Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:21am Mon 21 Jan 08
On that note, there should be no more delay, after waiting 30 years or so since the idea was first suggested when the Argyle line was first being developed, this line should have been developed as well.
Just shows in between **** politics and cutbacks, it takes more time to actually see things in reality, but this is Glasgow, normally when an idea is first mooted, it usually takes 40 years before it becomes reality.
Also interesting to note that Glasgow Corporation back in 1951 was desperate to get rid of the integrated tram network because it held up car traffic in the city and they believed it was an embarrassing part of the city's transport system.
Just another example of the short sightedness that controls us, no wonder people today are so negative and backward.
[italic]The above reference was written by Charles A. Oakley - 1962[/italic]
On that note, there should be no more delay, after waiting 30 years or so since the idea was first suggested when the Argyle line was first being developed, this line should have been developed as well.
Just shows in between **** politics and cutbacks, it takes more time to actually see things in reality, but this is Glasgow, normally when an idea is first mooted, it usually takes 40 years before it becomes reality.
Also interesting to note that Glasgow Corporation back in 1951 was desperate to get rid of the integrated tram network because it held up car traffic in the city and they believed it was an embarrassing part of the city's transport system.
Just another example of the short sightedness that controls us, no wonder people today are so negative and backward.
The above reference was written by Charles A. Oakley - 1962 Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:38am Mon 21 Jan 08
Trouble is, TMC, that it takes people away from Central. I'm not clear how many people (workers, shoppers, revellers (ET word)) want to go to Glasgow Cross area (as opposed to the main office and retail areas?). OK, so you can swing back into Queen Street (it doesn't say where services would run after the Cross) but it would still be quicker for people to to to Central and walk...
It's a difficult one this - you gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts.
Trouble is, TMC, that it takes people away from Central. I'm not clear how many people (workers, shoppers, revellers (ET word)) want to go to Glasgow Cross area (as opposed to the main office and retail areas?). OK, so you can swing back into Queen Street (it doesn't say where services would run after the Cross) but it would still be quicker for people to to to Central and walk...
It's a difficult one this - you gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts.
Posted by: allan, brisbane queensland on 11:45am Mon 21 Jan 08
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
Posted by: allan, brisbane queensland on 11:47am Mon 21 Jan 08
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:51am Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
Trouble is, TMC, that it takes people away from Central. I'm not clear how many people (workers, shoppers, revellers (ET word)) want to go to Glasgow Cross area (as opposed to the main office and retail areas?). OK, so you can swing back into Queen Street (it doesn't say where services would run after the Cross) but it would still be quicker for people to to to Central and walk... It's a difficult one this - you gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts.[/quote] Maybe so, but with future development in Trdaeston, Laurieston, Calton and High Street / Ladywell and East Dennistoun and being able to connect with the rest of the country, it should be up and running before employers / employees and residents start losing the place at the lack of transport links when these districts are re-developed.
I for one, wouldn't like to have to walk from Central or wait on a crap bus to get to any of these areas in 10 years time, if there is a station and indeed it looks as if there will be a market (as I've just explained) then it will only serve as a positive contributor to the fragmented system we currently have in operation.
Brad wrote:
Trouble is, TMC, that it takes people away from Central. I'm not clear how many people (workers, shoppers, revellers (ET word)) want to go to Glasgow Cross area (as opposed to the main office and retail areas?). OK, so you can swing back into Queen Street (it doesn't say where services would run after the Cross) but it would still be quicker for people to to to Central and walk... It's a difficult one this - you gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts.
Maybe so, but with future development in Trdaeston, Laurieston, Calton and High Street / Ladywell and East Dennistoun and being able to connect with the rest of the country, it should be up and running before employers / employees and residents start losing the place at the lack of transport links when these districts are re-developed.
I for one, wouldn't like to have to walk from Central or wait on a crap bus to get to any of these areas in 10 years time, if there is a station and indeed it looks as if there will be a market (as I've just explained) then it will only serve as a positive contributor to the fragmented system we currently have in operation.
Posted by: allan, brisbane queensland on 11:55am Mon 21 Jan 08
re brad. when a cross river/city rail link is put into place in glasgow it in turns opens up more or less all train routes in scotland re tranfers connections etc here in brisbane in a few months a new huge bus train interchange will open in heart of the city its unfortunate scotland privatised its public transport here in queensland its the state gov who has the final say re public transport
re brad. when a cross river/city rail link is put into place in glasgow it in turns opens up more or less all train routes in scotland re tranfers connections etc here in brisbane in a few months a new huge bus train interchange will open in heart of the city its unfortunate scotland privatised its public transport here in queensland its the state gov who has the final say re public transport
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:58am Mon 21 Jan 08
Just DO something about it!Edinburgh got a tram line that it didnt want or need ,This would be brilliant for Glasgows transport as well as Scotland.It should be a priority.
Just DO something about it!Edinburgh got a tram line that it didnt want or need ,This would be brilliant for Glasgows transport as well as Scotland.It should be a priority.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:09pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]allan[/bold] wrote:
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind[/quote] Cutbacks, penny picnhing, negativity and deprivation - all factors associated with Glasgow being the Cow's tail.
I've never known a city to have been ripped apart and depleted the way Glasgow was, and in may ways, it still remains depleted in many respects. Cities in the former West Germany were bombed (Cologne was one of the worst hit) they rebuilt and they are far more advanced than us, and Germany hardly did any damage to Glasgow - amazing yet something that should make everybody's blood boil
[bold]Glasgow is two Cities converged as one[/bold]
The one for the rich - Shiny Office blocks, luxury apartments, fancy car, expensive clothes and lavish restaurants
The one for the poor - DWP Office or some freezing factory scraping by on the minimum wage (possibly supporting a family of 4 kids - no wonder its more economical to be on benefit) - a damp house or an identikit plot which is made of cardboard, second hand banger or crap bus, Primark and the greasy spoon.
And to think media have slagged us off and through the years it has been proven that they are too thick and ignorant to attack the root causes rather than slag off its people.
The whole thing is disgusting!
allan wrote:
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
Cutbacks, penny picnhing, negativity and deprivation - all factors associated with Glasgow being the Cow's tail.
I've never known a city to have been ripped apart and depleted the way Glasgow was, and in may ways, it still remains depleted in many respects. Cities in the former West Germany were bombed (Cologne was one of the worst hit) they rebuilt and they are far more advanced than us, and Germany hardly did any damage to Glasgow - amazing yet something that should make everybody's blood boil
Glasgow is two Cities converged as one
The one for the rich - Shiny Office blocks, luxury apartments, fancy car, expensive clothes and lavish restaurants
The one for the poor - DWP Office or some freezing factory scraping by on the minimum wage (possibly supporting a family of 4 kids - no wonder its more economical to be on benefit) - a damp house or an identikit plot which is made of cardboard, second hand banger or crap bus, Primark and the greasy spoon.
And to think media have slagged us off and through the years it has been proven that they are too thick and ignorant to attack the root causes rather than slag off its people.
The whole thing is disgusting!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:16pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]allan[/bold] wrote:
re brad. when a cross river/city rail link is put into place in glasgow it in turns opens up more or less all train routes in scotland re tranfers connections etc here in brisbane in a few months a new huge bus train interchange will open in heart of the city its unfortunate scotland privatised its public transport here in queensland its the state gov who has the final say re public transport[/quote] No Scotland never privatised its public transport, it was the Westminster Conservative government run by Margaret Thatcher who regulated coach companies in 1981, municipal bus operations in 1986 and finally the trains which was in 1991, something Scotland as a country was unable to have any control over at the tinme as most of Scotland was being run by a dodgy Labour Party under a dodgy political party at large!
A healthy contribution to the probems we are currently facing, hopefully the Scottish Parliament will reverse some of this damage that was not required, nor was it necessary!
allan wrote:
re brad. when a cross river/city rail link is put into place in glasgow it in turns opens up more or less all train routes in scotland re tranfers connections etc here in brisbane in a few months a new huge bus train interchange will open in heart of the city its unfortunate scotland privatised its public transport here in queensland its the state gov who has the final say re public transport
No Scotland never privatised its public transport, it was the Westminster Conservative government run by Margaret Thatcher who regulated coach companies in 1981, municipal bus operations in 1986 and finally the trains which was in 1991, something Scotland as a country was unable to have any control over at the tinme as most of Scotland was being run by a dodgy Labour Party under a dodgy political party at large!
A healthy contribution to the probems we are currently facing, hopefully the Scottish Parliament will reverse some of this damage that was not required, nor was it necessary!
Posted by: marty, Glasgow on 12:49pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]allan[/bold] wrote:
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind[/quote] Cutbacks, penny picnhing, negativity and deprivation - all factors associated with Glasgow being the Cow's tail.
I've never known a city to have been ripped apart and depleted the way Glasgow was, and in may ways, it still remains depleted in many respects. Cities in the former West Germany were bombed (Cologne was one of the worst hit) they rebuilt and they are far more advanced than us, and Germany hardly did any damage to Glasgow - amazing yet something that should make everybody's blood boil
[bold]Glasgow is two Cities converged as one[/bold]
The one for the rich - Shiny Office blocks, luxury apartments, fancy car, expensive clothes and lavish restaurants
The one for the poor - DWP Office or some freezing factory scraping by on the minimum wage (possibly supporting a family of 4 kids - no wonder its more economical to be on benefit) - a damp house or an identikit plot which is made of cardboard, second hand banger or crap bus, Primark and the greasy spoon.
And to think media have slagged us off and through the years it has been proven that they are too thick and ignorant to attack the root causes rather than slag off its people.
The whole thing is disgusting!
[/quote] Agreed that Glasgow's had a rather unfair deal over the years - it's prominant position eroded by politicians afraid of the power the city yielded, and the depletion of the traditional industries which made Glasgow strong. Coupled with a chronic lack of investment.
But you can't look to the past forever and dwell in rose-tinted nostalgia and self pity!
The 2-tier city analogy is rubbish - it's not a case of black and white, there's a sliding scale of wealth just like any large town or city anywhere. And that Scot's trait of looking down on those who are successful or dare to improve themselves is plain daft.
Shiny offices provide places in which to get a job and earn money. Money to buy your litter of offspring (which you couldn't afford to support before getting said job) new clothes and trainers!
Dare one of those offspring to get themself a job and a luxury apartment and new car sometime in the future - the traitor!
"The people" = "The poor" is rubbish. The real people are those who try to make something of their life and improve the lot of others.
The Missing City wrote:
allan wrote:
it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
Cutbacks, penny picnhing, negativity and deprivation - all factors associated with Glasgow being the Cow's tail.
I've never known a city to have been ripped apart and depleted the way Glasgow was, and in may ways, it still remains depleted in many respects. Cities in the former West Germany were bombed (Cologne was one of the worst hit) they rebuilt and they are far more advanced than us, and Germany hardly did any damage to Glasgow - amazing yet something that should make everybody's blood boil
Glasgow is two Cities converged as one
The one for the rich - Shiny Office blocks, luxury apartments, fancy car, expensive clothes and lavish restaurants
The one for the poor - DWP Office or some freezing factory scraping by on the minimum wage (possibly supporting a family of 4 kids - no wonder its more economical to be on benefit) - a damp house or an identikit plot which is made of cardboard, second hand banger or crap bus, Primark and the greasy spoon.
And to think media have slagged us off and through the years it has been proven that they are too thick and ignorant to attack the root causes rather than slag off its people.
The whole thing is disgusting!
Agreed that Glasgow's had a rather unfair deal over the years - it's prominant position eroded by politicians afraid of the power the city yielded, and the depletion of the traditional industries which made Glasgow strong. Coupled with a chronic lack of investment.
But you can't look to the past forever and dwell in rose-tinted nostalgia and self pity!
The 2-tier city analogy is rubbish - it's not a case of black and white, there's a sliding scale of wealth just like any large town or city anywhere. And that Scot's trait of looking down on those who are successful or dare to improve themselves is plain daft.
Shiny offices provide places in which to get a job and earn money. Money to buy your litter of offspring (which you couldn't afford to support before getting said job) new clothes and trainers!
Dare one of those offspring to get themself a job and a luxury apartment and new car sometime in the future - the traitor!
"The people" = "The poor" is rubbish. The real people are those who try to make something of their life and improve the lot of others.
Posted by: Judas, Glasgow on 1:09pm Mon 21 Jan 08
This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly.
I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route:
[bold][url]http://urbanglasgow.
co.uk/about451.html[/url][/bold]
This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly.
I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route:
http://urbanglasgow.
co.uk/about451.html
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:11pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]allan[/bold] wrote: it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind[/quote] Cutbacks, penny picnhing, negativity and deprivation - all factors associated with Glasgow being the Cow's tail. I've never known a city to have been ripped apart and depleted the way Glasgow was, and in may ways, it still remains depleted in many respects. Cities in the former West Germany were bombed (Cologne was one of the worst hit) they rebuilt and they are far more advanced than us, and Germany hardly did any damage to Glasgow - amazing yet something that should make everybody's blood boil [bold]Glasgow is two Cities converged as one[/bold] The one for the rich - Shiny Office blocks, luxury apartments, fancy car, expensive clothes and lavish restaurants The one for the poor - DWP Office or some freezing factory scraping by on the minimum wage (possibly supporting a family of 4 kids - no wonder its more economical to be on benefit) - a damp house or an identikit plot which is made of cardboard, second hand banger or crap bus, Primark and the greasy spoon. And to think media have slagged us off and through the years it has been proven that they are too thick and ignorant to attack the root causes rather than slag off its people. The whole thing is disgusting! [/quote] Agreed that Glasgow's had a rather unfair deal over the years - it's prominant position eroded by politicians afraid of the power the city yielded, and the depletion of the traditional industries which made Glasgow strong. Coupled with a chronic lack of investment. But you can't look to the past forever and dwell in rose-tinted nostalgia and self pity! The 2-tier city analogy is rubbish - it's not a case of black and white, there's a sliding scale of wealth just like any large town or city anywhere. And that Scot's trait of looking down on those who are successful or dare to improve themselves is plain daft. Shiny offices provide places in which to get a job and earn money. Money to buy your litter of offspring (which you couldn't afford to support before getting said job) new clothes and trainers! Dare one of those offspring to get themself a job and a luxury apartment and new car sometime in the future - the traitor! "The people" = "The poor" is rubbish. The real people are those who try to make something of their life and improve the lot of others. [/quote] Marty, you completely missed my point, do believe I'm the sort who wishes that the place continues to fester in impoverished conditions?
Go look at the back streets of Maryhill, Possil & Springburn - even Govan and Parkhead and tell me that the poverty thing is a load of rubbish - I dare you - even better!
[bold]It's all about everybody being entitled to the same as each other, but that ain't going to happen and that was my point, I'm glad you never noticed that and that I had to correct your failings here![/bold]
So typical of those who choose to jump on the Purcell bandwagon, little wonder we are in a mess!
Glasgow functioned better a s a city not too long ago for your information, if you think this place is ok now, you ought to get your head out the sand - all I see is stress and people acting like Londoners!
marty wrote:
The Missing City wrote: allan wrote: it was exactly the same here in brisbane. south side trains terminated one side of city north side the other side but state gov put a stop to that madness and built a bridge melbourne was like glasgow a tram car city and today its still a tram city fabulous tram net work the city has all single deckers no conductors you pay into ticket machine inside the tram but it seems glasgow remains the cows tail. always behind
Cutbacks, penny picnhing, negativity and deprivation - all factors associated with Glasgow being the Cow's tail. I've never known a city to have been ripped apart and depleted the way Glasgow was, and in may ways, it still remains depleted in many respects. Cities in the former West Germany were bombed (Cologne was one of the worst hit) they rebuilt and they are far more advanced than us, and Germany hardly did any damage to Glasgow - amazing yet something that should make everybody's blood boil Glasgow is two Cities converged as one The one for the rich - Shiny Office blocks, luxury apartments, fancy car, expensive clothes and lavish restaurants The one for the poor - DWP Office or some freezing factory scraping by on the minimum wage (possibly supporting a family of 4 kids - no wonder its more economical to be on benefit) - a damp house or an identikit plot which is made of cardboard, second hand banger or crap bus, Primark and the greasy spoon. And to think media have slagged us off and through the years it has been proven that they are too thick and ignorant to attack the root causes rather than slag off its people. The whole thing is disgusting!
Agreed that Glasgow's had a rather unfair deal over the years - it's prominant position eroded by politicians afraid of the power the city yielded, and the depletion of the traditional industries which made Glasgow strong. Coupled with a chronic lack of investment. But you can't look to the past forever and dwell in rose-tinted nostalgia and self pity! The 2-tier city analogy is rubbish - it's not a case of black and white, there's a sliding scale of wealth just like any large town or city anywhere. And that Scot's trait of looking down on those who are successful or dare to improve themselves is plain daft. Shiny offices provide places in which to get a job and earn money. Money to buy your litter of offspring (which you couldn't afford to support before getting said job) new clothes and trainers! Dare one of those offspring to get themself a job and a luxury apartment and new car sometime in the future - the traitor! "The people" = "The poor" is rubbish. The real people are those who try to make something of their life and improve the lot of others.
Marty, you completely missed my point, do believe I'm the sort who wishes that the place continues to fester in impoverished conditions?
Go look at the back streets of Maryhill, Possil & Springburn - even Govan and Parkhead and tell me that the poverty thing is a load of rubbish - I dare you - even better!
It's all about everybody being entitled to the same as each other, but that ain't going to happen and that was my point, I'm glad you never noticed that and that I had to correct your failings here!
So typical of those who choose to jump on the Purcell bandwagon, little wonder we are in a mess!
Glasgow functioned better a s a city not too long ago for your information, if you think this place is ok now, you ought to get your head out the sand - all I see is stress and people acting like Londoners!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:12pm Mon 21 Jan 08
In fact, I'll go one further and say that my eyes and my stomach doesn't know what country it's in anymore - is that rubbish too???
In fact, I'll go one further and say that my eyes and my stomach doesn't know what country it's in anymore - is that rubbish too???
Posted by: aunt sally, glasgow on 2:17pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
On that note, there should be no more delay, after waiting 30 years or so since the idea was first suggested when the Argyle line was first being developed, this line should have been developed as well. Just shows in between **** politics and cutbacks, it takes more time to actually see things in reality, but this is Glasgow, normally when an idea is first mooted, it usually takes 40 years before it becomes reality. Also interesting to note that Glasgow Corporation back in 1951 was desperate to get rid of the integrated tram network because it held up car traffic in the city and they believed it was an embarrassing part of the city's transport system. Just another example of the short sightedness that controls us, no wonder people today are so negative and backward. [italic]The above reference was written by Charles A. Oakley - 1962[/italic] [/quote] Delay !! hello thats what scotrail is alllll about !!
The Missing City wrote:
On that note, there should be no more delay, after waiting 30 years or so since the idea was first suggested when the Argyle line was first being developed, this line should have been developed as well. Just shows in between **** politics and cutbacks, it takes more time to actually see things in reality, but this is Glasgow, normally when an idea is first mooted, it usually takes 40 years before it becomes reality. Also interesting to note that Glasgow Corporation back in 1951 was desperate to get rid of the integrated tram network because it held up car traffic in the city and they believed it was an embarrassing part of the city's transport system. Just another example of the short sightedness that controls us, no wonder people today are so negative and backward. The above reference was written by Charles A. Oakley - 1962
Delay !! hello thats what scotrail is alllll about !!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:24pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Judas[/bold] wrote:
This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly. I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route: [bold][url]http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about451.html[/url][/bold] [/quote] Yes an ambitious plan which never got off the ground much like the Strathclyde Tram project from a couple of years earlier, wonder why?
Hmmmm - Conservatives running the show perhaps? At that time, it was more important for John Major to be discussing family values with Edwina Currie rather than inject cash from his rich English constituents to sort the infrastructure in Scotland's largest city that his predecessors happily disassembled.
Scotland's largest city - that could be a title going to Edinburgh as a result of losing 700,000 Glasgow folk over the past 6 decades!
CHEERS!
Judas wrote:
This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly. I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route: http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about451.html
Yes an ambitious plan which never got off the ground much like the Strathclyde Tram project from a couple of years earlier, wonder why?
Hmmmm - Conservatives running the show perhaps? At that time, it was more important for John Major to be discussing family values with Edwina Currie rather than inject cash from his rich English constituents to sort the infrastructure in Scotland's largest city that his predecessors happily disassembled.
Scotland's largest city - that could be a title going to Edinburgh as a result of losing 700,000 Glasgow folk over the past 6 decades!
CHEERS!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:29pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]aunt sally[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: On that note, there should be no more delay, after waiting 30 years or so since the idea was first suggested when the Argyle line was first being developed, this line should have been developed as well. Just shows in between **** politics and cutbacks, it takes more time to actually see things in reality, but this is Glasgow, normally when an idea is first mooted, it usually takes 40 years before it becomes reality. Also interesting to note that Glasgow Corporation back in 1951 was desperate to get rid of the integrated tram network because it held up car traffic in the city and they believed it was an embarrassing part of the city's transport system. Just another example of the short sightedness that controls us, no wonder people today are so negative and backward. [italic]The above reference was written by Charles A. Oakley - 1962[/italic] [/quote] Delay !! hello thats what scotrail is alllll about !![/quote] Aunt Swally - Scotrail do not have power to do these things, they only have a licence to run trains and if you noticed last week, it was Network Rial who is supposed to be getting fined while Scorail gewts compensated
Come on, thought you were smarter than that, or was just a front?
aunt sally wrote:
The Missing City wrote: On that note, there should be no more delay, after waiting 30 years or so since the idea was first suggested when the Argyle line was first being developed, this line should have been developed as well. Just shows in between **** politics and cutbacks, it takes more time to actually see things in reality, but this is Glasgow, normally when an idea is first mooted, it usually takes 40 years before it becomes reality. Also interesting to note that Glasgow Corporation back in 1951 was desperate to get rid of the integrated tram network because it held up car traffic in the city and they believed it was an embarrassing part of the city's transport system. Just another example of the short sightedness that controls us, no wonder people today are so negative and backward. The above reference was written by Charles A. Oakley - 1962
Delay !! hello thats what scotrail is alllll about !!
Aunt Swally - Scotrail do not have power to do these things, they only have a licence to run trains and if you noticed last week, it was Network Rial who is supposed to be getting fined while Scorail gewts compensated
Come on, thought you were smarter than that, or was just a front?
Posted by: aunt sally, glasgow on 2:37pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Do you really think I pay attention to all this train rubbish? I get the bus !!
scotrail and network rail, its all about the rail !! however its delays with everything
i was at falkirk high last night luckily going to glasgow coz if i was going to edinburgh I would have had to have got the bus !!
Cant they do anything right ??
i think we should get a reduction on travel because the trains dont run or a new one, oh the bus isnt going down this street tonight !!
wtf !
Do you really think I pay attention to all this train rubbish? I get the bus !!
scotrail and network rail, its all about the rail !! however its delays with everything
i was at falkirk high last night luckily going to glasgow coz if i was going to edinburgh I would have had to have got the bus !!
Cant they do anything right ??
i think we should get a reduction on travel because the trains dont run or a new one, oh the bus isnt going down this street tonight !!
wtf !
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Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:03pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]aunt sally[/bold] wrote:
Do you really think I pay attention to all this train rubbish? I get the bus !! scotrail and network rail, its all about the rail !! however its delays with everything i was at falkirk high last night luckily going to glasgow coz if i was going to edinburgh I would have had to have got the bus !! Cant they do anything right ?? i think we should get a reduction on travel because the trains dont run or a new one, oh the bus isnt going down this street tonight !! wtf ![/quote] Well I did say last week about being in Europe and how I was away in 2006 for over a month and everything was brilliant, no hold ups, no delays, no crap whatsoever.
But then I fly back into Jockland and the whole place is in meltdown - not bad for a Sunday in the middle of October.... still, your comment I agree with when it comes to public transport - they cannot do anything right, it seems the further forward we move in time, the more backward these people will become - I don't know if its a virus or just a blip, but it doesn't do the public any favours - look at housing and communities, worse than what they ever were, even if Oscar Mazarolli got some brilliant pictures even though people were skint, people remained happy.
Not like that now, and I'm not saying we should go back to that either, but I've already spoke about that on here as well with regards to the Queen El;izabeth Square and the shady Cumberland Arcade compared to its predeccessor, for which it still remains in some parts of Glasgow!
aunt sally wrote:
Do you really think I pay attention to all this train rubbish? I get the bus !! scotrail and network rail, its all about the rail !! however its delays with everything i was at falkirk high last night luckily going to glasgow coz if i was going to edinburgh I would have had to have got the bus !! Cant they do anything right ?? i think we should get a reduction on travel because the trains dont run or a new one, oh the bus isnt going down this street tonight !! wtf !
Well I did say last week about being in Europe and how I was away in 2006 for over a month and everything was brilliant, no hold ups, no delays, no crap whatsoever.
But then I fly back into Jockland and the whole place is in meltdown - not bad for a Sunday in the middle of October.... still, your comment I agree with when it comes to public transport - they cannot do anything right, it seems the further forward we move in time, the more backward these people will become - I don't know if its a virus or just a blip, but it doesn't do the public any favours - look at housing and communities, worse than what they ever were, even if Oscar Mazarolli got some brilliant pictures even though people were skint, people remained happy.
Not like that now, and I'm not saying we should go back to that either, but I've already spoke about that on here as well with regards to the Queen El;izabeth Square and the shady Cumberland Arcade compared to its predeccessor, for which it still remains in some parts of Glasgow!
Posted by: smarticus, Glasgow on 3:24pm Mon 21 Jan 08
If this project ever gets off the ground heres hoping that SPT ensure that they don`t use the same contractors that recently shut Central Station for weeks instead of a few days over the festive season. If they use these companies again there is no chance of it being open by 2014 more likely to be 2020.
If this project ever gets off the ground heres hoping that SPT ensure that they don`t use the same contractors that recently shut Central Station for weeks instead of a few days over the festive season. If they use these companies again there is no chance of it being open by 2014 more likely to be 2020.
Posted by: Judas, Glasgow on 3:52pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Judas[/bold] wrote:
This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly. I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route: [bold][url]http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about451.html[/url][/bold] [/quote] Yes an ambitious plan which never got off the ground much like the Strathclyde Tram project from a couple of years earlier, wonder why?
Hmmmm - Conservatives running the show perhaps? At that time, it was more important for John Major to be discussing family values with Edwina Currie rather than inject cash from his rich English constituents to sort the infrastructure in Scotland's largest city that his predecessors happily disassembled.
Scotland's largest city - that could be a title going to Edinburgh as a result of losing 700,000 Glasgow folk over the past 6 decades!
CHEERS![/quote] Found this tae!
[bold]http://urbanglasgow.
co.uk/about456.html[/bold]
The Missing City wrote:
Judas wrote:
This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly. I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route: http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about451.html
Yes an ambitious plan which never got off the ground much like the Strathclyde Tram project from a couple of years earlier, wonder why?
Hmmmm - Conservatives running the show perhaps? At that time, it was more important for John Major to be discussing family values with Edwina Currie rather than inject cash from his rich English constituents to sort the infrastructure in Scotland's largest city that his predecessors happily disassembled.
Scotland's largest city - that could be a title going to Edinburgh as a result of losing 700,000 Glasgow folk over the past 6 decades!
CHEERS!
Found this tae!
http://urbanglasgow.
co.uk/about456.html
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:22pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Goodness me The Missing City is on his high horse today!
Go drink that glass half full TMC!
Goodness me The Missing City is on his high horse today!
Go drink that glass half full TMC!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:27pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Judas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Judas[/bold] wrote: This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly. I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route: [bold][url]http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about451.html[/url][/bold] [/quote] Yes an ambitious plan which never got off the ground much like the Strathclyde Tram project from a couple of years earlier, wonder why? Hmmmm - Conservatives running the show perhaps? At that time, it was more important for John Major to be discussing family values with Edwina Currie rather than inject cash from his rich English constituents to sort the infrastructure in Scotland's largest city that his predecessors happily disassembled. Scotland's largest city - that could be a title going to Edinburgh as a result of losing 700,000 Glasgow folk over the past 6 decades! CHEERS![/quote] Found this tae! [bold]http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about456.html[/bold] [/quote] Aye, the very puppy Judas - Charles Gordon has a very shady looking hairdo as well as wearing thae shifty gangster style specs (Minus the candy apple colour of the lenses)
Mind you, it seems a bit late for 1994, I was living in a place called Shettleston, but I had the whole info pack before then - I'm still positive it was 1992 with the Crossrail new proposal but never got off the ground - there's a surprise, leaflet being issued in 1994.
A lot has happened in a few years, I even have the prosal by SRC Roads department for the M74 expansion - that must have been 1992 as well
Jesus Judas, I think I've got an archive - books reports, leaflets, photographs - think I'll be donating them to the Transport Museum.
Oops forgot, they will be moving into new premises soon so it may as well all go in the bin - no use to me, not as if I'm going to get any kind of job in that line of work - my city tells me I'm only worth £6.00 per hour - not bad for a **** called a graduate - I should have been more like my mate - never went to school and has a job that pays him £19,000 per year!
Being good never brings you any favours, judges, police and politicians and those in positions of responsibility will testify to that!
Judas wrote:
The Missing City wrote: Judas wrote: This 'Crossrail' plan has been spoken about since St Enoch closed! I hope it happens but I'll believe it when I see it, frankly. I found this, which shows the plans from 1994 and uses a slightly different route: http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about451.html
Yes an ambitious plan which never got off the ground much like the Strathclyde Tram project from a couple of years earlier, wonder why? Hmmmm - Conservatives running the show perhaps? At that time, it was more important for John Major to be discussing family values with Edwina Currie rather than inject cash from his rich English constituents to sort the infrastructure in Scotland's largest city that his predecessors happily disassembled. Scotland's largest city - that could be a title going to Edinburgh as a result of losing 700,000 Glasgow folk over the past 6 decades! CHEERS!
Found this tae! http://urbanglasgow. co.uk/about456.html
Aye, the very puppy Judas - Charles Gordon has a very shady looking hairdo as well as wearing thae shifty gangster style specs (Minus the candy apple colour of the lenses)
Mind you, it seems a bit late for 1994, I was living in a place called Shettleston, but I had the whole info pack before then - I'm still positive it was 1992 with the Crossrail new proposal but never got off the ground - there's a surprise, leaflet being issued in 1994.
A lot has happened in a few years, I even have the prosal by SRC Roads department for the M74 expansion - that must have been 1992 as well
Jesus Judas, I think I've got an archive - books reports, leaflets, photographs - think I'll be donating them to the Transport Museum.
Oops forgot, they will be moving into new premises soon so it may as well all go in the bin - no use to me, not as if I'm going to get any kind of job in that line of work - my city tells me I'm only worth £6.00 per hour - not bad for a **** called a graduate - I should have been more like my mate - never went to school and has a job that pays him £19,000 per year!
Being good never brings you any favours, judges, police and politicians and those in positions of responsibility will testify to that!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:35pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
Goodness me The Missing City is on his high horse today! Go drink that glass half full TMC![/quote] The only thing I've seen on a high horse is King William III of Orange, except when a copper is on his high horse - which isn't very often!
Champion was a wonder horse, but I don't think it was High - mind you, that could explain why the horse behaved so well and was unlike other horses
And then you have Mr Ed the talking horse - he was probably spiked with drugs to make him talk on TV - terrible those 1950's American TV producers, they would do anything for the sake of entertainment!
Ian wrote:
Goodness me The Missing City is on his high horse today! Go drink that glass half full TMC!
The only thing I've seen on a high horse is King William III of Orange, except when a copper is on his high horse - which isn't very often!
Champion was a wonder horse, but I don't think it was High - mind you, that could explain why the horse behaved so well and was unlike other horses
And then you have Mr Ed the talking horse - he was probably spiked with drugs to make him talk on TV - terrible those 1950's American TV producers, they would do anything for the sake of entertainment!
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:37pm Mon 21 Jan 08
I bet your throat is all ho(a)rse with your ranting ;)
I bet your throat is all ho(a)rse with your ranting ;)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:48pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
I bet your throat is all ho(a)rse with your ranting ;)[/quote] Naa sore bloody fingers because I'm typing away like a mad receptionist coming down off fast drugs from the weekend!
Am I stereotyping all those pretty well dressed ladies as if they lead a double life at the weekends?
Gosh, one is terrible!
Have a nice evening - stay away from prozzies and if you see a moving train - don't jump in front of it, get a photo for the Evening Times, it may well be considered a rare event you are witnessing for which you could be handsomely paid!
Ian wrote:
I bet your throat is all ho(a)rse with your ranting ;)
Naa sore bloody fingers because I'm typing away like a mad receptionist coming down off fast drugs from the weekend!
Am I stereotyping all those pretty well dressed ladies as if they lead a double life at the weekends?
Gosh, one is terrible!
Have a nice evening - stay away from prozzies and if you see a moving train - don't jump in front of it, get a photo for the Evening Times, it may well be considered a rare event you are witnessing for which you could be handsomely paid!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:49pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: I bet your throat is all ho(a)rse with your ranting ;)[/quote] Naa sore bloody fingers because I'm typing away like a mad receptionist coming down off fast drugs from the weekend! Am I stereotyping all those pretty well dressed ladies as if they lead a double life at the weekends? Gosh, one is terrible! Have a nice evening - stay away from prozzies and if you see a moving train - don't jump in front of it, get a photo for the Evening Times, it may well be considered a rare event you are witnessing for which you could be handsomely paid![/quote] Fast drugs, could they also be horse tranquilisers?
The Missing City wrote:
Ian wrote: I bet your throat is all ho(a)rse with your ranting ;)
Naa sore bloody fingers because I'm typing away like a mad receptionist coming down off fast drugs from the weekend! Am I stereotyping all those pretty well dressed ladies as if they lead a double life at the weekends? Gosh, one is terrible! Have a nice evening - stay away from prozzies and if you see a moving train - don't jump in front of it, get a photo for the Evening Times, it may well be considered a rare event you are witnessing for which you could be handsomely paid!
Fast drugs, could they also be horse tranquilisers?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:51pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: Goodness me The Missing City is on his high horse today! Go drink that glass half full TMC![/quote] The only thing I've seen on a high horse is King William III of Orange, except when a copper is on his high horse - which isn't very often! Champion was a wonder horse, but I don't think it was High - mind you, that could explain why the horse behaved so well and was unlike other horses And then you have Mr Ed the talking horse - he was probably spiked with drugs to make him talk on TV - terrible those 1950's American TV producers, they would do anything for the sake of entertainment! [/quote] Whoops, who could forget that lunatic from the asylum who was also on his high horse (and still is)
[bold]THE BAMPOT DUKE OF WELLINGTON![/bold]
The Missing City wrote:
Ian wrote: Goodness me The Missing City is on his high horse today! Go drink that glass half full TMC!
The only thing I've seen on a high horse is King William III of Orange, except when a copper is on his high horse - which isn't very often! Champion was a wonder horse, but I don't think it was High - mind you, that could explain why the horse behaved so well and was unlike other horses And then you have Mr Ed the talking horse - he was probably spiked with drugs to make him talk on TV - terrible those 1950's American TV producers, they would do anything for the sake of entertainment!
Whoops, who could forget that lunatic from the asylum who was also on his high horse (and still is)
THE BAMPOT DUKE OF WELLINGTON! Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 6:36pm Tue 22 Jan 08
=DO- "JUST DO IT"
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