Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 10:59am Thu 14 Feb 08
This is great news. It will be a great improvement not only for the city itself but also for all the surrounding areas and beyond. Access to the airport from the east will also be greatly improved.
This is great news. It will be a great improvement not only for the city itself but also for all the surrounding areas and beyond. Access to the airport from the east will also be greatly improved.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:07am Thu 14 Feb 08
Did the Green party not lodge a claim at the EU parliament that the bid process was illegal? And is this not still on going?
Did the Green party not lodge a claim at the EU parliament that the bid process was illegal? And is this not still on going?
Posted by: Eric Flack, Drumchapel on 11:32am Thu 14 Feb 08
Should the Green Party not be liable for extra costs incurred due to delays on their part over various planning and procedural matters? The Green party delayed work and the costs went up.Why should we pay for their intransigence?
Should the Green Party not be liable for extra costs incurred due to delays on their part over various planning and procedural matters? The Green party delayed work and the costs went up.Why should we pay for their intransigence?
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:37am Thu 14 Feb 08
Wow .Well done Glasgow for taking this step forward,Now for crossrail
Wow .Well done Glasgow for taking this step forward,Now for crossrail
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 11:45am Thu 14 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Did the Green party not lodge a claim at the EU parliament that the bid process was illegal? And is this not still on going?[/quote] Lets just get on and build the thing,and not entertain any hold ups from the likes of the green party,people are fed up listening to these doom merchants
Meep wrote:
Did the Green party not lodge a claim at the EU parliament that the bid process was illegal? And is this not still on going?
Lets just get on and build the thing,and not entertain any hold ups from the likes of the green party,people are fed up listening to these doom merchants
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:56am Thu 14 Feb 08
Great, symbolic photo of Mr Purcell from the ET, the background (GPO building) epitomises his time as leader: [bold]a temporary facade fronted by gross commercialism, obscuring the reality of a litany of delay, deception and huge costs to taxpayers[/bold].
Great, symbolic photo of Mr Purcell from the ET, the background (GPO building) epitomises his time as leader:
a temporary facade fronted by gross commercialism, obscuring the reality of a litany of delay, deception and huge costs to taxpayers.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:12pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Maybe ditch any plans for Junction In RUTHERGLEN!
Maybe ditch any plans for Junction In RUTHERGLEN!
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 12:15pm Thu 14 Feb 08
[bold]Thank F--- for that![/bold]
I for one am sick to the teeth of the greens and carbon foot print this and carbon footprint that. For forty odd years we have been sitting on the bridge and now maybe our city can take off again HOORAY!!!!!!!
Thank F--- for that!
I for one am sick to the teeth of the greens and carbon foot print this and carbon footprint that. For forty odd years we have been sitting on the bridge and now maybe our city can take off again HOORAY!!!!!!!
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:24pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Oh Sydney, you drama queen, tell us which of Glasgow's (or other Councils') recent leaders you prefer. Alternatively, you could characterise Purcell's time as one of rising confidence in the city, progress on increasing the levels of jobs and investment, reining in the city's Council Tax (previously Scotland's highest), and seeing the deprivation indicators starting to improve (although they're still bad).
Your bitter personal (and largely unsubstantiated) attacks suggest a misunderstanding of the power of the Council Leader (not really that much). Purcell is largely a figurehead.
Oh Sydney, you drama queen, tell us which of Glasgow's (or other Councils') recent leaders you prefer. Alternatively, you could characterise Purcell's time as one of rising confidence in the city, progress on increasing the levels of jobs and investment, reining in the city's Council Tax (previously Scotland's highest), and seeing the deprivation indicators starting to improve (although they're still bad).
Your bitter personal (and largely unsubstantiated) attacks suggest a misunderstanding of the power of the Council Leader (not really that much). Purcell is largely a figurehead.
Posted by: cee, Glasgow on 12:57pm Thu 14 Feb 08
It is so refreshing to read that commonsense prevails amongst a good number of people on here today (with a few exceptions) in relation to the positive responses to the M74 extension.
Pity those NIMBY whatsits from SPP down the road don't have the same insight into progress in relation to the Pollok Park issue.
It is so refreshing to read that commonsense prevails amongst a good number of people on here today (with a few exceptions) in relation to the positive responses to the M74 extension.
Pity those NIMBY whatsits from SPP down the road don't have the same insight into progress in relation to the Pollok Park issue.
Posted by: Seymour Hope, Glasgow on 1:23pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Dear Green party protesters. Get it up yeah you bunch of long haired unwashed hippies who like to protest against development but never come up with tangible solutions social or civil infrastructure problem. Thank god this country got developed enough to give us clean drinking water and a sewage infrastructure before you had a voivce otherwise we would still have open sewers and be collecting rain water to ****.
Dear Green party protesters. Get it up yeah you bunch of long haired unwashed hippies who like to protest against development but never come up with tangible solutions social or civil infrastructure problem. Thank god this country got developed enough to give us clean drinking water and a sewage infrastructure before you had a voivce otherwise we would still have open sewers and be collecting rain water to ****.
Posted by: marty, Glasgow on 1:32pm Thu 14 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Great, symbolic photo of Mr Purcell from the ET, the background (GPO building) epitomises his time as leader: [bold]a temporary facade fronted by gross commercialism, obscuring the reality of a litany of delay, deception and huge costs to taxpayers[/bold].[/quote] Tee hee, I love your daily rants against Mr Purcell and how he's somehow personally responsible for all of mankind's woes!
The Sidney doth protest too much... did the pair of you have an acrimonious split in the past?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Great, symbolic photo of Mr Purcell from the ET, the background (GPO building) epitomises his time as leader: a temporary facade fronted by gross commercialism, obscuring the reality of a litany of delay, deception and huge costs to taxpayers.
Tee hee, I love your daily rants against Mr Purcell and how he's somehow personally responsible for all of mankind's woes!
The Sidney doth protest too much... did the pair of you have an acrimonious split in the past?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 2:44pm Thu 14 Feb 08
[quote][bold]marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: Great, symbolic photo of Mr Purcell from the ET, the background (GPO building) epitomises his time as leader: [bold]a temporary facade fronted by gross commercialism, obscuring the reality of a litany of delay, deception and huge costs to taxpayers[/bold].[/quote] Tee hee, I love your daily rants against Mr Purcell and how he's somehow personally responsible for all of mankind's woes! The Sidney doth protest too much... did the pair of you have an acrimonious split in the past? [/quote] Apart from cementing my lawn, no, and even that turned out for the better....
Mr Purcell is largely a figurehead, you know, and he's actually a very friendly, amenable and jocular chap, so I'm sure he takes things in the spirit and context they are offered.
marty wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote: Great, symbolic photo of Mr Purcell from the ET, the background (GPO building) epitomises his time as leader: a temporary facade fronted by gross commercialism, obscuring the reality of a litany of delay, deception and huge costs to taxpayers.
Tee hee, I love your daily rants against Mr Purcell and how he's somehow personally responsible for all of mankind's woes! The Sidney doth protest too much... did the pair of you have an acrimonious split in the past?
Apart from cementing my lawn, no, and even that turned out for the better....
Mr Purcell is largely a figurehead, you know, and he's actually a very friendly, amenable and jocular chap, so I'm sure he takes things in the spirit and context they are offered.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 2:56pm Thu 14 Feb 08
[quote]Your bitter personal attacks....[/quote]
Ooops, sorry brad, nearly missed you hiding in the bushes there! If you actually read what I wrote:
[quote]....epitomises his time as leader....[/quote]
it's clear taht this is referring to his (or to accept your logic, his administration's) performance, it is not about him personally (see above), but then I'm sure you already knew that and just got the big spoon out anyway. ;-)
Your bitter personal attacks....
Ooops, sorry brad, nearly missed you hiding in the bushes there! If you actually read what I wrote:
....epitomises his time as leader....
it's clear taht this is referring to his (or to accept your logic, his administration's) performance, it is not about him personally (see above), but then I'm sure you already knew that and just got the big spoon out anyway. ;-)
Posted by: JayBrown, Helensburgh on 3:13pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Finally this important piece of infrastructure is being built. I am sick to death of the greens especially Patrick Harvie always harping on about road tolls and public Transport. I he made a pledge to reduce fares on the trains then i might use them. £8 return from Helensburgh to Queen Street is preposterous and a lot cheaper to take the car even with petrol prices as high as they are. I bet has hasn't queued on the Kingston Bridge for hours waiting to get through the city. Will be godd with regeneration of the East of the City, something which has been needed for a while. If it was upto the greens this would be a farm or wildlife habitat!!! Well done Glasgow City Council and the M74 consortium!
Finally this important piece of infrastructure is being built. I am sick to death of the greens especially Patrick Harvie always harping on about road tolls and public Transport. I he made a pledge to reduce fares on the trains then i might use them. £8 return from Helensburgh to Queen Street is preposterous and a lot cheaper to take the car even with petrol prices as high as they are. I bet has hasn't queued on the Kingston Bridge for hours waiting to get through the city. Will be godd with regeneration of the East of the City, something which has been needed for a while. If it was upto the greens this would be a farm or wildlife habitat!!! Well done Glasgow City Council and the M74 consortium!
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:23pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Sorry, Syd, it's just when you say [yesterday] things like... "a concerted effort by council leader Purcell and his manipulative, rich chums in big business to attack all forms of public service provision"; or "Purcell is determined to decimate council-managed service provision"; or "huge profits for those who stroke Purcell's ego, and are duly rewarded with key posts in the new setup", well, it does sound a bit personal to me...
Sorry, Syd, it's just when you say things like... "a concerted effort by council leader Purcell and his manipulative, rich chums in big business to attack all forms of public service provision"; or "Purcell is determined to decimate council-managed service provision"; or "huge profits for those who stroke Purcell's ego, and are duly rewarded with key posts in the new setup", well, it does sound a bit personal to me...
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:25pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Sounds like a Bond baddie... I wonder if Purcell has a white ****?
Sounds like a Bond baddie... I wonder if Purcell has a white ****?
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:27pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Hey ET, replacing my five-letter word with 4 asterisks make it look worse than it was! (I meant it as "cat", of course...)
Hey ET, replacing my five-letter word with 4 asterisks make it look worse than it was! (I meant it as "cat", of course...)
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:41pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Aye, are you sure Brad, five letters and white and cat-related.... I'm beginning to wonder!
Anyway as you're quote rightly reflects I refer to Mr Purcell as 'council leader', so anything after that is in that context.
Aye, are you sure Brad, five letters and white and cat-related.... I'm beginning to wonder!
Anyway as you're quote rightly reflects I refer to Mr Purcell as 'council leader', so anything after that is in that context.
Posted by: bossman, lanarkshire on 4:16pm Thu 14 Feb 08
This is brilliant news and about time the greens were shown their place. They are...AN INSIGNIFANT MINORITY who are given to much credence.
This is brilliant news and about time the greens were shown their place. They are...AN INSIGNIFANT MINORITY who are given to much credence.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 4:27pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Such excitement over the building of a.......road.
I thought some new technological development had been started in the East End! Honestly, we're like cavemen getting excited over a piece of concrete.
Such excitement over the building of a.......road.
I thought some new technological development had been started in the East End! Honestly, we're like cavemen getting excited over a piece of concrete.
Posted by: Andrew Stephen, Cumbernauld on 4:57pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Now can we have Glasgow Crossrail and the re-opening of the Edinburgh Suburban Rail Line!
Now can we have Glasgow Crossrail and the re-opening of the Edinburgh Suburban Rail Line!
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 5:02pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Excellent news! This will finally open up the south and east to get some decent regeneration work done. This will also finally reduce some of the traffic across the Kingston Bridge and much improve access for the east of the city and the Lanarkshire towns to the Airport.
Great news for Glasgow!
Excellent news! This will finally open up the south and east to get some decent regeneration work done. This will also finally reduce some of the traffic across the Kingston Bridge and much improve access for the east of the city and the Lanarkshire towns to the Airport.
Great news for Glasgow!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:39pm Thu 14 Feb 08
It was bound to happen - like the M77 extension / diversionary route through Pollok Park. It was just a matter of when ?
As ambivolous as I am about this - being so aware of the "Jam74" campaign, for environmental, as well as practical reasons.
See: [bold]www. jam74. org[/bold]
Obviously peoples houses will have to be demolished to allow for the route of this link up. Clearly those posting are not the affected ones who's perhaps lifetime homes will bulldozed.
Also, as this will cost £445 million on top of the hundereds of millions the 2014 Commonwealth Games - [bold]EXACTLY WHERE THE HE** WILL THIS MONEY COME FROM - THIN AIR ?[/bold]
This for me raises more questions than answers, despite the clear celebratory mood from some obvious drivers ( who probably don't know what a bus is!)
The cost implications of the M74 & 2014 Commonwelath Games will clearly see a cut in Public Services, an innevitable increase in Council Tax ; potential loss of "free personal care" ; even School meals could be affected.
So, beware all those who celebrate so soon!
This could see egg on all your faces, when your services are pulled out from underneath you, and costs in all areas are hiked right up!
It was bound to happen - like the M77 extension / diversionary route through Pollok Park. It was just a matter of when ?
As ambivolous as I am about this - being so aware of the "Jam74" campaign, for environmental, as well as practical reasons.
See:
www. jam74. org
Obviously peoples houses will have to be demolished to allow for the route of this link up. Clearly those posting are not the affected ones who's perhaps lifetime homes will bulldozed.
Also, as this will cost £445 million on top of the hundereds of millions the 2014 Commonwealth Games -
EXACTLY WHERE THE HE** WILL THIS MONEY COME FROM - THIN AIR ?
This for me raises more questions than answers, despite the clear celebratory mood from some obvious drivers ( who probably don't know what a bus is!)
The cost implications of the M74 & 2014 Commonwelath Games will clearly see a cut in Public Services, an innevitable increase in Council Tax ; potential loss of "free personal care" ; even School meals could be affected.
So, beware all those who celebrate so soon!
This could see egg on all your faces, when your services are pulled out from underneath you, and costs in all areas are hiked right up!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:19pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Aye lovely terms there - NOT! ha ha! - not sure that anybodys s.exuality (if I'm aloud to say that without asterisks blocking part of the word!)is relevant these days!
What Purcell does or doesn't do in his job is another matter!
And, as I speak to more & more people - nobody seems to speak highly of him, regard him with utter respect - ( unless their Labour Councillor) & even them the back benchers probably back stab him!
His slimey trails he leaves behind him make me think he's is sluggish in more ways than one!
Aye lovely terms there - NOT! ha ha! - not sure that anybodys s.exuality (if I'm aloud to say that without asterisks blocking part of the word!)is relevant these days!
What Purcell does or doesn't do in his job is another matter!
And, as I speak to more & more people - nobody seems to speak highly of him, regard him with utter respect - ( unless their Labour Councillor) & even them the back benchers probably back stab him!
His slimey trails he leaves behind him make me think he's is sluggish in more ways than one!
Posted by: absent_not_vacant, London on 6:54pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Well done Glasgow. It only took 40 years. It looks like ripping out the heart of the city all those years ago might pay off after all.
Or is it the surest sign yet that the age of the car is over? (only kidding about that bit).
Well done Glasgow. It only took 40 years. It looks like ripping out the heart of the city all those years ago might pay off after all.
Or is it the surest sign yet that the age of the car is over? (only kidding about that bit).
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 8:56pm Thu 14 Feb 08
Hallebloodyluiah is all I am going to say!!
Now I can get the steamers home quicker to cambuslang and instead of putting up with a 20 minute earbashing from 4 of them having to pay a taxi fare approx £4 each (Bus prices at 3am in the morning!!)....I can now only endure this for 10 minutes thanks to "The Link"
Hallebloodyluiah is all I am going to say!!
Now I can get the steamers home quicker to cambuslang and instead of putting up with a 20 minute earbashing from 4 of them having to pay a taxi fare approx £4 each (Bus prices at 3am in the morning!!)....I can now only endure this for 10 minutes thanks to "The Link"
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 11:17pm Thu 14 Feb 08
All involved. BRAVO!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:33am Fri 15 Feb 08
Yet more major roadworks and disruption - delays, hitches, problems, and tailbacks on it's surrounding motorways - Wonderful!
Can Glasgow ever have a period when it is NOT demolishing, re - building, digging up its roads or carrying out major works on its so called infrastructure - ha ha!
Yet more major roadworks and disruption - delays, hitches, problems, and tailbacks on it's surrounding motorways - Wonderful!
Can Glasgow ever have a period when it is NOT demolishing, re - building, digging up its roads or carrying out major works on its so called infrastructure - ha ha!
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 8:01am Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
Yet more major roadworks and disruption - delays, hitches, problems, and tailbacks on it's surrounding motorways - Wonderful!
Can Glasgow ever have a period when it is NOT demolishing, re - building, digging up its roads or carrying out major works on its so called infrastructure - ha ha!
[/quote] Ahhh, thats the price of progress PP ;)
People Power wrote:
Yet more major roadworks and disruption - delays, hitches, problems, and tailbacks on it's surrounding motorways - Wonderful!
Can Glasgow ever have a period when it is NOT demolishing, re - building, digging up its roads or carrying out major works on its so called infrastructure - ha ha!
Ahhh, thats the price of progress PP ;)
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 8:54am Fri 15 Feb 08
JayBrown - "£8 return from Helensburgh to Queen Street is preposterous and a lot cheaper to take the car even with petrol prices as high as they are."
That's about 45 miles at the TRUE running cost of a car (say 30p a mile), equals £13.50. Add in the cost of parking, the wasted time sitting in traffic, etc. and you still think it's "a lot cheaper"? Or are you basing your assessment on just the cost of fuel?
I'm glad the project is going ahead, but it always amazes me how, in their attempts to justify car use on cost grounds, people are willing to ignore the true costs in terms of wear & tear, depreciation, servicing and buying the car in the first place.
JayBrown - "£8 return from Helensburgh to Queen Street is preposterous and a lot cheaper to take the car even with petrol prices as high as they are."
That's about 45 miles at the TRUE running cost of a car (say 30p a mile), equals £13.50. Add in the cost of parking, the wasted time sitting in traffic, etc. and you still think it's "a lot cheaper"? Or are you basing your assessment on just the cost of fuel?
I'm glad the project is going ahead, but it always amazes me how, in their attempts to justify car use on cost grounds, people are willing to ignore the true costs in terms of wear & tear, depreciation, servicing and buying the car in the first place.
Posted by: JayBrown, Helensburgh on 10:43am Fri 15 Feb 08
Scott - There are many things i am basing my assessment on. I can never get a seat on the train so i am standing for 45 mins, which isn't exactly comfortable. The conductors are rude and if the conductor hasn't got to you before Queen Street, you get the grumpy lot next to the ticket barriers, yet another inconvience with a mile long queue. Then there is the 10 minute walk to my office! The trains are reguarly late and delayed. Parking isnt a problem as i get that as part of my job free, so no charge there. I would still say it is cheaper, even with the congestion. Oh yes and look what happened recently with the landslip at Dalreoch, caused chaos. I am guessing you don't have a car with your list of criticisms. I took the train several times last year and found that it was more expensive, crowded, uncomfortable and had appalling customer service. For me the car wins outright. Until we have a rail system similar to the Swiss i will be avaioding the trains whereever possible! Thank goodness this project is going ahead, i will be abel to get to work even quicker!!!
Scott - There are many things i am basing my assessment on. I can never get a seat on the train so i am standing for 45 mins, which isn't exactly comfortable. The conductors are rude and if the conductor hasn't got to you before Queen Street, you get the grumpy lot next to the ticket barriers, yet another inconvience with a mile long queue. Then there is the 10 minute walk to my office! The trains are reguarly late and delayed. Parking isnt a problem as i get that as part of my job free, so no charge there. I would still say it is cheaper, even with the congestion. Oh yes and look what happened recently with the landslip at Dalreoch, caused chaos. I am guessing you don't have a car with your list of criticisms. I took the train several times last year and found that it was more expensive, crowded, uncomfortable and had appalling customer service. For me the car wins outright. Until we have a rail system similar to the Swiss i will be avaioding the trains whereever possible! Thank goodness this project is going ahead, i will be abel to get to work even quicker!!!
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 1:38pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]JayBrown[/bold] wrote:
Scott - There are many things i am basing my assessment on. I can never get a seat on the train so i am standing for 45 mins, which isn't exactly comfortable. The conductors are rude and if the conductor hasn't got to you before Queen Street, you get the grumpy lot next to the ticket barriers, yet another inconvience with a mile long queue. Then there is the 10 minute walk to my office! The trains are reguarly late and delayed. Parking isnt a problem as i get that as part of my job free, so no charge there. I would still say it is cheaper, even with the congestion. Oh yes and look what happened recently with the landslip at Dalreoch, caused chaos. I am guessing you don't have a car with your list of criticisms. I took the train several times last year and found that it was more expensive, crowded, uncomfortable and had appalling customer service. For me the car wins outright. Until we have a rail system similar to the Swiss i will be avaioding the trains whereever possible! Thank goodness this project is going ahead, i will be abel to get to work even quicker!!! [/quote] JayBrown,
Don't make assumptions about something you know nothing about - I DO have a car, and I could also park free at work, but the fact is that it IS cheaper by train when you take into account all the costs involved, so I only use the car when I have to travel elsewhere. I also find a 10 minute walk doesn't kill me. The car is 30 minutes on a good day, 50 on a bad day, and sometimes 2 hours - the train is 30 minutes, consistently.
I find the trains are generally reliable, and I can at least catch up on some reading/watching, unlike when stuck in a traffic jam for hours - and the staff are generally only as rude as passengers are to them.
Maybe if you took the train more than "several times" in a year you would be in a better position to make an informed judgement, rather than sweeping generalisations like "never" getting a seat (it's quite easy if you time it right). You might also recognise the difference between "criticisms" and "facts".
A landslip is hardly justification for dismissing train travel out of hand - the same has happened on the roads before.
Interesting to see how much effect a motorway link in the east end of Glsgow helps your journey in from Helensburgh - the opposite direction.
JayBrown wrote:
Scott - There are many things i am basing my assessment on. I can never get a seat on the train so i am standing for 45 mins, which isn't exactly comfortable. The conductors are rude and if the conductor hasn't got to you before Queen Street, you get the grumpy lot next to the ticket barriers, yet another inconvience with a mile long queue. Then there is the 10 minute walk to my office! The trains are reguarly late and delayed. Parking isnt a problem as i get that as part of my job free, so no charge there. I would still say it is cheaper, even with the congestion. Oh yes and look what happened recently with the landslip at Dalreoch, caused chaos. I am guessing you don't have a car with your list of criticisms. I took the train several times last year and found that it was more expensive, crowded, uncomfortable and had appalling customer service. For me the car wins outright. Until we have a rail system similar to the Swiss i will be avaioding the trains whereever possible! Thank goodness this project is going ahead, i will be abel to get to work even quicker!!!
JayBrown,
Don't make assumptions about something you know nothing about - I DO have a car, and I could also park free at work, but the fact is that it IS cheaper by train when you take into account all the costs involved, so I only use the car when I have to travel elsewhere. I also find a 10 minute walk doesn't kill me. The car is 30 minutes on a good day, 50 on a bad day, and sometimes 2 hours - the train is 30 minutes, consistently.
I find the trains are generally reliable, and I can at least catch up on some reading/watching, unlike when stuck in a traffic jam for hours - and the staff are generally only as rude as passengers are to them.
Maybe if you took the train more than "several times" in a year you would be in a better position to make an informed judgement, rather than sweeping generalisations like "never" getting a seat (it's quite easy if you time it right). You might also recognise the difference between "criticisms" and "facts".
A landslip is hardly justification for dismissing train travel out of hand - the same has happened on the roads before.
Interesting to see how much effect a motorway link in the east end of Glsgow helps your journey in from Helensburgh - the opposite direction.
Posted by: JayBrown, Helensburgh on 3:28pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Scott - The M74 link will have a huge impact on my journey relieving the congestion on the kingston bridge, making the journey a lot quicker. I also have relatives in Easterhouse who i visit reguarly so i use the motorway beyond the City pretty often. Its maybe 30 minutes on the train from Airdire to Glasgow, but its certainly not that from Helensburgh. Also, i am never rude to the conductors on the train, they are the ones with the attitude, let me also point out that they never do anything about neds on the train smoking!!! A landslip is only one reason there are several, engineering work, stikes and the constant price hikes on tickets with no improvement in comfort. I have now stayed in Helensburgh and surrounding areas for over 15 years and never has there been a landslip on the road route i take to Glasgow! There is also the frequency if trains to take into consideration. There are only 2 trains an hour. I am a very organised person, never late but hate being restricted by only two trains an hour. By several i mean at least once a week and, coming from Airdire you would know how busy the trains are in Helensburgh!!! I leave early, get stuck in a jam for about 10 15 mins then get into the city. With the M74 completed there will be an even shorter delay. mmmmm what would you rather have, the comfort of your own car, climate control and music or a smelly, hot and cramped train , i wonder!!!
Scott - The M74 link will have a huge impact on my journey relieving the congestion on the kingston bridge, making the journey a lot quicker. I also have relatives in Easterhouse who i visit reguarly so i use the motorway beyond the City pretty often. Its maybe 30 minutes on the train from Airdire to Glasgow, but its certainly not that from Helensburgh. Also, i am never rude to the conductors on the train, they are the ones with the attitude, let me also point out that they never do anything about neds on the train smoking!!! A landslip is only one reason there are several, engineering work, stikes and the constant price hikes on tickets with no improvement in comfort. I have now stayed in Helensburgh and surrounding areas for over 15 years and never has there been a landslip on the road route i take to Glasgow! There is also the frequency if trains to take into consideration. There are only 2 trains an hour. I am a very organised person, never late but hate being restricted by only two trains an hour. By several i mean at least once a week and, coming from Airdire you would know how busy the trains are in Helensburgh!!! I leave early, get stuck in a jam for about 10 15 mins then get into the city. With the M74 completed there will be an even shorter delay. mmmmm what would you rather have, the comfort of your own car, climate control and music or a smelly, hot and cramped train , i wonder!!!
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 9:02pm Fri 15 Feb 08
At least it's nice to see you've stopped trying to justify your refusal to use public transport on the grounds of cost....
Funny how you complain about having to spend hour trapped on the Kingston Bridge and then try to sell it as the better option!! You'll note that I didn't say you were rude to staff, just that I have no reason to slag their attitude (would you fancy challenging a ned for smoking on their wages, when it's not their job?), and I don't understand how you can have as much of a problem getting a seat from Helenslummer when that's where the train starts - mind you, I suppose folk are keen to get out of it - best thing ever to come out of Helenslummer is the train to Airdire (as you call it).
As soon as you make your mind up whether the morning jam is "10 15 mins" or "hours" you might be able to make some consistent sense, but for now I'll enjoy the (seated) company of the non-smelly people on the train from Airdrie, get there consistently on time (3 or 4 days a week, not one), listen to music, read the paper, arrive relaxed and ready for a quick stroll into work, all the time saving money. You can continue to delude yourself that your choice to use your car is on cost grounds, bleating about rising train fares but ignoring soaring fuel prices.
Maybe you could move to somewhere with a better train service, or is public transport, in fact, beneath you?
At least it's nice to see you've stopped trying to justify your refusal to use public transport on the grounds of cost....
Funny how you complain about having to spend hour trapped on the Kingston Bridge and then try to sell it as the better option!! You'll note that I didn't say you were rude to staff, just that I have no reason to slag their attitude (would you fancy challenging a ned for smoking on their wages, when it's not their job?), and I don't understand how you can have as much of a problem getting a seat from Helenslummer when that's where the train starts - mind you, I suppose folk are keen to get out of it - best thing ever to come out of Helenslummer is the train to Airdire (as you call it).
As soon as you make your mind up whether the morning jam is "10 15 mins" or "hours" you might be able to make some consistent sense, but for now I'll enjoy the (seated) company of the non-smelly people on the train from Airdrie, get there consistently on time (3 or 4 days a week, not one), listen to music, read the paper, arrive relaxed and ready for a quick stroll into work, all the time saving money. You can continue to delude yourself that your choice to use your car is on cost grounds, bleating about rising train fares but ignoring soaring fuel prices.
Maybe you could move to somewhere with a better train service, or is public transport, in fact, beneath you?