Posted by: john1, Glasgow on 12:53pm Fri 15 Feb 08
There is already pressure on the park and ride facility during peak time as it is without reducing the nr of spaces available. It should have been a part of the development of the road to build new facilities somewhere else.
There is already pressure on the park and ride facility during peak time as it is without reducing the nr of spaces available. It should have been a part of the development of the road to build new facilities somewhere else.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 1:48pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]john1[/bold] wrote:
There is already pressure on the park and ride facility during peak time as it is without reducing the nr of spaces available. It should have been a part of the development of the road to build new facilities somewhere else.[/quote] errr john1 there are plenty car parking places 400 yards along the road at the sheilds road underground.......
john1 wrote:
There is already pressure on the park and ride facility during peak time as it is without reducing the nr of spaces available. It should have been a part of the development of the road to build new facilities somewhere else.
errr john1 there are plenty car parking places 400 yards along the road at the sheilds road underground.......
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 1:48pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Ah joined up thinking at its best!
Ah joined up thinking at its best!
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 1:56pm Fri 15 Feb 08
This is a non-story.
West street subway, and its doomed carpark, are under 5 minutes walk from Shields Road subway and its brand new, multi-story car-park.
They feature on the same stretch of road for Christsake!
No issue here.
This is a non-story.
West street subway, and its doomed carpark, are under 5 minutes walk from Shields Road subway and its brand new, multi-story car-park.
They feature on the same stretch of road for Christsake!
No issue here.
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 2:02pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
This is a non-story.
West street subway, and its doomed carpark, are under 5 minutes walk from Shields Road subway and its brand new, multi-story car-park.
They feature on the same stretch of road for Christsake!
No issue here.
[/quote] WELL SAID GAW!!
GAW wrote:
This is a non-story.
West street subway, and its doomed carpark, are under 5 minutes walk from Shields Road subway and its brand new, multi-story car-park.
They feature on the same stretch of road for Christsake!
No issue here.
WELL SAID GAW!!
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 2:04pm Fri 15 Feb 08
LOL if you want...I will sit outside the west st car park in my taxi and run them the 1000 yards to shields road...I could do with the business LOL
LOL if you want...I will sit outside the west st car park in my taxi and run them the 1000 yards to shields road...I could do with the business LOL
Posted by: iscozzese, Glasgow on 2:04pm Fri 15 Feb 08
The completion of the M74 was long due. All the people that wasted time and caused the delay should sit and queue on the M8 on a daily basis and suffer the fumes from the tousands of vehicle that travel every day. Few miserable parking spaces lost am sure is not a national crises. Walk few minutes to Shields Road and you will find a nice modern carpark.
The completion of the M74 was long due. All the people that wasted time and caused the delay should sit and queue on the M8 on a daily basis and suffer the fumes from the tousands of vehicle that travel every day. Few miserable parking spaces lost am sure is not a national crises. Walk few minutes to Shields Road and you will find a nice modern carpark.
Posted by: Gazza, Glasgow on 2:21pm Fri 15 Feb 08
The SPT on the ball as usual ... whatever next, a subway that runs on Sunday evenings?? :-)
The SPT on the ball as usual ... whatever next, a subway that runs on Sunday evenings?? :-)
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:27pm Fri 15 Feb 08
So much for "Park & Ride" - a tokenistic idea at best - at worst a complete waste of public money for a non - starter - due to such stubborn, set in their ways car drivers.
This M74 link may be needed to ease congestion on the M8 - but - ultimately the numbers of cars on the roads must be cut - and building more motorways is not the long term solution.
Ultimately this Motorway building comes down to the way in which the amount of cars on the road has increased to such an extent that the size of our motorways, and their number of lanes is insufficient to meet the needs of drivers.
The only long term and environmental solutuon is therefor to upgrade Public transport.
Our govenrment and G.C.C. must start putting more bus lanes in place ; and enforce them.
Provide serious Park & Ride incentives, and the same kind of "Oyster card" that London has......
The example of Partick Interchange demonstrates how pathetic and behind the times SPT and Scotrail are due to their lack of interchangeable tickets - separate bus, train & subway tickets at (i.e.) - Partick are just plain stupidity and a total waste of money.
Like the M74's projected costs - which will innevitably spiral.
So much for "Park & Ride" - a tokenistic idea at best - at worst a complete waste of public money for a non - starter - due to such stubborn, set in their ways car drivers.
This M74 link may be needed to ease congestion on the M8 - but - ultimately the numbers of cars on the roads must be cut - and building more motorways is not the long term solution.
Ultimately this Motorway building comes down to the way in which the amount of cars on the road has increased to such an extent that the size of our motorways, and their number of lanes is insufficient to meet the needs of drivers.
The only long term and environmental solutuon is therefor to upgrade Public transport.
Our govenrment and G.C.C. must start putting more bus lanes in place ; and enforce them.
Provide serious Park & Ride incentives, and the same kind of "Oyster card" that London has......
The example of Partick Interchange demonstrates how pathetic and behind the times SPT and Scotrail are due to their lack of interchangeable tickets - separate bus, train & subway tickets at (i.e.) - Partick are just plain stupidity and a total waste of money.
Like the M74's projected costs - which will innevitably spiral.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:32pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Like some of our freight companies, which are already making the switch - another solution is to stop clogging up our motorways with HGV's - and transfer their deliverys to rail.
Another reason why the "Glasgow Airport Crossrail Project" is even more crucial.
Like some of our freight companies, which are already making the switch - another solution is to stop clogging up our motorways with HGV's - and transfer their deliverys to rail.
Another reason why the "Glasgow Airport Crossrail Project" is even more crucial.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 3:22pm Fri 15 Feb 08
I agree Crossrail is even more crucial now.
I agree Crossrail is even more crucial now.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 3:50pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
This is a non-story.
West street subway, and its doomed carpark, are under 5 minutes walk from Shields Road subway and its brand new, multi-story car-park.
They feature on the same stretch of road for Christsake!
No issue here.
[/quote] I can only presume that you don't use Shields Road as it is regularly full to capacity or with just a few spaces available. similarly. for the SPT spokesperson to re-direct users of |West Street to Kelvinbridge is a joke - apart from being on the other side of the city it also has very few empty spaces at busy times.
As Emma says, that's joined-up thinking at its best. And so much for trying to encourage drivers to get out of their cars - close down a park'n'ride facility to build a motorway extension. Aye right - bunch of hypocrites.
GAW wrote:
This is a non-story.
West street subway, and its doomed carpark, are under 5 minutes walk from Shields Road subway and its brand new, multi-story car-park.
They feature on the same stretch of road for Christsake!
No issue here.
I can only presume that you don't use Shields Road as it is regularly full to capacity or with just a few spaces available. similarly. for the SPT spokesperson to re-direct users of |West Street to Kelvinbridge is a joke - apart from being on the other side of the city it also has very few empty spaces at busy times.
As Emma says, that's joined-up thinking at its best. And so much for trying to encourage drivers to get out of their cars - close down a park'n'ride facility to build a motorway extension. Aye right - bunch of hypocrites.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 4:07pm Fri 15 Feb 08
I assume this new/old development is only now being implemented because of the 2014 olympics ...
I fear there will be much more upheaval for the people of Glasgow and that this is only the tip of the iceberg ...
Watch this space ...
I assume this new/old development is only now being implemented because of the 2014 olympics ...
I fear there will be much more upheaval for the people of Glasgow and that this is only the tip of the iceberg ...
Watch this space ...
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:15pm Fri 15 Feb 08
SPT will have been paid handsomely for the site they can build another.
And Crossrail isn't really the answer for anything other than "How can we take lots of people to somewhere other that where they want to go (quickly, directly and without changing)?".
SPT will have been paid handsomely for the site they can build another.
And Crossrail isn't really the answer for anything other than "How can we take lots of people to somewhere other that where they want to go (quickly, directly and without changing)?".
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:17pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]roor06[/bold] wrote:
I assume this new/old development is only now being implemented because of the 2014 olympics ... I fear there will be much more upheaval for the people of Glasgow and that this is only the tip of the iceberg ... Watch this space ...[/quote]
The upheaval and disruption fo all parts of the city being re-generated, demolished, bulldozed, re - built and so on has been ongoing - some areas worse than others.
The classic example is the idiocy of our utility companies who dig up roads!
No sooner have the gasboards dug up full stretches of roads to put in new mains, than a month or couple of months later - the waterboard dig up the very same stretch to do it all again!
Where the he** is the communication between these absolute numptys: And why aren't they being fined for not working more closely in partnership when digging up the roads.
When has any building project in Glasgow ever met its deadline - or finished on time, and on budget ? And where is the extra money going to come from when the M74 runs over budget ?
Lets start utilising and upgrading our railways. And stop this decimation of our green and brown spaces for yet more cars to plough through cities outskirts.
roor06 wrote:
I assume this new/old development is only now being implemented because of the 2014 olympics ... I fear there will be much more upheaval for the people of Glasgow and that this is only the tip of the iceberg ... Watch this space ...
The upheaval and disruption fo all parts of the city being re-generated, demolished, bulldozed, re - built and so on has been ongoing - some areas worse than others.
The classic example is the idiocy of our utility companies who dig up roads!
No sooner have the gasboards dug up full stretches of roads to put in new mains, than a month or couple of months later - the waterboard dig up the very same stretch to do it all again!
Where the he** is the communication between these absolute numptys: And why aren't they being fined for not working more closely in partnership when digging up the roads.
When has any building project in Glasgow ever met its deadline - or finished on time, and on budget ? And where is the extra money going to come from when the M74 runs over budget ?
Lets start utilising and upgrading our railways. And stop this decimation of our green and brown spaces for yet more cars to plough through cities outskirts.
Posted by: whataboutme, glasgow on 4:19pm Fri 15 Feb 08
forgive me if i am wrong but isnt the reason for public transport to get people out of cars , or sorry let me rephrase that for the person talking about the subway opening on a sunday evening why dont you just drive where you want to go as the streets arent as busy and the subways are being maintained or are you like the rest of the people who talk a lot but dont listen to what you are being told
forgive me if i am wrong but isnt the reason for public transport to get people out of cars , or sorry let me rephrase that for the person talking about the subway opening on a sunday evening why dont you just drive where you want to go as the streets arent as busy and the subways are being maintained or are you like the rest of the people who talk a lot but dont listen to what you are being told
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:21pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
SPT will have been paid handsomely for the site they can build another. And Crossrail isn't really the answer for anything other than "How can we take lots of people to somewhere other that where they want to go (quickly, directly and without changing)?".[/quote]
Brad,
Crossrail, and the Glasgow airport raillink is essential. As tranferring via Paisley Gilmour Street is a total farce, and laughable to all other cities in Europe!
Glasgow seriously needs to get its act together and pull its socks up if it want to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games.
And without a proper raillink to its airport we are seriously lagging behind in terms of having a full and comprehensive infrastructure to meet the needs of holiday makers, regular business air travellers as well as road users.
Brad wrote:
SPT will have been paid handsomely for the site they can build another. And Crossrail isn't really the answer for anything other than "How can we take lots of people to somewhere other that where they want to go (quickly, directly and without changing)?".
Brad,
Crossrail, and the Glasgow airport raillink is essential. As tranferring via Paisley Gilmour Street is a total farce, and laughable to all other cities in Europe!
Glasgow seriously needs to get its act together and pull its socks up if it want to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games.
And without a proper raillink to its airport we are seriously lagging behind in terms of having a full and comprehensive infrastructure to meet the needs of holiday makers, regular business air travellers as well as road users.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:26pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote]forgive me if i am wrong but isnt the reason for public transport to get people out of cars , or sorry let me rephrase that for the person talking about the subway opening on a sunday evening why dont you just drive where you want to go as the streets arent as busy and the subways are being maintained or are you like the rest of the people who talk a lot but dont listen to what you are being told[/quote]
This old excuse of the subways being maintained on Sundays - evenings is something which will need to be seriously looked at to meet the needs of the public and not the backwards SPT staff.
SPT and Glasgows 111 year olf toytown train system is way behind the times - everybody knows that - but, so are many car drivers who wont walk the length of themselves.
So to all lazy car drivers, these things with lots of windows, ads on their sids and passengers are called buses!
Maybe you shoud try leaving your cars at home and actually board a bus before you slate and slag them off.
forgive me if i am wrong but isnt the reason for public transport to get people out of cars , or sorry let me rephrase that for the person talking about the subway opening on a sunday evening why dont you just drive where you want to go as the streets arent as busy and the subways are being maintained or are you like the rest of the people who talk a lot but dont listen to what you are being told
This old excuse of the subways being maintained on Sundays - evenings is something which will need to be seriously looked at to meet the needs of the public and not the backwards SPT staff.
SPT and Glasgows 111 year olf toytown train system is way behind the times - everybody knows that - but, so are many car drivers who wont walk the length of themselves.
So to all lazy car drivers, these things with lots of windows, ads on their sids and passengers are called buses!
Maybe you shoud try leaving your cars at home and actually board a bus before you slate and slag them off.
Posted by: Murraymint, Kilbarchan on 5:16pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Well People Power, you and I often have disagreements, but I must say your comments today have been first-class!
Well People Power, you and I often have disagreements, but I must say your comments today have been first-class!
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 6:05pm Fri 15 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Murraymint[/bold] wrote:
Well People Power, you and I often have disagreements, but I must say your comments today have been first-class!
[/quote] I also agree with People Power on this one.
Unfortunately, folk in this city are so lazy they will take a taxi 1 (ONE) block because they have "sore feet"!!! Not that Im complaining LOL
So what chance do we have.
Murraymint wrote:
Well People Power, you and I often have disagreements, but I must say your comments today have been first-class!
I also agree with People Power on this one.
Unfortunately, folk in this city are so lazy they will take a taxi 1 (ONE) block because they have "sore feet"!!! Not that Im complaining LOL
So what chance do we have.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:20pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Cheers Murraymint - Just get a bee in my bonnet about this idiotic Council and then theres no stopping me!
Theres hundreds of ideas folk have which make perfect sense - yet the Council always opt for the most backwards and idiotic ideas.
Going back to the Subway - take the example of Discovery Tickets: ( one days unlimited travel) on the Subway.
Yet, how many people actually recycle their tickets, and pass them on to the first person they see who is going to be using the Subway next ?
[bold]Never bin a "Discovery Ticket" - just as with drivers who pass on parking tickets with time left on them - the same applies here.
Its a case of sticking two fingers up to SPT![/bold]
As for Park & Ride - of course forcing people onto the buses would be a he** of alot easier if First re - invested its profits into its bus services, and expanded the times they operated.
As well as the ridiculous one way streets in Glasgow City Centre - if the bus lanes in them are ever to work, and buses are to run on time - G.C.C. can't have it both ways.
Either have a restriction on the number of cars allowed into the city centre at any time, or a ( and I hate to say it)a congestion charge for entering the city centre.
Ken Livingstone was almost spot on when he introduced it - the only flaw was it was at a flat rate for all drivers - instead of making it cheaper for the most environmentally friendly cars - and dearer for the "gas guzzlers" or "people carriers!"
The opportunities for Glasgow City Council are like a carrot dangling in front of Councillors noses - they are just big "scaredy cats" when it comes to being revolutionary, outlandish, contravertial.
Cheers Murraymint - Just get a bee in my bonnet about this idiotic Council and then theres no stopping me!
Theres hundreds of ideas folk have which make perfect sense - yet the Council always opt for the most backwards and idiotic ideas.
Going back to the Subway - take the example of Discovery Tickets: ( one days unlimited travel) on the Subway.
Yet, how many people actually recycle their tickets, and pass them on to the first person they see who is going to be using the Subway next ?
Never bin a "Discovery Ticket" - just as with drivers who pass on parking tickets with time left on them - the same applies here.
Its a case of sticking two fingers up to SPT!
As for Park & Ride - of course forcing people onto the buses would be a he** of alot easier if First re - invested its profits into its bus services, and expanded the times they operated.
As well as the ridiculous one way streets in Glasgow City Centre - if the bus lanes in them are ever to work, and buses are to run on time - G.C.C. can't have it both ways.
Either have a restriction on the number of cars allowed into the city centre at any time, or a ( and I hate to say it)a congestion charge for entering the city centre.
Ken Livingstone was almost spot on when he introduced it - the only flaw was it was at a flat rate for all drivers - instead of making it cheaper for the most environmentally friendly cars - and dearer for the "gas guzzlers" or "people carriers!"
The opportunities for Glasgow City Council are like a carrot dangling in front of Councillors noses - they are just big "scaredy cats" when it comes to being revolutionary, outlandish, contravertial.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 7:20pm Sat 16 Feb 08
I made no comment about the airport rail link, PP. I am in support of it - and there's not much point arguing over it anyway, it's happening. Crossrail isn't.
I made no comment about the airport rail link, PP. I am in support of it - and there's not much point arguing over it anyway, it's happening. Crossrail isn't.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:53pm Sat 16 Feb 08
Aye okay - keep your toupee on - With this kind of thing there are always shades of grey - maybe not in the blind Councillors eyes - but if the electorate don't get what they want - the Councillors who don't deliver will be squeezed out. (And I look forwards to that day!)
As for "Crossrail" I wouldn't rule it out quite yet - The Glasgow airport raillink is maybe a bit of a red-herring or farce as far as serious discussions from Politicians or Councillors - they just need to engage their brains instead of their mouths!
Spouting mince is easy when your a Councillor.
Deciphering what kind of mince it is, or making sense of what each other is saying is another story!
Just a pity so many of the electorate and Councillors are all on separate wavelengths.
But - the time for what people want - and "People Power" has never been more relevant.
Bendy Wendy has almost had her day, her credability is wavering, and the chances to push her off that parapit are here.
Time for action - time for us to speak up, demand what we rightfully deserve - and change our ridiculous institutional, and old voting habits. Cheer up Brad! ;-)
Aye okay - keep your toupee on - With this kind of thing there are always shades of grey - maybe not in the blind Councillors eyes - but if the electorate don't get what they want - the Councillors who don't deliver will be squeezed out. (And I look forwards to that day!)
As for "Crossrail" I wouldn't rule it out quite yet - The Glasgow airport raillink is maybe a bit of a red-herring or farce as far as serious discussions from Politicians or Councillors - they just need to engage their brains instead of their mouths!
Spouting mince is easy when your a Councillor.
Deciphering what kind of mince it is, or making sense of what each other is saying is another story!
Just a pity so many of the electorate and Councillors are all on separate wavelengths.
But - the time for what people want - and "People Power" has never been more relevant.
Bendy Wendy has almost had her day, her credability is wavering, and the chances to push her off that parapit are here.
Time for action - time for us to speak up, demand what we rightfully deserve - and change our ridiculous institutional, and old voting habits. Cheer up Brad! ;-)
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