Posted by: Richard Davis, Vienna on 11:14am Mon 31 Dec 07
How about installing cameras to deter the vandals?
How about installing cameras to deter the vandals?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:00pm Mon 31 Dec 07
I stated to everybody including the Evening Times and their chums in the Labour Party back in 2004 that Cowcaddens was a graffiti artists paradise, where you have underpasses, you will have vandalism - the two go hand in hand - that's the concrete culture - its not just here, it's everywhere in the world where you have concrete, look at the one between Langlands Road and the Southern General - notorious for graffiti and junkies for many many years as well as the one at Finnieston Street
Concrete Jungle's are synonymous with the modern urban Wigga culture we have in Glasgow
You reap what you sow! Haha
I stated to everybody including the Evening Times and their chums in the Labour Party back in 2004 that Cowcaddens was a graffiti artists paradise, where you have underpasses, you will have vandalism - the two go hand in hand - that's the concrete culture - its not just here, it's everywhere in the world where you have concrete, look at the one between Langlands Road and the Southern General - notorious for graffiti and junkies for many many years as well as the one at Finnieston Street
Concrete Jungle's are synonymous with the modern urban Wigga culture we have in Glasgow
You reap what you sow! Haha
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:07pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote]Reader Poll
Should vandals be forced to clean-up their mess?[/quote]
Does that include those vandals who put these monstrosities in place to start off with, was that not anti-social behaviour?
An entire community gets raped in favour of concrete and the graffiti artist is the main culprit - once again easy targets as usual! It is one strange area where people don't walk around after 6 at night and its next door to the town - get a grip!
Reader Poll
Should vandals be forced to clean-up their mess?
Does that include those vandals who put these monstrosities in place to start off with, was that not anti-social behaviour?
An entire community gets raped in favour of concrete and the graffiti artist is the main culprit - once again easy targets as usual! It is one strange area where people don't walk around after 6 at night and its next door to the town - get a grip!
Posted by: Rick the pilot, Pollokshields on 12:15pm Mon 31 Dec 07
"The graffiti will be removed and the artwork restored to its pristine condition. If it is done again it will be removed again, the vandals will not break our spirit." What planet is this guy on? If ever there was a target for graffiti artists this is it. Why have we gone and spent money from the public purse on this? And why keep throwing money at it? Totally unbelievable naiveity from this councillor.
"The graffiti will be removed and the artwork restored to its pristine condition. If it is done again it will be removed again, the vandals will not break our spirit." What planet is this guy on? If ever there was a target for graffiti artists this is it. Why have we gone and spent money from the public purse on this? And why keep throwing money at it? Totally unbelievable naiveity from this councillor.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:38pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Richard Davis[/bold] wrote:
How about installing cameras to deter the vandals?[/quote] That's an easy first reaction, but type in:
swastika city chambers
into Google and follow the first link.
Are we going to put cameras all over the city centre: from George Square to Cowcaddens to try to stop this (remember the clowns could just wear a hoody to avoid identification)... or are we going to identify and tackle the root problems which affect this city?
I'll give you a clue as to the answer according to GCC: we'll be wasting millions continually cleaning up and there will be a nice big contract for a private company to fit x hundred more useless cameras to further violate our privacy!
Richard Davis wrote:
How about installing cameras to deter the vandals?
That's an easy first reaction, but type in:
swastika city chambers
into Google and follow the first link.
Are we going to put cameras all over the city centre: from George Square to Cowcaddens to try to stop this (remember the clowns could just wear a hoody to avoid identification)... or are we going to identify and tackle the root problems which affect this city?
I'll give you a clue as to the answer according to GCC: we'll be wasting millions continually cleaning up and there will be a nice big contract for a private company to fit x hundred more useless cameras to further violate our privacy!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:53pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Aye, all that's needed now is for Frank from Govanhill to come on and say it's the SNP's fault, it seems everything that has went wrong in this place over a number of years to systematically destroy the society in the city is the fault of that particular party according to him - he must be a champion of ethnic cleansing - as if the not so well off should be culled and we should me more of a craphole than what it is already!
[bold]Aye, maybe there should be a Glasgow version of Mad Max and call it Mad Frank![/bold]
Aye, all that's needed now is for Frank from Govanhill to come on and say it's the SNP's fault, it seems everything that has went wrong in this place over a number of years to systematically destroy the society in the city is the fault of that particular party according to him - he must be a champion of ethnic cleansing - as if the not so well off should be culled and we should me more of a craphole than what it is already!
Aye, maybe there should be a Glasgow version of Mad Max and call it Mad Frank! Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 2:45pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....
Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....
Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 2:53pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Agree with jrb - the police do consider this as "low-level" crime. It's time that those caught doing it were put into work squads and, under supervision obviously, made to scrub off the mess - not just their own but all other grafitti! Fat chance of that happening however.
Agree with jrb - the police do consider this as "low-level" crime. It's time that those caught doing it were put into work squads and, under supervision obviously, made to scrub off the mess - not just their own but all other grafitti! Fat chance of that happening however.
Posted by: West Ender, Glasgow on 3:00pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....[/quote] As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving.
A question of priorities!
jrb wrote:
Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....
As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving.
A question of priorities!
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 3:19pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]West Ender[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....[/quote] As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving. A question of priorities![/quote] Yes I agree that zero tolerance should be applied across a wide range of crimes that affect the public,but there is already a very low tolerance toward drink drivers it's only the courts and the ridiculous sentences handed out that needs to be toughened up. my point was if we accept crime such as graffiti and other acts of vandalisn are low priority then surely the message we are sending out to the Ned's is carry on doing it nobody cares,As I said make an example of those caught then check the crime figures to see if it works,what have we got to lose?
West Ender wrote:
jrb wrote: Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....
As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving. A question of priorities!
Yes I agree that zero tolerance should be applied across a wide range of crimes that affect the public,but there is already a very low tolerance toward drink drivers it's only the courts and the ridiculous sentences handed out that needs to be toughened up. my point was if we accept crime such as graffiti and other acts of vandalisn are low priority then surely the message we are sending out to the Ned's is carry on doing it nobody cares,As I said make an example of those caught then check the crime figures to see if it works,what have we got to lose?
Posted by: Deefie Dougie, South Lanarkshire on 4:13pm Mon 31 Dec 07
What the courts need to do is support the public and the police in sorting out crime against people. This includes any crime when a person is injured in any way. If someone knocks down a pedestrian, that to me is like somone using an offensive weapon.
When I hear excuses like, the lad comes from a poor background, I get annoyed because again it suggests that poor people are vandals and cannot control their kids. Adults must be made to be responsible for their kids.
What the courts need to do is support the public and the police in sorting out crime against people. This includes any crime when a person is injured in any way. If someone knocks down a pedestrian, that to me is like somone using an offensive weapon.
When I hear excuses like, the lad comes from a poor background, I get annoyed because again it suggests that poor people are vandals and cannot control their kids. Adults must be made to be responsible for their kids.
Posted by: Grandpaw, Glasgow on 4:19pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
Agree with jrb - the police do consider this as "low-level" crime. It's time that those caught doing it were put into work squads and, under supervision obviously, made to scrub off the mess - not just their own but all other grafitti! Fat chance of that happening however. [/quote] Just birch the little bas**rds like the do in Singapore. Short, sharp, effective, and cost efficient.
pete wrote:
Agree with jrb - the police do consider this as "low-level" crime. It's time that those caught doing it were put into work squads and, under supervision obviously, made to scrub off the mess - not just their own but all other grafitti! Fat chance of that happening however.
Just birch the little bas**rds like the do in Singapore. Short, sharp, effective, and cost efficient.
Posted by: West Ender, Glasgow on 4:43pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]West Ender[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....[/quote] As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving. A question of priorities![/quote] Yes I agree that zero tolerance should be applied across a wide range of crimes that affect the public,but there is already a very low tolerance toward drink drivers it's only the courts and the ridiculous sentences handed out that needs to be toughened up. my point was if we accept crime such as graffiti and other acts of vandalisn are low priority then surely the message we are sending out to the Ned's is carry on doing it nobody cares,As I said make an example of those caught then check the crime figures to see if it works,what have we got to lose?[/quote] jrb,
In no way do I disagree with any of your points. Quite the reverse.
I think, like yourself and a great many others who comment here, I am sick and tired of the way elected officials are ignoring the out pouring of frustration and anger from the public at the way our justice system (along with lots more) is being managed.
The do-gooders, soft judges and rehabilitators have had their chance and look where they have gotten us?
It's time elected officials of all stripes and colours at all levels are told, We, The People are your employers and paymasters ignore us at your peril.
Until we have recalled a few and stripped them of their positions and priviledges nothing will change. The only fear an elected official has is losing their position of priviledge.
THREATEN THEM....LISTEN TO YOUR ELECTORATE OR ELSE WE WILL GET SOMEONE WHO WILL!
jrb wrote:
West Ender wrote: jrb wrote: Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....
As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving. A question of priorities!
Yes I agree that zero tolerance should be applied across a wide range of crimes that affect the public,but there is already a very low tolerance toward drink drivers it's only the courts and the ridiculous sentences handed out that needs to be toughened up. my point was if we accept crime such as graffiti and other acts of vandalisn are low priority then surely the message we are sending out to the Ned's is carry on doing it nobody cares,As I said make an example of those caught then check the crime figures to see if it works,what have we got to lose?
jrb,
In no way do I disagree with any of your points. Quite the reverse.
I think, like yourself and a great many others who comment here, I am sick and tired of the way elected officials are ignoring the out pouring of frustration and anger from the public at the way our justice system (along with lots more) is being managed.
The do-gooders, soft judges and rehabilitators have had their chance and look where they have gotten us?
It's time elected officials of all stripes and colours at all levels are told, We, The People are your employers and paymasters ignore us at your peril.
Until we have recalled a few and stripped them of their positions and priviledges nothing will change. The only fear an elected official has is losing their position of priviledge.
THREATEN THEM....LISTEN TO YOUR ELECTORATE OR ELSE WE WILL GET SOMEONE WHO WILL!
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 5:17pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]West Ender[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]West Ender[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....[/quote] As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving. A question of priorities![/quote] Yes I agree that zero tolerance should be applied across a wide range of crimes that affect the public,but there is already a very low tolerance toward drink drivers it's only the courts and the ridiculous sentences handed out that needs to be toughened up. my point was if we accept crime such as graffiti and other acts of vandalisn are low priority then surely the message we are sending out to the Ned's is carry on doing it nobody cares,As I said make an example of those caught then check the crime figures to see if it works,what have we got to lose?[/quote] jrb, In no way do I disagree with any of your points. Quite the reverse. I think, like yourself and a great many others who comment here, I am sick and tired of the way elected officials are ignoring the out pouring of frustration and anger from the public at the way our justice system (along with lots more) is being managed. The do-gooders, soft judges and rehabilitators have had their chance and look where they have gotten us? It's time elected officials of all stripes and colours at all levels are told, We, The People are your employers and paymasters ignore us at your peril. Until we have recalled a few and stripped them of their positions and priviledges nothing will change. The only fear an elected official has is losing their position of priviledge. THREATEN THEM....LISTEN TO YOUR ELECTORATE OR ELSE WE WILL GET SOMEONE WHO WILL! [/quote] I cannot think of one figure in Scottish politics who would, take a step in our direction to see as you elequently point out the sheer frustration we feel when such issues are raised,Even if there was one,the libertarians abounding in the political corridors, would soon water down, veto, and delay any sensible proposals put forward, as you say if these we elect fail to consider those who put them in power lets get them out ....
West Ender wrote:
jrb wrote: West Ender wrote: jrb wrote: Do you know or have you heard of anyone been arrested, fined or punished in any way shape or form for this type of mindless vandalism?.of course not..it's low level crime we are told maybe that's the trouble, let's have zero tolerance aimed at these "low level" crimes.And as for getting those responsible to clean up,who would object?,certainly not your law abiding citizen, could a very public trial of such a scheme not be tried out....
As disheartening and annoying as these grafitti crimes are I would much rather the time and effort is put into declaring "zero tolerance" for drunk driving. People die or get mamed and lives get changed from selfish bast@%d drunks, driving. A question of priorities!
Yes I agree that zero tolerance should be applied across a wide range of crimes that affect the public,but there is already a very low tolerance toward drink drivers it's only the courts and the ridiculous sentences handed out that needs to be toughened up. my point was if we accept crime such as graffiti and other acts of vandalisn are low priority then surely the message we are sending out to the Ned's is carry on doing it nobody cares,As I said make an example of those caught then check the crime figures to see if it works,what have we got to lose?
jrb, In no way do I disagree with any of your points. Quite the reverse. I think, like yourself and a great many others who comment here, I am sick and tired of the way elected officials are ignoring the out pouring of frustration and anger from the public at the way our justice system (along with lots more) is being managed. The do-gooders, soft judges and rehabilitators have had their chance and look where they have gotten us? It's time elected officials of all stripes and colours at all levels are told, We, The People are your employers and paymasters ignore us at your peril. Until we have recalled a few and stripped them of their positions and priviledges nothing will change. The only fear an elected official has is losing their position of priviledge. THREATEN THEM....LISTEN TO YOUR ELECTORATE OR ELSE WE WILL GET SOMEONE WHO WILL!
I cannot think of one figure in Scottish politics who would, take a step in our direction to see as you elequently point out the sheer frustration we feel when such issues are raised,Even if there was one,the libertarians abounding in the political corridors, would soon water down, veto, and delay any sensible proposals put forward, as you say if these we elect fail to consider those who put them in power lets get them out ....
Posted by: newman, glasgow on 5:21pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Anybody who in their wildest imagination thought that this couldn't or wouldn't happen ought to go to their nearest psychiatric unit or even better resign their position and save the council tax payers of Glasgow money. I worked in the criminal justice system and here is the scinarios which would happen if anyone was caught doing graffitti.
1. Under 16 - a warning, then caught again- a caution, caught again - juvenile court- probation, caught again- probation again. There is no way they will get anything more severe than a fine.
2. Over 16 - warning, then taken to court (at great expence), lucky if they get a fifty pound fine, they don't pay it, back to court, they don't pay it, this can go on for about 5 court appearences, they eventually get a custodial sentence for non payment of fines, 7 days, they only do half, so at best, the taxpayer ends up paying for them being in prison for four days.
It all makes sense.
Anybody who in their wildest imagination thought that this couldn't or wouldn't happen ought to go to their nearest psychiatric unit or even better resign their position and save the council tax payers of Glasgow money. I worked in the criminal justice system and here is the scinarios which would happen if anyone was caught doing graffitti.
1. Under 16 - a warning, then caught again- a caution, caught again - juvenile court- probation, caught again- probation again. There is no way they will get anything more severe than a fine.
2. Over 16 - warning, then taken to court (at great expence), lucky if they get a fifty pound fine, they don't pay it, back to court, they don't pay it, this can go on for about 5 court appearences, they eventually get a custodial sentence for non payment of fines, 7 days, they only do half, so at best, the taxpayer ends up paying for them being in prison for four days.
It all makes sense.
Posted by: Cellism, Glasgow on 6:14pm Mon 31 Dec 07
I am very close to this issue in that I myself saw the original vandalism occur, vaguely seeing a group of teenage boys grafitting the walls before running away on December 24th.
I regularly use this particular underpass and it was an incredibly unpleasant place to be. In my opinion, the council have the right strategy here, they have produced a positive place to be.
The redesign of the underpass has created a very attractive, well lit and interesting place to visit, and it is only the small percentage of the people of society who wish to destroy anything of beauty that ruined it.
Thankfully the joke is on them. The unique artwork has been varnished over, allowing the spray paint to be removed while retaining the designs.
And despite the fact the underpass had been again vandalised since it was cleaned (by a certain character called "Josh"), the council has the right idea to continue the momentum to maintain the aesthetics of this site.
I am very close to this issue in that I myself saw the original vandalism occur, vaguely seeing a group of teenage boys grafitting the walls before running away on December 24th.
I regularly use this particular underpass and it was an incredibly unpleasant place to be. In my opinion, the council have the right strategy here, they have produced a positive place to be.
The redesign of the underpass has created a very attractive, well lit and interesting place to visit, and it is only the small percentage of the people of society who wish to destroy anything of beauty that ruined it.
Thankfully the joke is on them. The unique artwork has been varnished over, allowing the spray paint to be removed while retaining the designs.
And despite the fact the underpass had been again vandalised since it was cleaned (by a certain character called "Josh"), the council has the right idea to continue the momentum to maintain the aesthetics of this site.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 6:52pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Holy willie has finally lost the plot,
Holy willie has finally lost the plot,
Posted by: heidtheba2001, USA on 6:59pm Mon 31 Dec 07
If "tagging" is so "cool" and the people who do it so "tough" why don't they sign it with their names and addresses so the public can go round and tell them how much we appreciate their hard work. Maybe, if they're so "brave", they could post the dates and times when they'll be out making their illiterate scribbles available and we can all go and watch them do it and applaud.
If "tagging" is so "cool" and the people who do it so "tough" why don't they sign it with their names and addresses so the public can go round and tell them how much we appreciate their hard work. Maybe, if they're so "brave", they could post the dates and times when they'll be out making their illiterate scribbles available and we can all go and watch them do it and applaud.
Posted by: daveoo, Glasgow on 8:36pm Mon 31 Dec 07
I agree with most of the comments above. Perhaps it is about time we had a peoples court to hand out the punishments.What we need here is that anyone caught doing this in this underpass would have to clean up the whole length of the underpass then maintain it in that clean condition for one month checking it daily. If the pass is vandalised again then that same person would have to clean it up again [italic]and[/italic]again until their month is up. I also think that instead of fines and prison a work squad should be formed to cover all these so called minor crimes with work carried out in daytime evenings and weekends.
I agree with most of the comments above. Perhaps it is about time we had a peoples court to hand out the punishments.What we need here is that anyone caught doing this in this underpass would have to clean up the whole length of the underpass then maintain it in that clean condition for one month checking it daily. If the pass is vandalised again then that same person would have to clean it up again
andagain until their month is up. I also think that instead of fines and prison a work squad should be formed to cover all these so called minor crimes with work carried out in daytime evenings and weekends.
Posted by: Murraymint, Kilbarchan on 9:14pm Mon 31 Dec 07
As I said once before on this site, New York took a no-tolerance approach to low-level crime, and not only did it work but it also dramatically reduced the levels of more serious crime. In fact New York and Boston have just published figures, showing greatly reduced murder rates, because of their policy of flooding dangerous districts with police officers. If it can work in the USA I don't see any reason why it can't work here. After all, [quote]quote[/quote] anything is worth a try.
As I said once before on this site, New York took a no-tolerance approach to low-level crime, and not only did it work but it also dramatically reduced the levels of more serious crime. In fact New York and Boston have just published figures, showing greatly reduced murder rates, because of their policy of flooding dangerous districts with police officers. If it can work in the USA I don't see any reason why it can't work here. After all,
quote
anything is worth a try.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:28pm Tue 1 Jan 08
The Police and their specific units who deal with this issue must get a handle over this problem once and for all.
It's an absolute joke, and a slap in the face of all G.C.C. staff every time this kind of thing happens. WAKE UP GCC.
As for Richard David of Vienna saying install CCTV, even that doesn't stop these hoodies, and nobodys. They just end up vandalising the cameras, or carrying our their graffitti elsewhere. So it just moves the problems somewhere eles.
CCTV is no more than a N.I.M.B.Y. approach which does not solve the problem.
However, in all the time that these graffitti "tags" are dubbed all over our citys walls and anywhere gangs can find it would seem that none of them are ever caught, or made to pay for the damage.
The police must surely have a record and photos of these tags to be able to pin them down to who the perpetrators are.
Maybe they just cannot be bothered placing enough resources on an issue like this, as there are so many alcohol / drug related crimes occurring which take priority.
Until we catch the perpetrators, with a range of measures like "Neighbourhood Watch Inititiatives" keeping an eye out for suspicious behaviour, as well as the Police monitoring areas where this is happening, with if necessary plain clothed officers this problem will only get worse.
The Police and their specific units who deal with this issue must get a handle over this problem once and for all.
It's an absolute joke, and a slap in the face of all G.C.C. staff every time this kind of thing happens. WAKE UP GCC.
As for Richard David of Vienna saying install CCTV, even that doesn't stop these hoodies, and nobodys. They just end up vandalising the cameras, or carrying our their graffitti elsewhere. So it just moves the problems somewhere eles.
CCTV is no more than a N.I.M.B.Y. approach which does not solve the problem.
However, in all the time that these graffitti "tags" are dubbed all over our citys walls and anywhere gangs can find it would seem that none of them are ever caught, or made to pay for the damage.
The police must surely have a record and photos of these tags to be able to pin them down to who the perpetrators are.
Maybe they just cannot be bothered placing enough resources on an issue like this, as there are so many alcohol / drug related crimes occurring which take priority.
Until we catch the perpetrators, with a range of measures like "Neighbourhood Watch Inititiatives" keeping an eye out for suspicious behaviour, as well as the Police monitoring areas where this is happening, with if necessary plain clothed officers this problem will only get worse.
Posted by: The thinking alternative, City centre on 2:21pm Tue 1 Jan 08
One of the things that confuses the concept of Graffiti as criminality, is that 'artists' such as Banksy pulling in hundereds of thousands for their 'masterpieces'. Liberal Arts people also then accuse London boroughs that paint over his 'work' as vandals themselves. I suggest there is no easy answer other than using materials that don't hold paint. At the end of the day, it's seriously not that big an issue.
One of the things that confuses the concept of Graffiti as criminality, is that 'artists' such as Banksy pulling in hundereds of thousands for their 'masterpieces'. Liberal Arts people also then accuse London boroughs that paint over his 'work' as vandals themselves. I suggest there is no easy answer other than using materials that don't hold paint. At the end of the day, it's seriously not that big an issue.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:33pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Graffitti is not all bad - when it is sen as a piece of art, or is done in a way that is not offensive, or bragging one gang tag, in another gangs "patch"
The point is alot of graffitti these days tends to be offensive, and pointless, with YPF, and YSF (etc) who cares about all these fleets or teams.
If their so hard, and cool why do they even need to advertise their presence.
It's more likely their a bunch of erses who are fine in a group, or gang setting, but a complete wimp or numpty alone.
It's not as if it's their council tax that is covering the cost, as many of them are still staying at home sponging off mummy & daddy.
Or, on the brew themselves, and too lazy to get off their erses to do real work.
Commission artists to do real work, or art that these grafffiti gangs respect, and admire.
Maybe then they won't dub their tags all over the painted walls, which are really just bank canvasses for neds / and gang members.
But, theres too many numpties in GCC to be able to see that fact.
Graffitti is not all bad - when it is sen as a piece of art, or is done in a way that is not offensive, or bragging one gang tag, in another gangs "patch"
The point is alot of graffitti these days tends to be offensive, and pointless, with YPF, and YSF (etc) who cares about all these fleets or teams.
If their so hard, and cool why do they even need to advertise their presence.
It's more likely their a bunch of erses who are fine in a group, or gang setting, but a complete wimp or numpty alone.
It's not as if it's their council tax that is covering the cost, as many of them are still staying at home sponging off mummy & daddy.
Or, on the brew themselves, and too lazy to get off their erses to do real work.
Commission artists to do real work, or art that these grafffiti gangs respect, and admire.
Maybe then they won't dub their tags all over the painted walls, which are really just bank canvasses for neds / and gang members.
But, theres too many numpties in GCC to be able to see that fact.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 4:49pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Whats the big deal suddenly?
I have lived in Garnethill for 7 years, and the underpasses at Cowcaddens Subway have been covered in graffiti for most of that time.
Working class Ned gangs from the North of the city, and the Orange Order all regularly leave their calling cards.
Do we ordinary Glaswegians not deserve a decent environment generally, is it only if some artists work is ruined that the matter is raised?
Gordon Matheson makes some big talk about his efforts to keep the area clean and yet I still await a response to an email I sent him over a month ago, regarding the ongoing problem of dumping in the area. Doesn't say much for his efforts, even over Christmas.
Glasgow and a lot of its people are filthy. This will continue because there is neither deterrent nor punishment. I'm only surprised it took a long as 2 weeks for the art to be wasted, given all Glaswegians know is how to destroy and ruin things.
PS - Evening times, I know it isn't as juicy a story, but the graffiti in your pics looks much like normal working class ned graffiti to me, not anything racist. Not that that excuses it though.
Whats the big deal suddenly?
I have lived in Garnethill for 7 years, and the underpasses at Cowcaddens Subway have been covered in graffiti for most of that time.
Working class Ned gangs from the North of the city, and the Orange Order all regularly leave their calling cards.
Do we ordinary Glaswegians not deserve a decent environment generally, is it only if some artists work is ruined that the matter is raised?
Gordon Matheson makes some big talk about his efforts to keep the area clean and yet I still await a response to an email I sent him over a month ago, regarding the ongoing problem of dumping in the area. Doesn't say much for his efforts, even over Christmas.
Glasgow and a lot of its people are filthy. This will continue because there is neither deterrent nor punishment. I'm only surprised it took a long as 2 weeks for the art to be wasted, given all Glaswegians know is how to destroy and ruin things.
PS - Evening times, I know it isn't as juicy a story, but the graffiti in your pics looks much like normal working class ned graffiti to me, not anything racist. Not that that excuses it though.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 4:55pm Tue 1 Jan 08
How about installing cameras to deter the vandals?
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Well, yes, except that the Council will shy away from this. They aren't interested in their responsibilities, apart from collecting council tax of course.
Garnethill residents have been plagued by petty vandalism to cars and other property. The Police requested the council install extra lighting in some dark areas, to prevent neds lurking in the gloom - but the Council refused to do this.
Presumably because:
(a) there wasn't any money in it for them
(b) it involved effort
(c) not much chance for a photo call / knees up, as favoured by our City fathers.
How about installing cameras to deter the vandals?
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Well, yes, except that the Council will shy away from this. They aren't interested in their responsibilities, apart from collecting council tax of course.
Garnethill residents have been plagued by petty vandalism to cars and other property. The Police requested the council install extra lighting in some dark areas, to prevent neds lurking in the gloom - but the Council refused to do this.
Presumably because:
(a) there wasn't any money in it for them
(b) it involved effort
(c) not much chance for a photo call / knees up, as favoured by our City fathers.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:06pm Tue 1 Jan 08
LOL :-) - GAW - like you're points!
Especially, as you still await a response from an e - mail you sent to Gordon Matheson over a month ago.
When it comes down to it our politicians are pretty useless - and unless constantly nagged, and pestered, haranged and pulled up by us the electorate they do far less than they are payed to.
With the new 4 member Wards for Councillors they are not without their problems.
And just how many of us even bother to attend their surgeries and hold them to book ? Not very many!
This is far from a serious issue, or crime - but it is just another example of GCC's along with the Polices failure to stamp out the problem. Where are the deterrants? as you - GAW say!
It is not about any artist being better than another, and more deserving of coverage if their work is vandalised, or covered with graffitti tags, it is simply about any efforts to upgrade an area being totally disrespected.
The dirty, disrespectful nobodys who think little or nothing to ruin or distroy other peoples property or dub their graffitti over public thoroughfares need tracked down, and forced into a programme of reconciliation, and Community Service.
but, lets not forget the real issues and problems that are being ignored - drug and alcohol consumption - abuse, their links with petty crime, and the failure to address and treat it.
LOL :-) - GAW - like you're points!
Especially, as you still await a response from an e - mail you sent to Gordon Matheson over a month ago.
When it comes down to it our politicians are pretty useless - and unless constantly nagged, and pestered, haranged and pulled up by us the electorate they do far less than they are payed to.
With the new 4 member Wards for Councillors they are not without their problems.
And just how many of us even bother to attend their surgeries and hold them to book ? Not very many!
This is far from a serious issue, or crime - but it is just another example of GCC's along with the Polices failure to stamp out the problem. Where are the deterrants? as you - GAW say!
It is not about any artist being better than another, and more deserving of coverage if their work is vandalised, or covered with graffitti tags, it is simply about any efforts to upgrade an area being totally disrespected.
The dirty, disrespectful nobodys who think little or nothing to ruin or distroy other peoples property or dub their graffitti over public thoroughfares need tracked down, and forced into a programme of reconciliation, and Community Service.
but, lets not forget the real issues and problems that are being ignored - drug and alcohol consumption - abuse, their links with petty crime, and the failure to address and treat it.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:20pm Tue 1 Jan 08
I say make councillors pay for their own pet projects themselves and if folk dont like how much they spend of their own cash they vote them out. It sickens me that a councillor could be so stupid as to believe that no security would be required for his work of art in the community. Lets have him dig deep we can take it out his wages the cost of installing and manning a camera. one might be forced to call this guy a caft dunt
I say make councillors pay for their own pet projects themselves and if folk dont like how much they spend of their own cash they vote them out. It sickens me that a councillor could be so stupid as to believe that no security would be required for his work of art in the community. Lets have him dig deep we can take it out his wages the cost of installing and manning a camera. one might be forced to call this guy a caft dunt
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:55pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Well done Jonny, except you forget one point - only 30% of folk bother to even turn out at most polling stations, such is the level of apathy.
Until we do something about making people see the importance of voting, especially those who moan about any politican issues nothing will ever change.
Why do you think SNP were voted in - alot as protest votes ( sorry to preach the obvious) but - if people sick of the way this city is being run started showing more interest in, and grilling the politicians, and Councillors maybe we'd start to see a gradual change in the apathy that exists.
Otherwise Labour will always have the upper edge, until the older generations whose parents, and parents before them have always voted the same way. It's them we want to have a mind / brain of their own.
As for the digusting wages of Councillors, and MSP's alike - cut them - when they don't represent, or respond to their constituents responsibly, or in a way which their parties, or the electoral commission would expect.
Maybe then we'll see them getting off their butts!
Well done Jonny, except you forget one point - only 30% of folk bother to even turn out at most polling stations, such is the level of apathy.
Until we do something about making people see the importance of voting, especially those who moan about any politican issues nothing will ever change.
Why do you think SNP were voted in - alot as protest votes ( sorry to preach the obvious) but - if people sick of the way this city is being run started showing more interest in, and grilling the politicians, and Councillors maybe we'd start to see a gradual change in the apathy that exists.
Otherwise Labour will always have the upper edge, until the older generations whose parents, and parents before them have always voted the same way. It's them we want to have a mind / brain of their own.
As for the digusting wages of Councillors, and MSP's alike - cut them - when they don't represent, or respond to their constituents responsibly, or in a way which their parties, or the electoral commission would expect.
Maybe then we'll see them getting off their butts!
Posted by: clayton-moore on 8:10pm Tue 1 Jan 08
So GAW/wullie aberdeen blames the working class and the Orange Order for graffitti, I wonder how bigots like him get through life.
How much "intelligence" work would it take the police to build a dossier of gang members who spray their names and slogans all over the place?
Anyone familiar with Glasgow can tell you that gang members' nicknames are hardly secret in the schemes, on the contrary, and maybe if the authorities were to offer a reward of £20 for each one reported they'd start to get some results.
Where an individual can't be tied to an actual tag they could be prosecuted as being "severally and individually responsible" for slogans.
So GAW/wullie aberdeen blames the working class and the Orange Order for graffitti, I wonder how bigots like him get through life.
How much "intelligence" work would it take the police to build a dossier of gang members who spray their names and slogans all over the place?
Anyone familiar with Glasgow can tell you that gang members' nicknames are hardly secret in the schemes, on the contrary, and maybe if the authorities were to offer a reward of £20 for each one reported they'd start to get some results.
Where an individual can't be tied to an actual tag they could be prosecuted as being "severally and individually responsible" for slogans.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:30pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Clayton-moore,
Come on, thats expecting GCC / or the Police to have brains, when it comes to solving crimes.
Anybody knows that the Police are more interested in promoting their figures to make them look good, and the act of actually arresting people/cuffing them and shoving them into their car/"meat wagon"
Try communication skills with ordinary polis on the streets and any I've come accross have been hopeless, and avoidant of talking for any more than a few minutes.
Teach our police how to integrate with, and communicate with ordinary law abiding citizens and start to build up a level of trust - maybe then we can start to see people prepared to "grass" or act as an informer.
The best we can hope for is the use of the anonymous Crimestoppers number.
But - yes Clayton-moore you are absolutely right that the Police should have this whole gang tag, and graffitti circus nonsense tied up, and in the bag long before now!
Clayton-moore,
Come on, thats expecting GCC / or the Police to have brains, when it comes to solving crimes.
Anybody knows that the Police are more interested in promoting their figures to make them look good, and the act of actually arresting people/cuffing them and shoving them into their car/"meat wagon"
Try communication skills with ordinary polis on the streets and any I've come accross have been hopeless, and avoidant of talking for any more than a few minutes.
Teach our police how to integrate with, and communicate with ordinary law abiding citizens and start to build up a level of trust - maybe then we can start to see people prepared to "grass" or act as an informer.
The best we can hope for is the use of the anonymous Crimestoppers number.
But - yes Clayton-moore you are absolutely right that the Police should have this whole gang tag, and graffitti circus nonsense tied up, and in the bag long before now!
Posted by: bubbleman, london on 8:37pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Ach, they're only kids....
Ach, they're only kids....
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:47pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Aye alot of the coppers around here are only kids!
Some of them only in their twenties!
No accounting for experience in the field.
With all the officers retiring too, the younger recruits have a heck of alot of catching up to do!
Ohh - Sorry did you mean the graffitti scrolling mob ? LOL ;-)
Aye alot of the coppers around here are only kids!
Some of them only in their twenties!
No accounting for experience in the field.
With all the officers retiring too, the younger recruits have a heck of alot of catching up to do!
Ohh - Sorry did you mean the graffitti scrolling mob ? LOL ;-)
Posted by: anni, London on 10:25pm Tue 1 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
I stated to everybody including the Evening Times and their chums in the Labour Party back in 2004 that Cowcaddens was a graffiti artists paradise, where you have underpasses, you will have vandalism - the two go hand in hand - that's the concrete culture - its not just here, it's everywhere in the world where you have concrete, look at the one between Langlands Road and the Southern General - notorious for graffiti and junkies for many many years as well as the one at Finnieston Street Concrete Jungle's are synonymous with the modern urban Wigga culture we have in Glasgow You reap what you sow! Haha [/quote] I agree with Missing City, graffiti is rife in most underpasses around the world, even in Rome, Germany and in New York, I dont see the that by restoring it is showing that we are our spirit is being broken, Id rather put the money towards better housing or something else worthwhile in the community. In the end people only use underpasses briefly we dont actually live there, put the money into our streets, bring back the street sweepers in Glasgow they still have them in London. Id rather look out of my window into a tidy street of my home, Im not worried about an underpass. SORRY if this offends others
The Missing City wrote:
I stated to everybody including the Evening Times and their chums in the Labour Party back in 2004 that Cowcaddens was a graffiti artists paradise, where you have underpasses, you will have vandalism - the two go hand in hand - that's the concrete culture - its not just here, it's everywhere in the world where you have concrete, look at the one between Langlands Road and the Southern General - notorious for graffiti and junkies for many many years as well as the one at Finnieston Street Concrete Jungle's are synonymous with the modern urban Wigga culture we have in Glasgow You reap what you sow! Haha
I agree with Missing City, graffiti is rife in most underpasses around the world, even in Rome, Germany and in New York, I dont see the that by restoring it is showing that we are our spirit is being broken, Id rather put the money towards better housing or something else worthwhile in the community. In the end people only use underpasses briefly we dont actually live there, put the money into our streets, bring back the street sweepers in Glasgow they still have them in London. Id rather look out of my window into a tidy street of my home, Im not worried about an underpass. SORRY if this offends others
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 1:37am Wed 2 Jan 08
the police are bringing out spy planes which record on cameras then send photos back to headquarters, the planes are used for seeking lost people (at least that is the explanation,) it can be used without the usual complaints of 'invasion of privacy'....it will be VERY HANDY for capturing any troublemakers.
the police are bringing out spy planes which record on cameras then send photos back to headquarters, the planes are used for seeking lost people (at least that is the explanation,) it can be used without the usual complaints of 'invasion of privacy'....it will be VERY HANDY for capturing any troublemakers.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 2:49am Wed 2 Jan 08
The Labour council have captured the imagination of the public with the the clean Glasgow campaign. Us citizens should assist more in trying to catch the scum who have done this after all the hard work the council have put in on this matter.
The Labour council have captured the imagination of the public with the the clean Glasgow campaign. Us citizens should assist more in trying to catch the scum who have done this after all the hard work the council have put in on this matter.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:33am Wed 2 Jan 08
the 'graffiti artists' are the ones who did'nt have crayons when they were young as the parents did'nt want their places trashed. i notice its the ones who tell people that they cant wait to get out of this dump...yet these cretons are the ones who destroy the whole city, i liked the story of the under cover policeman who was standing watching the idiot puting the 'tag' for drug codeing on a utility box, he told him he was charged with defacing property, and the owner ALSO will no doubt charge him too, he will be charged with assisting the sale of drugs,( the police know every tag and get to know the ones involved)....nice one!!.
the 'graffiti artists' are the ones who did'nt have crayons when they were young as the parents did'nt want their places trashed. i notice its the ones who tell people that they cant wait to get out of this dump...yet these cretons are the ones who destroy the whole city, i liked the story of the under cover policeman who was standing watching the idiot puting the 'tag' for drug codeing on a utility box, he told him he was charged with defacing property, and the owner ALSO will no doubt charge him too, he will be charged with assisting the sale of drugs,( the police know every tag and get to know the ones involved)....nice one!!.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 5:23am Wed 2 Jan 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
The Police and their specific units who deal with this issue must get a handle over this problem once and for all. It's an absolute joke, and a slap in the face of all G.C.C. staff every time this kind of thing happens. WAKE UP GCC. As for Richard David of Vienna saying install CCTV, even that doesn't stop these hoodies, and nobodys. They just end up vandalising the cameras, or carrying our their graffitti elsewhere. So it just moves the problems somewhere eles. CCTV is no more than a N.I.M.B.Y. approach which does not solve the problem. However, in all the time that these graffitti "tags" are dubbed all over our citys walls and anywhere gangs can find it would seem that none of them are ever caught, or made to pay for the damage. The police must surely have a record and photos of these tags to be able to pin them down to who the perpetrators are. Maybe they just cannot be bothered placing enough resources on an issue like this, as there are so many alcohol / drug related crimes occurring which take priority. Until we catch the perpetrators, with a range of measures like "Neighbourhood Watch Inititiatives" keeping an eye out for suspicious behaviour, as well as the Police monitoring areas where this is happening, with if necessary plain clothed officers this problem will only get worse. [/quote] Lighten up ...
can always be worse ...
People Power wrote:
The Police and their specific units who deal with this issue must get a handle over this problem once and for all. It's an absolute joke, and a slap in the face of all G.C.C. staff every time this kind of thing happens. WAKE UP GCC. As for Richard David of Vienna saying install CCTV, even that doesn't stop these hoodies, and nobodys. They just end up vandalising the cameras, or carrying our their graffitti elsewhere. So it just moves the problems somewhere eles. CCTV is no more than a N.I.M.B.Y. approach which does not solve the problem. However, in all the time that these graffitti "tags" are dubbed all over our citys walls and anywhere gangs can find it would seem that none of them are ever caught, or made to pay for the damage. The police must surely have a record and photos of these tags to be able to pin them down to who the perpetrators are. Maybe they just cannot be bothered placing enough resources on an issue like this, as there are so many alcohol / drug related crimes occurring which take priority. Until we catch the perpetrators, with a range of measures like "Neighbourhood Watch Inititiatives" keeping an eye out for suspicious behaviour, as well as the Police monitoring areas where this is happening, with if necessary plain clothed officers this problem will only get worse.
Lighten up ...
can always be worse ...
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 5:25am Wed 2 Jan 08
So GAW/wullie aberdeen blames the working class and the Orange Order for graffitti, I wonder how bigots like him get through life.
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Bigots like who? The people I accused of graffiti are the real culprits. The idiotic working class only know how to destroy and ruin things - we hardworking middle class have better things to do, than scrawl our names on walls for strangers to read, thank you very much. God. And, every July, the underpass features various sectarian graffiti as the filthy untermenschen of the Orange Order lurch past. Of course it wont be them doing it, but the same Phantom hangers-on who are allegedly to blame for the violence and other outrages.
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The Labour council have captured the imagination of the public with the the clean Glasgow campaign. Us citizens should assist more in trying to catch the scum who have done this after all the hard work the council have put in on this matter.
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Frank, the Councils efforts only extend to making a web-page and having Stephen Purcell bleat in the papers now and again. Have the Council actually cleared anything up? No they havent. Clean-ups are done by citizens themselves - of course, they have a responsibility too, but it is important to recognise this council "campaign" is largely just window dressing to make Purcell and Co look good.
I mean what are 14 (a pathetic number) litter wardens seriously going to achieve, other a minor top-up to council funds?
Told you before - If there isnt money in it for them, they arent interested. Dont believe me? What are the major three activities you think the Council has been working on recently?
Do you think:
- city cleanliness? (NO - no money in it)
- roadworks? (NO - no money in it)
- recycling? (NO - no money in it)
In fact, they have been only:
- working on commonwealth games bid (money - whoohoo!)
- collecting council tax (money - whoohoo!)
- housing bogus asylum seekers (money - whoohoo!)
No wonder the place is a dump.
So GAW/wullie aberdeen blames the working class and the Orange Order for graffitti, I wonder how bigots like him get through life.
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Bigots like who? The people I accused of graffiti are the real culprits. The idiotic working class only know how to destroy and ruin things - we hardworking middle class have better things to do, than scrawl our names on walls for strangers to read, thank you very much. God. And, every July, the underpass features various sectarian graffiti as the filthy untermenschen of the Orange Order lurch past. Of course it wont be them doing it, but the same Phantom hangers-on who are allegedly to blame for the violence and other outrages.
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The Labour council have captured the imagination of the public with the the clean Glasgow campaign. Us citizens should assist more in trying to catch the scum who have done this after all the hard work the council have put in on this matter.
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Frank, the Councils efforts only extend to making a web-page and having Stephen Purcell bleat in the papers now and again. Have the Council actually cleared anything up? No they havent. Clean-ups are done by citizens themselves - of course, they have a responsibility too, but it is important to recognise this council "campaign" is largely just window dressing to make Purcell and Co look good.
I mean what are 14 (a pathetic number) litter wardens seriously going to achieve, other a minor top-up to council funds?
Told you before - If there isnt money in it for them, they arent interested. Dont believe me? What are the major three activities you think the Council has been working on recently?
Do you think:
- city cleanliness? (NO - no money in it)
- roadworks? (NO - no money in it)
- recycling? (NO - no money in it)
In fact, they have been only:
- working on commonwealth games bid (money - whoohoo!)
- collecting council tax (money - whoohoo!)
- housing bogus asylum seekers (money - whoohoo!)
No wonder the place is a dump.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 5:32am Wed 2 Jan 08
Ach, they're only kids....
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Bubbleman - filth is filth, regardless of its age in human years. Less of the liberal BS please.
Ach, they're only kids....
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Bubbleman - filth is filth, regardless of its age in human years. Less of the liberal BS please.
Posted by: toro loco, glasgow on 1:48pm Wed 2 Jan 08
Glasgow is a city with no pride nor respect for its environment, its lifestyle nor its people. This can be seen in everything from the third-rate buildings that are granted planning permission to the defacing of public art. Shame on you all.
Glasgow is a city with no pride nor respect for its environment, its lifestyle nor its people. This can be seen in everything from the third-rate buildings that are granted planning permission to the defacing of public art. Shame on you all.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:18pm Wed 2 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
The Labour council have captured the imagination of the public with the the clean Glasgow campaign. Us citizens should assist more in trying to catch the scum who have done this after all the hard work the council have put in on this matter.[/quote] Frank, sorry to upset you, but "The Clean Glasgow Campaign" was a smokescreen, or a farce which was purely to win Glasgow the bid it made for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.
The money invested in it was minimal, and the resources and staff used to run it was a joke.
I tried on several occasions to get in touch with the person covering my area, they were overstretched, and didn't seem to know their remit, or what they were doing.
So - much as I'd like to believe the "Clean Glasgow Campaign" was a huge success, it was only a part success in the areas where the most politically, and Community active people were.
Relying on ordinary people to take the initiative, and phone the council for litter pickers, and gloves was farcical.
And many I spoke to were of the impression that they pay their Council Tax for GCC's Cleansing Dept to do the job, so why should they do it ?
Bring back the street sweepers, prioritise where Glasgow is failing, and stop paying our Councillors the disgusting salaries unless they are proving themselves, and responding to their constituents. Not blanking them.
Frank wrote:
The Labour council have captured the imagination of the public with the the clean Glasgow campaign. Us citizens should assist more in trying to catch the scum who have done this after all the hard work the council have put in on this matter.
Frank, sorry to upset you, but "The Clean Glasgow Campaign" was a smokescreen, or a farce which was purely to win Glasgow the bid it made for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.
The money invested in it was minimal, and the resources and staff used to run it was a joke.
I tried on several occasions to get in touch with the person covering my area, they were overstretched, and didn't seem to know their remit, or what they were doing.
So - much as I'd like to believe the "Clean Glasgow Campaign" was a huge success, it was only a part success in the areas where the most politically, and Community active people were.
Relying on ordinary people to take the initiative, and phone the council for litter pickers, and gloves was farcical.
And many I spoke to were of the impression that they pay their Council Tax for GCC's Cleansing Dept to do the job, so why should they do it ?
Bring back the street sweepers, prioritise where Glasgow is failing, and stop paying our Councillors the disgusting salaries unless they are proving themselves, and responding to their constituents. Not blanking them.
Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 10:24am Fri 4 Jan 08
Toro Loco : "Shame on you all."
Daring to tar us with the same brush (or is it marker pen??) as these graffiti artists makes you no better than they are - take your sweeping generalisations and leave if you're not happy here.
Toro Loco : "Shame on you all."
Daring to tar us with the same brush (or is it marker pen??) as these graffiti artists makes you no better than they are - take your sweeping generalisations and leave if you're not happy here.
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