Posted by: TICL, Glasgow on 10:52am Wed 23 Jan 08
A wonderful, spectacular, extraordinary meeting. The Council were routed by sheer overwhelming people power!
Sadly, the contempt shown by Messrs. Robert Booth and Stephen Curran to the people of Glasgow was truly shocking. Democracy in action is too much for them to handle.
A wonderful, spectacular, extraordinary meeting. The Council were routed by sheer overwhelming people power!
Sadly, the contempt shown by Messrs. Robert Booth and Stephen Curran to the people of Glasgow was truly shocking. Democracy in action is too much for them to handle.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 11:03am Wed 23 Jan 08
That picture of Chick Young - he looks like he's judging a Chick Young lookalike contest...
That picture of Chick Young - he looks like he's judging a Chick Young lookalike contest...
Posted by: AndrewM, Shawlands, Glasgow on 11:10am Wed 23 Jan 08
I couldn't believe the turnout at the meeting. The great disappointment was that in the face of such strong opposition the Council are steadfast in their refusal to re-run the consultation exercise that so many people didn't seem to know anything about. I don’t know what the Council have to loose by having an open and well publicised consultation process.
Rober Booth made a valid point that people objected to the kids playground, the Burrell Collection and the mountain bike course. The response that these are all free misses the more valid point that the level of opposition here is overwhelming. The Council and especially the elected members need to be very careful about showing such contempt for the public.
I couldn't believe the turnout at the meeting. The great disappointment was that in the face of such strong opposition the Council are steadfast in their refusal to re-run the consultation exercise that so many people didn't seem to know anything about. I don’t know what the Council have to loose by having an open and well publicised consultation process.
Rober Booth made a valid point that people objected to the kids playground, the Burrell Collection and the mountain bike course. The response that these are all free misses the more valid point that the level of opposition here is overwhelming. The Council and especially the elected members need to be very careful about showing such contempt for the public.
Posted by: Gary-bhoy, Mosspark on 11:11am Wed 23 Jan 08
hahaha he so does no doubt he will win tho..
hahaha he so does no doubt he will win tho..
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:13am Wed 23 Jan 08
The incompetence of Robert Booth is astonishing. where an MSP tells him that he has done a woefully inadequate job over the consultation and he pretends that he has done his job is nutty. Booth's actions need to be scrutinised leagally here. He has broken his own rules over the consultation. How can asking the opinons have secondary school children count towards the consultation. He has acted illegally and needs to be sacked.
The incompetence of Robert Booth is astonishing. where an MSP tells him that he has done a woefully inadequate job over the consultation and he pretends that he has done his job is nutty. Booth's actions need to be scrutinised leagally here. He has broken his own rules over the consultation. How can asking the opinons have secondary school children count towards the consultation. He has acted illegally and needs to be sacked.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:23am Wed 23 Jan 08
One for Chick Young:
[quote]"[bold]Sir William Gray, Dame Jean Roberts, Michael Kelly, Pat Lally, Alex Mosson, Liz Cameron, Robert Winter -- we have beaten them all. We have beaten them all. Steven Purcell can you hear me?
Steven Purcell, I have a message for your next election campaign. I have a message to you: We have booted your Go Ape out of Pollok Park. Steven Purcell, as they say in your language in boxing bars around Madison Square Garden in New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating![/bold]"[/quote]
One for Chick Young:
"Sir William Gray, Dame Jean Roberts, Michael Kelly, Pat Lally, Alex Mosson, Liz Cameron, Robert Winter -- we have beaten them all. We have beaten them all. Steven Purcell can you hear me?
Steven Purcell, I have a message for your next election campaign. I have a message to you: We have booted your Go Ape out of Pollok Park. Steven Purcell, as they say in your language in boxing bars around Madison Square Garden in New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"
Posted by: CT, Glasgow on 11:30am Wed 23 Jan 08
Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.
Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow. on 11:35am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
The incompetence of Robert Booth is astonishing. where an MSP tells him that he has done a woefully inadequate job over the consultation and he pretends that he has done his job is nutty. Booth's actions need to be scrutinised leagally here. He has broken his own rules over the consultation. How can asking the opinons have secondary school children count towards the consultation. He has acted illegally and needs to be sacked.[/quote]
High praise indeed for all those who attended this Public Meeting and put the Council Officials to shame, as well as raising the clear issue that Robert Booth is clearly out of line in his actions.
He may well wish to carry out the Consultation Exercise - AGAIN - What he fails to realise is that those who were as apathetic the last time, could be just as apatheric this time.
And, more often than not - only those who are the most ardent, and passionate about their cause are the ones who send back their objections, write to their Councillors, or MSP's and generally are the most pro - active.
I wish all those on the committee or steering group of The "Save Pollok Park" (from "Go Ape!) the best of luck in their fight!
This is indeed as TICL said, about "People Power!" and if Glasgow City Council fails to listen to the voices of these 500 people, possibly more - (i.e those who couldn't attend.) it is failing the electorate at its most basic and fundamental level.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE - AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN - THE ELECTORATE MUST BE HEARD & LISTENED TO.
Meep wrote:
The incompetence of Robert Booth is astonishing. where an MSP tells him that he has done a woefully inadequate job over the consultation and he pretends that he has done his job is nutty. Booth's actions need to be scrutinised leagally here. He has broken his own rules over the consultation. How can asking the opinons have secondary school children count towards the consultation. He has acted illegally and needs to be sacked.
High praise indeed for all those who attended this Public Meeting and put the Council Officials to shame, as well as raising the clear issue that Robert Booth is clearly out of line in his actions.
He may well wish to carry out the Consultation Exercise - AGAIN - What he fails to realise is that those who were as apathetic the last time, could be just as apatheric this time.
And, more often than not - only those who are the most ardent, and passionate about their cause are the ones who send back their objections, write to their Councillors, or MSP's and generally are the most pro - active.
I wish all those on the committee or steering group of The "Save Pollok Park" (from "Go Ape!) the best of luck in their fight!
This is indeed as TICL said, about "People Power!" and if Glasgow City Council fails to listen to the voices of these 500 people, possibly more - (i.e those who couldn't attend.) it is failing the electorate at its most basic and fundamental level.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE - AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN - THE ELECTORATE MUST BE HEARD & LISTENED TO.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 11:36am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
The incompetence of Robert Booth is astonishing. where an MSP tells him that he has done a woefully inadequate job over the consultation and he pretends that he has done his job is nutty. Booth's actions need to be scrutinised leagally here. He has broken his own rules over the consultation. How can asking the opinons have secondary school children count towards the consultation. He has acted illegally and needs to be sacked.[/quote] Although not at the meeting last night I gather from the save the park web-site,that protesters would have been better talking to the two lions in George square,Mr booth has shown arrogance, and the way in which the consultation was carried out shows the contempt he has for the citizens of this city
Meep wrote:
The incompetence of Robert Booth is astonishing. where an MSP tells him that he has done a woefully inadequate job over the consultation and he pretends that he has done his job is nutty. Booth's actions need to be scrutinised leagally here. He has broken his own rules over the consultation. How can asking the opinons have secondary school children count towards the consultation. He has acted illegally and needs to be sacked.
Although not at the meeting last night I gather from the save the park web-site,that protesters would have been better talking to the two lions in George square,Mr booth has shown arrogance, and the way in which the consultation was carried out shows the contempt he has for the citizens of this city
Posted by: Forbes Aiken, Glasgow on 11:40am Wed 23 Jan 08
Is this the same Glasgow City Council that gave us the refurbished Kelvingrove? The same Parks Dep't under whose management and planned developmnt Pollok Park was given the accolade as the Best in Britain? The same administration who, against international competition, won the Commonwealth Games for Glasgow?
Get a grip. Those who oppose this particular project have every right to be heard but it hardly helps the merits of the argument to gratuitously insult and impugn hard working officials and elected representatives.
Is this the same Glasgow City Council that gave us the refurbished Kelvingrove? The same Parks Dep't under whose management and planned developmnt Pollok Park was given the accolade as the Best in Britain? The same administration who, against international competition, won the Commonwealth Games for Glasgow?
Get a grip. Those who oppose this particular project have every right to be heard but it hardly helps the merits of the argument to gratuitously insult and impugn hard working officials and elected representatives.
Posted by: TICL, Glasgow on 11:47am Wed 23 Jan 08
Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters.
The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy.
Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians?
Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work.
[bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold]
Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters.
The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy.
Besides, in what possible way is charging
25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians?
Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work.
We were not consulted - we were insulted. Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:50am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote]Is this the same Glasgow City Council that gave us the refurbished Kelvingrove? The same Parks Dep't under whose management and planned developmnt Pollok Park was given the accolade as the Best in Britain? The same administration who, against international competition, won the Commonwealth Games for Glasgow?[/quote]
No, this is the same Glasgow City Council who just paid [bold]£5.5million[/bold] of public cash for a piece of dirt in Dalmarnock (which cost £45,000), just because they need it for the Diddy Games 2014!
Is this the same Glasgow City Council that gave us the refurbished Kelvingrove? The same Parks Dep't under whose management and planned developmnt Pollok Park was given the accolade as the Best in Britain? The same administration who, against international competition, won the Commonwealth Games for Glasgow?
No, this is the same Glasgow City Council who just paid
£5.5million of public cash for a piece of dirt in Dalmarnock (which cost £45,000), just because they need it for the Diddy Games 2014!
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 11:56am Wed 23 Jan 08
The right decision would be to leave Pollok Park as it is. It does not need the likes of this 'Go Ape attraction'.
Lets not forget, the mid-1990's seen Pollok Park ripped apart during construction of the M77 Motorway, now the park is really in Pollokshaws, with a small section on the western side of the motorway in Pollok.
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The right decision would be to leave Pollok Park as it is. It does not need the likes of this 'Go Ape attraction'.
Lets not forget, the mid-1990's seen Pollok Park ripped apart during construction of the M77 Motorway, now the park is really in Pollokshaws, with a small section on the western side of the motorway in Pollok.
Cut and paste to browser
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Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:15pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
One for Chick Young: [quote]"[bold]Sir William Gray, Dame Jean Roberts, Michael Kelly, Pat Lally, Alex Mosson, Liz Cameron, Robert Winter -- we have beaten them all. We have beaten them all. Steven Purcell can you hear me? Steven Purcell, I have a message for your next election campaign. I have a message to you: We have booted your Go Ape out of Pollok Park. Steven Purcell, as they say in your language in boxing bars around Madison Square Garden in New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating![/bold]"[/quote] [/quote] Sydney, you're going back a stretch or two there with the William Gray and Jean Roberts stuff - pure 1960's 70's. - I've got a film of William Gray along with Willie Waddell and Jock Stein on my Space - a fantastic time piece of Glasgow from the year I was born - 1974
But yes, the council does not give a stuff what people think, this is plainly obvious with what went on here last night - if the people say something, the coluncil will say the exact opposite, so the only way to curb this is to remove the stinking and rather devious Labour Party once and for all, so the re will be no more jobs for the boys, no more cliques etc
If last night was not a clear indicator for change, then I can only guess that some people will still choose to have their heads stuck up their backsides!
[bold]Just shows you though that the people on here have been correct all along![/bold]
[bold]Well done to most (but not all) posters on the ET site - you know who you are! ;-)[/bold]
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
One for Chick Young: "Sir William Gray, Dame Jean Roberts, Michael Kelly, Pat Lally, Alex Mosson, Liz Cameron, Robert Winter -- we have beaten them all. We have beaten them all. Steven Purcell can you hear me? Steven Purcell, I have a message for your next election campaign. I have a message to you: We have booted your Go Ape out of Pollok Park. Steven Purcell, as they say in your language in boxing bars around Madison Square Garden in New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"
Sydney, you're going back a stretch or two there with the William Gray and Jean Roberts stuff - pure 1960's 70's. - I've got a film of William Gray along with Willie Waddell and Jock Stein on my Space - a fantastic time piece of Glasgow from the year I was born - 1974
But yes, the council does not give a stuff what people think, this is plainly obvious with what went on here last night - if the people say something, the coluncil will say the exact opposite, so the only way to curb this is to remove the stinking and rather devious Labour Party once and for all, so the re will be no more jobs for the boys, no more cliques etc
If last night was not a clear indicator for change, then I can only guess that some people will still choose to have their heads stuck up their backsides!
Just shows you though that the people on here have been correct all along!
Well done to most (but not all) posters on the ET site - you know who you are! ;-) Posted by: Eric Flack, Glasgow on 12:27pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Ruth Simpson and Chick Young argueing was amazing. Good for Mr Mayhew for putting forward his "Go Age" plans. But I feel sorry for the man. I dont think he expected that sort of meeting! Seems the City Council invited him to consider Dawsholm and other locations.
Ruth Simpson and Chick Young argueing was amazing. Good for Mr Mayhew for putting forward his "Go Age" plans. But I feel sorry for the man. I dont think he expected that sort of meeting! Seems the City Council invited him to consider Dawsholm and other locations.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:28pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]CT[/bold] wrote:
Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.[/quote] Spot on - the question has to be asked why a group of local residents without access to any public cash can do a far better job of informing the public than Glasgow City Council, given the publicly-funded budget and supposed expertise / professionalism of the latter?
This is not the first time this has happened. A couple of years ago a great many west end residents heard about the metered parking proposals [bold]for the first time[/bold] due to the work of a group of volunteers [bold]after[/bold] the Council's consultation process had ended.
CT wrote:
Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.
Spot on - the question has to be asked why a group of local residents without access to any public cash can do a far better job of informing the public than Glasgow City Council, given the publicly-funded budget and supposed expertise / professionalism of the latter?
This is not the first time this has happened. A couple of years ago a great many west end residents heard about the metered parking proposals
for the first time due to the work of a group of volunteers
after the Council's consultation process had ended.
Posted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 12:37pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT
Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable.
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT
Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 12:48pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]CT[/bold] wrote: Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.[/quote] Spot on - the question has to be asked why a group of local residents without access to any public cash can do a far better job of informing the public than Glasgow City Council, given the publicly-funded budget and supposed expertise / professionalism of the latter? This is not the first time this has happened. A couple of years ago a great many west end residents heard about the metered parking proposals [bold]for the first time[/bold] due to the work of a group of volunteers [bold]after[/bold] the Council's consultation process had ended.[/quote] What is it that qualifies one to become a "glesga toon councillor?Is it having the skill to tell porkies with a straight face..either one! been able to slither away from criticism by blaming everyone else,been able to spout the councils commanandents No1.. you must ignore the wishes of your constituents""or do you just have to be a arrogant,a touch on the thick side and follow orders blindly,
mulross wrote:
CT wrote: Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.
Spot on - the question has to be asked why a group of local residents without access to any public cash can do a far better job of informing the public than Glasgow City Council, given the publicly-funded budget and supposed expertise / professionalism of the latter? This is not the first time this has happened. A couple of years ago a great many west end residents heard about the metered parking proposals for the first time due to the work of a group of volunteers after the Council's consultation process had ended.
What is it that qualifies one to become a "glesga toon councillor?Is it having the skill to tell porkies with a straight face..either one! been able to slither away from criticism by blaming everyone else,been able to spout the councils commanandents No1.. you must ignore the wishes of your constituents""or do you just have to be a arrogant,a touch on the thick side and follow orders blindly,
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:57pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote:
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable. [/quote] Roy, it isn't just about this park, it goes back in time with a whole load of issues, I'm sure older readers and posters such as Sydney Meriwether would be happy to provide a comprehensive list of mistakes and dumb arrogance by this lot.
[bold]In other words, what you say is that the public should just be taken for mugs and let this mob just walk over us - aye ok, they're just workers like the rest of us, however to abuse that and undermine the people you are elected to serve is not acceptable[/bold]
Roy Batty wrote:
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable.
Roy, it isn't just about this park, it goes back in time with a whole load of issues, I'm sure older readers and posters such as Sydney Meriwether would be happy to provide a comprehensive list of mistakes and dumb arrogance by this lot.
In other words, what you say is that the public should just be taken for mugs and let this mob just walk over us - aye ok, they're just workers like the rest of us, however to abuse that and undermine the people you are elected to serve is not acceptable Posted by: Ladofglas25, Glasgow on 12:59pm Wed 23 Jan 08
this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip!
this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip!
Posted by: R Gyle, Glasgow on 1:22pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[bold]An illuminating and costructive Meeting and I must give praise to the excellent presentation and composure of Tristram Mayhew in the face of such vociferous opposition. But if he should consider abandoning Pollok Park as a site for his otherwise commendable project I would suggest that it would not be the result of the overwhelming opposition, demonstrated at the Meeting, rather due to the concern that over the next 21 years he would have to deal with officious and devious clients characterised by the arrogant Mr Robert Booth, the fatuous Mr Stephen Curran, etc.[/bold]
An illuminating and costructive Meeting and I must give praise to the excellent presentation and composure of Tristram Mayhew in the face of such vociferous opposition. But if he should consider abandoning Pollok Park as a site for his otherwise commendable project I would suggest that it would not be the result of the overwhelming opposition, demonstrated at the Meeting, rather due to the concern that over the next 21 years he would have to deal with officious and devious clients characterised by the arrogant Mr Robert Booth, the fatuous Mr Stephen Curran, etc. Posted by: TICL, Glasgow on 1:26pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote:
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable. [/quote] Roy, not only is insulting paid Council Officers acceptable, but it should be actively encouraged!
This is particularly so where the Officer in question is an arrogant slime whose contempt for democratic opinion would be better suited to Soviet Russia than the modern south side of Glasgow.
Roy Batty wrote:
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable.
Roy, not only is insulting paid Council Officers acceptable, but it should be actively encouraged!
This is particularly so where the Officer in question is an arrogant slime whose contempt for democratic opinion would be better suited to Soviet Russia than the modern south side of Glasgow.
Posted by: teamdroid on 1:31pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote:
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT
Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable. [/quote] Roy, trying to paint this as Labour vs SNP is naive. The city council has multi-member ward now, so there are councillors from other parties who have Pollok Park in their area, and up to now, they haven't been too clever in opposing it. Sturgeon at the meeting last night didn't express outright opposition to the proposal - she merely asked for the consultation to be rerun.
Now go take your paranoia elsewhere, or we'll call in the Blade Runners.
Roy Batty wrote:
Here we go again...once more I smell a GNAT
Typical streetfighting of the political variety. If Glasgow was under SNP administration I just wonder how many of the posters here would take the same tak. Take note, I am not a Labour apologist, I just get rather bored by the 'strength of feeling' many of you have for 1% use of a park which will not impinge on the actual footprint of walkers and will provide a unique attraction to Glasgow. Taking issue with proposals is one thing, challenging elected members is another thing (both very legitimate) but insulting paid Council Officers is not acceptable.
Roy, trying to paint this as Labour vs SNP is naive. The city council has multi-member ward now, so there are councillors from other parties who have Pollok Park in their area, and up to now, they haven't been too clever in opposing it. Sturgeon at the meeting last night didn't express outright opposition to the proposal - she merely asked for the consultation to be rerun.
Now go take your paranoia elsewhere, or we'll call in the Blade Runners.
Posted by: AndrewM, Shawlands, Glasgow on 1:33pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]CT[/bold] wrote: Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.[/quote] Spot on - the question has to be asked why a group of local residents without access to any public cash can do a far better job of informing the public than Glasgow City Council, given the publicly-funded budget and supposed expertise / professionalism of the latter? This is not the first time this has happened. A couple of years ago a great many west end residents heard about the metered parking proposals [bold]for the first time[/bold] due to the work of a group of volunteers [bold]after[/bold] the Council's consultation process had ended.[/quote] Mulross, Mr Booth pointed out that his budget is £260m. What does £260m buy you ... the exact outcome from a public consultation that you wanted from the start.
mulross wrote:
CT wrote: Mr Booth's arrogance and inflexibility seem to demonstrate that he has no genuine interest in what the General Public think of this proposal ( or any others for that matter?). His hubristic stance revealed that he regards public consultation as little more than a meaningless chore.
Spot on - the question has to be asked why a group of local residents without access to any public cash can do a far better job of informing the public than Glasgow City Council, given the publicly-funded budget and supposed expertise / professionalism of the latter? This is not the first time this has happened. A couple of years ago a great many west end residents heard about the metered parking proposals for the first time due to the work of a group of volunteers after the Council's consultation process had ended.
Mulross, Mr Booth pointed out that his budget is £260m. What does £260m buy you ... the exact outcome from a public consultation that you wanted from the start.
Posted by: Seymour Hope, Glasgow on 1:37pm Wed 23 Jan 08
This issue is bigger than people think. Its about elected people running over the wishes of their electorate undermining democracy.
1. Will the park be improved by Go Ape? Probably not!
2. Will the majority of the people who already use the park for excercise benefit. Probably not!
3. Is £2000 per year to the Council (people of Glasgow ) worth it.
4. Will the sheds they propose in the park be Fireproof. Probably not.
5. Will people have a pee or worse behind a tree cause the toilets are to far away. probably!
This issue is bigger than people think. Its about elected people running over the wishes of their electorate undermining democracy.
1. Will the park be improved by Go Ape? Probably not!
2. Will the majority of the people who already use the park for excercise benefit. Probably not!
3. Is £2000 per year to the Council (people of Glasgow ) worth it.
4. Will the sheds they propose in the park be Fireproof. Probably not.
5. Will people have a pee or worse behind a tree cause the toilets are to far away. probably!
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 1:41pm Wed 23 Jan 08
The Labour Council will not back down in the face of some tin pot meeting. Labour stands for progress while the SNP just attach themselves to any passing band wagon.
The Labour Council will not back down in the face of some tin pot meeting. Labour stands for progress while the SNP just attach themselves to any passing band wagon.
Posted by: Paul from Langside, Glasgow on 1:42pm Wed 23 Jan 08
The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in).
Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message?
Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with
a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; [bold]one[/bold] historic wood [bold]must[/bold] be left in peace!
I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!!
The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think!
Paul
The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in).
Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message?
Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with
a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it;
one historic wood
must be left in peace!
I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!!
The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think!
Paul
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:50pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
The Labour Council will not back down in the face of some tin pot meeting. Labour stands for progress while the SNP just attach themselves to any passing band wagon.[/quote] [bold]Bammy Frank[/bold] says:
[bold]ZEEZ ARE ZHOUR ORDAHS![/bold]
[bold]YOU WILL DO AS LABOUR SAYS OR ZHOU VILL BE SHOT![/bold]
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate
Don't hinkso, know whit ah meen maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate?
Frank wrote:
The Labour Council will not back down in the face of some tin pot meeting. Labour stands for progress while the SNP just attach themselves to any passing band wagon.
Bammy Frank says:
ZEEZ ARE ZHOUR ORDAHS!
YOU WILL DO AS LABOUR SAYS OR ZHOU VILL BE SHOT!
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate
Don't hinkso, know whit ah meen maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate?
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 1:51pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Nicely said Paul.
I reckon Tristan from Go Ape! should withdraw his application and re-submit it so that a fresh consultation can take place with everyone with an interest in the park and it's future present.
It keeps with their good news regime and , if successful, will have the people of Glasgow behind it. If not, which is likely, it still shows that they consider the current users of environments they could develop's concerns and support democratic rule.
Win-Win if you ask me.
-Scott
Nicely said Paul.
I reckon Tristan from Go Ape! should withdraw his application and re-submit it so that a fresh consultation can take place with everyone with an interest in the park and it's future present.
It keeps with their good news regime and , if successful, will have the people of Glasgow behind it. If not, which is likely, it still shows that they consider the current users of environments they could develop's concerns and support democratic rule.
Win-Win if you ask me.
-Scott
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 1:55pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ladofglas25[/bold] wrote:
this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip![/quote] Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored.
It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?
Ladofglas25 wrote:
this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip!
Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored.
It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 2:16pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paul from Langside[/bold] wrote:
The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in). Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message? Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; [bold]one[/bold] historic wood [bold]must[/bold] be left in peace! I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!! The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think! Paul[/quote] Could you pass on a message to your councillor colleagues who on Friday will be endorsing the council decision to close all of glasgow's elderly care units, that they should have had the decency to consult the residents and staff before announcing to the media their plans, is this just another example of consultation as practised by G.C.C,If it is then shame on them.....
Paul from Langside wrote:
The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in). Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message? Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; one historic wood must be left in peace! I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!! The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think! Paul
Could you pass on a message to your councillor colleagues who on Friday will be endorsing the council decision to close all of glasgow's elderly care units, that they should have had the decency to consult the residents and staff before announcing to the media their plans, is this just another example of consultation as practised by G.C.C,If it is then shame on them.....
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 2:21pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paul from Langside[/bold] wrote:
The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in).
Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message?
Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with
a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; [bold]one[/bold] historic wood [bold]must[/bold] be left in peace!
I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!!
The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think!
Paul[/quote] Im a local resident (Pollokshaws) there has been NO information regarding this locally. Mr Curran stated it was in the Extra, i dont get that, unless you pick it up in the arcade or the library (and its mince anyway). The actions and words of the councillors last night was a disgrace and Cllr Simpson and her banshee act left me speechless.
As for people who moaned about the M77 - was there really a need to put it through a bit of the park? How many of us know about the full plans for the future extension of Silverburn too?
Paul from Langside wrote:
The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in).
Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message?
Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with
a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; one historic wood must be left in peace!
I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!!
The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think!
Paul
Im a local resident (Pollokshaws) there has been NO information regarding this locally. Mr Curran stated it was in the Extra, i dont get that, unless you pick it up in the arcade or the library (and its mince anyway). The actions and words of the councillors last night was a disgrace and Cllr Simpson and her banshee act left me speechless.
As for people who moaned about the M77 - was there really a need to put it through a bit of the park? How many of us know about the full plans for the future extension of Silverburn too?
Posted by: teamdroid on 2:44pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ladofglas25[/bold] wrote:
this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip![/quote] Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored.
It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?[/quote] Hmmm...how much do people get charged to use the Burrell or the M77, Pete? Not £45, that's for sure. As for "small", go look at a map of it...
Pete wrote:
Ladofglas25 wrote:
this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip!
Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored.
It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?
Hmmm...how much do people get charged to use the Burrell or the M77, Pete? Not £45, that's for sure. As for "small", go look at a map of it...
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:46pm Wed 23 Jan 08
There are some very pertinent points in the the follwing ET article from two years ago:
[bold]Article[/bold]:Firm bids to bring treetop asssault courses to city
[bold]Author[/bold]: Vivienne Nicoll
[bold]Date[/bold]: January 20th, 2006
[italic]Some extracts[/italic] :
[quote]Daredevils with a head for heights could soon be swinging through the treetops in three Glasgow parks.
Leisure bosses have been approached by an English company which wants to build aerial assault courses - 20ft up in the air - made up of a network of rope bridges, trapezes and death slides....
Councillors have backed the scheme and will now advertise for firms interested in designing, installing and operating the courses.
It is likely whoever is appointed will be expected to pay the council a percentage of the profits and to employ local people.
One firm, Go Ape, operates similar ventures across England.
Parks boss Kenny Boyle said he hoped the treetop adventure scheme could be installed in three city parks - [bold]possibly Pollok, Dawsholm and an east end park[/bold]...
Mr Boyle insisted there would be no damage to the trees and revealed the Forestry Commission has allowed similar aerial assault courses on their land.
He added: "[bold]Once we get a company in, we will get them to produce a presentation and they will then go out and talk to local groups to explain the project[/bold].
Leisure bosses believe Pollok Park, which already has attractions like the Burrell Collection, Pollok House, a mountain bike trail, sports facilities, a new children's playground and award-winning Highland cattle, would be ideal for the new attraction.
But Mr Boyle is also keen for a similar project to be created in Dawsholm Park which at the moment has few attractions.
It is also possible one of the assault courses could be set up in the east end although parks bosses say they will assess interest in the first venture before considering expanding it across the city.
It is hoped the first of the treetop assault courses will be open by summer next year.[/quote]
[italic]© Evening Times 2006.[/italic]
There are some very pertinent points in the the follwing ET article from two years ago:
Article:Firm bids to bring treetop asssault courses to city
Author: Vivienne Nicoll
Date: January 20th, 2006
Some extracts :
Daredevils with a head for heights could soon be swinging through the treetops in three Glasgow parks.
Leisure bosses have been approached by an English company which wants to build aerial assault courses - 20ft up in the air - made up of a network of rope bridges, trapezes and death slides....
Councillors have backed the scheme and will now advertise for firms interested in designing, installing and operating the courses.
It is likely whoever is appointed will be expected to pay the council a percentage of the profits and to employ local people.
One firm, Go Ape, operates similar ventures across England.
Parks boss Kenny Boyle said he hoped the treetop adventure scheme could be installed in three city parks - possibly Pollok, Dawsholm and an east end park...
Mr Boyle insisted there would be no damage to the trees and revealed the Forestry Commission has allowed similar aerial assault courses on their land.
He added: "Once we get a company in, we will get them to produce a presentation and they will then go out and talk to local groups to explain the project.
Leisure bosses believe Pollok Park, which already has attractions like the Burrell Collection, Pollok House, a mountain bike trail, sports facilities, a new children's playground and award-winning Highland cattle, would be ideal for the new attraction.
But Mr Boyle is also keen for a similar project to be created in Dawsholm Park which at the moment has few attractions.
It is also possible one of the assault courses could be set up in the east end although parks bosses say they will assess interest in the first venture before considering expanding it across the city.
It is hoped the first of the treetop assault courses will be open by summer next year.
© Evening Times 2006. Posted by: **** Toad, Location, Location on 2:48pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]emma[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paul from Langside[/bold] wrote: The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in). Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message? Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; [bold]one[/bold] historic wood [bold]must[/bold] be left in peace! I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!! The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think! Paul[/quote] Im a local resident (Pollokshaws) there has been NO information regarding this locally. Mr Curran stated it was in the Extra, i dont get that, unless you pick it up in the arcade or the library (and its mince anyway). The actions and words of the councillors last night was a disgrace and Cllr Simpson and her banshee act left me speechless. As for people who moaned about the M77 - was there really a need to put it through a bit of the park? How many of us know about the full plans for the future extension of Silverburn too?[/quote] The Extra's no mince.
emma wrote:
Paul from Langside wrote: The meeting was amazing. I'm one of the few councillors who has publically come out against the plan, I was proud of the number people present in that hall, 900 plus (legal maximum for the hall is 750 and people were standing in every space in the hall, and in the corridor and the car park not able to get in). Just because the value the (Labour) council and most of the SNP Cllrs attach to peace and quiet is zero, the rest of us do not have to agree. What a confrontation Nichola (SNP) v Colin (SNP)! How odd to me to have Executive members screaming at the audience of (750 - 1000?) that people had been adequately consulted. So - those in the room had clearly failed to take heed of the wonderful council consultation and will just have to suffer the consequences - is that the message? Go Ape seems a good company to me, and their other (out of town) courses look fun, but with a motorway on one side of the park; two big car parks within it; one historic wood must be left in peace! I believe Cllr Curran when he says a more extensive consultation was undertaken for this than is usually done. Given how inadequate this one still was - (the idea of handing out leaflets in the park for instance does not seem to have occured to anyone) - it just goes to prove how bad the usual arrangements are!! The Labour executive can now decide that it will not let the land (it looks after in our name!) be used for this purpose. It does NOT have to go to planning as the owner of the land can say no to any proposed use. Go Ape may feel they have been mislead by the council and walk away. If the council lets it to planning, I hope all will write to the Cllrs on the planning committee, and tell them what they think! Paul
Im a local resident (Pollokshaws) there has been NO information regarding this locally. Mr Curran stated it was in the Extra, i dont get that, unless you pick it up in the arcade or the library (and its mince anyway). The actions and words of the councillors last night was a disgrace and Cllr Simpson and her banshee act left me speechless. As for people who moaned about the M77 - was there really a need to put it through a bit of the park? How many of us know about the full plans for the future extension of Silverburn too?
The Extra's no mince.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:48pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Did they "get a company in, we will get them to produce a presentation and they will then [bold]go out and talk to local groups[/bold] to explain the project"?
Did they "get a company in, we will get them to produce a presentation and they will then
go out and talk to local groups to explain the project"?
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 3:01pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Sydney, I think the company [bold]they were meant to get in[/bold] was a PR company or some such other and just never got round to it.
As soon as they hire one, they'll [bold]then[/bold] make the presentation and [bold]then[/bold] go out and talk to [italic]very specific groups[/italic] that don't represent the majority of communities of the park and [bold]then[/bold] explain that this is what's happening regardless of what they say.
In fact, they probably realised they could do this without the PR company and without the presentation or the talking bit.
Shame they can't realise how to do the tree top bit by themselves.
-Scott
Sydney, I think the company
they were meant to get in was a PR company or some such other and just never got round to it.
As soon as they hire one, they'll
then make the presentation and
then go out and talk to
very specific groups that don't represent the majority of communities of the park and
then explain that this is what's happening regardless of what they say.
In fact, they probably realised they could do this without the PR company and without the presentation or the talking bit.
Shame they can't realise how to do the tree top bit by themselves.
-Scott
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:09pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Thanks Scott, I've re-read the full article and a couple of others and there is certainly something fishy about this! The company they are referring to is the company who would be "interested in designing, installing and operating the courses". Therefore here it is Go Ape... [bold]did Go Ape give presentations to local community groups as part of the 'extensive consultation' process[/bold]???
Thanks Scott, I've re-read the full article and a couple of others and there is certainly something fishy about this! The company they are referring to is the company who would be "interested in designing, installing and operating the courses". Therefore here it is Go Ape...
did Go Ape give presentations to local community groups as part of the 'extensive consultation' process???
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 3:12pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote:
Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote]
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council.
They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said.
It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature.
[bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold]
[bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold]
TICL wrote:
Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -
Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council.
They are indeed
"a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said.
It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature.
Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT!
It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
Posted by: I Like North Wood As It Is, Right Next To Pollok Park on 3:31pm Wed 23 Jan 08
I agree with my earlier post on the Herald website!
Tristram should recognize that if the current Go-Ape application is approved without a competent and adequate consultation (i.e. the situation now), the name of his Company will not be associated good news. I can't say what it WILL be associated with (who knows where this will end up) but it WON'T be good news.
Go Ape have been put into an embarrasing situation by GCC's clearly inadequate consultation exercise. Tristram should withdraw the current application, re-submit an application in which the boundary aligns more closely with the footprint of the proposed development, and see if that gets the support of the users of the park.
If the resubmitted application is not successful, I am sure that GCC will be so embarrassed that they will lay on free public transport to less central but more suitable sites. I'm sure they will build toilets and car parks if they are required too. I can think of at least two suitable sites on the outskirts of Glasgow.
I agree with my earlier post on the Herald website!
Tristram should recognize that if the current Go-Ape application is approved without a competent and adequate consultation (i.e. the situation now), the name of his Company will not be associated good news. I can't say what it WILL be associated with (who knows where this will end up) but it WON'T be good news.
Go Ape have been put into an embarrasing situation by GCC's clearly inadequate consultation exercise. Tristram should withdraw the current application, re-submit an application in which the boundary aligns more closely with the footprint of the proposed development, and see if that gets the support of the users of the park.
If the resubmitted application is not successful, I am sure that GCC will be so embarrassed that they will lay on free public transport to less central but more suitable sites. I'm sure they will build toilets and car parks if they are required too. I can think of at least two suitable sites on the outskirts of Glasgow.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 3:57pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote] Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. [bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold] [bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold] [/quote] We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance
,cheating,bulling,be
having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste
d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
People Power wrote:
TICL wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here - Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed "a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT! It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance
,cheating,bulling,be
having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste
d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:23pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote] Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. [bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold] [bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold] [/quote] We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....[/quote]
jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand.
Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy.
Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change?
Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ?
jrb wrote:
People Power wrote: TICL wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here - Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed "a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT! It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand.
Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy.
Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change?
Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:38pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote] Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. [bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold] [bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold] [/quote] We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....[/quote] jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ? [/quote] AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993.
[italic]"I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo.[/italic]
[italic]Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!"[/italic]
[italic]Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening![/italic]
People Power wrote:
jrb wrote: People Power wrote: TICL wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here - Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed "a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT! It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ?
AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993.
"I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo.
Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!"
Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening! Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 5:18pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote] Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. [bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold] [bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold] [/quote] We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....[/quote] jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ? [/quote] AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993. [italic]"I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo.[/italic] [italic]Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!"[/italic] [italic]Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening![/italic] [/quote] And as our own mr.nessbit says..Rant,i'll give you rant.entirely agree with your views on councillors/politici
ans and the like, But who do we find that capable of representing the electorate in,scottish politics,look what happened when the so called socialists had their bite at the cherry,nothing of note,and now they are off the political map for at least ten years.Ifor the life of me cannot see amongst our current crop of unworthies,anyone who would jump ship, and side with ordinary citizens
The Missing City wrote:
People Power wrote: jrb wrote: People Power wrote: TICL wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here - Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed "a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT! It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ?
AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993. "I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo. Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!" Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening!
And as our own mr.nessbit says..Rant,i'll give you rant.entirely agree with your views on councillors/politici
ans and the like, But who do we find that capable of representing the electorate in,scottish politics,look what happened when the so called socialists had their bite at the cherry,nothing of note,and now they are off the political map for at least ten years.Ifor the life of me cannot see amongst our current crop of unworthies,anyone who would jump ship, and side with ordinary citizens
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:26pm Wed 23 Jan 08
People power is showing the obvious benefits of standing up and speaking out so how come we are seeing no benefits from her complaints. Cause she is a moaner and politicians love to ignore moaners. The thing I find miraculous in all this is that the council agreed to this in the first place. All this garbage about paying 25 quid to visit a park that used to be free is baloney. If a private company invests 200,000 pound to make a truly unique form of entertainment they are entitled to charge for it. I dont see the council setting up any activity parks for the poor children of glasgow they will be lucky if they still have a park that hasn't been bricked over.
People power is showing the obvious benefits of standing up and speaking out so how come we are seeing no benefits from her complaints. Cause she is a moaner and politicians love to ignore moaners. The thing I find miraculous in all this is that the council agreed to this in the first place. All this garbage about paying 25 quid to visit a park that used to be free is baloney. If a private company invests 200,000 pound to make a truly unique form of entertainment they are entitled to charge for it. I dont see the council setting up any activity parks for the poor children of glasgow they will be lucky if they still have a park that hasn't been bricked over.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow ( unfortunately) on 5:42pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote] Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. [bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold] [bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold] [/quote] We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....[/quote] jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ? [/quote] AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993. [italic]"I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo.[/italic] [italic]Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!"[/italic] [italic]Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening![/italic] [/quote] And as our own mr.nessbit says..Rant,i'll give you rant.entirely agree with your views on councillors/politici ans and the like, But who do we find that capable of representing the electorate in,scottish politics,look what happened when the so called socialists had their bite at the cherry,nothing of note,and now they are off the political map for at least ten years.Ifor the life of me cannot see amongst our current crop of unworthies,anyone who would jump ship, and side with ordinary citizens[/quote]
(...rant commenced 17:31....)
Yes, okay jrb, I see your point, but this is why those of us who have an ounce of community spirit, or belief of any sort should do our utmost to seek out the Politicians who can stick to their word through thick and thin.
Like I said - you can count them upon one hand.
But - one is better than none, and if we do not grill, challenge and push these so called represntatives of the electorate, what have we got left - but a bunch of self-serving, fat, greedy and two faced nobodys who just want to have their cake and eat it.
Yes - the Socialists - of which I was miguided enough to be part of ( before the controversy) have perhaps stirred peoples consciences, and at least made people think of the potential alternatives to Capitalism.
Free School Meals, An Alternative to The Unfair Council Tax, and a far more respectable minimum wage ( heaven forbid!)
But, those high waged, greedy and self-fulfilling in society extend way beyond politicians. We can be equally as guilty of dropping our morals, and being self fulfilling.
Maybe then, we need to care more about one another, look out for our community members, neighbours, friends and even strangers, and do a good deed however small. We have to start somewhere, and by looking deep within ourselves we can hopefully find the answers we are looking for.
Do we care about "Pollok Park" or do we want to sit back aimlessly till it is too late ?
Or should we actively play a role in ensuring what is done is best for the ordinary people, not those greedy bu**ers on the gravy train.
Shame we cannot all make more effort for the good of the planet and future generations. But, unless we do so, we will be victims of our own ignorance - with future floods, or coastal erosion. We must all wake up and play our part! ( rant suspended. . . .at 17:41)
jrb wrote:
The Missing City wrote: People Power wrote: jrb wrote: People Power wrote: TICL wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here - Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed "a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT! It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ?
AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993. "I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo. Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!" Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening!
And as our own mr.nessbit says..Rant,i'll give you rant.entirely agree with your views on councillors/politici ans and the like, But who do we find that capable of representing the electorate in,scottish politics,look what happened when the so called socialists had their bite at the cherry,nothing of note,and now they are off the political map for at least ten years.Ifor the life of me cannot see amongst our current crop of unworthies,anyone who would jump ship, and side with ordinary citizens
(...rant commenced 17:31....)
Yes, okay jrb, I see your point, but this is why those of us who have an ounce of community spirit, or belief of any sort should do our utmost to seek out the Politicians who can stick to their word through thick and thin.
Like I said - you can count them upon one hand.
But - one is better than none, and if we do not grill, challenge and push these so called represntatives of the electorate, what have we got left - but a bunch of self-serving, fat, greedy and two faced nobodys who just want to have their cake and eat it.
Yes - the Socialists - of which I was miguided enough to be part of ( before the controversy) have perhaps stirred peoples consciences, and at least made people think of the potential alternatives to Capitalism.
Free School Meals, An Alternative to The Unfair Council Tax, and a far more respectable minimum wage ( heaven forbid!)
But, those high waged, greedy and self-fulfilling in society extend way beyond politicians. We can be equally as guilty of dropping our morals, and being self fulfilling.
Maybe then, we need to care more about one another, look out for our community members, neighbours, friends and even strangers, and do a good deed however small. We have to start somewhere, and by looking deep within ourselves we can hopefully find the answers we are looking for.
Do we care about "Pollok Park" or do we want to sit back aimlessly till it is too late ?
Or should we actively play a role in ensuring what is done is best for the ordinary people, not those greedy bu**ers on the gravy train.
Shame we cannot all make more effort for the good of the planet and future generations. But, unless we do so, we will be victims of our own ignorance - with future floods, or coastal erosion. We must all wake up and play our part! ( rant suspended. . . .at 17:41)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:55pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Lets no longer give a fcuk - the place is a sh1thole anyway!
[bold]Who cares, we should all follow the lead of the Super Duper Jonny Bond - he's the man![/bold]
Lets no longer give a fcuk - the place is a sh1thole anyway!
Who cares, we should all follow the lead of the Super Duper Jonny Bond - he's the man! Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 6:20pm Wed 23 Jan 08
If they think that the protest over the motorway thru the park was tough then just wait till the they try to build this rich kids playground..The people have spoken & this time we will not be beaten, bring it on cos we are ready this time,war they want & war they will get..
If they think that the protest over the motorway thru the park was tough then just wait till the they try to build this rich kids playground..The people have spoken & this time we will not be beaten, bring it on cos we are ready this time,war they want & war they will get..
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:23pm Wed 23 Jan 08
OOoooerrr Mrs - On Yerself man! Don't hold back or anythin' - LOL ;-)
The sarcasm is certainly flowing today then!
What are you on ? Prefer adrenalin myself - free and with no need to buy or consume it.
Suggest you take a chill pill - as I intend on doing! At the end of the day all this debate is doing what exactly ? Sweet Fcuk All!
OOoooerrr Mrs - On Yerself man! Don't hold back or anythin' - LOL ;-)
The sarcasm is certainly flowing today then!
What are you on ? Prefer adrenalin myself - free and with no need to buy or consume it.
Suggest you take a chill pill - as I intend on doing! At the end of the day all this debate is doing what exactly ? Sweet Fcuk All!
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 6:27pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Well said missing city the first time I have ever agreed with an internet posting in the history of posting. Shame you was being facetious. The lack of investment in this country is a direct result of the people not wanting to change. If all of our park space in Glasgow is added up and the three acres taken as a percentage of available space it would be not even 1000th of a percent of park space in Glasgow. How many go ape type facilities exist to allow kids to fall in love with the environment on a hands on basis within Glasgow not one by my or go apes count.
Well said missing city the first time I have ever agreed with an internet posting in the history of posting. Shame you was being facetious. The lack of investment in this country is a direct result of the people not wanting to change. If all of our park space in Glasgow is added up and the three acres taken as a percentage of available space it would be not even 1000th of a percent of park space in Glasgow. How many go ape type facilities exist to allow kids to fall in love with the environment on a hands on basis within Glasgow not one by my or go apes count.
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 6:50pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Scouting can give a better understanding of nature, doesn't confuse local wildlife with too many alien noises and isn't a commercial venture.
In fact a local Scout troop planted a tree in Pollok to celebrate the centenary of both Scouting and their own troop. This was after they had helped clean part of the river and thin out some of the woods.
100 years of nature for children being celebrated! Sounds like the park is already in tune with youth and environmental issues.
Falling in love with nature, via Go Ape! ain't falling in love with nature. It's thrill seeking for the cowardly rich who could quite easily drive their SUVs that little bit further out of the city.
I guess I'm going to have to sign up with the 'With us or against us' mob because without reading any coherent rationale to back up a stratagem [bold]for[/bold] Go Ape! I may as well be talking to the councillors from last night who were blindly opposed to the public without any intelligent reason they could articulate.
Mind you, the Scouts could have been thinning out the trees for the Go Ape! facility.
Child labour, now there is a smart idea. I wonder if there are any children in the world without rights we could exploit? Probably just be cheaper to use children here, after all this isn't really a democratic country so they have no rights.
Perhaps those [bold]for[/bold] the development could pay them a penny an hour to bash their heads on their keyboards and post whatever gibberish that comes out as their arguments on the net.
It could only make it more coherent.
I'm [bold]against[/bold] and you should be too.
-Scott
Scouting can give a better understanding of nature, doesn't confuse local wildlife with too many alien noises and isn't a commercial venture.
In fact a local Scout troop planted a tree in Pollok to celebrate the centenary of both Scouting and their own troop. This was after they had helped clean part of the river and thin out some of the woods.
100 years of nature for children being celebrated! Sounds like the park is already in tune with youth and environmental issues.
Falling in love with nature, via Go Ape! ain't falling in love with nature. It's thrill seeking for the cowardly rich who could quite easily drive their SUVs that little bit further out of the city.
I guess I'm going to have to sign up with the 'With us or against us' mob because without reading any coherent rationale to back up a stratagem
for Go Ape! I may as well be talking to the councillors from last night who were blindly opposed to the public without any intelligent reason they could articulate.
Mind you, the Scouts could have been thinning out the trees for the Go Ape! facility.
Child labour, now there is a smart idea. I wonder if there are any children in the world without rights we could exploit? Probably just be cheaper to use children here, after all this isn't really a democratic country so they have no rights.
Perhaps those
for the development could pay them a penny an hour to bash their heads on their keyboards and post whatever gibberish that comes out as their arguments on the net.
It could only make it more coherent.
I'm
against and you should be too.
-Scott
Posted by: kaz3001, glasgow on 7:20pm Wed 23 Jan 08
I use Pollok Park on a daily basis to say that this area will not effect areas you can access and state [italic][bold]"We only use the tree tops so where you walk today you would be able to walk tomorrow.[/bold][/italic] I beg to differ as I will not be able to walk in the area you plan to build go ape as I would not be paying £25 to come in to the allocated area.
Pollok Park is a public park how can this be right to plan to build this within a public park that does not havr the road or parking capacity for this type of activity.
Someone at Glasgow City Council has alot to answer too.
It is strange that no-one got to hear about this when it was proposed
I use Pollok Park on a daily basis to say that this area will not effect areas you can access and state
"We only use the tree tops so where you walk today you would be able to walk tomorrow. I beg to differ as I will not be able to walk in the area you plan to build go ape as I would not be paying £25 to come in to the allocated area.
Pollok Park is a public park how can this be right to plan to build this within a public park that does not havr the road or parking capacity for this type of activity.
Someone at Glasgow City Council has alot to answer too.
It is strange that no-one got to hear about this when it was proposed
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 8:24pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TICL[/bold] wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging [bold]25 pounds[/bold] for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. [bold]We were not consulted - we were insulted.[/bold] [/quote] Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here -[bold] Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll[/bold] and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed [italic]"a dangerous afront to democracy"[/italic] never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. [bold]Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT![/bold] [bold]It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation! [/bold] [/quote] We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....[/quote] jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ? [/quote] AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993. [italic]"I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo.[/italic] [italic]Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!"[/italic] [italic]Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening![/italic] [/quote] And as our own mr.nessbit says..Rant,i'll give you rant.entirely agree with your views on councillors/politici ans and the like, But who do we find that capable of representing the electorate in,scottish politics,look what happened when the so called socialists had their bite at the cherry,nothing of note,and now they are off the political map for at least ten years.Ifor the life of me cannot see amongst our current crop of unworthies,anyone who would jump ship, and side with ordinary citizens[/quote] (...rant commenced 17:31....) Yes, okay jrb, I see your point, but this is why those of us who have an ounce of community spirit, or belief of any sort should do our utmost to seek out the Politicians who can stick to their word through thick and thin. Like I said - you can count them upon one hand. But - one is better than none, and if we do not grill, challenge and push these so called represntatives of the electorate, what have we got left - but a bunch of self-serving, fat, greedy and two faced nobodys who just want to have their cake and eat it. Yes - the Socialists - of which I was miguided enough to be part of ( before the controversy) have perhaps stirred peoples consciences, and at least made people think of the potential alternatives to Capitalism. Free School Meals, An Alternative to The Unfair Council Tax, and a far more respectable minimum wage ( heaven forbid!) But, those high waged, greedy and self-fulfilling in society extend way beyond politicians. We can be equally as guilty of dropping our morals, and being self fulfilling. Maybe then, we need to care more about one another, look out for our community members, neighbours, friends and even strangers, and do a good deed however small. We have to start somewhere, and by looking deep within ourselves we can hopefully find the answers we are looking for. Do we care about "Pollok Park" or do we want to sit back aimlessly till it is too late ? Or should we actively play a role in ensuring what is done is best for the ordinary people, not those greedy bu**ers on the gravy train. Shame we cannot all make more effort for the good of the planet and future generations. But, unless we do so, we will be victims of our own ignorance - with future floods, or coastal erosion. We must all wake up and play our part! ( rant suspended. . . .at 17:41) [/quote] QUOTE"A capacity to display intelligence at election time is never a strong point in the British public,Who show singularly little concern with regard to that all-important factor the personal character of one who offers himself as their parliementry repesentisive,and not much ability even to estimate the merits of the policy which he advocates.Provided a candidate be not an atrociously bad speaker and does not represent a party of whose misrule the people are getting sick, he is likely to be successful if only he has behind him more party funds and a larger volume of propaganda than his rivals" unquote..------ {the duke of bedford]1947.see come dungeons dark the life and times of guy aldred, that sums up for me the inability of an independant to break the stranglehold the mainstream partys have at the present on scottish politics....
People Power wrote:
jrb wrote: The Missing City wrote: People Power wrote: jrb wrote: People Power wrote: TICL wrote: Forbes Aiken - please get a grip. I have seen your trolling on The Herald website as well, on this and other matters. The insults directed at Robert Booth and cronies on this discussion are far less serious than his insulting attitude to the people of Glasgow last night, which was a dangerous affront to democracy. Besides, in what possible way is charging 25 pounds for access to currently unrestricted forest in the interests of the vast majority of Glaswegians? Thankfully, the strength of your support is in the 1% bracket. And well done to all of those who came last night, and to Save Pollok Park, who have done so much good work. We were not consulted - we were insulted.
Better late than never. . . . fully agree with your observations / criticisms here - Forbes Aiken is indeed another Troll and just completely blindfolded as to the real issues afoot with our so called elected Labour Council. They are indeed "a dangerous afront to democracy" never a more true statement said. It is just sad that in this day and age, we still have those who are so willing to praise and salute our politicians / Councillors - and fail to see their real devious, greedy, and self centred nature. Only a select few of our elected representatives actually care about their electorate, or respond to their concerns & communications. FACT! It is high time people sit up, take notice and become far more aware of exactly what their elected Councillors and MSP's are doing while they have the cheek to claim such exorbitant wages, expenses and second mortgages through our taxation!
We hear how the behaviour of star footballers influence the youngsters who copy their ,diving.feinging injury,time wasting constant moaning and other antics.I believe our city councillors are guilty of the same by following the example set by their Westminster and holyrood paymasters,arrogance ,cheating,bulling,be having like prima donnas,getting cash for little effort,I have no faith in any of them ,can't think of a single one who doesnt aspire to higher office,regardless of broken promises,and lies they tell,they would sell their grannies if they could get away with it.And fools that we are come election time we listen to their promises and pledges once again...You say that a few actually care , and respond to the electorate A few is that it only a few out of perhaps 60 or 70, and we accept that,is that the calibre of those in local government. I wonder how many of the few will still respond the higher they climb the political ladder,it'll be toe the party line and don't say or do anything that will threaten your pay or pension.....Disguste d disillusioned ,taxpayer....
jrb, I fully understand, and agree with your disgruntled and frustrated rant, so well put there. What it is high time we did is seek out those worthy politicians and councillors - despite being able to count them on one hand. Until we can genuinely say, hand on heart that we believe what our Councillors / Politicians say and trust in their actions it is a very sad and depressing day for democracy. Perhaps the time has come for us to actively attend our Councillors surgeries, and grill them for all it is worth. Until people come out of their "comfort zones" and start challenging the party line so many Councillors are towing - how else can we see things change? Those who pay their taxes have every right to be completely apathetic and disgruntled with politicians today - but - until they stand up, speak out and challenge the way our system is failing what alternatives do we have ?
AS Neil Young said in his intro speech when he came to town with Booker T & the MG's back in July 1993. "I see they've gone and tore down the old Apollo. Maybe we should all go down and tear down City Hall!" Not surprisingly, the SECC nearly had a riot on their hands that evening!
And as our own mr.nessbit says..Rant,i'll give you rant.entirely agree with your views on councillors/politici ans and the like, But who do we find that capable of representing the electorate in,scottish politics,look what happened when the so called socialists had their bite at the cherry,nothing of note,and now they are off the political map for at least ten years.Ifor the life of me cannot see amongst our current crop of unworthies,anyone who would jump ship, and side with ordinary citizens
(...rant commenced 17:31....) Yes, okay jrb, I see your point, but this is why those of us who have an ounce of community spirit, or belief of any sort should do our utmost to seek out the Politicians who can stick to their word through thick and thin. Like I said - you can count them upon one hand. But - one is better than none, and if we do not grill, challenge and push these so called represntatives of the electorate, what have we got left - but a bunch of self-serving, fat, greedy and two faced nobodys who just want to have their cake and eat it. Yes - the Socialists - of which I was miguided enough to be part of ( before the controversy) have perhaps stirred peoples consciences, and at least made people think of the potential alternatives to Capitalism. Free School Meals, An Alternative to The Unfair Council Tax, and a far more respectable minimum wage ( heaven forbid!) But, those high waged, greedy and self-fulfilling in society extend way beyond politicians. We can be equally as guilty of dropping our morals, and being self fulfilling. Maybe then, we need to care more about one another, look out for our community members, neighbours, friends and even strangers, and do a good deed however small. We have to start somewhere, and by looking deep within ourselves we can hopefully find the answers we are looking for. Do we care about "Pollok Park" or do we want to sit back aimlessly till it is too late ? Or should we actively play a role in ensuring what is done is best for the ordinary people, not those greedy bu**ers on the gravy train. Shame we cannot all make more effort for the good of the planet and future generations. But, unless we do so, we will be victims of our own ignorance - with future floods, or coastal erosion. We must all wake up and play our part! ( rant suspended. . . .at 17:41)
QUOTE"A capacity to display intelligence at election time is never a strong point in the British public,Who show singularly little concern with regard to that all-important factor the personal character of one who offers himself as their parliementry repesentisive,and not much ability even to estimate the merits of the policy which he advocates.Provided a candidate be not an atrociously bad speaker and does not represent a party of whose misrule the people are getting sick, he is likely to be successful if only he has behind him more party funds and a larger volume of propaganda than his rivals" unquote..------ {the duke of bedford]1947.see come dungeons dark the life and times of guy aldred, that sums up for me the inability of an independant to break the stranglehold the mainstream partys have at the present on scottish politics....
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 8:34am Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]teamdroid[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Ladofglas25[/bold] wrote: this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip![/quote] Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored. It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?[/quote] Hmmm...how much do people get charged to use the Burrell or the M77, Pete? Not £45, that's for sure. As for "small", go look at a map of it...[/quote] I see, so now the issue is the cost. The plot thickens. Not exactly addressing my point.
Is this the protected magical land where fairies and elves roam the enchanted forest and motorways cost nothing to build?
teamdroid wrote:
Pete wrote: Ladofglas25 wrote: this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip!
Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored. It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?
Hmmm...how much do people get charged to use the Burrell or the M77, Pete? Not £45, that's for sure. As for "small", go look at a map of it...
I see, so now the issue is the cost. The plot thickens. Not exactly addressing my point.
Is this the protected magical land where fairies and elves roam the enchanted forest and motorways cost nothing to build?
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 9:21am Thu 24 Jan 08
Pete & frank did you not get breast fed as children is this why you both have serious chips on your shoulders?..This park is public property, given to the city by the Maxwell family for the people to use not for the council to do with as they please..
As for the comment regarding the Burrell Collection, people come from all over the world to see it & it is free, it is not just for the elite as this project will be..
Game on. lets take it to the council..
Pete & frank did you not get breast fed as children is this why you both have serious chips on your shoulders?..This park is public property, given to the city by the Maxwell family for the people to use not for the council to do with as they please..
As for the comment regarding the Burrell Collection, people come from all over the world to see it & it is free, it is not just for the elite as this project will be..
Game on. lets take it to the council..
Posted by: teamdroid on 1:50pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]teamdroid[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Ladofglas25[/bold] wrote: this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip![/quote] Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored. It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?[/quote] Hmmm...how much do people get charged to use the Burrell or the M77, Pete? Not £45, that's for sure. As for "small", go look at a map of it...[/quote] I see, so now the issue is the cost. The plot thickens. Not exactly addressing my point.
Is this the protected magical land where fairies and elves roam the enchanted forest and motorways cost nothing to build?[/quote] Cost is only one issue, as you well know. Your point seems to be that because the park got vandalised in the past, it's OK to do it again, which isn't even worth addressing.
The council is trying to sell this proposal, in part, on the grounds that it will increase use of the park among young people. That'll be the kids able to afford 45 quid a pop and go along with mum or dad, that is. And with only 450 free spaces a year being offered to Glasgow schools, that's less than 1 secondary school a year getting a free go.
Pete wrote:
teamdroid wrote:
Pete wrote: Ladofglas25 wrote: this whole situation is a pile of ****, "THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE IGNORED"!, over a bloddy park get a friggin grip!
Hmm... how many of the protesters at last night's meeting use the M77 now, and how many protested against it at the time? The hypocrisy is probably best ignored. It's only a small adventure trail, not a 'desecration'! Were there similar protests against building the Burrell?
Hmmm...how much do people get charged to use the Burrell or the M77, Pete? Not £45, that's for sure. As for "small", go look at a map of it...
I see, so now the issue is the cost. The plot thickens. Not exactly addressing my point.
Is this the protected magical land where fairies and elves roam the enchanted forest and motorways cost nothing to build?
Cost is only one issue, as you well know. Your point seems to be that because the park got vandalised in the past, it's OK to do it again, which isn't even worth addressing.
The council is trying to sell this proposal, in part, on the grounds that it will increase use of the park among young people. That'll be the kids able to afford 45 quid a pop and go along with mum or dad, that is. And with only 450 free spaces a year being offered to Glasgow schools, that's less than 1 secondary school a year getting a free go.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 2:03pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Is this the same Glasgow City Council that gave us the refurbished Kelvingrove?
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Yes, the same Council who gave us a "museum and art gallery" featuring such high-brow events such as "The Kylie Exhibition". And displays about violence against women. My, one can just smell the history and value of these exhibits eh? God.
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The same administration who, against international competition, won the Commonwealth Games for Glasgow?
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Oh yes, International Competition against the mighty abuja, a city which cant guarantee electricity supply, in one of the most violent and corrupt countries in the world. Well done, what a magnificent achievement to beat abuja.
Thanks for highlighting some of the councils recent "triumphs" (ha) Forbes.
Is this the same Glasgow City Council that gave us the refurbished Kelvingrove?
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Yes, the same Council who gave us a "museum and art gallery" featuring such high-brow events such as "The Kylie Exhibition". And displays about violence against women. My, one can just smell the history and value of these exhibits eh? God.
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The same administration who, against international competition, won the Commonwealth Games for Glasgow?
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Oh yes, International Competition against the mighty abuja, a city which cant guarantee electricity supply, in one of the most violent and corrupt countries in the world. Well done, what a magnificent achievement to beat abuja.
Thanks for highlighting some of the councils recent "triumphs" (ha) Forbes.
Posted by: I Like North Wood As It Is, Right Next To Pollok Park on 3:41pm Thu 24 Jan 08
For the sake of clarity - My interpretation of what the National Trust for Scotland representative said at the meeting was that [italic]...NTS had not lodged any objection to the application but NTS were unhappy at not being consulted...[/italic]
In fact, NTS [bold]HAVE[/bold] lodged a formal objection - on the grounds that NTS were not adequately consulted.
So there's an objection from one of the partners responsible for managing the Park.
Surely the Planning Committee will have to address this objection and consult with NTS even if they do not feel the need to conduct a proper consultation with the current users of the Park?
For the sake of clarity - My interpretation of what the National Trust for Scotland representative said at the meeting was that
...NTS had not lodged any objection to the application but NTS were unhappy at not being consulted...
In fact, NTS
HAVE lodged a formal objection - on the grounds that NTS were not adequately consulted.
So there's an objection from one of the partners responsible for managing the Park.
Surely the Planning Committee will have to address this objection and consult with NTS even if they do not feel the need to conduct a proper consultation with the current users of the Park?
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