Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:12am Tue 19 Feb 08
Time to open up old lines ,Crossrail etc Get finger out.
Time to open up old lines ,Crossrail etc Get finger out.
Posted by: martin, Glasgow on 11:47am Tue 19 Feb 08
If scotrail are claiming only 94% full then they obviously count standing room as part of the capacity. I cannot understand why they only have two carriages on the 0817 from East Kilbride when there is a need for at least four almost every day on this particular train.
If scotrail are claiming only 94% full then they obviously count standing room as part of the capacity. I cannot understand why they only have two carriages on the 0817 from East Kilbride when there is a need for at least four almost every day on this particular train.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:17pm Tue 19 Feb 08
What about the tram/train?
What about the tram/train?
Posted by: john1, Glasgow on 12:44pm Tue 19 Feb 08
eh it's not so much the overcrowding, more the cost. A return from EK is about £4.60. Drive to Rutherglen where the overcrowding is much worse and it's £2.40. Train travel is too expensive. If it was cheaper, more people would use it.
eh it's not so much the overcrowding, more the cost. A return from EK is about £4.60. Drive to Rutherglen where the overcrowding is much worse and it's £2.40. Train travel is too expensive. If it was cheaper, more people would use it.
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 1:01pm Tue 19 Feb 08
East Kilbride alone has a population of around 80,000. Many people commute to Glasgow on a daily basis. It's about time they update the line to include the Town Centre and also put more trains on. Train travel is indeed costly.
East Kilbride alone has a population of around 80,000. Many people commute to Glasgow on a daily basis. It's about time they update the line to include the Town Centre and also put more trains on. Train travel is indeed costly.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 1:19pm Tue 19 Feb 08
Looks like the ET used a picture of a bus!
Looks like the ET used a picture of a bus!
Posted by: martin, Glasgow on 1:41pm Tue 19 Feb 08
HAving though more about this, using the single line as an excuse is just that. There are trains which turn round at Busby and run from there back into Glasgow. Scotrail could do this more often and easy the overcrowding in East Renfrewshire.
As for BhoyWunda's suggestion of running trains in to EK town centre can I point out that the station is only five minutes walk from the bus station/town centre. Where exactly would he have the train lines run and who would foot the bill for any expansion of the service in East Kilbride .. yes that's correct those passengers who pay their fares.
HAving though more about this, using the single line as an excuse is just that. There are trains which turn round at Busby and run from there back into Glasgow. Scotrail could do this more often and easy the overcrowding in East Renfrewshire.
As for BhoyWunda's suggestion of running trains in to EK town centre can I point out that the station is only five minutes walk from the bus station/town centre. Where exactly would he have the train lines run and who would foot the bill for any expansion of the service in East Kilbride .. yes that's correct those passengers who pay their fares.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 1:56pm Tue 19 Feb 08
So, why are developers allowed to continue building houses in Busby, EK, Newton Mearns, etc if the existing infrastructures can't cope? Why don't the councils ask for funding packages to improve local transport services, etc before granting planning permission.
So, why are developers allowed to continue building houses in Busby, EK, Newton Mearns, etc if the existing infrastructures can't cope? Why don't the councils ask for funding packages to improve local transport services, etc before granting planning permission.
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 2:29pm Tue 19 Feb 08
Pete, that's not a bad idea at all. There are loads of new housing developments going up all over East Kilbride.
Most of the buses are just about full up as they make their way through Cathkin and Rutherglen or Clarkston and Battlefield into the City in the mornings. And we have seen in this story that the trains are struggling to cope.
That would surely be a possibility if any new developer wants to build more houses, that they foot some of the bill for extra transport links. But then who really ends up footing the bill? - the person who actually buys the house, with the added price the developer has put onto it.
By the way brad, that is a train in the picture. FirstGroup also operate trains in Strathclyde, not just buses.
Pete, that's not a bad idea at all. There are loads of new housing developments going up all over East Kilbride.
Most of the buses are just about full up as they make their way through Cathkin and Rutherglen or Clarkston and Battlefield into the City in the mornings. And we have seen in this story that the trains are struggling to cope.
That would surely be a possibility if any new developer wants to build more houses, that they foot some of the bill for extra transport links. But then who really ends up footing the bill? - the person who actually buys the house, with the added price the developer has put onto it.
By the way brad, that is a train in the picture. FirstGroup also operate trains in Strathclyde, not just buses.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:45pm Tue 19 Feb 08
I'd really meant taking it out of develelopers profits. Not in a class warrior way, but it does make sense for developers looking to the longer term: their future customers won't want to move to where the services are failing.
Not just EK - all across S/N Lanarkshire. I get the train from Rutherglen in the morning and it is always over-full by the time it gets into Camuslang/Rutherglen
.
I'd really meant taking it out of develelopers profits. Not in a class warrior way, but it does make sense for developers looking to the longer term: their future customers won't want to move to where the services are failing.
Not just EK - all across S/N Lanarkshire. I get the train from Rutherglen in the morning and it is always over-full by the time it gets into Camuslang/Rutherglen
.
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 6:35pm Tue 19 Feb 08
The entire Cathcart Circle/Newton/Neilst
on/
East Kilbride lines with possible extensions to EK Town Centre, High Blantyre-Hamilton and to Newton Mearns etc., are ripe for conversion to a much more frequent "South Side Metro"
tram/light rapid transit system (with on-street running where approp') as long as the main Barrhead/Kilmarnock/
Carlisle lines remain for (future electrified?)'heavy rail' & also as a strategic diversionary route for the West Coast Main Line!
The entire Cathcart Circle/Newton/Neilst
on/
East Kilbride lines with possible extensions to EK Town Centre, High Blantyre-Hamilton and to Newton Mearns etc., are ripe for conversion to a much more frequent "South Side Metro"
tram/light rapid transit system (with on-street running where approp') as long as the main Barrhead/Kilmarnock/
Carlisle lines remain for (future electrified?)'heavy rail' & also as a strategic diversionary route for the West Coast Main Line!
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 9:30pm Tue 19 Feb 08
On closer squiting, DMac, I think you're right. My mis-steak...
On closer squiting, DMac, I think you're right. My mis-steak...
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:42pm Tue 19 Feb 08
Oh dear, I mean "squinting". Bedtime for me...
Oh dear, I mean "squinting". Bedtime for me...
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 1:15am Wed 20 Feb 08
Taxi for Brad ...
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 11:55am Wed 20 Feb 08
The present day success and popularity of the East Kilbride line is a standing memorial to the sterling work of Jack & Helen Broadbent and all the members of the Glasgow East Kilbride Railway Development Assoc' in the 1970s when most non-electified rail routes around Glasgow were under threat!
The present day success and popularity of the East Kilbride line is a standing memorial to the sterling work of Jack & Helen Broadbent and all the members of the Glasgow East Kilbride Railway Development Assoc' in the 1970s when most non-electified rail routes around Glasgow were under threat!
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 12:14pm Wed 20 Feb 08
The main issue is lack of capacity on the trains themselves. 4 or 6 carriage trains on practically all the routes into Central Station are a rarity when, at least at peak times, they are essential. An overcrowded, unreliable service running on inadequate infrastructure is not a 'victim of its own success', it is a victim of inept planning and management and the implication that the current mess is an achievement or something to be proud of is nonsense. SPT and their paymasters should regard success as running a reliable service that doesn't herd people into cattle trucks!
The main issue is lack of capacity on the trains themselves. 4 or 6 carriage trains on practically all the routes into Central Station are a rarity when, at least at peak times, they are essential. An overcrowded, unreliable service running on inadequate infrastructure is not a 'victim of its own success', it is a victim of inept planning and management and the implication that the current mess is an achievement or something to be proud of is nonsense. SPT and their paymasters should regard success as running a reliable service that doesn't herd people into cattle trucks!
Posted by: bigcrispyhied, glasgow on 3:22pm Wed 20 Feb 08
the line needs double tracked from busby then surely you could get at least three trains an hour and make them all four cars,i'll hate to see it when the ticket barriers go in at glasgow central and a sea of passengers get of the train without tickets because the conductor could not get to them because of over crowding.
the line needs double tracked from busby then surely you could get at least three trains an hour and make them all four cars,i'll hate to see it when the ticket barriers go in at glasgow central and a sea of passengers get of the train without tickets because the conductor could not get to them because of over crowding.
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