Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:19am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]Representatives of planning and design specialists Halcrow... were expected on site later today.
A city council spokeswoman said: "We don't believe the bridge's integrity is at risk..."[/quote]
This is typical mindless spin from a GCC mouthpiece: blurting out the first thing that comes into her head, without recourse either to the facts, or to expert advice becoming available. Would it not have better to say that GCC is awaiting the expert opinion of the design specialists on-site, rather than proffering remote, speculative opinion on the [italic]risk to the bridge's integrity[/italic] ???
Representatives of planning and design specialists Halcrow... were expected on site later today.
A city council spokeswoman said: "We don't believe the bridge's integrity is at risk..."
This is typical mindless spin from a GCC mouthpiece: blurting out the first thing that comes into her head, without recourse either to the facts, or to expert advice becoming available. Would it not have better to say that GCC is awaiting the expert opinion of the design specialists on-site, rather than proffering remote, speculative opinion on the
risk to the bridge's integrity ???
Posted by: Alan, West End on 11:42am Tue 15 Jan 08
Sydney, Don't you think that this "mindless spin" might be based on the fact that the "bridge is designed to allow for struts to be removed one at a time to be repaired"?
Sydney, Don't you think that this "mindless spin" might be based on the fact that the "bridge is designed to allow for struts to be removed one at a time to be repaired"?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:55am Tue 15 Jan 08
My point exactly Alan, "removed one at a time" by expert engineers is hardly the same as [bold]snapping and crashing to the road in a "massive explosion"[/bold]... and even if [italic]this[/italic] cable is not damaged (highly unlikely) how many more are waiting to crash to the ground? The spokeswoman certainly does not know the answer to this question and the experts won't either, until [bold]after[/bold] a professional examination, testing and analysis!
My point exactly Alan, "removed one at a time" by expert engineers is hardly the same as
snapping and crashing to the road in a "massive explosion"... and even if
this cable is not damaged (highly unlikely) how many more are waiting to crash to the ground? The spokeswoman certainly does not know the answer to this question and the experts won't either, until
after a professional examination, testing and analysis!
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 12:04pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Not really news is it, probably built by a firm that put in the lowest tender for the bridge & using cheapest materials.boringgggg
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zzzzzzzz
Not really news is it, probably built by a firm that put in the lowest tender for the bridge & using cheapest materials.boringgggg
gggggggg,Zzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzz
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 12:36pm Tue 15 Jan 08
It apperars it is not just new buildings which are falling apart at Glasgow Harbour. But new bridges are also falling apart!
It apperars it is not just new buildings which are falling apart at Glasgow Harbour. But new bridges are also falling apart!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 12:36pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Sorry, but which of the witnesses said it was a "massive explosion"? The local resident who apparently slept through the whole thing? Hmm. Bit of a non-story here. The Evening Times should employ that Police spokesman who really told us all we need to know, rather than the bridge-blew-up-it-wa
s-like-a-bomb-or-the
-aliens-invading-or-
something-and-oh-my-
god-we're-all-going-
to-die reporting here. And - yes - it probably means that other bridges might be busier...
Sorry, but which of the witnesses said it was a "massive explosion"? The local resident who apparently slept through the whole thing? Hmm. Bit of a non-story here. The Evening Times should employ that Police spokesman who really told us all we need to know, rather than the bridge-blew-up-it-wa
s-like-a-bomb-or-the
-aliens-invading-or-
something-and-oh-my-
god-we're-all-going-
to-die reporting here. And - yes - it probably means that other bridges might be busier...
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 12:39pm Tue 15 Jan 08
its interesting that this happened last night and not during the storms and the winds from last week.
its interesting that this happened last night and not during the storms and the winds from last week.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 1:00pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
its interesting that this happened last night and not during the storms and the winds from last week.[/quote] It's possible that it could have been weakened, by the previous night's winds.Maybe and depending how long the bridge is closed for,the cause might be found to be a combination of poor design, and inferior building materials,look at the debacle of the revolving tower, how long was that out of action.I hope I'm not been cynical, but I fear a similar scenario with the snappy quinty bridge...
Big Al wrote:
its interesting that this happened last night and not during the storms and the winds from last week.
It's possible that it could have been weakened, by the previous night's winds.Maybe and depending how long the bridge is closed for,the cause might be found to be a combination of poor design, and inferior building materials,look at the debacle of the revolving tower, how long was that out of action.I hope I'm not been cynical, but I fear a similar scenario with the snappy quinty bridge...
Posted by: Jaym, Glasgow on 1:03pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........
The bridge should re-open in July!!!!
I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........
The bridge should re-open in July!!!!
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Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 1:13pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
Sorry, but which of the witnesses said it was a "massive explosion"? The local resident who apparently slept through the whole thing? Hmm. Bit of a non-story here. The Evening Times should employ that Police spokesman who really told us all we need to know, rather than the bridge-blew-up-it-wa s-like-a-bomb-or-the -aliens-invading-or- something-and-oh-my- god-we're-all-going- to-die reporting here. And - yes - it probably means that other bridges might be busier...[/quote] It could be worse... Radio Clyde News reported that the bridge had collapsed ! Presumably the Sunday Sport will run a story saying it's been attacked by sea demons from Atlantis ???
Pete wrote:
Sorry, but which of the witnesses said it was a "massive explosion"? The local resident who apparently slept through the whole thing? Hmm. Bit of a non-story here. The Evening Times should employ that Police spokesman who really told us all we need to know, rather than the bridge-blew-up-it-wa s-like-a-bomb-or-the -aliens-invading-or- something-and-oh-my- god-we're-all-going- to-die reporting here. And - yes - it probably means that other bridges might be busier...
It could be worse... Radio Clyde News reported that the bridge had collapsed ! Presumably the Sunday Sport will run a story saying it's been attacked by sea demons from Atlantis ???
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 1:32pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Tear it down it wont be missed.
Tear it down it wont be missed.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:34pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Jaym[/bold] wrote:
I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........
The bridge should re-open in July!!!![/quote] Surely this would come under some insurance policy or maintenance program? I mean, you don't just get something designed on that scale and take the engineer's word that the design is up to the job. At least I hope that the Council didn't do that.
What is it with Glasgow and its bridges - constant restrictions on the Kingston Bridge, footpath to nowhere at Anderston, bridge at Glasgow Airport, bridge with the offices above it at Charing Cross, bridges across Glasgow with weight restrictions. We don't have that great a record.
Jaym wrote:
I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........
The bridge should re-open in July!!!!
Surely this would come under some insurance policy or maintenance program? I mean, you don't just get something designed on that scale and take the engineer's word that the design is up to the job. At least I hope that the Council didn't do that.
What is it with Glasgow and its bridges - constant restrictions on the Kingston Bridge, footpath to nowhere at Anderston, bridge at Glasgow Airport, bridge with the offices above it at Charing Cross, bridges across Glasgow with weight restrictions. We don't have that great a record.
Posted by: Ladofglas25, Glasgow on 1:48pm Tue 15 Jan 08
this rag is almost on a par wi the sun! stupid blown out of all proportion reporting. they got the idea for using the word "explosion" cause 2 people, said they thought a bomb went aff! so the ET jumped on it because we all know 2 peoples opinion constitutes aboulute certainty
ooooh lets say the bridge exploded!!!
totaly and utterly pittyfull reporting
this rag is almost on a par wi the sun! stupid blown out of all proportion reporting. they got the idea for using the word "explosion" cause 2 people, said they thought a bomb went aff! so the ET jumped on it because we all know 2 peoples opinion constitutes aboulute certainty
ooooh lets say the bridge exploded!!!
totaly and utterly pittyfull reporting
Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 1:55pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Actually, ex-labour voter, the bridge WILL be missed while it is closed by those of us who use it daily. And surely it is news that a major crossing across the Clyde has experienced a failure such as this within 16 months?
And what do ET readers expect? If you want quality reporting, look at a broadsheet. For trash & local news, use a local tabloid.
Actually, ex-labour voter, the bridge WILL be missed while it is closed by those of us who use it daily. And surely it is news that a major crossing across the Clyde has experienced a failure such as this within 16 months?
And what do ET readers expect? If you want quality reporting, look at a broadsheet. For trash & local news, use a local tabloid.
Posted by: viewfromoutside, glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I agree this is a big story for Glasgow and therefore for Evening Times. But have just wtached both BBC and STV lunchtime Scottish bulletins which have the cable failure on the bridge as the lead story. That will be the story of cable falls at midnight, noone dead, in fat noone even slighty hurt. How can this be the most important thing that is happening in Scotland today. Don't think many people who live in Edinburgh, Dundee or Aberdeen will even know what or where the squinty bridge is. Would this be the lead item of the bridge was in any of these other cities? Answer: definetely not! So why is it lead story on the news. Presume its got everything to do with the fact that the new headquarters of both BBC Scotland and STV are now based over the bridge making this a story of such crucial national importance - ie a wee bit inconvenience for those that now work there! Please news editors, come up with a real story for the evening bulletins.
I agree this is a big story for Glasgow and therefore for Evening Times. But have just wtached both BBC and STV lunchtime Scottish bulletins which have the cable failure on the bridge as the lead story. That will be the story of cable falls at midnight, noone dead, in fat noone even slighty hurt. How can this be the most important thing that is happening in Scotland today. Don't think many people who live in Edinburgh, Dundee or Aberdeen will even know what or where the squinty bridge is. Would this be the lead item of the bridge was in any of these other cities? Answer: definetely not! So why is it lead story on the news. Presume its got everything to do with the fact that the new headquarters of both BBC Scotland and STV are now based over the bridge making this a story of such crucial national importance - ie a wee bit inconvenience for those that now work there! Please news editors, come up with a real story for the evening bulletins.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 15 Jan 08
So a few people find the bridge usefull.Big deal.
.http://news.bbc.co.
uk/1/hi/scotland/gla
sgow_and_west/535614
2.stm
So a few people find the bridge usefull.Big deal.
.http://news.bbc.co.
uk/1/hi/scotland/gla
sgow_and_west/535614
2.stm
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:15pm Tue 15 Jan 08
It's a big story 'cos all of the media chums will have to take a wee detour for a while. Now it will be at least quarter past four before the byres road bars fill up.
It's a big story 'cos all of the media chums will have to take a wee detour for a while. Now it will be at least quarter past four before the byres road bars fill up.
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 2:38pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote:
Not really news is it, probably built by a firm that put in the lowest tender for the bridge & using cheapest materials.boringgggg gggggggg,Zzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz[/quote] Your right. Probably made in China!!
Biffo the bear wrote:
Not really news is it, probably built by a firm that put in the lowest tender for the bridge & using cheapest materials.boringgggg gggggggg,Zzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz
Your right. Probably made in China!!
Posted by: Ladofglas25, Glasgow on 3:04pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote:
Actually, ex-labour voter, the bridge WILL be missed while it is closed by those of us who use it daily. And surely it is news that a major crossing across the Clyde has experienced a failure such as this within 16 months?
And what do ET readers expect? If you want quality reporting, look at a broadsheet. For trash & local news, use a local tabloid.
[/quote] well what did you do before the bridge was built?
exactly you crossed somewhere else!.
16 months, = almost a year and a half get a grip!
and lastly the ET used to be known or quality reporting and as a paper that could be depended on to tell the news of decent hard working glaswiegians who want to make the city a better place and refelct the opinions of those people, however it has turned into a gutter trash sensationalist labour party line tower. and broadsheets usualy are full of snobby bias undertones!
THE DECENT PEOPLE OF GLASGOW WANT THIER PAPER BACK!
Lol wrote:
Actually, ex-labour voter, the bridge WILL be missed while it is closed by those of us who use it daily. And surely it is news that a major crossing across the Clyde has experienced a failure such as this within 16 months?
And what do ET readers expect? If you want quality reporting, look at a broadsheet. For trash & local news, use a local tabloid.
well what did you do before the bridge was built?
exactly you crossed somewhere else!.
16 months, = almost a year and a half get a grip!
and lastly the ET used to be known or quality reporting and as a paper that could be depended on to tell the news of decent hard working glaswiegians who want to make the city a better place and refelct the opinions of those people, however it has turned into a gutter trash sensationalist labour party line tower. and broadsheets usualy are full of snobby bias undertones!
THE DECENT PEOPLE OF GLASGOW WANT THIER PAPER BACK!
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 3:33pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
Tear it down it wont be missed.[/quote] Stop posting on here - you would't be missed. Your negative comments are a dirge on this site and on our City. Does a big black storm cloud follow you about everywhere you go?
ex labour voter wrote:
Tear it down it wont be missed.
Stop posting on here - you would't be missed. Your negative comments are a dirge on this site and on our City. Does a big black storm cloud follow you about everywhere you go?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:57pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[bold]Post away ex labour voter.[/bold] What's the matter John Rendall, not like a wee dose of honest reality mixed in with your poisonous concoction of spin and self-interest which is destroying this city through ignorance and greed?
Post away ex labour voter. What's the matter John Rendall, not like a wee dose of honest reality mixed in with your poisonous concoction of spin and self-interest which is destroying this city through ignorance and greed?
Posted by: terencej72, g43 on 4:41pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
Tear it down it wont be missed.[/quote] I think you'll find this will be repaired. This is the FLAGSHIP of the regeneration of the Clydeside in Glasgow and as someone said the high ranking media folk at the BBC & STV will not put up with the bridge being decommissioned. They will pressure Purcell & his cronies & every MSP they can beseige to ensure it's repaired effectively and quickly.
SMG & BBC built their new offices BECAUSE that bridge was being built, if it wasn't they simply would not have moved. GCC had to encourage them to move by improving traffic access to the site, it was a sweetener.
Besides i moved to Kinning Park because this area was being redeveloped and use the bridge 5 days a week to cycle to and from work as do a great many others.
ex labour voter wrote:
Tear it down it wont be missed.
I think you'll find this will be repaired. This is the FLAGSHIP of the regeneration of the Clydeside in Glasgow and as someone said the high ranking media folk at the BBC & STV will not put up with the bridge being decommissioned. They will pressure Purcell & his cronies & every MSP they can beseige to ensure it's repaired effectively and quickly.
SMG & BBC built their new offices BECAUSE that bridge was being built, if it wasn't they simply would not have moved. GCC had to encourage them to move by improving traffic access to the site, it was a sweetener.
Besides i moved to Kinning Park because this area was being redeveloped and use the bridge 5 days a week to cycle to and from work as do a great many others.
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:48pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jaym[/bold] wrote: I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........ The bridge should re-open in July!!!![/quote] Surely this would come under some insurance policy or maintenance program? I mean, you don't just get something designed on that scale and take the engineer's word that the design is up to the job. At least I hope that the Council didn't do that. What is it with Glasgow and its bridges - constant restrictions on the Kingston Bridge, footpath to nowhere at Anderston, bridge at Glasgow Airport, bridge with the offices above it at Charing Cross, bridges across Glasgow with weight restrictions. We don't have that great a record.[/quote] What is it about SCOTLAND and its bridges. Look at the dire dire state of the Forth Road Bridge at Edinburgh - its a rotting hulk! Problems with the Kessock Bridge in Inverness and look at what happened to the Tay Bridge a number of years ago!
Then there is the Holyrood Building in Edinburgh - A TOTAL DISASTER and a disgrace to our country
Big Al wrote:
Jaym wrote: I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........ The bridge should re-open in July!!!!
Surely this would come under some insurance policy or maintenance program? I mean, you don't just get something designed on that scale and take the engineer's word that the design is up to the job. At least I hope that the Council didn't do that. What is it with Glasgow and its bridges - constant restrictions on the Kingston Bridge, footpath to nowhere at Anderston, bridge at Glasgow Airport, bridge with the offices above it at Charing Cross, bridges across Glasgow with weight restrictions. We don't have that great a record.
What is it about SCOTLAND and its bridges. Look at the dire dire state of the Forth Road Bridge at Edinburgh - its a rotting hulk! Problems with the Kessock Bridge in Inverness and look at what happened to the Tay Bridge a number of years ago!
Then there is the Holyrood Building in Edinburgh - A TOTAL DISASTER and a disgrace to our country
Posted by: Jaym, Glasgow on 4:57pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I use the bridge everyday, and yes before it was built I went round Clyde Place. I went that way this morning which, surprise surprise, has restrictions on it. So the squinty bridge being out of action for weeks will cause problems.
I use the bridge everyday, and yes before it was built I went round Clyde Place. I went that way this morning which, surprise surprise, has restrictions on it. So the squinty bridge being out of action for weeks will cause problems.
Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 5:23pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Ladofglas25; yes, I did use other routes before the bridge was built by car & by public transport and most of them are a nightmare during rush hour. The bridge has massively improved access to the city & the west-end for a much-neglected (until recently) area & has given the opportunity for bus companies to vary routes to the south-west of Glasgow.
And, you might have found that it's quicker to type "16 months" than "almost a year and a half" so I think you need to get a grip & give us all peace.
I only read a broadsheet (though technically, it's now in tabloid format) on a Sunday but I've read the ET for local interest for over 30 years and, frankly, I think it's pushing it to say that it's been anything other than pretty trashy for at least the last 10-15 years.
I don't work with the BBC or STV & I agree that the bridge would never have been built but for pressure from them. However, it is here now, it is pretty busy and is relied-upon so, please, accept that it is news, even if the good old ET has over-sensationalised it.
Ladofglas25; yes, I did use other routes before the bridge was built by car & by public transport and most of them are a nightmare during rush hour. The bridge has massively improved access to the city & the west-end for a much-neglected (until recently) area & has given the opportunity for bus companies to vary routes to the south-west of Glasgow.
And, you might have found that it's quicker to type "16 months" than "almost a year and a half" so I think you need to get a grip & give us all peace.
I only read a broadsheet (though technically, it's now in tabloid format) on a Sunday but I've read the ET for local interest for over 30 years and, frankly, I think it's pushing it to say that it's been anything other than pretty trashy for at least the last 10-15 years.
I don't work with the BBC or STV & I agree that the bridge would never have been built but for pressure from them. However, it is here now, it is pretty busy and is relied-upon so, please, accept that it is news, even if the good old ET has over-sensationalised it.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:26pm Tue 15 Jan 08
John Rendall. I will post on any site I want including this **** rag . Idiotic personal attacks on posters are childish and make you sound like a bitter wee LABOUR coonsil employee , OF WHICH YOU MOST PROBABLY ARE.
Try the link I posted to see what glaswegians
really think of this expensive bridge to nowhere.The volume of traffic using the bent bridge does not justyfy the cost to us taxpayers.
John Rendall. I will post on any site I want including this **** rag . Idiotic personal attacks on posters are childish and make you sound like a bitter wee LABOUR coonsil employee , OF WHICH YOU MOST PROBABLY ARE.
Try the link I posted to see what glaswegians
really think of this expensive bridge to nowhere.The volume of traffic using the bent bridge does not justyfy the cost to us taxpayers.
Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 5:35pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Ex labour voter- your link seems to be about people protesting about parking restrictions in the area, not about the bridge itself
"Residents opposing the extension of parking restrictions demonstrated at the opening of the Clyde Arc." (...for max publicity, I'm guessing).
Having worked in Woodlands at the time those restrictions were introduced, they covered a huge part of the west-end, not just Finnieston so the relevance is a bit tenuous.
And before you accuse me of being a labour "coonsil" emplyee; I'm not- I'd kick them out of GCC without a second thought.
Ex labour voter- your link seems to be about people protesting about parking restrictions in the area, not about the bridge itself
"Residents opposing the extension of parking restrictions demonstrated at the opening of the Clyde Arc." (...for max publicity, I'm guessing).
Having worked in Woodlands at the time those restrictions were introduced, they covered a huge part of the west-end, not just Finnieston so the relevance is a bit tenuous.
And before you accuse me of being a labour "coonsil" emplyee; I'm not- I'd kick them out of GCC without a second thought.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:47pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Jaym[/bold] wrote: I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........ The bridge should re-open in July!!!![/quote] Surely this would come under some insurance policy or maintenance program? I mean, you don't just get something designed on that scale and take the engineer's word that the design is up to the job. At least I hope that the Council didn't do that. What is it with Glasgow and its bridges - constant restrictions on the Kingston Bridge, footpath to nowhere at Anderston, bridge at Glasgow Airport, bridge with the offices above it at Charing Cross, bridges across Glasgow with weight restrictions. We don't have that great a record.[/quote] What is it about SCOTLAND and its bridges. Look at the dire dire state of the Forth Road Bridge at Edinburgh - its a rotting hulk! Problems with the Kessock Bridge in Inverness and look at what happened to the Tay Bridge a number of years ago! Then there is the Holyrood Building in Edinburgh - A TOTAL DISASTER and a disgrace to our country[/quote] And the Kingston Bridge as well, which will have to be repaired again in a few years time and probably again a few years after that.
All money down the pan - we are a laughing stock. best laugh is, its our money that's being wasted and its nothing new, this pracrtice is fast approaching 60 years of pouring money down a hole!
This place is a carbuncle of crap, and you get people who say its magic, inspartional and all that b0ll0cks!
There's stil an apparent fetish for concrete, they don't build with solid, natural materials anymore, because they say its expensive
Well what the fcuk does it cost to continually repair concrete sh1te year after year after year?
Of course, we're just the gimps who have to take it up the arse at every turn!
[bold]SORT IT YOU BUNCH OF CLOWNS![/bold]
Ian wrote:
Big Al wrote: Jaym wrote: I drove past this morning and in usual council fashion there were about 8 people on the bridge, some with their yellow jackets on and others in their suits and winter coats all just standing looking at the cable. They'll need to go back to their offices and think about what to do, then check the budget, then put in an order to get the work done........ The bridge should re-open in July!!!!
Surely this would come under some insurance policy or maintenance program? I mean, you don't just get something designed on that scale and take the engineer's word that the design is up to the job. At least I hope that the Council didn't do that. What is it with Glasgow and its bridges - constant restrictions on the Kingston Bridge, footpath to nowhere at Anderston, bridge at Glasgow Airport, bridge with the offices above it at Charing Cross, bridges across Glasgow with weight restrictions. We don't have that great a record.
What is it about SCOTLAND and its bridges. Look at the dire dire state of the Forth Road Bridge at Edinburgh - its a rotting hulk! Problems with the Kessock Bridge in Inverness and look at what happened to the Tay Bridge a number of years ago! Then there is the Holyrood Building in Edinburgh - A TOTAL DISASTER and a disgrace to our country
And the Kingston Bridge as well, which will have to be repaired again in a few years time and probably again a few years after that.
All money down the pan - we are a laughing stock. best laugh is, its our money that's being wasted and its nothing new, this pracrtice is fast approaching 60 years of pouring money down a hole!
This place is a carbuncle of crap, and you get people who say its magic, inspartional and all that b0ll0cks!
There's stil an apparent fetish for concrete, they don't build with solid, natural materials anymore, because they say its expensive
Well what the fcuk does it cost to continually repair concrete sh1te year after year after year?
Of course, we're just the gimps who have to take it up the arse at every turn!
SORT IT YOU BUNCH OF CLOWNS!Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:51pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]"It was a scary sound, like a bomb going off."[/quote]
So let me get this straight, every time something happens, like something snaps or breaks, we're always going to be reminded by some paranoid schizophrenic that we're being attacked by terrorists?
[bold]They'll be laughing at us - they'll be saying, "We don't need to damage that place, Labour's done a good job of that without us interfering!"[/bold]
"It was a scary sound, like a bomb going off."
So let me get this straight, every time something happens, like something snaps or breaks, we're always going to be reminded by some paranoid schizophrenic that we're being attacked by terrorists?
They'll be laughing at us - they'll be saying, "We don't need to damage that place, Labour's done a good job of that without us interfering!" Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:57pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]A city council spokeswoman said: "We don't believe the bridge's integrity is at risk..."[/quote]
I wasn't aware a bridge had feelings and a brain, is it taking anti-depressants as a result of a cable possibly harming its integrity?
Will the bridge have to see the doctor and go 8 weeks on the sick?
[bold]Sniff and smell the sh1te wafting from the City Chambers, home of da mob!![/bold]
What sort of stupid
A city council spokeswoman said: "We don't believe the bridge's integrity is at risk..."
I wasn't aware a bridge had feelings and a brain, is it taking anti-depressants as a result of a cable possibly harming its integrity?
Will the bridge have to see the doctor and go 8 weeks on the sick?
Sniff and smell the sh1te wafting from the City Chambers, home of da mob!!
What sort of stupid
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:02pm Tue 15 Jan 08
......From comment above
What sort of stupid people have we got running the show? Surely in this day and age, you would expect engineers and architects to be far more superior than their victorian predecessors
[bold]IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE - TOO THICK AND LAZY! JOBS FOR THE BOYZ![/bold]
[italic]As Talking Heads and the Glaswegian David Byrne said back in 1984 - We're on the Road to Nowhere![/italic]
......From comment above
What sort of stupid people have we got running the show? Surely in this day and age, you would expect engineers and architects to be far more superior than their victorian predecessors
IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE - TOO THICK AND LAZY! JOBS FOR THE BOYZ!
As Talking Heads and the Glaswegian David Byrne said back in 1984 - We're on the Road to Nowhere! Posted by: TRANSTUNNEL, europe on 6:48pm Tue 15 Jan 08
From observation of the pictures it is the steel coupling that has failed . So the following needs investigated . The other piece of the coupling must be found and sent along with the part still attached to the cable for fracture analysis . The design of the coupling must be accessed in conjunction with the bridge design loads , live and dead including wind loadings , cable tension . Ie is the thickness of the coupling able to withstand the imposed loads incurred , is the tension of the cable in excess of the design ?. The steel that it was fabricated from , the mill records need to be retrieved and the mill plate tests for that particular piece of steel reviewed and anylised for possible flaws . Also was it the only coupling made from that plate . Are the other couplings from that particular plate , whether or not all cables will require to be disasembled and the couplings NDT for potential flaws .What was the testing requirements for the couplings at fabrication / pre installation and were they carried out .Somebody got lucky last night in that no one got killed , cause if it had popped when someone was on the bridge whether on foot or by car the there is a very good chance that a serious accident or worse would have happend . With the above in mind it is only logical the the bridge will remain in a closed state till all of the above is investigated and any remedial works are carried out , tako
From observation of the pictures it is the steel coupling that has failed . So the following needs investigated . The other piece of the coupling must be found and sent along with the part still attached to the cable for fracture analysis . The design of the coupling must be accessed in conjunction with the bridge design loads , live and dead including wind loadings , cable tension . Ie is the thickness of the coupling able to withstand the imposed loads incurred , is the tension of the cable in excess of the design ?. The steel that it was fabricated from , the mill records need to be retrieved and the mill plate tests for that particular piece of steel reviewed and anylised for possible flaws . Also was it the only coupling made from that plate . Are the other couplings from that particular plate , whether or not all cables will require to be disasembled and the couplings NDT for potential flaws .What was the testing requirements for the couplings at fabrication / pre installation and were they carried out .Somebody got lucky last night in that no one got killed , cause if it had popped when someone was on the bridge whether on foot or by car the there is a very good chance that a serious accident or worse would have happend . With the above in mind it is only logical the the bridge will remain in a closed state till all of the above is investigated and any remedial works are carried out , tako
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:53pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]DMac[/bold] wrote:
It apperars it is not just new buildings which are falling apart at Glasgow Harbour. But new bridges are also falling apart![/quote]
The song "london Bridge IS Falling Down" rings a bell, or should that be...."Glasgow Bridge Is Falling Down!"
As for Glasgow Harbour, it wasn't that long ago that Muriel Gray gave them a fifty year lifespan. Maybe that should be more like five years. If their falling apart already.....
The materials used in new builds are compromised all too often, for the profiteering greed of quick sales.
The tenements we still have 150 years later speak volumes for the architecture of years gone by. And despite the excuses used for the cost of sandstone now.
The longevity of buildings must come into the equation.
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Not just the profits made when properties are sold. That applies to the Structure of the "Squinty Bridge!" too - clearly it wasn't built with the materials, or structural soundness expected in this day and age.
DMac wrote:
It apperars it is not just new buildings which are falling apart at Glasgow Harbour. But new bridges are also falling apart!
The song "london Bridge IS Falling Down" rings a bell, or should that be...."Glasgow Bridge Is Falling Down!"
As for Glasgow Harbour, it wasn't that long ago that Muriel Gray gave them a fifty year lifespan. Maybe that should be more like five years. If their falling apart already.....
The materials used in new builds are compromised all too often, for the profiteering greed of quick sales.
The tenements we still have 150 years later speak volumes for the architecture of years gone by. And despite the excuses used for the cost of sandstone now.
The longevity of buildings must come into the equation.
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Not just the profits made when properties are sold. That applies to the Structure of the "Squinty Bridge!" too - clearly it wasn't built with the materials, or structural soundness expected in this day and age.
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 7:06pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I can understand the Kingston Bridge having restrictions occasionally, as it is well over-used. Probably around double the amount of vehicles expected now use the bridge daily. The restrictions on the Northbound side of the Kingston Bridge (which do no allow access to the Clydeside Expressway from the M8 East, or access to the M8 East from the West Street on ramp) are deliberately there to avoid FIVE lanes of traffic changing lanes within the distance of the bridge.
The Clyde Arc (Squinty) Bridge however, is not over-used, and it's strange how something like this could have happened so early in it's life.
And come on Glasgow City Council. When (if ever) is the Cathedral Street Bridge above Queen St Stn. going to re-open. The bridge situation is a shambles!
I can understand the Kingston Bridge having restrictions occasionally, as it is well over-used. Probably around double the amount of vehicles expected now use the bridge daily. The restrictions on the Northbound side of the Kingston Bridge (which do no allow access to the Clydeside Expressway from the M8 East, or access to the M8 East from the West Street on ramp) are deliberately there to avoid FIVE lanes of traffic changing lanes within the distance of the bridge.
The Clyde Arc (Squinty) Bridge however, is not over-used, and it's strange how something like this could have happened so early in it's life.
And come on Glasgow City Council. When (if ever) is the Cathedral Street Bridge above Queen St Stn. going to re-open. The bridge situation is a shambles!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 8:01pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]TRANSTUNNEL[/bold] wrote:
From observation of the pictures it is the steel coupling that has failed . So the following needs investigated . The other piece of the coupling must be found and sent along with the part still attached to the cable for fracture analysis . The design of the coupling must be accessed in conjunction with the bridge design loads , live and dead including wind loadings , cable tension . Ie is the thickness of the coupling able to withstand the imposed loads incurred , is the tension of the cable in excess of the design ?. The steel that it was fabricated from , the mill records need to be retrieved and the mill plate tests for that particular piece of steel reviewed and anylised for possible flaws . Also was it the only coupling made from that plate . Are the other couplings from that particular plate , whether or not all cables will require to be disasembled and the couplings NDT for potential flaws .What was the testing requirements for the couplings at fabrication / pre installation and were they carried out .Somebody got lucky last night in that no one got killed , cause if it had popped when someone was on the bridge whether on foot or by car the there is a very good chance that a serious accident or worse would have happend . With the above in mind it is only logical the the bridge will remain in a closed state till all of the above is investigated and any remedial works are carried out , tako
[/quote] Well said sir... I'm sure the spokeswoman took all this into account before dumbing it down for us public! ;)
The fact is that this - combined or otherwise with the frequently faulty Glasgow Tower and the roofs being blown off new-build Glasgow Harbour flats - is a serious embarrassment to the image of this city. How long must we go on with greedy 'consultants' and short-sighted 'property developers' creaming off huge profits, leaving only shoddy, faulty constructions which make everyone looking rather silly?
TRANSTUNNEL wrote:
From observation of the pictures it is the steel coupling that has failed . So the following needs investigated . The other piece of the coupling must be found and sent along with the part still attached to the cable for fracture analysis . The design of the coupling must be accessed in conjunction with the bridge design loads , live and dead including wind loadings , cable tension . Ie is the thickness of the coupling able to withstand the imposed loads incurred , is the tension of the cable in excess of the design ?. The steel that it was fabricated from , the mill records need to be retrieved and the mill plate tests for that particular piece of steel reviewed and anylised for possible flaws . Also was it the only coupling made from that plate . Are the other couplings from that particular plate , whether or not all cables will require to be disasembled and the couplings NDT for potential flaws .What was the testing requirements for the couplings at fabrication / pre installation and were they carried out .Somebody got lucky last night in that no one got killed , cause if it had popped when someone was on the bridge whether on foot or by car the there is a very good chance that a serious accident or worse would have happend . With the above in mind it is only logical the the bridge will remain in a closed state till all of the above is investigated and any remedial works are carried out , tako
Well said sir... I'm sure the spokeswoman took all this into account before dumbing it down for us public! ;)
The fact is that this - combined or otherwise with the frequently faulty Glasgow Tower and the roofs being blown off new-build Glasgow Harbour flats - is a serious embarrassment to the image of this city. How long must we go on with greedy 'consultants' and short-sighted 'property developers' creaming off huge profits, leaving only shoddy, faulty constructions which make everyone looking rather silly?
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 10:11pm Tue 15 Jan 08
It looks as if Glasgow has acquired another white elephant,And we'll soon have to change our city motto..."Here's the tower that never turned, Here's the bridge that can't be crossed,the poor old taxpayer have paid the cost"...
It looks as if Glasgow has acquired another white elephant,And we'll soon have to change our city motto..."Here's the tower that never turned, Here's the bridge that can't be crossed,the poor old taxpayer have paid the cost"...
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:06am Wed 16 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
......From comment above What sort of stupid people have we got running the show? Surely in this day and age, you would expect engineers and architects to be far more superior than their victorian predecessors [bold]IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE - TOO THICK AND LAZY! JOBS FOR THE BOYZ![/bold] [italic]As Talking Heads and the Glaswegian David Byrne said back in 1984 - We're on the Road to Nowhere![/italic] [/quote]
Hiya Missing City I like your style!
What else can you say on this whole saga without being sarcastic and taking the mince right out of these useless Councillors in Goerge Square.
What has happened to our quality of engineering and workmanship - the BBC News highlighted the issues for Glasgow well, first the Glasgow Tower, then The Scottish Parliament Building in edinburgh.....if it counts!) and. . . . now the "Squinty Bridge!"
With the BBC & STV Riverside Studios only being built, on condition the new bridge was built also.......
Can Glasgow City Council do anything right ? Words fail me! ;-)
The Missing City wrote:
......From comment above What sort of stupid people have we got running the show? Surely in this day and age, you would expect engineers and architects to be far more superior than their victorian predecessors IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE - TOO THICK AND LAZY! JOBS FOR THE BOYZ! As Talking Heads and the Glaswegian David Byrne said back in 1984 - We're on the Road to Nowhere!
Hiya Missing City I like your style!
What else can you say on this whole saga without being sarcastic and taking the mince right out of these useless Councillors in Goerge Square.
What has happened to our quality of engineering and workmanship - the BBC News highlighted the issues for Glasgow well, first the Glasgow Tower, then The Scottish Parliament Building in edinburgh.....if it counts!) and. . . . now the "Squinty Bridge!"
With the BBC & STV Riverside Studios only being built, on condition the new bridge was built also.......
Can Glasgow City Council do anything right ? Words fail me! ;-)
Posted by: WestEnder, Glasgow on 4:04am Wed 16 Jan 08
The guy doing the voiceover on the video needs to give up the dream of being a newsreader.. I've heard more talented announcers working for scotrail!
The guy doing the voiceover on the video needs to give up the dream of being a newsreader.. I've heard more talented announcers working for scotrail!
Posted by: Va Gent, Richmond on 4:47am Wed 16 Jan 08
I am sure that the bridge will open sooner than later. The interim solution will probably be to only open 1 lane in each direction, and have weight limit restriction.
I am sure that the bridge will open sooner than later. The interim solution will probably be to only open 1 lane in each direction, and have weight limit restriction.
Posted by: Pisipati Sriram, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India. on 6:35am Wed 16 Jan 08
It was an irony that one of the supporting cables of the 169-metre Clyde Arc Bridge snapped when the bridge got 2007 Saltire Award for civil engineering just two months ago. It is scaring to think of what would have happened if the giant snapped cable hit any vehicle or other bridge users. The redeeming thing is the bridge is still under maintenance agreement with the contractor. Thank God there is no human loss.
It was an irony that one of the supporting cables of the 169-metre Clyde Arc Bridge snapped when the bridge got 2007 Saltire Award for civil engineering just two months ago. It is scaring to think of what would have happened if the giant snapped cable hit any vehicle or other bridge users. The redeeming thing is the bridge is still under maintenance agreement with the contractor. Thank God there is no human loss.
Posted by: weegielady, glasgow on 10:42am Wed 16 Jan 08
imagine how many new homes in Glasgow could have been built for 20million quid rather than a poncy bridge, waste of resources. [italic]Stupid looking any how.[/italic]
[bold]squinty in name and in nature
council shouldve gone to spec savers![/bold]
imagine how many new homes in Glasgow could have been built for 20million quid rather than a poncy bridge, waste of resources.
Stupid looking any how.
squinty in name and in nature
council shouldve gone to spec savers! Posted by: weegielady, glasgow on 10:49am Wed 16 Jan 08
I heard a coach crammed full of folk going to fat camp caused the damage, they were trying to make it to McDonalds drive thru before it closed. But its only a rumour, as maybe it was KFC...
I heard a coach crammed full of folk going to fat camp caused the damage, they were trying to make it to McDonalds drive thru before it closed. But its only a rumour, as maybe it was KFC...
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:40pm Wed 16 Jan 08
[quote][bold]weegielady[/bold] wrote:
imagine how many new homes in Glasgow could have been built for 20million quid rather than a poncy bridge, waste of resources. [italic]Stupid looking any how.[/italic] [bold]squinty in name and in nature council shouldve gone to spec savers![/bold] [/quote]
Nice one [bold]weegielady[/bold]
Like you say the poncy bridgeis a waste of £20 million. Also, I'd add that it seems way out of scale and far to big, just so that it is in line with the Harbourside Development, and other riverside flats.
It's about the practicallity of being able to cross it safely, without the [bold]"cables snapping"[/bold] Clearly the designers need to go back to their Computer Aided Design packages, or should that be their good old drawing boards!
[bold]And, another thing: Its to late for the Council to go to spec Savers, when white sticks are cheaper.[/bold]
weegielady wrote:
imagine how many new homes in Glasgow could have been built for 20million quid rather than a poncy bridge, waste of resources. Stupid looking any how. squinty in name and in nature council shouldve gone to spec savers!
Nice one
weegielady
Like you say the poncy bridgeis a waste of £20 million. Also, I'd add that it seems way out of scale and far to big, just so that it is in line with the Harbourside Development, and other riverside flats.
It's about the practicallity of being able to cross it safely, without the
"cables snapping" Clearly the designers need to go back to their Computer Aided Design packages, or should that be their good old drawing boards!
And, another thing: Its to late for the Council to go to spec Savers, when white sticks are cheaper.
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 2:23pm Wed 16 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
John Rendall. I will post on any site I want including this **** rag . Idiotic personal attacks on posters are childish and make you sound like a bitter wee LABOUR coonsil employee , OF WHICH YOU MOST PROBABLY ARE.
Try the link I posted to see what glaswegians
really think of this expensive bridge to nowhere.The volume of traffic using the bent bridge does not justyfy the cost to us taxpayers.[/quote] Wrong on all counts. However, I am proud to live and work in Glasgow. It was not an idiotic personal attack it was merely a statement saying your negativity is getting a bit tiresome. And if this is **** rag why do you continually read it and post on its forums. Enjoy the rest of your negative week.
ex labour voter wrote:
John Rendall. I will post on any site I want including this **** rag . Idiotic personal attacks on posters are childish and make you sound like a bitter wee LABOUR coonsil employee , OF WHICH YOU MOST PROBABLY ARE.
Try the link I posted to see what glaswegians
really think of this expensive bridge to nowhere.The volume of traffic using the bent bridge does not justyfy the cost to us taxpayers.
Wrong on all counts. However, I am proud to live and work in Glasgow. It was not an idiotic personal attack it was merely a statement saying your negativity is getting a bit tiresome. And if this is **** rag why do you continually read it and post on its forums. Enjoy the rest of your negative week.