Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:35pm Wed 27 Feb 08
The problem is the way our legislation & laws work - without stricter enforcement.
We don't have enough officers to enforce all the laws and ensure crimes of this sort aren't being committed.
Its getting so easy for youngsters to get hold of alcohol, just get their older pals, or brothers / sisters to buy it for them.
The same applies for cigarettes!
Only when trading standers officers send out more under age kids to test out shop keepers willingness to sell to underage kids can we start to crack down on this problem.
Parents must take more responsibility for their kids actions, and set stricter ground rules, and tougher sanctions. as kids get what they want when they want it these days.
Confiscate their mobile phone, MP3 players, laptops, i - pod or Nintendo Wii's.
If they don't see any consequences for their actions, and are allowed to roam the streets at all times of night - is it any wonder so many kids go off the rails.
Maybe the parents are alcoholics themselves, or are far too engrossed in their work to give their kids the time they need to hear how their day was & their news.
Education in schools should also be made a far bigger issue.
And maybe the model we set kids of adults drinking to get "out of their faces" ; "Plastered!" ; "Paralytic" ; and "comatosed" is hilarious, smart and cool for so many that we'll never change!
If drinking was viewed as a more relaxed, sociable, and civil passtime like in some European countries where children are given wine with adults, and grow to respect it, maybe we'd view it differently.
Also - the wide availability of it in supermarkets and special offers given is it any wonder folk drink far more of the recommended units per week for males/ females.
Ban all advertising of alcohol in places children are likely to see them - Glasgow Underground advertises drink promotions to students all the time.
Like the ban on soft drink vending machines in schools - a similar line needs to be taken to stop kids seeing any more ad's or promotions of alcohol than they do already.
Schools must show films with far more graphic footage of the dangers of injuries, choking on your own vomit, being hit by a car whilst drunk, or sexually assaulted - all risks associated with irresponsible drinking.
As clearly - kids who are used to P.C. games where they are killing other people, and drinking illegally, think A.S.B.O's are badges
of honour (etc) need a harder lined approach!
The problem is the way our legislation & laws work - without stricter enforcement.
We don't have enough officers to enforce all the laws and ensure crimes of this sort aren't being committed.
Its getting so easy for youngsters to get hold of alcohol, just get their older pals, or brothers / sisters to buy it for them.
The same applies for cigarettes!
Only when trading standers officers send out more under age kids to test out shop keepers willingness to sell to underage kids can we start to crack down on this problem.
Parents must take more responsibility for their kids actions, and set stricter ground rules, and tougher sanctions. as kids get what they want when they want it these days.
Confiscate their mobile phone, MP3 players, laptops, i - pod or Nintendo Wii's.
If they don't see any consequences for their actions, and are allowed to roam the streets at all times of night - is it any wonder so many kids go off the rails.
Maybe the parents are alcoholics themselves, or are far too engrossed in their work to give their kids the time they need to hear how their day was & their news.
Education in schools should also be made a far bigger issue.
And maybe the model we set kids of adults drinking to get "out of their faces" ; "Plastered!" ; "Paralytic" ; and "comatosed" is hilarious, smart and cool for so many that we'll never change!
If drinking was viewed as a more relaxed, sociable, and civil passtime like in some European countries where children are given wine with adults, and grow to respect it, maybe we'd view it differently.
Also - the wide availability of it in supermarkets and special offers given is it any wonder folk drink far more of the recommended units per week for males/ females.
Ban all advertising of alcohol in places children are likely to see them - Glasgow Underground advertises drink promotions to students all the time.
Like the ban on soft drink vending machines in schools - a similar line needs to be taken to stop kids seeing any more ad's or promotions of alcohol than they do already.
Schools must show films with far more graphic footage of the dangers of injuries, choking on your own vomit, being hit by a car whilst drunk, or sexually assaulted - all risks associated with irresponsible drinking.
As clearly - kids who are used to P.C. games where they are killing other people, and drinking illegally, think A.S.B.O's are badges
of honour (etc) need a harder lined approach!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:45pm Wed 27 Feb 08
people power, you are spot on ,but you and i know the response you get from the parents is "no ma weans, its these other wans",i am fed up hearing the excuses for these moronic individuals,...paren
ts...if you cant keep control of your family then when they end up in the nick being raped and battered by other inmates dont cry in your drinks when they end up with a dose of the claps or worse
people power, you are spot on ,but you and i know the response you get from the parents is "no ma weans, its these other wans",i am fed up hearing the excuses for these moronic individuals,...paren
ts...if you cant keep control of your family then when they end up in the nick being raped and battered by other inmates dont cry in your drinks when they end up with a dose of the claps or worse
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:00pm Wed 27 Feb 08
The parents need to be forced to go to parenting classes, or sterilised as a last resort!
What right have grown adults got to bring a child into the world, ( FOR LIFE!) only to decide years later, it's too hard work, their too stressful, they cannot be bothered with the hassle (etc)........
So the solution, Let the kids run riot on the streets, smash car windows, drink in public, graffiti buildings etc, and verbally abuse - intimidate innocent passers by..... with the polis nowhere to be found when their needed!
Kids need to be taught a lesson - but if the parents aren't any more mature or responsible to bring them up - the kids cannot be blamed.
Only if the kids have responsible adults / parents and families can they be expected to respect the punishment their given.
If they come from a scummy area, drugs ridden, filthy, run down, with alcoholic or drug taking parents - what hope do they have!
Maybe its the parents we need to be educating for the future - i.e kids now - teaching them that parenting is for life, and the expense, time, stress and worry it causes is not to be taken for granted.
After all how many kids are unwanted, born out of wedlock, born as a result of a drunken one night stand, and only conceived because parents feel too guilty to have an abortion.
Kids drinking is a big problem, but if we the adults are so disrespectful to alcohol who can blame the kids for copying our exact same habits!
The parents need to be forced to go to parenting classes, or sterilised as a last resort!
What right have grown adults got to bring a child into the world, ( FOR LIFE!) only to decide years later, it's too hard work, their too stressful, they cannot be bothered with the hassle (etc)........
So the solution, Let the kids run riot on the streets, smash car windows, drink in public, graffiti buildings etc, and verbally abuse - intimidate innocent passers by..... with the polis nowhere to be found when their needed!
Kids need to be taught a lesson - but if the parents aren't any more mature or responsible to bring them up - the kids cannot be blamed.
Only if the kids have responsible adults / parents and families can they be expected to respect the punishment their given.
If they come from a scummy area, drugs ridden, filthy, run down, with alcoholic or drug taking parents - what hope do they have!
Maybe its the parents we need to be educating for the future - i.e kids now - teaching them that parenting is for life, and the expense, time, stress and worry it causes is not to be taken for granted.
After all how many kids are unwanted, born out of wedlock, born as a result of a drunken one night stand, and only conceived because parents feel too guilty to have an abortion.
Kids drinking is a big problem, but if we the adults are so disrespectful to alcohol who can blame the kids for copying our exact same habits!
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 9:58pm Wed 27 Feb 08
People Power: [quote]The parents need to be forced to go to parenting classes, or sterilised as a last resort![/quote]
Perhaps temproary sterilisation for everyone may be a good idea - until they can prove that they are responsible enough to bring up kids to being fit, healthy, disciplined, responsible citizens, then the sterilisation could be reversed. The human rights brigade would never allow it though.
People Power:
The parents need to be forced to go to parenting classes, or sterilised as a last resort!
Perhaps temproary sterilisation for everyone may be a good idea - until they can prove that they are responsible enough to bring up kids to being fit, healthy, disciplined, responsible citizens, then the sterilisation could be reversed. The human rights brigade would never allow it though.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:43pm Wed 27 Feb 08
Based on some of your previous postings: (see the quotes below) I don't buy your flippant reponses on the [bold]"Antidepressant Drugs Don't Work!"[/bold] thread.
I take everything you say with a pinch of salt, as you just seem to be coming out with these deliberate comments to wind me up - Well I'm getting bored of them!
[italic]People Power:[/italic]
Bottling Up your feelings ( By not confronting them it makes you tense & anxious)
[italic]I keep personal things to myself and its never done me any harm. Perhaps we need some more of the stiff upper lip like we had in the old days. We wouldn't have so much PC nonsense like we have now.[/italic]
Those who feel desperate enough that they consider suicide naturally are in need of more human contact - and psychiatric intervention.
[italic]Or better still, a lethal dosage.[/italic]
[italic]"understand that some people are weak and cannot handle the stresses of life, and a lethal injection is a rational means of expelling from the kitchen, those who can't stand the heat and most probably want to die. Problem solved. :-)"[/italic]
So a lethal dosage is alright - but sterilisation isn't - make up your mind!
Based on some of your previous postings: (see the quotes below) I don't buy your flippant reponses on the
"Antidepressant Drugs Don't Work!" thread.
I take everything you say with a pinch of salt, as you just seem to be coming out with these deliberate comments to wind me up - Well I'm getting bored of them!
People Power:
Bottling Up your feelings ( By not confronting them it makes you tense & anxious)
I keep personal things to myself and its never done me any harm. Perhaps we need some more of the stiff upper lip like we had in the old days. We wouldn't have so much PC nonsense like we have now.
Those who feel desperate enough that they consider suicide naturally are in need of more human contact - and psychiatric intervention.
Or better still, a lethal dosage.
"understand that some people are weak and cannot handle the stresses of life, and a lethal injection is a rational means of expelling from the kitchen, those who can't stand the heat and most probably want to die. Problem solved. :-)"
So a lethal dosage is alright - but sterilisation isn't - make up your mind!
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 3:17am Thu 28 Feb 08
People Power: [quote]So a lethal dosage is alright - but sterilisation isn't - make up your mind![/quote]
Eh? Take a look at my last comment further up this thread whereby I said:
[quote]Perhaps temproary sterilisation for everyone may be a good idea[/quote]
So we agree about sterilisation - in fact, for some of the lowlife on the streets, I'm [i]all for[/i] sterilisation.
Whatever was said in the other thread, I shall post it over there. What is it that I've said, that you take exception to on [b][i]this[/i] thread[/b]? :-s
People Power:
So a lethal dosage is alright - but sterilisation isn't - make up your mind!
Eh? Take a look at my last comment further up this thread whereby I said:
Perhaps temproary sterilisation for everyone may be a good idea
So we agree about sterilisation - in fact, for some of the lowlife on the streets, I'm all for sterilisation.
Whatever was said in the other thread, I shall post it over there. What is it that I've said, that you take exception to on this thread? :-s
Posted by: marshall conklin, New Jersey, USA on 5:56am Thu 28 Feb 08
It's way past due!!!!
Parents in the UK and the USA need to start taking responsibility again for their kids and stop leaving it up to the schools and social workers.
It's way past due!!!!
Parents in the UK and the USA need to start taking responsibility again for their kids and stop leaving it up to the schools and social workers.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:31pm Thu 28 Feb 08
I'll just close by saying that if all the agencies, organisations, schools, and parents / families all worked more closely - instead of fighting each other on what is right for the kids maybe we'd see more stable and happy kids - instead of the attention seeking, outright contravertial and stupid behaviour which does nothing but get on adults wick, and proves that we can be won over!
Who's the more mature and sensible here ?
If we - the adults don't know what their doing, can't work together, or find a united cause to help these kids get back on the "straight and narrow" - then we're no better than the kids!
I'll just close by saying that if all the agencies, organisations, schools, and parents / families all worked more closely - instead of fighting each other on what is right for the kids maybe we'd see more stable and happy kids - instead of the attention seeking, outright contravertial and stupid behaviour which does nothing but get on adults wick, and proves that we can be won over!
Who's the more mature and sensible here ?
If we - the adults don't know what their doing, can't work together, or find a united cause to help these kids get back on the "straight and narrow" - then we're no better than the kids!
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