Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:43pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote]He (Frank McAveety) said: "In recent years Stirlingfaulds has lost its way - it's been a problem for a while so people will be looking forward to getting them down.
"A lot of people have stayed in the Faulds' over the years and will have fond memories of it but it's a good signal that they are coming down.[/quote]
I can never remember the place being good, it was only a housing scheme with nice people, no means of an economy, and a total waste of landspace, but then back in the 60's the plan was to de-urbanise the city in general, hence the failure of it all and now demolition to bring back prosperity to the area so it can be re-fused with the city centre instead of being alienated from it!
He (Frank McAveety) said: "In recent years Stirlingfaulds has lost its way - it's been a problem for a while so people will be looking forward to getting them down.
"A lot of people have stayed in the Faulds' over the years and will have fond memories of it but it's a good signal that they are coming down.
I can never remember the place being good, it was only a housing scheme with nice people, no means of an economy, and a total waste of landspace, but then back in the 60's the plan was to de-urbanise the city in general, hence the failure of it all and now demolition to bring back prosperity to the area so it can be re-fused with the city centre instead of being alienated from it!
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 1:34pm Tue 4 Mar 08
Is this the estate that was once dubbed as "Glasgow's Bronx" a few years ago?
Is this the estate that was once dubbed as "Glasgow's Bronx" a few years ago?
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:41pm Tue 4 Mar 08
The beautiful buildings they pulled down in 60s to build them horrors.
The beautiful buildings they pulled down in 60s to build them horrors.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:45pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Renegade[/bold] wrote:
Is this the estate that was once dubbed as "Glasgow's Bronx" a few years ago?[/quote] Yes, Sir Renegade, a title most likely used by locals but never saw the light of day until David Leask mooted the term as it appeared in the title across the front page of this paper - June 2006 I think it was, however Frank McAveety's comments are pure urine, like as if the place used to be thriving, does he sniff glue in crisp pokes?
Renegade wrote:
Is this the estate that was once dubbed as "Glasgow's Bronx" a few years ago?
Yes, Sir Renegade, a title most likely used by locals but never saw the light of day until David Leask mooted the term as it appeared in the title across the front page of this paper - June 2006 I think it was, however Frank McAveety's comments are pure urine, like as if the place used to be thriving, does he sniff glue in crisp pokes?
Posted by: john1, Glasgow on 1:47pm Tue 4 Mar 08
eh Jim I think the rose tinted specs need a clean. The Gorbals was a slum with serious problems. Ok the solution they went for was wrong and flawed from the beginning but lets not get carried away with what was there before. It's people that make communities, not bricks and mortar.
eh Jim I think the rose tinted specs need a clean. The Gorbals was a slum with serious problems. Ok the solution they went for was wrong and flawed from the beginning but lets not get carried away with what was there before. It's people that make communities, not bricks and mortar.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:50pm Tue 4 Mar 08
I also have a picture from when the Norfolk Court flats were nearing completion - 1976, the area then (especially on the other side of Gorbals Street) as Big Jim staes above had some outstanding buildings - its amazing what a politician and a planner can do to bring a city down!
I also have a picture from when the Norfolk Court flats were nearing completion - 1976, the area then (especially on the other side of Gorbals Street) as Big Jim staes above had some outstanding buildings - its amazing what a politician and a planner can do to bring a city down!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:56pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]john1[/bold] wrote:
eh Jim I think the rose tinted specs need a clean. The Gorbals was a slum with serious problems. Ok the solution they went for was wrong and flawed from the beginning but lets not get carried away with what was there before. It's people that make communities, not bricks and mortar.[/quote] John you may be referring to Oscar Mazaroli's Hutchesontown with the hideous conditions that people endured, but Laurieston had some amazing structures which were occupied by doctors and lawyers and where slums was in the minority - my pictures of Gorbals Street (even in 1965) do not show slum buildings just a busy place full of residents, workers and shoppers, I wouldn't say in that respect that the area now was better than what it ever was, because it simply isn't the case!
john1 wrote:
eh Jim I think the rose tinted specs need a clean. The Gorbals was a slum with serious problems. Ok the solution they went for was wrong and flawed from the beginning but lets not get carried away with what was there before. It's people that make communities, not bricks and mortar.
John you may be referring to Oscar Mazaroli's Hutchesontown with the hideous conditions that people endured, but Laurieston had some amazing structures which were occupied by doctors and lawyers and where slums was in the minority - my pictures of Gorbals Street (even in 1965) do not show slum buildings just a busy place full of residents, workers and shoppers, I wouldn't say in that respect that the area now was better than what it ever was, because it simply isn't the case!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:19pm Tue 4 Mar 08
And I must add the point that if these buildings in Laurieston were slums, then why did they remain standing until the early 1980's before they were demolished (those which didn't stand in the way of the 4 blocks) and why is one slum still standing in that respect which has outlived the hideous multi-storey slums that were built to replace these so-called slums? I think it was an overused term which was seen as a licence to rid Glasgow of its properties and leave people in deprivation - a blackened building didn't necessarily mean it was a slum!
And I must add the point that if these buildings in Laurieston were slums, then why did they remain standing until the early 1980's before they were demolished (those which didn't stand in the way of the 4 blocks) and why is one slum still standing in that respect which has outlived the hideous multi-storey slums that were built to replace these so-called slums? I think it was an overused term which was seen as a licence to rid Glasgow of its properties and leave people in deprivation - a blackened building didn't necessarily mean it was a slum!
Posted by: Katie, Glasgow on 2:22pm Tue 4 Mar 08
Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in. The one I live in has had no investment for years. The kitchens are from the 1960's and despite numerous complaints do not get repaired. The bathrooms are in the same condition. The quicker these monstrosities are pulled down and decent social housing built the better!!!!
Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in. The one I live in has had no investment for years. The kitchens are from the 1960's and despite numerous complaints do not get repaired. The bathrooms are in the same condition. The quicker these monstrosities are pulled down and decent social housing built the better!!!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:54pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Katie[/bold] wrote:
Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in. The one I live in has had no investment for years. The kitchens are from the 1960's and despite numerous complaints do not get repaired. The bathrooms are in the same condition. The quicker these monstrosities are pulled down and decent social housing built the better!!!![/quote] You better watch Sh1tehillman Katie, he has a fetish for these things and may have a point to offer, of course, not all multi storeys are bad - take Dougrie Heights in Castlemilk for example - probably more appropriate than in the middle of Springburn or The Gorbals, but as a "community" where there is nothing else around them (Shitehill & Dead Road), it doesn't take a half wit to realise they are doomed to failure!
Katie wrote:
Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in. The one I live in has had no investment for years. The kitchens are from the 1960's and despite numerous complaints do not get repaired. The bathrooms are in the same condition. The quicker these monstrosities are pulled down and decent social housing built the better!!!!
You better watch Sh1tehillman Katie, he has a fetish for these things and may have a point to offer, of course, not all multi storeys are bad - take Dougrie Heights in Castlemilk for example - probably more appropriate than in the middle of Springburn or The Gorbals, but as a "community" where there is nothing else around them (Shitehill & Dead Road), it doesn't take a half wit to realise they are doomed to failure!
Posted by: watz, g31 on 3:42pm Tue 4 Mar 08
"the black twin towers" there are four of them, evening times - do your research!
"the black twin towers" there are four of them, evening times - do your research!
Posted by: absent_not_vacant, London on 4:23pm Tue 4 Mar 08
Glasgow has managed to plan itself out of existence. The best parts of town are the bits the Victorians built. Its about time the council and planners started to wonder what the Victorians did right.
Glasgow has managed to plan itself out of existence. The best parts of town are the bits the Victorians built. Its about time the council and planners started to wonder what the Victorians did right.
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:47pm Tue 4 Mar 08
I hope they pull down the 2 blocks at the end of Duke Street in Dennistoun - they seriously look like the twin towers. Only these SHOULD come down!
I hope they pull down the 2 blocks at the end of Duke Street in Dennistoun - they seriously look like the twin towers. Only these SHOULD come down!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:52pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]absent_not_vacant[/bold] wrote:
Glasgow has managed to plan itself out of existence. The best parts of town are the bits the Victorians built. Its about time the council and planners started to wonder what the Victorians did right.[/quote] Come on absent, its a bold and intelligent thought, but one which goes way over the head of that insular mob we call the council and their respective planners.
True, to think the copious amounts of public money that has been wasted over the years, we could have had communities re-built in the areas which have been raped of their existence, however, when you see the new builds and the crap flats that are springing up, it's plainly obvious that public money is only there to be wasted at every available opportunity.
Communities built today, unlike the Victorian days are not built to last and in Glasgow's case, these have been built to restric the growth of the city and to place limits on its economic function (Look at Anderston and Townhead, Cowcaddens & Springburn) prime examples of such areas that had some bad housing, yet, wiped out and turned into schemes and sealed off from the rest of Glasgow.
Never known anything like it to be honest!
absent_not_vacant wrote:
Glasgow has managed to plan itself out of existence. The best parts of town are the bits the Victorians built. Its about time the council and planners started to wonder what the Victorians did right.
Come on absent, its a bold and intelligent thought, but one which goes way over the head of that insular mob we call the council and their respective planners.
True, to think the copious amounts of public money that has been wasted over the years, we could have had communities re-built in the areas which have been raped of their existence, however, when you see the new builds and the crap flats that are springing up, it's plainly obvious that public money is only there to be wasted at every available opportunity.
Communities built today, unlike the Victorian days are not built to last and in Glasgow's case, these have been built to restric the growth of the city and to place limits on its economic function (Look at Anderston and Townhead, Cowcaddens & Springburn) prime examples of such areas that had some bad housing, yet, wiped out and turned into schemes and sealed off from the rest of Glasgow.
Never known anything like it to be honest!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:59pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
I hope they pull down the 2 blocks at the end of Duke Street in Dennistoun - they seriously look like the twin towers. Only these SHOULD come down![/quote] What, and nothing else? are you crazy? Do you believe that deprivation and the general dullness that comes with living in these places should continue to exist?
What advantages does Dead Road and Sh1tehill have over the Bluevale flats you speak of which are just off the Gallowgate rather than Duke Street as they sit on the Camlachie side of the railway line?
And do you believe the Gorbals flats should stand? If yes and you are not on prescribed medication and you haven't escaped from Carstairs, can I ask why you see these suicide traps as a benefit to the future of Glasgow and its people?
Ian wrote:
I hope they pull down the 2 blocks at the end of Duke Street in Dennistoun - they seriously look like the twin towers. Only these SHOULD come down!
What, and nothing else? are you crazy? Do you believe that deprivation and the general dullness that comes with living in these places should continue to exist?
What advantages does Dead Road and Sh1tehill have over the Bluevale flats you speak of which are just off the Gallowgate rather than Duke Street as they sit on the Camlachie side of the railway line?
And do you believe the Gorbals flats should stand? If yes and you are not on prescribed medication and you haven't escaped from Carstairs, can I ask why you see these suicide traps as a benefit to the future of Glasgow and its people?
Posted by: absent_not_vacant, London on 5:58pm Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote]wiped out and turned into schemes and sealed off from the rest of Glasgow.[/quote]
...leading to the sort of territorial behaviour that we see in the youth of these areas. Which, in turn, ensures that the schemes have to be rebuilt again every forty years. Building companies that get a contract with Glasgow Council must laugh all the way to the bank.
wiped out and turned into schemes and sealed off from the rest of Glasgow.
...leading to the sort of territorial behaviour that we see in the youth of these areas. Which, in turn, ensures that the schemes have to be rebuilt again every forty years. Building companies that get a contract with Glasgow Council must laugh all the way to the bank.
Posted by: bigcrispyhied, glasgow on 6:24pm Tue 4 Mar 08
i moved in to block 45 stirlingfauld in 1973 from a crumbling old tenament block that the factor hadn't spent a penny on in years,we had a bath ,central heating and a modern kitchen,i had a great upbringing there as it was very neighbourly,it was only in the mid eighties when the drug problem really started to hit hard that the flats whent down hill with house breakings and muggings on the landings,the council did spend cash on cctv but the rot had set in,i hope they get it right when they build the urban villiage thats planned the gorbals people deserve it.
i moved in to block 45 stirlingfauld in 1973 from a crumbling old tenament block that the factor hadn't spent a penny on in years,we had a bath ,central heating and a modern kitchen,i had a great upbringing there as it was very neighbourly,it was only in the mid eighties when the drug problem really started to hit hard that the flats whent down hill with house breakings and muggings on the landings,the council did spend cash on cctv but the rot had set in,i hope they get it right when they build the urban villiage thats planned the gorbals people deserve it.
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 6:55pm Tue 4 Mar 08
Katie: [quote]Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in.[/quote]
Some of the tenements in Barrowfield, Haghill, Blackhill and other such places give the hi-rise flats a run for their money.
The Missing City: [quote]I think (slums) was an overused term[/quote]
Well considering that older tenement properties in Kinning Park, Partick et al. were reportedly in perfectly inhabitable state in the 50's and 60's were pulled down, as "slums" in those days were regarded as anywhere that had over x amount of people per square mile, IIRC. :-/
You're on a roll tonight. Who's "Sir" Renegade??? I've heard you use that one before, lol.
Katie:
Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in.
Some of the tenements in Barrowfield, Haghill, Blackhill and other such places give the hi-rise flats a run for their money.
The Missing City:
I think (slums) was an overused term
Well considering that older tenement properties in Kinning Park, Partick et al. were reportedly in perfectly inhabitable state in the 50's and 60's were pulled down, as "slums" in those days were regarded as anywhere that had over x amount of people per square mile, IIRC. :-/
You're on a roll tonight. Who's "Sir" Renegade??? I've heard you use that one before, lol.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:06am Wed 5 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Renegade[/bold] wrote:
Katie: [quote]Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in.[/quote] Some of the tenements in Barrowfield, Haghill, Blackhill and other such places give the hi-rise flats a run for their money. The Missing City: [quote]I think (slums) was an overused term[/quote] Well considering that older tenement properties in Kinning Park, Partick et al. were reportedly in perfectly inhabitable state in the 50's and 60's were pulled down, as "slums" in those days were regarded as anywhere that had over x amount of people per square mile, IIRC. :-/ You're on a roll tonight. Who's "Sir" Renegade??? I've heard you use that one before, lol.[/quote] Some of your quotes entitle you to respect as you have done your homework on various issues. If offended, I shall withdraw the title ;-)
Renegade wrote:
Katie: Multi-storey flats are the worst housing to be living in.
Some of the tenements in Barrowfield, Haghill, Blackhill and other such places give the hi-rise flats a run for their money. The Missing City: I think (slums) was an overused term
Well considering that older tenement properties in Kinning Park, Partick et al. were reportedly in perfectly inhabitable state in the 50's and 60's were pulled down, as "slums" in those days were regarded as anywhere that had over x amount of people per square mile, IIRC. :-/ You're on a roll tonight. Who's "Sir" Renegade??? I've heard you use that one before, lol.
Some of your quotes entitle you to respect as you have done your homework on various issues. If offended, I shall withdraw the title ;-)
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 12:12pm Wed 5 Mar 08
LOL I'm not easilly offended at all mate. I was just curious and found it rather amusing. :-)) Yes, I have done my homework though a couple of other posters think I'm a bit of a troll lol. That doesn't offend me either as I find that amusing too. :-)) I just tell it as I see it, and I tend to see things the way they are. ;-)
LOL I'm not easilly offended at all mate. I was just curious and found it rather amusing. :-)) Yes, I have done my homework though a couple of other posters think I'm a bit of a troll lol. That doesn't offend me either as I find that amusing too. :-)) I just tell it as I see it, and I tend to see things the way they are. ;-)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:21pm Wed 5 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Renegade[/bold] wrote:
LOL I'm not easilly offended at all mate. I was just curious and found it rather amusing. :-)) Yes, I have done my homework though a couple of other posters think I'm a bit of a troll lol. That doesn't offend me either as I find that amusing too. :-)) I just tell it as I see it, and I tend to see things the way they are. ;-)[/quote] And quite rightly so, I've been doing that since mny brain could take things in - that would probably be from the age of 5 - Cor Blimey Gavnar - that was 1979 - Thatcher's entrance must have started me off! Ha Ha
Renegade wrote:
LOL I'm not easilly offended at all mate. I was just curious and found it rather amusing. :-)) Yes, I have done my homework though a couple of other posters think I'm a bit of a troll lol. That doesn't offend me either as I find that amusing too. :-)) I just tell it as I see it, and I tend to see things the way they are. ;-)
And quite rightly so, I've been doing that since mny brain could take things in - that would probably be from the age of 5 - Cor Blimey Gavnar - that was 1979 - Thatcher's entrance must have started me off! Ha Ha
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