Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 10:57am Fri 1 Feb 08
A spokesman said: "The company is appealing the sheriff's decision because Parkview provides a vital service for homeless people and, without it, they have nowhere to go.
HA HA HAAAAA! Yeah, that's the real reason for keeping it open. Compassion towards homelesss people. Nothing to do with the big giant wad of cash.
A spokesman said: "The company is appealing the sheriff's decision because Parkview provides a vital service for homeless people and, without it, they have nowhere to go.
HA HA HAAAAA! Yeah, that's the real reason for keeping it open. Compassion towards homelesss people. Nothing to do with the big giant wad of cash.
Posted by: Forbes Aiken, Glasgow on 11:10am Fri 1 Feb 08
The McKever Groups claims to any moral coscience on behalf of either the homeless or the local community is entirely unbelievable.
What we have here is, to use the old phrase, the unacceptable face of capitalism. The sooner they shut up shop the better for all concerned.
The McKever Groups claims to any moral coscience on behalf of either the homeless or the local community is entirely unbelievable.
What we have here is, to use the old phrase, the unacceptable face of capitalism. The sooner they shut up shop the better for all concerned.
Posted by: hongkongphooey, Glasgow on 11:34am Fri 1 Feb 08
Didn't the Scottish government tell local authorities to stop sending their homeless out of their own areas? With any luck his business will dry up due to this.
Didn't the Scottish government tell local authorities to stop sending their homeless out of their own areas? With any luck his business will dry up due to this.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:27pm Fri 1 Feb 08
homeless people shouldn't have somewhere to go
if they do they are not homeless, but charlatans marauding as homeless
if they have places to go we should start calling them jakes instead
homeless people shouldn't have somewhere to go
if they do they are not homeless, but charlatans marauding as homeless
if they have places to go we should start calling them jakes instead
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 1:11pm Fri 1 Feb 08
The appeals system in this country is a joke, anyone with a smart lawyer can delay judgments for years,no wonder people lose faith in the whole process.If he had to pay back all the taxpayers money earned during the appeals process,and legal fees this may deter him and others from this drag out tactic...
The appeals system in this country is a joke, anyone with a smart lawyer can delay judgments for years,no wonder people lose faith in the whole process.If he had to pay back all the taxpayers money earned during the appeals process,and legal fees this may deter him and others from this drag out tactic...
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 1:13pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!!
Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:15pm Fri 1 Feb 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
A spokesman said: "The company is appealing the sheriff's decision because Parkview provides a vital service for homeless people and, without it, they have nowhere to go.
HA HA HAAAAA! Yeah, that's the real reason for keeping it open. Compassion towards homelesss people. Nothing to do with the big giant wad of cash.[/quote] If he's really passionate about providing this vital service for homeless people, then he won't mind them turning up at his other hotels then?
Also, I don't see how this rogue trader should be allowed to blackmail the local taxpayers over this issue. He's already been stripped of his license, so if he appeals, surely there's some legal protection which would prevent GCC allowing other councils to send homeless people outside their local authority.
If there is no business for him, whether he's got a license that he's appealing is irrespective.
glamkitty wrote:
A spokesman said: "The company is appealing the sheriff's decision because Parkview provides a vital service for homeless people and, without it, they have nowhere to go.
HA HA HAAAAA! Yeah, that's the real reason for keeping it open. Compassion towards homelesss people. Nothing to do with the big giant wad of cash.
If he's really passionate about providing this vital service for homeless people, then he won't mind them turning up at his other hotels then?
Also, I don't see how this rogue trader should be allowed to blackmail the local taxpayers over this issue. He's already been stripped of his license, so if he appeals, surely there's some legal protection which would prevent GCC allowing other councils to send homeless people outside their local authority.
If there is no business for him, whether he's got a license that he's appealing is irrespective.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 1:24pm Fri 1 Feb 08
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!![/quote] Aw diddums, got a wee chip on your socialist shoulder because you maybe live in a housing estate..Well here is a shocker.so do lots of folk who post on here & they too believe that this place is a blight on the city no matter the area it is in..
One more thing,Queens Park is not posh
alexparade wrote:
Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!!
Aw diddums, got a wee chip on your socialist shoulder because you maybe live in a housing estate..Well here is a shocker.so do lots of folk who post on here & they too believe that this place is a blight on the city no matter the area it is in..
One more thing,Queens Park is not posh
Posted by: Ladofglas25, Glasgow on 1:34pm Fri 1 Feb 08
late news, after mr mckever lodged his appeal he was quoted "im willing to take whatever steps nessesary to make sure all glasgows troubled addicts have somewhere to sleep, now get yer hawns aff ma 250k ferrari ive just had it waxed ya junkie bast**d!"
this guy is a scumbag, you could go as for as sayng that he has harbourd criminals, if the court of appeals had any balls they should have tossed him out the door a**e first! hes a greedy, pathetic little man and should be treated as such
late news, after mr mckever lodged his appeal he was quoted "im willing to take whatever steps nessesary to make sure all glasgows troubled addicts have somewhere to sleep, now get yer hawns aff ma 250k ferrari ive just had it waxed ya junkie bast**d!"
this guy is a scumbag, you could go as for as sayng that he has harbourd criminals, if the court of appeals had any balls they should have tossed him out the door a**e first! hes a greedy, pathetic little man and should be treated as such
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:36pm Fri 1 Feb 08
haha, aye queens park is right up there with barrowfield in poshness
its where people who canny afford to live in shawlands live
haha, aye queens park is right up there with barrowfield in poshness
its where people who canny afford to live in shawlands live
Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 2:12pm Fri 1 Feb 08
As most of the accomodation in this hotel is paid by the public purse,
local authorites including Glasgow should be advised not to use it in view of its licence being revoked in November 2006.Surely councils and council departments can liaise another on this matter.
If there were no referrals to the hotel the problems would reduced in the immediate area.
As most of the accomodation in this hotel is paid by the public purse,
local authorites including Glasgow should be advised not to use it in view of its licence being revoked in November 2006.Surely councils and council departments can liaise another on this matter.
If there were no referrals to the hotel the problems would reduced in the immediate area.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 2:19pm Fri 1 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote: Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!![/quote] Aw diddums, got a wee chip on your socialist shoulder because you maybe live in a housing estate..Well here is a shocker.so do lots of folk who post on here & they too believe that this place is a blight on the city no matter the area it is in.. One more thing,Queens Park is not posh[/quote] I am quite insulted to be called a socialist. Queen's Park is however full of these 'champagne socialist' types who sympathise with palestinian and other trendy causes, vote Labour but complain about Tony Blair, then claim to be working class because they come from the south side (although house prices would suggest otherwise). This is why I suspect many GCC councillors live there!
There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill. Good luck to you if you live in one of them. But if you think that these places are a 'blight on the city no matter the area it is in' then why aren't you moaning about the various hostels in Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Castlemilk, etc. Of course, there aren't any articles about those, as the Evening Times isn't interested and the council despite what they may claim treat the residents of these schemes as second-class citizens!
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place! This is in fact the root cause of these problems, where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones!
Biffo the bear wrote:
alexparade wrote: Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!!
Aw diddums, got a wee chip on your socialist shoulder because you maybe live in a housing estate..Well here is a shocker.so do lots of folk who post on here & they too believe that this place is a blight on the city no matter the area it is in.. One more thing,Queens Park is not posh
I am quite insulted to be called a socialist. Queen's Park is however full of these 'champagne socialist' types who sympathise with palestinian and other trendy causes, vote Labour but complain about Tony Blair, then claim to be working class because they come from the south side (although house prices would suggest otherwise). This is why I suspect many GCC councillors live there!
There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill. Good luck to you if you live in one of them. But if you think that these places are a 'blight on the city no matter the area it is in' then why aren't you moaning about the various hostels in Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Castlemilk, etc. Of course, there aren't any articles about those, as the Evening Times isn't interested and the council despite what they may claim treat the residents of these schemes as second-class citizens!
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place! This is in fact the root cause of these problems, where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones!
Posted by: HGlasgwegian, Glasgow on 2:53pm Fri 1 Feb 08
alexparade
It is not where they are housed that is the issue. It is the concentration in one area. As well as the parkview and queens park hotel the McKever group also own an 'apartment' block which is used for the same purpose. So you have had hundreds of people, many of whom have multiple problems, housed in the same small area.
You have no idea what this has been like for the locals who are by no means posh. If they lived in Pollokshields - like McKever does - you could call them posh but Balvicar Street? Not really.
Glasgow City Council has already said that it is to boycott McKever properties from now on and so should every other council. Stop dumping people in these properties. It does not help them and it makes life hell for those around them.
alexparade
It is not where they are housed that is the issue. It is the concentration in one area. As well as the parkview and queens park hotel the McKever group also own an 'apartment' block which is used for the same purpose. So you have had hundreds of people, many of whom have multiple problems, housed in the same small area.
You have no idea what this has been like for the locals who are by no means posh. If they lived in Pollokshields - like McKever does - you could call them posh but Balvicar Street? Not really.
Glasgow City Council has already said that it is to boycott McKever properties from now on and so should every other council. Stop dumping people in these properties. It does not help them and it makes life hell for those around them.
Posted by: teamdroid on 3:37pm Fri 1 Feb 08
alexparade, get off your high horse - it's funny how when something is someone else's problem, they're just being NIMBYs, eh? Would you actually want to live next to one of these places, regardless of where it was situated? I've watched some of the people who stay in this hostel: they treat the Queen's Park pond as their local swimming pool in summer, and dot the park with Buckfast bottles all year round. Putting them up in these hostels solves nobody's problems - except McKever's cash flow. He's clearly done the sums - 400k hoovered up from the public purse, less the 200k costs when he inevitably exhausts the appeals process, plus the property values when he sells them off afterwards - nice little earner. Ach but I'm sure he'll give 10k to some charity out of it all, very good of him.
As for "only 2 or 3 places in the city with higher house prices than Govanhill" - what Glasgow do you live in? I can name 5 (Shawlands, Pollokshields, Mosspark, Newlands, Langside) without even crossing the river! Interestingly none of them have "facilities" like Parkview in their area - coincidence?
alexparade, get off your high horse - it's funny how when something is someone else's problem, they're just being NIMBYs, eh? Would you actually want to live next to one of these places, regardless of where it was situated? I've watched some of the people who stay in this hostel: they treat the Queen's Park pond as their local swimming pool in summer, and dot the park with Buckfast bottles all year round. Putting them up in these hostels solves nobody's problems - except McKever's cash flow. He's clearly done the sums - 400k hoovered up from the public purse, less the 200k costs when he inevitably exhausts the appeals process, plus the property values when he sells them off afterwards - nice little earner. Ach but I'm sure he'll give 10k to some charity out of it all, very good of him.
As for "only 2 or 3 places in the city with higher house prices than Govanhill" - what Glasgow do you live in? I can name 5 (Shawlands, Pollokshields, Mosspark, Newlands, Langside) without even crossing the river! Interestingly none of them have "facilities" like Parkview in their area - coincidence?
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 4:38pm Fri 1 Feb 08
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote: Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!![/quote] Aw diddums, got a wee chip on your socialist shoulder because you maybe live in a housing estate..Well here is a shocker.so do lots of folk who post on here & they too believe that this place is a blight on the city no matter the area it is in.. One more thing,Queens Park is not posh[/quote] I am quite insulted to be called a socialist. Queen's Park is however full of these 'champagne socialist' types who sympathise with palestinian and other trendy causes, vote Labour but complain about Tony Blair, then claim to be working class because they come from the south side (although house prices would suggest otherwise). This is why I suspect many GCC councillors live there!
There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill. Good luck to you if you live in one of them. But if you think that these places are a 'blight on the city no matter the area it is in' then why aren't you moaning about the various hostels in Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Castlemilk, etc. Of course, there aren't any articles about those, as the Evening Times isn't interested and the council despite what they may claim treat the residents of these schemes as second-class citizens!
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place! This is in fact the root cause of these problems, where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones![/quote] Me thinkith that the laddie does protest to much..
Ok so you are not a socialist but the fact remains that this & many other hovels sorry hostels are a blight & not doing anybody any good regardless of where they live.
alexparade wrote:
Biffo the bear wrote:
alexparade wrote: Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!!
Aw diddums, got a wee chip on your socialist shoulder because you maybe live in a housing estate..Well here is a shocker.so do lots of folk who post on here & they too believe that this place is a blight on the city no matter the area it is in.. One more thing,Queens Park is not posh
I am quite insulted to be called a socialist. Queen's Park is however full of these 'champagne socialist' types who sympathise with palestinian and other trendy causes, vote Labour but complain about Tony Blair, then claim to be working class because they come from the south side (although house prices would suggest otherwise). This is why I suspect many GCC councillors live there!
There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill. Good luck to you if you live in one of them. But if you think that these places are a 'blight on the city no matter the area it is in' then why aren't you moaning about the various hostels in Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Castlemilk, etc. Of course, there aren't any articles about those, as the Evening Times isn't interested and the council despite what they may claim treat the residents of these schemes as second-class citizens!
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place! This is in fact the root cause of these problems, where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones!
Me thinkith that the laddie does protest to much..
Ok so you are not a socialist but the fact remains that this & many other hovels sorry hostels are a blight & not doing anybody any good regardless of where they live.
Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 4:51pm Fri 1 Feb 08
residents in the vicinity of this hotel should be celebrating the fact that their brethren are not being evicted,instead of criticising this decision they should use this opportunity to organise events to raise money/gifts etc for these unfortunate people,do not turn your back on them but rather befriend and invite them to your house,offer a lift in your car and give when they ask.with such christian spirit you will find inner happiness as well as making new friends,remember the biblical incident where jesus asks which prostitute will cast the first stone,this is an opportunity to do good by your fellow man so do not pass it up, and remember to thank the lord for presenting you with this wonderful chance.god bless
residents in the vicinity of this hotel should be celebrating the fact that their brethren are not being evicted,instead of criticising this decision they should use this opportunity to organise events to raise money/gifts etc for these unfortunate people,do not turn your back on them but rather befriend and invite them to your house,offer a lift in your car and give when they ask.with such christian spirit you will find inner happiness as well as making new friends,remember the biblical incident where jesus asks which prostitute will cast the first stone,this is an opportunity to do good by your fellow man so do not pass it up, and remember to thank the lord for presenting you with this wonderful chance.god bless
Posted by: slam, Glasgow on 5:15pm Fri 1 Feb 08
To alexparade, Glasgow, His quote ' There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill'
Are you on drugs? You have no idea what you are taking about. Govanhill is a dump.
To alexparade, Glasgow, His quote ' There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill'
Are you on drugs? You have no idea what you are taking about. Govanhill is a dump.
Posted by: terencej72, g43 on 5:21pm Fri 1 Feb 08
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!![/quote] You're also forgetting that a lot hard working people live in Strathbungo and while they are out working, the residents of this hostel are tanning their houses and flogging their possessions for drugs.
You are correct in that a few councillors live in Strathbungo(my parents know of at least 2). The reason this hostel is being targetted is because what was once one of the cities lowest crime areas (Strathbungo) is now one of the highest, whilst also having one of the highest council tax brackets. If i was paying what my parents pay in council tax (£2,000 for a one bed flat) and other folk (about £3,000 for a 3 bed house) i'd be kicking up fvck if some nefarious theiving little gypo was using my possessions as his own personal drug fund.
I grew up about 600 yards from this hostel in Springhill Gardens and my parents live there to this day (i believe since 1970). It is the BAIN of people living near this hostel MOST of whom are working class folk who've worked hard to move into this area.
If my parents knew a councillor (and they do) they'd be saying to him "what are you doing about this" which is EXACTLY what is happening with the folk round about. Most people who live in this area have lived here for years and if i was a councillor and half of my street was knocking on my door asking what i was going to do about that hostel you're **** right i'd do something.
alexparade wrote:
Good luck to this group and their appeal. The council would have no interest in closing down a hostel that was housed in one of the city's poorer areas, so why do they suddenly become outraged when one is situated in posh Queen's Park? Could it be because many wealthy councillors and journalists live near there themselves, but none live in the city's 'working-class' areas or housing schemes? Shame on Glasgow City Council and the Evening Times reporters. They are nothing more than a bunch of NIMBYs, looking after their own interests!!
You're also forgetting that a lot hard working people live in Strathbungo and while they are out working, the residents of this hostel are tanning their houses and flogging their possessions for drugs.
You are correct in that a few councillors live in Strathbungo(my parents know of at least 2). The reason this hostel is being targetted is because what was once one of the cities lowest crime areas (Strathbungo) is now one of the highest, whilst also having one of the highest council tax brackets. If i was paying what my parents pay in council tax (£2,000 for a one bed flat) and other folk (about £3,000 for a 3 bed house) i'd be kicking up fvck if some nefarious theiving little gypo was using my possessions as his own personal drug fund.
I grew up about 600 yards from this hostel in Springhill Gardens and my parents live there to this day (i believe since 1970). It is the BAIN of people living near this hostel MOST of whom are working class folk who've worked hard to move into this area.
If my parents knew a councillor (and they do) they'd be saying to him "what are you doing about this" which is EXACTLY what is happening with the folk round about. Most people who live in this area have lived here for years and if i was a councillor and half of my street was knocking on my door asking what i was going to do about that hostel you're **** right i'd do something.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 7:06pm Fri 1 Feb 08
why dont the council build and staff hostels with resource centres attached for the homeless in society instead of lining the pockets of people like mckever this would surely be cheaper in the long run,and the homeless could then be helped instead of being dumped in society with no support.
why dont the council build and staff hostels with resource centres attached for the homeless in society instead of lining the pockets of people like mckever this would surely be cheaper in the long run,and the homeless could then be helped instead of being dumped in society with no support.
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 7:09pm Fri 1 Feb 08
alexparade: [quote]Queen's Park is however full of these 'champagne socialist' types who sympathise with palestinian[/quote]
Well the Palestinians are suffering much greater terror than anyone in Glasgow. What is wrong with sympathy towards a race who are constantly under attack by a terrorist regime like Isreal?
One would have thought that Champagne socialists would be a little more tolerant to the "hard lives" that the poor people of these hellholes endured, eh? Mibbe they've started to see sense, so hopefully champagne socialists everywhere will wake up. ;-)
[quote]There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill.[/quote]
Govanhill on a par with Queens Park??? You're having a laugh!!! Govanhill is one of the worst places on the south side.
[quote]the various hostels in Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Castlemilk, etc.[/quote]
Are there? I've never been aware of any hostels in these districts. As many of the locals in these places enjoy violence, I'm sure they will welcome the challenge. ;-)
[quote]Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place![/quote]
Couldn't agree more.
[quote]where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones![/quote]
The Buckie and smackhead scum should be executed. No one should have to put up with them, regardless of their socioeconomic standing.
teamdroid: [quote]they treat the Queen's Park pond as their local swimming pool[/quote]
Well after all, they are pondlife. =p
alexparade:
Queen's Park is however full of these 'champagne socialist' types who sympathise with palestinian
Well the Palestinians are suffering much greater terror than anyone in Glasgow. What is wrong with sympathy towards a race who are constantly under attack by a terrorist regime like Isreal?
One would have thought that Champagne socialists would be a little more tolerant to the "hard lives" that the poor people of these hellholes endured, eh? Mibbe they've started to see sense, so hopefully champagne socialists everywhere will wake up. ;-)
There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill.
Govanhill on a par with Queens Park??? You're having a laugh!!! Govanhill is one of the worst places on the south side.
the various hostels in Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Castlemilk, etc.
Are there? I've never been aware of any hostels in these districts. As many of the locals in these places enjoy violence, I'm sure they will welcome the challenge. ;-)
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place!
Couldn't agree more.
where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones!
The Buckie and smackhead scum should be executed. No one should have to put up with them, regardless of their socioeconomic standing.
teamdroid:
they treat the Queen's Park pond as their local swimming pool
Well after all, they are pondlife. =p
Posted by: chedwardall, glasgow on 8:10pm Fri 1 Feb 08
There's some strange diversionary logic in these posts such as accusing people of NIMBYism,criticising their politics or personal lifestyles, which unlike that of the hostel residents does not infringe on anyone else. Whether people drink champagne, Bovril or sympathise with Palestinians or Eskimos is totally irrelevant. when all they ask for is the right for them and their families to live in peace and safety.
There's some strange diversionary logic in these posts such as accusing people of NIMBYism,criticising their politics or personal lifestyles, which unlike that of the hostel residents does not infringe on anyone else. Whether people drink champagne, Bovril or sympathise with Palestinians or Eskimos is totally irrelevant. when all they ask for is the right for them and their families to live in peace and safety.
Posted by: OWEN, LINDLEY on 9:02pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place! This is in fact the root cause of these problems, where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones!
What has this got to do with being a socialist?
Just to prove I am not a socialist, I would suggest that if these 'recently released prisoners' are re-offending so much then they should not have been released from prison in the first place! This is in fact the root cause of these problems, where the hostels are is irrelevant - they would pose a problem to any community they are situated in, not just the posh ones!
What has this got to do with being a socialist?
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 9:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
There are no hostels in Drumchapel or Castlemilk. There might be individual projects, but the residents have support. There is no NIMBYIsm involved here not only are these places seriously bad news for the people who live in the area (irn bru socialists I would reckon), the homeless themselves are being dumped in these places with no support. Personally I think there should be an intervention here by the Scottish Government via Communities Scotland to stop other Councils using these places, GCC doesn't use them. I don't know how legal that would be but if this chancer keeps on putting up a fight which could drag on for ages that is anoption to look at. Cut off his supply. I think Nicola Sturgeon is the areas MSP - write to her.
There are no hostels in Drumchapel or Castlemilk. There might be individual projects, but the residents have support. There is no NIMBYIsm involved here not only are these places seriously bad news for the people who live in the area (irn bru socialists I would reckon), the homeless themselves are being dumped in these places with no support. Personally I think there should be an intervention here by the Scottish Government via Communities Scotland to stop other Councils using these places, GCC doesn't use them. I don't know how legal that would be but if this chancer keeps on putting up a fight which could drag on for ages that is anoption to look at. Cut off his supply. I think Nicola Sturgeon is the areas MSP - write to her.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 9:25pm Fri 1 Feb 08
[quote][bold]slam[/bold] wrote:
To alexparade, Glasgow, His quote ' There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill' Are you on drugs? You have no idea what you are taking about. Govanhill is a dump.[/quote] Must agree with you there,it's probably the filthiest.drug and crime infested area in the southside if not glasgow,It's only fit as a dumping ground,I Wouldn't take a house there for nothing.Im trying to think if it has any redeeming features and there's none
slam wrote:
To alexparade, Glasgow, His quote ' There are only 2 or 3 places in Glasgow where house prices are higher than Queen's Park and Govanhill' Are you on drugs? You have no idea what you are taking about. Govanhill is a dump.
Must agree with you there,it's probably the filthiest.drug and crime infested area in the southside if not glasgow,It's only fit as a dumping ground,I Wouldn't take a house there for nothing.Im trying to think if it has any redeeming features and there's none
Posted by: bubbleman, london on 9:50pm Fri 1 Feb 08
I think we should give Buckingham Palace to the homeless and also Windsor castle, after all theres only two people left in these big hooses! :0)
I think we should give Buckingham Palace to the homeless and also Windsor castle, after all theres only two people left in these big hooses! :0)
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 9:56pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Where's the T.M.C Tonight?....
Where's the T.M.C Tonight?....
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:29pm Fri 1 Feb 08
what would residents rather see - the hostel being turned into yet more yuppie flats, for the elite and well to do ?
Personally, I'd rather have the problem at the root cause tackled, and these people given stricter supervision by police, or rulings layed down staff of the hostel.
It's this N.I.M.B.Y'ism which sickens me most!
Folk ought to try putting themselves in the same position as these homeless folk, some for ligitimate reasons.
Those who have unfortunately seccumbed to drugs, or drink should not be frowned on so quickly. Swap places with any one of these peoples lives, and then try judging them.
The residents of this Hostel are not unique by any means, and are a societal failure, and at every level - even due to ordinary people like us snubbing them, or excluding them, instead of trying to help them at the most basic human level.
The way so many more people are being declared bankrupt and are unable to pay their mortgages any one of us could be the next to have to swallow our pride, and seek help from homeless charities!
So, lets sort this problem out as a community -(not just in Queens Park) - and stop trying to pass the buck - blame the council, police, and everyone else, except ourselves!
The problem of crime ( if this is the main issue) can be cracked, but only with a joined up approach, and more pro-activity from everyone who is moaning about this problem!
what would residents rather see - the hostel being turned into yet more yuppie flats, for the elite and well to do ?
Personally, I'd rather have the problem at the root cause tackled, and these people given stricter supervision by police, or rulings layed down staff of the hostel.
It's this N.I.M.B.Y'ism which sickens me most!
Folk ought to try putting themselves in the same position as these homeless folk, some for ligitimate reasons.
Those who have unfortunately seccumbed to drugs, or drink should not be frowned on so quickly. Swap places with any one of these peoples lives, and then try judging them.
The residents of this Hostel are not unique by any means, and are a societal failure, and at every level - even due to ordinary people like us snubbing them, or excluding them, instead of trying to help them at the most basic human level.
The way so many more people are being declared bankrupt and are unable to pay their mortgages any one of us could be the next to have to swallow our pride, and seek help from homeless charities!
So, lets sort this problem out as a community -(not just in Queens Park) - and stop trying to pass the buck - blame the council, police, and everyone else, except ourselves!
The problem of crime ( if this is the main issue) can be cracked, but only with a joined up approach, and more pro-activity from everyone who is moaning about this problem!
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 11:26pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Let me tell you what its like to live in 1 of these hostels ...
There are modern day fagens who send the residents out there to commit crimes,(shoplifting,
muggings,burglary,ca
r theft)If you dont comply a sound beating is dished out ...
So its no surprise crime is high in these areas ...
Hostels have to be better run in the first place instead of just being a dumping ground ...
This situation is only going to get worse before it gets better as I dont see any help/resources forthcoming ...
P.S Its easy to find yourself homeless in these changing times ...
Let me tell you what its like to live in 1 of these hostels ...
There are modern day fagens who send the residents out there to commit crimes,(shoplifting,
muggings,burglary,ca
r theft)If you dont comply a sound beating is dished out ...
So its no surprise crime is high in these areas ...
Hostels have to be better run in the first place instead of just being a dumping ground ...
This situation is only going to get worse before it gets better as I dont see any help/resources forthcoming ...
P.S Its easy to find yourself homeless in these changing times ...
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:48pm Fri 1 Feb 08
However you look at this situation, solutions are always at hand. It's just about who works to ensure they are implemented, that crimes are reduced, affected people are protected, with people aware of crimes and the need to report them a.s.a.p.
The problem is still a societal one, in that people have this nimby'ism and turn a blind eye, avoid involvement, when they are already involved.....
and do not use resources made available to them, however shoddy!
[bold]Crimestoppers: 0800 555 111[/bold] ( call it anonymously)
[bold]Go to your local Councillor / MSP.[/bold]
[bold]Call a Public Meeting.[/bold]
[bold]Write to the media.[/bold]
[bold]Find out where your Community Council meets,
it is open to members of the Public.
Get voted onto it's committee. Be pro-active.[/bold] (Identify the root causes of the trouble.)
Go to the Chief Superintendant, or someone as high up as possible in the Police and demand the Police do more to reduce the crime.
And, make shops, residents and businesses all far more aware of what they can do to protect themselves (5 lever locks) Police Crime Prevention visits, to give out advice on how to secure properties.
[bold]There is plenty that can be done, which is common sensical. A more concerted, joined up effort by community members is the only way to get the best possible outcome for this Hostel, and the residents.[/bold]
It is just sad that any one of us could potentially be victims of homelessness.
With this as a genuine concern, voiced on the news, as rates of bankruptcy increase -
[bold] JUST WHAT EXACTLY ARE OUR POLITICIANS DOING ABOUT THE PROBLEM ?[/bold]
However you look at this situation, solutions are always at hand. It's just about who works to ensure they are implemented, that crimes are reduced, affected people are protected, with people aware of crimes and the need to report them a.s.a.p.
The problem is still a societal one, in that people have this nimby'ism and turn a blind eye, avoid involvement, when they are already involved.....
and do not use resources made available to them, however shoddy!
Crimestoppers: 0800 555 111 ( call it anonymously)
Go to your local Councillor / MSP.
Call a Public Meeting.
Write to the media.
Find out where your Community Council meets,
it is open to members of the Public.
Get voted onto it's committee. Be pro-active. (Identify the root causes of the trouble.)
Go to the Chief Superintendant, or someone as high up as possible in the Police and demand the Police do more to reduce the crime.
And, make shops, residents and businesses all far more aware of what they can do to protect themselves (5 lever locks) Police Crime Prevention visits, to give out advice on how to secure properties.
There is plenty that can be done, which is common sensical. A more concerted, joined up effort by community members is the only way to get the best possible outcome for this Hostel, and the residents.
It is just sad that any one of us could potentially be victims of homelessness.
With this as a genuine concern, voiced on the news, as rates of bankruptcy increase -
JUST WHAT EXACTLY ARE OUR POLITICIANS DOING ABOUT THE PROBLEM ?
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 12:41am Sat 2 Feb 08
Our politicians have got their heads in the sand for this one,(Im allright Jack)
As you say P.P there are always solutions ...
Personally,for me,the banks have a lot to do with the ills that pervade modern society today ...
They make obscene profits year after year and still want more ...
Our politicians have got their heads in the sand for this one,(Im allright Jack)
As you say P.P there are always solutions ...
Personally,for me,the banks have a lot to do with the ills that pervade modern society today ...
They make obscene profits year after year and still want more ...
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 1:12am Sat 2 Feb 08
PEOPLE POWER===you are usually pretty good with your comments/ideas but you are off the mark here .within an area of roughly 300 yards there is 2 hostels and numerous flats all owned by mckever which house the homeless from outwith glasgow.not glaswegians .this is nothing short of ethnic cleansing by other authorities dumping their unwanted in glasgow .we are talking about people who have had chances time after time by their local authorities who eventually gave up and sent them to glasgow this is not nimbyism.this is a case for all glaswegians to say dont dump your unwanted in our city.
PEOPLE POWER===you are usually pretty good with your comments/ideas but you are off the mark here .within an area of roughly 300 yards there is 2 hostels and numerous flats all owned by mckever which house the homeless from outwith glasgow.not glaswegians .this is nothing short of ethnic cleansing by other authorities dumping their unwanted in glasgow .we are talking about people who have had chances time after time by their local authorities who eventually gave up and sent them to glasgow this is not nimbyism.this is a case for all glaswegians to say dont dump your unwanted in our city.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:35am Sat 2 Feb 08
has anyone any idea how many people live in this hostel?and are they legal immigrants? are the people living there law breakers? have they paid into the system?would the glasgow council allow them a house in the glasgow housing? ...if not, then why not?are the people there being searched for drug possesion? or even having any connection with known drug dealers?, mr mckever should be very careful as he may be under suspicion if drugs are found in the premises....he could lose the lot under the proceeds of crime.
has anyone any idea how many people live in this hostel?and are they legal immigrants? are the people living there law breakers? have they paid into the system?would the glasgow council allow them a house in the glasgow housing? ...if not, then why not?are the people there being searched for drug possesion? or even having any connection with known drug dealers?, mr mckever should be very careful as he may be under suspicion if drugs are found in the premises....he could lose the lot under the proceeds of crime.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:59pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Perhaps in this case as you say trench, there are more questions than answers..... but that doesn't mean to say there are no solutions to at least try out simultaneously.
The problem is with the contravertial issue of allowing such a high volume of asylum seekers into the country, as well as those from the newly joined E.U. Countries.
As for Holding centres like Dungavel - Where is the point in holding people there for months, if not years - at the expense of tax payers ?
These Holding Centres, are a feeble government excuse, and are no solution to this growing problem.
Until the Evening Times, or other media research the exact circumstances of these people staying at Queens Park Hostels, we can only speculate whether they are legally staying there, or illegal ?
Ultimately, when we have the ridiculous system of giving people housing, benefits and yet, we disallow them to work. So, their temptation to turn to crime to survive will always be there.
This comes down to Gordon Browns soft approach just how many more immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers we can support, without our NHS, and utilities / services being crippled further.
However tam - m - I would still research your claims further, as I'm sure if the people staying in these Hostels were illegal they would be removed in "dawn raids" and shoved in Dungavel quickly enough!
Perhaps in this case as you say trench, there are more questions than answers..... but that doesn't mean to say there are no solutions to at least try out simultaneously.
The problem is with the contravertial issue of allowing such a high volume of asylum seekers into the country, as well as those from the newly joined E.U. Countries.
As for Holding centres like Dungavel - Where is the point in holding people there for months, if not years - at the expense of tax payers ?
These Holding Centres, are a feeble government excuse, and are no solution to this growing problem.
Until the Evening Times, or other media research the exact circumstances of these people staying at Queens Park Hostels, we can only speculate whether they are legally staying there, or illegal ?
Ultimately, when we have the ridiculous system of giving people housing, benefits and yet, we disallow them to work. So, their temptation to turn to crime to survive will always be there.
This comes down to Gordon Browns soft approach just how many more immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers we can support, without our NHS, and utilities / services being crippled further.
However tam - m - I would still research your claims further, as I'm sure if the people staying in these Hostels were illegal they would be removed in "dawn raids" and shoved in Dungavel quickly enough!
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 6:26pm Sat 2 Feb 08
People Power: [quote]The residents of this Hostel are not unique by any means, and are a societal failure, and at every level - even due to ordinary people like us snubbing them, or excluding them, instead of trying to help them at the most basic human level.[/quote]
The problem there is that when anyone tries to help some of these lowlives, they are as likely to take advantage of them. Alcoholics and smackheads cannot be trusted and it is no surprise that the NIMBY attitude is so prevelant.
[quote]The way so many more people are being declared bankrupt and are unable to pay their mortgages any one of us could be the next to have to swallow our pride, and seek help from homeless charities![/quote]
I'm well aware that any of us could fall on hard times, and some have found themselves homeless through no fault of their own. However, these are people who have probably lived and breathed violence and ned culture all their lives, and if it comes down to the choice of who should get priority, then almost everyone, myself included, will come down on the side of the long suffering locals who work hard and pay their taxes. The residents of these hostels may well have lived a life of violence, childhood abuse, neglect or whatever, but they should not be allowed to make the lives of their neighbours, Middle-Class, Working-Class, or any class, a living hell. They should be taken out of society for as long as they remain a danger, and provided with specialist support, and if that means keeping them away for life, then so be it.
People Power:
The residents of this Hostel are not unique by any means, and are a societal failure, and at every level - even due to ordinary people like us snubbing them, or excluding them, instead of trying to help them at the most basic human level.
The problem there is that when anyone tries to help some of these lowlives, they are as likely to take advantage of them. Alcoholics and smackheads cannot be trusted and it is no surprise that the NIMBY attitude is so prevelant.
The way so many more people are being declared bankrupt and are unable to pay their mortgages any one of us could be the next to have to swallow our pride, and seek help from homeless charities!
I'm well aware that any of us could fall on hard times, and some have found themselves homeless through no fault of their own. However, these are people who have probably lived and breathed violence and ned culture all their lives, and if it comes down to the choice of who should get priority, then almost everyone, myself included, will come down on the side of the long suffering locals who work hard and pay their taxes. The residents of these hostels may well have lived a life of violence, childhood abuse, neglect or whatever, but they should not be allowed to make the lives of their neighbours, Middle-Class, Working-Class, or any class, a living hell. They should be taken out of society for as long as they remain a danger, and provided with specialist support, and if that means keeping them away for life, then so be it.
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 6:32pm Sat 2 Feb 08
roor06: [quote]the banks have a lot to do with the ills that pervade modern society today[/quote]
I couldn't agree more. The major banking cartels are probably the single biggest cause of most of the world's social and political problems. They control the world's currency, which enables them to control the governments worldwide. Just Google names such as Rothschild, Rockefeller, Bilderberg etc.
roor06:
the banks have a lot to do with the ills that pervade modern society today
I couldn't agree more. The major banking cartels are probably the single biggest cause of most of the world's social and political problems. They control the world's currency, which enables them to control the governments worldwide. Just Google names such as Rothschild, Rockefeller, Bilderberg etc.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:22pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Renegade,
[quote]However, these are people who have probably lived and breathed violence and ned culture all their lives[/quote]
I find your presumptuous, and intolerant attitude typical of those who do not wish to see the full picture, or who don't bother to do anything to solve the problem themselves.
[quote] They should be taken out of society for as long as they remain a danger, and provided with specialist support, and if that means keeping them away for life, then so be it.[/quote]
And, just how exactly do you see this as solving the problem ? Except to take it out of your community, your area, your back yard!
Yet more nimby'ism.
As many of us will know Prisons are far from the solution to those who are repeat offenders, going through the "revolving door process" - costing us tax-payers yet more money - when they are worth more to us outside prison - not inside!
By finding community service alternatives, drug treatment programmes, and even using the slated A.S.B.O's we can gradually re-integrate ex-criminals back into society.......
But, with so many ignorant, unforgiving, intolerant attitudes who wont even give these people a chance, and socially exclude them it's a very tough world for those who are released from Prison.
Scotland cannot shake off it's image, and make changes - when we snub and look down on our own - Lets start by at least being courteous and trying to acknowledge its as much our problem, as it is the Councils, and the Governments at large.
If the boot was on the other foot, and it was us who were drawn into a world of alcoholism, through depression (which is not impossible) we would expect just as much support, and care as these people at Queens Park Hostel. A section of whom are being allowed to commit offences - But, community members have plenty of ways to help themselves, and even find it within their hearts to give these people a chance.
Renegade,
However, these are people who have probably lived and breathed violence and ned culture all their lives
I find your presumptuous, and intolerant attitude typical of those who do not wish to see the full picture, or who don't bother to do anything to solve the problem themselves.
They should be taken out of society for as long as they remain a danger, and provided with specialist support, and if that means keeping them away for life, then so be it.
And, just how exactly do you see this as solving the problem ? Except to take it out of your community, your area, your back yard!
Yet more nimby'ism.
As many of us will know Prisons are far from the solution to those who are repeat offenders, going through the "revolving door process" - costing us tax-payers yet more money - when they are worth more to us outside prison - not inside!
By finding community service alternatives, drug treatment programmes, and even using the slated A.S.B.O's we can gradually re-integrate ex-criminals back into society.......
But, with so many ignorant, unforgiving, intolerant attitudes who wont even give these people a chance, and socially exclude them it's a very tough world for those who are released from Prison.
Scotland cannot shake off it's image, and make changes - when we snub and look down on our own - Lets start by at least being courteous and trying to acknowledge its as much our problem, as it is the Councils, and the Governments at large.
If the boot was on the other foot, and it was us who were drawn into a world of alcoholism, through depression (which is not impossible) we would expect just as much support, and care as these people at Queens Park Hostel. A section of whom are being allowed to commit offences - But, community members have plenty of ways to help themselves, and even find it within their hearts to give these people a chance.
Posted by: Bob, Glasgow on 8:03pm Sat 2 Feb 08
As somebody who lives near the hostel, I'm tired of accusations of NIMBYism. I recognise the need for proper accommodation and support for people who have become homeless, for whatever reason. However I don't believe that this hostel provides a solution for anyone.
Glasgow City Council is no longer placing people in this hostel; it's being used by other councils to dump homeless people, away from their home towns (including, I understand, Dundee and Inverclyde) where they might be more likely to have support from family, friends etc.
The hostel is obviously a private operation, so does it have services to rehabilitate addicts or offenders? I don't imagine so. Therefore the hostel is not working for either it's occupants or local residents.
In response to accusations that the problems with this hostel are only receiving publicity because councillors or journalists live in the area, all that I can say as a local resident, is that I would much rather it wasn't on the front page of the Evening Times! It doesn't do the area (or the value of my house) any favours.
As somebody who lives near the hostel, I'm tired of accusations of NIMBYism. I recognise the need for proper accommodation and support for people who have become homeless, for whatever reason. However I don't believe that this hostel provides a solution for anyone.
Glasgow City Council is no longer placing people in this hostel; it's being used by other councils to dump homeless people, away from their home towns (including, I understand, Dundee and Inverclyde) where they might be more likely to have support from family, friends etc.
The hostel is obviously a private operation, so does it have services to rehabilitate addicts or offenders? I don't imagine so. Therefore the hostel is not working for either it's occupants or local residents.
In response to accusations that the problems with this hostel are only receiving publicity because councillors or journalists live in the area, all that I can say as a local resident, is that I would much rather it wasn't on the front page of the Evening Times! It doesn't do the area (or the value of my house) any favours.
Posted by: Bob, Glasgow on 8:07pm Sat 2 Feb 08
As somebody who lives near the hostel, I'm tired of accusations of NIMBYism. I recognise the need for proper accommodation and support for people who have become homeless, for whatever reason. However I don't believe that this hostel provides a solution for anyone.
Glasgow City Council is no longer placing people in this hostel; it's being used by other councils to dump homeless people, away from their home towns (including, I understand, Dundee and Inverclyde) where they might be more likely to have support from family, friends etc.
The hostel is obviously a private operation, so does it have services to rehabilitate addicts or offenders? I don't imagine so. Therefore the hostel is not working for either it's occupants or local residents.
In response to accusations that the problems with this hostel are only receiving publicity because councillors or journalists live in the area, all that I can say as a local resident, is that I would much rather it wasn't on the front page of the Evening Times! It doesn't do the area (or the value of my house) any favours.
As somebody who lives near the hostel, I'm tired of accusations of NIMBYism. I recognise the need for proper accommodation and support for people who have become homeless, for whatever reason. However I don't believe that this hostel provides a solution for anyone.
Glasgow City Council is no longer placing people in this hostel; it's being used by other councils to dump homeless people, away from their home towns (including, I understand, Dundee and Inverclyde) where they might be more likely to have support from family, friends etc.
The hostel is obviously a private operation, so does it have services to rehabilitate addicts or offenders? I don't imagine so. Therefore the hostel is not working for either it's occupants or local residents.
In response to accusations that the problems with this hostel are only receiving publicity because councillors or journalists live in the area, all that I can say as a local resident, is that I would much rather it wasn't on the front page of the Evening Times! It doesn't do the area (or the value of my house) any favours.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:36pm Sat 2 Feb 08
Bob,
If this is the case, that this Hostel is being operated under private auspices, potentially subcontracted by G.C.C. then this must be challenged!
Equally, if people are not being housed by other council regions - Dundee or Inverclyde, then: What do they stand to gain from this ? and Why are these people not being more closely monitored within these regions forementioned ?
Clearly, there is a bigger problem here, of how we continue to process, assess or decide who is granted asylum, and allowed to stay, work or live in the UK legally, and who isn't!
It's pretty straight forwards, it's just our dumb politicians who seem to make things more complicated, by having such long delays between when people arrive in the UK, are detained, and wait months at the expense of tax-payers till they are processed, or and if at all, extradited back to their home country.
Local Councillors, Politicians and Journalists can say all they want, but their tokenistic words mean little or nothing - What we need is a far tougher policy on terms & conditions of people entering the UK. Better security at all Sea & Airports. And faster overall processing.
I understand that the value of Queens Park properties could, and might be devalued, but there are far more factors to be considered by people - before underestimating, or pre-judging Queens Park as a whole!
Bob,
If this is the case, that this Hostel is being operated under private auspices, potentially subcontracted by G.C.C. then this must be challenged!
Equally, if people are not being housed by other council regions - Dundee or Inverclyde, then: What do they stand to gain from this ? and Why are these people not being more closely monitored within these regions forementioned ?
Clearly, there is a bigger problem here, of how we continue to process, assess or decide who is granted asylum, and allowed to stay, work or live in the UK legally, and who isn't!
It's pretty straight forwards, it's just our dumb politicians who seem to make things more complicated, by having such long delays between when people arrive in the UK, are detained, and wait months at the expense of tax-payers till they are processed, or and if at all, extradited back to their home country.
Local Councillors, Politicians and Journalists can say all they want, but their tokenistic words mean little or nothing - What we need is a far tougher policy on terms & conditions of people entering the UK. Better security at all Sea & Airports. And faster overall processing.
I understand that the value of Queens Park properties could, and might be devalued, but there are far more factors to be considered by people - before underestimating, or pre-judging Queens Park as a whole!
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 12:54am Mon 4 Feb 08
People Power: [quote]I find your presumptuous, and intolerant attitude typical of those who do not wish to see the full picture[/quote]
I do see the bigger picture. Most people, however, don't, and a democracy is about bidding for the majority, and the majority do not wish to have their neighbourhoods infested with thieves and drug addicts.
[quote]And, just how exactly do you see this as solving the problem ? Except to take it out of your community, your area, your back yard!
Yet more nimby'ism.[/quote]
I would suggest that they be taken, Preferablly to some remote area, where there are no shops or cars to rob, no birds/lads to impress, no booze or drugs, where they are constantly supported by specialists in a hard-but-fair manner, and taught social skills, so they can then be released back into society once reformed. This will never happen as Brits are too Conservative to accept alternative ideas, and no government under the present system would provide the funds for such a thing. Therefore, under the system as we know it, such individuals should be kept well away from the ordinary Middle-Class and Working-Class communities as they will just bring everyone else down to their level.
[quote]If the boot was on the other foot, and it was us who were drawn into a world of alcoholism, through depression (which is not impossible)[/quote]
Some maybe. However, plenty of people have lived through hard times, yet have never resorted to booze, drugs or causing trouble to other people. Many of these druggies do not understand anything other than violence, and will take advantage of anyone or anything that they can get away with.
[quote]we would expect just as much support, and care as these people at Queens Park Hostel.[/quote]
Maybe you would, but I wouldn't.
It is pointless expecting governments to do anything for the poor, as they are on the side of big business and corporate capitalism. As for NIMBYism, it is only natural for home owners to protect and preserve their own. The laws of nature are geared for survival of the fittest, and until the weak and the useless minority are eliminated from the gene pool, the strong majority will not be able to prosper like they should.
People Power:
I find your presumptuous, and intolerant attitude typical of those who do not wish to see the full picture
I do see the bigger picture. Most people, however, don't, and a democracy is about bidding for the majority, and the majority do not wish to have their neighbourhoods infested with thieves and drug addicts.
And, just how exactly do you see this as solving the problem ? Except to take it out of your community, your area, your back yard!
Yet more nimby'ism.
I would suggest that they be taken, Preferablly to some remote area, where there are no shops or cars to rob, no birds/lads to impress, no booze or drugs, where they are constantly supported by specialists in a hard-but-fair manner, and taught social skills, so they can then be released back into society once reformed. This will never happen as Brits are too Conservative to accept alternative ideas, and no government under the present system would provide the funds for such a thing. Therefore, under the system as we know it, such individuals should be kept well away from the ordinary Middle-Class and Working-Class communities as they will just bring everyone else down to their level.
If the boot was on the other foot, and it was us who were drawn into a world of alcoholism, through depression (which is not impossible)
Some maybe. However, plenty of people have lived through hard times, yet have never resorted to booze, drugs or causing trouble to other people. Many of these druggies do not understand anything other than violence, and will take advantage of anyone or anything that they can get away with.
we would expect just as much support, and care as these people at Queens Park Hostel.
Maybe you would, but I wouldn't.
It is pointless expecting governments to do anything for the poor, as they are on the side of big business and corporate capitalism. As for NIMBYism, it is only natural for home owners to protect and preserve their own. The laws of nature are geared for survival of the fittest, and until the weak and the useless minority are eliminated from the gene pool, the strong majority will not be able to prosper like they should.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:09am Mon 4 Feb 08
Just don't apply to the care sector for work, as your levels of compassion or tolerance are clearly negligable!
Just don't apply to the care sector for work, as your levels of compassion or tolerance are clearly negligable!
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 9:55pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I save my compassion for those who fall on hard times through no fault of their own. This does not include neds and junkies who commit unprovoked assaults on passers by, intimidate the elderly, commit acts of wanton vandalism and make the lives of others hell. Such characters are total scum and the more that die from ODing, the better.
I save my compassion for those who fall on hard times through no fault of their own. This does not include neds and junkies who commit unprovoked assaults on passers by, intimidate the elderly, commit acts of wanton vandalism and make the lives of others hell. Such characters are total scum and the more that die from ODing, the better.
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