Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:04am Thu 24 Jan 08
George Redmond does speak with passion regarding the previous mishaps which have blighted this area, it remains to be seen what actually come out of all this, he does speak sense, although the plan should be set to last for 100 years at least, not just a quick fix like it was in days gone by as he has explanied - a good proper, thought out vision and looking at the demands of the public in 50 years or so should be part of this plan.
Of course, the Victorians gave us nice places to live and had the right idea, some of their visions are still thriving to this very day - we see this with parts of the South Side and the West End and a small pocket of the East - in Dennistoun, but you also have the grand layouts which exist in London and Edinburgh, and some has been reproduced, it is intended to be reproduced in the Gorbals based on modern housing standards, some of this should apply to the East End as well as the North side, though whenever they get round to that area is anybody's guess.
Can the planners of today get it right for the future considering nothing of this scale has been seen in Glasgow since the 1960's, apart from the GEAR project in the mid 70's which only had a very minimal impact.
[italic]We can only wait and see.....[/italic]
George Redmond does speak with passion regarding the previous mishaps which have blighted this area, it remains to be seen what actually come out of all this, he does speak sense, although the plan should be set to last for 100 years at least, not just a quick fix like it was in days gone by as he has explanied - a good proper, thought out vision and looking at the demands of the public in 50 years or so should be part of this plan.
Of course, the Victorians gave us nice places to live and had the right idea, some of their visions are still thriving to this very day - we see this with parts of the South Side and the West End and a small pocket of the East - in Dennistoun, but you also have the grand layouts which exist in London and Edinburgh, and some has been reproduced, it is intended to be reproduced in the Gorbals based on modern housing standards, some of this should apply to the East End as well as the North side, though whenever they get round to that area is anybody's guess.
Can the planners of today get it right for the future considering nothing of this scale has been seen in Glasgow since the 1960's, apart from the GEAR project in the mid 70's which only had a very minimal impact.
We can only wait and see.....
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:14pm Thu 24 Jan 08
These comments are laudable, however there are a number of details missing. George talks about the mistake which were made in the 50's and 60's.
There are more recent mistake such as the GEAR (Glasgow East Area Renewal)Initative. This Regional Council iniative was hailed as the saviour of the East End in the late 70's and early 80's, and was touted as a model of good practise. Tens of millions of pounds were spent, or diverted to thearea to acheive exactly what George is talking about.
However, GEAR did not acheive its objective in a meaningful way due to a number of issues.
I hope that the lessons from the GEAR Initative have been learned. The evaluation of the GEAR project is publicly avilable, and i hope they have lloked at it.
As much as i agree that there needs to be a consentration of resources in this community, I am sceptical of the claims of 10,000 jobs being created, sounds like political spin and a play for a larger slice of ever deminishing resources.
Furthermore, we have heard the same spin before. The Harbour Project was going to create 1000's of local jobs, which never materialised. So i wont hold my breath
At the Launch of the GEAR
These comments are laudable, however there are a number of details missing. George talks about the mistake which were made in the 50's and 60's.
There are more recent mistake such as the GEAR (Glasgow East Area Renewal)Initative. This Regional Council iniative was hailed as the saviour of the East End in the late 70's and early 80's, and was touted as a model of good practise. Tens of millions of pounds were spent, or diverted to thearea to acheive exactly what George is talking about.
However, GEAR did not acheive its objective in a meaningful way due to a number of issues.
I hope that the lessons from the GEAR Initative have been learned. The evaluation of the GEAR project is publicly avilable, and i hope they have lloked at it.
As much as i agree that there needs to be a consentration of resources in this community, I am sceptical of the claims of 10,000 jobs being created, sounds like political spin and a play for a larger slice of ever deminishing resources.
Furthermore, we have heard the same spin before. The Harbour Project was going to create 1000's of local jobs, which never materialised. So i wont hold my breath
At the Launch of the GEAR
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:27pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
These comments are laudable, however there are a number of details missing. George talks about the mistake which were made in the 50's and 60's. There are more recent mistake such as the GEAR (Glasgow East Area Renewal)Initative. This Regional Council iniative was hailed as the saviour of the East End in the late 70's and early 80's, and was touted as a model of good practise. Tens of millions of pounds were spent, or diverted to thearea to acheive exactly what George is talking about. However, GEAR did not acheive its objective in a meaningful way due to a number of issues. I hope that the lessons from the GEAR Initative have been learned. The evaluation of the GEAR project is publicly avilable, and i hope they have lloked at it. As much as i agree that there needs to be a consentration of resources in this community, I am sceptical of the claims of 10,000 jobs being created, sounds like political spin and a play for a larger slice of ever deminishing resources. Furthermore, we have heard the same spin before. The Harbour Project was going to create 1000's of local jobs, which never materialised. So i wont hold my breath At the Launch of the GEAR [/quote] As I said MR Boss - The GEAR Project had minimal impact.
A few plots of housing in the Bridgeton & Calton areas as well as some industrial units in the area including Shettleston - To me that was GEAR!
I always think that the GEAR was stuck in Neutral when I reflect on the state of the East End in the late 1980's and all the way through the 90's.
P1sh, I agree, that is why this masterplan has been devised, hopefully it will do justice to the whole city, never mind just being the East End, it sounds good, but we can't judge or criticise until at least we see what they have to offer the citizens of this long neglected part of the city in terms of community infrastructure - transport, housing, shops and rebuilding the main routes out of town that have been left to dwindle (the vital stuff that GEAR ignored) Gallowgate, Dalmarnock & London Road, so hopefully they will get it right this time.
[italic]As I said, we can only wait and see.[/italic]
hugo wrote:
These comments are laudable, however there are a number of details missing. George talks about the mistake which were made in the 50's and 60's. There are more recent mistake such as the GEAR (Glasgow East Area Renewal)Initative. This Regional Council iniative was hailed as the saviour of the East End in the late 70's and early 80's, and was touted as a model of good practise. Tens of millions of pounds were spent, or diverted to thearea to acheive exactly what George is talking about. However, GEAR did not acheive its objective in a meaningful way due to a number of issues. I hope that the lessons from the GEAR Initative have been learned. The evaluation of the GEAR project is publicly avilable, and i hope they have lloked at it. As much as i agree that there needs to be a consentration of resources in this community, I am sceptical of the claims of 10,000 jobs being created, sounds like political spin and a play for a larger slice of ever deminishing resources. Furthermore, we have heard the same spin before. The Harbour Project was going to create 1000's of local jobs, which never materialised. So i wont hold my breath At the Launch of the GEAR
As I said MR Boss - The GEAR Project had minimal impact.
A few plots of housing in the Bridgeton & Calton areas as well as some industrial units in the area including Shettleston - To me that was GEAR!
I always think that the GEAR was stuck in Neutral when I reflect on the state of the East End in the late 1980's and all the way through the 90's.
P1sh, I agree, that is why this masterplan has been devised, hopefully it will do justice to the whole city, never mind just being the East End, it sounds good, but we can't judge or criticise until at least we see what they have to offer the citizens of this long neglected part of the city in terms of community infrastructure - transport, housing, shops and rebuilding the main routes out of town that have been left to dwindle (the vital stuff that GEAR ignored) Gallowgate, Dalmarnock & London Road, so hopefully they will get it right this time.
As I said, we can only wait and see. Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:46pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Part of the problem in Glasgow is that we leave/trust too much to the Council. They're largely well-meaning but successful places need a wider range of input, especially from the people who live there.
Councils are better at this stuff than they were and some lessons have been learned but I'm not sure I'll hold my breath on this one.
Part of the problem in Glasgow is that we leave/trust too much to the Council. They're largely well-meaning but successful places need a wider range of input, especially from the people who live there.
Councils are better at this stuff than they were and some lessons have been learned but I'm not sure I'll hold my breath on this one.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:11pm Thu 24 Jan 08
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work.
Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work.
Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Posted by: AndrewM, Shawlands, Glasgow on 2:40pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.[/quote] Perhaps the Skills Academy could be used to put them through training. If they don't turn up or drop out then they shouldn't get any benefits.
glamkitty wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Perhaps the Skills Academy could be used to put them through training. If they don't turn up or drop out then they shouldn't get any benefits.
Posted by: Happychappy, glasgow on 2:59pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Hope that contractors are screened to ensure they dont employ "cash in hand staff", that parking facilities are a consideration with emphasis on the long term, and that the many building sites and new facilities are not "guarded" by the various gangsters security firms that are around.
Oh and as a last thought, serious scrutiny of the financial gains made by council officials and associates, to ensure every penny spent is for the benefit of Glasgow, and not a pension / benefits plan for certain individuals.
I know, it's asking too too much. As if that is likely.
Hope that contractors are screened to ensure they dont employ "cash in hand staff", that parking facilities are a consideration with emphasis on the long term, and that the many building sites and new facilities are not "guarded" by the various gangsters security firms that are around.
Oh and as a last thought, serious scrutiny of the financial gains made by council officials and associates, to ensure every penny spent is for the benefit of Glasgow, and not a pension / benefits plan for certain individuals.
I know, it's asking too too much. As if that is likely.
Posted by: Eric Flack, Drumchapel on 3:01pm Thu 24 Jan 08
I was a bit involved in the GEAR projected back in the early 1980s. They had lots of consulations but factories were closing and people were leaving all the time. One thing was that many of these initiatives did not "do" what the people wanted. Money was thrown at projects which took a few folk of the dole for 6 months or so. Prettied up a wee bits of ground. It employed lots of people from out with the area. What is its legacy for the millions spent? I dont know!Mr Green came along later and opened the Forge. But Westmuir Street and around Parkhead Cross used to be a great shopping centre. Its all really squalid now.
I was a bit involved in the GEAR projected back in the early 1980s. They had lots of consulations but factories were closing and people were leaving all the time. One thing was that many of these initiatives did not "do" what the people wanted. Money was thrown at projects which took a few folk of the dole for 6 months or so. Prettied up a wee bits of ground. It employed lots of people from out with the area. What is its legacy for the millions spent? I dont know!Mr Green came along later and opened the Forge. But Westmuir Street and around Parkhead Cross used to be a great shopping centre. Its all really squalid now.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:06pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.[/quote] With the state of the East End and the North side as these places have been for a considerable, or should I say an UNHEALTHY amount of time, you would think people in these areas were choking to get back into work, but unfoirtunately, Glasgow in the past 40 years has had little to offer its citizens who come from these areas whiuch once heaved with heavy industries such as Beardmore's and Walter McFarlane's and the railway,/ steel/ rubber / iron / chemical works.
These industries were largely replaced with nothing and its only been in the last, what 5 - 10 years that things have been emerging in a more positive manner for the city as a whole.
It is a problem which has to be addressed, spare the excuses, there isn't really much of an excuse to be made, although there are not jobs to suit everyboidy either.
Not everybody will want to work in Customer Service based environments - I certainly don't - it's not what I went and got an Honours degree for - but that's all that seems to be available at present, which in my opinion is p1sh!
glamkitty wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
With the state of the East End and the North side as these places have been for a considerable, or should I say an UNHEALTHY amount of time, you would think people in these areas were choking to get back into work, but unfoirtunately, Glasgow in the past 40 years has had little to offer its citizens who come from these areas whiuch once heaved with heavy industries such as Beardmore's and Walter McFarlane's and the railway,/ steel/ rubber / iron / chemical works.
These industries were largely replaced with nothing and its only been in the last, what 5 - 10 years that things have been emerging in a more positive manner for the city as a whole.
It is a problem which has to be addressed, spare the excuses, there isn't really much of an excuse to be made, although there are not jobs to suit everyboidy either.
Not everybody will want to work in Customer Service based environments - I certainly don't - it's not what I went and got an Honours degree for - but that's all that seems to be available at present, which in my opinion is p1sh!
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 3:13pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it)
In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.
Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it)
In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 3:18pm Thu 24 Jan 08
are the 10,000 people in the east end who want a job?
are the 10,000 people in the east end who want a job?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:46pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.[/quote] True, they are being offered training and such like, and for single parents, I'm happy to see more are going to work rather than sponge the system when there's no need to - for years they were crying out to be equal amongst men, so they have no excuse either.
The multitudes of zombies are the real problem - there are so many its like Glasgow over the past 20 years has been on a par to a huge lump of sh1t with the zombies being the fly's who buzz around looking for pickings that are similar to a flock of crows pecking away at a corpse!
The city (outwith the nice bits) is at last changing, so in 20 years time, maybe these issues will be spoken about no more.
Can it be realised? Is it achievable?
I believe so!
glamkitty wrote:
Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.
True, they are being offered training and such like, and for single parents, I'm happy to see more are going to work rather than sponge the system when there's no need to - for years they were crying out to be equal amongst men, so they have no excuse either.
The multitudes of zombies are the real problem - there are so many its like Glasgow over the past 20 years has been on a par to a huge lump of sh1t with the zombies being the fly's who buzz around looking for pickings that are similar to a flock of crows pecking away at a corpse!
The city (outwith the nice bits) is at last changing, so in 20 years time, maybe these issues will be spoken about no more.
Can it be realised? Is it achievable?
I believe so!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:09pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.[/quote] True, they are being offered training and such like, and for single parents, I'm happy to see more are going to work rather than sponge the system when there's no need to - for years they were crying out to be equal amongst men, so they have no excuse either. The multitudes of zombies are the real problem - there are so many its like Glasgow over the past 20 years has been on a par to a huge lump of sh1t with the zombies being the fly's who buzz around looking for pickings that are similar to a flock of crows pecking away at a corpse! The city (outwith the nice bits) is at last changing, so in 20 years time, maybe these issues will be spoken about no more. Can it be realised? Is it achievable? I believe so![/quote] Glamkitty. Some news for you: the [italic]em[/italic] ployed generally don't want to work either.
Personally, I do so out of necessity.
A dazzling barrage of metaphor there TMC, but I believe change can be brought about too. There's been so much money spent on other areas of the city - and fair enough Kelvingrove is magnificent. Investment now means that the areas of the east end which have been long neglected can have the opportunity to benefit from inward mobility, a better skills base to attract businesses, even tourist income from the games.
The Missing City wrote:
glamkitty wrote: Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.
True, they are being offered training and such like, and for single parents, I'm happy to see more are going to work rather than sponge the system when there's no need to - for years they were crying out to be equal amongst men, so they have no excuse either. The multitudes of zombies are the real problem - there are so many its like Glasgow over the past 20 years has been on a par to a huge lump of sh1t with the zombies being the fly's who buzz around looking for pickings that are similar to a flock of crows pecking away at a corpse! The city (outwith the nice bits) is at last changing, so in 20 years time, maybe these issues will be spoken about no more. Can it be realised? Is it achievable? I believe so!
Glamkitty. Some news for you: the
em ployed generally don't want to work either.
Personally, I do so out of necessity.
A dazzling barrage of metaphor there TMC, but I believe change can be brought about too. There's been so much money spent on other areas of the city - and fair enough Kelvingrove is magnificent. Investment now means that the areas of the east end which have been long neglected can have the opportunity to benefit from inward mobility, a better skills base to attract businesses, even tourist income from the games.
Posted by: eastender, glasgow on 4:17pm Thu 24 Jan 08
glamkitty and yerauldda aye there are poeple in the eastend want jobs and aye I do have an hounours degree
glamkitty and yerauldda aye there are poeple in the eastend want jobs and aye I do have an hounours degree
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:18pm Thu 24 Jan 08
The issue is not just whether people want to work : it's also whether employers want, or need, to hire them.
The West of Scotland has had plenty unemployed to choose from for decades and not that many employers looking to choose them. In recent years too, the expansion of the EU has meant that employers can often pick a Pole over a Parkheider. It's not quite as sinmple as "they're taking our jobs" - immigrants also create more work (they have to eat, live somewhere, buy things) but it does make it harder to reach those who are 'less employable'.
Glasgow has made progress on its employment rate in recent years but there's still a long long way to go and it's getting harder now - the economy is slowing down and the many that remain out of work aren't as easy to work on.
The issue is not just whether people want to work : it's also whether employers want, or need, to hire them.
The West of Scotland has had plenty unemployed to choose from for decades and not that many employers looking to choose them. In recent years too, the expansion of the EU has meant that employers can often pick a Pole over a Parkheider. It's not quite as sinmple as "they're taking our jobs" - immigrants also create more work (they have to eat, live somewhere, buy things) but it does make it harder to reach those who are 'less employable'.
Glasgow has made progress on its employment rate in recent years but there's still a long long way to go and it's getting harder now - the economy is slowing down and the many that remain out of work aren't as easy to work on.
Posted by: aunt sally, glasgow on 4:20pm Thu 24 Jan 08
I have a degree in lunch yet I work in a call centre !!!
What a waste of an hour !
I have a degree in lunch yet I work in a call centre !!!
What a waste of an hour !
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Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 4:27pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]eastender[/bold] wrote:
glamkitty and yerauldda aye there are poeple in the eastend want jobs and aye I do have an hounours degree[/quote] no in spelling then eh? :)
eastender wrote:
glamkitty and yerauldda aye there are poeple in the eastend want jobs and aye I do have an hounours degree
no in spelling then eh? :)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:35pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]eastender[/bold] wrote: glamkitty and yerauldda aye there are poeple in the eastend want jobs and aye I do have an hounours degree[/quote] no in spelling then eh? :)[/quote] Hey I type like an office receptionist on the Lou Reed - but sometimes even I make the odd mistake on top of having an Honours Degree however, the ET site does not allow for correction of grammar as you type, unless you were to prepare your post in Word beforehand, for which some people may not have access to such a valuable application on their wee windaes PC's ;-)
I put two l's in application there, so I could have left myself wide open for severe punishment, but thankfully I corrected my (Human) error before proceeding! ;-)
yerauldda wrote:
eastender wrote: glamkitty and yerauldda aye there are poeple in the eastend want jobs and aye I do have an hounours degree
no in spelling then eh? :)
Hey I type like an office receptionist on the Lou Reed - but sometimes even I make the odd mistake on top of having an Honours Degree however, the ET site does not allow for correction of grammar as you type, unless you were to prepare your post in Word beforehand, for which some people may not have access to such a valuable application on their wee windaes PC's ;-)
I put two l's in application there, so I could have left myself wide open for severe punishment, but thankfully I corrected my (Human) error before proceeding! ;-)
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 4:38pm Thu 24 Jan 08
i cant really complain, i cant type worth a ****.
wee letters rule
i cant really complain, i cant type worth a ****.
wee letters rule
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 4:57pm Thu 24 Jan 08
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work.
Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Glamkitty - have you researched this? Many unemployed people do not have the skills or confidence to find work. I think you should try living in abject poverty for a week and see how confindence sapping this is. Kids grow up knowing nothing else and are conditioned by this. You really are quite a wee fascist.
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work.
Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Glamkitty - have you researched this? Many unemployed people do not have the skills or confidence to find work. I think you should try living in abject poverty for a week and see how confindence sapping this is. Kids grow up knowing nothing else and are conditioned by this. You really are quite a wee fascist.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:02pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]AndrewM[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.[/quote] Perhaps the Skills Academy could be used to put them through training. If they don't turn up or drop out then they shouldn't get any benefits.[/quote] If that is going to be the case and these people are then of course going to turn to crime to feed their habits we will have to lock them up costing far more than the measley amount they now get on benefits and there will not be enough prison places to go around meaning we have to build more prisons, your idea is a non starter in my opinion. I am glad you are not a politician.
AndrewM wrote:
glamkitty wrote: One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Perhaps the Skills Academy could be used to put them through training. If they don't turn up or drop out then they shouldn't get any benefits.
If that is going to be the case and these people are then of course going to turn to crime to feed their habits we will have to lock them up costing far more than the measley amount they now get on benefits and there will not be enough prison places to go around meaning we have to build more prisons, your idea is a non starter in my opinion. I am glad you are not a politician.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:03pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]BhoyWunda[/bold] wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue. Glamkitty - have you researched this? Many unemployed people do not have the skills or confidence to find work. I think you should try living in abject poverty for a week and see how confindence sapping this is. Kids grow up knowing nothing else and are conditioned by this. You really are quite a wee fascist.[/quote] Steady on there Bhoy, she hasn't been down Paddy's market for a good 20 years, so what chance has she got of seeing people who live in the back streets of Parkhead, Bridgeton, Haghill etc?
Most people don't want to know the meaning of such a scar on the city, however there are those like myslef who are keen to know and there are others who will help to eradicate it for good.
Maybe with the Glamkat coming on here, I'm sure she, as well as others will have a better understanding of the situation that we are currently faced with.
BhoyWunda wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue. Glamkitty - have you researched this? Many unemployed people do not have the skills or confidence to find work. I think you should try living in abject poverty for a week and see how confindence sapping this is. Kids grow up knowing nothing else and are conditioned by this. You really are quite a wee fascist.
Steady on there Bhoy, she hasn't been down Paddy's market for a good 20 years, so what chance has she got of seeing people who live in the back streets of Parkhead, Bridgeton, Haghill etc?
Most people don't want to know the meaning of such a scar on the city, however there are those like myslef who are keen to know and there are others who will help to eradicate it for good.
Maybe with the Glamkat coming on here, I'm sure she, as well as others will have a better understanding of the situation that we are currently faced with.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:04pm Thu 24 Jan 08
As for the quite frankly illness inducing figure of 10,000 new jobs in the area is he talking about all the council work that will be done in the area or actual jobs which contribute rather than sponge from the econemy.
As for the quite frankly illness inducing figure of 10,000 new jobs in the area is he talking about all the council work that will be done in the area or actual jobs which contribute rather than sponge from the econemy.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 5:07pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.[/quote] Do you work yourself?? It's just that your attitude sounds like that of a woman who spends all day watching the Jeremy Kyle show, while hubby is out working to fund your credit-card sprees on the High Street.. like your typical west-end/southside luvvies, I suppose!
The likes of you and these ET journalists wouldn't last 2 minutes walking down Springfield Road.. aka the street of no return. I bet you wouldn't even drive down there in your husband's Bentley!
The regeneration of the east end will only be complete when we start reading about the ET being outraged by a new homeless hostel being opened in the east end.. or about a park being closed there!!
glamkitty wrote:
Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.
Do you work yourself?? It's just that your attitude sounds like that of a woman who spends all day watching the Jeremy Kyle show, while hubby is out working to fund your credit-card sprees on the High Street.. like your typical west-end/southside luvvies, I suppose!
The likes of you and these ET journalists wouldn't last 2 minutes walking down Springfield Road.. aka the street of no return. I bet you wouldn't even drive down there in your husband's Bentley!
The regeneration of the east end will only be complete when we start reading about the ET being outraged by a new homeless hostel being opened in the east end.. or about a park being closed there!!
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:11pm Thu 24 Jan 08
There hasn't been ten thousand jobs in that part of the city since they started building the new stadium there and 9879 jobseekers stopped signing on for a week while they watched the stadium go up they were employed as kind of unofficial observers.
There hasn't been ten thousand jobs in that part of the city since they started building the new stadium there and 9879 jobseekers stopped signing on for a week while they watched the stadium go up they were employed as kind of unofficial observers.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 5:12pm Thu 24 Jan 08
10,000 jobs for locals - I cant see it ...
Most of the construction work will be provided by contractors from down south ...
10,000 jobs for locals - I cant see it ...
Most of the construction work will be provided by contractors from down south ...
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 5:26pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.[/quote] Do you work yourself?? It's just that your attitude sounds like that of a woman who spends all day watching the Jeremy Kyle show, while hubby is out working to fund your credit-card sprees on the High Street.. like your typical west-end/southside luvvies, I suppose! The likes of you and these ET journalists wouldn't last 2 minutes walking down Springfield Road.. aka the street of no return. I bet you wouldn't even drive down there in your husband's Bentley! The regeneration of the east end will only be complete when we start reading about the ET being outraged by a new homeless hostel being opened in the east end.. or about a park being closed there!![/quote] nah mate, thats the attitude of someone who not a dolesponger and doesnt appreciate their hard earned tax money goes to fund wee scumbags junk habits
and dont let the west end tag fool you, i'm an east end boy myself. i worked hard to get out of there, but i know my roots. there isn't a street in this country i wouldn't feel safe walking along.
so dont hit out with your "you know noting coz your no fae the east end pish" son
now run along and get your methadone
alexparade wrote:
glamkitty wrote: Yeah I know, MC, but a lot of these folk have been living off benefits for years and so frankly shouldnt really get the luxury of a choice! (and they wont have honours degrees...or anything like it) In my opinion, if you dont want to take work youre offered after that amount of time, you shouldnt get a bean.
Do you work yourself?? It's just that your attitude sounds like that of a woman who spends all day watching the Jeremy Kyle show, while hubby is out working to fund your credit-card sprees on the High Street.. like your typical west-end/southside luvvies, I suppose! The likes of you and these ET journalists wouldn't last 2 minutes walking down Springfield Road.. aka the street of no return. I bet you wouldn't even drive down there in your husband's Bentley! The regeneration of the east end will only be complete when we start reading about the ET being outraged by a new homeless hostel being opened in the east end.. or about a park being closed there!!
nah mate, thats the attitude of someone who not a dolesponger and doesnt appreciate their hard earned tax money goes to fund wee scumbags junk habits
and dont let the west end tag fool you, i'm an east end boy myself. i worked hard to get out of there, but i know my roots. there isn't a street in this country i wouldn't feel safe walking along.
so dont hit out with your "you know noting coz your no fae the east end pish" son
now run along and get your methadone
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 5:28pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Ho, hummm.... 10,000, 20,000, 100,000 jobs, it's all a lot of spin... last week I exposed how Labour had said in 2001 that more than 3,000 jobs would be created at the city centre science park, yet the site remains derelict and the number of jobs has been changed to 1600 seven years later. It's all pie-in-the-sky stuff!
[quote]The Evening Times told yesterday how a patch of East End land worth just £45,000 in 1989 is to net its owners £5.5million of public cash - because it's needed for the Commonwealth Games.[/quote]
This is the real story of the year so far:
£5.5million wasted because incompetent councillors - full supported by an incompetent leader - were unable to secure important land at a decent price BEFORE releasing the Diddy Games 2014 blueprint.
[bold]Resign now Purcell, before you do the city yet more irreparable damage![/bold]
Ho, hummm.... 10,000, 20,000, 100,000 jobs, it's all a lot of spin... last week I exposed how Labour had said in 2001 that more than 3,000 jobs would be created at the city centre science park, yet the site remains derelict and the number of jobs has been changed to 1600 seven years later. It's all pie-in-the-sky stuff!
The Evening Times told yesterday how a patch of East End land worth just £45,000 in 1989 is to net its owners £5.5million of public cash - because it's needed for the Commonwealth Games.
This is the real story of the year so far:
£5.5million wasted because incompetent councillors - full supported by an incompetent leader - were unable to secure important land at a decent price BEFORE releasing the Diddy Games 2014 blueprint.
Resign now Purcell, before you do the city yet more irreparable damage! Posted by: hugo, south side on 5:52pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work.
Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.[/quote] Sorry to say it but, this is a simplistic and moronic response to a very serious and legitimate problem. Yes there is a small element. of people who have no intention of working. However, it is a very small element,
The real issue in relation to Glasgow's unemployment problem is that large numbers of people, mostly in peripheral schemes do not have adequate skills for any type of employment. Being an employer, I am constantly horrified at the lack of educational and social skills of many people who are apply for jobs we advertise.
Many of these people have such chaotic lifestyle that they are unable to view there life's in more than 1 day chunks at a time, this is no use to employers, and is one of the reasons why i employ migrant workers who are better skilled and more focused, interestingly many of these workers have better reading, writing and language skills than local people.
glamkitty wrote:
One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work.
Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Sorry to say it but, this is a simplistic and moronic response to a very serious and legitimate problem. Yes there is a small element. of people who have no intention of working. However, it is a very small element,
The real issue in relation to Glasgow's unemployment problem is that large numbers of people, mostly in peripheral schemes do not have adequate skills for any type of employment. Being an employer, I am constantly horrified at the lack of educational and social skills of many people who are apply for jobs we advertise.
Many of these people have such chaotic lifestyle that they are unable to view there life's in more than 1 day chunks at a time, this is no use to employers, and is one of the reasons why i employ migrant workers who are better skilled and more focused, interestingly many of these workers have better reading, writing and language skills than local people.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 5:59pm Thu 24 Jan 08
that and you can do it off the books at 6p an hour
that and you can do it off the books at 6p an hour
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 6:41pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Hugo your skills in writing a paragraph are found woefully lacking and display all the qualities which you deride. they view their lives not over there why I employ yourself being one of the aforementioned local people whose reading and writing could do with a little tune up or a copy and paste to word for a good spellcheck. I went to school with a few of the folk who idolised dole junkies and unsurprisingly they went on to acheive their ambition in this country.
Hugo your skills in writing a paragraph are found woefully lacking and display all the qualities which you deride. they view their lives not over there why I employ yourself being one of the aforementioned local people whose reading and writing could do with a little tune up or a copy and paste to word for a good spellcheck. I went to school with a few of the folk who idolised dole junkies and unsurprisingly they went on to acheive their ambition in this country.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 8:05pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
Hugo your skills in writing a paragraph are found woefully lacking and display all the qualities which you deride. they view their lives not over there why I employ yourself being one of the aforementioned local people whose reading and writing could do with a little tune up or a copy and paste to word for a good spellcheck. I went to school with a few of the folk who idolised dole junkies and unsurprisingly they went on to acheive their ambition in this country. [/quote] "they view their lives not over there why I employ yourself being one of the aforementioned local people"
"I went to school with a few of the folk who idolised dole junkies"
THE WORDS POT KETTLE AND BLACK spring to mind Mr Grammar Police Pr*ck
jonny bond wrote:
Hugo your skills in writing a paragraph are found woefully lacking and display all the qualities which you deride. they view their lives not over there why I employ yourself being one of the aforementioned local people whose reading and writing could do with a little tune up or a copy and paste to word for a good spellcheck. I went to school with a few of the folk who idolised dole junkies and unsurprisingly they went on to acheive their ambition in this country.
"they view their lives not over there why I employ yourself being one of the aforementioned local people"
"I went to school with a few of the folk who idolised dole junkies"
THE WORDS POT KETTLE AND BLACK spring to mind Mr Grammar Police Pr*ck
Posted by: hugo, south side on 8:10pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
As for the quite frankly illness inducing figure of 10,000 new jobs in the area is he talking about all the council work that will be done in the area or actual jobs which contribute rather than sponge from the econemy.[/quote] So Mr Grammar Police Pr*ck !
What was it you were saying about grammar and paragraph construction !!
jonny bond wrote:
As for the quite frankly illness inducing figure of 10,000 new jobs in the area is he talking about all the council work that will be done in the area or actual jobs which contribute rather than sponge from the econemy.
So Mr Grammar Police Pr*ck !
What was it you were saying about grammar and paragraph construction !!
Posted by: hugo, south side on 8:14pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]AndrewM[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.[/quote] Perhaps the Skills Academy could be used to put them through training. If they don't turn up or drop out then they shouldn't get any benefits.[/quote] If that is going to be the case and these people are then of course going to turn to crime to feed their habits we will have to lock them up costing far more than the measley amount they now get on benefits and there will not be enough prison places to go around meaning we have to build more prisons, your idea is a non starter in my opinion. I am glad you are not a politician.[/quote] Dear dear Mr Grammar Police Pr*ck !! (jonny bond)
This is great fun, did you not have enough full-stops, or in your case fool-stops for this alleged paragraph. LOL
jonny bond wrote:
AndrewM wrote:
glamkitty wrote: One big problem, of course, is that many of the unemployed in the east end (and the whole city in fact) are unemployed through choice. They dont WANT to work. Id rather see some sort of plan to address that issue.
Perhaps the Skills Academy could be used to put them through training. If they don't turn up or drop out then they shouldn't get any benefits.
If that is going to be the case and these people are then of course going to turn to crime to feed their habits we will have to lock them up costing far more than the measley amount they now get on benefits and there will not be enough prison places to go around meaning we have to build more prisons, your idea is a non starter in my opinion. I am glad you are not a politician.
Dear dear Mr Grammar Police Pr*ck !! (jonny bond)
This is great fun, did you not have enough full-stops, or in your case fool-stops for this alleged paragraph. LOL
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 8:40pm Thu 24 Jan 08
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i meant to say don'y
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honesy i did
Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 9:50pm Thu 24 Jan 08
will these 10,000 workers be paid danger money for venturing into east end/zombie land?.as for the ones with cars they would be as well scrapping them now
will these 10,000 workers be paid danger money for venturing into east end/zombie land?.as for the ones with cars they would be as well scrapping them now
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 10:04pm Thu 24 Jan 08
look!
willie left a message wi no mention of the bible!
look!
willie left a message wi no mention of the bible!
Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 10:28pm Thu 24 Jan 08
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote:
look! willie left a message wi no mention of the bible![/quote] you're right yerauldda,reason was i thought i had no more booze left and this disgusted me to the point where i lost all faith but praise the lord as i found a dozen cans of lager and an almost full bottle of whisky,this has restored my faith with a vengeance hallelujah and god bless
yerauldda wrote:
look! willie left a message wi no mention of the bible!
you're right yerauldda,reason was i thought i had no more booze left and this disgusted me to the point where i lost all faith but praise the lord as i found a dozen cans of lager and an almost full bottle of whisky,this has restored my faith with a vengeance hallelujah and god bless
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:25am Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote: look! willie left a message wi no mention of the bible![/quote] you're right yerauldda,reason was i thought i had no more booze left and this disgusted me to the point where i lost all faith but praise the lord as i found a dozen cans of lager and an almost full bottle of whisky,this has restored my faith with a vengeance hallelujah and god bless[/quote] I reckon he'll be sleeping through one hell of a hangover right now (unless he had a pint of water before going to bed)
Sometimes I sympathise with those who drink or get out there faces on drugs, this place is enough to drive anybody mental, so I suppose any kind of sedative to block out the ills that come with living in Glasgow is of the upmost importance, otherwise you'd end up scrapping wi polis or burning down the city chambers.
Good on Ye Big Man!
HOLY WILLIE wrote:
yerauldda wrote: look! willie left a message wi no mention of the bible!
you're right yerauldda,reason was i thought i had no more booze left and this disgusted me to the point where i lost all faith but praise the lord as i found a dozen cans of lager and an almost full bottle of whisky,this has restored my faith with a vengeance hallelujah and god bless
I reckon he'll be sleeping through one hell of a hangover right now (unless he had a pint of water before going to bed)
Sometimes I sympathise with those who drink or get out there faces on drugs, this place is enough to drive anybody mental, so I suppose any kind of sedative to block out the ills that come with living in Glasgow is of the upmost importance, otherwise you'd end up scrapping wi polis or burning down the city chambers.
Good on Ye Big Man!
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 10:16am Fri 25 Jan 08
TMC, Its no the bevvy or the drugs, its the bloody weather ...
TMC, Its no the bevvy or the drugs, its the bloody weather ...
Posted by: John McCormack, Glasgow on 10:37am Fri 25 Jan 08
The thing that I remember from the Gear project was the hundreds of trees that were planted, u can see them all over the east end, before that there was hardly any at all, 20 years later they,re still going strong
The thing that I remember from the Gear project was the hundreds of trees that were planted, u can see them all over the east end, before that there was hardly any at all, 20 years later they,re still going strong
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:56am Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
TMC, Its no the bevvy or the drugs, its the bloody weather ...[/quote] That as well, a catalogue of madness
Unfortunately, its stuff you can't sell,
Can't even give it away for free
[bold]:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-([/bold]
roor06 wrote:
TMC, Its no the bevvy or the drugs, its the bloody weather ...
That as well, a catalogue of madness
Unfortunately, its stuff you can't sell,
Can't even give it away for free
:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 1:55pm Fri 25 Jan 08
What joy! hundreds of new houses, they flat roofs are braw eh! Get the deck-chair oot will ya love, and feed the pigeons. That top chef Stefan of G of Wane should save a penny and move the Kelvin Park pub to the other (knod & a wink) side of the city.
What joy! hundreds of new houses, they flat roofs are braw eh! Get the deck-chair oot will ya love, and feed the pigeons. That top chef Stefan of G of Wane should save a penny and move the Kelvin Park pub to the other (knod & a wink) side of the city.
Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 3:47pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]HOLY WILLIE[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]yerauldda[/bold] wrote: look! willie left a message wi no mention of the bible![/quote] you're right yerauldda,reason was i thought i had no more booze left and this disgusted me to the point where i lost all faith but praise the lord as i found a dozen cans of lager and an almost full bottle of whisky,this has restored my faith with a vengeance hallelujah and god bless[/quote] I reckon he'll be sleeping through one hell of a hangover right now (unless he had a pint of water before going to bed) Sometimes I sympathise with those who drink or get out there faces on drugs, this place is enough to drive anybody mental, so I suppose any kind of sedative to block out the ills that come with living in Glasgow is of the upmost importance, otherwise you'd end up scrapping wi polis or burning down the city chambers. Good on Ye Big Man![/quote] I drank all my cans and the whisky and it was bloody good but i regret having the pint of water as this was probably the reason i pished the bed
The Missing City wrote:
HOLY WILLIE wrote: yerauldda wrote: look! willie left a message wi no mention of the bible!
you're right yerauldda,reason was i thought i had no more booze left and this disgusted me to the point where i lost all faith but praise the lord as i found a dozen cans of lager and an almost full bottle of whisky,this has restored my faith with a vengeance hallelujah and god bless
I reckon he'll be sleeping through one hell of a hangover right now (unless he had a pint of water before going to bed) Sometimes I sympathise with those who drink or get out there faces on drugs, this place is enough to drive anybody mental, so I suppose any kind of sedative to block out the ills that come with living in Glasgow is of the upmost importance, otherwise you'd end up scrapping wi polis or burning down the city chambers. Good on Ye Big Man!
I drank all my cans and the whisky and it was bloody good but i regret having the pint of water as this was probably the reason i pished the bed
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