Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:42pm Wed 12 Mar 08
As everybody knows the putting cost of alcohol up does little or nothing to stop the most ardent and determined of drinkers - this cheap stunt of the Chancellors - at an expensive price to us the public is an unimpresive, and soft option to take.
Wheres the more immediate incentives for people who recycle the most to get reductions in their Council Tax ?
Rewarding people who "Car Share" as a deliberate measure to cut car useage - and volume of cars on the roads!
Better funding given towards Alcohol treatment centres, rehabilitation - and A.A. Councilling - in conjunction to more expensive drinks.
The flaws in this budget are clear to see - these are just a few - clearly Mr Darling was never cut out to be Chancellor, unlike his more intellectual, if not ruthless predecessors: Gordon Brown, and Kenneth Clark before him!
Without immediate and cheaper incentives for people to live a cleaner, greener and more sustainable lifestyle - why should people bother to make that extra effort right NOW!
As everybody knows the putting cost of alcohol up does little or nothing to stop the most ardent and determined of drinkers - this cheap stunt of the Chancellors - at an expensive price to us the public is an unimpresive, and soft option to take.
Wheres the more immediate incentives for people who recycle the most to get reductions in their Council Tax ?
Rewarding people who "Car Share" as a deliberate measure to cut car useage - and volume of cars on the roads!
Better funding given towards Alcohol treatment centres, rehabilitation - and A.A. Councilling - in conjunction to more expensive drinks.
The flaws in this budget are clear to see - these are just a few - clearly Mr Darling was never cut out to be Chancellor, unlike his more intellectual, if not ruthless predecessors: Gordon Brown, and Kenneth Clark before him!
Without immediate and cheaper incentives for people to live a cleaner, greener and more sustainable lifestyle - why should people bother to make that extra effort right NOW!
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 3:28pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much..
Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much..
Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..
Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 3:34pm Wed 12 Mar 08
The current administration is leaning far too much towards fining people for disobedience, rather than rewarding people for positive attitudes (like people power mentioned re: recycling). Things like the car pool lane in the US, where cars with three or four people are allowed access to bus/taxi/cycle lanes might help on that front. Perhaps a healthy lifestyle should mean smaller NI contributions?
Positive initiatives which don't drain the finances of the public are in dire need, and steps must be taken to combat the current gloomy outlook for the future.
And polititians MUST be held accountable and not be rewarded when things go wrong, as all this does is erode whatever trust in the administration we have left.
The current administration is leaning far too much towards fining people for disobedience, rather than rewarding people for positive attitudes (like people power mentioned re: recycling). Things like the car pool lane in the US, where cars with three or four people are allowed access to bus/taxi/cycle lanes might help on that front. Perhaps a healthy lifestyle should mean smaller NI contributions?
Positive initiatives which don't drain the finances of the public are in dire need, and steps must be taken to combat the current gloomy outlook for the future.
And polititians MUST be held accountable and not be rewarded when things go wrong, as all this does is erode whatever trust in the administration we have left.
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 3:40pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[bold]Oh what a surprise budget!![/bold] No more anti social behaviour as the underage boozers can’t afford their drink after a massive 14p a bottle increase, I bet the monks at the abbey are now updating the cv’s and applying for jobs in a call centre as all the neds won’t be able to afford their usual tipple AYE RIGHT!!!!
11p on a packet of 20 cigarettes will do nothing to stop the stinking habit as most will claim that they are addicted and should not be punished but given cash in the form of stop smoking centres. Why doesn’t he put up a packet of 20 by £5 and give the money direct to the NHS as its all that sort who occupy the beds and cost the taxpayer a fortune.
Child benefit goes up from April 2009 so expect a massive increase of teenage single mothers around this time all who will all claim they didn’t realise they would get pregnant that way and the baby was a total surprise. AYE RIGHT!!!
[bold]What a life-changing budget…………….[/bold]
Oh what a surprise budget!! No more anti social behaviour as the underage boozers can’t afford their drink after a massive 14p a bottle increase, I bet the monks at the abbey are now updating the cv’s and applying for jobs in a call centre as all the neds won’t be able to afford their usual tipple AYE RIGHT!!!!
11p on a packet of 20 cigarettes will do nothing to stop the stinking habit as most will claim that they are addicted and should not be punished but given cash in the form of stop smoking centres. Why doesn’t he put up a packet of 20 by £5 and give the money direct to the NHS as its all that sort who occupy the beds and cost the taxpayer a fortune.
Child benefit goes up from April 2009 so expect a massive increase of teenage single mothers around this time all who will all claim they didn’t realise they would get pregnant that way and the baby was a total surprise. AYE RIGHT!!!
What a life-changing budget……………. Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:40pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote:
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..[/quote] As I child free singleton I seem to be bottom of the list.
Tax people for HAVING children, they are a drain on society.
And while he's at it, why not tax the super rich until they squeal.
I hear your pain wrote:
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..
As I child free singleton I seem to be bottom of the list.
Tax people for HAVING children, they are a drain on society.
And while he's at it, why not tax the super rich until they squeal.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:51pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Why doesn't the Evening Times just print the Headlibne - same as last year's budget - all things ever do is go up in price - the usual!
If you can afford it and you have money to burn, it makes no differencve compared to those who speand probably over £100 a week on booze.
Why can't they legalise drugs and tax them instead? I'm sure those who spend over £100 a week on Cheeko for example wouldn't miss a cheeky wee ten pounds on top to go towards helping deprived people!
Sounds fair to me!
Why doesn't the Evening Times just print the Headlibne - same as last year's budget - all things ever do is go up in price - the usual!
If you can afford it and you have money to burn, it makes no differencve compared to those who speand probably over £100 a week on booze.
Why can't they legalise drugs and tax them instead? I'm sure those who spend over £100 a week on Cheeko for example wouldn't miss a cheeky wee ten pounds on top to go towards helping deprived people!
Sounds fair to me!
Posted by: mick, Glasgow on 4:55pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Three months ago the Government started to wage their spin and propaganda campaign against "Booze Britain."
The tv news videos obligingly followed the party line and only portrayed underage drinkers in parks and people coming out of the pubs drunk on the streets late at night.
Anybody with a brain knew who and what the real target was.It was your reasonable average family shopper in the major supermarkets,buying for home and stocking up sensibly when a decent deal was on, but desperate to raise money the government targetted the drinks industry under the booze pretext for a huge hike in taxes.
The Government cowed the supermarkets to toe their line under possible future threats and the deals stopped.
Now the damage is done,the supermarkets do not owe this government any favours and can now resume competitive deals.
Three months ago the Government started to wage their spin and propaganda campaign against "Booze Britain."
The tv news videos obligingly followed the party line and only portrayed underage drinkers in parks and people coming out of the pubs drunk on the streets late at night.
Anybody with a brain knew who and what the real target was.It was your reasonable average family shopper in the major supermarkets,buying for home and stocking up sensibly when a decent deal was on, but desperate to raise money the government targetted the drinks industry under the booze pretext for a huge hike in taxes.
The Government cowed the supermarkets to toe their line under possible future threats and the deals stopped.
Now the damage is done,the supermarkets do not owe this government any favours and can now resume competitive deals.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:09pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kudos[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Oh what a surprise budget!![/bold] No more anti social behaviour as the underage boozers can’t afford their drink after a massive 14p a bottle increase, I bet the monks at the abbey are now updating the cv’s and applying for jobs in a call centre as all the neds won’t be able to afford their usual tipple AYE RIGHT!!!! 11p on a packet of 20 cigarettes will do nothing to stop the stinking habit as most will claim that they are addicted and should not be punished but given cash in the form of stop smoking centres. Why doesn’t he put up a packet of 20 by £5 and give the money direct to the NHS as its all that sort who occupy the beds and cost the taxpayer a fortune. Child benefit goes up from April 2009 so expect a massive increase of teenage single mothers around this time all who will all claim they didn’t realise they would get pregnant that way and the baby was a total surprise. AYE RIGHT!!! [bold]What a life-changing budget…………….[/bold] [/quote]
Nice one kudos, Alistair Darling is basically just Browns glove puppet, with Brown pulling all his strings - if this was initiated solely by the brains of Darling, then I'll eat my turd! lol ;-)
No rewarding tactics - just punishing taxes - which will make hee haw by way of difference, and do nothing to encourage those who are actually doing good in society to continue!
[bold]TYPICAL TRIPE![/bold]
Kudos wrote:
Oh what a surprise budget!! No more anti social behaviour as the underage boozers can’t afford their drink after a massive 14p a bottle increase, I bet the monks at the abbey are now updating the cv’s and applying for jobs in a call centre as all the neds won’t be able to afford their usual tipple AYE RIGHT!!!! 11p on a packet of 20 cigarettes will do nothing to stop the stinking habit as most will claim that they are addicted and should not be punished but given cash in the form of stop smoking centres. Why doesn’t he put up a packet of 20 by £5 and give the money direct to the NHS as its all that sort who occupy the beds and cost the taxpayer a fortune. Child benefit goes up from April 2009 so expect a massive increase of teenage single mothers around this time all who will all claim they didn’t realise they would get pregnant that way and the baby was a total surprise. AYE RIGHT!!! What a life-changing budget…………….
Nice one kudos, Alistair Darling is basically just Browns glove puppet, with Brown pulling all his strings - if this was initiated solely by the brains of Darling, then I'll eat my turd! lol ;-)
No rewarding tactics - just punishing taxes - which will make hee haw by way of difference, and do nothing to encourage those who are actually doing good in society to continue!
TYPICAL TRIPE! Posted by: Alan_YYZ, Canada on 6:45pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote:
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..[/quote] Hope you realise that your move over here to Canada will put you into one of the highest taxed Countries in the free world.
It makes me cry when I look at the amount of tax taken from my pay. Plus the amount of tax on top of everything you buy, touch or even fart into.
One of my other big annoyances is that here in Ontario, the price you see on a product is NOT the price you pay. When you get to the cashier you have GST and PST added onto it.
The only thing you will find is that it improves your maths skills, while doing the mental arithmetic in the stores!
I hear your pain wrote:
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..
Hope you realise that your move over here to Canada will put you into one of the highest taxed Countries in the free world.
It makes me cry when I look at the amount of tax taken from my pay. Plus the amount of tax on top of everything you buy, touch or even fart into.
One of my other big annoyances is that here in Ontario, the price you see on a product is NOT the price you pay. When you get to the cashier you have GST and PST added onto it.
The only thing you will find is that it improves your maths skills, while doing the mental arithmetic in the stores!
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 6:49pm Wed 12 Mar 08
The Government persists in blaming 'binge drinking' for increasing the price of alcohol. When will they realise this does little or nothing to stop people drinking? All it does is effectively make the general public worse off and push them into debt, whilst they still continue to drink the same amount they would have if the bottle of vodka was £9.99 but is now £10.50.
Same applies to cigarettes and road tax/petrol
Not good enough Labour
The Government persists in blaming 'binge drinking' for increasing the price of alcohol. When will they realise this does little or nothing to stop people drinking? All it does is effectively make the general public worse off and push them into debt, whilst they still continue to drink the same amount they would have if the bottle of vodka was £9.99 but is now £10.50.
Same applies to cigarettes and road tax/petrol
Not good enough Labour
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 6:59pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Alan_YYZ[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote:
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..[/quote] Hope you realise that your move over here to Canada will put you into one of the highest taxed Countries in the free world.
It makes me cry when I look at the amount of tax taken from my pay. Plus the amount of tax on top of everything you buy, touch or even fart into.
One of my other big annoyances is that here in Ontario, the price you see on a product is NOT the price you pay. When you get to the cashier you have GST and PST added onto it.
The only thing you will find is that it improves your maths skills, while doing the mental arithmetic in the stores![/quote] Yeah I know that Alan but im heart sick of getting shafted by this Labour Government..We are moving to Comox Vancouver island & we cant wait..
Alan_YYZ wrote:
I hear your pain wrote:
Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..
Hope you realise that your move over here to Canada will put you into one of the highest taxed Countries in the free world.
It makes me cry when I look at the amount of tax taken from my pay. Plus the amount of tax on top of everything you buy, touch or even fart into.
One of my other big annoyances is that here in Ontario, the price you see on a product is NOT the price you pay. When you get to the cashier you have GST and PST added onto it.
The only thing you will find is that it improves your maths skills, while doing the mental arithmetic in the stores!
Yeah I know that Alan but im heart sick of getting shafted by this Labour Government..We are moving to Comox Vancouver island & we cant wait..
Posted by: Alan_YYZ, Canada on 7:04pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan_YYZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote: Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..[/quote] Hope you realise that your move over here to Canada will put you into one of the highest taxed Countries in the free world. It makes me cry when I look at the amount of tax taken from my pay. Plus the amount of tax on top of everything you buy, touch or even fart into. One of my other big annoyances is that here in Ontario, the price you see on a product is NOT the price you pay. When you get to the cashier you have GST and PST added onto it. The only thing you will find is that it improves your maths skills, while doing the mental arithmetic in the stores![/quote] Yeah I know that Alan but im heart sick of getting shafted by this Labour Government..We are moving to Comox Vancouver island & we cant wait..[/quote] I'm sure you will have a great time there. I visted Vancouver last year and was quite impressed. Haven't been to the island though.
I believe that there is some kind of flat-fee car insurance process there too, which will save some more money than you would in Ontario.
You will also find that the weather is quite similar to Glasgow!
Cheers,
Alan
I hear your pain wrote:
Alan_YYZ wrote: I hear your pain wrote: Once again childless couple get sweet F.A & families get a look in though not that much.. Do we not count, do we not pay tax?..No wonder my wife & I are emigrating to Canada in Nov this year, i am sick of this labour government who last face it are more right wing than the Conservatives..
Hope you realise that your move over here to Canada will put you into one of the highest taxed Countries in the free world. It makes me cry when I look at the amount of tax taken from my pay. Plus the amount of tax on top of everything you buy, touch or even fart into. One of my other big annoyances is that here in Ontario, the price you see on a product is NOT the price you pay. When you get to the cashier you have GST and PST added onto it. The only thing you will find is that it improves your maths skills, while doing the mental arithmetic in the stores!
Yeah I know that Alan but im heart sick of getting shafted by this Labour Government..We are moving to Comox Vancouver island & we cant wait..
I'm sure you will have a great time there. I visted Vancouver last year and was quite impressed. Haven't been to the island though.
I believe that there is some kind of flat-fee car insurance process there too, which will save some more money than you would in Ontario.
You will also find that the weather is quite similar to Glasgow!
Cheers,
Alan
Posted by: mum, port glasgow on 10:20pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Iam a pensioner with a small works pension.my tax is bill is taking quite a jump,because they have taken away the 10% level.Its getting hard to tell the difference between the torys and labour.
Iam a pensioner with a small works pension.my tax is bill is taking quite a jump,because they have taken away the 10% level.Its getting hard to tell the difference between the torys and labour.
Posted by: inverclyde22, Inverclyde on 11:30pm Wed 12 Mar 08
We keep hearing about pensioners,and believe me they get a hell of a raw deal, but those of us who are disabled are also on fixed incomes and would appreciate the winter fuel allowance too.
We keep hearing about pensioners,and believe me they get a hell of a raw deal, but those of us who are disabled are also on fixed incomes and would appreciate the winter fuel allowance too.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:34am Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DMac[/bold] wrote:
The Government persists in blaming 'binge drinking' for increasing the price of alcohol. When will they realise this does little or nothing to stop people drinking? All it does is effectively make the general public worse off and push them into debt, whilst they still continue to drink the same amount they would have if the bottle of vodka was £9.99 but is now £10.50. Same applies to cigarettes and road tax/petrol Not good enough Labour[/quote]
Spot on DMac,
Wonder where Frank is in all this - Budget bashing, and labour lashing!
His towing the labour party line must be waring thin to all posters!
He seems to of disapeared!
Funny that!
DMac wrote:
The Government persists in blaming 'binge drinking' for increasing the price of alcohol. When will they realise this does little or nothing to stop people drinking? All it does is effectively make the general public worse off and push them into debt, whilst they still continue to drink the same amount they would have if the bottle of vodka was £9.99 but is now £10.50. Same applies to cigarettes and road tax/petrol Not good enough Labour
Spot on DMac,
Wonder where Frank is in all this - Budget bashing, and labour lashing!
His towing the labour party line must be waring thin to all posters!
He seems to of disapeared!
Funny that!