Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 11:07am Thu 20 Mar 08
Why just the subway? SPT overground trains need to run past the (weekends only on most routes) approx. midnight/00.30 last 'late night' journeys!
Why just the subway? SPT overground trains need to run past the (weekends only on most routes) approx. midnight/00.30 last 'late night' journeys!
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 11:45am Thu 20 Mar 08
I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs !
I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs !
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:57am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs ![/quote] Aye, but the bigwigs at SPT had Warned the public to start using it, like it was some threat for the alternative would be sweet FA as it is likely to end up being.
4th biggest city eh? Just shows we have slid down the ranks, with more people leaving Glasgow, we will eventually slump into 5th or 6th place.
This place is so backwards, it would take a monumental achievement to start moving forwards but nobody in control has any direction for the city or its people. It is made up as they go along - we're well screwed.
All that is being spouted is Commonwealth Games, Commonwealth Games - well well Purcell, and what happens after these games? Does anybody have a vision of what Glasgow will be (apart from being an architectural disaster) in the year 2050?
Big Al wrote:
I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs !
Aye, but the bigwigs at SPT had Warned the public to start using it, like it was some threat for the alternative would be sweet FA as it is likely to end up being.
4th biggest city eh? Just shows we have slid down the ranks, with more people leaving Glasgow, we will eventually slump into 5th or 6th place.
This place is so backwards, it would take a monumental achievement to start moving forwards but nobody in control has any direction for the city or its people. It is made up as they go along - we're well screwed.
All that is being spouted is Commonwealth Games, Commonwealth Games - well well Purcell, and what happens after these games? Does anybody have a vision of what Glasgow will be (apart from being an architectural disaster) in the year 2050?
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 12:10pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs ![/quote] Aye, but the bigwigs at SPT had Warned the public to start using it, like it was some threat for the alternative would be sweet FA as it is likely to end up being. 4th biggest city eh? Just shows we have slid down the ranks, with more people leaving Glasgow, we will eventually slump into 5th or 6th place. This place is so backwards, it would take a monumental achievement to start moving forwards but nobody in control has any direction for the city or its people. It is made up as they go along - we're well screwed. All that is being spouted is Commonwealth Games, Commonwealth Games - well well Purcell, and what happens after these games? Does anybody have a vision of what Glasgow will be (apart from being an architectural disaster) in the year 2050?[/quote] So basically thats like going into a fruiterers for an apple and being told "Take an orange or else!". I don't want an orange, I want an apple, the whole thing's bananas !
The Missing City wrote:
Big Al wrote: I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs !
Aye, but the bigwigs at SPT had Warned the public to start using it, like it was some threat for the alternative would be sweet FA as it is likely to end up being. 4th biggest city eh? Just shows we have slid down the ranks, with more people leaving Glasgow, we will eventually slump into 5th or 6th place. This place is so backwards, it would take a monumental achievement to start moving forwards but nobody in control has any direction for the city or its people. It is made up as they go along - we're well screwed. All that is being spouted is Commonwealth Games, Commonwealth Games - well well Purcell, and what happens after these games? Does anybody have a vision of what Glasgow will be (apart from being an architectural disaster) in the year 2050?
So basically thats like going into a fruiterers for an apple and being told "Take an orange or else!". I don't want an orange, I want an apple, the whole thing's bananas !
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:21pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote: I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs ![/quote] Aye, but the bigwigs at SPT had Warned the public to start using it, like it was some threat for the alternative would be sweet FA as it is likely to end up being. 4th biggest city eh? Just shows we have slid down the ranks, with more people leaving Glasgow, we will eventually slump into 5th or 6th place. This place is so backwards, it would take a monumental achievement to start moving forwards but nobody in control has any direction for the city or its people. It is made up as they go along - we're well screwed. All that is being spouted is Commonwealth Games, Commonwealth Games - well well Purcell, and what happens after these games? Does anybody have a vision of what Glasgow will be (apart from being an architectural disaster) in the year 2050?[/quote] So basically thats like going into a fruiterers for an apple and being told "Take an orange or else!". I don't want an orange, I want an apple, the whole thing's bananas ! [/quote] I SAY!! Yes Al - Banana Fruitcake! HO HO HO HO HO!
Big Al wrote:
The Missing City wrote: Big Al wrote: I'm not surprised the 'nightrider' scheme has failed to take off. What's the point exactly of replicating a subway service with a bus, when what people want is the subway to open later...? A complete no brainer to me, 'Nightrider' is a complete load of Hassellhoffs !
Aye, but the bigwigs at SPT had Warned the public to start using it, like it was some threat for the alternative would be sweet FA as it is likely to end up being. 4th biggest city eh? Just shows we have slid down the ranks, with more people leaving Glasgow, we will eventually slump into 5th or 6th place. This place is so backwards, it would take a monumental achievement to start moving forwards but nobody in control has any direction for the city or its people. It is made up as they go along - we're well screwed. All that is being spouted is Commonwealth Games, Commonwealth Games - well well Purcell, and what happens after these games? Does anybody have a vision of what Glasgow will be (apart from being an architectural disaster) in the year 2050?
So basically thats like going into a fruiterers for an apple and being told "Take an orange or else!". I don't want an orange, I want an apple, the whole thing's bananas !
I SAY!! Yes Al - Banana Fruitcake! HO HO HO HO HO!
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 12:23pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Yes indeed, messrs Purcell & Watson make a fine pear !
Yes indeed, messrs Purcell & Watson make a fine pear !
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:26pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Glasgow should go ahead with trams like edinburgh time to close subway .Its run by bad attitudes toward paying public and lazy staff.Get rid of them.Theres little old edinburgh getting a tramline it doesnt want or need,maybe Glasgow should get a devolved council!
Glasgow should go ahead with trams like edinburgh time to close subway .Its run by bad attitudes toward paying public and lazy staff.Get rid of them.Theres little old edinburgh getting a tramline it doesnt want or need,maybe Glasgow should get a devolved council!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:32pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
Glasgow should go ahead with trams like edinburgh time to close subway .Its run by bad attitudes toward paying public and lazy staff.Get rid of them.Theres little old edinburgh getting a tramline it doesnt want or need,maybe Glasgow should get a devolved council![/quote] Jim, close the subway and you have massive problems - thousands of people use it every day (Buchanan St station is chockers, what would you do with these people?
How would you get them to where they want to go? (Which is the West End) The City Centre is pedestrianised with the tree huggers wanting a complete ban on all moving vehicles in the city (economic suicide) so really, if it wasn't for the forward thinking Victorians, we really would be stuck up a gum tree - its just a shame that nobody has been as forward thinking as them since!
jim wrote:
Glasgow should go ahead with trams like edinburgh time to close subway .Its run by bad attitudes toward paying public and lazy staff.Get rid of them.Theres little old edinburgh getting a tramline it doesnt want or need,maybe Glasgow should get a devolved council!
Jim, close the subway and you have massive problems - thousands of people use it every day (Buchanan St station is chockers, what would you do with these people?
How would you get them to where they want to go? (Which is the West End) The City Centre is pedestrianised with the tree huggers wanting a complete ban on all moving vehicles in the city (economic suicide) so really, if it wasn't for the forward thinking Victorians, we really would be stuck up a gum tree - its just a shame that nobody has been as forward thinking as them since!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:33pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote: Glasgow should go ahead with trams like edinburgh time to close subway .Its run by bad attitudes toward paying public and lazy staff.Get rid of them.Theres little old edinburgh getting a tramline it doesnt want or need,maybe Glasgow should get a devolved council![/quote] Jim, close the subway and you have massive problems - thousands of people use it every day (Buchanan St station is chockers, what would you do with these people? How would you get them to where they want to go? (Which is the West End) The City Centre is pedestrianised with the tree huggers wanting a complete ban on all moving vehicles in the city (economic suicide) so really, if it wasn't for the forward thinking Victorians, we really would be stuck up a gum tree - its just a shame that nobody has been as forward thinking as them since![/quote] [bold]That in itself is a massive embarrassment![/bold]
The Missing City wrote:
jim wrote: Glasgow should go ahead with trams like edinburgh time to close subway .Its run by bad attitudes toward paying public and lazy staff.Get rid of them.Theres little old edinburgh getting a tramline it doesnt want or need,maybe Glasgow should get a devolved council!
Jim, close the subway and you have massive problems - thousands of people use it every day (Buchanan St station is chockers, what would you do with these people? How would you get them to where they want to go? (Which is the West End) The City Centre is pedestrianised with the tree huggers wanting a complete ban on all moving vehicles in the city (economic suicide) so really, if it wasn't for the forward thinking Victorians, we really would be stuck up a gum tree - its just a shame that nobody has been as forward thinking as them since!
That in itself is a massive embarrassment! Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:38pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines!
Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines!
Posted by: CM, Whiteinch on 12:45pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]Crews spend almost five hours every day carrying out essential routine and safety work during the night.[/quote]
What do they actually do? Can they not do it one half at a time? i.e. Keep the Inner Circle running whilst they check the Outer, and then vice-versa? It would make sense to keep it running.
Crews spend almost five hours every day carrying out essential routine and safety work during the night.
What do they actually do? Can they not do it one half at a time? i.e. Keep the Inner Circle running whilst they check the Outer, and then vice-versa? It would make sense to keep it running.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:46pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines![/quote] Jim - you've heard me on here before and you know that I know that It's a city wide thing - I'm only going by your quote suggesting its time to close the subway.
Its mental to think that these tunnels (which engineers have told us are structurally sound) were closed in the first place - sure we are the capital city of Europe when it comes to being backwards, but those in control years ago must have realised or known what they were doing and what the implications of ther crazy actions were likey to produce - the chaos and disorder we see today!
jim wrote:
Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines!
Jim - you've heard me on here before and you know that I know that It's a city wide thing - I'm only going by your quote suggesting its time to close the subway.
Its mental to think that these tunnels (which engineers have told us are structurally sound) were closed in the first place - sure we are the capital city of Europe when it comes to being backwards, but those in control years ago must have realised or known what they were doing and what the implications of ther crazy actions were likey to produce - the chaos and disorder we see today!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:50pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines![/quote] And come on Jim - Pete might come on and say that you're being racist towards those who are part of Glasgow's 'Nirvana'. There's plenty of fings to do up West me ol china plate - Yeah!
There u go, I've even supplied a bit of Eastenders for amusement purposes!
jim wrote:
Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines!
And come on Jim - Pete might come on and say that you're being racist towards those who are part of Glasgow's 'Nirvana'. There's plenty of fings to do up West me ol china plate - Yeah!
There u go, I've even supplied a bit of Eastenders for amusement purposes!
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:58pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Ill pass on that thanks ,Want to see 50 :)
Ill pass on that thanks ,Want to see 50 :)
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:31pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
Ill pass on that thanks ,Want to see 50 :)[/quote] 1 Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum
2 Glasgow University
3 Museum of Transport
4 AMF Bowling
5 Balmore Golf Club
6 Cathedral of St Luke
7 Fossil Grove, Victoria Park
8 Kelvingrove Park
9 Tall Ship at Glasgow Harbour
10 North Woodside Baths
11 West End Festival
12 Mitchell Library
13 Botanic Gardens and Kibble Palace
14 Hunterian Art Gallery and Museum
15 Underground Gallery
16 Ideal Home Show Scotland
17 Scottish Exhibition & Conference Centre
Of course Jim there's a load of Antiquarian Bookshops were you can even pick up a copy of the History of Glasgow - 3 volumes and published in 1840, going for £90. There are also numerous restaurants and places to have a nice drink as well - that could indeed take it up to 50!
Hopefully you'll have a good time next time your up there - co-incidentally can I ask if the East End is this culturally enriched? Or was it the fact that it could have been but it was felt by authoritarians that housing schemes was the best thing for the east end? - Oh the mistakes of long ago, such is the slander from East versus West!
jim wrote:
Ill pass on that thanks ,Want to see 50 :)
1 Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum
2 Glasgow University
3 Museum of Transport
4 AMF Bowling
5 Balmore Golf Club
6 Cathedral of St Luke
7 Fossil Grove, Victoria Park
8 Kelvingrove Park
9 Tall Ship at Glasgow Harbour
10 North Woodside Baths
11 West End Festival
12 Mitchell Library
13 Botanic Gardens and Kibble Palace
14 Hunterian Art Gallery and Museum
15 Underground Gallery
16 Ideal Home Show Scotland
17 Scottish Exhibition & Conference Centre
Of course Jim there's a load of Antiquarian Bookshops were you can even pick up a copy of the History of Glasgow - 3 volumes and published in 1840, going for £90. There are also numerous restaurants and places to have a nice drink as well - that could indeed take it up to 50!
Hopefully you'll have a good time next time your up there - co-incidentally can I ask if the East End is this culturally enriched? Or was it the fact that it could have been but it was felt by authoritarians that housing schemes was the best thing for the east end? - Oh the mistakes of long ago, such is the slander from East versus West!
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 1:33pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Automate the subway & sack the staff starting with Watson. Automated trains can work round the clock, they aren't rude and they'll run on time. Can't be that difficult, it's not exactly a complex track system.
Automate the subway & sack the staff starting with Watson. Automated trains can work round the clock, they aren't rude and they'll run on time. Can't be that difficult, it's not exactly a complex track system.
Posted by: ALAN ANDERSON, Glasgow on 1:37pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I am not surprised the Nightrider has been a failure. They would not accept subway tickets, FirstBus Season Tickets or Zonecards and also its limited in the area it covers.
Its time the hours of the subway operation was reviewed to meet the needs of passengers today
I noted in my local subway station this week that all fares are being increased from 1 April 2008 so time something is given back such as extnded hours.
I am not surprised the Nightrider has been a failure. They would not accept subway tickets, FirstBus Season Tickets or Zonecards and also its limited in the area it covers.
Its time the hours of the subway operation was reviewed to meet the needs of passengers today
I noted in my local subway station this week that all fares are being increased from 1 April 2008 so time something is given back such as extnded hours.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Ive neversaid i was from east end ,Im an outsider who has experienced both and East end wins hands down .Original Place of Univesity.And origins of Glasgow in East end,Theres no getting away from that !merchant City (New West end) And Dont need Subway, and all the Historic buildings etc etc etc .
Ive neversaid i was from east end ,Im an outsider who has experienced both and East end wins hands down .Original Place of Univesity.And origins of Glasgow in East end,Theres no getting away from that !merchant City (New West end) And Dont need Subway, and all the Historic buildings etc etc etc .
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:50pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Yes if you can get the Staff that will work longer hours thats fine,But the Subway really does need upgrading NOW.Or Dump it ,
Yes if you can get the Staff that will work longer hours thats fine,But the Subway really does need upgrading NOW.Or Dump it ,
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:55pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
Ive neversaid i was from east end ,Im an outsider who has experienced both and East end wins hands down .Original Place of Univesity.And origins of Glasgow in East end,Theres no getting away from that !merchant City (New West end) And Dont need Subway, and all the Historic buildings etc etc etc .[/quote] I was always under some impression that the Uinverisity on the High Street was actually part of central Glasgow - if that's the case then the Cathdedral is in the East End too - so you are telling the tourist bosses a thing or two, however, for marketing purposes, they will say Merchant City and all that p1sh - I agree and the East End people are nowhere near as stuck up their own anus as those you find in the West.
[quote]Dont need Subway, and all the Historic buildings etc etc etc .[/quote]
Without buildings you have no life and no life = no community, would rather see the east end as remaining desolate Jim? If so, then that is a sad outlook you have for the area that you feel proud of being a part of!
jim wrote:
Ive neversaid i was from east end ,Im an outsider who has experienced both and East end wins hands down .Original Place of Univesity.And origins of Glasgow in East end,Theres no getting away from that !merchant City (New West end) And Dont need Subway, and all the Historic buildings etc etc etc .
I was always under some impression that the Uinverisity on the High Street was actually part of central Glasgow - if that's the case then the Cathdedral is in the East End too - so you are telling the tourist bosses a thing or two, however, for marketing purposes, they will say Merchant City and all that p1sh - I agree and the East End people are nowhere near as stuck up their own anus as those you find in the West.
Dont need Subway, and all the Historic buildings etc etc etc .
Without buildings you have no life and no life = no community, would rather see the east end as remaining desolate Jim? If so, then that is a sad outlook you have for the area that you feel proud of being a part of!
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 2:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Im glad we both agree on something,Thanks,
Im glad we both agree on something,Thanks,
Posted by: Denis, Glasgow on 2:05pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Did anyone ever think of advertising the 'nightrider' scheme? First I've heard of it.
Did anyone ever think of advertising the 'nightrider' scheme? First I've heard of it.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 2:07pm Thu 20 Mar 08
A tenement is a tenement!End
A tenement is a tenement!End
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 2:37pm Thu 20 Mar 08
What about when the Nightrider bus needs maintenance. Will they send a horse and cart round the Subway route?
It's about time we got some proper public transport through the night rather than gimmicks like this and the stupid Nitezone system. If something isn't compatible with normal ticketing, runs at odd times and is inherently stupid, why would you expect anyone to use it?
Anyone affluent enough to live in Hillhead will get a taxi rather than a bus full of jakes, anyone in Govan probably doesn't want to go home via Cowcaddens! Stereotypes, perhaps, but probably not miles off the mark.
What about when the Nightrider bus needs maintenance. Will they send a horse and cart round the Subway route?
It's about time we got some proper public transport through the night rather than gimmicks like this and the stupid Nitezone system. If something isn't compatible with normal ticketing, runs at odd times and is inherently stupid, why would you expect anyone to use it?
Anyone affluent enough to live in Hillhead will get a taxi rather than a bus full of jakes, anyone in Govan probably doesn't want to go home via Cowcaddens! Stereotypes, perhaps, but probably not miles off the mark.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:44pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
A tenement is a tenement!End[/quote] Yes, you are correct but if all you have in an area is housing, obviously the place will not last very long. For that it doesn't matter what type of housing it is.
Unless you give people a decent area to live which includes the amenities, how are you supposed to expect that the thing will last, this is why schemes these days are being demolished adfter 20 or 30 years then spending masses of cash to do a regeneration job which is just to put another scheme in the place of the one which failed.
The East End needs more focus Jim, not new schemes to replace the one's that failed - that won't solve any problems, it will only serve as a contributor to existing problems and will assist in the development and growth of new problems - look at Easterhouse, torn down and rebuilt but the place is still radge because there's not a lot for anybody in some of the schemes that make up the area - not everybiody can get a job at the Fort so what else is there? Nothing as far as I can see - these people the furthest away from all that his happening in Glasgow, like it was meant to be the case that areas such as Easterhouse were to be socially excluded - period!
jim wrote:
A tenement is a tenement!End
Yes, you are correct but if all you have in an area is housing, obviously the place will not last very long. For that it doesn't matter what type of housing it is.
Unless you give people a decent area to live which includes the amenities, how are you supposed to expect that the thing will last, this is why schemes these days are being demolished adfter 20 or 30 years then spending masses of cash to do a regeneration job which is just to put another scheme in the place of the one which failed.
The East End needs more focus Jim, not new schemes to replace the one's that failed - that won't solve any problems, it will only serve as a contributor to existing problems and will assist in the development and growth of new problems - look at Easterhouse, torn down and rebuilt but the place is still radge because there's not a lot for anybody in some of the schemes that make up the area - not everybiody can get a job at the Fort so what else is there? Nothing as far as I can see - these people the furthest away from all that his happening in Glasgow, like it was meant to be the case that areas such as Easterhouse were to be socially excluded - period!
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, West End on 3:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Oh Dear God,
The city boasts the second oldest subway service (after London) and it's a wee circle round the town. Why can't we extend it out to the east and south of the city and let the bulk of Glasgow's population use it?
Newcastle has a fabulous metro system that takes in both sides of the river and all towns and villages within it, (Gateshead, Jarrow Hebburn, Wallsend, South and North Shields, etc' etc'). They used existing rail tracks to extend the Metro system and it is fabulous, plus, it has an overnight service!
So, is Glasgow not now in a par even with Newcastle? Do we have no visionaries left in power? Looks like it eh? We should have a Metro system second to none, but thanks (eh?) to our City fathers and planners, we have a wee circle runnin' roond the toon. As I said "Oh Dear God".
Oh Dear God,
The city boasts the second oldest subway service (after London) and it's a wee circle round the town. Why can't we extend it out to the east and south of the city and let the bulk of Glasgow's population use it?
Newcastle has a fabulous metro system that takes in both sides of the river and all towns and villages within it, (Gateshead, Jarrow Hebburn, Wallsend, South and North Shields, etc' etc'). They used existing rail tracks to extend the Metro system and it is fabulous, plus, it has an overnight service!
So, is Glasgow not now in a par even with Newcastle? Do we have no visionaries left in power? Looks like it eh? We should have a Metro system second to none, but thanks (eh?) to our City fathers and planners, we have a wee circle runnin' roond the toon. As I said "Oh Dear God".
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 3:19pm Thu 20 Mar 08
You see i look at The weat end in the very same way ,because it and like Annieland Hyndland etc have just the same problems if not worse than schemes,So what do we do about Hyndland etc ,We cant change the people,Jobs in fort are like jobs in woolworths or bank in Byres rd! Not everyone can work in them.
You see i look at The weat end in the very same way ,because it and like Annieland Hyndland etc have just the same problems if not worse than schemes,So what do we do about Hyndland etc ,We cant change the people,Jobs in fort are like jobs in woolworths or bank in Byres rd! Not everyone can work in them.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:41pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
You see i look at The weat end in the very same way ,because it and like Annieland Hyndland etc have just the same problems if not worse than schemes,So what do we do about Hyndland etc ,We cant change the people,Jobs in fort are like jobs in woolworths or bank in Byres rd! Not everyone can work in them. [/quote] True, but the prices of the propert on Clarence Drive, Hyndland Road - Queensborough and the like is well beyond the pockets of us normal Glaswegians so to call the area a scheme maybe is a bit cheeky considering that a lot of people in this area are working professionals in all the roles that people from the East End would perhaps, love to aspire to but can't because of the corrupt class system - also for the fact there was pockets of lovely property in the east end only to be demolished with the residents packed into housing aschemes was another contributing factor to the slide of the East End, can't be brought back because the council seem happy to keep these people penned in, unlike those in the WEst End, who can simply sell their lavish properties and move elsewhere.
Distinct differences Jim, to be honest I can't imagine somebody from Clarence Drive wishing to work in Woolworths, that would be considered a downturn in fortunes, for which the person would have to move out for not being able to afford their property or keep up with their mortgage, because like most high street traders, they pay their workers crap wages, yet make obscene profits at their expense!
jim wrote:
You see i look at The weat end in the very same way ,because it and like Annieland Hyndland etc have just the same problems if not worse than schemes,So what do we do about Hyndland etc ,We cant change the people,Jobs in fort are like jobs in woolworths or bank in Byres rd! Not everyone can work in them.
True, but the prices of the propert on Clarence Drive, Hyndland Road - Queensborough and the like is well beyond the pockets of us normal Glaswegians so to call the area a scheme maybe is a bit cheeky considering that a lot of people in this area are working professionals in all the roles that people from the East End would perhaps, love to aspire to but can't because of the corrupt class system - also for the fact there was pockets of lovely property in the east end only to be demolished with the residents packed into housing aschemes was another contributing factor to the slide of the East End, can't be brought back because the council seem happy to keep these people penned in, unlike those in the WEst End, who can simply sell their lavish properties and move elsewhere.
Distinct differences Jim, to be honest I can't imagine somebody from Clarence Drive wishing to work in Woolworths, that would be considered a downturn in fortunes, for which the person would have to move out for not being able to afford their property or keep up with their mortgage, because like most high street traders, they pay their workers crap wages, yet make obscene profits at their expense!
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:05pm Thu 20 Mar 08
SPT appear to be completely inept. I for one head out in Glasgow at the weekends and would definitely use the subway to get home / go to a party :) if it were operational. However, standing around outside waiting for a (nightrider) bus is not what people want at that time of night. Where do the buses leave from? What times do they leave? How often? Nah, too much hassle! Much easier to take a taxi and get delivered to the door of your destination.
Like a previous poster said - if they are running the buses, why are they not running the subway trains?
And yes can we please get the subway EXTENDED!
SPT appear to be completely inept. I for one head out in Glasgow at the weekends and would definitely use the subway to get home / go to a party :) if it were operational. However, standing around outside waiting for a (nightrider) bus is not what people want at that time of night. Where do the buses leave from? What times do they leave? How often? Nah, too much hassle! Much easier to take a taxi and get delivered to the door of your destination.
Like a previous poster said - if they are running the buses, why are they not running the subway trains?
And yes can we please get the subway EXTENDED!
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:44pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Exactly who runs the show at SPT - is it the 'bosses' or is it the train drivers and trade unions? How difficult can it be to extend the hours. Its a disgrace that they can't get the staff willing to work extra hours to provide this service.
Even if ticket prices for a journey on the nighttime service went up to £2/3, I think people would have no problems paying it. As Ian said, SPT appear to be completely inept. They've had months or years to find a workable solution and they are just coming up with more of the same excuses.
Exactly who runs the show at SPT - is it the 'bosses' or is it the train drivers and trade unions? How difficult can it be to extend the hours. Its a disgrace that they can't get the staff willing to work extra hours to provide this service.
Even if ticket prices for a journey on the nighttime service went up to £2/3, I think people would have no problems paying it. As Ian said, SPT appear to be completely inept. They've had months or years to find a workable solution and they are just coming up with more of the same excuses.
Posted by: GerryMacg, Linthouse on 5:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Er, read the first sentence, everyone: "pledged to look again". In other words, the standard SPT evasion tactic employed whenever the heat of public opinion is felt: unleash more waffle which will come to nothing.
The travelling public have had more SPT studies, surveys, plans, feasibilities, pilots, fact-finding missions, artist's impressions and consultants' reports than we can possibly stomach.
And what's the result?
- Partick station a bombsite for years.
- The Subway unextended for well over a century.
- No extension of electrification to Sprinterised suburban routes.
- No light rail.
- No European-style integrated ticketing.
- No regulation of bus services.
- No Crossrail.
- Disused lines all over the city ignored and neglected, or worse still, built upon and lost forever.
Instead of "Joining Up Journeys", shouldn't SPT change its advertising slogan to the snappier "Just Go Away"?
Er, read the first sentence, everyone: "pledged to look again". In other words, the standard SPT evasion tactic employed whenever the heat of public opinion is felt: unleash more waffle which will come to nothing.
The travelling public have had more SPT studies, surveys, plans, feasibilities, pilots, fact-finding missions, artist's impressions and consultants' reports than we can possibly stomach.
And what's the result?
- Partick station a bombsite for years.
- The Subway unextended for well over a century.
- No extension of electrification to Sprinterised suburban routes.
- No light rail.
- No European-style integrated ticketing.
- No regulation of bus services.
- No Crossrail.
- Disused lines all over the city ignored and neglected, or worse still, built upon and lost forever.
Instead of "Joining Up Journeys", shouldn't SPT change its advertising slogan to the snappier "Just Go Away"?
Posted by: JC, Renfrewshire on 6:49pm Thu 20 Mar 08
The lazy louts of the subway won't like this! Unless their greasy palms are getting rubbed with lucre!
The lazy louts of the subway won't like this! Unless their greasy palms are getting rubbed with lucre!
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 6:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ronnie Cee[/bold] wrote:
Oh Dear God, The city boasts the second oldest subway service (after London) and it's a wee circle round the town. Why can't we extend it out to the east and south of the city and let the bulk of Glasgow's population use it? Newcastle has a fabulous metro system that takes in both sides of the river and all towns and villages within it, (Gateshead, Jarrow Hebburn, Wallsend, South and North Shields, etc' etc'). They used existing rail tracks to extend the Metro system and it is fabulous, plus, it has an overnight service! So, is Glasgow not now in a par even with Newcastle? Do we have no visionaries left in power? Looks like it eh? We should have a Metro system second to none, but thanks (eh?) to our City fathers and planners, we have a wee circle runnin' roond the toon. As I said "Oh Dear God". [/quote] CORRECT Ronnie! Glasgow has (or had) a myriad of disued rail tunnels and solums (ie the actual trackbed) spreading out in all directions, WEST (north of the river) from Stobcross (now Exhibition Centre) to Kelvin Hall/Partick Cross/Yorkhill to Scotstoun & Yoker (now obliterated by the 'new' Clydeside Expressway); WEST (south of the river) to Southern General/Braehead, Renfrew/GLasgow Airport/Paisley; NORTH WEST from Exhibition Centre to Kelvingrove/Kelvinbr
idge/Botanic Gardens/Maryhill/Ann
iesland-Knightswood? etc.; NORTH EAST from Bellgrove/Springburn via Bishopbriggs/Lenzie to Kirkintilloch/
Kilsyth & EAST under London road etc to Parkhead/Tollcross and Carmyle (on the existing Rutherglen-Whifflet line). Only the south has a truly 'ready made' rail system ripe for conversion AND EXTENSION to speedy & MUCH MORE FREQUENT light rail/tram operations ie the network comprising the Cathcart Circle to Kirkhill/Newton/Neil
ston/East Kilbride
TOWN CENTRE & suburbs/Barrhead/Cro
okston/
Paisley Canal/SILVERBURN (BUILT FOR THE CAR!!!)/Newton Mearns etc etc.
Ronnie Cee wrote:
Oh Dear God, The city boasts the second oldest subway service (after London) and it's a wee circle round the town. Why can't we extend it out to the east and south of the city and let the bulk of Glasgow's population use it? Newcastle has a fabulous metro system that takes in both sides of the river and all towns and villages within it, (Gateshead, Jarrow Hebburn, Wallsend, South and North Shields, etc' etc'). They used existing rail tracks to extend the Metro system and it is fabulous, plus, it has an overnight service! So, is Glasgow not now in a par even with Newcastle? Do we have no visionaries left in power? Looks like it eh? We should have a Metro system second to none, but thanks (eh?) to our City fathers and planners, we have a wee circle runnin' roond the toon. As I said "Oh Dear God".
CORRECT Ronnie! Glasgow has (or had) a myriad of disued rail tunnels and solums (ie the actual trackbed) spreading out in all directions, WEST (north of the river) from Stobcross (now Exhibition Centre) to Kelvin Hall/Partick Cross/Yorkhill to Scotstoun & Yoker (now obliterated by the 'new' Clydeside Expressway); WEST (south of the river) to Southern General/Braehead, Renfrew/GLasgow Airport/Paisley; NORTH WEST from Exhibition Centre to Kelvingrove/Kelvinbr
idge/Botanic Gardens/Maryhill/Ann
iesland-Knightswood? etc.; NORTH EAST from Bellgrove/Springburn via Bishopbriggs/Lenzie to Kirkintilloch/
Kilsyth & EAST under London road etc to Parkhead/Tollcross and Carmyle (on the existing Rutherglen-Whifflet line). Only the south has a truly 'ready made' rail system ripe for conversion AND EXTENSION to speedy & MUCH MORE FREQUENT light rail/tram operations ie the network comprising the Cathcart Circle to Kirkhill/Newton/Neil
ston/East Kilbride
TOWN CENTRE & suburbs/Barrhead/Cro
okston/
Paisley Canal/SILVERBURN (BUILT FOR THE CAR!!!)/Newton Mearns etc etc.
Posted by: Chipanzo, Glasgow on 8:15pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Lazy drivers and Station staff?? How many people out there would work unsocial hours for the same rate of pay they get working a 9-5?? If we get a reasonable offer then we would work any hours the Subway is open. It is a very old system which the staff agree needs to dragged into this day and age. Proper funding would see to this.
Lazy drivers and Station staff?? How many people out there would work unsocial hours for the same rate of pay they get working a 9-5?? If we get a reasonable offer then we would work any hours the Subway is open. It is a very old system which the staff agree needs to dragged into this day and age. Proper funding would see to this.
Posted by: DMac, Glasgow on 10:05pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]stmonan[/bold] wrote:
What about when the Nightrider bus needs maintenance. Will they send a horse and cart round the Subway route? It's about time we got some proper public transport through the night rather than gimmicks like this and the stupid Nitezone system. If something isn't compatible with normal ticketing, runs at odd times and is inherently stupid, why would you expect anyone to use it? Anyone affluent enough to live in Hillhead will get a taxi rather than a bus full of jakes, anyone in Govan probably doesn't want to go home via Cowcaddens! Stereotypes, perhaps, but probably not miles off the mark.[/quote] The main problem with the Nightrider bus service is that normal season tickets are not valid. Even Zonecards are subject to a surcharge.
I don't agree it's a stupid idea, just a bit costly.
It doesn't run at 'odd' times either. It runs from 2330hrs until 0630hrs Friday into Saturday, 2330hrs until 1000 Saturday into Sunday and 1830 2345 Sunday night. Basically all weekend when the subway is closed.
Anyone going to Govan wouldn't need to go via Cowcaddens. Why not use the outer circle via Bridge St and Kinning Pk?
stmonan wrote:
What about when the Nightrider bus needs maintenance. Will they send a horse and cart round the Subway route? It's about time we got some proper public transport through the night rather than gimmicks like this and the stupid Nitezone system. If something isn't compatible with normal ticketing, runs at odd times and is inherently stupid, why would you expect anyone to use it? Anyone affluent enough to live in Hillhead will get a taxi rather than a bus full of jakes, anyone in Govan probably doesn't want to go home via Cowcaddens! Stereotypes, perhaps, but probably not miles off the mark.
The main problem with the Nightrider bus service is that normal season tickets are not valid. Even Zonecards are subject to a surcharge.
I don't agree it's a stupid idea, just a bit costly.
It doesn't run at 'odd' times either. It runs from 2330hrs until 0630hrs Friday into Saturday, 2330hrs until 1000 Saturday into Sunday and 1830 2345 Sunday night. Basically all weekend when the subway is closed.
Anyone going to Govan wouldn't need to go via Cowcaddens. Why not use the outer circle via Bridge St and Kinning Pk?
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 10:05am Fri 21 Mar 08
Th Victorians Built Glasgow with tram in mind wide streets etc.Theres Plenty of Space through city centre to run it .Everytime the subject of subway is mentioned its all negative no good news,Either Upgrade and expand or Move over .
Th Victorians Built Glasgow with tram in mind wide streets etc.Theres Plenty of Space through city centre to run it .Everytime the subject of subway is mentioned its all negative no good news,Either Upgrade and expand or Move over .
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 11:46pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Here is the Bird that never flew
Here is the Tree that never grew
Here is the Bell that never rang
Here is the Fish that never swam
Here is the underground that never ran(On a Sunday night)
Here is the Bird that never flew
Here is the Tree that never grew
Here is the Bell that never rang
Here is the Fish that never swam
Here is the underground that never ran(On a Sunday night)
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 10:34am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote: Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines![/quote] And come on Jim - Pete might come on and say that you're being racist towards those who are part of Glasgow's 'Nirvana'. There's plenty of fings to do up West me ol china plate - Yeah! There u go, I've even supplied a bit of Eastenders for amusement purposes![/quote] Oh FFS. Let me remind you that you are the numbnuts who bangs on about the 'white working class' being displaced by 'Ali Baba and his Forty Thieves'. Seems you've a poor memory. Let me reming you that a few more people than myself took exception to that and reproed your posts. Not that ET seems to have done anything... Back to yer hole son. Ironic that you can state that [italic]other[/italic] people are up their own anus.
The Missing City wrote:
jim wrote: Not everyone wants to go to west end Whats there anyway these days?The east end is the new west end.get trams running from west to east Tram/trains plenty lines!
And come on Jim - Pete might come on and say that you're being racist towards those who are part of Glasgow's 'Nirvana'. There's plenty of fings to do up West me ol china plate - Yeah! There u go, I've even supplied a bit of Eastenders for amusement purposes!
Oh FFS. Let me remind you that you are the numbnuts who bangs on about the 'white working class' being displaced by 'Ali Baba and his Forty Thieves'. Seems you've a poor memory. Let me reming you that a few more people than myself took exception to that and reproed your posts. Not that ET seems to have done anything... Back to yer hole son. Ironic that you can state that
other people are up their own anus.
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