not like some I know
But when I see who's running the city today
it's enough to make you spew""""
With apoligies to will fyfe..
"I belong to glasgow
dirty old glasgow toon
there's plenty that wrong with glasgow
it's going from ruin to ruin
i'm only a council tax payer
and not like some I know
But when I see who's running the city today
it's enough to make you spew""""
Posted by: Billy, Expensive Green Place on 11:30pm Wed 12 Dec 07
If I understand this correctly, that the Evening Times & dear old GCC are going to reveal FULL ADDRESSES (surely not, I genuinely hope I have picked this up wrong) of litter-droppers, then a legal challenge from one of the aforementioned would surely prove interesting with regards to data-protection laws, unless I'm missing something out.
You know what, I'm still not finding the motivation to buy the Evening Times ever again just to see whether the full addresses ARE being printed.
What a petty little paper for an increasingly petty little city.
If I understand this correctly, that the Evening Times & dear old GCC are going to reveal FULL ADDRESSES (surely not, I genuinely hope I have picked this up wrong) of litter-droppers, then a legal challenge from one of the aforementioned would surely prove interesting with regards to data-protection laws, unless I'm missing something out.
You know what, I'm still not finding the motivation to buy the Evening Times ever again just to see whether the full addresses ARE being printed.
What a petty little paper for an increasingly petty little city.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 11:47pm Wed 12 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Billy[/bold] wrote:
If I understand this correctly, that the Evening Times & dear old GCC are going to reveal FULL ADDRESSES (surely not, I genuinely hope I have picked this up wrong) of litter-droppers, then a legal challenge from one of the aforementioned would surely prove interesting with regards to data-protection laws, unless I'm missing something out. You know what, I'm still not finding the motivation to buy the Evening Times ever again just to see whether the full addresses ARE being printed. What a petty little paper for an increasingly petty little city.[/quote] I agree, we live in a horrible little tattle tale toon. And Whats the name of the editor of this paper, Herr Goebels? The SS would be proud of him!!!! In any decent town he would be ran out on a railway sleeper along with the leaders of glasgow council!!!!
Billy, these details are listed electronically also. Most of these people have not been prosecuted having paid their extortion fee. As such, they have admitted no liability and remain innocent in the eyes of the law. So there must be data protection issues, their civil liberties have certainly been blasted.
Billy wrote:
If I understand this correctly, that the Evening Times & dear old GCC are going to reveal FULL ADDRESSES (surely not, I genuinely hope I have picked this up wrong) of litter-droppers, then a legal challenge from one of the aforementioned would surely prove interesting with regards to data-protection laws, unless I'm missing something out. You know what, I'm still not finding the motivation to buy the Evening Times ever again just to see whether the full addresses ARE being printed. What a petty little paper for an increasingly petty little city.
I agree, we live in a horrible little tattle tale toon. And Whats the name of the editor of this paper, Herr Goebels? The SS would be proud of him!!!! In any decent town he would be ran out on a railway sleeper along with the leaders of glasgow council!!!!
Billy, these details are listed electronically also. Most of these people have not been prosecuted having paid their extortion fee. As such, they have admitted no liability and remain innocent in the eyes of the law. So there must be data protection issues, their civil liberties have certainly been blasted.
Posted by: tonzod, glasgow on 2:41am Thu 13 Dec 07
as a serving enforcement officer with GCSS, the one's who are issuing the majority of the tickets, as opposed to the litter wardens whom you credited in your article, I feel it is inappropriate to name the littering offenders. They have already been penalised for thier offence, namely a £50 fixed penalty which they have paid. Would it not have been more appropriate to name the offender's who have not paid, or name the members of the public who verbally and physically abuse us on a daily basis. Myself and my fellow officers feel that by printing the list of names increases the risk to ourselves out on the street, people will be less likley to submit thier details if they feel there is a risk of thier names and addresses appearing in print and more likely to be aggressive towards us. I wish to make it clear that we are not litter wardens and our duties go a lot further than just targeting "litter louts", we have been deployed to combat gang violence, street drinking, public reassurance and much more. Although we are behind the evening times's campain we feel it would be better for all concerned if we were asked before any articles were printed about us. We being the enforcement officers out on the street issuing tickets, not management.
as a serving enforcement officer with GCSS, the one's who are issuing the majority of the tickets, as opposed to the litter wardens whom you credited in your article, I feel it is inappropriate to name the littering offenders. They have already been penalised for thier offence, namely a £50 fixed penalty which they have paid. Would it not have been more appropriate to name the offender's who have not paid, or name the members of the public who verbally and physically abuse us on a daily basis. Myself and my fellow officers feel that by printing the list of names increases the risk to ourselves out on the street, people will be less likley to submit thier details if they feel there is a risk of thier names and addresses appearing in print and more likely to be aggressive towards us. I wish to make it clear that we are not litter wardens and our duties go a lot further than just targeting "litter louts", we have been deployed to combat gang violence, street drinking, public reassurance and much more. Although we are behind the evening times's campain we feel it would be better for all concerned if we were asked before any articles were printed about us. We being the enforcement officers out on the street issuing tickets, not management.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:12am Thu 13 Dec 07
[quote][bold]tonzod[/bold] wrote:
as a serving enforcement officer with GCSS, the one's who are issuing the majority of the tickets, as opposed to the litter wardens whom you credited in your article, I feel it is inappropriate to name the littering offenders. They have already been penalised for thier offence, namely a £50 fixed penalty which they have paid. Would it not have been more appropriate to name the offender's who have not paid, or name the members of the public who verbally and physically abuse us on a daily basis. Myself and my fellow officers feel that by printing the list of names increases the risk to ourselves out on the street, people will be less likley to submit thier details if they feel there is a risk of thier names and addresses appearing in print and more likely to be aggressive towards us. I wish to make it clear that we are not litter wardens and our duties go a lot further than just targeting "litter louts", we have been deployed to combat gang violence, street drinking, public reassurance and much more. Although we are behind the evening times's campain we feel it would be better for all concerned if we were asked before any articles were printed about us. We being the enforcement officers out on the street issuing tickets, not management.[/quote] [bold]You've heard it from The Horses Mouth Dear Evening Times of Glasgow City Council - End of Story[/bold]
tonzod wrote:
as a serving enforcement officer with GCSS, the one's who are issuing the majority of the tickets, as opposed to the litter wardens whom you credited in your article, I feel it is inappropriate to name the littering offenders. They have already been penalised for thier offence, namely a £50 fixed penalty which they have paid. Would it not have been more appropriate to name the offender's who have not paid, or name the members of the public who verbally and physically abuse us on a daily basis. Myself and my fellow officers feel that by printing the list of names increases the risk to ourselves out on the street, people will be less likley to submit thier details if they feel there is a risk of thier names and addresses appearing in print and more likely to be aggressive towards us. I wish to make it clear that we are not litter wardens and our duties go a lot further than just targeting "litter louts", we have been deployed to combat gang violence, street drinking, public reassurance and much more. Although we are behind the evening times's campain we feel it would be better for all concerned if we were asked before any articles were printed about us. We being the enforcement officers out on the street issuing tickets, not management.
You've heard it from The Horses Mouth Dear Evening Times of Glasgow City Council - End of Story Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 9:25am Thu 13 Dec 07
tonzod, Glasgow.
Fair point tonzod... Now all I will says is name them all. All offences... Nae bother I found it easy to come to that conclusion..
I shall also say why are their so many who denounce their city by feeble comment. Some seem to be more considerate of the litter lout and ned when action has been taken against them.
If the education process that failed at home, and then during education at school has to start by fines and naming so be it.
I include all crime in these remarks.
Is it possible we have some posters on this comment board who take more pride in being litter louts and neds. It seems likely.
Now is Wendy Bendy and big Broon Nose and there associates in crime going to be brought to justice by the courts.
The Nu Labour party for sleaze and corruption will be ousted at the next GE... As ex Labour that should sadden me ... Hardly everything we fought hard for from the 60's has been thrown away by the Nu Labour/Tories.
Hi what about the Glasgow Nu Labour MP's who voted for Post Office closures and are now saying their gathering names on a petition.. LOL you couldny' mak it up..
tonzod, Glasgow.
Fair point tonzod... Now all I will says is name them all. All offences... Nae bother I found it easy to come to that conclusion..
I shall also say why are their so many who denounce their city by feeble comment. Some seem to be more considerate of the litter lout and ned when action has been taken against them.
If the education process that failed at home, and then during education at school has to start by fines and naming so be it.
I include all crime in these remarks.
Is it possible we have some posters on this comment board who take more pride in being litter louts and neds. It seems likely.
Now is Wendy Bendy and big Broon Nose and there associates in crime going to be brought to justice by the courts.
The Nu Labour party for sleaze and corruption will be ousted at the next GE... As ex Labour that should sadden me ... Hardly everything we fought hard for from the 60's has been thrown away by the Nu Labour/Tories.
Hi what about the Glasgow Nu Labour MP's who voted for Post Office closures and are now saying their gathering names on a petition.. LOL you couldny' mak it up..
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 11:02am Thu 13 Dec 07
[quote]as a serving enforcement officer with GCSS, the one's who are issuing the majority of the tickets, as opposed to the litter wardens whom you credited in your article, I feel it is inappropriate to name the littering offenders. They have already been penalised for thier offence, namely a £50 fixed penalty which they have paid. Would it not have been more appropriate to name the offender's who have not paid, or name the members of the public who verbally and physically abuse us on a daily basis. Myself and my fellow officers feel that by printing the list of names increases the risk to ourselves out on the street, people will be less likley to submit thier details if they feel there is a risk of thier names and addresses appearing in print and more likely to be aggressive towards us. I wish to make it clear that we are not litter wardens and our duties go a lot further than just targeting "litter louts", we have been deployed to combat gang violence, street drinking, public reassurance and much more. Although we are behind the evening times's campain we feel it would be better for all concerned if we were asked before any articles were printed about us. We being the enforcement officers out on the street issuing tickets, not management.[/quote]
That statement should be sent To Stephen Purcell, as the leader of GCC they have a duty of care over their employees. Would send the article myself but no doubt would see my name & address at the Evening Times. Appears as if GCC require a good dose of the Freedom of Information Act, this should root out a few more sorely deals.
The quote above does ring true, and is turning this news paper more into the Evening Digger, than our cherished old Evening Times, maybe thats the American owners for you?
So its alright to graffiti a wall at charing cross, and pay not a penalty for the it. Yet in the same area if you drop an item (spray cans, they exempt?) you receive a fity pound fine. What a Council? wonder if the equality stretches to the good citizens or just to those with a pay packet. Honest mister it was maw wean that done it.
as a serving enforcement officer with GCSS, the one's who are issuing the majority of the tickets, as opposed to the litter wardens whom you credited in your article, I feel it is inappropriate to name the littering offenders. They have already been penalised for thier offence, namely a £50 fixed penalty which they have paid. Would it not have been more appropriate to name the offender's who have not paid, or name the members of the public who verbally and physically abuse us on a daily basis. Myself and my fellow officers feel that by printing the list of names increases the risk to ourselves out on the street, people will be less likley to submit thier details if they feel there is a risk of thier names and addresses appearing in print and more likely to be aggressive towards us. I wish to make it clear that we are not litter wardens and our duties go a lot further than just targeting "litter louts", we have been deployed to combat gang violence, street drinking, public reassurance and much more. Although we are behind the evening times's campain we feel it would be better for all concerned if we were asked before any articles were printed about us. We being the enforcement officers out on the street issuing tickets, not management.
That statement should be sent To Stephen Purcell, as the leader of GCC they have a duty of care over their employees. Would send the article myself but no doubt would see my name & address at the Evening Times. Appears as if GCC require a good dose of the Freedom of Information Act, this should root out a few more sorely deals.
The quote above does ring true, and is turning this news paper more into the Evening Digger, than our cherished old Evening Times, maybe thats the American owners for you?
So its alright to graffiti a wall at charing cross, and pay not a penalty for the it. Yet in the same area if you drop an item (spray cans, they exempt?) you receive a fity pound fine. What a Council? wonder if the equality stretches to the good citizens or just to those with a pay packet. Honest mister it was maw wean that done it.
Posted by: mrstella, Glasgow on 9:11pm Thu 13 Dec 07
I've just been in contact with my local councillor and it appears that not every council member shares the whole "name and shame" philosophy. In fact, he agrees with me that Evening Times has blatantly broken the data protection act, as those who paid the fine become exempt from criminal proceedings. He's going to be writing to the Chief Exec of this rag demanding an explanation.
Good to know that not all councillors are corrupt gas bags!
I've just been in contact with my local councillor and it appears that not every council member shares the whole "name and shame" philosophy. In fact, he agrees with me that Evening Times has blatantly broken the data protection act, as those who paid the fine become exempt from criminal proceedings. He's going to be writing to the Chief Exec of this rag demanding an explanation.
Good to know that not all councillors are corrupt gas bags!
Posted by: mrstella, Glasgow on 9:13pm Thu 13 Dec 07
To Tonzod.
No offense, but maybe I'll take your comments about education more seriously when you begin to use proper grammar and sentence structure.
To Tonzod.
No offense, but maybe I'll take your comments about education more seriously when you begin to use proper grammar and sentence structure.
Posted by: mrstella, Glasgow on 9:14pm Thu 13 Dec 07
Sorry, above post should have been directed at Puskas.
Sorry, above post should have been directed at Puskas.
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