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Why Govan could be city’s next tourist attraction . . .
 
Councillor John Flanagan, left, and community council chairman Dick Carabine in front of Govan Old Parish Church.<br>Picture: Jamie Simpson
Councillor John Flanagan, left, and community council chairman Dick Carabine in front of Govan Old Parish Church.
Picture: Jamie Simpson
 
BLACK MAN: The bronze statue, now discoloured due to age, is opposite Brechin's Bar. It was erected in 1894 as a tribute to Sir William Pearce. Under his supervision, Fairfields  originally John Elder and Co  built some of the fastest and most technologically advanced ships of the day
BLACK MAN: The bronze statue, now discoloured due to age, is opposite Brechin's Bar. It was erected in 1894 as a tribute to Sir William Pearce. Under his supervision, Fairfields originally John Elder and Co built some of the fastest and most technologically advanced ships of the day
 
PEARCE INSTITUTE: A combination of Dutch and Renaissance architecture, it was opened in 1906 and gifted to the people of Govan as a community centre by Lady Dinah Pearce in memory of her husband. It is still a community centre, but its future is now the subject of great debate
PEARCE INSTITUTE: A combination of Dutch and Renaissance architecture, it was opened in 1906 and gifted to the people of Govan as a community centre by Lady Dinah Pearce in memory of her husband. It is still a community centre, but its future is now the subject of great debate
 
LYCEUM: With its sweeping frontage, the new Lyceum had a seating capacity of 2000 and was one of the super cinemas of the 1930s and 1940s. The original Lyceum opened in 1899 as a music hall and was one of Scotland's leading variety theatres and picture houses. It became a bingo hall, but is now shut
LYCEUM: With its sweeping frontage, the new Lyceum had a seating capacity of 2000 and was one of the super cinemas of the 1930s and 1940s. The original Lyceum opened in 1899 as a music hall and was one of Scotland's leading variety theatres and picture houses. It became a bingo hall, but is now shut
 

by Sheila Hamilton

IT'S renowned across the world for its shipbuilding heritage and famous figures from football - but now Govan could become Glasgow's next tourist attraction.

Glasgow City Council plans to create a conservation area in the heart of Govan which could bring in close to £1million in heritage lottery grants.

The windfall would be used to restore buildings and monuments of special architectural or historic interest and turn Govan into a mecca for visitors.

At a public meeting in the Pearce Institute tonight, councillors and officials will explain to residents what conservation status would mean for Govan.

"Govan has a bright future," says Councillor John Flanagan.

"We see Govan as one of Glasgow's most important heritage areas with recent archaeological excavation having taken place at Water Row (thatched cottages leading down to a ford to Partick)."

As chairman of the Local Community Planning Partnership Board, Mr Flanagan is leading the regeneration of Govan and says 2008 is a dawn of a New Govan with housing developments and refurbishments through council and local housing association partnerships.

It is long overdue. For many years, the once proud burgh of Govan, where football manager Sir Alex Ferguson was raised, has been down on her luck.

And yet, the signs that she has seen better days are all around those who care to look.

Govan was once so grand that it had a Lord Provost and two town halls, and stretched from Kelvinside to Cathcart before Glasgow took it over in 1912.

But even locals need a reminder of just what an irreplaceable heritage has been passed down to them.

Mr Flanagan, a Govan man himself, has already reassured angry Govanites that two of their most important historical landmarks are safe.

Last week in the Evening Times, retired businessman and former chairman of Govan Initiative John McLaughlin, locally known as The Chairman, suggested the Pearce Institute and Govan Old Parish Church, both Victorian buildings, should be demolished to open up the centre of Govan'.

Mr Flanagan dismissed the idea as outrageous'.

He says: "Residents are working very hard to preserve the Pearce Institute and Govan Old Parish Church.

"The Pearce Institute is an A-listed building and very valuable. It is a vital part of Govan and plays a central role in supporting the local community."

Mr Flanagan points out the building was gifted to the people of Govan by the widow of Govan's first MP, Sir William Pearce, as a community facility.

"John McLaughlin wants to destroy our heritage. We have a proud history. We treasure the great culture and historical heritage of Govan and want to build on Govan's greatness."

Mr Flanagan is equally protective of the church.

"Govan Old Parish Church is situated on one of Scotland's oldest and most important Christian sites and is on a par with Iona and St Andrew's."

While the church itself is Victorian, he reminds people the site is believed to go back to the sixth century when legend says St Constantine landed there.

Dick Carabine, chairman of Govan Community Council, lives across the road from the Old Parish Church and said: "It is a beautiful building with great acoustics."

The building also has an important collection of stained glass and one of the most remarkable collections of early Christian sculpted stones in Scotland.

Thirty sculpted stones, including five which may date from the Viking settlement are kept here along with the Govan Sarcophagus, a beautifully carved shrine coffin.

"People's image of Govan is far from the reality," says Mr Carabine.

"Yes, there is poverty and ill health but Govan has also inherited a lot of good things which are important to the history of Scotland, far less Glasgow and Govan."

He welcomes the signs of regeneration.

"There was a feeling the council was neglecting Govan. We would look around and see other areas having money spent on them and wonder what's wrong with us?"

Mr Carabine, 73, who was a time-served engineer, came to Govan from Partick when he married a Govan girl.

"The shipyards and engineering yards were booming with shipyards all along the Clyde, but, after it lost its industry, Govan never recovered.

"There are youngsters going about who have never worked and their fathers before them."

He mourns the loss of communities like Wine Alley (local nickname for the Moorehouse housing scheme demolished in the late 1990s).

"There's still a good spirit here, but what visitors see and what we see every day are all the empty shops. It's like a cowboy town."

There is so much to be done to bring Govan back to life.

Elder Park, once a gracious park with a boating pond and bandstand, has become the haunt of those up to no good.

It was gifted to Govan in 1883 by Mrs Isabella Elder, in memory of her husband, John, one of the fathers of modern shipbuilding.

The park contains the 300-year-old B-listed but derelict Fairfield Farmhouse and there are plans to restore it.

Elder Park Library, at the gates of Elder Park, was another gift from Mrs Elder.

Designed by JJ Burnet, it was opened by Scots American philanthropist Andrew Carnegie.

Everyone in Govan knows the Black Man statue outside Brechin's Pub.

It is another tribute to Sir William Pearce and is a local meeting point.

Ironically, the building which is now the pub was once used as a Temperance hall.

The Cardell Hall, on the first floor, was named for John Cardell, who preached against the evils of drink.

Govanites always gave praise where it was due.

On the Burleigh Street side of the building is a carving of a Top Cat fighting a King Rat.

The heroic feline lost its life killing the last giant rat brought to Govan on vessels carrying flax.

  • Public meeting, tonight, 6.30pm, Pearce Institute, Govan Road, Govan.

  • Publication date 25/03/08

    Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:03am Tue 25 Mar 08
    Brilliant... Glasgow City Council, through prolonged inaction and mismanagement oversees the transformation of Govan as cultural, economic and social powerhouse into a wasteland of hopelessness, from where over 100,000 have left, then calls it a tourist attraction... only in New Labour's Glasgow!!!
    Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:35am Tue 25 Mar 08
    The premise of this article is complete mince!

    "turn Govan into a mecca for visitors".. aye, whatever.
    Posted by: ParisLoyal, Paris on 11:45am Tue 25 Mar 08
    Govan looks a hell of a lot better today than it did when I was a lad.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:04pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    Govan was a dump for many years, some bad bits like most districts back in the day before they were all cleared, however, Tory and Labour left it fit only for the likes of Rab C and his cronies, so what did they expect?

    Still, its about time Govan had some real investment pumped into it, since my grandfather worked in Fairfileds back in the 60's Govan has been on the slide since - its about time it was given a boost - this river regeneration should not exclude Govan (but that's dioesn't mean to say it should be yuppified either)
    Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:25pm Tue 25 Mar 08

    Hey Mising City - where have you ben hiding ?

    As you say, Govan is neding some serious investment, but as for it being the next tourist attaction, thats overstepping the mark ever so slightly.

    For a start the tourist bus wouldn't be able to take the Yanks & co to Govan as the Squinty Bridge is shut! LOL ;-)

    Can only imagine what the tour guide would be saying as tourists are driven in a freezing open top bus, with the rain never far away - if not pouring down!

    Still Drumchapel & Easterhouse have had investment - Maybe it's Govans turn!
    Just hope its for the right reasons, and the people of Govan take this opportunity to speak out and say what they want & expect from this move!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:56pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    People Power wrote:
    Hey Mising City - where have you ben hiding ? As you say, Govan is neding some serious investment, but as for it being the next tourist attaction, thats overstepping the mark ever so slightly. For a start the tourist bus wouldn't be able to take the Yanks &amp; co to Govan as the Squinty Bridge is shut! LOL ;-) Can only imagine what the tour guide would be saying as tourists are driven in a freezing open top bus, with the rain never far away - if not pouring down! Still Drumchapel &amp; Easterhouse have had investment - Maybe it's Govans turn! Just hope its for the right reasons, and the people of Govan take this opportunity to speak out and say what they want &amp; expect from this move!
    Yes, I can't imagine Govan becoming the "Greenwich" of Glasgow as for hiding, merely out and about. Maybe it was the squint on the bridge or somebody had a dodgy eye which in turn has forced the closure of the bridge - who knows?

    A frozen open top bus in the pouring rain - I thought the tourists loved that kinda stuff besides I'd rather bein a warm restaurant or bar while the rain pours - my idea of "Chilling out"

    As you may know theres a whole load of Glasgow that needs work done on it, patchwork doesn't solve the problems - a complete makeover is required to rid us of this 20th century madness we and our descendants were force fed!
    Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:07pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    Aye and ill just stay in The wee Windaes in Ayr,Im too cosy to come have look .
    Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 1:47pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    "The windfall would be used to restore buildings and monuments of special architectural or historic interest and turn Govan into a mecca for visitors"

    I thought the bingo hall had shut down ?
    Posted by: Robert Melvin, Glasgow on 3:28pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    Govan Old church is not closed although at present not used for Sunday worship still very much in use for daily services (Mon- Fri 10.00am - 10.20am)and other uses. It is open for visitor to view the wonderful collection of Carved Stones and Stained Glass Windows from June - September (Wed, Thur, Sat Aft 1pm - 4pm) or by appointment (Tel; 0141 440 2466)over 800 visitors worldwide last year.
    Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:44pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    Brad wrote:
    The premise of this article is complete mince! "turn Govan into a mecca for visitors".. aye, whatever.
    Indeed. Govan is a dump, always was, always will be.

    Can they seriously imagine visitors from overseas saying "oh, I must visit Govan".

    Spare me.
    Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 3:49pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    New Gorbals ,New Govan! mmm(By the way)
    Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    I wasn't meaning to diss Govan, Stewie. It some potential and deserves much better. Just that this isn't it...
    Posted by: the butchers, Govan Langlands Road on 4:07pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    This is great news for the local community, i'm not into publising my site but as much support for local businesses would be much appreciated.

    The area has lost out to the whole riverside redevelopment when the money should have been ploughed into the housing and redevelopment of Govan.

    George Low Butchers
    Posted by: Ernest McCreight, Bermuda on 4:19pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    I'm coming home;after 37 years i'm coming home to the new tourist attraction that will be Govan. 'Aye right'
    Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 4:19pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    riverside redevelopment


    Oh, aye. Development as in flinging up as many cheaply built flats as possible, with no infrastructure, charging the earth and alienating the local population.

    GCC are a scream.
    Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:47pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    Stewie Griffin wrote:
    Brad wrote: The premise of this article is complete mince! "turn Govan into a mecca for visitors".. aye, whatever.
    Indeed. Govan is a dump, always was, always will be. Can they seriously imagine visitors from overseas saying "oh, I must visit Govan". Spare me.
    Stewie, nobody would expect anything less from you than the likes of "Govan is a dump, always was, always will be"

    Talk about being negative. The good people of Govan deserve more. I'm not saying Govan doesn't need work done but to say it will always be a dump is just offensive
    Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:56pm Tue 25 Mar 08

    Maybe on a cynical note the Council are looking for the opportunity to develop Govan on a massive scale to fund - dare I say 2014!

    Lets just demolish a few blocks of flats here and there, flatten peoples homes of decades in return for a minimal handout.

    Meanwhile the Council gets rich on selling off Govan to developers & raking in the cash of tax paying dwellers on them moving in ?


    Hmmmm! There is far more to this than meets the eye - rest assured GCC will have some ulterior motive for this - "Conservation Area" - My ar*e!
    Posted by: Tom McCoist, New York on 5:22pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    I was born in Govan Road , almost 53 years ago , and spent the first few years of my life in Govan , before my parents moved to the new "Mecca" for young families ...Pollok .
    Govan was thriving , the shipyards were in full flight and businesses were booming . My parents regretted leaving Govan for what was a social disaster .
    I do not believe in a million years that this New Labour would do anything that could remotely benifit the voter , unless of course it is election year , and they are after your vote .
    Govan is a place I fondly remember and I would love to hear that it had been regenerated .. I will not hold my breath .
    Posted by: Richard Davis, RDavis Vienna on 5:28pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    I worked as a social worker in Govan for 14 years and the people are genuine folk, the place may be run down but don't decry the folk who live there.
    Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 8:22pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    People Power wrote:
    Maybe on a cynical note the Council are looking for the opportunity to develop Govan on a massive scale to fund - dare I say 2014! Lets just demolish a few blocks of flats here and there, flatten peoples homes of decades in return for a minimal handout. Meanwhile the Council gets rich on selling off Govan to developers &amp; raking in the cash of tax paying dwellers on them moving in ? Hmmmm! There is far more to this than meets the eye - rest assured GCC will have some ulterior motive for this - "Conservation Area" - My ar*e!
    Cynical...?

    You may just have hit the nail on the head there PP. Keep an eye out on how many other 'fund raising' inititiatives your city fathers can come up with... "I'm sorry Shawlands, we sold you to Paisley, hope you don't mind...?"

    Now who's cynical ?
    Posted by: gordyboy, glasgow on 9:45pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    free chibs and white tracksuits available for those wishing to immerse themselves in the local culture.... for an extra fiver on the official tour you can spend a few ours in the southern general a&e abusing staff and yelling that nobody cares because yer a junkie !!!
    Posted by: SusiJ, Govan on 11:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    I've lived in Govan for a few years now and have been visiting family here since I was young, It's got lots of good people and very welcoming community. I think it's great that the Council what to create a conservation area to protect what's left of the historic buildings and bring much needed funding to the area regeration.
    An by the way i've seen tourists on the Govan Heritage Trail and at the Open Door Events.
    Don't tar everyone with the same brush!
    Posted by: J123, Aberdeen/Glasgow on 11:47pm Tue 25 Mar 08
    A frozen open top bus in the pouring rain - I thought the tourists loved that kinda stuff


    I've done that and I'm from Glasgow!! Lol. It was even raining. Typical!
    Posted by: tam-m, southside on 2:23am Wed 26 Mar 08
    off topic but govan all the same.

    the female from govan housing who walked my cousin round her fathers burnt out flat and told her to put what she wanted in a black bag as she did not have much time .

    the same govan housing association who refused to stop the belongings being removed at the same time as the funeral was taking place thirty yards from the chapel .

    may you and all the workmen who filled their pockets from the house suffer ten fold that of the occupant who died in the fire.

    perhaps a plaque could be put outside the close reading --HERE WE FLEECED THE DEAD--im sure this would go down well with the govan heritage trail.
    Posted by: Gary, Parkhead on 2:30am Wed 26 Mar 08
    " which could bring in close to £1million in heritage lottery grants". Govan 25/03/08

    "In July 2005 , the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF) approved a £1.4 million grant to conserve and regenerate Parkhead Cross" 07/05

    Link = http://www.glasgow.g
    ov.uk/en/Business/Pl
    anning_Development/T
    ownscapeHeritage/the
    parkheadcrosstownsca
    peheritageinitiative
    .htm

    In almost 3 years since the grant was approved nothing has happened at Parkhead Cross. Not a new bin, no upgrading of the early 19th century buildings at the cross, no pavements fixed, no new pedestrian fencing, no lick of paint, nothing at all.

    Will the Govan initiative see the light of day or hopefully be forgotten once the headlines fade?

    Where does the money for these grants go?

    It's not just Pollok Park that's going ape, the rest of the city is as well at endless promises = lies from our elected councillors.
    Posted by: Jim Baxter, RIP, Hong Kong, Saikung on 3:01am Wed 26 Mar 08
    A proud Govanite I left 35 years ago to work overseas. Govan had become a dump, where the community spirit had been lost.
    Afer 34 years of Labour Government in Scotland Govan is even more of a dump despite the fact that Glaswegians have consistently voted these scoundrels into power. I will always cherish my upbringing but will never forget the devastation brought on this town by the Scottish Labour Party.
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    Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 8:15am Wed 26 Mar 08
    The potential in Govan is massive, but the council has overseen 30-40 years of neglect and that will take a lot to turn around. I also can't help but think the powers at be would love to see the end of shipbuilding in Govan to open up the water front to developers.
    Posted by: weegielady, govan on 8:44am Wed 26 Mar 08
    I am very pleased, aw excited, and awfy chuffed n happy and I am gonnae celebrate by buying me and ma man some fish suppers the night, and a six pack of superlager

    love Fae MaryDoll and Rab C Nesbitt
    Posted by: weegielady, ma hoose on 8:56am Wed 26 Mar 08
    and anyway, doesn't even matter how many new bricks and cans of paint you thrown into the pigsty of Govan, as some wee junkie bams will be bored, and will destroy it within a week.

    The low life argumentative, doattie ,scumbag element that are not employed Govanites, will still live there!

    so why pump good money into making it look better as these idiots still live there?

    I wouldnae walk alone in Govan ...even in daylight.

    It is a sinsister place, folk there are unfriendly growlers and I hate dealing with them on a a daily basis at work.

    Big fat ugly women swearing in streets, shopping with fags hanging out gobs, and weans hanging about their hips and in buggies greeting and being to to 'eff up Britney'etc, only had a weans to escape an alkie stepda so they could get a house aged 15 etc...

    hire a couple of bulldozers....knock it aw doon
    Posted by: barnetto, glasgow south on 9:47am Wed 26 Mar 08
    first thing first, get the gun dealers off the streets! it was only a couple of months ago two men were jailed after a bungled arms deal where one of the guns went off and shot one of them - only in Govan!!
    I'm all for regeneration, but all the winos and junkies and general riff raff have to live somewhere so watch this space cos wherever they all get shifted to will be the next Govan.
    Treat the cause not the symptoms and we won't have to spend so much of our hard earned tax ££ on cleaning up after they manky gits.
    AND FOR GOD SAKE MAKE THE HOUSING AFFORDABLE!
    Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 10:14am Wed 26 Mar 08
    Ian wrote:
    Stewie Griffin wrote:
    Brad wrote: The premise of this article is complete mince! "turn Govan into a mecca for visitors".. aye, whatever.
    Indeed. Govan is a dump, always was, always will be. Can they seriously imagine visitors from overseas saying "oh, I must visit Govan". Spare me.
    Stewie, nobody would expect anything less from you than the likes of "Govan is a dump, always was, always will be" Talk about being negative. The good people of Govan deserve more. I'm not saying Govan doesn't need work done but to say it will always be a dump is just offensive
    But it is a dump, like lots of other areas of Glasgow.

    Not negative, just truthful. But that doesn't sit well in Glasgow today, does it?

    Scotland with Style - aye very good.
    Posted by: Njohnoe86, glasgow on 11:56am Wed 26 Mar 08
    I was born in Wanlock Street in Govan, which is now the site of some flats , I learned to dance at the PI and got christened in the Parish Church, which is where my parents got married. I never looked at Govan being so full of history!! I revisited recently and there just seemed to be drunks and teenage mothers pushing expensive prams and wearing tracksuits! I think a bit of style and updating is just what the place needs!
    Posted by: andy3127, Troon on 4:28pm Wed 26 Mar 08
    Get rid of the neds and the junkies and you may have something to start with but until they are gone theres no chance of making this a tourist destination. All that will happen is a building will be cleaned up and 24 hours later it will be daubed in grafitti, some of the residents have no respect for thier local area and until they do this will be a massive failure
    Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 9:53pm Wed 26 Mar 08
    Could well believe it. Pity the Garscube Rd is gone, many a gothic building should have been saved. That genre of architecture could have seen a wee hub for Glasgow.
    Posted by: SusiJ, Govan on 11:02pm Wed 26 Mar 08
    Why don't we get rid of all the neds and junkies from the rest of Glasgow and Scotland too? cause it's just a Govan problem it's all over the country. Money gets pumped into other areas so why not Govan.
    I don't want to make Govan a tourist or shopping mecca. But having a better enviroment to live in will help the people living here to be proud our the area.
    Posted by: Lesley Davies, Glasgow on 11:32am Sat 29 Mar 08
    Seems to be a lot of focus on this article on the former Govan Old Parish Church building.

    Just for clarification, it was an independent arbitration committee of the Church of Scotland who made the decision in May that the former New Govan building would be the principal place of worship for the three united congregations who became Govan & Linthouse Parish Church in early October. This means that neither of the three former churches (Govan Old, Linthouse St Kenneths and New Govan) existed with effect from that date. The only Church of Scotland church remaining in Govan is therefore Govan & Linthouse Parish Church which is sitated on Govan Cross.

    It is also worth noting that the congregation of the former Govan Old church, on two occasions, voted unanimously in favour of a union with the former congregations of Linthouse St Kenneths and New Govan, with full knowledge that the decision in relation to which building would be slected as the principal place of worship for the united congregation would be made by an independent arbitration committee.

    It is a real pity that so many members of the former congregations are keen to pour congregational resources into the maintenance of two buildings in order to satisy their own inabilities to deal with change and moving forward. It is an even greater pity that use of resources in this manner prevents the new G&L congregation from focussing on what the Church really should be all about - being there to take the word of God into the local community and using resources to support mission and outreach.

    It might be beneficial if some members of the congregation were to spend time in coutries like Uganda (Hillington Park Parish Church actively support street children out there in an orphanage called Dwelling Places) or in Peru where the Vine Trust Charity (supported by Church of Scotland) does amazing work in conjunction with Scripture Union Peru to support boys who live on the streets in some of the poorest areas. Maybe time spent there would help these people to refocus their energies on God's people who need their help instead of the bricks and mortar of buildings -then they would indeed be true living and breathing examples of the Christian life that Jesus taught us about!!

    Unfirtunately, some people are shorted sighted and will never have any real vision. The reality is that if all of the former church of Scotland buildings in the Govan area continue to be maintained, the Church in Govan will have no funds left to do any Christian work at all within the next year.

    It should also be noted that the majority of people who are so passionate about the church buildings which are now closed no longer live in the Govan community (and I include myself in this). Maybe they should be listenting to the views of the people of Govan in terms of what they would like from the Church.

    Ministry and mission to the people of Govan is, after all, where we (as a Christian Church)should be focussing direction, personal effort and resources instead of worshipping bricks, mortar and memories of the past.
    Posted by: Lesdavies on 4:27am Sun 4 May 08
    I've lived in the States since 1955.
    I'll always be a Govanite, you'll nver meet a more friendlier people than Govanites.
    I personally know Mr. Mclaughlin, been to his home, he's a great personality but I must disagree with doing away with the Govan land marks.
    I was surprised to see the name "LESLEY DAVIES", I never knew another "Davies" who came from Govan, maybe we're related.
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