Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:13am Thu 13 Mar 08
This plan in principle is not simply about the right or wrongs -
Clearly many people are in favour of this.
However, as with The "Save Pollok Park" Campaign, and G.C.C.'s unofficial handshake with "Go Ape" the same applies here.
The problem lies with
1. Shoddy Council consultations, from the word go - with far less transparent and easily accessible means for people to complain, submit their objections. ( ie advertised postal addresses, NOT JUST E - MAIL!)
2. The time factor given to people to lodge their objections is all too often the statuatory minimum period, and doesnt always account for new information which we read in the press.
2. Private Companies moving in on our "Dear Green Space" seems to sadly be the "norm" ; BUT IS IT PROGRESS - Or just greedy capitalism, and destruction of our few parts of un developed, virginal green spaces!
Do we really need another night club in Glasgows West End ?
Who stands to benefit most from it - certainly not the local economy or residents.
When will the public voice be heard the initial official way of complaining, and lodging objections - instead of this increasing need to protest, and have campaigns.
The need for campaign groups in this day and age is a sad reflection on how much we need to fight for what we believe in - and is proof of how apathetic so many people still are.
Those who cannot vote based on what improvement, changes for the better or actual help they have received from their individual MSP - Councillor need to wake up, and see that its party politics which is destroying our cities.
The independant candidates wont get a look in unless we realise we need alot more of them, to stand against the Council, and fight for far more specific causes - and for us the people! Not themselves the money grabbing, self fulfilling, greedy overweight twat5!
This plan in principle is not simply about the right or wrongs -
Clearly many people are in favour of this.
However, as with The "Save Pollok Park" Campaign, and G.C.C.'s unofficial handshake with "Go Ape" the same applies here.
The problem lies with
1. Shoddy Council consultations, from the word go - with far less transparent and easily accessible means for people to complain, submit their objections. ( ie advertised postal addresses, NOT JUST E - MAIL!)
2. The time factor given to people to lodge their objections is all too often the statuatory minimum period, and doesnt always account for new information which we read in the press.
2. Private Companies moving in on our "Dear Green Space" seems to sadly be the "norm" ; BUT IS IT PROGRESS - Or just greedy capitalism, and destruction of our few parts of un developed, virginal green spaces!
Do we really need another night club in Glasgows West End ?
Who stands to benefit most from it - certainly not the local economy or residents.
When will the public voice be heard the initial official way of complaining, and lodging objections - instead of this increasing need to protest, and have campaigns.
The need for campaign groups in this day and age is a sad reflection on how much we need to fight for what we believe in - and is proof of how apathetic so many people still are.
Those who cannot vote based on what improvement, changes for the better or actual help they have received from their individual MSP - Councillor need to wake up, and see that its party politics which is destroying our cities.
The independant candidates wont get a look in unless we realise we need alot more of them, to stand against the Council, and fight for far more specific causes - and for us the people! Not themselves the money grabbing, self fulfilling, greedy overweight twat5!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:15am Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]A G1 "Get swallied oot yer face at oor scheme Off Licence" Group spokesman said:[/bold] "It's a pity that people are so agitated under the misapprehension that this project will bring anything other than benefits to the area.[/quote]
Well what did they expect? Bunches of flowers and people to bow to them?
The people were hardly consulted on the matter.
But in all fairness.... YES this part of the Botanics, on the edge of the park's perimeter is a dump and something needs done - its like a bit of Parkhead meets Hillhead at this part of the Botanics; overgrown weeds, a wall for menshies and an old bus drivers bothy that hasn't been used since the early 1980's - so should this part of the botanics stay like that?
A G1 "Get swallied oot yer face at oor scheme Off Licence" Group spokesman said: "It's a pity that people are so agitated under the misapprehension that this project will bring anything other than benefits to the area.
Well what did they expect? Bunches of flowers and people to bow to them?
The people were hardly consulted on the matter.
But in all fairness.... YES this part of the Botanics, on the edge of the park's perimeter is a dump and something needs done - its like a bit of Parkhead meets Hillhead at this part of the Botanics; overgrown weeds, a wall for menshies and an old bus drivers bothy that hasn't been used since the early 1980's - so should this part of the botanics stay like that?
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:29pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote]A G1 Group spokesman said: "It's a pity that people are so agitated under the misapprehension that this project will bring anything other than benefits to the area.
"[bold]G1 Group is willing to listen to local people[/bold] . It is strange that they have never contacted us." [/quote]
Aye right, - a bit like some of our councillors who "listen" and then just carry on regardless. Stefan King and Beil Baxter both heard what local people thought of their plans at the public meeting in Hillhead Library.
[quote]so should this part of the botanics stay like that[/quote]
No - a nice wee tearoom and visitor centre woudl go down a treat, but that is not exactly what Mr King has in mind.
A G1 Group spokesman said: "It's a pity that people are so agitated under the misapprehension that this project will bring anything other than benefits to the area.
"G1 Group is willing to listen to local people . It is strange that they have never contacted us."
Aye right, - a bit like some of our councillors who "listen" and then just carry on regardless. Stefan King and Beil Baxter both heard what local people thought of their plans at the public meeting in Hillhead Library.
so should this part of the botanics stay like that
No - a nice wee tearoom and visitor centre woudl go down a treat, but that is not exactly what Mr King has in mind.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:31pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Beil[/bold] Baxter [/quote]
oops - that should be Neil, of course.
Wish they had a "preview" button on this forum
Beil Baxter
oops - that should be Neil, of course.
Wish they had a "preview" button on this forum
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:44pm Thu 13 Mar 08
What I want to know is [bold]WHY[/bold] are Glasgow City Council even contemplating doing business with this company again after the GPO fiasco, which has seen the iconic George Square building rot for over 12 years and led to this letter from Ian Manson, depute director of the council's development and regeneration services, to Mr King in late 2004:
[quote]"You will appreciate that some considerable time has now elapsed since these matters were first brought to your attention ... In view of this, if I do not hear from you by Monday January 10, 2005, with a positive programme of action to attend to the work, it is only fair to inform you that this council will have to consider resorting to [bold]statutory action under the terms of the Planning Acts[/bold] to achieve this end."[/quote]
What I want to know is
WHY are Glasgow City Council even contemplating doing business with this company again after the GPO fiasco, which has seen the iconic George Square building rot for over 12 years and led to this letter from Ian Manson, depute director of the council's development and regeneration services, to Mr King in late 2004:
"You will appreciate that some considerable time has now elapsed since these matters were first brought to your attention ... In view of this, if I do not hear from you by Monday January 10, 2005, with a positive programme of action to attend to the work, it is only fair to inform you that this council will have to consider resorting to statutory action under the terms of the Planning Acts to achieve this end."
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:54pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote]What I want to know is WHY are Glasgow City Council even contemplating doing business with this company again after the GPO fiasco, [/quote]
An awful lot of pople are wondering that Sydney, but no answers are forthcoming.....
What I want to know is WHY are Glasgow City Council even contemplating doing business with this company again after the GPO fiasco,
An awful lot of pople are wondering that Sydney, but no answers are forthcoming.....
Posted by: Jules, EK on 4:18pm Thu 13 Mar 08
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Posted by: Buffalo Bill, fae Maryhill on 5:00pm Thu 13 Mar 08
The development is not ideal but a far sight better than the existing "black hole".
If Save our Botanics were so concerned why don't they come up with their own proposals and money to develop the site?
The development is not ideal but a far sight better than the existing "black hole".
If Save our Botanics were so concerned why don't they come up with their own proposals and money to develop the site?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:40pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Buffalo Bill[/bold] wrote:
The development is not ideal but a far sight better than the existing "black hole". If Save our Botanics were so concerned why don't they come up with their own proposals and money to develop the site?[/quote]
Try fundraising on a shoestring budget in an area full of apathetic, and self centred people, with busy lifes.
The "Save Pollok Park" Campaign has far more backers - because the people who live in areas less well off than the wealthy West End have far higher levels of anger, passion, commitement to their cause and willingness to unite to fight the city councils intentions.
The "Save Our Botanics" Campaign - just doesn't have the same level of support, publicity and unfortunately financial backing.
Otherwise the option of putting in alternative proposals - and a far more people friendly idea funded and run by the community would be ideal, and wonderful.
Maybe some more linking up between campaign groups is badly needed - as i.e The "Save Govanhill Baths" group has ben running for 9 years - and is putting in an application for two million pounds to the lottery. As well as Another seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds from Scottish Natural Heritage.
Its all simply a matter of knowing where to go for the grants and linking up together to share ideas and find solutions.
But - this "Cross Glasgow Alliance" of city campaign groups to campaign for better governance, cannot simply be an idea any longer.
The sooner it is implemented, and embraced by all groups accross the city the more power the public voice will have.
Buffalo Bill wrote:
The development is not ideal but a far sight better than the existing "black hole". If Save our Botanics were so concerned why don't they come up with their own proposals and money to develop the site?
Try fundraising on a shoestring budget in an area full of apathetic, and self centred people, with busy lifes.
The "Save Pollok Park" Campaign has far more backers - because the people who live in areas less well off than the wealthy West End have far higher levels of anger, passion, commitement to their cause and willingness to unite to fight the city councils intentions.
The "Save Our Botanics" Campaign - just doesn't have the same level of support, publicity and unfortunately financial backing.
Otherwise the option of putting in alternative proposals - and a far more people friendly idea funded and run by the community would be ideal, and wonderful.
Maybe some more linking up between campaign groups is badly needed - as i.e The "Save Govanhill Baths" group has ben running for 9 years - and is putting in an application for two million pounds to the lottery. As well as Another seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds from Scottish Natural Heritage.
Its all simply a matter of knowing where to go for the grants and linking up together to share ideas and find solutions.
But - this "Cross Glasgow Alliance" of city campaign groups to campaign for better governance, cannot simply be an idea any longer.
The sooner it is implemented, and embraced by all groups accross the city the more power the public voice will have.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 6:38pm Thu 13 Mar 08
This scheme will not improve the Botanics. The Botanics is a well used family park and attracts scores of tourists regularly. Yes, it would be nice to have a cafe contained within an area of the park and yes that part of the park seems suitable. however the area is not a dump and could easily be left as is despite what some comments above indicate. I use the park every week and it is not an eye sore. What will be an eysore is a toy train feature and a bar / nightclub. There is no demand for this in the area. A cafe would be good but it must be done in sympathy with the surroundings and not be done on a lease basis to a private entity. Better to keep the profits in teh park's dept and invest teh profits back into all teh parks of Glasgow. perhaps one day they may even get round to renovating the glass house in Springburn which is a national disgrace.
As for the Govanhill pool. Whilst residing in Govanhill I took part in the protests and it was inspirational to see the commitment of more than a few people. This is also the case in the Westend and people of all social levels are involved in this campaign and also in the Stop tesco campaign. The people on here who claim we're all rich clearly do not know the social mix in the area and are more interested in trying to cause division within the city.
This scheme will not improve the Botanics. The Botanics is a well used family park and attracts scores of tourists regularly. Yes, it would be nice to have a cafe contained within an area of the park and yes that part of the park seems suitable. however the area is not a dump and could easily be left as is despite what some comments above indicate. I use the park every week and it is not an eye sore. What will be an eysore is a toy train feature and a bar / nightclub. There is no demand for this in the area. A cafe would be good but it must be done in sympathy with the surroundings and not be done on a lease basis to a private entity. Better to keep the profits in teh park's dept and invest teh profits back into all teh parks of Glasgow. perhaps one day they may even get round to renovating the glass house in Springburn which is a national disgrace.
As for the Govanhill pool. Whilst residing in Govanhill I took part in the protests and it was inspirational to see the commitment of more than a few people. This is also the case in the Westend and people of all social levels are involved in this campaign and also in the Stop tesco campaign. The people on here who claim we're all rich clearly do not know the social mix in the area and are more interested in trying to cause division within the city.
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 7:12pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote:
http://zeitgeistmovi e.com/ Religion = Control Free yourself with the TRUTH[/quote] Any relation to "Holy Wullie"?
Jules wrote:
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Any relation to "Holy Wullie"?
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 7:29pm Thu 13 Mar 08
The usual few objectors who like the sound of their own voice. The same mob that don't want go Ape because everything must be the same. The Labour Council attempts to improve areas are held back by these stick in the muds nationalists.
The usual few objectors who like the sound of their own voice. The same mob that don't want go Ape because everything must be the same. The Labour Council attempts to improve areas are held back by these stick in the muds nationalists.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:31pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Eh:
[quote]As for the Govanhill pool. Whilst residing in Govanhill I took part in the protests and it was inspirational to see the commitment of more than a few people. This is also the case in the Westend and people of all social levels are involved in this campaign and also in the Stop tesco campaign. The people on here who claim we're all rich clearly do not know the social mix in the area and are more interested in trying to cause division within the city.[/quote]
Glad to hear you found the Govanhill Pool Group meetings as inspirational as I have done!
I'm sure nobody is trying to cause any kind of division within the city - that would involve far too much effort for those busy, and hard working people of society.
Those who are causing divide tend to be the football contingents at opposite ends of the cities, as well as the more obvious bigots and racist lot - who come on here to stir things up from time to time.
But - the point I make is simply that not all people of the higher salary brackets are quite as determined or into the placard waving, scowling, demonstative ways of the more hardy working class in society who have lived though harder times.
The example being those who had never been to a demonstration at the "Save Pollok Park" demo outside the City Chambers.
Many of whom openly admitted it was their first time. They were better spoken, and to be honest far more ignorant of the complexities of understanding how to manipulate the media - the way they manipulate us.
Standing with angry slogans on their placards - whilst smiling happily was a contradiction glaringly obvious to any journalist.
I had to tell them to wipe the smiles off their faces, and remember they were protesting.
So - clearly - there are things people need to know when they are protesting, campaigning, or demonstrating - and smiling for the camera is a definate NO NO!
Eh:
As for the Govanhill pool. Whilst residing in Govanhill I took part in the protests and it was inspirational to see the commitment of more than a few people. This is also the case in the Westend and people of all social levels are involved in this campaign and also in the Stop tesco campaign. The people on here who claim we're all rich clearly do not know the social mix in the area and are more interested in trying to cause division within the city.
Glad to hear you found the Govanhill Pool Group meetings as inspirational as I have done!
I'm sure nobody is trying to cause any kind of division within the city - that would involve far too much effort for those busy, and hard working people of society.
Those who are causing divide tend to be the football contingents at opposite ends of the cities, as well as the more obvious bigots and racist lot - who come on here to stir things up from time to time.
But - the point I make is simply that not all people of the higher salary brackets are quite as determined or into the placard waving, scowling, demonstative ways of the more hardy working class in society who have lived though harder times.
The example being those who had never been to a demonstration at the "Save Pollok Park" demo outside the City Chambers.
Many of whom openly admitted it was their first time. They were better spoken, and to be honest far more ignorant of the complexities of understanding how to manipulate the media - the way they manipulate us.
Standing with angry slogans on their placards - whilst smiling happily was a contradiction glaringly obvious to any journalist.
I had to tell them to wipe the smiles off their faces, and remember they were protesting.
So - clearly - there are things people need to know when they are protesting, campaigning, or demonstrating - and smiling for the camera is a definate NO NO!
Posted by: rocket, glasgow on 8:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
could somebody tell me if there ever was a cafe/pub at botanic gardens on great western rd side,think it was called something like,silver slipper????or did i dream it?
could somebody tell me if there ever was a cafe/pub at botanic gardens on great western rd side,think it was called something like,silver slipper????or did i dream it?
Posted by: Edward Deitch, Glasgow on 9:43pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I do not think that we realy need any more bars and clubs in the area, what about some thing for the local peaple ?
Are ther not enought drunks ?
Have the councellors tried walking down Byes road on a Friday or Saterday ?
I do not think that we realy need any more bars and clubs in the area, what about some thing for the local peaple ?
Are ther not enought drunks ?
Have the councellors tried walking down Byes road on a Friday or Saterday ?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:38pm Thu 13 Mar 08
What every area which has become potentially gentrified is a way of pulling the community together that doesn't involve partaking in drinking alcohol.
Many of Glasgows more social activities are going - being lost - ie Ten Pin Bowling Alleys - Finnieston & Clydebank both CLOSED!
Ice Rinks - St Enoch & Again the "Summit Centre in Finnieston - both closed!
So for gods sake why can't we see more recreational sports - passtimes brought back, instead of these stupid casinos. ( which are hardly child friendly, or a good influence for them!)
I'd like to see the West End have a Community Hub - like our librarys - community centres, and even Churches which hold classes, Byres Road and its surroundings needs a "Hub" - a base or some kind of place for people to come together.
Partick has "The Annexe" - all being that its privately run.
Byres Road may have "The Gathering" in Ruthven lane - but its a private - and more exclusive enterprise - and not all inclusive to all wage brackets!
As for if any councillors have walked the length of themselves - never mind walked down Byres Road on a Friday - Saturday night - some of them are a joke!
Only tonight a particular councillor Christopher Mason (Lib Dem) was raised at a meeting I attended - he still hasn't got any surgeries in his constituency - despite taking his wage, perks and expenses - payed by - guess who ? - Yes, you've got it - us naivetax payers.
So - lets not fool ourselves about some of our Councillors!
Keep the Botanics the way it is - a peaceful haven for people of all ages, abilities, cultures and creeds - not some greedy entrepreneur making a fast buck out of the booze swilling culture the West End is becoming.
What every area which has become potentially gentrified is a way of pulling the community together that doesn't involve partaking in drinking alcohol.
Many of Glasgows more social activities are going - being lost - ie Ten Pin Bowling Alleys - Finnieston & Clydebank both CLOSED!
Ice Rinks - St Enoch & Again the "Summit Centre in Finnieston - both closed!
So for gods sake why can't we see more recreational sports - passtimes brought back, instead of these stupid casinos. ( which are hardly child friendly, or a good influence for them!)
I'd like to see the West End have a Community Hub - like our librarys - community centres, and even Churches which hold classes, Byres Road and its surroundings needs a "Hub" - a base or some kind of place for people to come together.
Partick has "The Annexe" - all being that its privately run.
Byres Road may have "The Gathering" in Ruthven lane - but its a private - and more exclusive enterprise - and not all inclusive to all wage brackets!
As for if any councillors have walked the length of themselves - never mind walked down Byres Road on a Friday - Saturday night - some of them are a joke!
Only tonight a particular councillor Christopher Mason (Lib Dem) was raised at a meeting I attended - he still hasn't got any surgeries in his constituency - despite taking his wage, perks and expenses - payed by - guess who ? - Yes, you've got it - us naivetax payers.
So - lets not fool ourselves about some of our Councillors!
Keep the Botanics the way it is - a peaceful haven for people of all ages, abilities, cultures and creeds - not some greedy entrepreneur making a fast buck out of the booze swilling culture the West End is becoming.
Posted by: Emmy, Glasgow on 12:10am Fri 14 Mar 08
First of all, let me start by saying that I hope lots more than 1000 people turn up to the rally against G1 proposed building of a restaurant, cafe/bar and club in one of the city's best-loved green spaces.
For people who love the beauty of the Botanic Gardens - and that includes the overgrown bits and the slightly shoddy bits (adds character) - it would be a travesty if such a develpment were to be given approval.
Another nightclub is NOT NEEDED in the West End and definitely NOT in the Botanic Gardens.
Can you imagine the mess and noise that would be made by drunken idiots when on their way there or home? And they wouldn't just be to the area around the proposed development. And what about the cost of cleaning up said mess in order to have the Gardens decent for people in the daytime - [bold]you wouldn't see Stefan King out with buckets, brushes, shovels, disinfectant, etc to clean it up, would you?[/bold]
It would be highly likely that some drunken idiot would think it was [italic][bold]'funny'[/bold][/italic] whilst on his meanderings to lob some object through the panes of glass in the Kibble Palace.
And think of the other [bold]FOUL DEEDS[/bold] that the drunken revellers would get up to in the Gardens.
Surely the Gardens are for the pleasure of the public -[bold] not another opportunity for profiteers to line their pockets.[/bold]
By all means, that untidy, shoddy looking part of the Gardens could be tidied up and made a bit more presentable, but without losing any of the charcter and integrity of the area.
At present the Botanic Gardens are shut at night-time - do you not think that this is for a very good reason? - [italic]i.e.[/italic] to keep undesirables out and to, hopefully, prevent any damage to the wonderful artefacts within.
Finally, the Gardens are for the pleasure and enjoyment of responsible members of the public, and, in my opinion, should [bold]NOT[/bold] be used to house a nightclub which, ultimately, is only really as a means for Stefan King to line his pockets.
[bold]The Botanic Gardens are for recreation[/bold] [bold] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[/bold] [bold]NOT TO WRECK CREATION.[/bold]
I am looking forward to attending and taking part in the "Stake Your Claim" rally at the Botanic Gardens at 2pm on Sunday, March 30 - make a note and put it on your calendar.
First of all, let me start by saying that I hope lots more than 1000 people turn up to the rally against G1 proposed building of a restaurant, cafe/bar and club in one of the city's best-loved green spaces.
For people who love the beauty of the Botanic Gardens - and that includes the overgrown bits and the slightly shoddy bits (adds character) - it would be a travesty if such a develpment were to be given approval.
Another nightclub is NOT NEEDED in the West End and definitely NOT in the Botanic Gardens.
Can you imagine the mess and noise that would be made by drunken idiots when on their way there or home? And they wouldn't just be to the area around the proposed development. And what about the cost of cleaning up said mess in order to have the Gardens decent for people in the daytime -
you wouldn't see Stefan King out with buckets, brushes, shovels, disinfectant, etc to clean it up, would you?
It would be highly likely that some drunken idiot would think it was
'funny' whilst on his meanderings to lob some object through the panes of glass in the Kibble Palace.
And think of the other
FOUL DEEDS that the drunken revellers would get up to in the Gardens.
Surely the Gardens are for the pleasure of the public -
not another opportunity for profiteers to line their pockets.
By all means, that untidy, shoddy looking part of the Gardens could be tidied up and made a bit more presentable, but without losing any of the charcter and integrity of the area.
At present the Botanic Gardens are shut at night-time - do you not think that this is for a very good reason? -
i.e. to keep undesirables out and to, hopefully, prevent any damage to the wonderful artefacts within.
Finally, the Gardens are for the pleasure and enjoyment of responsible members of the public, and, in my opinion, should
NOT be used to house a nightclub which, ultimately, is only really as a means for Stefan King to line his pockets.
The Botanic Gardens are for recreation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NOT TO WRECK CREATION.
I am looking forward to attending and taking part in the "Stake Your Claim" rally at the Botanic Gardens at 2pm on Sunday, March 30 - make a note and put it on your calendar.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 10:29am Fri 14 Mar 08
FOUL DEEDS?
Posted by: gordyboy, glasgow on 3:01pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Mr king shall get his way as always, he seems to have the council in his back pocket ( has mr purcell got free membership to the polo lounge ?? )
Mr king shall get his way as always, he seems to have the council in his back pocket ( has mr purcell got free membership to the polo lounge ?? )
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:33pm Fri 14 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gordyboy[/bold] wrote:
Mr king shall get his way as always, he seems to have the council in his back pocket ( has mr purcell got free membership to the polo lounge ?? )[/quote]
Sadly the power that alleged financial enticement, brown envelope scams, or any other bribery has for tycoons is far too high!
Honesty, openness, transparency, upfront consultations & information made available seems to be getting far more difficult for the Council to get a grasp of.
Those with money prepared to invest where the council has let parks fall to wreck and ruin is sadly getting all too familiar.
And as Emmy quite rightly put it : [italic][bold]you wouldn't see Stefan King out with buckets, brushes, shovels, disinfectant, etc to clean it up, would you?
[/bold] [/italic]
So - lets hope that 1,000 people is just the tip of the iceberg - and a moderate estimate - with far more showing up on the day!
Those opposed on this comments page through the past few months - must do their utmost to attend the [bold]"Stake Your Claim" rally at the park at 2pm on Sunday, March 30.
[/bold]
gordyboy wrote:
Mr king shall get his way as always, he seems to have the council in his back pocket ( has mr purcell got free membership to the polo lounge ?? )
Sadly the power that alleged financial enticement, brown envelope scams, or any other bribery has for tycoons is far too high!
Honesty, openness, transparency, upfront consultations & information made available seems to be getting far more difficult for the Council to get a grasp of.
Those with money prepared to invest where the council has let parks fall to wreck and ruin is sadly getting all too familiar.
And as Emmy quite rightly put it :
you wouldn't see Stefan King out with buckets, brushes, shovels, disinfectant, etc to clean it up, would you?
So - lets hope that 1,000 people is just the tip of the iceberg - and a moderate estimate - with far more showing up on the day!
Those opposed on this comments page through the past few months - must do their utmost to attend the
"Stake Your Claim" rally at the park at 2pm on Sunday, March 30.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 8:09pm Sat 15 Mar 08
G wean, save ur share holders the naw, and make the withdrawal. The East End with 2014 has plenty of room for a few new drinking establishments.
G wean, save ur share holders the naw, and make the withdrawal. The East End with 2014 has plenty of room for a few new drinking establishments.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:11pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
The usual few objectors who like the sound of their own voice. The same mob that don't want go Ape because everything must be the same. The Labour Council attempts to improve areas are held back by these stick in the muds nationalists. [/quote]
See your spouting the usual labourite tripe Frank!
Ever believe in having your own opinion, instead of being a mouthpiece for these labour councillors ?
As plenty of folk have said contless times before - it is the principle that counts here, as much as the objections on reasonable grounds.
When G.C.C. can be efficient in their consultation process from the start - whether its "Go Ape!" or "Stefan King / G1!" then maybe decent minded - caring people wouldn't need to get so riled - and form Campaign groups.
Until such time, unfortunately there will be those who choose to sit on the fence, or act like another sheep following the flock - i.e labour cronies.
Or the decent minded, passionate people who are prepared to fight for their rights and highlight the wrongdoings of our city Council.
Thank goodness for democracy - however diluted down the publics say has become - as the alternatives of riots, uprisings, and revolts as we've seen in China, and other parts of the world doesn't bear thinking about!
Frank wrote:
The usual few objectors who like the sound of their own voice. The same mob that don't want go Ape because everything must be the same. The Labour Council attempts to improve areas are held back by these stick in the muds nationalists.
See your spouting the usual labourite tripe Frank!
Ever believe in having your own opinion, instead of being a mouthpiece for these labour councillors ?
As plenty of folk have said contless times before - it is the principle that counts here, as much as the objections on reasonable grounds.
When G.C.C. can be efficient in their consultation process from the start - whether its "Go Ape!" or "Stefan King / G1!" then maybe decent minded - caring people wouldn't need to get so riled - and form Campaign groups.
Until such time, unfortunately there will be those who choose to sit on the fence, or act like another sheep following the flock - i.e labour cronies.
Or the decent minded, passionate people who are prepared to fight for their rights and highlight the wrongdoings of our city Council.
Thank goodness for democracy - however diluted down the publics say has become - as the alternatives of riots, uprisings, and revolts as we've seen in China, and other parts of the world doesn't bear thinking about!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 10:37am Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Emmy[/bold] wrote:
First of all, let me start by saying that I hope lots more than 1000 people turn up to the rally against G1 proposed building of a restaurant, cafe/bar and club in one of the city's best-loved green spaces. For people who love the beauty of the Botanic Gardens - and that includes the overgrown bits and the slightly shoddy bits (adds character) - it would be a travesty if such a develpment were to be given approval. Another nightclub is NOT NEEDED in the West End and definitely NOT in the Botanic Gardens. Can you imagine the mess and noise that would be made by drunken idiots when on their way there or home? And they wouldn't just be to the area around the proposed development. And what about the cost of cleaning up said mess in order to have the Gardens decent for people in the daytime - [bold]you wouldn't see Stefan King out with buckets, brushes, shovels, disinfectant, etc to clean it up, would you?[/bold] It would be highly likely that some drunken idiot would think it was [italic][bold]'funny'[/bold][/italic] whilst on his meanderings to lob some object through the panes of glass in the Kibble Palace. And think of the other [bold]FOUL DEEDS[/bold] that the drunken revellers would get up to in the Gardens. Surely the Gardens are for the pleasure of the public -[bold] not another opportunity for profiteers to line their pockets.[/bold] By all means, that untidy, shoddy looking part of the Gardens could be tidied up and made a bit more presentable, but without losing any of the charcter and integrity of the area. At present the Botanic Gardens are shut at night-time - do you not think that this is for a very good reason? - [italic]i.e.[/italic] to keep undesirables out and to, hopefully, prevent any damage to the wonderful artefacts within. Finally, the Gardens are for the pleasure and enjoyment of responsible members of the public, and, in my opinion, should [bold]NOT[/bold] be used to house a nightclub which, ultimately, is only really as a means for Stefan King to line his pockets. [bold]The Botanic Gardens are for recreation[/bold] [bold] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[/bold] [bold]NOT TO WRECK CREATION.[/bold] I am looking forward to attending and taking part in the "Stake Your Claim" rally at the Botanic Gardens at 2pm on Sunday, March 30 - make a note and put it on your calendar. [/quote] Still interested in hearing what these [bold]"FOUL DEEDS"[/bold] are.
Emmy wrote:
First of all, let me start by saying that I hope lots more than 1000 people turn up to the rally against G1 proposed building of a restaurant, cafe/bar and club in one of the city's best-loved green spaces. For people who love the beauty of the Botanic Gardens - and that includes the overgrown bits and the slightly shoddy bits (adds character) - it would be a travesty if such a develpment were to be given approval. Another nightclub is NOT NEEDED in the West End and definitely NOT in the Botanic Gardens. Can you imagine the mess and noise that would be made by drunken idiots when on their way there or home? And they wouldn't just be to the area around the proposed development. And what about the cost of cleaning up said mess in order to have the Gardens decent for people in the daytime - you wouldn't see Stefan King out with buckets, brushes, shovels, disinfectant, etc to clean it up, would you? It would be highly likely that some drunken idiot would think it was 'funny' whilst on his meanderings to lob some object through the panes of glass in the Kibble Palace. And think of the other FOUL DEEDS that the drunken revellers would get up to in the Gardens. Surely the Gardens are for the pleasure of the public - not another opportunity for profiteers to line their pockets. By all means, that untidy, shoddy looking part of the Gardens could be tidied up and made a bit more presentable, but without losing any of the charcter and integrity of the area. At present the Botanic Gardens are shut at night-time - do you not think that this is for a very good reason? - i.e. to keep undesirables out and to, hopefully, prevent any damage to the wonderful artefacts within. Finally, the Gardens are for the pleasure and enjoyment of responsible members of the public, and, in my opinion, should NOT be used to house a nightclub which, ultimately, is only really as a means for Stefan King to line his pockets. The Botanic Gardens are for recreation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NOT TO WRECK CREATION. I am looking forward to attending and taking part in the "Stake Your Claim" rally at the Botanic Gardens at 2pm on Sunday, March 30 - make a note and put it on your calendar.
Still interested in hearing what these
"FOUL DEEDS" are.
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