Posted by: workinhard, Glasgow on 11:03am Fri 25 Jan 08
ET - can we possibly have a comments facility on the A737 accident story?
ET - can we possibly have a comments facility on the A737 accident story?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:37am Fri 25 Jan 08
Squinty Bridge in new cable crisis
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The showpiece Clyde Arc could be closed for six months
The broken cable straddles the roadway after breaking free
Glasgow's Squinty Bridge could be closed for six months following the discovery of a second damaged cable.
The £20 million road bridge has been closed for the past eight days after a support wire broke free and fell across the roadway below .
Now a crack has been discovered in another cable.
It was originally due to be closed for several weeks, but this has been extended after a crack was found in the structure during an inspection by engineers this afternoon.
At the request of Glasgow City Council, the Clydeport harbourmaster has closed the River Clyde to all traffic at the Arc.
A council spokesman said it was anticipated that the Arc, known locally as the "squinty bridge", would be closed for up to six months.
He said: "The bridge was closed last week following the failure of a steel component that connected one of the hangers to the arch.
"The casting that failed has been taken away for inspection and testing and the council, constructors and designers are still awaiting the results of this.
"We are carrying out inspections of all similar components on the bridge.
"In the course of an inspection today, a crack was found in another similar connector on a different hanger.
"The council has, as a precautionary measure, requested that all river traffic below the bridge be suspended until further notice."
The spokesman said the crack had appeared "very quickly".
He added that it was not clear if it had been caused as a result of the other cable snapping.
The council said the decision to close the river would have a "minimal" effect on traffic, as that stretch was rarely used for commercial purposes.
Publication date 24/01/08
[bold]Posted by: TRANSTUNNEL, europe on 7:42pm Thu 24 Jan 08[/bold]
[quote]Oh well not much of a surprise there then , at least common sense is prevailing as far as public safety is concerned
Oh well not much of a surprise there then , at least common sense is prevailing as far as public safety is concerned[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: hugo, south side on 7:55pm Thu 24 Jan 08[/bold]
[quote]The most important consideration at this point is that the inspection and resolution process is carried out in a speedy manner to ensure that the bridge re-opens as soon as possible. It is also important that the process is transparent and that there is no additional cost to the taxpayer in what appears to be a manufacturing or construction issue. In-fact surely there is a case for the council to be compensated should negligent manufacturing or construction be the cause of the problem.
The most important consideration at this point is that the inspection and resolution process is carried out in a speedy manner to ensure that the bridge re-opens as soon as possible.
It is also important that the process is transparent and that there is no additional cost to the taxpayer in what appears to be a manufacturing or construction issue. In-fact surely there is a case for the council to be compensated should negligent manufacturing or construction be the cause of the problem.[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 9:06pm Thu 24 Jan 08[/bold]
[quote]They word on the street is *the quinty bridge is falling down,falling down,,,
They word on the street is *the quinty bridge is falling down,falling down,,,[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: Jim on 9:22pm Thu 24 Jan 08[/bold]
[quote]Nothing works in this country[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 9:43pm Thu 24 Jan 08[/bold]
[quote]Why is it other cities can get it right but Glasgow can't..The tower at govan, and now the defective bridge what next??[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 6:57am today[/bold]
[quote]Squinty bridge is right![/quote]
[bold]Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:16am today[/bold]
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: Why is it other cities can get it right but Glasgow can't..The tower at govan, and now the defective bridge what next??[/quote]
Old fashioned building methods don't seem to work any more That seems to be in the dark ages Apart from that, this practice will continue - so yes, Glasgow seems to be the leader in things falling apart when new, if its not buildings its bridges.
Of course London's millennium bridge was swaying all over the place in high winds. What is the mental difficulty in building bridges like they did in Thomas Telford's day? As a Scotsman, is his craft seen as being out of date, he was an architect as well as being an engineer - who can match that these days? Hmmmmm
[bold]Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 9:32am today[/bold]
[quote]Most of Telford's bridges are closed to traffic too! Horses and carts fine, HGVs? Nah. But then at least Telford's bridges did what they were designed to do, whereas this this one...[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: newman, glasgow on 9:33am today[/bold]
[quote]why not get the lift engineers who are always fixing the science centre to have a look at it.[/quote]
[bold]Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:46am today[/bold]
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote: Most of Telford's bridges are closed to traffic too! Horses and carts fine, HGVs? Nah. But then at least Telford's bridges did what they were designed to do, whereas this this one...[/quote]
Spot on Brad, but although his bridges are solid, traffic in the late 1700's and all through the 1800's did not consist of the traffic we see today obviously. His engineering excellence is an embarrassment to those who design bridges today, must be too comlicated for these half wits who make out these things are the symbols of a bright new dawn and all the other p1sh they come out with blah de blah and so on (why do they continue to make a pure arse of themselves? Especially here where he (Thomas Telford) comes from - look at the Forth Road Bridge - pure comedy!
[bold]Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:07am today[/bold]
[quote][bold]Jim[/bold] wrote: Nothing works in this country[/quote]
Just a thought, maybe the people that work on these projects got their degrees off the Internet!
Squinty Bridge in new cable crisis
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The showpiece Clyde Arc could be closed for six months
The broken cable straddles the roadway after breaking free
Glasgow's Squinty Bridge could be closed for six months following the discovery of a second damaged cable.
The £20 million road bridge has been closed for the past eight days after a support wire broke free and fell across the roadway below .
Now a crack has been discovered in another cable.
It was originally due to be closed for several weeks, but this has been extended after a crack was found in the structure during an inspection by engineers this afternoon.
At the request of Glasgow City Council, the Clydeport harbourmaster has closed the River Clyde to all traffic at the Arc.
A council spokesman said it was anticipated that the Arc, known locally as the "squinty bridge", would be closed for up to six months.
He said: "The bridge was closed last week following the failure of a steel component that connected one of the hangers to the arch.
"The casting that failed has been taken away for inspection and testing and the council, constructors and designers are still awaiting the results of this.
"We are carrying out inspections of all similar components on the bridge.
"In the course of an inspection today, a crack was found in another similar connector on a different hanger.
"The council has, as a precautionary measure, requested that all river traffic below the bridge be suspended until further notice."
The spokesman said the crack had appeared "very quickly".
He added that it was not clear if it had been caused as a result of the other cable snapping.
The council said the decision to close the river would have a "minimal" effect on traffic, as that stretch was rarely used for commercial purposes.
Publication date 24/01/08
Posted by: TRANSTUNNEL, europe on 7:42pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Oh well not much of a surprise there then , at least common sense is prevailing as far as public safety is concerned
Oh well not much of a surprise there then , at least common sense is prevailing as far as public safety is concerned
Posted by: hugo, south side on 7:55pm Thu 24 Jan 08
The most important consideration at this point is that the inspection and resolution process is carried out in a speedy manner to ensure that the bridge re-opens as soon as possible. It is also important that the process is transparent and that there is no additional cost to the taxpayer in what appears to be a manufacturing or construction issue. In-fact surely there is a case for the council to be compensated should negligent manufacturing or construction be the cause of the problem.
The most important consideration at this point is that the inspection and resolution process is carried out in a speedy manner to ensure that the bridge re-opens as soon as possible.
It is also important that the process is transparent and that there is no additional cost to the taxpayer in what appears to be a manufacturing or construction issue. In-fact surely there is a case for the council to be compensated should negligent manufacturing or construction be the cause of the problem.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 9:06pm Thu 24 Jan 08
They word on the street is *the quinty bridge is falling down,falling down,,,
They word on the street is *the quinty bridge is falling down,falling down,,,
Posted by: Jim on 9:22pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Nothing works in this country
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 9:43pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Why is it other cities can get it right but Glasgow can't..The tower at govan, and now the defective bridge what next??
Posted by: Lowflo, Glasgow on 6:57am today
Squinty bridge is right!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:16am today
jrb wrote: Why is it other cities can get it right but Glasgow can't..The tower at govan, and now the defective bridge what next??
Old fashioned building methods don't seem to work any more That seems to be in the dark ages Apart from that, this practice will continue - so yes, Glasgow seems to be the leader in things falling apart when new, if its not buildings its bridges.
Of course London's millennium bridge was swaying all over the place in high winds. What is the mental difficulty in building bridges like they did in Thomas Telford's day? As a Scotsman, is his craft seen as being out of date, he was an architect as well as being an engineer - who can match that these days? Hmmmmm
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 9:32am today
Most of Telford's bridges are closed to traffic too! Horses and carts fine, HGVs? Nah. But then at least Telford's bridges did what they were designed to do, whereas this this one...
Posted by: newman, glasgow on 9:33am today
why not get the lift engineers who are always fixing the science centre to have a look at it.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:46am today
Brad wrote: Most of Telford's bridges are closed to traffic too! Horses and carts fine, HGVs? Nah. But then at least Telford's bridges did what they were designed to do, whereas this this one...
Spot on Brad, but although his bridges are solid, traffic in the late 1700's and all through the 1800's did not consist of the traffic we see today obviously. His engineering excellence is an embarrassment to those who design bridges today, must be too comlicated for these half wits who make out these things are the symbols of a bright new dawn and all the other p1sh they come out with blah de blah and so on (why do they continue to make a pure arse of themselves? Especially here where he (Thomas Telford) comes from - look at the Forth Road Bridge - pure comedy!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:07am today
Jim wrote: Nothing works in this country
Just a thought, maybe the people that work on these projects got their degrees off the Internet!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:34pm Fri 25 Jan 08
A tale of two headlines...
[bold]NEW BRIDGE A SYMBOL OF FIGHT AGAINST POVERTY[/bold]
[italic]Sunday Express, Sunday 22nd October 2006[/italic]
[bold]BRIDGE COLLAPSE FEAR[/bold]
[italic]Daily Record, Friday 25th January 2008[/italic]
Glasgow City Council's incompetence is quite breathtaking!
A tale of two headlines...
NEW BRIDGE A SYMBOL OF FIGHT AGAINST POVERTY
Sunday Express, Sunday 22nd October 2006
BRIDGE COLLAPSE FEAR
Daily Record, Friday 25th January 2008
Glasgow City Council's incompetence is quite breathtaking!
Posted by: ParisLoyal, Paris on 12:39pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Bridges, Building, Airplanes, Ships etc,. are all built based on designs that have been drawn on CAD or a variant,then the design is put through a Finite Element Modelling process where the strength of the structure and fatigue are assessed.
The problems with this methodology is that it is used to reduce the materials used to build these items to an 'efficient' level based on the factors of safety built into the computer modelling technique.
Unfortunately, buildings fall down, bridge cables break under the strain, airplanes crash just before landing on the runway and ships break in two - all having been designed by computer and virtually built by computer.
The problem is with the factors of safety built in. Computer technology is such that it is now easy to play with the calculations to minimise building expenditure all the while Factors-of-Safety are constantly being 'modernised'.
In the 1800's a factior of safety of 4 was not uncommon - of course the F.O.S. can now be reduced to 1.25 due to computer technology modelling that 'proves' that the F.O.S. can be reduced.
Risk assessments are carried out on methodologies of construction and for safety during building and operation (e.g. driving in 2 lanes instead of Dual Carriageway) but no risk assessment that I have ever heard of takes into consideration the risk to life, local economy or even time difficulties should the bloody thing sink, crash, fall apart or break.
Maybe its time to go back to a factor of safet of 43 for ship's and bridges.
Bridges, Building, Airplanes, Ships etc,. are all built based on designs that have been drawn on CAD or a variant,then the design is put through a Finite Element Modelling process where the strength of the structure and fatigue are assessed.
The problems with this methodology is that it is used to reduce the materials used to build these items to an 'efficient' level based on the factors of safety built into the computer modelling technique.
Unfortunately, buildings fall down, bridge cables break under the strain, airplanes crash just before landing on the runway and ships break in two - all having been designed by computer and virtually built by computer.
The problem is with the factors of safety built in. Computer technology is such that it is now easy to play with the calculations to minimise building expenditure all the while Factors-of-Safety are constantly being 'modernised'.
In the 1800's a factior of safety of 4 was not uncommon - of course the F.O.S. can now be reduced to 1.25 due to computer technology modelling that 'proves' that the F.O.S. can be reduced.
Risk assessments are carried out on methodologies of construction and for safety during building and operation (e.g. driving in 2 lanes instead of Dual Carriageway) but no risk assessment that I have ever heard of takes into consideration the risk to life, local economy or even time difficulties should the bloody thing sink, crash, fall apart or break.
Maybe its time to go back to a factor of safet of 43 for ship's and bridges.
Posted by: ParisLoyal, Paris on 12:41pm Fri 25 Jan 08
That should read "factor of safety of 4" ........ or even greater
That should read "factor of safety of 4" ........ or even greater
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 1:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Posted by: AndrewM, Shawlands, Glasgow on 1:25pm Fri 25 Jan 08
I bet all the luvvies at the BBC will be furious. The BBC refused to move to Pacific Quay unless there was a bridge to carry staff from the West End. Original plan was that the bridge would only serve the Pacific Quay site but this fell foul of European law.
I bet all the luvvies at the BBC will be furious. The BBC refused to move to Pacific Quay unless there was a bridge to carry staff from the West End. Original plan was that the bridge would only serve the Pacific Quay site but this fell foul of European law.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 1:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Now been discover that a second cable is making a bid for freedom. Big Alex, out on patrol from the parliament commented, this is calling to all of Scotland, the pressure has broke & is adding further too from the cracking up. Culture Minister Alls Fab commented, such an independent straddle for freedom should be applauded, why hold them back, now is the time to break free & show the world we can walk alone. The South African student,the bridges designer, now alledged to be hiding in the GHA was unavailable for comment.
Now been discover that a second cable is making a bid for freedom. Big Alex, out on patrol from the parliament commented, this is calling to all of Scotland, the pressure has broke & is adding further too from the cracking up. Culture Minister Alls Fab commented, such an independent straddle for freedom should be applauded, why hold them back, now is the time to break free & show the world we can walk alone. The South African student,the bridges designer, now alledged to be hiding in the GHA was unavailable for comment.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:24pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Exactly... maybe it's a desperate attempt by the Arc itself to rise up and get away from this badly mis-managed city of ours!
Exactly... maybe it's a desperate attempt by the Arc itself to rise up and get away from this badly mis-managed city of ours!
Posted by: bubbleman, london on 2:57pm Fri 25 Jan 08
The biggest shock to me is that the Kingston bridge is still standing!
The biggest shock to me is that the Kingston bridge is still standing!
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 3:32pm Fri 25 Jan 08
bubbleman ...
Was there not a song that went - London Bridge is falling down, falling down ... :-)
bubbleman ...
Was there not a song that went - London Bridge is falling down, falling down ... :-)
Posted by: Ian on 4:26pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
Only in Scotland. What a joke. [/quote] Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
GAW wrote:
Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 5:00pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Another major Scottish engineering project that happens to be a bodge job.
Ye couldny make it up ,lol.
Another major Scottish engineering project that happens to be a bodge job.
Ye couldny make it up ,lol.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:08pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke. [/quote] Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?[/quote] You!
Why don't you just snap, and do us all a favour, your insulting post on the [bold]£100k Games Boss[/bold] story was enough for me you evil vile specimen of a human being!
Come to think of it, why haven't you said anything regarding the above?
I could copy and paste if you don't fancy scrolling probably because your too busy playing with you 2 inch pecker, but I reckon you would be infuriated, which can't be a bad thing
HA HA HA
Ian wrote:
GAW wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
You!
Why don't you just snap, and do us all a favour, your insulting post on the
£100k Games Boss story was enough for me you evil vile specimen of a human being!
Come to think of it, why haven't you said anything regarding the above?
I could copy and paste if you don't fancy scrolling probably because your too busy playing with you 2 inch pecker, but I reckon you would be infuriated, which can't be a bad thing
HA HA HA
Posted by: George Brown, glasgow on 5:26pm Fri 25 Jan 08
A bridge of similar design spans the A8 at the Goggaburn end of Edinburgh and gives vehicular access to Royal Bank of Scotland premises, there is a slight difference of stay 'wire' fixtures to the arch and to the best of my knowledge this structure has been trouble free for all the years that I have been aware of the its existence.
The only queries I have of the structure in Glasgow, are, where were the defective components manufactured?
If they are of steel composition, where did the steel come from? i.e. was it imported?
A bridge of similar design spans the A8 at the Goggaburn end of Edinburgh and gives vehicular access to Royal Bank of Scotland premises, there is a slight difference of stay 'wire' fixtures to the arch and to the best of my knowledge this structure has been trouble free for all the years that I have been aware of the its existence.
The only queries I have of the structure in Glasgow, are, where were the defective components manufactured?
If they are of steel composition, where did the steel come from? i.e. was it imported?
Posted by: Murraymint, Kilbarchan on 5:47pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke. [/quote] Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?[/quote] You! Why don't you just snap, and do us all a favour, your insulting post on the [bold]£100k Games Boss[/bold] story was enough for me you evil vile specimen of a human being! Come to think of it, why haven't you said anything regarding the above? I could copy and paste if you don't fancy scrolling probably because your too busy playing with you 2 inch pecker, but I reckon you would be infuriated, which can't be a bad thing HA HA HA[/quote] You're pretty good at hurling insults yourself.
"Evil, vile specimen of a human being, 2 inch pecker", what's all that about?
As I've said on this site before, there are certain posters who think that abuse and foul language are alternatives to argument, which they definitely are not, and I think that the time is well overdue when the ET should invoke its "terms of use" to ensure that these posters keep within the rules.
Incidentally, why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge? Problems with new projects don't just occur in Glasgow or indeed Scotland, but the world over. Authorities only commission projects, and receive compensation if faults occur during the guarantee period.
The Missing City wrote:
Ian wrote: GAW wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
You! Why don't you just snap, and do us all a favour, your insulting post on the £100k Games Boss story was enough for me you evil vile specimen of a human being! Come to think of it, why haven't you said anything regarding the above? I could copy and paste if you don't fancy scrolling probably because your too busy playing with you 2 inch pecker, but I reckon you would be infuriated, which can't be a bad thing HA HA HA
You're pretty good at hurling insults yourself.
"Evil, vile specimen of a human being, 2 inch pecker", what's all that about?
As I've said on this site before, there are certain posters who think that abuse and foul language are alternatives to argument, which they definitely are not, and I think that the time is well overdue when the ET should invoke its "terms of use" to ensure that these posters keep within the rules.
Incidentally, why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge? Problems with new projects don't just occur in Glasgow or indeed Scotland, but the world over. Authorities only commission projects, and receive compensation if faults occur during the guarantee period.
Posted by: Cityboy, Bishopbriggs on 6:58pm Fri 25 Jan 08
I put it to you MR Brian Sweeney.
You wee orange toy boat seems to be missing in action!!! Did the polmadie boys go out for a play and leave it doon the water? OOPS dear dear, hope the council put signs up telling people not to jump for 6 months.
I put it to you MR Brian Sweeney.
You wee orange toy boat seems to be missing in action!!! Did the polmadie boys go out for a play and leave it doon the water? OOPS dear dear, hope the council put signs up telling people not to jump for 6 months.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 7:05pm Fri 25 Jan 08
£20 million ...
How can they justify this ???
Its only concrete and steel ...
£20 million ...
How can they justify this ???
Its only concrete and steel ...
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 7:17pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote]Posted by: Ian on 4:26pm today
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke. [/quote] Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
GAW wrote:
Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next[/quote] These hoddy-doddy bridge designers should clear out and go back to Brunel.
Posted by: Ian on 4:26pm today
GAW wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
GAW wrote:
Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next
These hoddy-doddy bridge designers should clear out and go back to Brunel.
Posted by: Mekon, Dromus 4b on 7:41pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Murraymint : Incidentally, why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults
Having some experience of projects (but not this particular bridge) I wholeheartedly agree with your observations. But, of course, the actualite would prevent the hordes of 'experts' in these forums (whose expertise in anything is usually very difficult to detect)from engaging in their ignorant and vitriolic attacks.
Murraymint : Incidentally, why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults
Having some experience of projects (but not this particular bridge) I wholeheartedly agree with your observations. But, of course, the actualite would prevent the hordes of 'experts' in these forums (whose expertise in anything is usually very difficult to detect)from engaging in their ignorant and vitriolic attacks.
Posted by: mick, Glasgow on 8:34pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Murraymint : why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge?
Because they are the ones that rushed in and commissioned these glitzy projects on some glib idiot's sayso.
You get what you vote for but the city is still lucky.We avoided the tower they were planning to build in St Enoch Sq and commonsense and squealling stopped them from desecrating by building on Glasgow Green.The downside is that mentality is still alive and well in George Square.
Witness the tree swingers moving into Pollok Park.
Murraymint : why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge?
Because they are the ones that rushed in and commissioned these glitzy projects on some glib idiot's sayso.
You get what you vote for but the city is still lucky.We avoided the tower they were planning to build in St Enoch Sq and commonsense and squealling stopped them from desecrating by building on Glasgow Green.The downside is that mentality is still alive and well in George Square.
Witness the tree swingers moving into Pollok Park.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 9:17pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Maybe they should get some nuclear engineers to oversee the bridge design. After all nuclear power stations are claimed to be extremely safe!
Maybe they should get some nuclear engineers to oversee the bridge design. After all nuclear power stations are claimed to be extremely safe!
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 9:59pm Fri 25 Jan 08
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again.
They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative.
Small minds = small ideas, if any!
You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives.
Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again.
They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative.
Small minds = small ideas, if any!
You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives.
Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 10:04pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]workinhard[/bold] wrote:
ET - can we possibly have a comments facility on the A737 accident story?[/quote] Unfortunately the knuckle dragging cretins I referred in my previous post's vitriolic, racist, bigotted comments is what is limiting our ability for adult debate on this site.
workinhard wrote:
ET - can we possibly have a comments facility on the A737 accident story?
Unfortunately the knuckle dragging cretins I referred in my previous post's vitriolic, racist, bigotted comments is what is limiting our ability for adult debate on this site.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 10:26pm Fri 25 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Lets be honest, Anything you read on this site will never change the world,however,I suggest you need a wee counselling session to get rid of your pent up anger ...
You have just self-projected ...
jimmyk wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Lets be honest, Anything you read on this site will never change the world,however,I suggest you need a wee counselling session to get rid of your pent up anger ...
You have just self-projected ...
Posted by: Cityboy, Bishopbriggs on 1:48am Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]mick[/bold] wrote:
Murraymint : why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge? Because they are the ones that rushed in and commissioned these glitzy projects on some glib idiot's sayso. You get what you vote for but the city is still lucky.We avoided the tower they were planning to build in St Enoch Sq and commonsense and squealling stopped them from desecrating by building on Glasgow Green.The downside is that mentality is still alive and well in George Square. Witness the tree swingers moving into Pollok Park.[/quote] You say Glasgow Green no building haha do u not listen to the grapevine? Think theres something in the pipeline!!!!! another park another building in it. I want to graze my sheep lol
mick wrote:
Murraymint : why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge? Because they are the ones that rushed in and commissioned these glitzy projects on some glib idiot's sayso. You get what you vote for but the city is still lucky.We avoided the tower they were planning to build in St Enoch Sq and commonsense and squealling stopped them from desecrating by building on Glasgow Green.The downside is that mentality is still alive and well in George Square. Witness the tree swingers moving into Pollok Park.
You say Glasgow Green no building haha do u not listen to the grapevine? Think theres something in the pipeline!!!!! another park another building in it. I want to graze my sheep lol
Posted by: ionnsaigh, Glasgow on 9:42am Sat 26 Jan 08
The Squinty Bridge
Here you sit straddling the Clyde
between north and south - that great divide
bathed in blue - pleasing public eye
pale the light in winters dark sky
Conceived within mecanno set
born the thought - that Asimov book
you have the style - a modern look
defying logic - that shortest point between given two
You sprang a sprung - a sprung did sprang
big bang bellow beneath Broomilaw buildings
shockwaves swiftly stampede - send shivers shatter
city fathers cower - take cover - behind the dusty robes of officialdom
Are you the ones who approved the tower
the stairs we cannae use - the lift that disnae work
a bird that never flew - as fish that never swam
springs tae mind a tatty tower - a bridge to far
Ave grown tae love you - backdrop of evening news
colour shape form - artistic consideration - lifts these Glasgow winter blues
she sprung a sprang - sprang sprung severed steel - we got the bridge they the wheel
squinty sings sweet sharp song - she sprung a sprang she sprang a sprung.
The Squinty Bridge
Here you sit straddling the Clyde
between north and south - that great divide
bathed in blue - pleasing public eye
pale the light in winters dark sky
Conceived within mecanno set
born the thought - that Asimov book
you have the style - a modern look
defying logic - that shortest point between given two
You sprang a sprung - a sprung did sprang
big bang bellow beneath Broomilaw buildings
shockwaves swiftly stampede - send shivers shatter
city fathers cower - take cover - behind the dusty robes of officialdom
Are you the ones who approved the tower
the stairs we cannae use - the lift that disnae work
a bird that never flew - as fish that never swam
springs tae mind a tatty tower - a bridge to far
Ave grown tae love you - backdrop of evening news
colour shape form - artistic consideration - lifts these Glasgow winter blues
she sprung a sprang - sprang sprung severed steel - we got the bridge they the wheel
squinty sings sweet sharp song - she sprung a sprang she sprang a sprung.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 12:15pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again.
They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative.
Small minds = small ideas, if any!
You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives.
Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.
jimmyk wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again.
They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative.
Small minds = small ideas, if any!
You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives.
Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 1:53pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote: The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Lets be honest, Anything you read on this site will never change the world,however,I suggest you need a wee counselling session to get rid of your pent up anger ... You have just self-projected ... [/quote] Now you are psychiatrist as well? Wonders will never cease!!
And what would you base your assessment of me needing counselling sessions, your own experience?
I see the Great Scottish Malaise of "know-it-all-itis" is still rampant.
roor06 wrote:
jimmyk wrote: The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Lets be honest, Anything you read on this site will never change the world,however,I suggest you need a wee counselling session to get rid of your pent up anger ... You have just self-projected ...
Now you are psychiatrist as well? Wonders will never cease!!
And what would you base your assessment of me needing counselling sessions, your own experience?
I see the Great Scottish Malaise of "know-it-all-itis" is still rampant.
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 2:03pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote: The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.[/quote] I'm NOT a Labour supporter by any means, it just puzzles me why the subscribers to Paul De Beaumarchais' theory that "it is not necessary to understand things to argue about them" all seem to congrate in the ET website!
Frank wrote:
jimmyk wrote: The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.
I'm NOT a Labour supporter by any means, it just puzzles me why the subscribers to Paul De Beaumarchais' theory that "it is not necessary to understand things to argue about them" all seem to congrate in the ET website!
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 2:06pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote]Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.[/quote]
"Dynamic change" only around the waist line, and for many councillors that should be by way of reduction...
Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.
"Dynamic change" only around the waist line, and for many councillors that should be by way of reduction...
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 2:18pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote]Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 9:17pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Maybe they should get some nuclear engineers to oversee the bridge design. After all nuclear power stations are claimed to be extremely safe!
Maybe they should get some nuclear engineers to oversee the bridge design. After all nuclear power stations are claimed to be extremely safe![/quote]
Labour & politicians in general claim much, a claim is a claim, but factuality is a different reality & one more comfortable for the safety of another.
The bridge claimed safety from a design, that design arrived form millions of calculations from an eventual non-human form. Sadly the safety is proven untrue... Akin to many of GCCs as yet for many unproven health care policies and tied up (jointure) thinking, it places stresses in all directions leading to serious fatigue & sometimes death.
Glasgow was vurry lucky for that cable could have crashed onto a bus, or anyone of a single citizen crossing.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 9:17pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Maybe they should get some nuclear engineers to oversee the bridge design. After all nuclear power stations are claimed to be extremely safe!
Maybe they should get some nuclear engineers to oversee the bridge design. After all nuclear power stations are claimed to be extremely safe!
Labour & politicians in general claim much, a claim is a claim, but factuality is a different reality & one more comfortable for the safety of another.
The bridge claimed safety from a design, that design arrived form millions of calculations from an eventual non-human form. Sadly the safety is proven untrue... Akin to many of GCCs as yet for many unproven health care policies and tied up (jointure) thinking, it places stresses in all directions leading to serious fatigue & sometimes death.
Glasgow was vurry lucky for that cable could have crashed onto a bus, or anyone of a single citizen crossing.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 3:39pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote: The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.[/quote] Guys lighten up ...
Its a "newspaper" people are commenting on,and what sells newspapers - bad news .
Ergo - negativity galore ...
As for the council, yes, they are hard working individuals, squeezing money out of its citizens at every opportunity ...
Frank wrote:
jimmyk wrote: The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Quite agree JimmyK. The small minded of this site never have anything positive to say about the hard work the Labour Council has delivered for them. They are stick in the muds and want us to go back to living in caves. While the Labour Council stands for dynamic change and inclusion it is dificult to see where these malcontents fit in and that is their problem.
Guys lighten up ...
Its a "newspaper" people are commenting on,and what sells newspapers - bad news .
Ergo - negativity galore ...
As for the council, yes, they are hard working individuals, squeezing money out of its citizens at every opportunity ...
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:07pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Murraymint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke. [/quote] Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?[/quote] You! Why don't you just snap, and do us all a favour, your insulting post on the [bold]£100k Games Boss[/bold] story was enough for me you evil vile specimen of a human being! Come to think of it, why haven't you said anything regarding the above? I could copy and paste if you don't fancy scrolling probably because your too busy playing with you 2 inch pecker, but I reckon you would be infuriated, which can't be a bad thing HA HA HA[/quote] You're pretty good at hurling insults yourself. "Evil, vile specimen of a human being, 2 inch pecker", what's all that about? As I've said on this site before, there are certain posters who think that abuse and foul language are alternatives to argument, which they definitely are not, and I think that the time is well overdue when the ET should invoke its "terms of use" to ensure that these posters keep within the rules. Incidentally, why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge? Problems with new projects don't just occur in Glasgow or indeed Scotland, but the world over. Authorities only commission projects, and receive compensation if faults occur during the guarantee period. [/quote] Yes, Murraymint
I'm good at firing insults at those who fire insults at me.
You sling mud, it comes straight back at you
This guy Ian decided to have a go at me for some strange reason as if to undermine my integrity, never mind the 'integrity' of this bridge as the council would put it!
I found him to be rather abrupt and rude (and this isn't the first time either)
MOst of my posts are always usually relevant to the subject of the thread, some have written more than me in the past 5 months coming on here but sometimes I like to tell a story, offer background and without insulting other fellow posters, I like to inform and help people understand how dire the various situations and scenarios that go on all around us and how we got here in the first place.
Sometimes I may add comedy and sometimes I may be controversial, but hey - you walk along the street in some parts of Glasgow, and you won't believe your ears, take a ride on one of the various services (when they decide to appear) that Crap Bus has on offer (the one's that are crap) and that's where you'll come across some of society's darkest secrets.
Anyway, I haven't fired an insult in provocation, as I say this man should stop using the curtain that is the internet to be a b1tch when nothing was fired at him from me in the first place.
No doubt he'll say something otherwise, and to anybody else on here who may have been offended by my so-called insults in the other story, you can quite clearly see he was the instigator, however my apologies.
Sorry for the length of this post as well ;-)
Murraymint wrote:
The Missing City wrote: Ian wrote: GAW wrote: Only in Scotland. What a joke.
Just say it. The Clyde Arc, the Forth Road Bridge, the Holyrood Building! What next?
You! Why don't you just snap, and do us all a favour, your insulting post on the £100k Games Boss story was enough for me you evil vile specimen of a human being! Come to think of it, why haven't you said anything regarding the above? I could copy and paste if you don't fancy scrolling probably because your too busy playing with you 2 inch pecker, but I reckon you would be infuriated, which can't be a bad thing HA HA HA
You're pretty good at hurling insults yourself. "Evil, vile specimen of a human being, 2 inch pecker", what's all that about? As I've said on this site before, there are certain posters who think that abuse and foul language are alternatives to argument, which they definitely are not, and I think that the time is well overdue when the ET should invoke its "terms of use" to ensure that these posters keep within the rules. Incidentally, why is Glasgow Council to blame for design and construction faults in engineering projects like the Science Tower and the Arc bridge? Problems with new projects don't just occur in Glasgow or indeed Scotland, but the world over. Authorities only commission projects, and receive compensation if faults occur during the guarantee period.
Yes, Murraymint
I'm good at firing insults at those who fire insults at me.
You sling mud, it comes straight back at you
This guy Ian decided to have a go at me for some strange reason as if to undermine my integrity, never mind the 'integrity' of this bridge as the council would put it!
I found him to be rather abrupt and rude (and this isn't the first time either)
MOst of my posts are always usually relevant to the subject of the thread, some have written more than me in the past 5 months coming on here but sometimes I like to tell a story, offer background and without insulting other fellow posters, I like to inform and help people understand how dire the various situations and scenarios that go on all around us and how we got here in the first place.
Sometimes I may add comedy and sometimes I may be controversial, but hey - you walk along the street in some parts of Glasgow, and you won't believe your ears, take a ride on one of the various services (when they decide to appear) that Crap Bus has on offer (the one's that are crap) and that's where you'll come across some of society's darkest secrets.
Anyway, I haven't fired an insult in provocation, as I say this man should stop using the curtain that is the internet to be a b1tch when nothing was fired at him from me in the first place.
No doubt he'll say something otherwise, and to anybody else on here who may have been offended by my so-called insults in the other story, you can quite clearly see he was the instigator, however my apologies.
Sorry for the length of this post as well ;-)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:12pm Sat 26 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Oh yes, we're all pathetic (I stick up fo fellow posters when I say this) I've lived in all four sides of the city in my short life so far, I have also lived and went to school in a reputable part of South London, very close to where Margaret Thatcher resided.
When it comes to Glasgow - I for one can say that I live in the real world where real people live real lives, i'm pretty sure fellow posters on here do as well.
jimmyk wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Oh yes, we're all pathetic (I stick up fo fellow posters when I say this) I've lived in all four sides of the city in my short life so far, I have also lived and went to school in a reputable part of South London, very close to where Margaret Thatcher resided.
When it comes to Glasgow - I for one can say that I live in the real world where real people live real lives, i'm pretty sure fellow posters on here do as well.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 6:34pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I concurr TMC ...
I have dwelled all over Glasgow as well ...
(Sighthill,Barlarnoc
k,ruchill,maryhill,K
elvingrove,Cathkin,C
essnock,Possil.)
I"ve seen the real Glasgow ...
I live in the real world ...
Suspect , that some commentors on this site are fraustrated with their own tiny minds/life/wife/Kids
/work ...
Note how they hurl personal insults at people ...
Anyway, Ionnsaigh, superb ode to squinty bridge ... Do feel free to post more, negative or positive ...
I concurr TMC ...
I have dwelled all over Glasgow as well ...
(Sighthill,Barlarnoc
k,ruchill,maryhill,K
elvingrove,Cathkin,C
essnock,Possil.)
I"ve seen the real Glasgow ...
I live in the real world ...
Suspect , that some commentors on this site are fraustrated with their own tiny minds/life/wife/Kids
/work ...
Note how they hurl personal insults at people ...
Anyway, Ionnsaigh, superb ode to squinty bridge ... Do feel free to post more, negative or positive ...
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 1:53pm Sun 27 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jimmyk[/bold] wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.[/quote] Sorry the real worlds too dangerous,what with bridges on the verge of collapse,and people falling from the sky on top of you{go ape story in case you don't know}.So you stay in your world and I hope you get plenty of visitors, it must get lonely in those locked wards,!!!
jimmyk wrote:
The Usual Bunch of self appointed critics, and they know who they are, are at it again. They NEVER miss a chance to condemn, but NEVER offer anything constructive as an alternative. Small minds = small ideas, if any! You ALL need to switch off your lifeline to the ether world now and again and go outside into the real world where real people live real lives. Bloody pathetic, the lot of you.
Sorry the real worlds too dangerous,what with bridges on the verge of collapse,and people falling from the sky on top of you{go ape story in case you don't know}.So you stay in your world and I hope you get plenty of visitors, it must get lonely in those locked wards,!!!
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 1:01am Tue 29 Jan 08
Im a TAXI driver and would like to point out that since the bridge closure, my hires from the city centre to the science park/BBC building actually work out cheaper going via tradeston!!
Again this news paper getting it wrong as usual. If you want to test this hire and price, please feel free to contact me and we will video the route together....OH will you print the result it...I doubt it.
Im a TAXI driver and would like to point out that since the bridge closure, my hires from the city centre to the science park/BBC building actually work out cheaper going via tradeston!!
Again this news paper getting it wrong as usual. If you want to test this hire and price, please feel free to contact me and we will video the route together....OH will you print the result it...I doubt it.
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