Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 11:36am Tue 5 Feb 08
I really symathise with the tenants of the housing associations and the exhorbitant charges they have to pay.Home owners like myself are also at the mercy of high charging tradesmen who when quoting for work never ever give proper breakdowns but figures which appear to be plucked out the air.
Another example of Rip Off Britain.
I really symathise with the tenants of the housing associations and the exhorbitant charges they have to pay.Home owners like myself are also at the mercy of high charging tradesmen who when quoting for work never ever give proper breakdowns but figures which appear to be plucked out the air.
Another example of Rip Off Britain.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 11:48am Tue 5 Feb 08
where do you start to sond off about factors. i have so many complaints i could be here til this time next year. i agree with many folk abouit the charging. my factors seem to get a price for a job, then ignore it and charge about 6 times that price and that a conservative estimate. and these people are supposed to be working for the home owners!!
where do you start to sond off about factors. i have so many complaints i could be here til this time next year. i agree with many folk abouit the charging. my factors seem to get a price for a job, then ignore it and charge about 6 times that price and that a conservative estimate. and these people are supposed to be working for the home owners!!
Posted by: David , Maryhill, Maryhill on 12:51pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Glad to see The Times doing a long waited investigation into one of the most unaccountable organisations in our city. Hope private factors are also included. Not meaning to offend GHA tenants but private tenants pay their way thru council taxes and own maintenance. We find it hard to fathom why it costs so much to maintain common tenement flat areas. When costs are queried usually get a short sharp reply back.
Glad to see The Times doing a long waited investigation into one of the most unaccountable organisations in our city. Hope private factors are also included. Not meaning to offend GHA tenants but private tenants pay their way thru council taxes and own maintenance. We find it hard to fathom why it costs so much to maintain common tenement flat areas. When costs are queried usually get a short sharp reply back.
Posted by: marty, Glasgow on 1:00pm Tue 5 Feb 08
These housing associations can have a poor attitude towards those who dare to own their own (ex-local authority) home. There's a real conflict of interest too - they instruct often unnecessary work, and its the owners who foot the sky-high charges, whilst the tennents's contributions are "virtual money" which is nothing more than shifting figures on a balance sheet of public/charity money.
Try to get a housing assoc. factor to fix a blocked drainpipe or non-locking close door and you'll be lucky to get a shortsighted botch job with no accountability or guarantee. But when the association decides to re-roof a water-tight roof as part of wholesale maintenance programmes - it's the owners who really pay for it.
These housing associations can have a poor attitude towards those who dare to own their own (ex-local authority) home. There's a real conflict of interest too - they instruct often unnecessary work, and its the owners who foot the sky-high charges, whilst the tennents's contributions are "virtual money" which is nothing more than shifting figures on a balance sheet of public/charity money.
Try to get a housing assoc. factor to fix a blocked drainpipe or non-locking close door and you'll be lucky to get a shortsighted botch job with no accountability or guarantee. But when the association decides to re-roof a water-tight roof as part of wholesale maintenance programmes - it's the owners who really pay for it.
Posted by: Aunt Sally, Glasgow on 1:37pm Tue 5 Feb 08
We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb
Should have went to Asda mate !!!
We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb
Should have went to Asda mate !!!
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 2:05pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I have a friend in Canada who lives in a private townhouse complex in Calgary. They have a "self managed strata council" that takes "factors" or their equivalent out of the scenario. It's works very well because everybody is looking out for each other's interests as everybody in the complex shares the cost of all repairs. They never get a job done without 3 quotes.
I have a friend in Canada who lives in a private townhouse complex in Calgary. They have a "self managed strata council" that takes "factors" or their equivalent out of the scenario. It's works very well because everybody is looking out for each other's interests as everybody in the complex shares the cost of all repairs. They never get a job done without 3 quotes.
Posted by: stephensimmons, Glagow on 2:14pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Sorry but this is lazy journalism and bandwagon jumping at its highest. Factors have to employ registered trades and as far as i can see the biggest issue is the cost of trades themselves. I assume they have to use an electrician to change bulbs for health and safety reasons so that £44 is probably a standard call out charge. Can the evening times write an unbiased article?
Sorry but this is lazy journalism and bandwagon jumping at its highest. Factors have to employ registered trades and as far as i can see the biggest issue is the cost of trades themselves. I assume they have to use an electrician to change bulbs for health and safety reasons so that £44 is probably a standard call out charge. Can the evening times write an unbiased article?
Posted by: titchybabe, Glasgow on 2:43pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Whilst i agree that some factoring companies (generally the smaller ones)do not offer the best service to their customers, i think it is unfair to tar all factors with the same brush. I worked for one of the largest factors for 10 years and at all times the aim of the company was to assist the owners in the maintenance of their property. Some owners simply do not understand the role of factors - it is not their job to fund maintenance at properties but to assist the owners in the maintenance. If there are uncooperative owners and tenanted properties the factors can meet a brick wall in trying to get repairs done or even getting a reply to correspondence. As a property manager it was not unusual to face verbal and even physical abuse from clients generally on a daily basis which was totally demoralising when all you were trying to do was assist an owner
Whilst i agree that some factoring companies (generally the smaller ones)do not offer the best service to their customers, i think it is unfair to tar all factors with the same brush. I worked for one of the largest factors for 10 years and at all times the aim of the company was to assist the owners in the maintenance of their property. Some owners simply do not understand the role of factors - it is not their job to fund maintenance at properties but to assist the owners in the maintenance. If there are uncooperative owners and tenanted properties the factors can meet a brick wall in trying to get repairs done or even getting a reply to correspondence. As a property manager it was not unusual to face verbal and even physical abuse from clients generally on a daily basis which was totally demoralising when all you were trying to do was assist an owner
Posted by: dtb, Glasga on 3:05pm Tue 5 Feb 08
[quote][bold]stephensimmons[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but this is lazy journalism and bandwagon jumping at its highest. Factors have to employ registered trades and as far as i can see the biggest issue is the cost of trades themselves. I assume they have to use an electrician to change bulbs for health and safety reasons so that £44 is probably a standard call out charge. Can the evening times write an unbiased article?[/quote] Are you saying that its OK to charge £44 to change a light bulb ?? I dont understand what you mean by 'unbiased' There is nothing biased about the article, though plenty of bias in the cost the factors charge.
stephensimmons wrote:
Sorry but this is lazy journalism and bandwagon jumping at its highest. Factors have to employ registered trades and as far as i can see the biggest issue is the cost of trades themselves. I assume they have to use an electrician to change bulbs for health and safety reasons so that £44 is probably a standard call out charge. Can the evening times write an unbiased article?
Are you saying that its OK to charge £44 to change a light bulb ?? I dont understand what you mean by 'unbiased' There is nothing biased about the article, though plenty of bias in the cost the factors charge.
Posted by: stephensimmons, Glagow on 3:38pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Posted by: Richard Davis, Vienna on 3:41pm Tue 5 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Aunt Sally[/bold] wrote:
We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb Should have went to Asda mate !!! [/quote] Or changed it yourself.
Aunt Sally wrote:
We had to pay £44 to change a light bulb Should have went to Asda mate !!!
Or changed it yourself.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:36pm Tue 5 Feb 08
my factors apparently dont employ their own tradesmen and they are supposedly one of the biggest in the city. That i find unbelievable and probably why they steal, sorry take so much of our hard earned cash for trivial jobs
my factors apparently dont employ their own tradesmen and they are supposedly one of the biggest in the city. That i find unbelievable and probably why they steal, sorry take so much of our hard earned cash for trivial jobs
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:37pm Tue 5 Feb 08
my factors apparently dont employ their own tradesmen and they are supposedly one of the biggest in the city. That i find unbelievable and probably why they steal, sorry take so much of our hard earned cash for trivial jobs
my factors apparently dont employ their own tradesmen and they are supposedly one of the biggest in the city. That i find unbelievable and probably why they steal, sorry take so much of our hard earned cash for trivial jobs
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:46pm Tue 5 Feb 08
when we bought a wee flat that was an ex council housing in glasgow there was 9 people in the building and there was only 3 owners we received a repair bill for the roof repair when divided between 9 tenants the bill came to 1245.06..... the amount for each resident which was 1/9 came to 34.09!! ( the acountant must have went to the RAGGED school!the same story about the utility door being chewed up to get into the electric in the close happened also, it was one thing after another,we eventually asked for help from the then mayor of glasgow whose secretary was very helpful...after that ,no more nonsense glad to say, i also told the factor that court proceedings were in place.we also received a bill for ' repairs to the back door when someone came to squirt some oil on it,some one in the building took a photo along with the bill, that also was given to the housing authorities.....neve
r heard anymore about it!! chancers in every way.
when we bought a wee flat that was an ex council housing in glasgow there was 9 people in the building and there was only 3 owners we received a repair bill for the roof repair when divided between 9 tenants the bill came to 1245.06..... the amount for each resident which was 1/9 came to 34.09!! ( the acountant must have went to the RAGGED school!the same story about the utility door being chewed up to get into the electric in the close happened also, it was one thing after another,we eventually asked for help from the then mayor of glasgow whose secretary was very helpful...after that ,no more nonsense glad to say, i also told the factor that court proceedings were in place.we also received a bill for ' repairs to the back door when someone came to squirt some oil on it,some one in the building took a photo along with the bill, that also was given to the housing authorities.....neve
r heard anymore about it!! chancers in every way.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 6:12pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Forgive me if this question appears thick but why is a factor needed?..
When i was a kid my parent s lived in a close on Newlands Rd (Southside) & there was 11 separate houses & they all chipped in if anything needed repaired..
I do remember that a factor tried to take control of said close but to no avail, so again why a factor???.
Forgive me if this question appears thick but why is a factor needed?..
When i was a kid my parent s lived in a close on Newlands Rd (Southside) & there was 11 separate houses & they all chipped in if anything needed repaired..
I do remember that a factor tried to take control of said close but to no avail, so again why a factor???.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 6:14pm Tue 5 Feb 08
[quote][bold]stephensimmons[/bold] wrote:
Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician[/quote] Its a bloody lightbulb not the installation of a light-switch, it takes two mins, god some people.
stephensimmons wrote:
Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Its a bloody lightbulb not the installation of a light-switch, it takes two mins, god some people.
Posted by: wattaj, Edinburgh on 9:07pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I am struck by the negative tone to many of the comments here. But we should also remember that there are good guys out there.
Unfortunately, bad press (no pun intended) tends to travel better than the good.
I would like to see more comment from the property management companies themselves.
Perhaps this will be addressed in future articles.
The industry really does need to improve its image... Supporting this campaign to root out the cowboys would be a good start.
I hope that they take the time to join in here and, maybe, drop by the Rate Your Factor website as well.
We welcome everyone. ;-)
www.RateYourFactor.c
o.uk
I am struck by the negative tone to many of the comments here. But we should also remember that there are good guys out there.
Unfortunately, bad press (no pun intended) tends to travel better than the good.
I would like to see more comment from the property management companies themselves.
Perhaps this will be addressed in future articles.
The industry really does need to improve its image... Supporting this campaign to root out the cowboys would be a good start.
I hope that they take the time to join in here and, maybe, drop by the Rate Your Factor website as well.
We welcome everyone. ;-)
www.RateYourFactor.c
o.uk
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 9:10pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Cube are known for hostile approaches on lone pensioners. Aware of one who was door stepped with a request to sign that day. The contract was for a share of CCTV. An utter disgrace and the kind of shady practises that should have resulted in a call to the police. The pensioner didn't sign, thankfully they left with causing harm. Such stress of an uninvited professional at the door without appointment could have lead to enough distress to cause
an unmentionable.
Cube are known for hostile approaches on lone pensioners. Aware of one who was door stepped with a request to sign that day. The contract was for a share of CCTV. An utter disgrace and the kind of shady practises that should have resulted in a call to the police. The pensioner didn't sign, thankfully they left with causing harm. Such stress of an uninvited professional at the door without appointment could have lead to enough distress to cause
an unmentionable.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 9:17pm Tue 5 Feb 08
GHA factoring should wake up. The pensioners of today might accept that a Scottish Provident can give away a debt. Only for that debt to incur further charges by way of administration but, the future wont hold this sort of cowboy credit agency. Why is it that nearly ever private tenant, where renovation works are carried out, are charged the same fee of six thousand pounds. This regardless of whether they live in a deck access or multi-storey.
GHA factoring should wake up. The pensioners of today might accept that a Scottish Provident can give away a debt. Only for that debt to incur further charges by way of administration but, the future wont hold this sort of cowboy credit agency. Why is it that nearly ever private tenant, where renovation works are carried out, are charged the same fee of six thousand pounds. This regardless of whether they live in a deck access or multi-storey.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:42pm Tue 5 Feb 08
just hope you do not have a leaking roof! this was reported to the then glasgow housing department, scaffolding was erected.... in front of the wrong close.! the scaffolding was up for 2 weeks(at hundreds of pounds a day rental)eventually the roof was repaired,carpets were soaked. no compensation....slum landlords? tell me about it!!
just hope you do not have a leaking roof! this was reported to the then glasgow housing department, scaffolding was erected.... in front of the wrong close.! the scaffolding was up for 2 weeks(at hundreds of pounds a day rental)eventually the roof was repaired,carpets were soaked. no compensation....slum landlords? tell me about it!!
Posted by: stephensimmons, Glagow on 9:57am Wed 6 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]stephensimmons[/bold] wrote: Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician[/quote] Its a bloody lightbulb not the installation of a light-switch, it takes two mins, god some people. [/quote] If a company has to use registered trades in order to comply with H & S regulations then it is quite clear why the cost would be this. Owners can easily do this themselves should they wish however a factor cannot approve someone who is not registered to do work on their behalf. This is not a complicated concept Biffo but your ignorance betrays a lack of understanding. Should the factor hand a light bulb and a fiver to someone in the street and ask them to do it? Think before you post next time.
Biffo the bear wrote:
stephensimmons wrote: Sorry, what about the word unbiased dot you understand? The article is clearly weighted to paint factors in a negative light - can you really not see that? Also explain the alternative to the £44 to me then - who would you get to change the light bulb if not an electrician
Its a bloody lightbulb not the installation of a light-switch, it takes two mins, god some people.
If a company has to use registered trades in order to comply with H & S regulations then it is quite clear why the cost would be this. Owners can easily do this themselves should they wish however a factor cannot approve someone who is not registered to do work on their behalf. This is not a complicated concept Biffo but your ignorance betrays a lack of understanding. Should the factor hand a light bulb and a fiver to someone in the street and ask them to do it? Think before you post next time.
Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 1:07pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Stephen,Stephen,Step
hen true ignorance is when you stoop to name calling & trying to belittle others with your posts..
I stand by what i posted,its a light-bulb nothing more & to charge £44 for changing it is it liberty.
Dump the factors & self-factor instead as it makes more sense..
Stephen,Stephen,Step
hen true ignorance is when you stoop to name calling & trying to belittle others with your posts..
I stand by what i posted,its a light-bulb nothing more & to charge £44 for changing it is it liberty.
Dump the factors & self-factor instead as it makes more sense..
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:20pm Wed 6 Feb 08
another **** up by the glasgow city housing sevices....they took the light fixtures from the drying area, put brand new ones up, then 2 weeks later took them down again leaving us without ANY light fixtures altogether, when i phoned to ask why we had no light fixtures or lighting, the excuse i got was"it must have been 'bogus' workmen who were responsible! ha,ha, they had housing uniforms on!!(has anyone ever watched carry on gang shows on the telly?if we could get a movie made of these dopey factors it would be a terrific seller!!
another **** up by the glasgow city housing sevices....they took the light fixtures from the drying area, put brand new ones up, then 2 weeks later took them down again leaving us without ANY light fixtures altogether, when i phoned to ask why we had no light fixtures or lighting, the excuse i got was"it must have been 'bogus' workmen who were responsible! ha,ha, they had housing uniforms on!!(has anyone ever watched carry on gang shows on the telly?if we could get a movie made of these dopey factors it would be a terrific seller!!
Posted by: rgtrrgtr, netherlee on 12:33pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Factors and lightbulbs:
It is of course the [italic]labour[/italic] charge that makes it expensive. so the answer is easy: [bold]change every lightbulb once every two years.[/bold]
it is much much cheaper that way.
then of course BEWARE because most factors have an agreement with scottish power that enables scottish power to charge the highest rate possible, and THEN they pay the factor upto 40% of what the factor pays them on your behalf.
actually thats [bold]fraudulent misrepresentation[/bold]
so watch out that they dont put high wattage bulbs in when they are not needed.
may patricia get her bill thru quickly, and can we have MANDATORY prison sentences for sinning factors.
Factors and lightbulbs:
It is of course the
labour charge that makes it expensive. so the answer is easy:
change every lightbulb once every two years.
it is much much cheaper that way.
then of course BEWARE because most factors have an agreement with scottish power that enables scottish power to charge the highest rate possible, and THEN they pay the factor upto 40% of what the factor pays them on your behalf.
actually thats
fraudulent misrepresentation
so watch out that they dont put high wattage bulbs in when they are not needed.
may patricia get her bill thru quickly, and can we have MANDATORY prison sentences for sinning factors.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:07pm Thu 7 Feb 08
what puzzles me is.... the amount of paper work regarding the overpriced light bulb , the factor had to pay a secretary to type up the bill, stamps, then someone to post the envelopes, HELLO ...jump in your car, drive to the the close, replace lightbulb.....bingo, surely some fit wee secretary can manage that job, after all dont these people get paid by the residents i have changed a lot of light bulbs nyself when i was working,or i would be working in the dark,,,we would not phone an electrician to do this.....too expensive.its called...taking care of buisness.get real.
what puzzles me is.... the amount of paper work regarding the overpriced light bulb , the factor had to pay a secretary to type up the bill, stamps, then someone to post the envelopes, HELLO ...jump in your car, drive to the the close, replace lightbulb.....bingo, surely some fit wee secretary can manage that job, after all dont these people get paid by the residents i have changed a lot of light bulbs nyself when i was working,or i would be working in the dark,,,we would not phone an electrician to do this.....too expensive.its called...taking care of buisness.get real.