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We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb
 
Wyndford Estate residents John Broderick, William Carroll, Maureen Wilson and Margaret Boyle show some of the bills they have received from Cube Housing Association
Wyndford Estate residents John Broderick, William Carroll, Maureen Wilson and Margaret Boyle show some of the bills they have received from Cube Housing Association
 
Sam McCartney
Sam McCartney
 

by Marianne Taylor

HOUSING associations that act as factors to owners of former council homes are supposed to be models of housing practice, with the welfare of tenants and homeowners at the heart of their policy.

However, some residents say they are just as guilty of high charges as private property management firms.

The Evening Times has uncovered evidence some are charging huge sums for the simplest of cleaning, gardening and electrical work.

Housing association factors - like their counterparts in the private sector - are not licensed or registered and Communities Scotland, the housing regulatory organisation, has limited jurisdiction over their activities as property managers.

Homeowners on the Wyndford Estate, Maryhill, say their factor, Cube Housing, regularly charges huge sums for small repairs.

Retired John Broderick has lived in his home for 26 years. The 58-year-old said: "Some of the charges are outrageous.

"In the past year we have been charged £44 to change a light bulb that costs £1 to buy and £137 to clear a blocked bin chute - an easy job that took five minutes.

"After a fire in the bin area I offered to buy and replace a padlock, at a cost of about £3.50. But I was told I was not allowed to do that.

"We were later charged £36 for the job."

A 63-year-old neighbour also criticised Cube Housing.

Margaret Boyle added: "Sometimes the factor sends us bills for work done almost a year ago. How are we supposed to keep up with that?

"Many of us feel we are being ripped off."

Maureen Wilson is a 65-year-old cleaner and also lives on the Wyndford Estate. She said: "The charges just seem to go up and up."

Willie Croft, head of regeneration for Cube Housing, said: "Health and safety procedures must be adhered to, but if there are cheaper ways to do repairs we would be more than happy to look at them.

"We look forward to meeting owners to discuss this issue."

Gillian Thomson was shocked when her factor, Clydebank Housing Association, charged her and eight neighbours £182 to fix a light timer.

The 39-year-old said: "We could not believe it - it seemed such a tiny job.

"To make things worse, the workman broke the lock on the cupboard where the timer is and we were then charged a further £60 to get that fixed."

Alison Macfarlane, the housing association's senior maintenance officer, denied a workman had broken the lock, but conceded a mistake had been made.

She said: "We should have changed the invoice wording from adjust time clock' to renew timeclock'."

Despite the error, the association will not be refunding residents.

Knightswood resident Sam McCartney got into a dispute with his factor, Glasgow Housing Association, when it quoted him and two neighbours more than £1000 each to have the outside of their homes painted.

Mr McCartney, a 54-year-old social worker whose home is in a four-in-a-block, refused to pay and got his own tradesman to do the job - for £250 each.

He said: "£3000 to paint the outside of our building is ridiculous.

"I asked GHA in writing for a breakdown of the costs and it failed to respond.

"I got my own quote and asked GHA to use our tradesman, but it refused."

But a GHA spokeswoman said it was "misleading" and "inappropriate" to compare the quotes.

She added: "Independent or local businesses may be able to offer a cheaper quote, but the specifications, quality and warranty of the work are unlikely to meet GHA's exacting criteria."

Ricky Glen was stunned when he added up his factor's bill and realised Shettleston Housing Association was charging him and his neighbours a total of £864 a year to cut a 6m x 6m piece of grass at the back of their tenement.

Mr Glen, 58, a blacksmith, said: "It is obvious the association is not shopping around for the best quotes.

"It recently sent us a quote of £6000 - £500 per house - for a new close door. A friend who is a tradesman said it could be done for £2000.

"Thankfully, owners were able to outvote tenants and put a stop to the work."

Chris Cunningham, director of Shettleston Housing Association, agreed the charge for landscaping Mr Glen's garden was too high.

He added: "The way we negotiated our contract has clearly produced unfair anomalies, with some people paying too much. We will be reviewing the matter across the board.

"We believe the door is good value for money, but would be happy to discuss other products with owners."

Govan-based lawyer Mike Dailly, who campaigns for fair practice in housing, said too many social housing bodies were letting homeowners down.

He said: "While some housing association factors are very good indeed, others are truly awful.

"High charges would appear commonplace in Glasgow.

"National statutory laws are needed for private and housing association factors."

Publication date 05/02/08

Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 11:36am Tue 5 Feb 08
I really symathise with the tenants of the housing associations and the exhorbitant charges they have to pay.Home owners like myself are also at the mercy of high charging tradesmen who when quoting for work never ever give proper breakdowns but figures which appear to be plucked out the air.
Another example of Rip Off Britain.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 11:48am Tue 5 Feb 08
where do you start to sond off about factors. i have so many complaints i could be here til this time next year. i agree with many folk abouit the charging. my factors seem to get a price for a job, then ignore it and charge about 6 times that price and that a conservative estimate. and these people are supposed to be working for the home owners!!
Posted by: David , Maryhill, Maryhill on 12:51pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Glad to see The Times doing a long waited investigation into one of the most unaccountable organisations in our city. Hope private factors are also included. Not meaning to offend GHA tenants but private tenants pay their way thru council taxes and own maintenance. We find it hard to fathom why it costs so much to maintain common tenement flat areas. When costs are queried usually get a short sharp reply back.
Posted by: marty, Glasgow on 1:00pm Tue 5 Feb 08
These housing associations can have a poor attitude towards those who dare to own their own (ex-local authority) home. There's a real conflict of interest too - they instruct often unnecessary work, and its the owners who foot the sky-high charges, whilst the tennents's contributions are "virtual money" which is nothing more than shifting figures on a balance sheet of public/charity money.

Try to get a housing assoc. factor to fix a blocked drainpipe or non-locking close door and you'll be lucky to get a shortsighted botch job with no accountability or guarantee. But when the association decides to re-roof a water-tight roof as part of wholesale maintenance programmes - it's the owners who really pay for it.
Posted by: Aunt Sally, Glasgow on 1:37pm Tue 5 Feb 08
We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb


Should have went to Asda mate !!!
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 2:05pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I have a friend in Canada who lives in a private townhouse complex in Calgary. They have a "self managed strata council" that takes "factors" or their equivalent out of the scenario. It's works very well because everybody is looking out for each other's interests as everybody in the complex shares the cost of all repairs. They never get a job done without 3 quotes.
Posted by: stephensimmons, Glagow on 2:14pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Sorry but this is lazy journalism and bandwagon jumping at its highest. Factors have to employ registered trades and as far as i can see the biggest issue is the cost of trades themselves. I assume they have to use an electrician to change bulbs for health and safety reasons so that £44 is probably a standard call out charge. Can the evening times write an unbiased article?
Posted by: titchybabe, Glasgow on 2:43pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Whilst i agree that some factoring companies (generally the smaller ones)do not offer the best service to their customers, i think it is unfair to tar all factors with the same brush. I worked for one of the largest factors for 10 years and at all times the aim of the company was to assist the owners in the maintenance of their property. Some owners simply do not understand the role of factors - it is not their job to fund maintenance at properties but to assist the owners in the maintenance. If there are uncooperative owners and tenanted properties the factors can meet a brick wall in trying to get repairs done or even getting a reply to correspondence. As a property manager it was not unusual to face verbal and even physical abuse from clients generally on a daily basis which was totally demoralising when all you were trying to do was assist an owner
Posted by: dtb, Glasga on 3:05pm Tue 5 Feb 08
stephensimmons wrote:
Sorry but this is lazy journalism and bandwagon jumping at its highest. Factors have to employ registered trades and as far as i can see the biggest issue is the cost of trades themselves. I assume they have to use an electrician to change bulbs for health and safety reasons so that £44 is probably a standard call out charge. Can the evening times write an unbiased article?
Are you saying that its OK to charge £44 to change a light bulb ?? I dont understand what you mean by 'unbiased' There is nothing biased about the article, though plenty of bias in the cost the factors charge.
Posted by: stephensimmons, Glagow on 3:38pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Posted by: Richard Davis, Vienna on 3:41pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Aunt Sally wrote:
We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb Should have went to Asda mate !!!
Or changed it yourself.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:36pm Tue 5 Feb 08
my factors apparently dont employ their own tradesmen and they are supposedly one of the biggest in the city. That i find unbelievable and probably why they steal, sorry take so much of our hard earned cash for trivial jobs
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:37pm Tue 5 Feb 08
my factors apparently dont employ their own tradesmen and they are supposedly one of the biggest in the city. That i find unbelievable and probably why they steal, sorry take so much of our hard earned cash for trivial jobs
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:46pm Tue 5 Feb 08
when we bought a wee flat that was an ex council housing in glasgow there was 9 people in the building and there was only 3 owners we received a repair bill for the roof repair when divided between 9 tenants the bill came to 1245.06..... the amount for each resident which was 1/9 came to 34.09!! ( the acountant must have went to the RAGGED school!the same story about the utility door being chewed up to get into the electric in the close happened also, it was one thing after another,we eventually asked for help from the then mayor of glasgow whose secretary was very helpful...after that ,no more nonsense glad to say, i also told the factor that court proceedings were in place.we also received a bill for ' repairs to the back door when someone came to squirt some oil on it,some one in the building took a photo along with the bill, that also was given to the housing authorities.....neve
r heard anymore about it!! chancers in every way.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 6:12pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Forgive me if this question appears thick but why is a factor needed?..
When i was a kid my parent s lived in a close on Newlands Rd (Southside) & there was 11 separate houses & they all chipped in if anything needed repaired..
I do remember that a factor tried to take control of said close but to no avail, so again why a factor???.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 6:14pm Tue 5 Feb 08
stephensimmons wrote:
Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Its a bloody lightbulb not the installation of a light-switch, it takes two mins, god some people.
Posted by: wattaj, Edinburgh on 9:07pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I am struck by the negative tone to many of the comments here. But we should also remember that there are good guys out there.
Unfortunately, bad press (no pun intended) tends to travel better than the good.
I would like to see more comment from the property management companies themselves.
Perhaps this will be addressed in future articles.
The industry really does need to improve its image... Supporting this campaign to root out the cowboys would be a good start.
I hope that they take the time to join in here and, maybe, drop by the Rate Your Factor website as well.
We welcome everyone. ;-)

www.RateYourFactor.c
o.uk
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 9:10pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Cube are known for hostile approaches on lone pensioners. Aware of one who was door stepped with a request to sign that day. The contract was for a share of CCTV. An utter disgrace and the kind of shady practises that should have resulted in a call to the police. The pensioner didn't sign, thankfully they left with causing harm. Such stress of an uninvited professional at the door without appointment could have lead to enough distress to cause
an unmentionable.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 9:17pm Tue 5 Feb 08
GHA factoring should wake up. The pensioners of today might accept that a Scottish Provident can give away a debt. Only for that debt to incur further charges by way of administration but, the future wont hold this sort of cowboy credit agency. Why is it that nearly ever private tenant, where renovation works are carried out, are charged the same fee of six thousand pounds. This regardless of whether they live in a deck access or multi-storey.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:42pm Tue 5 Feb 08
just hope you do not have a leaking roof! this was reported to the then glasgow housing department, scaffolding was erected.... in front of the wrong close.! the scaffolding was up for 2 weeks(at hundreds of pounds a day rental)eventually the roof was repaired,carpets were soaked. no compensation....slum landlords? tell me about it!!
Posted by: stephensimmons, Glagow on 9:57am Wed 6 Feb 08
Biffo the bear wrote:
stephensimmons wrote: Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Its a bloody lightbulb not the installation of a light-switch, it takes two mins, god some people.
If a company has to use registered trades in order to comply with H & S regulations then it is quite clear why the cost would be this. Owners can easily do this themselves should they wish however a factor cannot approve someone who is not registered to do work on their behalf. This is not a complicated concept Biffo but your ignorance betrays a lack of understanding. Should the factor hand a light bulb and a fiver to someone in the street and ask them to do it? Think before you post next time.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 1:07pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Stephen,Stephen,Step
hen true ignorance is when you stoop to name calling & trying to belittle others with your posts..
I stand by what i posted,its a light-bulb nothing more & to charge £44 for changing it is it liberty.
Dump the factors & self-factor instead as it makes more sense..
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:20pm Wed 6 Feb 08
another **** up by the glasgow city housing sevices....they took the light fixtures from the drying area, put brand new ones up, then 2 weeks later took them down again leaving us without ANY light fixtures altogether, when i phoned to ask why we had no light fixtures or lighting, the excuse i got was"it must have been 'bogus' workmen who were responsible! ha,ha, they had housing uniforms on!!(has anyone ever watched carry on gang shows on the telly?if we could get a movie made of these dopey factors it would be a terrific seller!!
Posted by: rgtrrgtr, netherlee on 12:33pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Factors and lightbulbs:

It is of course the labour charge that makes it expensive. so the answer is easy: change every lightbulb once every two years.

it is much much cheaper that way.

then of course BEWARE because most factors have an agreement with scottish power that enables scottish power to charge the highest rate possible, and THEN they pay the factor upto 40% of what the factor pays them on your behalf.

actually thats fraudulent misrepresentation

so watch out that they dont put high wattage bulbs in when they are not needed.

may patricia get her bill thru quickly, and can we have MANDATORY prison sentences for sinning factors.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:07pm Thu 7 Feb 08
what puzzles me is.... the amount of paper work regarding the overpriced light bulb , the factor had to pay a secretary to type up the bill, stamps, then someone to post the envelopes, HELLO ...jump in your car, drive to the the close, replace lightbulb.....bingo, surely some fit wee secretary can manage that job, after all dont these people get paid by the residents i have changed a lot of light bulbs nyself when i was working,or i would be working in the dark,,,we would not phone an electrician to do this.....too expensive.its called...taking care of buisness.get real.
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