Posted by: John Brown, Glasgow on 11:13am Fri 14 Dec 07
And how many people have been charged with allowing their dogs to crap all over the streets, public places and worse still playing fields? Perhaps we can have these figures published.
And how many people have been charged with allowing their dogs to crap all over the streets, public places and worse still playing fields? Perhaps we can have these figures published.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 11:19am Fri 14 Dec 07
This shows that everyone who disputes the charge that they broke the law by littering will get their day in court. What could be fairer than that?
This shows that everyone who disputes the charge that they broke the law by littering will get their day in court. What could be fairer than that?
Posted by: Seymour Hope, Glasgow on 11:20am Fri 14 Dec 07
Just don't drop litter and stop argueing. If you claim to love Scotland then stop chucking your mess all over it.
Just don't drop litter and stop argueing. If you claim to love Scotland then stop chucking your mess all over it.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 11:28am Fri 14 Dec 07
Lord Provost Bob Winter says "... it's heartening to know the majority of Evening Times readers back our course of action." Bob Winter is refering to an online poll conducted by The Evening Times. "While we are aware naming and shaming is not a popular option with some members of the public, it's heartening to know the majority of Evening Times readers back our course of action."
[bold]This poll has since been exposed as non-representative and a lie[/bold].
If our wonderful Lord Provist took the time and the trouble to read these posts, he would see that it is more like 99% of respondants despises these petty actions. So where did the 75% in favour from your online poll come from. I know, The Evening Times fudged the figures!!!
I would say to Lord Provist that you are perpetuating a lie and are undeserving of your office!!!!
Lord Provost Bob Winter says "... it's heartening to know the majority of Evening Times readers back our course of action." Bob Winter is refering to an online poll conducted by The Evening Times. "While we are aware naming and shaming is not a popular option with some members of the public, it's heartening to know the majority of Evening Times readers back our course of action."
This poll has since been exposed as non-representative and a lie.
If our wonderful Lord Provist took the time and the trouble to read these posts, he would see that it is more like 99% of respondants despises these petty actions. So where did the 75% in favour from your online poll come from. I know, The Evening Times fudged the figures!!!
I would say to Lord Provist that you are perpetuating a lie and are undeserving of your office!!!!
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 11:34am Fri 14 Dec 07
Well, well, well. Where are Donald and Marianne's chest-beating threats of violence and harassment against the Evening Times' own readership today? Got a wee talking to this morning, did you?
Too little, too late, and they know it. They're still pretending this campaign is about litter, when their actions this week have made clear that it has [italic]nothing[/italic] to do with reducing litter or keeping Glasgow clean. Anyone who supports this campaign has fallen for the biggest con of 2007.
Well, well, well. Where are Donald and Marianne's chest-beating threats of violence and harassment against the Evening Times' own readership today? Got a wee talking to this morning, did you?
Too little, too late, and they know it. They're still pretending this campaign is about litter, when their actions this week have made clear that it has
nothing to do with reducing litter or keeping Glasgow clean. Anyone who supports this campaign has fallen for the biggest con of 2007.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 11:59am Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
Well, well, well. Where are Donald and Marianne's chest-beating threats of violence and harassment against the Evening Times' own readership today? Got a wee talking to this morning, did you? Too little, too late, and they know it. They're still pretending this campaign is about litter, when their actions this week have made clear that it has [italic]nothing[/italic] to do with reducing litter or keeping Glasgow clean. Anyone who supports this campaign has fallen for the biggest con of 2007.[/quote] I agree Heather. The Evening Times has definately shot itself in the foot. I dont want to read about 'how wee Mrs Bloggs got fined for dropping a bus ticket', how much she deserved it and what a lout she is.
I do not want to read this tattle-tale non-sense. I do not want to read how all wooden top politicains are applauding all these hypocritical lies and BS!
Heather wrote:
Well, well, well. Where are Donald and Marianne's chest-beating threats of violence and harassment against the Evening Times' own readership today? Got a wee talking to this morning, did you? Too little, too late, and they know it. They're still pretending this campaign is about litter, when their actions this week have made clear that it has nothing to do with reducing litter or keeping Glasgow clean. Anyone who supports this campaign has fallen for the biggest con of 2007.
I agree Heather. The Evening Times has definately shot itself in the foot. I dont want to read about 'how wee Mrs Bloggs got fined for dropping a bus ticket', how much she deserved it and what a lout she is.
I do not want to read this tattle-tale non-sense. I do not want to read how all wooden top politicains are applauding all these hypocritical lies and BS!
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:04pm Fri 14 Dec 07
aye, where's tube-tanned tommy when you need him?
aye, where's tube-tanned tommy when you need him?
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:11pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket.
How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem?
Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket.
How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem?
Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 12:17pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote:
aye, where's tube-tanned tommy when you need him?[/quote] Erm....I think he's busy with a few things...hahaha
yerauldda wrote:
aye, where's tube-tanned tommy when you need him?
Erm....I think he's busy with a few things...hahaha
Posted by: john, renfrew on 12:23pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for:
[bold]Toddler fined for dropping a crisp.[/bold]
[bold]Teenager assaulted by wardens[/bold]
[bold]13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens[/bold]
[bold]Drivers spied on by litter wardens[/bold]
All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net
Big Al wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for:
Toddler fined for dropping a crisp.
Teenager assaulted by wardens
13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens
Drivers spied on by litter wardens
All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net
Posted by: goodster, London on 12:29pm Fri 14 Dec 07
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!!
It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!!
It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:39pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for:
[bold]Toddler fined for dropping a crisp.[/bold]
[bold]Teenager assaulted by wardens[/bold]
[bold]13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens[/bold]
[bold]Drivers spied on by litter wardens[/bold]
All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net[/quote] John, you need to stop using that arguement against people because that is not what I stand for. Of course I expect litter wardens to have some sort of common sense and only target people who do it intentionally or are too lazy to care. All of these examples you quoted - the litter wardens should be sacked.
Your arguement is similar to me saying that you stand for the amount of rubbish on the streets of Glasgow, dog sh*te in our parks, chewing gum everywhere. You stand for people treating Glasgow like a rubbish bin. Which I assume you don't stand for. (and in fact, from your letter to Wendy yesterday, you have a lot of logic behind your arguments.)
However, what I do stand for is improving Glasgow. I don't have the answers and I admit that a blanket naming and shaming campaign by the ET is slightly crude. So if that's not the answer, what is?
john wrote:
Big Al wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for:
Toddler fined for dropping a crisp.
Teenager assaulted by wardens
13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens
Drivers spied on by litter wardens
All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net
John, you need to stop using that arguement against people because that is not what I stand for. Of course I expect litter wardens to have some sort of common sense and only target people who do it intentionally or are too lazy to care. All of these examples you quoted - the litter wardens should be sacked.
Your arguement is similar to me saying that you stand for the amount of rubbish on the streets of Glasgow, dog sh*te in our parks, chewing gum everywhere. You stand for people treating Glasgow like a rubbish bin. Which I assume you don't stand for. (and in fact, from your letter to Wendy yesterday, you have a lot of logic behind your arguments.)
However, what I do stand for is improving Glasgow. I don't have the answers and I admit that a blanket naming and shaming campaign by the ET is slightly crude. So if that's not the answer, what is?
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:39pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] the point is a paedophile has more rights to privacy than someone who dropped a fag
goodster wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
the point is a paedophile has more rights to privacy than someone who dropped a fag
Posted by: john, renfrew on 12:50pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!!
You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?
goodster wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!!
You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 1:28pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for: [bold]Toddler fined for dropping a crisp.[/bold] [bold]Teenager assaulted by wardens[/bold] [bold]13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens[/bold] [bold]Drivers spied on by litter wardens[/bold] All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net[/quote] John, you need to stop using that arguement against people because that is not what I stand for. Of course I expect litter wardens to have some sort of common sense and only target people who do it intentionally or are too lazy to care. All of these examples you quoted - the litter wardens should be sacked. Your arguement is similar to me saying that you stand for the amount of rubbish on the streets of Glasgow, dog sh*te in our parks, chewing gum everywhere. You stand for people treating Glasgow like a rubbish bin. Which I assume you don't stand for. (and in fact, from your letter to Wendy yesterday, you have a lot of logic behind your arguments.) However, what I do stand for is improving Glasgow. I don't have the answers and I admit that a blanket naming and shaming campaign by the ET is slightly crude. So if that's not the answer, what is?[/quote] Big Al, yes I have quoted these examples before. And if you yourself, who is the most vociferous backer of the naming and shaming admit its crude. Well what does that say?
It was not a matter of putting logic into my letter to MS Alexander. Only, the truth.
What would you say is more important Big Al? Your civic freedom and innocence until proven guilty OR a messy city? I think that any reasonably thinking person always goes for the lessor of two evils.
By the way, thanks for reading my posts.
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Big Al wrote: Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for: Toddler fined for dropping a crisp. Teenager assaulted by wardens 13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens Drivers spied on by litter wardens All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net
John, you need to stop using that arguement against people because that is not what I stand for. Of course I expect litter wardens to have some sort of common sense and only target people who do it intentionally or are too lazy to care. All of these examples you quoted - the litter wardens should be sacked. Your arguement is similar to me saying that you stand for the amount of rubbish on the streets of Glasgow, dog sh*te in our parks, chewing gum everywhere. You stand for people treating Glasgow like a rubbish bin. Which I assume you don't stand for. (and in fact, from your letter to Wendy yesterday, you have a lot of logic behind your arguments.) However, what I do stand for is improving Glasgow. I don't have the answers and I admit that a blanket naming and shaming campaign by the ET is slightly crude. So if that's not the answer, what is?
Big Al, yes I have quoted these examples before. And if you yourself, who is the most vociferous backer of the naming and shaming admit its crude. Well what does that say?
It was not a matter of putting logic into my letter to MS Alexander. Only, the truth.
What would you say is more important Big Al? Your civic freedom and innocence until proven guilty OR a messy city? I think that any reasonably thinking person always goes for the lessor of two evils.
By the way, thanks for reading my posts.
Posted by: zathrus, Glasgow on 1:30pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Good on the evening times , the fines are well deserved in most cases so I'm with them all the way.
[quote]the point is a paedophile has more rights to privacy than someone who dropped a fag[/quote]
You dont get the point, the fact is that paedophiles found guilty are jailed for years , you get a fine for dropping litter ..see the difference?
and John from Renfrew isnt representative of the majority who very much agree with what the Evening Times is doing.
And the logic is there for everyone to see
No litter dropping->no fines->no income->no litter wardens->no fines...
Good on the evening times , the fines are well deserved in most cases so I'm with them all the way.
the point is a paedophile has more rights to privacy than someone who dropped a fag
You dont get the point, the fact is that paedophiles found guilty are jailed for years , you get a fine for dropping litter ..see the difference?
and John from Renfrew isnt representative of the majority who very much agree with what the Evening Times is doing.
And the logic is there for everyone to see
No litter dropping->no fines->no income->no litter wardens->no fines...
Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 1:42pm Fri 14 Dec 07
100% back any action that will reduce the litter on our streets, but only when common sense is applied. Anyone who has made such a habit of littering that they don't even notice are exactly the types who should be targeted.
Out of interest, I'd like to see what is happening with the fine money which is being collected. In fact, I think the councils/government should be much more open with what happens with collected fine money.
100% back any action that will reduce the litter on our streets, but only when common sense is applied. Anyone who has made such a habit of littering that they don't even notice are exactly the types who should be targeted.
Out of interest, I'd like to see what is happening with the fine money which is being collected. In fact, I think the councils/government should be much more open with what happens with collected fine money.
Posted by: goodster, London on 1:46pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?[/quote] Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.
john wrote:
goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?
Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:52pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]zathrus[/bold] wrote:
Good on the evening times , the fines are well deserved in most cases so I'm with them all the way. [quote]the point is a paedophile has more rights to privacy than someone who dropped a fag[/quote] You dont get the point, the fact is that paedophiles found guilty are jailed for years , you get a fine for dropping litter ..see the difference? and John from Renfrew isnt representative of the majority who very much agree with what the Evening Times is doing. And the logic is there for everyone to see No litter dropping->no fines->no income->no litter wardens->no fines...[/quote] so because they get the jail, it means its ok for them to remain anon?
if your next door neighr was a kiddy fiddler, wouldnt you like to know about it before letting your kids out to play?
or would you tell them "stay away from mr smith at number 6, that crazy old man dropped a fag on buchanan st!"
zathrus wrote:
Good on the evening times , the fines are well deserved in most cases so I'm with them all the way. the point is a paedophile has more rights to privacy than someone who dropped a fag
You dont get the point, the fact is that paedophiles found guilty are jailed for years , you get a fine for dropping litter ..see the difference? and John from Renfrew isnt representative of the majority who very much agree with what the Evening Times is doing. And the logic is there for everyone to see No litter dropping->no fines->no income->no litter wardens->no fines...
so because they get the jail, it means its ok for them to remain anon?
if your next door neighr was a kiddy fiddler, wouldnt you like to know about it before letting your kids out to play?
or would you tell them "stay away from mr smith at number 6, that crazy old man dropped a fag on buchanan st!"
Posted by: john, renfrew on 1:55pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?[/quote] Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.[/quote] Yeah okay, your slaving away for some faceless london corporation, lining faceless shareholders pockets. Part of the rat race are we?
Me? Yes, your right good guess. I wouldn't lower myself to those standards. There are better things to with your life. I am a carer, I look after two very old and sick people.
So, again goodster we seem to have made a stupid presumption, haven't you?
goodster wrote:
john wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?
Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.
Yeah okay, your slaving away for some faceless london corporation, lining faceless shareholders pockets. Part of the rat race are we?
Me? Yes, your right good guess. I wouldn't lower myself to those standards. There are better things to with your life. I am a carer, I look after two very old and sick people.
So, again goodster we seem to have made a stupid presumption, haven't you?
Posted by: goodster, London on 1:57pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?[/quote] Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.[/quote] Yeah okay, your slaving away for some faceless london corporation, lining faceless shareholders pockets. Part of the rat race are we? Me? Yes, your right good guess. I wouldn't lower myself to those standards. There are better things to with your life. I am a carer, I look after two very old and sick people. So, again goodster we seem to have made a stupid presumption, haven't you?[/quote] My hero.
john wrote:
goodster wrote: john wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?
Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.
Yeah okay, your slaving away for some faceless london corporation, lining faceless shareholders pockets. Part of the rat race are we? Me? Yes, your right good guess. I wouldn't lower myself to those standards. There are better things to with your life. I am a carer, I look after two very old and sick people. So, again goodster we seem to have made a stupid presumption, haven't you?
My hero.
Posted by: PJ, Edinburgh on 1:58pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[bold]zathrus, Glasgow[/bold]
[bold]You don’t get the point![/bold] A paedophile may as you say get a jail sentence, but at the end of the day when he will be released and returned to the community and his anonymity is maintained and on certain occasions (which has happened) the council will house them next to a school and or a playground.
zathrus, Glasgow
You don’t get the point! A paedophile may as you say get a jail sentence, but at the end of the day when he will be released and returned to the community and his anonymity is maintained and on certain occasions (which has happened) the council will house them next to a school and or a playground.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 2:04pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?[/quote] Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.[/quote] Yeah okay, your slaving away for some faceless london corporation, lining faceless shareholders pockets. Part of the rat race are we? Me? Yes, your right good guess. I wouldn't lower myself to those standards. There are better things to with your life. I am a carer, I look after two very old and sick people. So, again goodster we seem to have made a stupid presumption, haven't you?[/quote] My hero.[/quote] Away you go, back to yer grindstone!!!
goodster wrote:
john wrote: goodster wrote: john wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Yeah, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why your in London? With your extensive and witty grasp of English, so full of cliches why dont you get a job with The Evening Times. In the meantime, you should have another at trying to make a valid point. Go on, you can do it!!! You are right about one thing, Glasgow does deserve better, is that why you moved to London?
Working in London son, working. you should try it sometime.
Yeah okay, your slaving away for some faceless london corporation, lining faceless shareholders pockets. Part of the rat race are we? Me? Yes, your right good guess. I wouldn't lower myself to those standards. There are better things to with your life. I am a carer, I look after two very old and sick people. So, again goodster we seem to have made a stupid presumption, haven't you?
My hero.
Away you go, back to yer grindstone!!!
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 2:08pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I leave one wee post yesterday and the Times responds with a 2 page threat. I'm flattered!
Well i checked my post this morning and there was no court summons, just like there hasn't been one for the last 6 months but i'll wait and see. Not that i think there will be any rush on the councils part despite the bullish tone of what was obviously a rushed job yesterday afternoon for Marianne. And only on pages 14-15? Not very confident is it!
I would think that the story here which should be of more public interest than the names and addresses of people who may or may not have been properly fined is how much is it going to cost the council and indeed the tax payers to prosecute 700 non payers. For instance, one of those i came across being fined was not resident in this country, so what we talking here, extradition? Further, as in the case of mine and many others (possibly every single fine issued over a 6 month period) the wardens were not identifying themselves properly on the fines being issued. This may lead to any case being thrown out due to the law not being properly followed and a rather large legal bill for the council.
I noticed that someone has mentioned where Tommy Sheridan is when you need him. Well he doesn't sit on Glasgow City Council. However, the SNP do and the largest opposition group on the council were presented with the evidence of the wardens not following the law in issuing the fines in September. They have checked with their own legal advisors and agree that the wardens not giving their names on the fines could be a major problem for the council in any future proscecutions. At present they are happy to sit on this.
But i'm sure the Evening Times is aware of this and are far too proffesional to take info of message boards...
I leave one wee post yesterday and the Times responds with a 2 page threat. I'm flattered!
Well i checked my post this morning and there was no court summons, just like there hasn't been one for the last 6 months but i'll wait and see. Not that i think there will be any rush on the councils part despite the bullish tone of what was obviously a rushed job yesterday afternoon for Marianne. And only on pages 14-15? Not very confident is it!
I would think that the story here which should be of more public interest than the names and addresses of people who may or may not have been properly fined is how much is it going to cost the council and indeed the tax payers to prosecute 700 non payers. For instance, one of those i came across being fined was not resident in this country, so what we talking here, extradition? Further, as in the case of mine and many others (possibly every single fine issued over a 6 month period) the wardens were not identifying themselves properly on the fines being issued. This may lead to any case being thrown out due to the law not being properly followed and a rather large legal bill for the council.
I noticed that someone has mentioned where Tommy Sheridan is when you need him. Well he doesn't sit on Glasgow City Council. However, the SNP do and the largest opposition group on the council were presented with the evidence of the wardens not following the law in issuing the fines in September. They have checked with their own legal advisors and agree that the wardens not giving their names on the fines could be a major problem for the council in any future proscecutions. At present they are happy to sit on this.
But i'm sure the Evening Times is aware of this and are far too proffesional to take info of message boards...
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:11pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for: [bold]Toddler fined for dropping a crisp.[/bold] [bold]Teenager assaulted by wardens[/bold] [bold]13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens[/bold] [bold]Drivers spied on by litter wardens[/bold] All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net[/quote] John, you need to stop using that arguement against people because that is not what I stand for. Of course I expect litter wardens to have some sort of common sense and only target people who do it intentionally or are too lazy to care. All of these examples you quoted - the litter wardens should be sacked. Your arguement is similar to me saying that you stand for the amount of rubbish on the streets of Glasgow, dog sh*te in our parks, chewing gum everywhere. You stand for people treating Glasgow like a rubbish bin. Which I assume you don't stand for. (and in fact, from your letter to Wendy yesterday, you have a lot of logic behind your arguments.) However, what I do stand for is improving Glasgow. I don't have the answers and I admit that a blanket naming and shaming campaign by the ET is slightly crude. So if that's not the answer, what is?[/quote] Big Al, yes I have quoted these examples before. And if you yourself, who is the most vociferous backer of the naming and shaming admit its crude. Well what does that say? It was not a matter of putting logic into my letter to MS Alexander. Only, the truth. What would you say is more important Big Al? Your civic freedom and innocence until proven guilty OR a messy city? I think that any reasonably thinking person always goes for the lessor of two evils. By the way, thanks for reading my posts. [/quote] I wrote to Jack McConnel 4 years ago with regards to the state of Glasgow plus giving him some healthy ideas as to how the place could be improved for everybody - litter was a minor side issue in relation to everything else that is soo far wrong.
Like the attitude of most politicians, I never got a reply - so I don't expect you to get a reply from Bendy Wendy.
Needless to say, this is why the parties they represent probably lose elections
[italic]"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more" - [bold]Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969[/italic][/bold]
john wrote:
Big Al wrote: john wrote: Big Al wrote: Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Here's what The Evening Times and Big Al stands for: Toddler fined for dropping a crisp. Teenager assaulted by wardens 13 year old girl harassed by litter wardens Drivers spied on by litter wardens All these stories are true and can be easily verified on the net
John, you need to stop using that arguement against people because that is not what I stand for. Of course I expect litter wardens to have some sort of common sense and only target people who do it intentionally or are too lazy to care. All of these examples you quoted - the litter wardens should be sacked. Your arguement is similar to me saying that you stand for the amount of rubbish on the streets of Glasgow, dog sh*te in our parks, chewing gum everywhere. You stand for people treating Glasgow like a rubbish bin. Which I assume you don't stand for. (and in fact, from your letter to Wendy yesterday, you have a lot of logic behind your arguments.) However, what I do stand for is improving Glasgow. I don't have the answers and I admit that a blanket naming and shaming campaign by the ET is slightly crude. So if that's not the answer, what is?
Big Al, yes I have quoted these examples before. And if you yourself, who is the most vociferous backer of the naming and shaming admit its crude. Well what does that say? It was not a matter of putting logic into my letter to MS Alexander. Only, the truth. What would you say is more important Big Al? Your civic freedom and innocence until proven guilty OR a messy city? I think that any reasonably thinking person always goes for the lessor of two evils. By the way, thanks for reading my posts.
I wrote to Jack McConnel 4 years ago with regards to the state of Glasgow plus giving him some healthy ideas as to how the place could be improved for everybody - litter was a minor side issue in relation to everything else that is soo far wrong.
Like the attitude of most politicians, I never got a reply - so I don't expect you to get a reply from Bendy Wendy.
Needless to say, this is why the parties they represent probably lose elections
"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more" - Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969
Posted by: john, renfrew on 2:26pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
I leave one wee post yesterday and the Times responds with a 2 page threat. I'm flattered! Well i checked my post this morning and there was no court summons, just like there hasn't been one for the last 6 months but i'll wait and see. Not that i think there will be any rush on the councils part despite the bullish tone of what was obviously a rushed job yesterday afternoon for Marianne. And only on pages 14-15? Not very confident is it! I would think that the story here which should be of more public interest than the names and addresses of people who may or may not have been properly fined is how much is it going to cost the council and indeed the tax payers to prosecute 700 non payers. For instance, one of those i came across being fined was not resident in this country, so what we talking here, extradition? Further, as in the case of mine and many others (possibly every single fine issued over a 6 month period) the wardens were not identifying themselves properly on the fines being issued. This may lead to any case being thrown out due to the law not being properly followed and a rather large legal bill for the council. I noticed that someone has mentioned where Tommy Sheridan is when you need him. Well he doesn't sit on Glasgow City Council. However, the SNP do and the largest opposition group on the council were presented with the evidence of the wardens not following the law in issuing the fines in September. They have checked with their own legal advisors and agree that the wardens not giving their names on the fines could be a major problem for the council in any future proscecutions. At present they are happy to sit on this. But i'm sure the Evening Times is aware of this and are far too proffesional to take info of message boards... [/quote] Another interesting post SwimFishSwim.
I certainly think that in naming people who have NOT been found convicted in a court is wrong. I was under the belief that to be found guilty, you had to be tried in a court. Paying extortion money to some wee jobsworth in a green jacket does not count as a court conviction.
Yesterday, The Evening Times mentioned NEXUS publishing the details of fare dodgers. Actually, they only publish the details of people taken to court. They dont publish details of those fined by inspectors.
I would think that if your name and address is published and you havent been legally found guilty, then this would amount to slander.
Without shelling out for legal help, there are routes that you can follow: council ombudsman, press complaints comission.
I would LOVE to see a legal challenge!!!!
SwimFishSwim wrote:
I leave one wee post yesterday and the Times responds with a 2 page threat. I'm flattered! Well i checked my post this morning and there was no court summons, just like there hasn't been one for the last 6 months but i'll wait and see. Not that i think there will be any rush on the councils part despite the bullish tone of what was obviously a rushed job yesterday afternoon for Marianne. And only on pages 14-15? Not very confident is it! I would think that the story here which should be of more public interest than the names and addresses of people who may or may not have been properly fined is how much is it going to cost the council and indeed the tax payers to prosecute 700 non payers. For instance, one of those i came across being fined was not resident in this country, so what we talking here, extradition? Further, as in the case of mine and many others (possibly every single fine issued over a 6 month period) the wardens were not identifying themselves properly on the fines being issued. This may lead to any case being thrown out due to the law not being properly followed and a rather large legal bill for the council. I noticed that someone has mentioned where Tommy Sheridan is when you need him. Well he doesn't sit on Glasgow City Council. However, the SNP do and the largest opposition group on the council were presented with the evidence of the wardens not following the law in issuing the fines in September. They have checked with their own legal advisors and agree that the wardens not giving their names on the fines could be a major problem for the council in any future proscecutions. At present they are happy to sit on this. But i'm sure the Evening Times is aware of this and are far too proffesional to take info of message boards...
Another interesting post SwimFishSwim.
I certainly think that in naming people who have NOT been found convicted in a court is wrong. I was under the belief that to be found guilty, you had to be tried in a court. Paying extortion money to some wee jobsworth in a green jacket does not count as a court conviction.
Yesterday, The Evening Times mentioned NEXUS publishing the details of fare dodgers. Actually, they only publish the details of people taken to court. They dont publish details of those fined by inspectors.
I would think that if your name and address is published and you havent been legally found guilty, then this would amount to slander.
Without shelling out for legal help, there are routes that you can follow: council ombudsman, press complaints comission.
I would LOVE to see a legal challenge!!!!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 2:30pm Fri 14 Dec 07
The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 2:46pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I would love to see a legal challenge too and did inform the Enviromental Services of my intentions. That was 3 months ago and still no word, not even an aknowledgement of a recorded delivered letter. Regarding the Council's confidence in their own enforcement measures, why did 75% of this city's councillors not respond to a survey that was asking whether they thought it was a good thing. Do they know that there's trouble ahead?
As for those who have paid this came to my attention recently. A girl who was fined for dropping a cigarette in woodlands went to the payment office. She told them that she did not have £50 to pay the fine within the next 14 days. They told her they would accept £10 and consider the fine fully paid. She did and was given a receipt that showed the fine was considered fully paid. So maybe not everything is so rosy with the collections as the Times and the council would have you believe.
Take the money and run perhaps?
I would love to see a legal challenge too and did inform the Enviromental Services of my intentions. That was 3 months ago and still no word, not even an aknowledgement of a recorded delivered letter. Regarding the Council's confidence in their own enforcement measures, why did 75% of this city's councillors not respond to a survey that was asking whether they thought it was a good thing. Do they know that there's trouble ahead?
As for those who have paid this came to my attention recently. A girl who was fined for dropping a cigarette in woodlands went to the payment office. She told them that she did not have £50 to pay the fine within the next 14 days. They told her they would accept £10 and consider the fine fully paid. She did and was given a receipt that showed the fine was considered fully paid. So maybe not everything is so rosy with the collections as the Times and the council would have you believe.
Take the money and run perhaps?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:47pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?[/quote] Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face!
The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-)
[bold]Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton![/bold]
john wrote:
The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face!
The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-)
Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton! Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:49pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?[/quote] Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) [bold]Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton![/bold] [/quote] [bold]And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho![/bold]
The Missing City wrote:
john wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton!
And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho! Posted by: john, renfrew on 2:59pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?[/quote] Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) [bold]Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton![/bold] [/quote] [bold]And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho![/bold] [/quote] Gordon, we are both probably p1ssing in the wind. I didnt really expect a reply to tell you the truth. But, when you see BS like this happening in your own backyard, well you have to try.
The Missing City wrote:
The Missing City wrote: john wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton!
And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho!
Gordon, we are both probably p1ssing in the wind. I didnt really expect a reply to tell you the truth. But, when you see BS like this happening in your own backyard, well you have to try.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 3:07pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Look at what the litter wardens were up to yesterday -- having a laugh at the Evening Times' list while on duty... well done boys!!!
Do this:
Copy this short url:
[bold]tinyurl.com/2zesno[/bold]
Then, in Internet Explorer choose File > Open
and then paste in the link and choose OK.
Let me know what you think of the pic...
Look at what the litter wardens were up to yesterday -- having a laugh at the Evening Times' list while on duty... well done boys!!!
Do this:
Copy this short url:
tinyurl.com/2zesno
Then, in Internet Explorer choose File > Open
and then paste in the link and choose OK.
Let me know what you think of the pic...
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:22pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?[/quote] Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) [bold]Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton![/bold] [/quote] [bold]And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho![/bold] [/quote] Gordon, we are both probably p1ssing in the wind. I didnt really expect a reply to tell you the truth. But, when you see BS like this happening in your own backyard, well you have to try.[/quote] Well you could always try the smack and cider option and give it the "just don't give a sh1t" attitude like everybody else I see in ma face when they have given up. But to be honest, its not something I would recommend!
I don't mean to be funny either when I say this but........ Good Luck!
john wrote:
The Missing City wrote: The Missing City wrote: john wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton!
And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho!
Gordon, we are both probably p1ssing in the wind. I didnt really expect a reply to tell you the truth. But, when you see BS like this happening in your own backyard, well you have to try.
Well you could always try the smack and cider option and give it the "just don't give a sh1t" attitude like everybody else I see in ma face when they have given up. But to be honest, its not something I would recommend!
I don't mean to be funny either when I say this but........ Good Luck!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 3:23pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Thanks Sydney Meriwether for those pictures. Also, thanks for the ones showing The Evening Times flyposting public buildings. Let me correct your miss interpretations of the situation, [quote]it is us, the public that are the scum and louts[/quote] . Hypocites are never scum and louts. Happy?
Thanks Sydney Meriwether for those pictures. Also, thanks for the ones showing The Evening Times flyposting public buildings. Let me correct your miss interpretations of the situation,
it is us, the public that are the scum and louts
. Hypocites are never scum and louts. Happy?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 3:30pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket.
How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem?
Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Dear, dear Big Al (aka GCC spokesman), still pushing the party line right up everyone's nose? Weren't you happy at just [bold]two mentions[/bold] in last night's printed ET? You've been rumbled, now step aside and let the people of Glasgow have their say!
Big Al wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket.
How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem?
Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Dear, dear Big Al (aka GCC spokesman), still pushing the party line right up everyone's nose? Weren't you happy at just
two mentions in last night's printed ET? You've been rumbled, now step aside and let the people of Glasgow have their say!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 3:35pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?[/quote] Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) [bold]Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton![/bold] [/quote] [bold]And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho![/bold] [/quote] Gordon, we are both probably p1ssing in the wind. I didnt really expect a reply to tell you the truth. But, when you see BS like this happening in your own backyard, well you have to try.[/quote] Well you could always try the smack and cider option and give it the "just don't give a sh1t" attitude like everybody else I see in ma face when they have given up. But to be honest, its not something I would recommend! I don't mean to be funny either when I say this but........ Good Luck! [/quote] Yes, reading times and horrible attitude that the politicos seem to have towards people its no wonder that smack and cider seems a good option!!!
At least there's the internet to vent your frustrations on! Perhaps the internet will eventually make all of these jokers redundant.
Goodluck to you too!
Good Luck to you too.
The Missing City wrote:
john wrote: The Missing City wrote: The Missing City wrote: john wrote: The Missing City, your right, I havent recieved even an acknowledgement. Perhaps I shouldve slipped a donation in with my letter?
Ach whit the fcuk dae ah know, ah'm jist a 33 year old guy who sees all sorts of errors in his face! The way I talk about things, some people think I'm 70, but all my life I've been a good listener and done lots of homework like other good boys, though after what I've seen in this toilet paper all week (pmsl) It seems that there's not very many good boys left eh? ;-) Anyway, you just hang in there Big Bad John, she might reply considering her party is on the ropes - The Labour Party are in the same condition as Ricky Hatton!
And my name's Gordon and I don't have anything to hide either - I'm guilty of nowt! Not even polluting the air by farting! Ho Ho Ho!
Gordon, we are both probably p1ssing in the wind. I didnt really expect a reply to tell you the truth. But, when you see BS like this happening in your own backyard, well you have to try.
Well you could always try the smack and cider option and give it the "just don't give a sh1t" attitude like everybody else I see in ma face when they have given up. But to be honest, its not something I would recommend! I don't mean to be funny either when I say this but........ Good Luck!
Yes, reading times and horrible attitude that the politicos seem to have towards people its no wonder that smack and cider seems a good option!!!
At least there's the internet to vent your frustrations on! Perhaps the internet will eventually make all of these jokers redundant.
Goodluck to you too!
Good Luck to you too.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:38pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Dear, dear Big Al (aka GCC spokesman), still pushing the party line right up everyone's nose? Weren't you happy at just [bold]two mentions[/bold] in last night's printed ET? You've been rumbled, now step aside and let the people of Glasgow have their say![/quote] Exactly, if you don't work for them, then what exactly do they do for you Big Al? Do they put money in your pocket? Wee brown envelopes perhaps?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Big Al wrote: Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket. How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem? Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Dear, dear Big Al (aka GCC spokesman), still pushing the party line right up everyone's nose? Weren't you happy at just two mentions in last night's printed ET? You've been rumbled, now step aside and let the people of Glasgow have their say!
Exactly, if you don't work for them, then what exactly do they do for you Big Al? Do they put money in your pocket? Wee brown envelopes perhaps?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 3:51pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?
Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 3:53pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket.
How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem?
Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?[/quote] Dear, dear Big Al (aka GCC spokesman), still pushing the party line right up everyone's nose? Weren't you happy at just [bold]two mentions[/bold] in last night's printed ET? You've been rumbled, now step aside and let the people of Glasgow have their say![/quote] Sydney, if you read my post again, you will see that it is full of questions, asking what should we do. You don't seem to be coming up with any solutions, so can we assume that you are happy just to accept the current situation with regards to the litter problem?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Big Al wrote:
Again, I would ask - how are we going to cause a change in attitude amongst people who drop litter (cigarette butts, chewing gum, rubbish), fly-tip, leave dog's mess and spray graffiti? There is people who do this unintentially, however, the vast majority of rubbish you see on the street is not the nice wee Mrs Bloggs dropping her bus ticket.
How much more education should we provide before the message gets through? Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, however, does that mean we shouldn't address Glasgow's litter problem?
Alternatively, should we just accept things the way they are, and just spend more money each year cleaning it up?
Dear, dear Big Al (aka GCC spokesman), still pushing the party line right up everyone's nose? Weren't you happy at just two mentions in last night's printed ET? You've been rumbled, now step aside and let the people of Glasgow have their say!
Sydney, if you read my post again, you will see that it is full of questions, asking what should we do. You don't seem to be coming up with any solutions, so can we assume that you are happy just to accept the current situation with regards to the litter problem?
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 3:55pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
goodster wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 3:55pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I certainly think that in naming people who have NOT been found convicted in a court is wrong. I was under the belief that to be found guilty, you had to be tried in a court. Paying extortion money to some wee jobsworth in a green jacket does not count as a court conviction.
Yesterday, The Evening Times mentioned NEXUS publishing the details of fare dodgers. Actually, they only publish the details of people taken to court. They dont publish details of those fined by inspectors.
I would think that if your name and address is published and you havent been legally found guilty, then this would amount to slander.
Without shelling out for legal help, there are routes that you can follow: council ombudsman, press complaints comission.
I would LOVE to see a legal challenge!!!!
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naw, just let the Digger and all the new boys ram this down the politicians throats: door stepping is now legal in this country... Grab ur cheap video camera and hail the Evening Times, names and address supplied...
I certainly think that in naming people who have NOT been found convicted in a court is wrong. I was under the belief that to be found guilty, you had to be tried in a court. Paying extortion money to some wee jobsworth in a green jacket does not count as a court conviction.
Yesterday, The Evening Times mentioned NEXUS publishing the details of fare dodgers. Actually, they only publish the details of people taken to court. They dont publish details of those fined by inspectors.
I would think that if your name and address is published and you havent been legally found guilty, then this would amount to slander.
Without shelling out for legal help, there are routes that you can follow: council ombudsman, press complaints comission.
I would LOVE to see a legal challenge!!!!
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naw, just let the Digger and all the new boys ram this down the politicians throats: door stepping is now legal in this country... Grab ur cheap video camera and hail the Evening Times, names and address supplied...
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 3:56pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?[/quote] Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties.
john wrote:
Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?
Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:02pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?[/quote] Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties. [/quote] Well Big Al, would you use a sledgehammer to slice a tomato? I think this campagn is just as stupid and messy.
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?
Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties.
Well Big Al, would you use a sledgehammer to slice a tomato? I think this campagn is just as stupid and messy.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:08pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?[/quote] Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties. [/quote] Well Big Al, would you use a sledgehammer to slice a tomato? I think this campagn is just as stupid and messy.[/quote] I would think about it, if all knives we've got are blunt.
john wrote:
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?
Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties.
Well Big Al, would you use a sledgehammer to slice a tomato? I think this campagn is just as stupid and messy.
I would think about it, if all knives we've got are blunt.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:17pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from!
Your in a minority, which is a shame!
Scottish Rose wrote:
goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from!
Your in a minority, which is a shame!
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 4:22pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes)
To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.
Scottish Rose wrote:
goodster wrote:
What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes)
To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:24pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?[/quote] Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties. [/quote] Well Big Al, would you use a sledgehammer to slice a tomato? I think this campagn is just as stupid and messy.[/quote] I would think about it, if all knives we've got are blunt.[/quote] Well, I think you should take at look at how some other treat their minor transgressors. Their knifes aint blunt. Or you could take inspiration from some of our punishments from the past? What about medieval times?
Big Al wrote:
john wrote: Big Al wrote: john wrote: Big Al has already admitted that he thinks naming and shaming is as he puts it 'a bit crude'. That shows that at least he may have a partial brain in his skull, possibly half of one? He may yet be saveable?
Yes John - your right, I have mellowed slightly, (not fully, but I may be 'saveable') however, my attitude was that if it helps the litter problem, then so be it. At the end of the day, I don't really care how its done, as long as things improve. Remember, littering, petty crime, and anti-social behaviours infringes on all our civic liberties.
Well Big Al, would you use a sledgehammer to slice a tomato? I think this campagn is just as stupid and messy.
I would think about it, if all knives we've got are blunt.
Well, I think you should take at look at how some other treat their minor transgressors. Their knifes aint blunt. Or you could take inspiration from some of our punishments from the past? What about medieval times?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:36pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.[/quote] Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more!
SwimFishSwim wrote:
Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.
Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:38pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Yes, very predictable, more of the same 'spokesman techniques' from Big Al: confuse the issue, ask more questions than provide answers, and throw in a few dodgy statistics! It must really annoy you seeing the people of Glasgow getting the chance to discuss something without being able to control it. ;-)
Come on Big Al, give us more of your gems: like the one about how you attributed the cost of chewing gum clean-up for all the UK to Glasgow alone....
Go here:
tinyurl.com/2zesno
Yes, very predictable, more of the same 'spokesman techniques' from Big Al: confuse the issue, ask more questions than provide answers, and throw in a few dodgy statistics! It must really annoy you seeing the people of Glasgow getting the chance to discuss something without being able to control it. ;-)
Come on Big Al, give us more of your gems: like the one about how you attributed the cost of chewing gum clean-up for all the UK to Glasgow alone....
Go here:
tinyurl.com/2zesno
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:40pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.[/quote] Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more![/quote] [bold]Was it with a Birch or a posted copy of The Evening Times? Not that I'm curious but I reckon she'll have a well skelped @rse!![/bold]
john wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote: Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.
Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more!
Was it with a Birch or a posted copy of The Evening Times? Not that I'm curious but I reckon she'll have a well skelped @rse!! Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:43pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Well the way I see it is simple:
Drop litter - pay a fine!
Don't drop litter - don't pay a fine and we have a litter free city!
Simple really. There are bins everywhere, so those who drop litter need to start having a bit more respect for their city. I don't care if they think its not a big deal for them - I don't drop litter in Glasgow, so why should I pay for the continuing massive clean-up bill.
Well the way I see it is simple:
Drop litter - pay a fine!
Don't drop litter - don't pay a fine and we have a litter free city!
Simple really. There are bins everywhere, so those who drop litter need to start having a bit more respect for their city. I don't care if they think its not a big deal for them - I don't drop litter in Glasgow, so why should I pay for the continuing massive clean-up bill.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:43pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Excellent points SwimFishSwim!
You see these are the kind of issues Big Al and his clique don't want us to raise, and thus try to hijack any discussion by coming up with nonsense like, "I would think about it, if all knives we've got are blunt".
Excellent points SwimFishSwim!
You see these are the kind of issues Big Al and his clique don't want us to raise, and thus try to hijack any discussion by coming up with nonsense like, "I would think about it, if all knives we've got are blunt".
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:45pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Yes, very predictable, more of the same 'spokesman techniques' from Big Al: confuse the issue, ask more questions than provide answers, and throw in a few dodgy statistics! It must really annoy you seeing the people of Glasgow getting the chance to discuss something without being able to control it. ;-)
Come on Big Al, give us more of your gems: like the one about how you attributed the cost of chewing gum clean-up for all the UK to Glasgow alone....
Go here:
tinyurl.com/2zesno[/quote] Again, if you had read the post, then you will also find that it wasn't me that confused that statistic with between Glasgow and UK costs - it was someone else who didn't get it right the next day.
As for me asking more questions than providing answers, and confusing the issue... its a bit hypocritical because we are yet to hear your pearls of wisedom on the matter.
Come on Sydney, lets hear your views - what should we do to reduce the £16million pounds we;re currently spending and get Glasgow to be cleaner.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Yes, very predictable, more of the same 'spokesman techniques' from Big Al: confuse the issue, ask more questions than provide answers, and throw in a few dodgy statistics! It must really annoy you seeing the people of Glasgow getting the chance to discuss something without being able to control it. ;-)
Come on Big Al, give us more of your gems: like the one about how you attributed the cost of chewing gum clean-up for all the UK to Glasgow alone....
Go here:
tinyurl.com/2zesno
Again, if you had read the post, then you will also find that it wasn't me that confused that statistic with between Glasgow and UK costs - it was someone else who didn't get it right the next day.
As for me asking more questions than providing answers, and confusing the issue... its a bit hypocritical because we are yet to hear your pearls of wisedom on the matter.
Come on Sydney, lets hear your views - what should we do to reduce the £16million pounds we;re currently spending and get Glasgow to be cleaner.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:46pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Ian said: "Well the way I see it is simple..."
Of course you do, that's why you confuse a discussion about the conduct of the ET in invading peoples privacy, with one about dropping litter!
Ian said: "Well the way I see it is simple..."
Of course you do, that's why you confuse a discussion about the conduct of the ET in invading peoples privacy, with one about dropping litter!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:49pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Big Al: "will find that it wasn't me"
That's right, it wasn't you - did a big boy do it and run away?
Big Al: "will find that it wasn't me"
That's right, it wasn't you - did a big boy do it and run away?
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:53pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Big Al: "will find that it wasn't me"
That's right, it wasn't you - did a big boy do it and run away?[/quote] zzz... still waiting Sydney - lets hear you. Views on solving litter problem...
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Big Al: "will find that it wasn't me"
That's right, it wasn't you - did a big boy do it and run away?
zzz... still waiting Sydney - lets hear you. Views on solving litter problem...
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 4:58pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Big Al..your "no"the guy with the magic kettle in the subway story are you?????
Big Al..your "no"the guy with the magic kettle in the subway story are you?????
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:59pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Deary me, more of the same [bold]off-topic nonsense[/bold] from Big Al: even by your standard this is poor.
You'll struggle to get two comments in the print version of the ET tomorrow, your boss will not be happy! ;-)
Deary me, more of the same
off-topic nonsense from Big Al: even by your standard this is poor.
You'll struggle to get two comments in the print version of the ET tomorrow, your boss will not be happy! ;-)
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 5:06pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Deary me, more of the same [bold]off-topic nonsense[/bold] from Big Al: even by your standard this is poor.
You'll struggle to get two comments in the print version of the ET tomorrow, your boss will not be happy! ;-)[/quote] Okay Sydney - I guess its obvious that you have no idea what to do about the litter problem. (Or do you even care whether it improves or not?)
(I also like your distraction tactics that you're attempting to avoid the question)
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Deary me, more of the same off-topic nonsense from Big Al: even by your standard this is poor.
You'll struggle to get two comments in the print version of the ET tomorrow, your boss will not be happy! ;-)
Okay Sydney - I guess its obvious that you have no idea what to do about the litter problem. (Or do you even care whether it improves or not?)
(I also like your distraction tactics that you're attempting to avoid the question)
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 5:06pm Fri 14 Dec 07
SwimFishSwim wrote: "78% of those fined were for cigarettes".
Yes, I'd noticed that and found it a bit concerning. Anyone who wanders through the streets of Glasgow will see the litter still strewn across those streets, yet the council targets resources on a more 'minor' form of littering (and given that it is concentrated in a few areas outside ents venues, the easiest one to clear up).
Could this be anything to do with making sure the numbers stack up (for publicity stunts in the ET) and to heck with actually cleaning up the city?
SwimFishSwim wrote: "78% of those fined were for cigarettes".
Yes, I'd noticed that and found it a bit concerning. Anyone who wanders through the streets of Glasgow will see the litter still strewn across those streets, yet the council targets resources on a more 'minor' form of littering (and given that it is concentrated in a few areas outside ents venues, the easiest one to clear up).
Could this be anything to do with making sure the numbers stack up (for publicity stunts in the ET) and to heck with actually cleaning up the city?
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 5:17pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Well if the bill for Glasgow is £16 million per annun to clean up how are £50 fines going to solve the problem? Say for arguments sake that 1000 people per month are fined (which is currently close to the figures) and that everyone of them paid up. That would be a total generated income of £600,000 per annun. Then take away the cost of employing 32 wardens at say £18,000 per annun each thats £576,000 in wages alone. Then take into account the admin costs, legal fees, etc and i think you would agree that the scheme would not be generating income but merely causing more of a cost to us the tax payers just to have in place.
Justg a thought...
Well if the bill for Glasgow is £16 million per annun to clean up how are £50 fines going to solve the problem? Say for arguments sake that 1000 people per month are fined (which is currently close to the figures) and that everyone of them paid up. That would be a total generated income of £600,000 per annun. Then take away the cost of employing 32 wardens at say £18,000 per annun each thats £576,000 in wages alone. Then take into account the admin costs, legal fees, etc and i think you would agree that the scheme would not be generating income but merely causing more of a cost to us the tax payers just to have in place.
Justg a thought...
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:19pm Fri 14 Dec 07
700 ‘can pay won’t pay’ litter louts face court THIS RAG SPEWS AS A HEADLINE.
How the f*ck does this excuse for a newspaper know who can afford to pay and who cant?
Is this toilet paper rag going to publish bank statments,wage slips and benefits of the victims of purcells bullying wardens?
Only labour scum and this rag could label a child in a pram who drops a sweetie paper unintentionally an anti social lout.
The ET is now confirmed as a do not buy ever again amongst family & friends.
700 ‘can pay won’t pay’ litter louts face court THIS RAG SPEWS AS A HEADLINE.
How the f*ck does this excuse for a newspaper know who can afford to pay and who cant?
Is this toilet paper rag going to publish bank statments,wage slips and benefits of the victims of purcells bullying wardens?
Only labour scum and this rag could label a child in a pram who drops a sweetie paper unintentionally an anti social lout.
The ET is now confirmed as a do not buy ever again amongst family & friends.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:20pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
Well the way I see it is simple: Drop litter - pay a fine! Don't drop litter - don't pay a fine and we have a litter free city! Simple really. There are bins everywhere, so those who drop litter need to start having a bit more respect for their city. I don't care if they think its not a big deal for them - I don't drop litter in Glasgow, so why should I pay for the continuing massive clean-up bill.[/quote] Becase outside the city centre, which some people think is the whole of Glasgow and everywhere else is socially excluded - You'll find that there is hardly any litter bins in these areas that nobody wants to know about.
[bold]Typical ignorance, you should be into Bendy Wendy like an Alsatian to Pedigree Chum![/bold]
Ian wrote:
Well the way I see it is simple: Drop litter - pay a fine! Don't drop litter - don't pay a fine and we have a litter free city! Simple really. There are bins everywhere, so those who drop litter need to start having a bit more respect for their city. I don't care if they think its not a big deal for them - I don't drop litter in Glasgow, so why should I pay for the continuing massive clean-up bill.
Becase outside the city centre, which some people think is the whole of Glasgow and everywhere else is socially excluded - You'll find that there is hardly any litter bins in these areas that nobody wants to know about.
Typical ignorance, you should be into Bendy Wendy like an Alsatian to Pedigree Chum! Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 5:21pm Fri 14 Dec 07
The legislation for the fixed penalty notices was passed by the Scottish parliament in September of 2004, to coincide withthe start of the smoking ban.
Coincidence?
The legislation for the fixed penalty notices was passed by the Scottish parliament in September of 2004, to coincide withthe start of the smoking ban.
Coincidence?
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 5:24pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I wouldn't have thought its supposed to generate income to cover the £16million.
However, as long as the litter wardens are targetting deliberate offenders (which with John's and yourself's examples, its currently not happening in all cases.), but I would hope that would cause that litter-er to think again about dropping his litter in future.
The less litter thats on the streets, then surely the £16million would go down.
I wouldn't have thought its supposed to generate income to cover the £16million.
However, as long as the litter wardens are targetting deliberate offenders (which with John's and yourself's examples, its currently not happening in all cases.), but I would hope that would cause that litter-er to think again about dropping his litter in future.
The less litter thats on the streets, then surely the £16million would go down.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 5:26pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Well said SFS!
The sad fact is that the Clean Glasgow scheme is plainly not working; if it was actually delivering results why would GGC/ET have to resort - six months later - to the gutter tactics of naming/ 'shaming' [bold]those who had already paid[/bold]?
The truth about this latest stunt (naming/ 'shaming') is far more sinister: to boost the faultering ego of a certain Mr Steven Purcell and to inflate the ET circulation.
As Heather pointed out above, note how the tone of the ET has now changed in the last few days, as they realise just how badly Mr Martin has mis-calculated and under-estimated his readership.
Well said SFS!
The sad fact is that the Clean Glasgow scheme is plainly not working; if it was actually delivering results why would GGC/ET have to resort - six months later - to the gutter tactics of naming/ 'shaming'
those who had already paid?
The truth about this latest stunt (naming/ 'shaming') is far more sinister: to boost the faultering ego of a certain Mr Steven Purcell and to inflate the ET circulation.
As Heather pointed out above, note how the tone of the ET has now changed in the last few days, as they realise just how badly Mr Martin has mis-calculated and under-estimated his readership.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:36pm Fri 14 Dec 07
if they dont pay their fine then jail them. get this bloody country sorted out!!!!!
if they dont pay their fine then jail them. get this bloody country sorted out!!!!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 5:39pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[bold]Aye, and put you in a high tower while they're at it![/bpld]
Aye, and put you in a high tower while they're at it!
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 5:40pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Well no, because the running costs for keeping the streets clean would still be the same. If anything the costs will go higher as the council will have to provide more bins, especially for disposing of cigarettes, as they have done in the city centre.
Well no, because the running costs for keeping the streets clean would still be the same. If anything the costs will go higher as the council will have to provide more bins, especially for disposing of cigarettes, as they have done in the city centre.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:41pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]hightower[/bold] wrote:
if they dont pay their fine then jail them. get this bloody country sorted out!!!!![/quote] Overpopulated jails ius the way to go says Hightower, would you like to see your son / daughter or neice / nepheew locked up beside headcases?
[bold]Wee bit hasty with yer comment me thinks![/bold]
hightower wrote:
if they dont pay their fine then jail them. get this bloody country sorted out!!!!!
Overpopulated jails ius the way to go says Hightower, would you like to see your son / daughter or neice / nepheew locked up beside headcases?
Wee bit hasty with yer comment me thinks! Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:42pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I think this whole campagn is a rotten dirty little trick.
If the Glasgow Council was being fair then it warn people that in paying the fixed penalty that your name could still end up in the paper.
Their reason? It would have been harder to extort money from someone wrongly accused of littering.
They will not be able to play this dirty trick on people again. More people WILL opt to go to court. Expect to see Hundreds of them!!!!!
I think this whole campagn is a rotten dirty little trick.
If the Glasgow Council was being fair then it warn people that in paying the fixed penalty that your name could still end up in the paper.
Their reason? It would have been harder to extort money from someone wrongly accused of littering.
They will not be able to play this dirty trick on people again. More people WILL opt to go to court. Expect to see Hundreds of them!!!!!
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:50pm Fri 14 Dec 07
littering shows a lack of respect for yourself and everyone else in this city. Hundreds of wee sh*** chuck stuff everywhere and as they get away withthis they go onto worse things. It is symtomatic of this dont give a crap attitude in this country. So swift hard penalties for minor offences might just prevent more serious ones occuring. Sydney good inteligent contribution to the discussion. cheers for that
littering shows a lack of respect for yourself and everyone else in this city. Hundreds of wee sh*** chuck stuff everywhere and as they get away withthis they go onto worse things. It is symtomatic of this dont give a crap attitude in this country. So swift hard penalties for minor offences might just prevent more serious ones occuring. Sydney good inteligent contribution to the discussion. cheers for that
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:50pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
I wouldn't have thought its supposed to generate income to cover the £16million. However, as long as the litter wardens are targetting deliberate offenders (which with John's and yourself's examples, its currently not happening in all cases.), but I would hope that would cause that litter-er to think again about dropping his litter in future. The less litter thats on the streets, then surely the £16million would go down. [/quote] I take it that when you say,[quote] John's[/quote] me Big Al? I have done nothing. What did you say the punishment should be for ant-social people? IF YOUR SLANDERING ME, YOU FIT IN THAT CATEGORY PAL
Big Al wrote:
I wouldn't have thought its supposed to generate income to cover the £16million. However, as long as the litter wardens are targetting deliberate offenders (which with John's and yourself's examples, its currently not happening in all cases.), but I would hope that would cause that litter-er to think again about dropping his litter in future. The less litter thats on the streets, then surely the £16million would go down.
I take it that when you say,
John's
me Big Al? I have done nothing. What did you say the punishment should be for ant-social people? IF YOUR SLANDERING ME, YOU FIT IN THAT CATEGORY PAL
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 5:54pm Fri 14 Dec 07
sorry John, I should have phrased that better.
The examples that you posted earlier about the litter wardens that were not doing their job properly... that's what I meant. With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin.
These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
sorry John, I should have phrased that better.
The examples that you posted earlier about the litter wardens that were not doing their job properly... that's what I meant. With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin.
These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:56pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
sorry John, I should have phrased that better. The examples that you posted earlier about the litter wardens that were not doing their job properly... that's what I meant. With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin. These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.[/quote] So you should be. You see how easy it is to gave an innocent person a bad name. I'll let you off, coz I'm not petty,
Big Al wrote:
sorry John, I should have phrased that better. The examples that you posted earlier about the litter wardens that were not doing their job properly... that's what I meant. With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin. These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
So you should be. You see how easy it is to gave an innocent person a bad name. I'll let you off, coz I'm not petty,
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 5:59pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Which is why the "zero tolerance" policy is nothing but an excuse for excessive revenue collecting. And coming from the same people who are considering the reduction of refuge collections from once a week to once a fortnight.
Which is why the "zero tolerance" policy is nothing but an excuse for excessive revenue collecting. And coming from the same people who are considering the reduction of refuge collections from once a week to once a fortnight.
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 6:02pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.[/quote] Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more![/quote] Ha Ha...At least I know my geography!
john wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote: Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.
Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more!
Ha Ha...At least I know my geography!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:09pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.[/quote] Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more![/quote] Ha Ha...At least I know my geography![/quote] At least I KNOW MY @RSE FROM ELBOW
Scottish Rose wrote:
john wrote: SwimFishSwim wrote: Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
And neither do you as this can not be brushed of as the sort of black/white, good guys/badguys that Americans love so much. There are alot of grey areas surrounding this. First of all why have the council suddenly introduced wardens to enforce legislation that has been on the books for 16 years. Because they are concerned with litter or because they want to generate income for themselves. Why could the council wish to generate further income by any means neccessary? Well the Commonwealth Games is coming and it's not going to come cheap. We've already seen cost cutting going on in other council departments such as the cut in school crossing staff and their own daycare workers have been on strike due to the conditions that they have to struggle with such as the cutting of transport for handicapped people who need it, meaning wheelchair-bound clients have to spend 5 hours on an adapted bus every day just to get to and from a day care centre. When they get there the Council are telling them that they can't even afford a TV at the centre for the clients to watch, yet they can pay thousands to create a website naming people fined for dropping a cigarette (and it is primarily for that, in July alone 78% of those fined were for cigarettes) To yourself and others don't be so naive in thinking that the council have got the interests of making Glasgow a cleaner city to live in. This is all about creating a political legacy for Stephen Purcell and his New Labour cronies.
Another excellent post SwimFishSwim. As for Scottish Rose, just ignor her she was on yesterday with the same drivel. She got a good spanking then and is back for more!
Ha Ha...At least I know my geography!
At least I KNOW MY @RSE FROM ELBOW
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:13pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Big Al wrote:
...... With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin. These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
So Big Al, at last you admit that innocent people, like SwimFishSwim will have been slandered by both The Evening Times AND GCC. People who have not been tried in a court. I ask you, is that not anti-social?
Big Al wrote:
...... With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin. These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
So Big Al, at last you admit that innocent people, like SwimFishSwim will have been slandered by both The Evening Times AND GCC. People who have not been tried in a court. I ask you, is that not anti-social?
Posted by: Deefie Dougie, wis fae Glesga on 6:15pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Its not just litter that is a proble, some of the wee shops are filthy; unfortunately they are usually owned and run my Ethnic minorities. No one gets ill because of litter, however they may do if they buy food from a dirty wee shop.
Its not just litter that is a proble, some of the wee shops are filthy; unfortunately they are usually owned and run my Ethnic minorities. No one gets ill because of litter, however they may do if they buy food from a dirty wee shop.
Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 6:16pm Fri 14 Dec 07
the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Posted by: Deefie Dougie, wis from Glesga on 6:19pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote:
the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council[/quote] Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
HOLY WILLIE wrote:
the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 6:22pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
Big Al wrote:
...... With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin. These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
So Big Al, at last you admit that innocent people, like SwimFishSwim will have been slandered by both The Evening Times AND GCC. People who have not been tried in a court. I ask you, is that not anti-social?[/quote] Or even trial by media, which is reason enough for a case getting thrown out of court.
I find it disturbing as well the nature of today's article with the "can pay/won't pay litter louts" theme running through it. All this because i want my right to treated as innocent until proven guilty? What next, it will be my fault that some criminal on parole committed a crime because his case couldn't be heard until mine was?
john wrote:
Big Al wrote:
...... With SwimFishSwim's example, again the litter wardens were not doing their job properly as he dropped something, but picked it up again and put it in the bin. These are not the people the litter wardens should be targetting.
So Big Al, at last you admit that innocent people, like SwimFishSwim will have been slandered by both The Evening Times AND GCC. People who have not been tried in a court. I ask you, is that not anti-social?
Or even trial by media, which is reason enough for a case getting thrown out of court.
I find it disturbing as well the nature of today's article with the "can pay/won't pay litter louts" theme running through it. All this because i want my right to treated as innocent until proven guilty? What next, it will be my fault that some criminal on parole committed a crime because his case couldn't be heard until mine was?
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 6:25pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote:
the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council[/quote] Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.[/quote] I see wedding bells on the horizon!
Deefie Dougie wrote:
HOLY WILLIE wrote:
the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
I see wedding bells on the horizon!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:31pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council[/quote] Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.[/quote] I see wedding bells on the horizon![/quote] Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom.
I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole...
anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal...
Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon!
SwimFishSwim wrote:
Deefie Dougie wrote: HOLY WILLIE wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
I see wedding bells on the horizon!
Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom.
I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole...
anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal...
Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon!
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 6:37pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Good idea John and i never do let them get me down.
Good idea John and i never do let them get me down.
Posted by: Deefie Dougie, wis fae Glesga on 6:47pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council[/quote] Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.[/quote] I see wedding bells on the horizon![/quote] Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom. I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole... anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal... Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon![/quote] Thats the problem with people like you, you play the racist card. I am not racist in anyway, I work with a charity that supports ethnic minotities, however the dirty shops we have in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities, it nothing to do with being racist.
john wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote: Deefie Dougie wrote: HOLY WILLIE wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
I see wedding bells on the horizon!
Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom. I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole... anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal... Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon!
Thats the problem with people like you, you play the racist card. I am not racist in anyway, I work with a charity that supports ethnic minotities, however the dirty shops we have in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities, it nothing to do with being racist.
Posted by: cheecko37, Glasgow on 6:55pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I Agree with John Brown. I'M SICK OF ME OR ONE OF THE KIDS STANDING ON DOG **** RIGHT AT MY GARDEN GATE. The first dog i actually catch **** on my path i will personally push the owners face in it. MAN OR WOMAN. Very unhappy tenant. Crowhill St Glasgow. they should jail the owners of **** dogs who dont carry poop scoops.
I Agree with John Brown. I'M SICK OF ME OR ONE OF THE KIDS STANDING ON DOG **** RIGHT AT MY GARDEN GATE. The first dog i actually catch **** on my path i will personally push the owners face in it. MAN OR WOMAN. Very unhappy tenant. Crowhill St Glasgow. they should jail the owners of **** dogs who dont carry poop scoops.
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 6:57pm Fri 14 Dec 07
"At least I KNOW MY @RSE FROM ELBOW"
Shouldn't be difficult - assuming you don't talk through your elbow as well as your @rse.
What a heap of pathetic, whining drivel on this forum - people who don't seem to know the basic difference between right and wrong complaining about everything BUT the original offenders who make the city a mess and have rightly been caught and fined. No wonder there are so many people out there who don't give a **** about anyone but themselves with you lot fighting their corner. If these morons didn't drop the litter in the first place, there would be no £16M bill, and maybe the day centre could get their TV.
"At least I KNOW MY @RSE FROM ELBOW"
Shouldn't be difficult - assuming you don't talk through your elbow as well as your @rse.
What a heap of pathetic, whining drivel on this forum - people who don't seem to know the basic difference between right and wrong complaining about everything BUT the original offenders who make the city a mess and have rightly been caught and fined. No wonder there are so many people out there who don't give a **** about anyone but themselves with you lot fighting their corner. If these morons didn't drop the litter in the first place, there would be no £16M bill, and maybe the day centre could get their TV.
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 7:10pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council[/quote] Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.[/quote] I see wedding bells on the horizon![/quote] Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom. I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole... anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal... Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon![/quote] Thats the problem with people like you, you play the racist card. I am not racist in anyway, I work with a charity that supports ethnic minotities, however the dirty shops we have in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities, it nothing to do with being racist.[/quote] Right let me see. You just agreed with a guy who made a sweeping statement who thinks that anyone who isn't white or Scottish is unemployed and begging, whilst you make a sweeping statement that all ethnic minority shops in this city are dirty.
People like me? you mean non-racists i presume.
Nah, YOU'RE not racist...
Deefie Dougie wrote:
john wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote: Deefie Dougie wrote: HOLY WILLIE wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
I see wedding bells on the horizon!
Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom. I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole... anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal... Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon!
Thats the problem with people like you, you play the racist card. I am not racist in anyway, I work with a charity that supports ethnic minotities, however the dirty shops we have in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities, it nothing to do with being racist.
Right let me see. You just agreed with a guy who made a sweeping statement who thinks that anyone who isn't white or Scottish is unemployed and begging, whilst you make a sweeping statement that all ethnic minority shops in this city are dirty.
People like me? you mean non-racists i presume.
Nah, YOU'RE not racist...
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 7:12pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Scott[/bold] wrote:
"At least I KNOW MY @RSE FROM ELBOW"
Shouldn't be difficult - assuming you don't talk through your elbow as well as your @rse.
What a heap of pathetic, whining drivel on this forum - people who don't seem to know the basic difference between right and wrong complaining about everything BUT the original offenders who make the city a mess and have rightly been caught and fined. No wonder there are so many people out there who don't give a **** about anyone but themselves with you lot fighting their corner. If these morons didn't drop the litter in the first place, there would be no £16M bill, and maybe the day centre could get their TV.[/quote] What has the annual £16 million pounds needed to do with litter wardens? Do you think your rubbish bags magically disappear once a week?
Scott wrote:
"At least I KNOW MY @RSE FROM ELBOW"
Shouldn't be difficult - assuming you don't talk through your elbow as well as your @rse.
What a heap of pathetic, whining drivel on this forum - people who don't seem to know the basic difference between right and wrong complaining about everything BUT the original offenders who make the city a mess and have rightly been caught and fined. No wonder there are so many people out there who don't give a **** about anyone but themselves with you lot fighting their corner. If these morons didn't drop the litter in the first place, there would be no £16M bill, and maybe the day centre could get their TV.
What has the annual £16 million pounds needed to do with litter wardens? Do you think your rubbish bags magically disappear once a week?
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 7:17pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Tut,Tut..Holy Willie where is your christian spirit at this time of the year if those people your on about get a haud of you they will toss you oot a tenenment windae....and I'll open the windae for them...
Tut,Tut..Holy Willie where is your christian spirit at this time of the year if those people your on about get a haud of you they will toss you oot a tenenment windae....and I'll open the windae for them...
Posted by: watz, g31 on 7:29pm Fri 14 Dec 07
to the person who looks after 2 elderly people and is a carer. try workng full time and you'll find many of us care full time for elderly sick people as well.
to the person who looks after 2 elderly people and is a carer. try workng full time and you'll find many of us care full time for elderly sick people as well.
Posted by: Jim on 7:35pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Just a thought - if some TV company made a film with all the above folks in it, surely it would be a best seller, pure dead brilliant
Just a thought - if some TV company made a film with all the above folks in it, surely it would be a best seller, pure dead brilliant
Posted by: Deefie Dougie on 7:40pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Deefie Dougie[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council[/quote] Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.[/quote] I see wedding bells on the horizon![/quote] Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom. I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole... anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal... Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon![/quote] Thats the problem with people like you, you play the racist card. I am not racist in anyway, I work with a charity that supports ethnic minotities, however the dirty shops we have in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities, it nothing to do with being racist.[/quote] Right let me see. You just agreed with a guy who made a sweeping statement who thinks that anyone who isn't white or Scottish is unemployed and begging, whilst you make a sweeping statement that all ethnic minority shops in this city are dirty. People like me? you mean non-racists i presume. Nah, YOU'RE not racist...[/quote] I didnae say [bold]ALL[/bold] ethnic minority shops are dirty. I said the dirty shops in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities.
[bold]That disnae mean that they are ALL dirty, Read b4 you reply my wee man.[/bold]
SwimFishSwim wrote:
Deefie Dougie wrote: john wrote: SwimFishSwim wrote: Deefie Dougie wrote: HOLY WILLIE wrote: the asylum seekers, gypsies ,travellers or whatever crap you want to call them had better have a good look about before throwing their plastic carrier bags out of their filthy tenement flat windows lest they be fined and have to hand over their hard earned dole or begging money to the council
Wullie, you are right, the dirtiest place in Glasgow is Govanhill and it is full of these people. They do need to be educated about this. their home countries accept these dirty attitudes and we don't, well most of us don't.
I see wedding bells on the horizon!
Yeah, did these people type the right web address, This isnt a racist chatroom. I had to laff at ur previous post, about parole... anyway Im away Im off for beer while thats still legal... Goodluck and dont let B's get ya doon!
Thats the problem with people like you, you play the racist card. I am not racist in anyway, I work with a charity that supports ethnic minotities, however the dirty shops we have in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities, it nothing to do with being racist.
Right let me see. You just agreed with a guy who made a sweeping statement who thinks that anyone who isn't white or Scottish is unemployed and begging, whilst you make a sweeping statement that all ethnic minority shops in this city are dirty. People like me? you mean non-racists i presume. Nah, YOU'RE not racist...
I didnae say
ALL ethnic minority shops are dirty. I said the dirty shops in Glasgow are run by ethnic minorities.
That disnae mean that they are ALL dirty, Read b4 you reply my wee man. Posted by: goodster, London on 7:56pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame![/quote] Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew????
The Missing City wrote:
Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame!
Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew????
Posted by: goodster, London on 8:10pm Fri 14 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
Well the way I see it is simple: Drop litter - pay a fine! Don't drop litter - don't pay a fine and we have a litter free city! Simple really. There are bins everywhere, so those who drop litter need to start having a bit more respect for their city. I don't care if they think its not a big deal for them - I don't drop litter in Glasgow, so why should I pay for the continuing massive clean-up bill.[/quote] Could not agree more Ian. Some folk on this forum cannot grasp this simple logic.
Ian wrote:
Well the way I see it is simple: Drop litter - pay a fine! Don't drop litter - don't pay a fine and we have a litter free city! Simple really. There are bins everywhere, so those who drop litter need to start having a bit more respect for their city. I don't care if they think its not a big deal for them - I don't drop litter in Glasgow, so why should I pay for the continuing massive clean-up bill.
Could not agree more Ian. Some folk on this forum cannot grasp this simple logic.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 9:18pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Goodster, Ian & all the rest of you that think naming & shaming is right..We do get the point, dropping litter is [italic]wrong[/italic] end of story but naming & shaming them is also wrong & thats what the protest on here is about...
Goodster, Ian & all the rest of you that think naming & shaming is right..We do get the point, dropping litter is
wrong end of story but naming & shaming them is also wrong & thats what the protest on here is about...
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 9:41pm Fri 14 Dec 07
I totally agree that Glasgow is minging but the council is contracted to clean the streets 24/7 so even if the rubbish was put in bins it wouldn't save any money;just make the city nicer to live in, like Bruges or Barcelona.If people are concerned about the cost of council services why don't they lobby their councillor to charge for entry to Art Gallery, Burrell Collection etc.and maybe we didn't need the spin doctor recently appointed at £50000 a year to tell us what a great job the council is doing.
I totally agree that Glasgow is minging but the council is contracted to clean the streets 24/7 so even if the rubbish was put in bins it wouldn't save any money;just make the city nicer to live in, like Bruges or Barcelona.If people are concerned about the cost of council services why don't they lobby their councillor to charge for entry to Art Gallery, Burrell Collection etc.and maybe we didn't need the spin doctor recently appointed at £50000 a year to tell us what a great job the council is doing.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 10:05pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Some of these posts are like war and peace.
keep them like wee wendy,short,and less than 950words thank you....
Some of these posts are like war and peace.
keep them like wee wendy,short,and less than 950words thank you....
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:15pm Fri 14 Dec 07
Whats done is done here - those who don't like it can lump it! The E.T. may well be in the wrong - but how many will actually follow up any complaints ?
People are too good at moaning and whinging, and not to the right places - i.e. the P.C.C.
Take this issue up at the right level and department.
As for all these alleged litter pickers - more fool them for being potentially caught.
They may bot have been tried yet - but whether their found guilty or not - maybe this entire exercise of the E.T. will force people to think twice of dropping litter in future.
Bins may be few and far between, vandalised, even set on fire.
But - G.C.C could supply a whole lot more of them, and a much better design to make them far more accessable and appealing to the eye.
Far more can be done on this issue by G.C.C. and Joe Public as a whole.
Lets just hope that this whole charade of "War And Peace" as jrb puts it actually has some kind of impact in the right departments, and places - as talking / procrastinating does nothing!
And finally - "ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS!" PERIOD!!!!!!
Whats done is done here - those who don't like it can lump it! The E.T. may well be in the wrong - but how many will actually follow up any complaints ?
People are too good at moaning and whinging, and not to the right places - i.e. the P.C.C.
Take this issue up at the right level and department.
As for all these alleged litter pickers - more fool them for being potentially caught.
They may bot have been tried yet - but whether their found guilty or not - maybe this entire exercise of the E.T. will force people to think twice of dropping litter in future.
Bins may be few and far between, vandalised, even set on fire.
But - G.C.C could supply a whole lot more of them, and a much better design to make them far more accessable and appealing to the eye.
Far more can be done on this issue by G.C.C. and Joe Public as a whole.
Lets just hope that this whole charade of "War And Peace" as jrb puts it actually has some kind of impact in the right departments, and places - as talking / procrastinating does nothing!
And finally - "ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS!" PERIOD!!!!!!
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 9:01am Sat 15 Dec 07
This will do feck all to stop littering,
just means you have a wee peek make sure you are not being watched by a poxy pc warden then dump your fag end on the ground.
Dont buy the ET it is full of labour sh*te.
This will do feck all to stop littering,
just means you have a wee peek make sure you are not being watched by a poxy pc warden then dump your fag end on the ground.
Dont buy the ET it is full of labour sh*te.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 9:28am Sat 15 Dec 07
Well, well, well, it seems that Big Al (aka GCC spokesman) is a liar, as well as a fraud: when I put it to him above that he had introduced statistics realting to the cost of UK-wide chewing gum removal and attributed it to Glasgow alone (to escalate the scale of the problem), he said, "Again, if you had read the post, then you will also find that [bold]it wasn't me[/bold] that confused that statistic with between Glasgow and UK costs - it was someone else."
In fact here's what he actually said in the first place, "Sorry, but it is a disgrace when [bold]the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year[/bold]. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a disgrace?"
As I've said before: you've been rumbled, away and take your spin elsewhere and let the people of Glasgow discuss this without your paid-for interference.
Well, well, well, it seems that Big Al (aka GCC spokesman) is a liar, as well as a fraud: when I put it to him above that he had introduced statistics realting to the cost of UK-wide chewing gum removal and attributed it to Glasgow alone (to escalate the scale of the problem), he said, "Again, if you had read the post, then you will also find that
it wasn't me that confused that statistic with between Glasgow and UK costs - it was someone else."
In fact here's what he actually said in the first place, "Sorry, but it is a disgrace when
the council has to spend money clearing up chewing gum. According to the BBC, this amounts to £150m each year. Just clearing up chewing gum! Still don't think that's a disgrace?"
As I've said before: you've been rumbled, away and take your spin elsewhere and let the people of Glasgow discuss this without your paid-for interference.
Posted by: bipod, glasgow on 10:16am Sat 15 Dec 07
There is no statutory definition of litter. The Environmental Protection Act 1990 (s.87) states that litter is ‘anything that is dropped, thrown, left or deposited that causes defacement, in a public place’. This accords with the popular interpretation that ‘litter is waste in the wrong place’.
Some people caught with this idiotic scheme are people who have dropped till receipts by accident if i were them i wouldnt pay go to court and it will be thrown out. The procurator fiscals arent going to be able to cope with all of the non payers so they will be let off scott free lol
However, local authority cleansing officers and their contractors have developed a common understanding of the term and the definition used for this BVPI (and for the LEQSE) is based on this industry norm.
Litter includes mainly synthetic materials, often associated with smoking, eating and drinking, that are [bold]improperly[/bold] discarded and left by members of the public; or are spilt during waste management operations. Litter may also include putrescible or clinical wastes, or faeces such as dog, bird and other animal faeces.
There is no statutory definition of litter. The Environmental Protection Act 1990 (s.87) states that litter is ‘anything that is dropped, thrown, left or deposited that causes defacement, in a public place’. This accords with the popular interpretation that ‘litter is waste in the wrong place’.
Some people caught with this idiotic scheme are people who have dropped till receipts by accident if i were them i wouldnt pay go to court and it will be thrown out. The procurator fiscals arent going to be able to cope with all of the non payers so they will be let off scott free lol
However, local authority cleansing officers and their contractors have developed a common understanding of the term and the definition used for this BVPI (and for the LEQSE) is based on this industry norm.
Litter includes mainly synthetic materials, often associated with smoking, eating and drinking, that are
improperly discarded and left by members of the public; or are spilt during waste management operations. Litter may also include putrescible or clinical wastes, or faeces such as dog, bird and other animal faeces.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 11:14am Sat 15 Dec 07
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
This will do feck all to stop littering, just means you have a wee peek make sure you are not being watched by a poxy pc warden then dump your fag end on the ground. Dont buy the ET it is full of labour sh*te. [/quote] haha, guess what we all do at work
named and shamed masel!
beat you to it ET!
ex labour voter wrote:
This will do feck all to stop littering, just means you have a wee peek make sure you are not being watched by a poxy pc warden then dump your fag end on the ground. Dont buy the ET it is full of labour sh*te.
haha, guess what we all do at work
named and shamed masel!
beat you to it ET!
Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 12:56pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Glad to see the justice system has got it's priorities right along with the ET.
So millions get spent on cleaning up Glasgow.
How much do you think is going to be spent taking all these folk to court for non-payment of fines?
There's a case going through the courts at the moment on this very subject.
If the person wins the case, which is looking likely, will the ET be reporting on the front page that GCC have had to repay all the fines back to people due to them not being issued properly by people with the correct authority?
Meantime, the courts aren't jailing violent criminals because the jails are full. Another urban myth that the justice minister puts about is that most criminals on short sentences re-offend. Maybe that's due to the fact that they are career criminals and have had umpteen convictions before they eventually get jailed?
But that's ok let's waste court time and resourses on the rustling of sweetie papers...
Glad to see the justice system has got it's priorities right along with the ET.
So millions get spent on cleaning up Glasgow.
How much do you think is going to be spent taking all these folk to court for non-payment of fines?
There's a case going through the courts at the moment on this very subject.
If the person wins the case, which is looking likely, will the ET be reporting on the front page that GCC have had to repay all the fines back to people due to them not being issued properly by people with the correct authority?
Meantime, the courts aren't jailing violent criminals because the jails are full. Another urban myth that the justice minister puts about is that most criminals on short sentences re-offend. Maybe that's due to the fact that they are career criminals and have had umpteen convictions before they eventually get jailed?
But that's ok let's waste court time and resourses on the rustling of sweetie papers...
Posted by: john, renfrew on 2:17pm Sat 15 Dec 07
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame![/quote] Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew???? [/quote] Excuse me goodster and everone who makes assumptions about people (ET readers all?). I aint on the dole. I have indepandant means and I care for my elderly and sick parents.If I was on the dole and I have been before, well I guess that make a 'lout', would it? Yes, there is an A$$ in ASSUMPTION, and you are it!!!
goodster wrote:
The Missing City wrote: Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame!
Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew????
Excuse me goodster and everone who makes assumptions about people (ET readers all?). I aint on the dole. I have indepandant means and I care for my elderly and sick parents.If I was on the dole and I have been before, well I guess that make a 'lout', would it? Yes, there is an A$$ in ASSUMPTION, and you are it!!!
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 2:41pm Sat 15 Dec 07
of course if all the wrongful payers are refunded, then i'm sure the ET will name and shame all those at GCC and the ET involved in the witchhunt
i wish i had something better to do at work than troll this thread
of course if all the wrongful payers are refunded, then i'm sure the ET will name and shame all those at GCC and the ET involved in the witchhunt
i wish i had something better to do at work than troll this thread
Posted by: AlanD, Glasgow on 4:06pm Sat 15 Dec 07
There is an attitude problem in Glasgow that says it's ok to litter, i.e. Glasgows got bigger problems to deal with. But that sort of attitude is very negative. What if these other bigger issues don't change for the better in the next 30 years, do we just forget about the smaller issues? There's enough resources to address this, have we collectively got the willpower.
Changing public attitudes takes time, but you don't have to go far to see one success story this has happened in the last 20 years.
Drink driving.
Back in the day dd was tolerated by the public. The police and government upped the publicity and over the course of the next 10-15 years the general public are not tolerant of drink driving, and the label sticks now. So much so there is a campaign at the moment showing the consequences 6-12 months after conviction. Throughout that time the police enforced the message, backed up with regular publicity.
The parallels with Drink driving and litter louts are:-
1. The level of force (police or warden) remains constant throughout
2. Regular publicity to raise awareness and get the public onside
And here's the biggie.
3. The costs of the program remain constant over time, but the results keep increasing as peer/public pressure changes.
At some point the "benefit" of breaking the law isn't worth it for the majority of people, and the main reason is sustained peer or public pressure. Eventually the old baits change and only the hardcore offenders remain for the police to deal with.
So do the people of Glasgow want to change their tolerance towards litter, and are they prepared for a long campaign?
There is an attitude problem in Glasgow that says it's ok to litter, i.e. Glasgows got bigger problems to deal with. But that sort of attitude is very negative. What if these other bigger issues don't change for the better in the next 30 years, do we just forget about the smaller issues? There's enough resources to address this, have we collectively got the willpower.
Changing public attitudes takes time, but you don't have to go far to see one success story this has happened in the last 20 years.
Drink driving.
Back in the day dd was tolerated by the public. The police and government upped the publicity and over the course of the next 10-15 years the general public are not tolerant of drink driving, and the label sticks now. So much so there is a campaign at the moment showing the consequences 6-12 months after conviction. Throughout that time the police enforced the message, backed up with regular publicity.
The parallels with Drink driving and litter louts are:-
1. The level of force (police or warden) remains constant throughout
2. Regular publicity to raise awareness and get the public onside
And here's the biggie.
3. The costs of the program remain constant over time, but the results keep increasing as peer/public pressure changes.
At some point the "benefit" of breaking the law isn't worth it for the majority of people, and the main reason is sustained peer or public pressure. Eventually the old baits change and only the hardcore offenders remain for the police to deal with.
So do the people of Glasgow want to change their tolerance towards litter, and are they prepared for a long campaign?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:25pm Sat 15 Dec 07
[quote][bold]AlanD[/bold] wrote:
There is an attitude problem in Glasgow that says it's ok to litter, i.e. Glasgows got bigger problems to deal with. But that sort of attitude is very negative. What if these other bigger issues don't change for the better in the next 30 years, do we just forget about the smaller issues? There's enough resources to address this, have we collectively got the willpower. Changing public attitudes takes time, but you don't have to go far to see one success story this has happened in the last 20 years. Drink driving. Back in the day dd was tolerated by the public. The police and government upped the publicity and over the course of the next 10-15 years the general public are not tolerant of drink driving, and the label sticks now. So much so there is a campaign at the moment showing the consequences 6-12 months after conviction. Throughout that time the police enforced the message, backed up with regular publicity. The parallels with Drink driving and litter louts are:- 1. The level of force (police or warden) remains constant throughout 2. Regular publicity to raise awareness and get the public onside And here's the biggie. 3. The costs of the program remain constant over time, but the results keep increasing as peer/public pressure changes. At some point the "benefit" of breaking the law isn't worth it for the majority of people, and the main reason is sustained peer or public pressure. Eventually the old baits change and only the hardcore offenders remain for the police to deal with. So do the people of Glasgow want to change their tolerance towards litter, and are they prepared for a long campaign? [/quote] I think in comparing this campagn to the drink driving one doesnt wash.
How do these petty tattle actions compare? I think that its just putting peoples backs up: most people I know see it this way, another stupid PR campagn from wooden top hypocrites in George Square.
The drink driving campagn has had popular support because it saved lifes.
The money for this exercise could have been better spent on more police to make the streets safer! Oh and yes, police can stop litters too. Incidently AlanD, they also stop drunk drivers too!
AlanD wrote:
There is an attitude problem in Glasgow that says it's ok to litter, i.e. Glasgows got bigger problems to deal with. But that sort of attitude is very negative. What if these other bigger issues don't change for the better in the next 30 years, do we just forget about the smaller issues? There's enough resources to address this, have we collectively got the willpower. Changing public attitudes takes time, but you don't have to go far to see one success story this has happened in the last 20 years. Drink driving. Back in the day dd was tolerated by the public. The police and government upped the publicity and over the course of the next 10-15 years the general public are not tolerant of drink driving, and the label sticks now. So much so there is a campaign at the moment showing the consequences 6-12 months after conviction. Throughout that time the police enforced the message, backed up with regular publicity. The parallels with Drink driving and litter louts are:- 1. The level of force (police or warden) remains constant throughout 2. Regular publicity to raise awareness and get the public onside And here's the biggie. 3. The costs of the program remain constant over time, but the results keep increasing as peer/public pressure changes. At some point the "benefit" of breaking the law isn't worth it for the majority of people, and the main reason is sustained peer or public pressure. Eventually the old baits change and only the hardcore offenders remain for the police to deal with. So do the people of Glasgow want to change their tolerance towards litter, and are they prepared for a long campaign?
I think in comparing this campagn to the drink driving one doesnt wash.
How do these petty tattle actions compare? I think that its just putting peoples backs up: most people I know see it this way, another stupid PR campagn from wooden top hypocrites in George Square.
The drink driving campagn has had popular support because it saved lifes.
The money for this exercise could have been better spent on more police to make the streets safer! Oh and yes, police can stop litters too. Incidently AlanD, they also stop drunk drivers too!
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 4:55pm Sat 15 Dec 07
how many kids have been killed by a empty crisp poke in comparison to drunk drivers?
littering is bad,we know that
but find another way to shift papers other than witchhunting someone for being daft
you think people sit in their house plotting where to fling their chip wrappers?
how many kids have been killed by a empty crisp poke in comparison to drunk drivers?
littering is bad,we know that
but find another way to shift papers other than witchhunting someone for being daft
you think people sit in their house plotting where to fling their chip wrappers?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 7:11pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Good one yerauldda!
Sorry AlanD, the comparison doesn't work: like comparing dandruff to AIDS.
Most decent people - dare I say myself included - want to see littering reduced, if not eradicated; this discussion though is about the flagrant and unnecessary abuse of power by two of the most powerful institutions in Glasgow life.
I appreciate what you're saying about public opinion AlanD, but at the end of the day you do not change this by using language like "YOU WERE WARNED", as john above says, this just gets people's back up.
Finally consider this: why has the matter suddenly become a big issue? For me it's simple, Steven Purcell has politicised the issue by bombastically stating at the launch of the Clean Glasgow campaign that he would make "Glasgow the cleanest city in the world". Now either he does this or he is made to look a failure....
Good one yerauldda!
Sorry AlanD, the comparison doesn't work: like comparing dandruff to AIDS.
Most decent people - dare I say myself included - want to see littering reduced, if not eradicated; this discussion though is about the flagrant and unnecessary abuse of power by two of the most powerful institutions in Glasgow life.
I appreciate what you're saying about public opinion AlanD, but at the end of the day you do not change this by using language like "YOU WERE WARNED", as john above says, this just gets people's back up.
Finally consider this: why has the matter suddenly become a big issue? For me it's simple, Steven Purcell has politicised the issue by bombastically stating at the launch of the Clean Glasgow campaign that he would make "Glasgow the cleanest city in the world". Now either he does this or he is made to look a failure....
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 7:56pm Sat 15 Dec 07
aye the "you were warned" bit gets me
what did they think the whole of glasgow was going to go "oh no! it's the ET! mammy!"
and did they only publish names of peeps who got fined after they were "warned"
who exactly are the evening times to warn us anyway?
aye the "you were warned" bit gets me
what did they think the whole of glasgow was going to go "oh no! it's the ET! mammy!"
and did they only publish names of peeps who got fined after they were "warned"
who exactly are the evening times to warn us anyway?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:11pm Sat 15 Dec 07
Aye - an' the amazing thing is this whole thread hasn't been deleted!
If this had been a few months back - we'd of seen all this ribbing, and slating of New Labour, and the ET silenced - and deleted.
Glad to see the ET is at least letting us have our say - even when it's such bad criticisms of them.
Just read the threads on the stories on line as a follow up - never mind the paper / articles alone!
The thoughts of us folk who express our views counts far more - and is a far more interesting read than the crap the ET spouts!
And yerauldda - keep the comical and informative patter coming ;-)
Aye - an' the amazing thing is this whole thread hasn't been deleted!
If this had been a few months back - we'd of seen all this ribbing, and slating of New Labour, and the ET silenced - and deleted.
Glad to see the ET is at least letting us have our say - even when it's such bad criticisms of them.
Just read the threads on the stories on line as a follow up - never mind the paper / articles alone!
The thoughts of us folk who express our views counts far more - and is a far more interesting read than the crap the ET spouts!
And yerauldda - keep the comical and informative patter coming ;-)
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 10:14pm Sat 15 Dec 07
I cannot wait until all our jails are filled with these people that drop litter. I mean we will have to detain people eventually for non-payment, take up places in our jails and allow the muggers and murderers to walk the clean streets. I wonder if Glasgow council should fund the jailing of any of its citizens under such circumstances as this additional revenue that they have why should the rest of Scotland pay for it.
I cannot wait until all our jails are filled with these people that drop litter. I mean we will have to detain people eventually for non-payment, take up places in our jails and allow the muggers and murderers to walk the clean streets. I wonder if Glasgow council should fund the jailing of any of its citizens under such circumstances as this additional revenue that they have why should the rest of Scotland pay for it.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 9:12am Sun 16 Dec 07
The following is a quote from The Glasow Herald (sister paper of The Evening Times):
[italic]The initiative means Glasgow will be home to one of the most draconian environmental regimes in Scotland. Officers look like police, with dark uniforms, hats with chequered bands and stab-proof vests. They can also hand out fixed penalty notices.[/italic]
This excerpt was from the article: Mean Teams Take War on Litter to The Streets, 25/5/07.
Paradoxically, there seems to be a difference in tone betweens these two papers. Is it because the publishers view the demographic of The Herald as 'the thinking man'?
[bold]Therefore, if you are a thinking man or woman, you shouldnt be buying The Evening Times?[/bold]
The following is a quote from The Glasow Herald (sister paper of The Evening Times):
The initiative means Glasgow will be home to one of the most draconian environmental regimes in Scotland. Officers look like police, with dark uniforms, hats with chequered bands and stab-proof vests. They can also hand out fixed penalty notices.
This excerpt was from the article: Mean Teams Take War on Litter to The Streets, 25/5/07.
Paradoxically, there seems to be a difference in tone betweens these two papers. Is it because the publishers view the demographic of The Herald as 'the thinking man'?
Therefore, if you are a thinking man or woman, you shouldnt be buying The Evening Times? Posted by: john, renfrew on 10:52am Sun 16 Dec 07
Here is another interesting quote from the timesonline:
[italic]Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter.[/italic]
In this country we seeing widespread abuses of power and errosion of civil liberties. We, the law abiding people are being made to pay for the lowest common denonimator in society.
The reason, its cheaper than adressing the route cause. Its cheaper than spending money and trying to educate people.
No, Evening Times and GCC, it seems you think its better to insult the public and lower everyone's moral.
I am a law abiding citzen. Evening Times and GCC, your anti-social and facist behavior is far far worse than anyone who drops a sweetie paper!!!!
Here is another interesting quote from the timesonline:
Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter.
In this country we seeing widespread abuses of power and errosion of civil liberties. We, the law abiding people are being made to pay for the lowest common denonimator in society.
The reason, its cheaper than adressing the route cause. Its cheaper than spending money and trying to educate people.
No, Evening Times and GCC, it seems you think its better to insult the public and lower everyone's moral.
I am a law abiding citzen. Evening Times and GCC, your anti-social and facist behavior is far far worse than anyone who drops a sweetie paper!!!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:03pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame![/quote] Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew???? [/quote] Excuse me goodster and everone who makes assumptions about people (ET readers all?). I aint on the dole. I have indepandant means and I care for my elderly and sick parents.If I was on the dole and I have been before, well I guess that make a 'lout', would it? Yes, there is an A$$ in ASSUMPTION, and you are it!!! [/quote] Well said!
john wrote:
goodster wrote: The Missing City wrote: Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame!
Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew????
Excuse me goodster and everone who makes assumptions about people (ET readers all?). I aint on the dole. I have indepandant means and I care for my elderly and sick parents.If I was on the dole and I have been before, well I guess that make a 'lout', would it? Yes, there is an A$$ in ASSUMPTION, and you are it!!!
Well said!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:10pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Scottish Rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]goodster[/bold] wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.[/quote] Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?[/quote] Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame![/quote] Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew???? [/quote] Excuse me goodster and everone who makes assumptions about people (ET readers all?). I aint on the dole. I have indepandant means and I care for my elderly and sick parents.If I was on the dole and I have been before, well I guess that make a 'lout', would it? Yes, there is an A$$ in ASSUMPTION, and you are it!!! [/quote] Well said![/quote] It's nobody's business either but I work 6, sometimes 7 days a week, have no PC at home so I use PC in work when I take a break.
As it happens whilst the clowns on here who claim others are dole spongers, I happen to be at work, are you doing the same?
[italic]Maybe your too busy grassing up people tae the polis! [bold]Think before you speak Goodster not so Good! ;-)[/bold] [/italic]
The Missing City wrote:
john wrote: goodster wrote: The Missing City wrote: Scottish Rose wrote: goodster wrote: What's the problem here? If you don't drop litter, you won't get fined. Surely even the most intellectually challenged can grasp the basics of this!!! It seems that the folk making such a song and dance about this are probably offenders themselves. Tough tittie to them....keep the naming and shaming coming. Glasgow deserves better.
Good job!! goodster. None of them get it...Do they?
Sorry goodster, your a bit racist with your opinion and Rose, I'm sorry but you obviously don't get where everybody else is coming from! Your in a minority, which is a shame!
Racist??...you reckon? How do you work that one out??? Obviously watching too much Columbo when you should be at work. You another one of the dole patrol??...just like John from renfrew????
Excuse me goodster and everone who makes assumptions about people (ET readers all?). I aint on the dole. I have indepandant means and I care for my elderly and sick parents.If I was on the dole and I have been before, well I guess that make a 'lout', would it? Yes, there is an A$$ in ASSUMPTION, and you are it!!!
Well said!
It's nobody's business either but I work 6, sometimes 7 days a week, have no PC at home so I use PC in work when I take a break.
As it happens whilst the clowns on here who claim others are dole spongers, I happen to be at work, are you doing the same?
Maybe your too busy grassing up people tae the polis! Think before you speak Goodster not so Good! ;-) Posted by: john, renfrew on 12:46pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Yes Missing City, there are a few ignorant people posting here. People who havent put a lot of thought into what they are saying. That's why its far far too easy to destroy their arguments. Cheap shots.
I expect that like myself, you have put a lot of thought into what you write. You will also probably have done some research. Thats because WE are concerned about what is going on in this city.
Its far too easy just to shot your mouth, just like this paper has done!
Yes Missing City, there are a few ignorant people posting here. People who havent put a lot of thought into what they are saying. That's why its far far too easy to destroy their arguments. Cheap shots.
I expect that like myself, you have put a lot of thought into what you write. You will also probably have done some research. Thats because WE are concerned about what is going on in this city.
Its far too easy just to shot your mouth, just like this paper has done!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:10pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
Yes Missing City, there are a few ignorant people posting here. People who havent put a lot of thought into what they are saying. That's why its far far too easy to destroy their arguments. Cheap shots. I expect that like myself, you have put a lot of thought into what you write. You will also probably have done some research. Thats because WE are concerned about what is going on in this city. Its far too easy just to shot your mouth, just like this paper has done! [/quote] Yes, there has been some bizarre characters on here - well said! Sometimes I just come out with things in an instant, but only because I know what I want to say, not that I want to assume something that isn't true, narrow minded opinions are all the rage so it seems!
[italic]Very sad![/italic]
[bold]MInd you, a fair eflection of the level of education we have had in this country - God Bless Britain Eh? Ha Ha!![/bold]
john wrote:
Yes Missing City, there are a few ignorant people posting here. People who havent put a lot of thought into what they are saying. That's why its far far too easy to destroy their arguments. Cheap shots. I expect that like myself, you have put a lot of thought into what you write. You will also probably have done some research. Thats because WE are concerned about what is going on in this city. Its far too easy just to shot your mouth, just like this paper has done!
Yes, there has been some bizarre characters on here - well said! Sometimes I just come out with things in an instant, but only because I know what I want to say, not that I want to assume something that isn't true, narrow minded opinions are all the rage so it seems!
Very sad!
MInd you, a fair eflection of the level of education we have had in this country - God Bless Britain Eh? Ha Ha!! Posted by: john, renfrew on 1:20pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Missing City, when we all end up having to get barcodes tattoed on our foreheads, I dont want to say 'I told you so'!!!
for a bit of 'light' entertainment:
try the you tube site, enter these words in search box:
powerful music clip
Missing City, when we all end up having to get barcodes tattoed on our foreheads, I dont want to say 'I told you so'!!!
for a bit of 'light' entertainment:
try the you tube site, enter these words in search box:
powerful music clip
Posted by: Frank, Govanhill on 1:22pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:52pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] The usual anti-labour mob as you put it isn't part of the Socialist - Solidarity mob, can't speak for others but I'm certainly not, never have been.
Haaaaaaaaay Frankie - wake up - what have this mob done for you? Labour are not the Labour my grandad would have voted. If he were about today, he would have told them where to go, no doubt about that!
[italic]If you don't like it, then stay on The Political Magic Roundabout and vote Tory! Ha Ha[/italic]
Frank wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
The usual anti-labour mob as you put it isn't part of the Socialist - Solidarity mob, can't speak for others but I'm certainly not, never have been.
Haaaaaaaaay Frankie - wake up - what have this mob done for you? Labour are not the Labour my grandad would have voted. If he were about today, he would have told them where to go, no doubt about that!
If you don't like it, then stay on The Political Magic Roundabout and vote Tory! Ha Ha Posted by: john, renfrew on 1:52pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part.
Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times.
You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
Frank wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part.
Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times.
You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:03pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Yes, there has been some bizarre characters on here - well said! Sometimes I just come out with things in an instant, but only because I know what I want to say, not that I want to assume something that isn't true, narrow minded opinions are all the rage so it seems!
[italic]Very sad![/italic]
[bold]Mind you, a fair eflection of the level of education we have had in this country - [italic]God Bless Britain Eh?[/italic] Ha Ha!![/bold]
[bold]Support for Independence is on the UP and UP! Soon we may be intellect enough to look after the needs of our country without draconian half wits from another country claiming they do a good job![/bold]
Frank wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Yes, there has been some bizarre characters on here - well said! Sometimes I just come out with things in an instant, but only because I know what I want to say, not that I want to assume something that isn't true, narrow minded opinions are all the rage so it seems!
Very sad!
Mind you, a fair eflection of the level of education we have had in this country - God Bless Britain Eh? Ha Ha!!
Support for Independence is on the UP and UP! Soon we may be intellect enough to look after the needs of our country without draconian half wits from another country claiming they do a good job! Posted by: Frank, Govanhill on 3:14pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part.
Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times.
You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?[/quote] You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe.
john wrote:
Frank wrote:
Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part.
Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times.
You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:26pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?[/quote] You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe. [/quote] [bold]Bettered services? Where? Everything is either privatised or there is cutbacks, school and hospital closures, or hospitals being downgraded, more methadone and booze is available at any time in history, we have the highest levels of illiteracy and violence in Europe - so, yes you better hope nobody else sees this cos I feel you will receive a verbal tanking for your apparent ignorance due to your undying love for The New Labour Party! [italic]The party of mass deprivation - the price you pay for loyalty![/italic][/bold]
Frank wrote:
john wrote: Frank wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe.
Bettered services? Where? Everything is either privatised or there is cutbacks, school and hospital closures, or hospitals being downgraded, more methadone and booze is available at any time in history, we have the highest levels of illiteracy and violence in Europe - so, yes you better hope nobody else sees this cos I feel you will receive a verbal tanking for your apparent ignorance due to your undying love for The New Labour Party! The party of mass deprivation - the price you pay for loyalty! Posted by: john, renfrew on 3:44pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?[/quote] You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe. [/quote] Lower council tax? Better services? Surely, you cannot be talking about Glasgow? We can talk about sleezey politicians if you want to, is that the 'scum' you are refering to? And as was pointed out to you earlier, most people know that new labour and conservative are one in the same.
We have a government who gets us into a war on a falsehood, WMD, remember that. A war still costing killing our boys and costing us millions. Can you say the majority of people where for that when we marched in our thousands?
We have a prime minster who 'inherited' his position, no mandate, and bottled out of an election.
We have labour politicians taking bribes, err sorry lets just call them illegal donations.
I would be proud to be called ant-labour, infact I would insist upon it!!!!
I would leave the politics out, because the word 'scum' is much better applied here!
Frank wrote:
john wrote: Frank wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe.
Lower council tax? Better services? Surely, you cannot be talking about Glasgow? We can talk about sleezey politicians if you want to, is that the 'scum' you are refering to? And as was pointed out to you earlier, most people know that new labour and conservative are one in the same.
We have a government who gets us into a war on a falsehood, WMD, remember that. A war still costing killing our boys and costing us millions. Can you say the majority of people where for that when we marched in our thousands?
We have a prime minster who 'inherited' his position, no mandate, and bottled out of an election.
We have labour politicians taking bribes, err sorry lets just call them illegal donations.
I would be proud to be called ant-labour, infact I would insist upon it!!!!
I would leave the politics out, because the word 'scum' is much better applied here!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:57pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?[/quote] You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe. [/quote] Lower council tax? Better services? Surely, you cannot be talking about Glasgow? We can talk about sleezey politicians if you want to, is that the 'scum' you are refering to? And as was pointed out to you earlier, most people know that new labour and conservative are one in the same. We have a government who gets us into a war on a falsehood, WMD, remember that. A war still costing killing our boys and costing us millions. Can you say the majority of people where for that when we marched in our thousands? We have a prime minster who 'inherited' his position, no mandate, and bottled out of an election. We have labour politicians taking bribes, err sorry lets just call them illegal donations. I would be proud to be called ant-labour, infact I would insist upon it!!!! I would leave the politics out, because the word 'scum' is much better applied here! [/quote] Yes John, this is why the parties they represent probably lose elections!
[italic]"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more"[/italic] - [bold]Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969[/bold]
john wrote:
Frank wrote: john wrote: Frank wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe.
Lower council tax? Better services? Surely, you cannot be talking about Glasgow? We can talk about sleezey politicians if you want to, is that the 'scum' you are refering to? And as was pointed out to you earlier, most people know that new labour and conservative are one in the same. We have a government who gets us into a war on a falsehood, WMD, remember that. A war still costing killing our boys and costing us millions. Can you say the majority of people where for that when we marched in our thousands? We have a prime minster who 'inherited' his position, no mandate, and bottled out of an election. We have labour politicians taking bribes, err sorry lets just call them illegal donations. I would be proud to be called ant-labour, infact I would insist upon it!!!! I would leave the politics out, because the word 'scum' is much better applied here!
Yes John, this is why the parties they represent probably lose elections!
"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more" -
Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969 Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:13pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.[/quote] Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?[/quote] You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe. [/quote] Lower council tax? Better services? Surely, you cannot be talking about Glasgow? We can talk about sleezey politicians if you want to, is that the 'scum' you are refering to? And as was pointed out to you earlier, most people know that new labour and conservative are one in the same. We have a government who gets us into a war on a falsehood, WMD, remember that. A war still costing killing our boys and costing us millions. Can you say the majority of people where for that when we marched in our thousands? We have a prime minster who 'inherited' his position, no mandate, and bottled out of an election. We have labour politicians taking bribes, err sorry lets just call them illegal donations. I would be proud to be called ant-labour, infact I would insist upon it!!!! I would leave the politics out, because the word 'scum' is much better applied here! [/quote] Yes John, this is why the parties they represent probably lose elections! [italic]"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more"[/italic] - [bold]Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969[/bold] [/quote] [bold]NEWS JUST IN....[/bold]
[italic]Tommy Boy Sheridan fae The Bushwhackers has just been detained by Lothian & Borders Police and has been charged with perjury, if this is true, not only has he duped the people of Scotland, but he's also duped his pals at the "Daily Retard" cos they were having a bitchfight with the "Tripe of the World" so they won't be happy bunnies eh? Ha Ha! To top it off, it looks as if he's made a mockery of the justice system as well.[/italic]
[italic]
We can only wait to see what unfolds!![/italic]
[italic]"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more"[/italic] - [bold]Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969[/bold]
The Missing City wrote:
john wrote: Frank wrote: john wrote: Frank wrote: Well done Mr Purcell and Labour for their stance on this matter. The usual anti-Labour mob having their go at a policy the majority agree with.
Frank.To describe the desenters of this ill advised PR campagn as 'the usual ant-labour mob' shows a certain ignorance, bias and generalisation on your part. Most of the people posting have not mentioned labour and are mearly concerned about the behavior of The Evening Times. You also mentioned 'majority agree'. I take it that you are refering to the online poll which has been exposed as bogus and non-representave?
You want us to live in a city of scum and Labour are doing things to get us out of it. What have they done the commonwealth games, litter campaign, better services, lower council tax. You just can't bear the success from your anti Labour diatribe.
Lower council tax? Better services? Surely, you cannot be talking about Glasgow? We can talk about sleezey politicians if you want to, is that the 'scum' you are refering to? And as was pointed out to you earlier, most people know that new labour and conservative are one in the same. We have a government who gets us into a war on a falsehood, WMD, remember that. A war still costing killing our boys and costing us millions. Can you say the majority of people where for that when we marched in our thousands? We have a prime minster who 'inherited' his position, no mandate, and bottled out of an election. We have labour politicians taking bribes, err sorry lets just call them illegal donations. I would be proud to be called ant-labour, infact I would insist upon it!!!! I would leave the politics out, because the word 'scum' is much better applied here!
Yes John, this is why the parties they represent probably lose elections! "Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more" - Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969
NEWS JUST IN....
Tommy Boy Sheridan fae The Bushwhackers has just been detained by Lothian & Borders Police and has been charged with perjury, if this is true, not only has he duped the people of Scotland, but he's also duped his pals at the "Daily Retard" cos they were having a bitchfight with the "Tripe of the World" so they won't be happy bunnies eh? Ha Ha! To top it off, it looks as if he's made a mockery of the justice system as well.
We can only wait to see what unfolds!!
"Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge, Say no more, Say no more" -
Copyright Monty Python Enterprises 1969 Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:18pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Tommy for prime minister? Sounds like he's well qualified. He would get ma vote before the present mob, hahaha
Tommy for prime minister? Sounds like he's well qualified. He would get ma vote before the present mob, hahaha
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:58pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
Tommy for prime minister? Sounds like he's well qualified. He would get ma vote before the present mob, hahaha [/quote] [bold]I would say he's well qualified - was he not a former member of The Labour Party? ;-)[/bold]
john wrote:
Tommy for prime minister? Sounds like he's well qualified. He would get ma vote before the present mob, hahaha
I would say he's well qualified - was he not a former member of The Labour Party? ;-) Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:13pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Anyway, I couldn't see him sorting out the major problems if he was First Minister, or at the very worst - Prime Minister!
I don't see this Litter initiative being a vote winner - if this is more important than the acute social problems, [italic](most of which have been the direct cause of Tory & Labour Policy over the years)[/italic] , then there's a lot of people out there who indeed are very ignorant or they have some brain cells missing if they think Glasgow will now be a wonderful place because of some clean up campaign that I don't think will be forgotten in a hurry!
[bold]People remember where politicians forget![/bold]
Anyway, I couldn't see him sorting out the major problems if he was First Minister, or at the very worst - Prime Minister!
I don't see this Litter initiative being a vote winner - if this is more important than the acute social problems,
(most of which have been the direct cause of Tory & Labour Policy over the years) , then there's a lot of people out there who indeed are very ignorant or they have some brain cells missing if they think Glasgow will now be a wonderful place because of some clean up campaign that I don't think will be forgotten in a hurry!
People remember where politicians forget!
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 5:24pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Missing city.....AREyou writing a book?Itold ye keep it short for goodness sake,iv'e wore down my scroll down key to nothing.. thanking you.....
Missing city.....AREyou writing a book?Itold ye keep it short for goodness sake,iv'e wore down my scroll down key to nothing.. thanking you.....
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:34pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Wee thought, were's [bold]Big Al[/bold]? Not that he's missed, but....
Remember, he was the guy that was never off this thread through the week. He got a few posts published in the ET. Is it because council/GCC employees dont work weekends?
Wee thought, were's
Big Al? Not that he's missed, but....
Remember, he was the guy that was never off this thread through the week. He got a few posts published in the ET. Is it because council/GCC employees dont work weekends?
Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:35pm Sun 16 Dec 07
I meant ET/GCC employees in the post above.
I meant ET/GCC employees in the post above.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 5:35pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Back to the legality of naming and shaming,if what was printed in the sunday mail today is true,and that people have been giving false names and addresses to these wardens,then the vast majority of the people named and shamed are innocent...
In light of this, will they still persist in this witch-hunt ???
What a shambolic mess the ET has made for itself ...
Back to the legality of naming and shaming,if what was printed in the sunday mail today is true,and that people have been giving false names and addresses to these wardens,then the vast majority of the people named and shamed are innocent...
In light of this, will they still persist in this witch-hunt ???
What a shambolic mess the ET has made for itself ...
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:46pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
Missing city.....AREyou writing a book?Itold ye keep it short for goodness sake,iv'e wore down my scroll down key to nothing.. thanking you.....[/quote] I actually have 25 pages of a book written already, I will get it finished at somepoint, just far too busy. The name is Gordon!
With regards to your scroll lock, one sincerely apologises for you having to wear out the wee letters on that particular button, a popular post is this considering The Evening Times have made a meal of trying to embarras their own lifelong readers (or ex-readers as the case will now be!)
jrb wrote:
Missing city.....AREyou writing a book?Itold ye keep it short for goodness sake,iv'e wore down my scroll down key to nothing.. thanking you.....
I actually have 25 pages of a book written already, I will get it finished at somepoint, just far too busy. The name is Gordon!
With regards to your scroll lock, one sincerely apologises for you having to wear out the wee letters on that particular button, a popular post is this considering The Evening Times have made a meal of trying to embarras their own lifelong readers (or ex-readers as the case will now be!)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:46pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
Back to the legality of naming and shaming,if what was printed in the sunday mail today is true,and that people have been giving false names and addresses to these wardens,then the vast majority of the people named and shamed are innocent... In light of this, will they still persist in this witch-hunt ??? What a shambolic mess the ET has made for itself ...[/quote] [bold]It'll be the New Poll Tax![/bold]
roor06 wrote:
Back to the legality of naming and shaming,if what was printed in the sunday mail today is true,and that people have been giving false names and addresses to these wardens,then the vast majority of the people named and shamed are innocent... In light of this, will they still persist in this witch-hunt ??? What a shambolic mess the ET has made for itself ...
It'll be the New Poll Tax! Posted by: john, renfrew on 5:52pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
Back to the legality of naming and shaming,if what was printed in the sunday mail today is true,and that people have been giving false names and addresses to these wardens,then the vast majority of the people named and shamed are innocent... In light of this, will they still persist in this witch-hunt ??? What a shambolic mess the ET has made for itself ...[/quote] I am not sure if the wardens would let them away without giving some type of ID. Most wardens are apparantly ex-military,ex-trafi
c wardens. They do not have the right to arrest, only the police have that.But legally, they can hold you until they get the police.
That said, legally in paying a fine to a warden, in the eyes of the law, you are still innocent. Only a court (and the Evening Times) can pronounce you guilty.
roor06 wrote:
Back to the legality of naming and shaming,if what was printed in the sunday mail today is true,and that people have been giving false names and addresses to these wardens,then the vast majority of the people named and shamed are innocent... In light of this, will they still persist in this witch-hunt ??? What a shambolic mess the ET has made for itself ...
I am not sure if the wardens would let them away without giving some type of ID. Most wardens are apparantly ex-military,ex-trafi
c wardens. They do not have the right to arrest, only the police have that.But legally, they can hold you until they get the police.
That said, legally in paying a fine to a warden, in the eyes of the law, you are still innocent. Only a court (and the Evening Times) can pronounce you guilty.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 6:13pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Whatever happened to the welcome to glasgow wardens that wore the red jackets ?
Have the council replaced them with these not so friendly super wardens for pure finnancial gain ???
Whatever happened to the welcome to glasgow wardens that wore the red jackets ?
Have the council replaced them with these not so friendly super wardens for pure finnancial gain ???
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:28pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
Whatever happened to the welcome to glasgow wardens that wore the red jackets ? Have the council replaced them with these not so friendly super wardens for pure finnancial gain ???[/quote] The City Centre Reps got the chop, don't know why, it was in this "Newspaper" last year and the story stated that the council were getting rid of them for some strange reason!
[italic]I wonder what the reason was ;-)[/italic]
roor06 wrote:
Whatever happened to the welcome to glasgow wardens that wore the red jackets ? Have the council replaced them with these not so friendly super wardens for pure finnancial gain ???
The City Centre Reps got the chop, don't know why, it was in this "Newspaper" last year and the story stated that the council were getting rid of them for some strange reason!
I wonder what the reason was ;-) Posted by: john, renfrew on 6:34pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Just read the article in The Sunday Mail about the fake names.
A GCC spokesman was quoted as saying give fake details and the police will track you down. Then get a quote from the police saying they will do no such thing. Maybe GCC, because its a civil matter, dahhhh!!!
So, these are the guys in charge of spending your council tax...wooden tops, shocking.
Are you gonna publish that Evening Times?
Just read the article in The Sunday Mail about the fake names.
A GCC spokesman was quoted as saying give fake details and the police will track you down. Then get a quote from the police saying they will do no such thing. Maybe GCC, because its a civil matter, dahhhh!!!
So, these are the guys in charge of spending your council tax...wooden tops, shocking.
Are you gonna publish that Evening Times?
Posted by: Arthur Monkfish, South Central Saltcoats on 7:09pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Why not print a list of Glaswegians reported for a violent crime. Surely violent disorder is what people really care about these days. Everyone has littered at some point, so in the interests of fairness, you may as well print the name evrey Glaswegian.
Why not print a list of Glaswegians reported for a violent crime. Surely violent disorder is what people really care about these days. Everyone has littered at some point, so in the interests of fairness, you may as well print the name evrey Glaswegian.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:20pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Remember - what the ET prints is what GCC want them to promote, advertise and publicise on it's behalf. It's all free spin for the predominantly New Labour Glasgow Council.
Maybe one day the ET will actually print stories that bear relevance with it's people, and readers - not just blow the trumpets of GCC as I'm quite sure readers have seen right through it all.
As you say Arthur Monkfish - lets print the Glaswegians reported / convicted for violent crimes - and free to walk the streets, and re offend...
Dropping litter may be an offence in this dictatorial, and lunatic councils eyes.
But - it's far from the real crime we ought to be tackling.
Get cracking GCC and lets stamp out alchol related violence, drug related muggings, and the sexual assaults and rapes which still don't have a high enough conviction / arrest rate.
Remember - what the ET prints is what GCC want them to promote, advertise and publicise on it's behalf. It's all free spin for the predominantly New Labour Glasgow Council.
Maybe one day the ET will actually print stories that bear relevance with it's people, and readers - not just blow the trumpets of GCC as I'm quite sure readers have seen right through it all.
As you say Arthur Monkfish - lets print the Glaswegians reported / convicted for violent crimes - and free to walk the streets, and re offend...
Dropping litter may be an offence in this dictatorial, and lunatic councils eyes.
But - it's far from the real crime we ought to be tackling.
Get cracking GCC and lets stamp out alchol related violence, drug related muggings, and the sexual assaults and rapes which still don't have a high enough conviction / arrest rate.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 8:34pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......
Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:53pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Or - How about: "The End Of The Thread!"
Or - How about: "The End Of The Thread!"
Posted by: john, renfrew on 12:29am Mon 17 Dec 07
...And so, the final curtain....
...And so, the final curtain....
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:23am Mon 17 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......[/quote] Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)
jrb wrote:
Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......
Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:49am Mon 17 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......[/quote] Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)[/quote] I may well be the last post on this particular thread, don't know if you'll ever read this, but the stuff I wrote will never appear in this paper - NEVER!!
[italic]I've also wrote a film with the same title as well (Me + very good mate, good material too!)[/italic]
I'm fed up writing on here actually, cause no matter what you say, somebody alweays tries to put you down - maybe you should be a politician for your effots, I'm sure you could get a few people on smack!
The Missing City wrote:
jrb wrote: Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......
Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)
I may well be the last post on this particular thread, don't know if you'll ever read this, but the stuff I wrote will never appear in this paper - NEVER!!
I've also wrote a film with the same title as well (Me + very good mate, good material too!)
I'm fed up writing on here actually, cause no matter what you say, somebody alweays tries to put you down - maybe you should be a politician for your effots, I'm sure you could get a few people on smack!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 10:07am Mon 17 Dec 07
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......[/quote] Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)[/quote] I may well be the last post on this particular thread, don't know if you'll ever read this, but the stuff I wrote will never appear in this paper - NEVER!! [italic]I've also wrote a film with the same title as well (Me + very good mate, good material too!)[/italic] I'm fed up writing on here actually, cause no matter what you say, somebody alweays tries to put you down - maybe you should be a politician for your effots, I'm sure you could get a few people on smack![/quote] Liar!!!! You love it!!!hhahahaha
The Missing City wrote:
The Missing City wrote: jrb wrote: Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......
Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)
I may well be the last post on this particular thread, don't know if you'll ever read this, but the stuff I wrote will never appear in this paper - NEVER!! I've also wrote a film with the same title as well (Me + very good mate, good material too!) I'm fed up writing on here actually, cause no matter what you say, somebody alweays tries to put you down - maybe you should be a politician for your effots, I'm sure you could get a few people on smack!
Liar!!!! You love it!!!hhahahaha
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 10:16am Mon 17 Dec 07
john, renfrew wrote: [italic]"Wee thought, were's Big Al? Not that he's missed, but....
Remember, he was the guy that was never off this thread through the week. He got a few posts published in the ET. Is it because council/GCC employees dont work weekends?"[/italic]
My thinking exactly, especially after I exposed how he had not told the truth about misleading the discussion with false statistics. He did stay a bit late on Friday evening though, so maybe he's coming in late today....
On reading the Sunday Mail article - which reported how many offenders had given a false name/address - I read that Clean Glasgow had recruited (at taxpayers' expense) a public relations agency to promote the campaign... maybe Big Al is from the PR firm???
No doubt he'll be on later spouting the same mince!!!
john, renfrew wrote:
"Wee thought, were's Big Al? Not that he's missed, but....
Remember, he was the guy that was never off this thread through the week. He got a few posts published in the ET. Is it because council/GCC employees dont work weekends?"
My thinking exactly, especially after I exposed how he had not told the truth about misleading the discussion with false statistics. He did stay a bit late on Friday evening though, so maybe he's coming in late today....
On reading the Sunday Mail article - which reported how many offenders had given a false name/address - I read that Clean Glasgow had recruited (at taxpayers' expense) a public relations agency to promote the campaign... maybe Big Al is from the PR firm???
No doubt he'll be on later spouting the same mince!!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:19am Mon 17 Dec 07
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......[/quote] Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)[/quote] I may well be the last post on this particular thread, don't know if you'll ever read this, but the stuff I wrote will never appear in this paper - NEVER!! [italic]I've also wrote a film with the same title as well (Me + very good mate, good material too!)[/italic] I'm fed up writing on here actually, cause no matter what you say, somebody alweays tries to put you down - maybe you should be a politician for your effots, I'm sure you could get a few people on smack![/quote] Liar!!!! You love it!!!hhahahaha[/quote] Good Morning John [italic](and anybody else tuning in)[/italic]
[bold]I know that, how do you know that?
Nobody else is supposed to know that! :-o[/bold]
john wrote:
The Missing City wrote: The Missing City wrote: jrb wrote: Missing city...Looking forwards to the serialisation.of your forthcoming book in the E.T...Can I suggest a title? "The last post"......
Just call me Gordon, Missing City is a project title! ;-)
I may well be the last post on this particular thread, don't know if you'll ever read this, but the stuff I wrote will never appear in this paper - NEVER!! I've also wrote a film with the same title as well (Me + very good mate, good material too!) I'm fed up writing on here actually, cause no matter what you say, somebody alweays tries to put you down - maybe you should be a politician for your effots, I'm sure you could get a few people on smack!
Liar!!!! You love it!!!hhahahaha
Good Morning John
(and anybody else tuning in)
I know that, how do you know that?
Nobody else is supposed to know that! :-o Posted by: Frank, Unst on 12:27pm Mon 17 Dec 07
I've never read as much rubbish concerning litter louts in a long while. The reasons the asylum seekers seem to get blamed for dropping litter is probably them thinkin "when in Rome". Glasgow was filthy before they turned up what with gap sites, litter, fly posting graffitti you name it. Anybody with any sense and the bottle to leave has already done so.
I've never read as much rubbish concerning litter louts in a long while. The reasons the asylum seekers seem to get blamed for dropping litter is probably them thinkin "when in Rome". Glasgow was filthy before they turned up what with gap sites, litter, fly posting graffitti you name it. Anybody with any sense and the bottle to leave has already done so.
Posted by: Ladofglas25, Glasgow on 2:30pm Mon 17 Dec 07
has anybody actually done what i suggested and contacted thier MSP or the Press Complaints Commision and reported the ET for thier actions? i know i have!
if people are so outraged aboot this as i think they are (concidering this is the biggest thread ive ever seen on a story), then please dont tell me that nobody has?! if thats the case then this entire thread is pointless, and just full of glaswiegians who like belly acing on a website but sittin back and doing nothing as per usual, there seems to be a lot of good folk on here that say what we all think and realise that this city is a complete shambles, but it iant gonna change one bit unless you get up of your arse and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
has anybody actually done what i suggested and contacted thier MSP or the Press Complaints Commision and reported the ET for thier actions? i know i have!
if people are so outraged aboot this as i think they are (concidering this is the biggest thread ive ever seen on a story), then please dont tell me that nobody has?! if thats the case then this entire thread is pointless, and just full of glaswiegians who like belly acing on a website but sittin back and doing nothing as per usual, there seems to be a lot of good folk on here that say what we all think and realise that this city is a complete shambles, but it iant gonna change one bit unless you get up of your arse and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Posted by: john, renfrew on 3:45pm Mon 17 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Ladofglas25[/bold] wrote:
has anybody actually done what i suggested and contacted thier MSP or the Press Complaints Commision and reported the ET for thier actions? i know i have! if people are so outraged aboot this as i think they are (concidering this is the biggest thread ive ever seen on a story), then please dont tell me that nobody has?! if thats the case then this entire thread is pointless, and just full of glaswiegians who like belly acing on a website but sittin back and doing nothing as per usual, there seems to be a lot of good folk on here that say what we all think and realise that this city is a complete shambles, but it iant gonna change one bit unless you get up of your arse and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [/quote] I have, phoned The ET, phoned GCC and emailed Wendy Alexander. I also phoned NEXUS (they dont publish details of folk fined by inspectors).
As well as the complaints bodies you mentioned, there is the local government ombudsman.
I was glad to see that The Sunday Mail taking a different view of things ( yesterdays article) It seems, not everyone with clout agrees with this!!
Ladofglas25 wrote:
has anybody actually done what i suggested and contacted thier MSP or the Press Complaints Commision and reported the ET for thier actions? i know i have! if people are so outraged aboot this as i think they are (concidering this is the biggest thread ive ever seen on a story), then please dont tell me that nobody has?! if thats the case then this entire thread is pointless, and just full of glaswiegians who like belly acing on a website but sittin back and doing nothing as per usual, there seems to be a lot of good folk on here that say what we all think and realise that this city is a complete shambles, but it iant gonna change one bit unless you get up of your arse and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
I have, phoned The ET, phoned GCC and emailed Wendy Alexander. I also phoned NEXUS (they dont publish details of folk fined by inspectors).
As well as the complaints bodies you mentioned, there is the local government ombudsman.
I was glad to see that The Sunday Mail taking a different view of things ( yesterdays article) It seems, not everyone with clout agrees with this!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 3:54pm Mon 17 Dec 07
An excellent point!
In fact I am hereby submitting a complaint to Mr Martin, the editor of the Evening Times, in relation to an earlier article written about the Clean Glasgow campaign. The article, "Smile If You're Our Litter Hero", was published in the Evening Times on October 31st 2007. The piece contains the following paragraph: "...Since February, 6500 volunteers have taken part in more than 150 clean-ups, while almost 13,000 have called the Clean Glasgow hotline. [bold]Another one million people a month are logging on to the dedicated website[/bold]....". It is the reference to web visitors which is clearly incorrect: first of all the campaign does NOT have a dedicated website, but only a dedicated web address which points a sub-site of the council website; secondly, and far more importantly, the assertion that "one million people a month are [sic] logging on" to the sub-site is obviously wrong. One million people visiting the sub-site in one calendar month would be roughly the equivalent of every person (man, woman and child) in Glasgow AND Edinburgh visiting the sub-site within 31 days. In addition, I have checked with web traffic monitoring services and none of them have reported a huge surge in visitors to the domain.
I am entitled to a reply within one week or the matter will be passed to the PCC for their consideration.
An excellent point!
In fact I am hereby submitting a complaint to Mr Martin, the editor of the Evening Times, in relation to an earlier article written about the Clean Glasgow campaign. The article, "Smile If You're Our Litter Hero", was published in the Evening Times on October 31st 2007. The piece contains the following paragraph: "...Since February, 6500 volunteers have taken part in more than 150 clean-ups, while almost 13,000 have called the Clean Glasgow hotline.
Another one million people a month are logging on to the dedicated website....". It is the reference to web visitors which is clearly incorrect: first of all the campaign does NOT have a dedicated website, but only a dedicated web address which points a sub-site of the council website; secondly, and far more importantly, the assertion that "one million people a month are logging on" to the sub-site is obviously wrong. One million people visiting the sub-site in one calendar month would be roughly the equivalent of every person (man, woman and child) in Glasgow AND Edinburgh visiting the sub-site within 31 days. In addition, I have checked with web traffic monitoring services and none of them have reported a huge surge in visitors to the domain.
I am entitled to a reply within one week or the matter will be passed to the PCC for their consideration.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 4:18pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Yes Sydney Meriwether this is another example of The ET fudging figures. I have never seen as many lies (you couldnt even call it spin) in an article.
Why dont we keep a note of them?
[bold]Lies by ET and GCC[/bold]
[bold]1. The bogus poll online poll[/bold]
[bold]2. NEXUS only publishes folk taken to court[/bold]
[bold]3. One million people log onto dedicated website[/bold]
please feel free to add.....
Yes Sydney Meriwether this is another example of The ET fudging figures. I have never seen as many lies (you couldnt even call it spin) in an article.
Why dont we keep a note of them?
Lies by ET and GCC
1. The bogus poll online poll
2. NEXUS only publishes folk taken to court
3. One million people log onto dedicated website
please feel free to add.....
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 4:31pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Sydney, the claim that one out of five people in Scotland has looked at that web site speaks for itself. I suspect that I know where that "million" figure came from. If you look at a web page which has nine graphics on it, in the server logs, one column will register 10 hits; IE, ten files were downloaded for one page view. Another column in the server log will register the more accurate figure of one hit; but who needs accuracy when you're a newspaper? When I worked in the public sector, server log figure fudging was an accepted means of justifying managerial jobs.
More on semantics. Did you notice that when the ET was winning its own made-up argument, it was "our fight", but when public opinion turned against them, the language switched to "your bid"? They are happy to take the credit when they are winning, but when they're losing, they cast off responsibility onto others. A big boy did it and ran away. What utter cowardice.
My PCC complaint went off via email on Friday, hard copy papers went off in the post today.
Sydney, the claim that one out of five people in Scotland has looked at that web site speaks for itself. I suspect that I know where that "million" figure came from. If you look at a web page which has nine graphics on it, in the server logs, one column will register 10 hits; IE, ten files were downloaded for one page view. Another column in the server log will register the more accurate figure of one hit; but who needs accuracy when you're a newspaper? When I worked in the public sector, server log figure fudging was an accepted means of justifying managerial jobs.
More on semantics. Did you notice that when the ET was winning its own made-up argument, it was "our fight", but when public opinion turned against them, the language switched to "your bid"? They are happy to take the credit when they are winning, but when they're losing, they cast off responsibility onto others. A big boy did it and ran away. What utter cowardice.
My PCC complaint went off via email on Friday, hard copy papers went off in the post today.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:31pm Mon 17 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
I've never read as much rubbish concerning litter louts in a long while. The reasons the asylum seekers seem to get blamed for dropping litter is probably them thinkin "when in Rome". Glasgow was filthy before they turned up what with gap sites, litter, fly posting graffitti you name it. Anybody with any sense and the bottle to leave has already done so.[/quote] [bold]That'll be to the tune of roughly 600,000 people since 1951 who have left Glasgow and never came back - Cheers Westiminster![/bold]
Frank wrote:
I've never read as much rubbish concerning litter louts in a long while. The reasons the asylum seekers seem to get blamed for dropping litter is probably them thinkin "when in Rome". Glasgow was filthy before they turned up what with gap sites, litter, fly posting graffitti you name it. Anybody with any sense and the bottle to leave has already done so.
That'll be to the tune of roughly 600,000 people since 1951 who have left Glasgow and never came back - Cheers Westiminster!
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