Posted by: Gary, Parkhead on 12:18pm Wed 27 Feb 08
Why waste time and money on immigrant children, from over 100 nationalities, to be taught English when they will go home only to converse with their family in their native tongue?
If the parents don't make the effort to integrate by using the language of the country they have chosen to run to, then why should we the tax payer pick up the expense for their children?
Their families knew we speak English so why make this their destination when they would have passed through a multitude of countries before they arrived here and burden us with their problems.
Swahili kids!!! Kwa tomba ajili !
Why waste time and money on immigrant children, from over 100 nationalities, to be taught English when they will go home only to converse with their family in their native tongue?
If the parents don't make the effort to integrate by using the language of the country they have chosen to run to, then why should we the tax payer pick up the expense for their children?
Their families knew we speak English so why make this their destination when they would have passed through a multitude of countries before they arrived here and burden us with their problems.
Swahili kids!!! Kwa tomba ajili !
Posted by: Gary, Parkhead on 12:20pm Wed 27 Feb 08
Why waste time and money on immigrant children, from over 100 nationalities, to be taught English when they will go home only to converse with their family in their native tongue?
If the parents don't make the effort to integrate by using the language of the country they have chosen to run to, then why should we the tax payer pick up the expense for their children?
Their families knew we speak English so why make this their destination when they would have passed through a multitude of countries before they arrived here and burden us with their problems.
Swahili kids!!! Kwa tomba ajili !!!
Why waste time and money on immigrant children, from over 100 nationalities, to be taught English when they will go home only to converse with their family in their native tongue?
If the parents don't make the effort to integrate by using the language of the country they have chosen to run to, then why should we the tax payer pick up the expense for their children?
Their families knew we speak English so why make this their destination when they would have passed through a multitude of countries before they arrived here and burden us with their problems.
Swahili kids!!! Kwa tomba ajili !!!
Posted by: raypaterson, Glasgow on 1:29pm Wed 27 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Gary[/bold] wrote:
Why waste time and money on immigrant children, from over 100 nationalities, to be taught English when they will go home only to converse with their family in their native tongue? If the parents don't make the effort to integrate by using the language of the country they have chosen to run to, then why should we the tax payer pick up the expense for their children? Their families knew we speak English so why make this their destination when they would have passed through a multitude of countries before they arrived here and burden us with their problems. Swahili kids!!! Kwa tomba ajili !!! [/quote] Gary, it seems it's our duty to teach them English rather than expect them to learn it before they come. After all, we are getting this 'wonderful diversity' in return!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, pupils who do speak English, but need help, are getting pushed further down the pecking order. I have heard teachers groan when they are told yet more non English speaking children are foisted on them. It is not the fault of the children themselves, many of them pick up English fairly quickly, but why should taxpayers have to fork out yet again?
Gary wrote:
Why waste time and money on immigrant children, from over 100 nationalities, to be taught English when they will go home only to converse with their family in their native tongue? If the parents don't make the effort to integrate by using the language of the country they have chosen to run to, then why should we the tax payer pick up the expense for their children? Their families knew we speak English so why make this their destination when they would have passed through a multitude of countries before they arrived here and burden us with their problems. Swahili kids!!! Kwa tomba ajili !!!
Gary, it seems it's our duty to teach them English rather than expect them to learn it before they come. After all, we are getting this 'wonderful diversity' in return!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, pupils who do speak English, but need help, are getting pushed further down the pecking order. I have heard teachers groan when they are told yet more non English speaking children are foisted on them. It is not the fault of the children themselves, many of them pick up English fairly quickly, but why should taxpayers have to fork out yet again?
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 3:44pm Wed 27 Feb 08
Surely the onus is the parents of these kids to teach the importance of speaking fluently the language used in their adopted country.Those parents are not doing enough to encourage integration, I even hear them conversing in their native tongue during school hours.If they really want their children to progress and play a part in every day life, they must learn english.Adopt the french system were there is no catering for multi language groups everything from timetables ,school curriculim,public information, and all forms of address is in french..
Surely the onus is the parents of these kids to teach the importance of speaking fluently the language used in their adopted country.Those parents are not doing enough to encourage integration, I even hear them conversing in their native tongue during school hours.If they really want their children to progress and play a part in every day life, they must learn english.Adopt the french system were there is no catering for multi language groups everything from timetables ,school curriculim,public information, and all forms of address is in french..
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 4:14pm Wed 27 Feb 08
More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot?
As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country.
The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts.
Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?
More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot?
As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country.
The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts.
Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 6:41pm Wed 27 Feb 08
They should be given the money ...
It"s too late now to moan about the special needs of immigrants ...
The Government should have forseen all of these problems before they allowed a mass influx of immigrants ...
They should be given the money ...
It"s too late now to moan about the special needs of immigrants ...
The Government should have forseen all of these problems before they allowed a mass influx of immigrants ...
Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 7:22pm Wed 27 Feb 08
I agree wi the french way of ding things. They come here its our way of education an thats it. Bad enuff trying to get help in school when you have a learning disabilty without money bein diverted to immigrants who have no intentions of speaking our language outside of school. They dont want to fit in so why waste the money on em.
I agree wi the french way of ding things. They come here its our way of education an thats it. Bad enuff trying to get help in school when you have a learning disabilty without money bein diverted to immigrants who have no intentions of speaking our language outside of school. They dont want to fit in so why waste the money on em.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 9:23pm Wed 27 Feb 08
the government lets them in then they should fund teaching establishments outside of school to teach them and their parents english.why should the majority of schoolchildren have less time spent on their education due to a few.once they can speak reasonable english they could then join the school.
the government lets them in then they should fund teaching establishments outside of school to teach them and their parents english.why should the majority of schoolchildren have less time spent on their education due to a few.once they can speak reasonable english they could then join the school.
Posted by: raypaterson, Glasgow on 1:15pm Thu 28 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote:
More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?[/quote] Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration.
Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this.
Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school.
Fanto wrote:
More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?
Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration.
Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this.
Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school.
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 1:39pm Thu 28 Feb 08
[quote][bold]raypaterson[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote: More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?[/quote] Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration. Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this. Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school. [/quote] Fine, lets stick with immigration then.
I don't really get what you're talking about. The whole point of this story is to help young immigrants to learn to speak english. This will help them assimilate and, in time, have the opportunity make valuable contributions to society. They might even pay tax!! Or will that then mean they are coming over here and taking our jobs???
The notion that "more attention at school" will cure both corpulence and ignorance is not going to happen. Even if we put big gates up at Gretna. And blaming immigrants for putting too much of a strain on public services is like saying that unemployment rocketed as soon as women were allowed to work.
Immigrants are not universal parasites in the same way that all Jock Tamson's Bairns aren't exactly valued members of the community. To cast such sweeping generalisms to the winds like that proves that the wee bit extra attention you must have got at school (without all these ruddy foreigners) didn't do you much good.
Perhaps there are more home-grown parasites that we should be turning our attention to rather than the "red under the bed" hysteria clearly evident here.
raypaterson wrote:
Fanto wrote: More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?
Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration. Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this. Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school.
Fine, lets stick with immigration then.
I don't really get what you're talking about. The whole point of this story is to help young immigrants to learn to speak english. This will help them assimilate and, in time, have the opportunity make valuable contributions to society. They might even pay tax!! Or will that then mean they are coming over here and taking our jobs???
The notion that "more attention at school" will cure both corpulence and ignorance is not going to happen. Even if we put big gates up at Gretna. And blaming immigrants for putting too much of a strain on public services is like saying that unemployment rocketed as soon as women were allowed to work.
Immigrants are not universal parasites in the same way that all Jock Tamson's Bairns aren't exactly valued members of the community. To cast such sweeping generalisms to the winds like that proves that the wee bit extra attention you must have got at school (without all these ruddy foreigners) didn't do you much good.
Perhaps there are more home-grown parasites that we should be turning our attention to rather than the "red under the bed" hysteria clearly evident here.
Posted by: raypaterson, Glasgow on 1:59pm Thu 28 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]raypaterson[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote: More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?[/quote] Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration. Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this. Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school. [/quote] Fine, lets stick with immigration then. I don't really get what you're talking about. The whole point of this story is to help young immigrants to learn to speak english. This will help them assimilate and, in time, have the opportunity make valuable contributions to society. They might even pay tax!! Or will that then mean they are coming over here and taking our jobs??? The notion that "more attention at school" will cure both corpulence and ignorance is not going to happen. Even if we put big gates up at Gretna. And blaming immigrants for putting too much of a strain on public services is like saying that unemployment rocketed as soon as women were allowed to work. Immigrants are not universal parasites in the same way that all Jock Tamson's Bairns aren't exactly valued members of the community. To cast such sweeping generalisms to the winds like that proves that the wee bit extra attention you must have got at school (without all these ruddy foreigners) didn't do you much good. Perhaps there are more home-grown parasites that we should be turning our attention to rather than the "red under the bed" hysteria clearly evident here.[/quote] Immigrants are not universal parasites, yes that's correct, but neither are all natives fat and ignorant as you seem to be suggesting. So who is generalising now?
Helping immigrants to assimilate should not be purely down to the host country. If they intend to work here, then is it too much to ask that they learn basic English? After all, if I want to work in a foreign country, I would almost certainly have to be fluent in that country's language. Of course, the ones paying tax on a low wage, also get tax funded benefits.
You are obviously one of those self loathers, who thinks all immigration is wonderful and all locals are uneducated fatties. If that were true, why are so many immigrants coming to the UK? Legal and illegal?
Finally, I love the way that you see 'hysteria' in the fact that people dare to disagree with you. Tax payers are rightly concerned that money for Special Needs Education is being used to help fund English lessons for lazy immigrants.
Fanto wrote:
raypaterson wrote: Fanto wrote: More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?
Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration. Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this. Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school.
Fine, lets stick with immigration then. I don't really get what you're talking about. The whole point of this story is to help young immigrants to learn to speak english. This will help them assimilate and, in time, have the opportunity make valuable contributions to society. They might even pay tax!! Or will that then mean they are coming over here and taking our jobs??? The notion that "more attention at school" will cure both corpulence and ignorance is not going to happen. Even if we put big gates up at Gretna. And blaming immigrants for putting too much of a strain on public services is like saying that unemployment rocketed as soon as women were allowed to work. Immigrants are not universal parasites in the same way that all Jock Tamson's Bairns aren't exactly valued members of the community. To cast such sweeping generalisms to the winds like that proves that the wee bit extra attention you must have got at school (without all these ruddy foreigners) didn't do you much good. Perhaps there are more home-grown parasites that we should be turning our attention to rather than the "red under the bed" hysteria clearly evident here.
Immigrants are not universal parasites, yes that's correct, but neither are all natives fat and ignorant as you seem to be suggesting. So who is generalising now?
Helping immigrants to assimilate should not be purely down to the host country. If they intend to work here, then is it too much to ask that they learn basic English? After all, if I want to work in a foreign country, I would almost certainly have to be fluent in that country's language. Of course, the ones paying tax on a low wage, also get tax funded benefits.
You are obviously one of those self loathers, who thinks all immigration is wonderful and all locals are uneducated fatties. If that were true, why are so many immigrants coming to the UK? Legal and illegal?
Finally, I love the way that you see 'hysteria' in the fact that people dare to disagree with you. Tax payers are rightly concerned that money for Special Needs Education is being used to help fund English lessons for lazy immigrants.
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 2:38pm Thu 28 Feb 08
[quote][bold]raypaterson[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]raypaterson[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Fanto[/bold] wrote: More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?[/quote] Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration. Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this. Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school. [/quote] Fine, lets stick with immigration then. I don't really get what you're talking about. The whole point of this story is to help young immigrants to learn to speak english. This will help them assimilate and, in time, have the opportunity make valuable contributions to society. They might even pay tax!! Or will that then mean they are coming over here and taking our jobs??? The notion that "more attention at school" will cure both corpulence and ignorance is not going to happen. Even if we put big gates up at Gretna. And blaming immigrants for putting too much of a strain on public services is like saying that unemployment rocketed as soon as women were allowed to work. Immigrants are not universal parasites in the same way that all Jock Tamson's Bairns aren't exactly valued members of the community. To cast such sweeping generalisms to the winds like that proves that the wee bit extra attention you must have got at school (without all these ruddy foreigners) didn't do you much good. Perhaps there are more home-grown parasites that we should be turning our attention to rather than the "red under the bed" hysteria clearly evident here.[/quote] Immigrants are not universal parasites, yes that's correct, but neither are all natives fat and ignorant as you seem to be suggesting. So who is generalising now? Helping immigrants to assimilate should not be purely down to the host country. If they intend to work here, then is it too much to ask that they learn basic English? After all, if I want to work in a foreign country, I would almost certainly have to be fluent in that country's language. Of course, the ones paying tax on a low wage, also get tax funded benefits. You are obviously one of those self loathers, who thinks all immigration is wonderful and all locals are uneducated fatties. If that were true, why are so many immigrants coming to the UK? Legal and illegal? Finally, I love the way that you see 'hysteria' in the fact that people dare to disagree with you. Tax payers are rightly concerned that money for Special Needs Education is being used to help fund English lessons for lazy immigrants.[/quote] I see hysteria as an irrational fear and, frankly, I think the term is justified. Especially when we are talking about children coming to a new school in a new country rather than some story on how we’re “swamped” and “things ain’t like they used to be”.
These kids’ parents may not have had the benefits of a good ol’ british education or have to work very many hours in the most menial of jobs to support their family here. They may even be lazy, as you say, before I am accused of some kind of romanticism of their plight!! But why do you think they should be ignored? What is it about them that means they have no right to take part in society? You must admit that the low paid-long hours industry of hospitality is doing very well out of the influx of hard-working and cheap labour. People who are prepared to take on the jobs that many – not all - natives think beneath them.
It is true that I don’t have a problem with immigration. I don’t see how some Victorian drawing lines on a map should have any bearing on who should be allowed to contribute to society. People, both British and otherwise, should be appreciated on their merits or lack thereof. Resources are finite but just because you were born somewhere doesn’t give you the innate right to bleed society dry. Look at the money that is wasted on those who have no intention of ever working or see fiddling the system as a full-time job in itself. That is where you’re SEN cash is going just as much as teaching English to immigrant children I’m afraid.
Assimilation is not about the host country throwing cash at the problem but it is also not just about expecting anyone who comes here to be fluent in the works of Burns or Shakespeare. Britain is a great place that is becoming tainted by ignorance and intolerance and I appreciate that you are coming round to this diversity thing with embracing the fat and ignorant who waddle open-mouthed among us. I merely tried to bring in the example of less than desirable locals to “see us as others see us”
raypaterson wrote:
Fanto wrote: raypaterson wrote: Fanto wrote: More school kids speak Doric than Urdu or Punjabi? Fit's that a' aboot? As expected though, the "silent majority" (if only) has started their polemic on how all of our social ills can be blamed on immigration. What absolute nonsense. Take a look out of your window towards Celtic Park Gary and see what immigrants can do in this country. The idea that our needs are being ignored in favour of others is so ill thought out it's barely worth arguing with. Indeed, you could argue that having seen your family murdered and being forced to flee for your life might make you more willing to learn that some fat (badly dressed) teenager from round these parts. Most of whom, like, pure can't speak inglish and that in the, like, first place - know what I mean?
Who is blaming all of our social ills on the immigrants? As for our needs not being ignored, it is a fact that schools, hospitals, police service and so on are struggling to cope, due to mass immigration. Your second point seems to refer to refugees, We are talking about people who CHOOSE to come to the UK, yet make no attempt to learn the language. Why should the taxpayer have to pay for their English lessons? No other country does this. Your last (sarcastic) point actually proves what I was saying. The 'fat teenager' may have been able to speak better English if he got more attention at school.
Fine, lets stick with immigration then. I don't really get what you're talking about. The whole point of this story is to help young immigrants to learn to speak english. This will help them assimilate and, in time, have the opportunity make valuable contributions to society. They might even pay tax!! Or will that then mean they are coming over here and taking our jobs??? The notion that "more attention at school" will cure both corpulence and ignorance is not going to happen. Even if we put big gates up at Gretna. And blaming immigrants for putting too much of a strain on public services is like saying that unemployment rocketed as soon as women were allowed to work. Immigrants are not universal parasites in the same way that all Jock Tamson's Bairns aren't exactly valued members of the community. To cast such sweeping generalisms to the winds like that proves that the wee bit extra attention you must have got at school (without all these ruddy foreigners) didn't do you much good. Perhaps there are more home-grown parasites that we should be turning our attention to rather than the "red under the bed" hysteria clearly evident here.
Immigrants are not universal parasites, yes that's correct, but neither are all natives fat and ignorant as you seem to be suggesting. So who is generalising now? Helping immigrants to assimilate should not be purely down to the host country. If they intend to work here, then is it too much to ask that they learn basic English? After all, if I want to work in a foreign country, I would almost certainly have to be fluent in that country's language. Of course, the ones paying tax on a low wage, also get tax funded benefits. You are obviously one of those self loathers, who thinks all immigration is wonderful and all locals are uneducated fatties. If that were true, why are so many immigrants coming to the UK? Legal and illegal? Finally, I love the way that you see 'hysteria' in the fact that people dare to disagree with you. Tax payers are rightly concerned that money for Special Needs Education is being used to help fund English lessons for lazy immigrants.
I see hysteria as an irrational fear and, frankly, I think the term is justified. Especially when we are talking about children coming to a new school in a new country rather than some story on how we’re “swamped” and “things ain’t like they used to be”.
These kids’ parents may not have had the benefits of a good ol’ british education or have to work very many hours in the most menial of jobs to support their family here. They may even be lazy, as you say, before I am accused of some kind of romanticism of their plight!! But why do you think they should be ignored? What is it about them that means they have no right to take part in society? You must admit that the low paid-long hours industry of hospitality is doing very well out of the influx of hard-working and cheap labour. People who are prepared to take on the jobs that many – not all - natives think beneath them.
It is true that I don’t have a problem with immigration. I don’t see how some Victorian drawing lines on a map should have any bearing on who should be allowed to contribute to society. People, both British and otherwise, should be appreciated on their merits or lack thereof. Resources are finite but just because you were born somewhere doesn’t give you the innate right to bleed society dry. Look at the money that is wasted on those who have no intention of ever working or see fiddling the system as a full-time job in itself. That is where you’re SEN cash is going just as much as teaching English to immigrant children I’m afraid.
Assimilation is not about the host country throwing cash at the problem but it is also not just about expecting anyone who comes here to be fluent in the works of Burns or Shakespeare. Britain is a great place that is becoming tainted by ignorance and intolerance and I appreciate that you are coming round to this diversity thing with embracing the fat and ignorant who waddle open-mouthed among us. I merely tried to bring in the example of less than desirable locals to “see us as others see us”
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 8:51pm Thu 28 Feb 08
The fact that these foreign kids cannot speak , read or write English is detrimental to the teaching of our own kids. Whilst extra time is being spent on the foreigners, our own kids are sitting learning nothing - they are being deprived of teaching time.
Recently Glasgow City councillors proudly announced that they had managed to place circa one hundred non - speaking, non-writing, non-reading Eastern kids into Glasgow schools, mostly in the Govanhill area. No thought was given to our teachers who had the impossible task of teaching the foreigners. Nor did the councillors care about the detrimental effect this would have on our own children.
Have you ever heard a councillor, MP or MSP speak out against the number of immigrants and their offspring who are descending on us? No way - they are too scared of being labelled racist by one of the asylum seekers / refugee support groups which we fund.
When a community or a society has lost the will or the backbone to stand up for their own children, that society is finished. Make up your own minds.
The fact that these foreign kids cannot speak , read or write English is detrimental to the teaching of our own kids. Whilst extra time is being spent on the foreigners, our own kids are sitting learning nothing - they are being deprived of teaching time.
Recently Glasgow City councillors proudly announced that they had managed to place circa one hundred non - speaking, non-writing, non-reading Eastern kids into Glasgow schools, mostly in the Govanhill area. No thought was given to our teachers who had the impossible task of teaching the foreigners. Nor did the councillors care about the detrimental effect this would have on our own children.
Have you ever heard a councillor, MP or MSP speak out against the number of immigrants and their offspring who are descending on us? No way - they are too scared of being labelled racist by one of the asylum seekers / refugee support groups which we fund.
When a community or a society has lost the will or the backbone to stand up for their own children, that society is finished. Make up your own minds.
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