Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:38am Thu 31 Jan 08
Where next,Dundasvale court Cowcaddens!These flats are near Subway stations,and Future crossrail stations.In Gorbals
Where next,Dundasvale court Cowcaddens!These flats are near Subway stations,and Future crossrail stations.In Gorbals
Posted by: LA, greece on 11:40am Thu 31 Jan 08
At last!The biggest eyesore in Glasgow.They should have been pulled down a long time ago.
At last!The biggest eyesore in Glasgow.They should have been pulled down a long time ago.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:02pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I dunno, if he's willing to stake his own (or the firm's) cash on people being willing to stay there and the block making money for the public purse, rather than costing money to demolish, then why not? The cash could be used to improve/extend Mutter's masterplan in other ways.
Some high-rises should be kept - they're part of Glasgow's history as much as tenements. The privately-owned one at Anniesland is a great success, I believe.
I dunno, if he's willing to stake his own (or the firm's) cash on people being willing to stay there and the block making money for the public purse, rather than costing money to demolish, then why not? The cash could be used to improve/extend Mutter's masterplan in other ways.
Some high-rises should be kept - they're part of Glasgow's history as much as tenements. The privately-owned one at Anniesland is a great success, I believe.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:08pm Thu 31 Jan 08
The Gorbals flats are on the doorstep of two of Scotland's busiest courthouses - they do nothing for the area and it seems this plan is all centred around restriction and continuing to hold the place back - people here hated these things so why all of a sudden do they need to be kept?
This part of the Gorbals it seems will be held in the dark ages, junkies breaking into yuppie cars, people being attacked in the wide open spaces that exist around these flats - they have hung over the Gorbals like a permanent grey cloud.
Modern slums, people piled on top of one another, but that's the way it SHOULD be according to some.
The Gorbals flats are on the doorstep of two of Scotland's busiest courthouses - they do nothing for the area and it seems this plan is all centred around restriction and continuing to hold the place back - people here hated these things so why all of a sudden do they need to be kept?
This part of the Gorbals it seems will be held in the dark ages, junkies breaking into yuppie cars, people being attacked in the wide open spaces that exist around these flats - they have hung over the Gorbals like a permanent grey cloud.
Modern slums, people piled on top of one another, but that's the way it SHOULD be according to some.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:16pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
I dunno, if he's willing to stake his own (or the firm's) cash on people being willing to stay there and the block making money for the public purse, rather than costing money to demolish, then why not? The cash could be used to improve/extend Mutter's masterplan in other ways. Some high-rises should be kept - they're part of Glasgow's history as much as tenements. The privately-owned one at Anniesland is a great success, I believe.[/quote] Anniesland is nothing like the Gorbals - at least nothing like this part of The Gorbals - passed these things every week for the past 20 years, they are smelly and depressing!
Brad wrote:
I dunno, if he's willing to stake his own (or the firm's) cash on people being willing to stay there and the block making money for the public purse, rather than costing money to demolish, then why not? The cash could be used to improve/extend Mutter's masterplan in other ways. Some high-rises should be kept - they're part of Glasgow's history as much as tenements. The privately-owned one at Anniesland is a great success, I believe.
Anniesland is nothing like the Gorbals - at least nothing like this part of The Gorbals - passed these things every week for the past 20 years, they are smelly and depressing!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:22pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[bold]Q.[/bold] How can one self-serving, greedy individual stand in the way of a strategic community housing initiative?
[bold]A.[/bold] By waving cash at other self-serving, greedy individuals who can block the initiative.
Well done Jimmy M. I take back all I've ever said about you (...well most of it anyway).
Q. How can one self-serving, greedy individual stand in the way of a strategic community housing initiative?
A. By waving cash at other self-serving, greedy individuals who can block the initiative.
Well done Jimmy M. I take back all I've ever said about you (...well most of it anyway).
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I think Brad is saying that any plan there may have been for this area should be scrapped in favour of preserving this crap.
I'm sure the GHA will go alomg with that, anything to upset the people is a winner in the GHA's agenda!
WE will never move forward in this place - unless you are a yuppie - yes, you can imagine a dinner party in this building and one of the guests stating that somebody threw themselves out this very house (15 storeys up), or there was two people found dead in this very property after a drug overdose!
Let it linger, nice one!
I think Brad is saying that any plan there may have been for this area should be scrapped in favour of preserving this crap.
I'm sure the GHA will go alomg with that, anything to upset the people is a winner in the GHA's agenda!
WE will never move forward in this place - unless you are a yuppie - yes, you can imagine a dinner party in this building and one of the guests stating that somebody threw themselves out this very house (15 storeys up), or there was two people found dead in this very property after a drug overdose!
Let it linger, nice one!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:37pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[bold][OFFTOPIC][/bold]
Let's get one thing clear ET, sir, if I keep reading the same (slightly dumbed-down) story in the ET as I read in The Herald over a coffee in Bhs, then I'm buying The Scotsman.
[bold]Play the game please![/bold]
[italic]A disgruntled customer.[/italic]
[bold][ONTOPIC][/bold]
Let's get one thing clear ET, sir, if I keep reading the same (slightly dumbed-down) story in the ET as I read in The Herald over a coffee in Bhs, then I'm buying The Scotsman.
Play the game please!
A disgruntled customer.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
Where next,Dundasvale court Cowcaddens!These flats are near Subway stations,and Future crossrail stations.In Gorbals[/quote] Jim, I lived at Dundasvale court for 6 or 7 years. Great place - and what a location. Subway, bus, train, all on your doorstep. City centre minutes'walk away, about 15 minutes up to Byres Road. Nice and quiet too. Only problem - The Glasgow Housing Association. A truly inept organisation.
jim wrote:
Where next,Dundasvale court Cowcaddens!These flats are near Subway stations,and Future crossrail stations.In Gorbals
Jim, I lived at Dundasvale court for 6 or 7 years. Great place - and what a location. Subway, bus, train, all on your doorstep. City centre minutes'walk away, about 15 minutes up to Byres Road. Nice and quiet too. Only problem - The Glasgow Housing Association. A truly inept organisation.
Posted by: mick, Glasgow on 4:14pm Thu 31 Jan 08
It sounds a good solid proposal that has been apparent for years and the city should seriously consider it.
It is also very environmentally friendly and a boost for the city for many reasons.
People will continue to be within walking distance of the city centre, there will not be major demolition, jobs will be created short and longterm,a long held wishlist of Clyde Street becoming a major social centre that would stretch the city centre south right along to Glasgow Green will be feasible,Paddy's Market area could be closed down and renovated as well, leading to the east side of Argyle Street and the Trongate down to the Clyde getting an economic transformation, Selfridges will charge in a lot sooner to the Candleriggs and in ten years it will be time to have a serious look at the Barras.
Meanwhile we can ringfence the deal with the developer,ensure the land is still ours on a 50 year lease,rolling every 5 years after that and existing interested tenants could be given a priory right to buy at a city negotiated discount when the work is completed.The work will be started and legally agreed to be completed within a five year timeframe otherwise severe financially penalty clauses will kick in.
It sounds a good solid proposal that has been apparent for years and the city should seriously consider it.
It is also very environmentally friendly and a boost for the city for many reasons.
People will continue to be within walking distance of the city centre, there will not be major demolition, jobs will be created short and longterm,a long held wishlist of Clyde Street becoming a major social centre that would stretch the city centre south right along to Glasgow Green will be feasible,Paddy's Market area could be closed down and renovated as well, leading to the east side of Argyle Street and the Trongate down to the Clyde getting an economic transformation, Selfridges will charge in a lot sooner to the Candleriggs and in ten years it will be time to have a serious look at the Barras.
Meanwhile we can ringfence the deal with the developer,ensure the land is still ours on a 50 year lease,rolling every 5 years after that and existing interested tenants could be given a priory right to buy at a city negotiated discount when the work is completed.The work will be started and legally agreed to be completed within a five year timeframe otherwise severe financially penalty clauses will kick in.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:26pm Thu 31 Jan 08
If the Quality Street Gang will pay £6m without competition, then others will pay more. Put the blocks up for sale to the highest bidder and give the derelict land to the west to the community housing group. Then, once the deal is done, transfer the cash into a high-interest bank account controlled by the community and let the group spend the money on social family housing... [bold]EASY[/bold]!
If the Quality Street Gang will pay £6m without competition, then others will pay more. Put the blocks up for sale to the highest bidder and give the derelict land to the west to the community housing group. Then, once the deal is done, transfer the cash into a high-interest bank account controlled by the community and let the group spend the money on social family housing...
EASY!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:18pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]mick[/bold] wrote:
It sounds a good solid proposal that has been apparent for years and the city should seriously consider it. It is also very environmentally friendly and a boost for the city for many reasons. People will continue to be within walking distance of the city centre, there will not be major demolition, jobs will be created short and longterm,a long held wishlist of Clyde Street becoming a major social centre that would stretch the city centre south right along to Glasgow Green will be feasible,Paddy's Market area could be closed down and renovated as well, leading to the east side of Argyle Street and the Trongate down to the Clyde getting an economic transformation, Selfridges will charge in a lot sooner to the Candleriggs and in ten years it will be time to have a serious look at the Barras. Meanwhile we can ringfence the deal with the developer,ensure the land is still ours on a 50 year lease,rolling every 5 years after that and existing interested tenants could be given a priory right to buy at a city negotiated discount when the work is completed.The work will be started and legally agreed to be completed within a five year timeframe otherwise severe financially penalty clauses will kick in.[/quote] The council had other plans for this site if you care to look at their developmewnt strategy for Laurieston.
There some nice multi storeys in the city for which this could be realised, but not slap bang in the middle of Central Glasgow.
As I said earlier let it linger on...... That's what most people want, hold the Gorbals back, nothing can be developed around the space these buildings consume - you reap what you sow!
Ha Ha Ha
mick wrote:
It sounds a good solid proposal that has been apparent for years and the city should seriously consider it. It is also very environmentally friendly and a boost for the city for many reasons. People will continue to be within walking distance of the city centre, there will not be major demolition, jobs will be created short and longterm,a long held wishlist of Clyde Street becoming a major social centre that would stretch the city centre south right along to Glasgow Green will be feasible,Paddy's Market area could be closed down and renovated as well, leading to the east side of Argyle Street and the Trongate down to the Clyde getting an economic transformation, Selfridges will charge in a lot sooner to the Candleriggs and in ten years it will be time to have a serious look at the Barras. Meanwhile we can ringfence the deal with the developer,ensure the land is still ours on a 50 year lease,rolling every 5 years after that and existing interested tenants could be given a priory right to buy at a city negotiated discount when the work is completed.The work will be started and legally agreed to be completed within a five year timeframe otherwise severe financially penalty clauses will kick in.
The council had other plans for this site if you care to look at their developmewnt strategy for Laurieston.
There some nice multi storeys in the city for which this could be realised, but not slap bang in the middle of Central Glasgow.
As I said earlier let it linger on...... That's what most people want, hold the Gorbals back, nothing can be developed around the space these buildings consume - you reap what you sow!
Ha Ha Ha
Posted by: Steven Glaswegian, Edinburgh (Unfortunatley!) on 6:29pm Thu 31 Jan 08
PULL THEM DOWN! They never should have been built in the first place. If this company is serious about converting tower blocks send them to Red Road or Royston then maybe it could kickstart urban renewal in these areas? Or are they too far away from Clydeside?
PULL THEM DOWN! They never should have been built in the first place. If this company is serious about converting tower blocks send them to Red Road or Royston then maybe it could kickstart urban renewal in these areas? Or are they too far away from Clydeside?
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 7:16pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Be nice to see these flats make proper homes and sadly the private invester has arrived to late. The city holds not an ounce of want to see these dark towers brought to life. Should this go through then sighthill would also be a target for private money. The GHA was never incorporated to provide cheap land for housing developers. This isn't social housing as it would fall outwith the Scottish Provident that is the current owner. The law is an **** and should veto any SP selling land assests, land given over from the people of Glasgui.
Be nice to see these flats make proper homes and sadly the private invester has arrived to late. The city holds not an ounce of want to see these dark towers brought to life. Should this go through then sighthill would also be a target for private money. The GHA was never incorporated to provide cheap land for housing developers. This isn't social housing as it would fall outwith the Scottish Provident that is the current owner. The law is an **** and should veto any SP selling land assests, land given over from the people of Glasgui.
Posted by: naylabour, glasgow on 9:18pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Gorbals Cross was ripped apart by this Councils (and all previous labour councils) bad planning decisions. i can (just about) remember 'old' Gorbals Cross.Very fine buildings that were pulled down. Now we have a bland court building the Mosque (which is probably the best building in the area - but the ground within it, on Ballater Street, has always looked unfinished), the terrible office block and these awful flats. The council has a chance to right at least one wrong that they are responsible for in the area - dont blow it by (again) lyin down to developers wishes. Get rid of the flats and buld community housing (and i dont mean just 10% of the proposed new housing)in the Lauriston plan.
Gorbals Cross was ripped apart by this Councils (and all previous labour councils) bad planning decisions. i can (just about) remember 'old' Gorbals Cross.Very fine buildings that were pulled down. Now we have a bland court building the Mosque (which is probably the best building in the area - but the ground within it, on Ballater Street, has always looked unfinished), the terrible office block and these awful flats. The council has a chance to right at least one wrong that they are responsible for in the area - dont blow it by (again) lyin down to developers wishes. Get rid of the flats and buld community housing (and i dont mean just 10% of the proposed new housing)in the Lauriston plan.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 1:34am Fri 1 Feb 08
20 years ago quality street done the painting and decorating of these flats.now they want to buy them.pity gcc are not as thrifty with their finances as this outfit.
20 years ago quality street done the painting and decorating of these flats.now they want to buy them.pity gcc are not as thrifty with their finances as this outfit.
Posted by: maximusmop, townhead on 3:40am Fri 29 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote: Where next,Dundasvale court Cowcaddens!These flats are near Subway stations,and Future crossrail stations.In Gorbals[/quote] Jim, I lived at Dundasvale court for 6 or 7 years. Great place - and what a location. Subway, bus, train, all on your doorstep. City centre minutes'walk away, about 15 minutes up to Byres Road. Nice and quiet too. Only problem - The Glasgow Housing Association. A truly inept organisation. [/quote] as a gha tennant in dundasvale(my mum and dad own thier house there) i would love to see these horrible building demolished, who in their right mind is going to buy a flat there, let'sface it house's are in short supply and flat are not, another waste of an idea(and how much money?) by the glasgow halfwit's association,sorry gha to you and me.
Pete wrote:
jim wrote: Where next,Dundasvale court Cowcaddens!These flats are near Subway stations,and Future crossrail stations.In Gorbals
Jim, I lived at Dundasvale court for 6 or 7 years. Great place - and what a location. Subway, bus, train, all on your doorstep. City centre minutes'walk away, about 15 minutes up to Byres Road. Nice and quiet too. Only problem - The Glasgow Housing Association. A truly inept organisation.
as a gha tennant in dundasvale(my mum and dad own thier house there) i would love to see these horrible building demolished, who in their right mind is going to buy a flat there, let'sface it house's are in short supply and flat are not, another waste of an idea(and how much money?) by the glasgow halfwit's association,sorry gha to you and me.
Posted by: uncle ben, glasgow on 11:55am Fri 29 Feb 08
So, the ex director of Glasgow Council Housing who could not sort out these problems when he was in post, smells a quick buck and thinks he can contribute now.
This is the same Paul Mungaioni, who in the last 12 months as Director of Council Houcing in Glasgow ran a staff competition to find a name for a new business venture he was planning.
The winning name was Quality Street.
If he could not be trusted when he was paid by the public purse, what chance now?
So, the ex director of Glasgow Council Housing who could not sort out these problems when he was in post, smells a quick buck and thinks he can contribute now.
This is the same Paul Mungaioni, who in the last 12 months as Director of Council Houcing in Glasgow ran a staff competition to find a name for a new business venture he was planning.
The winning name was Quality Street.
If he could not be trusted when he was paid by the public purse, what chance now?
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