Posted by: TICL, Glasgow on 1:53pm Tue 25 Mar 08
A disgrace and an embarrassment. It's very sad that these Councillors cannot be trusted with our most precious public assets.
Let's hope the Scottish Exec vetoes this dreadful decision.
A disgrace and an embarrassment. It's very sad that these Councillors cannot be trusted with our most precious public assets.
Let's hope the Scottish Exec vetoes this dreadful decision.
Posted by: the man, A quet place on 2:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I wonder if anybody will remember this disgraceful decision when the next election comes around . Labour are a digrace and I have been a party member for 27 years . Time for a change in Glasgow elect councillors who listen to the people . The arrogance displayed by the Lbour group is appalling . They have lost one party member and a family of voters . Shame really .
I wonder if anybody will remember this disgraceful decision when the next election comes around . Labour are a digrace and I have been a party member for 27 years . Time for a change in Glasgow elect councillors who listen to the people . The arrogance displayed by the Lbour group is appalling . They have lost one party member and a family of voters . Shame really .
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 2:01pm Tue 25 Mar 08
A disappointing decision but one that was perhaps expected given that it has been approved by Council Executive in principle and recommended by the Planning Department. It is in essence a "political" decision and not really a planning one. It will be very interesting to see what the Scottish Government make of it although I suspect their room for manoeuvre will be limited due to restrictions of planning competency.
A disappointing decision but one that was perhaps expected given that it has been approved by Council Executive in principle and recommended by the Planning Department. It is in essence a "political" decision and not really a planning one. It will be very interesting to see what the Scottish Government make of it although I suspect their room for manoeuvre will be limited due to restrictions of planning competency.
Posted by: jamesa0330, glasgow on 2:02pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Well said the man!
One of the architects who designed The Burrell summed it up well.....
"Glasgow, have you lost your way?"
Lets hope the Scottish Government get a handle on this..... now our fight REALLY starts!
Remove those councillors who voted for this proposal (while checking their bank balances!)
Well said the man!
One of the architects who designed The Burrell summed it up well.....
"Glasgow, have you lost your way?"
Lets hope the Scottish Government get a handle on this..... now our fight REALLY starts!
Remove those councillors who voted for this proposal (while checking their bank balances!)
Posted by: Jim Brown, glasgow on 2:03pm Tue 25 Mar 08
As far as I am aware at least one SNP member voted for in favour. So why is it just labour that are a disgrace!?!?
Looking forward now to the SNP Scottish Executive making a no-political decision on this.
As far as I am aware at least one SNP member voted for in favour. So why is it just labour that are a disgrace!?!?
Looking forward now to the SNP Scottish Executive making a no-political decision on this.
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jim Brown[/bold] wrote:
As far as I am aware at least one SNP member voted for in favour. So why is it just labour that are a disgrace!?!?
Looking forward now to the SNP Scottish Executive making a no-political decision on this.[/quote] Jim you are absolutely correct Colin Deans SNP supported this as a local councillor, although not sure he is on planning committee. As a life long SNP voter I will never vote for this arrogant man, he has lost the SNP a vote as long as he is standing. Not sure what Scottish Government will have in the way of being able to re examine the whole issue or just the ones relating to Financial issue.
Jim Brown wrote:
As far as I am aware at least one SNP member voted for in favour. So why is it just labour that are a disgrace!?!?
Looking forward now to the SNP Scottish Executive making a no-political decision on this.
Jim you are absolutely correct Colin Deans SNP supported this as a local councillor, although not sure he is on planning committee. As a life long SNP voter I will never vote for this arrogant man, he has lost the SNP a vote as long as he is standing. Not sure what Scottish Government will have in the way of being able to re examine the whole issue or just the ones relating to Financial issue.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:09pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Jim - you are correct. |George Roberts (the SNP's spokesperson on parks) also voted in favour. In fact, it was Jim McNally from Labour who spoke most strongly against it, and who moved that the plans be rejected.
Colin Deans (as local SNP member for the area) launched an unprecedented, vitriolic attack on those who were objecting to the plans. The Chair finally had to shut him up.
So much for local democracy.
Jim - you are correct. |George Roberts (the SNP's spokesperson on parks) also voted in favour. In fact, it was Jim McNally from Labour who spoke most strongly against it, and who moved that the plans be rejected.
Colin Deans (as local SNP member for the area) launched an unprecedented, vitriolic attack on those who were objecting to the plans. The Chair finally had to shut him up.
So much for local democracy.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:13pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote]Not sure what Scottish Government will have in the way of being able to re examine the whole issue or just the ones relating to Financial issue.[/quote]
Gavin, it seems that in the automatic referral the Govt. will only be able to look at planning issues. However, we will be aiming for a call-in and that will enable them to look at the whole process. The SPP website will be updated advising on lobbying our MSP's to ask for the application to be called in.
Not sure what Scottish Government will have in the way of being able to re examine the whole issue or just the ones relating to Financial issue.
Gavin, it seems that in the automatic referral the Govt. will only be able to look at planning issues. However, we will be aiming for a call-in and that will enable them to look at the whole process. The SPP website will be updated advising on lobbying our MSP's to ask for the application to be called in.
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 2:14pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Glad to hear Jim McNally speaking up, a good man and an excellent local councillor, this based on having had experience of him on several matters
Glad to hear Jim McNally speaking up, a good man and an excellent local councillor, this based on having had experience of him on several matters
Posted by: rocker, Glasgow on 2:25pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Deeply, deeply disappointed in the council. There isn't really much more I can say about this awful decision.
Deeply, deeply disappointed in the council. There isn't really much more I can say about this awful decision.
Posted by: hawkey, glasgow green on 2:31pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Colin Deans as a local councilor should be removed at the next election.
Any Councilor who voted for this proposal should also get their jotters.
I'm sure we can remind voters who are responsible when the time comes.
That will be the only way dough heids like them will listen to the people in future
Colin Deans as a local councilor should be removed at the next election.
Any Councilor who voted for this proposal should also get their jotters.
I'm sure we can remind voters who are responsible when the time comes.
That will be the only way dough heids like them will listen to the people in future
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 2:46pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.
Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.
Posted by: SwimFishSwim, Glasgow on 2:59pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014!
The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.
I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014!
The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]Let's be under no illusions here: New Labour are finished in this city, no ifs, buts, or maybes![/bold]
The problem is that the council, full self-serving, self-absorbed, below-mediocre Labour politicians with nowhere else to go, know fine well they are finished. They are now embarking on a 'scorched earth' policy of destroying (or, where they can, selling) everything of any value in this city before they are booted out of office. Senior figures such as Purcell and Cameron have created bolt-holes (to GCTB and CASG, respectively) for themselves after they are kicked out.
In this sense, I am happy that the issue will now be scrutinised at national level, and by an external organisation, as if it wasn't Pollok Park this week, it would be some other park next week, then some other public asset the week after....
[bold]Put simply, Glasgow City Council is now functioning beyond the control of the people of Glasgow, and has clearly abandoned any pretense that it is acting in our interests.[/bold]
Let's be under no illusions here: New Labour are finished in this city, no ifs, buts, or maybes!
The problem is that the council, full self-serving, self-absorbed, below-mediocre Labour politicians with nowhere else to go, know fine well they are finished. They are now embarking on a 'scorched earth' policy of destroying (or, where they can, selling) everything of any value in this city before they are booted out of office. Senior figures such as Purcell and Cameron have created bolt-holes (to GCTB and CASG, respectively) for themselves after they are kicked out.
In this sense, I am happy that the issue will now be scrutinised at national level, and by an external organisation, as if it wasn't Pollok Park this week, it would be some other park next week, then some other public asset the week after....
Put simply, Glasgow City Council is now functioning beyond the control of the people of Glasgow, and has clearly abandoned any pretense that it is acting in our interests. Posted by: Raven, Saigon on 3:09pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.[/quote] You Sir epitomise ignorance. To suggest the Councillors who made this decision are corrupt; beggars belief. In terms of your spelling, see what the Big Plus can do for you!!!!!!
jonny bond wrote:
Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.
You Sir epitomise ignorance. To suggest the Councillors who made this decision are corrupt; beggars belief. In terms of your spelling, see what the Big Plus can do for you!!!!!!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 3:13pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Raven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote: Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.[/quote] You Sir epitomise ignorance. To suggest the Councillors who made this decision are corrupt; beggars belief. In terms of your spelling, see what the Big Plus can do for you!!!!!![/quote] And see what a decent guide to punctuation could do for you.
Raven wrote:
jonny bond wrote: Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.
You Sir epitomise ignorance. To suggest the Councillors who made this decision are corrupt; beggars belief. In terms of your spelling, see what the Big Plus can do for you!!!!!!
And see what a decent guide to punctuation could do for you.
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 3:13pm Tue 25 Mar 08
A discgrace to their electorate
A discgrace to their electorate
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 3:17pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I would say that for the last 2 decades Labour in Glasgow (through its senile MP's and councillors) has had suicudal tendencies. This decision has brought this to the fore today. A lot of Labour councillors will not be getting re-elected come the next local council elections after this. I can see glasgow becoming over %80 SNP in the next election after this. Labour has failed Glasgow AGAIN!!
I would say that for the last 2 decades Labour in Glasgow (through its senile MP's and councillors) has had suicudal tendencies. This decision has brought this to the fore today. A lot of Labour councillors will not be getting re-elected come the next local council elections after this. I can see glasgow becoming over %80 SNP in the next election after this. Labour has failed Glasgow AGAIN!!
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 3:18pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I'd like to be surprised at this decision. However having seen the arrogance displayed by some 'public representatives' at the meeting on January 22nd I'm not.
Pride comes before a fall.
-Scott
I'd like to be surprised at this decision. However having seen the arrogance displayed by some 'public representatives' at the meeting on January 22nd I'm not.
Pride comes before a fall.
-Scott
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 3:20pm Tue 25 Mar 08
"But Colin Deans, one of the three councillors for the area, backed the plan and said: "I don't think I have ever experienced so much sound and fury over a planning issue."
Glad he listened to it all then!
"But Colin Deans, one of the three councillors for the area, backed the plan and said: "I don't think I have ever experienced so much sound and fury over a planning issue."
Glad he listened to it all then!
Posted by: Raven, Saigon on 3:21pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014! The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.[/quote] If you care to look through the Councils Website, Minutes and Agendas, I think you will find it will be Bellahouston Park.
Garden Centre Opening Soon
SwimFishSwim wrote:
I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014! The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.
If you care to look through the Councils Website, Minutes and Agendas, I think you will find it will be Bellahouston Park.
Garden Centre Opening Soon
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:26pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.[/quote] While my natural reserve prohibits me from being as blunt as jonny bond, I'd say his aim is as sharp as his namesake, James!
And just to remind everyone that the GCC Planning Committee is NOT apolitical, nor immune to the pressures of serving a politically controlled body, may I refer everyone to a response I gave some 'moments' ago:
[quote]However, if anyone wishes to see one interpretation of the apparent 'objectivity' of Glasgow City Council's Labour politicians and the city's Planning Committee, they should read the article, "[bold]Cash Row MSP Helped Tycoon; Planning Rules Were Got Round Twice[/bold]" from the Sunday Mirror on December 9th last year.
The article includes the quote:
[italic]Now it has emerged that Mr Gordon (then the Labour council leader) TWICE intervened on Mr Green's (multi-milionaire whose donations damaged Wendy) behalf after his firms were blocked from building shopping centres in Glasgow.[/italic][/quote]
jonny bond wrote:
Is this what we need councilors for to accept brown envelopes.
While my natural reserve prohibits me from being as blunt as jonny bond, I'd say his aim is as sharp as his namesake, James!
And just to remind everyone that the GCC Planning Committee is NOT apolitical, nor immune to the pressures of serving a politically controlled body, may I refer everyone to a response I gave some 'moments' ago:
However, if anyone wishes to see one interpretation of the apparent 'objectivity' of Glasgow City Council's Labour politicians and the city's Planning Committee, they should read the article, "Cash Row MSP Helped Tycoon; Planning Rules Were Got Round Twice" from the Sunday Mirror on December 9th last year.
The article includes the quote:
Now it has emerged that Mr Gordon (then the Labour council leader) TWICE intervened on Mr Green's (multi-milionaire whose donations damaged Wendy) behalf after his firms were blocked from building shopping centres in Glasgow.
Posted by: AndrewM, Shawlands, Glasgow on 3:29pm Tue 25 Mar 08
This should be rejected by the Scottish Government purely on planning grounds. If you read the report from planning it states that it is contrary to policy but recommends a grant subject to conditions. [bold]If this were an application in which the Council did not have a financial interest would it have been granted even though it is contrary to a number of policies?[/bold]
This should be rejected by the Scottish Government purely on planning grounds. If you read the report from planning it states that it is contrary to policy but recommends a grant subject to conditions.
If this were an application in which the Council did not have a financial interest would it have been granted even though it is contrary to a number of policies? Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 3:36pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Dont vote for labour next time people at the next elections for what they have done is a disgrace to glasgow and the host city of the 2014 commonwealth games.
Dont vote for labour next time people at the next elections for what they have done is a disgrace to glasgow and the host city of the 2014 commonwealth games.
Posted by: max, Glasgow on 3:39pm Tue 25 Mar 08
THIS IS INDEED A DISGRACE BUT WHILE WE CAN ALL COMPLAIN JUST NOW LET'S REMEMBER THAT THIS FIGHT IS [bold]NOT OVER[/bold] . IF THE PEOPLE OF GLASGOW CAN SHOW THE SAME LEVEL OF PROTEST TO THE SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE [bold]WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE[/bold] TO STOP THIS STUPID ABOMINATION.
THIS IS INDEED A DISGRACE BUT WHILE WE CAN ALL COMPLAIN JUST NOW LET'S REMEMBER THAT THIS FIGHT IS
NOT OVER . IF THE PEOPLE OF GLASGOW CAN SHOW THE SAME LEVEL OF PROTEST TO THE SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE
WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO STOP THIS STUPID ABOMINATION.
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 3:39pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]Seems everyone is going ape about this.[/bold]
Seems everyone is going ape about this. Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 3:41pm Tue 25 Mar 08
The council leader should resign for this NO MORE LABOUR Lets rally to george square right now and tell them what we think and what we have to say
The council leader should resign for this NO MORE LABOUR Lets rally to george square right now and tell them what we think and what we have to say
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:42pm Tue 25 Mar 08
There will be no public parks left in Glasgow in the next 20 years. They are slowly being eroded before our very eyes. If it's not ventures like this, it's taking OUR land for schools, and building football pitches that local kids can't utilise because they shut them after school hours!! It's happening all over Glasgow, not just Pollok Park.
Dear Green Place. Not for much longer.
There will be no public parks left in Glasgow in the next 20 years. They are slowly being eroded before our very eyes. If it's not ventures like this, it's taking OUR land for schools, and building football pitches that local kids can't utilise because they shut them after school hours!! It's happening all over Glasgow, not just Pollok Park.
Dear Green Place. Not for much longer.
Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 3:42pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I going to send a email to the council and see why did the accept this when the people of glasgow don't want this adventure centre in our city
I going to send a email to the council and see why did the accept this when the people of glasgow don't want this adventure centre in our city
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 3:46pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Labour has really shot themselves in the foot now.
Labour has really shot themselves in the foot now.
Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 3:53pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
There will be no public parks left in Glasgow in the next 20 years. They are slowly being eroded before our very eyes. If it's not ventures like this, it's taking OUR land for schools, and building football pitches that local kids can't utilise because they shut them after school hours!! It's happening all over Glasgow, not just Pollok Park. Dear Green Place. Not for much longer. [/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] The end is nigh for Labour in Scotland.
Stewie Griffin wrote:
There will be no public parks left in Glasgow in the next 20 years. They are slowly being eroded before our very eyes. If it's not ventures like this, it's taking OUR land for schools, and building football pitches that local kids can't utilise because they shut them after school hours!! It's happening all over Glasgow, not just Pollok Park. Dear Green Place. Not for much longer.
The end is nigh for Labour in Scotland.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 3:56pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote]A lot of Labour councillors will not be getting re-elected come the next local council elections after this. I can see glasgow becoming over %80 SNP in the next election after this. Labour has failed Glasgow AGAIN!![/quote]
Meep - read my lips [bold]SOME[/bold] SNP COUNCILLORS VOTED FOR THIS - [bold]SOME[/bold] LABOUR COUNCILLORS DID NOT
I was in at the meeting this morning and I can assure you that the SNP did not come out of it well. George Roberts (SNP park spokesperson) voted in favour and Colin Deans(SNP) told us that "parks are for noise".
So what does that say about the future of our parks if the SNP take control of Glasgow?????
A lot of Labour councillors will not be getting re-elected come the next local council elections after this. I can see glasgow becoming over %80 SNP in the next election after this. Labour has failed Glasgow AGAIN!!
Meep - read my lips
SOME SNP COUNCILLORS VOTED FOR THIS -
SOME LABOUR COUNCILLORS DID NOT
I was in at the meeting this morning and I can assure you that the SNP did not come out of it well. George Roberts (SNP park spokesperson) voted in favour and Colin Deans(SNP) told us that "parks are for noise".
So what does that say about the future of our parks if the SNP take control of Glasgow?????
Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 4:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Anyone going to the city chambers please come at 12:15 tomorrow and protest outside and tell them what we have to say i'll be there will you.
Anyone going to the city chambers please come at 12:15 tomorrow and protest outside and tell them what we have to say i'll be there will you.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
mulross wrote:
[quote]So what does that say about the future of our parks if the SNP take control of Glasgow?????[/quote]
I know what you are saying mulross, however, [italic]crucially[/italic] by that time ([bold]after Scottish Labour are kicked out[/bold]) politicians as a whole will have got the message that the people of Glasgow will no longer sit back and watch their city destroyed by self-serving, diminutive politicians (of any party!).
mulross wrote:
So what does that say about the future of our parks if the SNP take control of Glasgow?????
I know what you are saying mulross, however,
crucially by that time (
after Scottish Labour are kicked out) politicians as a whole will have got the message that the people of Glasgow will no longer sit back and watch their city destroyed by self-serving, diminutive politicians (of any party!).
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 4:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs
People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones
The more facialities provided in our parks the better
I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs
People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones
The more facialities provided in our parks the better
Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 4:06pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Raven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote: I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014! The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.[/quote] If you care to look through the Councils Website, Minutes and Agendas, I think you will find it will be Bellahouston Park. Garden Centre Opening Soon[/quote] You are right there SwimFishSwim they are thieves those Labour lot
Raven wrote:
SwimFishSwim wrote: I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014! The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.
If you care to look through the Councils Website, Minutes and Agendas, I think you will find it will be Bellahouston Park. Garden Centre Opening Soon
You are right there SwimFishSwim they are thieves those Labour lot
Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 4:09pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]OAP[/bold] wrote:
I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones The more facialities provided in our parks the better[/quote] You have got it all wrong we dont want anyone to build anythink in glasgow like this and we will fight it all the way and it starts tomorrow at city chambers 12:15pm so watch out Labour because your next it reminds us all of the poll tax ant torries under thatcher in the 80's
OAP wrote:
I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones The more facialities provided in our parks the better
You have got it all wrong we dont want anyone to build anythink in glasgow like this and we will fight it all the way and it starts tomorrow at city chambers 12:15pm so watch out Labour because your next it reminds us all of the poll tax ant torries under thatcher in the 80's
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 4:14pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Labour are so Un-pro.Behind the times,
Labour are so Un-pro.Behind the times,
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:18pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I don't get the impression from reading the comments here that anyone has any experience of Go_Ape facilities... they're actually very good and have very little impact. I would be interested to know how many objectors have actually looked at the planning proposals too...
The councillors can be in no doubt about the strength of feeling - so why would they still vote this through so comfortably? There is no personal £gain (if anyone disagrees, let's see the evidence (and what about those who voted against?)) and - if the protestors are representative of public opinion there are no votes in it. Is the remaining option that they voted for it because they thought it was the right thing to do?
I don't get the impression from reading the comments here that anyone has any experience of Go_Ape facilities... they're actually very good and have very little impact. I would be interested to know how many objectors have actually looked at the planning proposals too...
The councillors can be in no doubt about the strength of feeling - so why would they still vote this through so comfortably? There is no personal £gain (if anyone disagrees, let's see the evidence (and what about those who voted against?)) and - if the protestors are representative of public opinion there are no votes in it. Is the remaining option that they voted for it because they thought it was the right thing to do?
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 4:20pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]sb1987[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]OAP[/bold] wrote: I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones The more facialities provided in our parks the better[/quote] You have got it all wrong we dont want anyone to build anythink in glasgow like this and we will fight it all the way and it starts tomorrow at city chambers 12:15pm so watch out Labour because your next it reminds us all of the poll tax ant torries under thatcher in the 80's[/quote] Who do you think you are "We" is you and a handful. The vast majority of Glaswegians would support this project.
Your bully boy tactics didn't work with the Councillors. I don't vote Labour and never will but this was a cross party decision
[bold][bold]GET OVER IT YOU LOST YOUR CASE[/bold]
PARKS 4 PEOPLE KEEP OUT THE DOGS[/bold]
sb1987 wrote:
OAP wrote: I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones The more facialities provided in our parks the better
You have got it all wrong we dont want anyone to build anythink in glasgow like this and we will fight it all the way and it starts tomorrow at city chambers 12:15pm so watch out Labour because your next it reminds us all of the poll tax ant torries under thatcher in the 80's
Who do you think you are "We" is you and a handful. The vast majority of Glaswegians would support this project.
Your bully boy tactics didn't work with the Councillors. I don't vote Labour and never will but this was a cross party decision
GET OVER IT YOU LOST YOUR CASE
PARKS 4 PEOPLE KEEP OUT THE DOGS Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:26pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I cannot believe the arrogance of GCC in relation to Pollok v Go Ape. Very bad decision! GCC - you should have listened to the good people of your city!
I cannot believe the arrogance of GCC in relation to Pollok v Go Ape. Very bad decision! GCC - you should have listened to the good people of your city!
Posted by: cuthbert, glasgow on 4:29pm Tue 25 Mar 08
To correct the misrepresentations posted above the coucillors who voted against the application were:
[bold]Margo Clark; Craig MacKay; James McNally; David Meikie; George Roberts; Kieren Wild[/bold]
To correct the misrepresentations posted above the coucillors who voted against the application were:
Margo Clark; Craig MacKay; James McNally; David Meikie; George Roberts; Kieren Wild Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 4:31pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
I don't get the impression from reading the comments here that anyone has any experience of Go_Ape facilities... they're actually very good and have very little impact. I would be interested to know how many objectors have actually looked at the planning proposals too...
The councillors can be in no doubt about the strength of feeling - so why would they still vote this through so comfortably? There is no personal £gain (if anyone disagrees, let's see the evidence (and what about those who voted against?)) and - if the protestors are representative of public opinion there are no votes in it. Is the remaining option that they voted for it because they thought it was the right thing to do?[/quote] Quite a number of us have actually looked at the planning proposals Brad, and nobody is against Go Ape in Glasgow per se - we just think Pollok Park is the wrong location, for all kinds of reasons which have been spelt out on numerous occasions.
There are no doubt a number of reasons as to why the councillors voted it through. A major one (imo) is just sheer arrogance and total contempt for the views/feelings of the people of Glasgow. It is also a political decision as the lease had already been approved "in principle" by the Executive before anyone of us ever heard about it. Plus, GCC do stand to make soem money out of it (though not nearly as much as the company).
It is also the case that some of these numpties are totally incapable of grasping the concept of peace & tranquillity being something to be valued. when Colin Deans made his comment about graveyards & the Mitchell for peace & quiet and parks being for noise, he was applauded by a number of the planning committee - I knew then what way it would go.
Brad wrote:
I don't get the impression from reading the comments here that anyone has any experience of Go_Ape facilities... they're actually very good and have very little impact. I would be interested to know how many objectors have actually looked at the planning proposals too...
The councillors can be in no doubt about the strength of feeling - so why would they still vote this through so comfortably? There is no personal £gain (if anyone disagrees, let's see the evidence (and what about those who voted against?)) and - if the protestors are representative of public opinion there are no votes in it. Is the remaining option that they voted for it because they thought it was the right thing to do?
Quite a number of us have actually looked at the planning proposals Brad, and nobody is against Go Ape in Glasgow per se - we just think Pollok Park is the wrong location, for all kinds of reasons which have been spelt out on numerous occasions.
There are no doubt a number of reasons as to why the councillors voted it through. A major one (imo) is just sheer arrogance and total contempt for the views/feelings of the people of Glasgow. It is also a political decision as the lease had already been approved "in principle" by the Executive before anyone of us ever heard about it. Plus, GCC do stand to make soem money out of it (though not nearly as much as the company).
It is also the case that some of these numpties are totally incapable of grasping the concept of peace & tranquillity being something to be valued. when Colin Deans made his comment about graveyards & the Mitchell for peace & quiet and parks being for noise, he was applauded by a number of the planning committee - I knew then what way it would go.
Posted by: HGlasgwegian, Glasgow on 4:33pm Tue 25 Mar 08
George Roberts did not vote in favour.
However other SNP councillors did.
Councillors on the planning committee are not allowed to vote on party lines or to be 'whipped' on a planning decision.
So it's not really a party political issue.
As far as I am concerned it is the consultation - or the lack of it - which is the political issue and what Glasgow City Council intends to do to improve their processes.
I also think that Go Ape will probably not go ahead because the company will withdraw. People forget that the council 'invited' Go Ape to build in that site and Go Ape were not themselves responsible for the consultation.
George Roberts did not vote in favour.
However other SNP councillors did.
Councillors on the planning committee are not allowed to vote on party lines or to be 'whipped' on a planning decision.
So it's not really a party political issue.
As far as I am concerned it is the consultation - or the lack of it - which is the political issue and what Glasgow City Council intends to do to improve their processes.
I also think that Go Ape will probably not go ahead because the company will withdraw. People forget that the council 'invited' Go Ape to build in that site and Go Ape were not themselves responsible for the consultation.
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 4:35pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
I don't get the impression from reading the comments here that anyone has any experience of Go_Ape facilities... they're actually very good and have very little impact. I would be interested to know how many objectors have actually looked at the planning proposals too...
The councillors can be in no doubt about the strength of feeling - so why would they still vote this through so comfortably? There is no personal £gain (if anyone disagrees, let's see the evidence (and what about those who voted against?)) and - if the protestors are representative of public opinion there are no votes in it. Is the remaining option that they voted for it because they thought it was the right thing to do?[/quote] I think the main focus of many campaigners is that they are against Go Ape! at Pollok Park, not against Go Ape! per say.
Many of those who align themselves with the Save Pollok Park campaign have been to a Go Ape! facility and have talked of the great times they have had there.
I've corresponded with a Go Ape! employee who loved his job and knew that the company valued the environment on which it sat and was looking forward to Go Ape! being brought to Glasgow.
My main beef with the proposal is that the 'consultation' process did not exist in any tangible fashion. The methodology and processes used can no longer be found by the City Council.
Minutes from the meetings relating to the entire proposal appear to have formed a very structured setting with the 'consultation' being a very minimum affair, almost an afterthought.
See:
http://tinyurl.com/2
jze5l
for a bit more detail on it.
Where the consultation to be brought forward and so half the job that the voluntary Save Pollok Park campaign to have done I'm almost certain that the proposal would not have got to where it has.
This will be the main focus of the Scottish Government's investigation into the whole affair should they recall the proposal for review.
I hope you understand it's all about conferring with the electorate prior to establishing a contract.
-Scott
Brad wrote:
I don't get the impression from reading the comments here that anyone has any experience of Go_Ape facilities... they're actually very good and have very little impact. I would be interested to know how many objectors have actually looked at the planning proposals too...
The councillors can be in no doubt about the strength of feeling - so why would they still vote this through so comfortably? There is no personal £gain (if anyone disagrees, let's see the evidence (and what about those who voted against?)) and - if the protestors are representative of public opinion there are no votes in it. Is the remaining option that they voted for it because they thought it was the right thing to do?
I think the main focus of many campaigners is that they are against Go Ape! at Pollok Park, not against Go Ape! per say.
Many of those who align themselves with the Save Pollok Park campaign have been to a Go Ape! facility and have talked of the great times they have had there.
I've corresponded with a Go Ape! employee who loved his job and knew that the company valued the environment on which it sat and was looking forward to Go Ape! being brought to Glasgow.
My main beef with the proposal is that the 'consultation' process did not exist in any tangible fashion. The methodology and processes used can no longer be found by the City Council.
Minutes from the meetings relating to the entire proposal appear to have formed a very structured setting with the 'consultation' being a very minimum affair, almost an afterthought.
See:
http://tinyurl.com/2
jze5l
for a bit more detail on it.
Where the consultation to be brought forward and so half the job that the voluntary Save Pollok Park campaign to have done I'm almost certain that the proposal would not have got to where it has.
This will be the main focus of the Scottish Government's investigation into the whole affair should they recall the proposal for review.
I hope you understand it's all about conferring with the electorate prior to establishing a contract.
-Scott
Posted by: HGlasgwegian, Glasgow on 4:37pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Brad I think the reason they went ahead is because of what Ruth Simpson said at the public meeting.
Brad I think the reason they went ahead is because of what Ruth Simpson said at the public meeting.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:45pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]QUESTION FOR THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT:[/bold]
As shown in the ET video, Liz Cameron took part in this vote; Liz Cameron chairs the board of a private company (Culture and Sport Glasgow) which may benefit financially from this proposal through possible increased use of the Burrell cafe and shop.
[italic][bold]Is Cameron's participation legal[/bold][/italic], as it is certainly not moral!?!?!
QUESTION FOR THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT:
As shown in the ET video, Liz Cameron took part in this vote; Liz Cameron chairs the board of a private company (Culture and Sport Glasgow) which may benefit financially from this proposal through possible increased use of the Burrell cafe and shop.
Is Cameron's participation legal, as it is certainly not moral!?!?!
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 5:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
CULTURE AND SPORT GLASGOW BOARD MEMBERS:
Culture and Sport Glasgow reports to a Board of 11 Directors, which comprises six elected members, four independent Directors and the Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow.
Elected Members:
* Bailie Liz Cameron (Chair)
* Councillor Steven Purcell, Leader of the Council
* Councillor Archie Graham, Executive Member for Culture and Sport
* Councillor Stephen Curran, City Treasurer
* Councillor James Dornan
* Councillor Aileen Colleran
4 Independent Directors:
* The Rt Hon The Lord Macfarlane of Bearsden KT
* Sir Angus Grossart
* The Rt Hon George Reid
* The Lord Stevenson of Coddenham
Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow
* Bridget McConnell
And they're basic company info can be found here:
http://tinyurl.com/2
b7zer
Don't know if that helps anyone out - but the board sure do have a lot of names on it I recognise.
-Scott
CULTURE AND SPORT GLASGOW BOARD MEMBERS:
Culture and Sport Glasgow reports to a Board of 11 Directors, which comprises six elected members, four independent Directors and the Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow.
Elected Members:
* Bailie Liz Cameron (Chair)
* Councillor Steven Purcell, Leader of the Council
* Councillor Archie Graham, Executive Member for Culture and Sport
* Councillor Stephen Curran, City Treasurer
* Councillor James Dornan
* Councillor Aileen Colleran
4 Independent Directors:
* The Rt Hon The Lord Macfarlane of Bearsden KT
* Sir Angus Grossart
* The Rt Hon George Reid
* The Lord Stevenson of Coddenham
Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow
* Bridget McConnell
And they're basic company info can be found here:
http://tinyurl.com/2
b7zer
Don't know if that helps anyone out - but the board sure do have a lot of names on it I recognise.
-Scott
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 5:08pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Thanks Scott, as you can see from above, surely if a private company (Culture and Sport Glasgow) is likely to profit from the planned exploitation of public resources, then the company's board members should not have a say in approving the plan.
Thanks Scott, as you can see from above, surely if a private company (Culture and Sport Glasgow) is likely to profit from the planned exploitation of public resources, then the company's board members should not have a say in approving the plan.
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 5:11pm Tue 25 Mar 08
CULTURE AND SPORT GLASGOW BOARD MEMBERS:
Culture and Sport Glasgow reports to a Board of 11 Directors, which comprises six elected members, four independent Directors and the Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow.
Elected Members:
* Bailie Liz Cameron (Chair)
* Councillor Steven Purcell, Leader of the Council
* Councillor Archie Graham, Executive Member for Culture and Sport
* Councillor Stephen Curran, City Treasurer
* Councillor James Dornan
* Councillor Aileen Colleran
4 Independent Directors:
* The Rt Hon The Lord Macfarlane of Bearsden KT
* Sir Angus Grossart
* The Rt Hon George Reid
* The Lord Stevenson of Coddenham
Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow
* Bridget McConnell
And they're basic company info can be found here:
http://tinyurl.com/2
b7zer
Don't know if that helps anyone out - but the board sure do have a lot of names on it I recognise.
-Scott
CULTURE AND SPORT GLASGOW BOARD MEMBERS:
Culture and Sport Glasgow reports to a Board of 11 Directors, which comprises six elected members, four independent Directors and the Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow.
Elected Members:
* Bailie Liz Cameron (Chair)
* Councillor Steven Purcell, Leader of the Council
* Councillor Archie Graham, Executive Member for Culture and Sport
* Councillor Stephen Curran, City Treasurer
* Councillor James Dornan
* Councillor Aileen Colleran
4 Independent Directors:
* The Rt Hon The Lord Macfarlane of Bearsden KT
* Sir Angus Grossart
* The Rt Hon George Reid
* The Lord Stevenson of Coddenham
Chief Executive of Culture and Sport Glasgow
* Bridget McConnell
And they're basic company info can be found here:
http://tinyurl.com/2
b7zer
Don't know if that helps anyone out - but the board sure do have a lot of names on it I recognise.
-Scott
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 5:13pm Tue 25 Mar 08
do you really think folk are going to pay £25 a head for this or 20 for children? I dont use the park but think this is a bad idea and is just a money making decision. how soon before health and safety close it down anyway!!
do you really think folk are going to pay £25 a head for this or 20 for children? I dont use the park but think this is a bad idea and is just a money making decision. how soon before health and safety close it down anyway!!
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 5:14pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]sb1987[/bold] wrote:
Dont vote for labour next time people at the next elections for what they have done is a disgrace to glasgow and the host city of the 2014 commonwealth games. [/quote] Get it right,2014 will see games to provide wealth for the uncommon
sb1987 wrote:
Dont vote for labour next time people at the next elections for what they have done is a disgrace to glasgow and the host city of the 2014 commonwealth games.
Get it right,2014 will see games to provide wealth for the uncommon
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:18pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]sb1987[/bold] wrote:
The council leader should resign for this NO MORE LABOUR Lets rally to george square right now and tell them what we think and what we have to say[/quote]
Well said, sb1987!
Just a shame so few of us have that level of gusto, and drive to show the City Council exactly what we think of their so called representation of us - the electorate - who pay their salaries - and who voted them in!
( more fool the idiots who voted new labour!)
The revolt is happening, slowly but surely, we've had the anti-war demonstrations, protests of varying degrees - but I think we seriously need to up the tempo to make the national news - and make the MSP's sit up and take notice!
I do not advocate violence, but - I certainly am sick and tired of the level of public apathy.
Folk must get up off their butts and tell this shi*ty council exactly what we think of them!
Hopefully this decision will be un- rubber stamped, and given the red light - as the public feeling was clear - and has blatantly been ignored!
sb1987 wrote:
The council leader should resign for this NO MORE LABOUR Lets rally to george square right now and tell them what we think and what we have to say
Well said, sb1987!
Just a shame so few of us have that level of gusto, and drive to show the City Council exactly what we think of their so called representation of us - the electorate - who pay their salaries - and who voted them in!
( more fool the idiots who voted new labour!)
The revolt is happening, slowly but surely, we've had the anti-war demonstrations, protests of varying degrees - but I think we seriously need to up the tempo to make the national news - and make the MSP's sit up and take notice!
I do not advocate violence, but - I certainly am sick and tired of the level of public apathy.
Folk must get up off their butts and tell this shi*ty council exactly what we think of them!
Hopefully this decision will be un- rubber stamped, and given the red light - as the public feeling was clear - and has blatantly been ignored!
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 5:25pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]OAP[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sb1987[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]OAP[/bold] wrote: I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones The more facialities provided in our parks the better[/quote] You have got it all wrong we dont want anyone to build anythink in glasgow like this and we will fight it all the way and it starts tomorrow at city chambers 12:15pm so watch out Labour because your next it reminds us all of the poll tax ant torries under thatcher in the 80's[/quote] Who do you think you are "We" is you and a handful. The vast majority of Glaswegians would support this project.
Your bully boy tactics didn't work with the Councillors. I don't vote Labour and never will but this was a cross party decision
[bold][bold]GET OVER IT YOU LOST YOUR CASE[/bold]
PARKS 4 PEOPLE KEEP OUT THE DOGS[/bold] [/quote] OAP,[bold](if indeed you are one because most pensioners are actually nice people)[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic] ,you are so in the wrong.The majority of people in Glasgow do not support this project, we are disgusted in the cross party decision to sell off our green spaces..This is not finished as we the owners of the parks are not going to sit back & take this crap from the council..
As for your rant on dogs, let mes assure you that it is the irresponsible owners who allow their dogs to s**t every where not those who truly care about the area in which they live & play..
Now you get over yourself & stop being so bitter..
Parks for dogs & people..............
..
OAP wrote:
sb1987 wrote:
OAP wrote: I am delighted that Go Ape has been approved. A victory for Parks 4 People and a defeat for Parks 4 Dogs People must reclaim our parks and keep dogs and their s**t out. A fenched off area should be created in some parks for dog owners to use but with an admission charge and the remainder of our parks and open spaces declared dog free zones The more facialities provided in our parks the better
You have got it all wrong we dont want anyone to build anythink in glasgow like this and we will fight it all the way and it starts tomorrow at city chambers 12:15pm so watch out Labour because your next it reminds us all of the poll tax ant torries under thatcher in the 80's
Who do you think you are "We" is you and a handful. The vast majority of Glaswegians would support this project.
Your bully boy tactics didn't work with the Councillors. I don't vote Labour and never will but this was a cross party decision
GET OVER IT YOU LOST YOUR CASE
PARKS 4 PEOPLE KEEP OUT THE DOGS
OAP,
(if indeed you are one because most pensioners are actually nice people) ,you are so in the wrong.The majority of people in Glasgow do not support this project, we are disgusted in the cross party decision to sell off our green spaces..This is not finished as we the owners of the parks are not going to sit back & take this crap from the council..
As for your rant on dogs, let mes assure you that it is the irresponsible owners who allow their dogs to s**t every where not those who truly care about the area in which they live & play..
Now you get over yourself & stop being so bitter..
Parks for dogs & people..............
..
Posted by: Vera Smart on 5:25pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Just to echo what others have said - there are two things we can still do here:
1. NEVER vote Labour again, make them pay for their arrogance.
2. NEVER use the Go Ape facilities. Show them that our public spaces are not for private profit.
Just to echo what others have said - there are two things we can still do here:
1. NEVER vote Labour again, make them pay for their arrogance.
2. NEVER use the Go Ape facilities. Show them that our public spaces are not for private profit.
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 5:27pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]SwimFishSwim[/bold] wrote:
I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014! The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.[/quote] Well as someone else has posted Bellahouston Park,but while we're on the subject of public areas being sold off,when was the last time anyone was able to enjoy the whole of George Square?
SwimFishSwim wrote:
I'm waiting now for the council to claim that the facility will have to be built as they want to introduce deathsliding and ropeswinging as a sport for the commonwealth games in 2014! The Botanics, Pollok Park, i wonder which of are parks is going to be sold off next by the thieves in George Square.
Well as someone else has posted Bellahouston Park,but while we're on the subject of public areas being sold off,when was the last time anyone was able to enjoy the whole of George Square?
Posted by: boldyin, Partick, glasgow on 5:31pm Tue 25 Mar 08
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!!
Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions. I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!!
Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions. I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.
Posted by: teamdroid on 5:31pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Shocking decision. As the council's making money out of this (funny that), the decision will be referred to Holyrood.
Ashamed to say I put the SNP high up my preference list at the council election, so I'm partly responsible for Deans getting elected. If he's standing again, the SNP won't be getting my vote at all in the council election, along with Labour.
Oh, and OAP above, what are you on? What makes you think approving Go Ape will keep the dogs out of Pollok Park?
Shocking decision. As the council's making money out of this (funny that), the decision will be referred to Holyrood.
Ashamed to say I put the SNP high up my preference list at the council election, so I'm partly responsible for Deans getting elected. If he's standing again, the SNP won't be getting my vote at all in the council election, along with Labour.
Oh, and OAP above, what are you on? What makes you think approving Go Ape will keep the dogs out of Pollok Park?
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 5:37pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jim Brown[/bold] wrote:
As far as I am aware at least one SNP member voted for in favour. So why is it just labour that are a disgrace!?!? Looking forward now to the SNP Scottish Executive making a no-political decision on this.[/quote] What,as they did in Aberdeen?The pigs will always vote for the gravy train regardless of political affiliations.
Jim Brown wrote:
As far as I am aware at least one SNP member voted for in favour. So why is it just labour that are a disgrace!?!? Looking forward now to the SNP Scottish Executive making a no-political decision on this.
What,as they did in Aberdeen?The pigs will always vote for the gravy train regardless of political affiliations.
Posted by: snap c, glasgow on 5:39pm Tue 25 Mar 08
well done glasgow city council,i and loads of people from work and my kids and , friends cant wait to try this ,,well done agian good for the city and tourists .
well done glasgow city council,i and loads of people from work and my kids and , friends cant wait to try this ,,well done agian good for the city and tourists .
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:39pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]boldyin[/bold] wrote:
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!! Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions. I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.[/quote]
The only ones who've showed their childish & naieve ways are our Councillors - they've done worse than spat any dummy out - they've puked all over us & showed complete disregard for the public opposition to this.
So, boldyin get your facts right and see this Council for the corrupt lot they are.
The unofficial hand shake with "Go Ape" from the start was a sure sign that GCC were not going to listen to or acknowlege the people.
And surprise surprise - they've given "Go Ape" the green light - well I could of spotted that a mile off.
Well seeing these planning dept councillors clearly don't use Pollok Park as their local amenety, or respect their "dear green space!"
Bunch of muppets the lost of them!
Keep the reminders of them coming Scott! Nice touch!
boldyin wrote:
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!! Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions. I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.
The only ones who've showed their childish & naieve ways are our Councillors - they've done worse than spat any dummy out - they've puked all over us & showed complete disregard for the public opposition to this.
So, boldyin get your facts right and see this Council for the corrupt lot they are.
The unofficial hand shake with "Go Ape" from the start was a sure sign that GCC were not going to listen to or acknowlege the people.
And surprise surprise - they've given "Go Ape" the green light - well I could of spotted that a mile off.
Well seeing these planning dept councillors clearly don't use Pollok Park as their local amenety, or respect their "dear green space!"
Bunch of muppets the lost of them!
Keep the reminders of them coming Scott! Nice touch!
Posted by: Jim Brown, glasgow on 5:46pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Oh dear Sydney, did you forget to take your pills this morning?
Oh dear Sydney, did you forget to take your pills this morning?
Posted by: JC, Renfrewshire on 5:47pm Tue 25 Mar 08
No politician can be trusted and it always has been and always will be. I have to ask what's in it for them. Watch the telly news for the bullsh** specials!
No politician can be trusted and it always has been and always will be. I have to ask what's in it for them. Watch the telly news for the bullsh** specials!
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 5:48pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Posted by: boldyin, Partick, glasgow on 5:31pm today[/bold]
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!![/quote]
As oppose to the '900 unemployment benefit claimants' theories that would spring up if all 900 people had been able to make it.
[quote]Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions.[/quote]
Erm...I wouldn't talk to Ruth Simpson about that one...she feels you had your opportunity to respond and didn't take it.
[quote]I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.[/quote]
I'm a bit too old for dummies, so I'll tell you straight - check the evidence.
There is enough valid concerns for the possibility of corruption spread throughout this entire proposal that an inquiry will not have to delve far to find what will, without question, float up.
-Scott
Posted by: boldyin, Partick, glasgow on 5:31pm today
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!!
As oppose to the '900 unemployment benefit claimants' theories that would spring up if all 900 people had been able to make it.
Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions.
Erm...I wouldn't talk to Ruth Simpson about that one...she feels you had your opportunity to respond and didn't take it.
I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.
I'm a bit too old for dummies, so I'll tell you straight - check the evidence.
There is enough valid concerns for the possibility of corruption spread throughout this entire proposal that an inquiry will not have to delve far to find what will, without question, float up.
-Scott
Posted by: Whoop-de_doo, Arizona on 5:53pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Glad I dont live in the vicinity.
For sure an ape will escape one day !
Glad I dont live in the vicinity.
For sure an ape will escape one day !
Posted by: Enzo, Glasgow on 6:46pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Democracy? Don't make me laugh. This is arrogance of the highest political order. I was at the protest today and was amazed at the large acreage this course covers. The few cooncillors who bothered to go inside the Burrell collection would have clearly seen one of the structures visible from the rear of the building. God help us if these people are 'representing' us.
Democracy? Don't make me laugh. This is arrogance of the highest political order. I was at the protest today and was amazed at the large acreage this course covers. The few cooncillors who bothered to go inside the Burrell collection would have clearly seen one of the structures visible from the rear of the building. God help us if these people are 'representing' us.
Posted by: westender, west end on 7:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
This decision is simply scandalous. It indicates perfectly the amount of contempt with which the public 'servants' in the city chambers views the electorate. There is no doubt whatsoever that this facility is not wanted where they seek to put it. There is no doubt that the so-called 'consultation process' has been shown to have been well dodgy. There is no doubt whatsoever that the council is diregarding utterly the strength of feeling against this development. I don't know why these people want to do the jobs they are doing. I don't know how they sleep at night.
Pollok Park was GIFTED to the citizens. How [bold]dare[/bold] the council think they have a right to generate profit from it.
If Glasgow *must* have Go Ape, why can't it be put it in a place where people actually want it? Why not further along the river, near Xscape?
The plain fact remains: there [bold]has[/bold] been a huge outcry against this development in this location, and this council [bold]does[/bold] seek to ignore it entirely. A parcel o rogues.
ps: I don't think there'e a hope in hell of this facility still being any kind of going concern in say, 5 years' time, in this city at those prices.
This decision is simply scandalous. It indicates perfectly the amount of contempt with which the public 'servants' in the city chambers views the electorate. There is no doubt whatsoever that this facility is not wanted where they seek to put it. There is no doubt that the so-called 'consultation process' has been shown to have been well dodgy. There is no doubt whatsoever that the council is diregarding utterly the strength of feeling against this development. I don't know why these people want to do the jobs they are doing. I don't know how they sleep at night.
Pollok Park was GIFTED to the citizens. How
dare the council think they have a right to generate profit from it.
If Glasgow *must* have Go Ape, why can't it be put it in a place where people actually want it? Why not further along the river, near Xscape?
The plain fact remains: there
has been a huge outcry against this development in this location, and this council
does seek to ignore it entirely. A parcel o rogues.
ps: I don't think there'e a hope in hell of this facility still being any kind of going concern in say, 5 years' time, in this city at those prices.
Posted by: Trish, Pollok on 8:12pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]boldyin[/bold] wrote:
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!! Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions. I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.[/quote] Sorry Boldyin, I had to laugh at your confusion due to your irateness. You either 'throw the toys oot the pram' or you 'spit the dummy oot'. Still, the sentiment is there nonetheless. <facecoversmiley>
boldyin wrote:
900 objections and 60 protestors bother to turn up. Wooooooooooooo!!! Whatever the project you will always find some folk who don't want it. But what about the people who do want it has anyone canvassed our opinions. I'm all for it and the city fathers have done alright by my book. So less of the corruption claims just because you didn't get what you wanted you have spat the dummy out of the pram.
Sorry Boldyin, I had to laugh at your confusion due to your irateness. You either 'throw the toys oot the pram' or you 'spit the dummy oot'. Still, the sentiment is there nonetheless. <facecoversmiley>
Posted by: David, Glasgow on 8:23pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Labour appear heart set on waging a war against the ordinary people of Glasgow.
Labour appear heart set on waging a war against the ordinary people of Glasgow.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 8:32pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]Westender, Scott, Vera, in fact almost everyone apart from the usual council lackies, I agree with you 100%[/bold]
One thing though: forget about the council being worried about not selling enough tickets or the cost being too much for Glasgow children. The whole plan is to turn Pollok Park into a '[bold]conference theme park[/bold]', where well-heeled business visitors will be able to relax and enjoy the facilities, free from the interference of the general Glaswegian public.
Westender, Scott, Vera, in fact almost everyone apart from the usual council lackies, I agree with you 100%
One thing though: forget about the council being worried about not selling enough tickets or the cost being too much for Glasgow children. The whole plan is to turn Pollok Park into a '
conference theme park', where well-heeled business visitors will be able to relax and enjoy the facilities, free from the interference of the general Glaswegian public.
Posted by: dan, West end on 8:41pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Last year proposals were put forward to sell off Dawsholm Park for development and there has been silence from the council on that.
Having visited the park on a number of occasions and dismayed that any sane organisation would wish to meddle or interfere with such a beautiful public asset can I suggest that the core of protesters,if not already done,form a steering committee and question every step of the consultation progress,how it was delivered,who was asked,any environmental impact and question the qualifications of the 14 Planning Committee members.This issue and procedure is totally open to legal questions.Is the Park not owned by the public?
Last year proposals were put forward to sell off Dawsholm Park for development and there has been silence from the council on that.
Having visited the park on a number of occasions and dismayed that any sane organisation would wish to meddle or interfere with such a beautiful public asset can I suggest that the core of protesters,if not already done,form a steering committee and question every step of the consultation progress,how it was delivered,who was asked,any environmental impact and question the qualifications of the 14 Planning Committee members.This issue and procedure is totally open to legal questions.Is the Park not owned by the public?
Posted by: Forbes Aiken, Glasgow on 8:44pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Having attended the public meetings organised by Save Pollok Park I am confident that these gatherings and those in attendence were far from being the natural representatives of the poor and dispossessed.
I strongly suspect that the cross party group of 14 councillors who supported this application have a far better understanding of their elctorate and the needs of the people of Glasgow than the protesters would give them credit for.
The City Council has invested heavily in improving leisure and cultural facilities and a quick look at the success which is Kelvingrove and several others I could name prove the point. The Council invest, at times with the help and support of private enterprise, and visitors arrive in their thousands.
I am confident that the overwhelming majority of the 2 million users per year of Pollok Park will welcome yet another popular addition to Europe's Best Park.
Having attended the public meetings organised by Save Pollok Park I am confident that these gatherings and those in attendence were far from being the natural representatives of the poor and dispossessed.
I strongly suspect that the cross party group of 14 councillors who supported this application have a far better understanding of their elctorate and the needs of the people of Glasgow than the protesters would give them credit for.
The City Council has invested heavily in improving leisure and cultural facilities and a quick look at the success which is Kelvingrove and several others I could name prove the point. The Council invest, at times with the help and support of private enterprise, and visitors arrive in their thousands.
I am confident that the overwhelming majority of the 2 million users per year of Pollok Park will welcome yet another popular addition to Europe's Best Park.
Posted by: dan, West end on 8:52pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I got cut off but would like to refer all interested parties to www.savefreobeaches.
com
where I have relatives and where I will be living soon.In this case public opposition,backed up with a well presented,informed
and articulate pressure group has obliged the Fremantle Council(thats Western Australia mate!) to step back and look again at the proposal to take over the local beaches,used by all the Community,for housing and the building of three storey boat storage pens.
Do it.
Dan
I got cut off but would like to refer all interested parties to www.savefreobeaches.
com
where I have relatives and where I will be living soon.In this case public opposition,backed up with a well presented,informed
and articulate pressure group has obliged the Fremantle Council(thats Western Australia mate!) to step back and look again at the proposal to take over the local beaches,used by all the Community,for housing and the building of three storey boat storage pens.
Do it.
Dan
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 8:53pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Talking about council lackies, here's wee Forbes right on cue... not seen him since I humiliated him over the Sunday Mirror article referred to above, and then he took the huff because I revealed how the good people Essex had turned down a similar Go Ape proposal at Thordon Country Park... [bold]what a loser[/bold]!
Talking about council lackies, here's wee Forbes right on cue... not seen him since I humiliated him over the Sunday Mirror article referred to above, and then he took the huff because I revealed how the good people Essex had turned down a similar Go Ape proposal at Thordon Country Park...
what a loser!
Posted by: dan, West end on 9:15pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Mr Aitken,
Where does poor and dispossessed enter this equation.I have not taken part in any meeting and I suspect that persons at the meetings would not purport to represent the poor and dispossessed but merely the citizens of Glasgow as a whole who own the park.Re the 14 councillors,I would dearly love to know the criteria,their knowledge, their advisors,perhaps a Council Parks department employee,that has led them to this decision.
Their decision, if upheld,the way I see it means the end of Glasgows Public Parks as we know them.Open door for private investors.
Massive decisions by people elected and brings to my mind an issue put so fine by the late great Sir Robin Day,BBC, on questioning John Nott,called him, the defence secretary at the time of the Falklands War," a here today,gone tomorrow politican"Glasgow Council is full of them.
Thats whats happening here.
Maybe not on the same scale but leaving a big impact.
Mr Aitken,
Where does poor and dispossessed enter this equation.I have not taken part in any meeting and I suspect that persons at the meetings would not purport to represent the poor and dispossessed but merely the citizens of Glasgow as a whole who own the park.Re the 14 councillors,I would dearly love to know the criteria,their knowledge, their advisors,perhaps a Council Parks department employee,that has led them to this decision.
Their decision, if upheld,the way I see it means the end of Glasgows Public Parks as we know them.Open door for private investors.
Massive decisions by people elected and brings to my mind an issue put so fine by the late great Sir Robin Day,BBC, on questioning John Nott,called him, the defence secretary at the time of the Falklands War," a here today,gone tomorrow politican"Glasgow Council is full of them.
Thats whats happening here.
Maybe not on the same scale but leaving a big impact.
Posted by: flyingscot, Crookston on 9:22pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Hmm, what did they expect. Rarely do councillors ignore books, codes etc and look at what the people they represent desire- this case was going to be no different.
Hmm, what did they expect. Rarely do councillors ignore books, codes etc and look at what the people they represent desire- this case was going to be no different.
Posted by: Jim Brown, glasgow on 9:22pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Sydney
Once again you expose yourself as some sort of anti-democratic (nat) fanatic. Do you really believe that everyone who dares to disagree with your view is a council lackey?!
Those making the decison have been democratically elected and can be held accountable at the ballot box.
As you seem to know it all and think every one agrees with you and that you are in tune with the public mood, why don't you stand for election?
Alternatively use some of your green ink to write a letter to the Herald- as you would clearly be at home there. Mind you I doubt they'd publish anything from you, the letters in the Herald are within the realms of the law, unlike your demented ramblings.
Sydney
Once again you expose yourself as some sort of anti-democratic (nat) fanatic. Do you really believe that everyone who dares to disagree with your view is a council lackey?!
Those making the decison have been democratically elected and can be held accountable at the ballot box.
As you seem to know it all and think every one agrees with you and that you are in tune with the public mood, why don't you stand for election?
Alternatively use some of your green ink to write a letter to the Herald- as you would clearly be at home there. Mind you I doubt they'd publish anything from you, the letters in the Herald are within the realms of the law, unlike your demented ramblings.
Posted by: snap c, glasgow on 9:29pm Tue 25 Mar 08
getting very bored with this lets get back to the real world,,the scumbag who stabbed another person 80 times and only got 15years,come on its only a small bit and a couple of trees,lets get back to the .real world. whats worth more??????????
getting very bored with this lets get back to the real world,,the scumbag who stabbed another person 80 times and only got 15years,come on its only a small bit and a couple of trees,lets get back to the .real world. whats worth more??????????
Posted by: Happy Harry, Glasgow on 9:38pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Todays decision was a triumph for democracy. That is the sort of democracy were planning decisions are taken by elected representitives not by a self intrested minority who claim to represent the majority opinion without any right to do so.
By the way, if people are so concerned about go ape charging people to access a small area of the park why has there never been a campaign to stop the NTS charging £8 to enter Pollok House during the summer.
Todays decision was a triumph for democracy. That is the sort of democracy were planning decisions are taken by elected representitives not by a self intrested minority who claim to represent the majority opinion without any right to do so.
By the way, if people are so concerned about go ape charging people to access a small area of the park why has there never been a campaign to stop the NTS charging £8 to enter Pollok House during the summer.
Posted by: terencej72, g43 on 9:43pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Let's not forget that the grandson of Sir Jake himself spoke out against this venture.
This park was GIFTED to the people of Glasgow by Sir John's (Jake's) widow i am led to believe on the assumtion it would remain largely intact and free from commercial development.
As there is next to hee-haw left of Bellahousten Park why not build Go-Ape there?.
We all know why this was done because GCC doesn't want to pick up the maintenence tab for Pollok Park. Fine build the Go-Ape facility somewhere else where it can be easier accessed (it's going to be at least a half mile drive from any of the boundaries to this place) or is that the next plan?- to ripup up even more of the park to build another road for easier access.
What about the deer population in that part of the park?
There should be parks left largely untouched where people can go for a quiet stroll or a bike ride with their family without young guys tearing round the park in massive pickup trucks (cause that's the type of people this will appeal to) desperate to get to this place.
A scandelous decision to let Go-Ape setup shop in Pollok Park when there are better places - Xscape, Bellahousten Park where it could have went.
Let's not forget that the grandson of Sir Jake himself spoke out against this venture.
This park was GIFTED to the people of Glasgow by Sir John's (Jake's) widow i am led to believe on the assumtion it would remain largely intact and free from commercial development.
As there is next to hee-haw left of Bellahousten Park why not build Go-Ape there?.
We all know why this was done because GCC doesn't want to pick up the maintenence tab for Pollok Park. Fine build the Go-Ape facility somewhere else where it can be easier accessed (it's going to be at least a half mile drive from any of the boundaries to this place) or is that the next plan?- to ripup up even more of the park to build another road for easier access.
What about the deer population in that part of the park?
There should be parks left largely untouched where people can go for a quiet stroll or a bike ride with their family without young guys tearing round the park in massive pickup trucks (cause that's the type of people this will appeal to) desperate to get to this place.
A scandelous decision to let Go-Ape setup shop in Pollok Park when there are better places - Xscape, Bellahousten Park where it could have went.
Posted by: Scott, Glasgow on 9:50pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Harpo, have you read anything to do with the Save Pollok Park campaign?
From the look of your post here and the one at The Herald you don't seem to have.
It's not about people claiming anything other than for the due process of consultation to have been brought in more effectively and earlier (ie. prior to signing a contract with Go Ape!) and for the rule of law to be followed by those elected to represent the citizens of Glasgow.
We could all play a game of 'What about this or that?' but the fact of the matter is that Glasgow City Council were underhand in their dealings with this proposal from the outset.
You are obviously interested in voicing your opinion, something that I would die to defend, but are missing the important elements of the debate which require debate.
I implore you to do a fact finding mission and then counter, if you still feel the need to, with your opinion and/or facts that can be verified.
There is a wide section of Glasgow's people involved here from all walks of life - this is no small deal.
-Scott
Harpo, have you read anything to do with the Save Pollok Park campaign?
From the look of your post here and the one at The Herald you don't seem to have.
It's not about people claiming anything other than for the due process of consultation to have been brought in more effectively and earlier (ie. prior to signing a contract with Go Ape!) and for the rule of law to be followed by those elected to represent the citizens of Glasgow.
We could all play a game of 'What about this or that?' but the fact of the matter is that Glasgow City Council were underhand in their dealings with this proposal from the outset.
You are obviously interested in voicing your opinion, something that I would die to defend, but are missing the important elements of the debate which require debate.
I implore you to do a fact finding mission and then counter, if you still feel the need to, with your opinion and/or facts that can be verified.
There is a wide section of Glasgow's people involved here from all walks of life - this is no small deal.
-Scott
Posted by: JokeyW, Sunny Govan on 9:53pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING DECISION BY A GROUP OF COUNCILLORS WHO ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH WITH ORDINARY PEOPLE.[/bold]
Some clown above scorned the fact that only 100 or so protesters turned up between Pollok Park and City Chambers -- how many public supporters of the Go Ape plan turned up?
A BIG ZERO - just like our council!
THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING DECISION BY A GROUP OF COUNCILLORS WHO ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH WITH ORDINARY PEOPLE.
Some clown above scorned the fact that only 100 or so protesters turned up between Pollok Park and City Chambers -- how many public supporters of the Go Ape plan turned up?
A BIG ZERO - just like our council!
Posted by: JamesP, Glasgow on 11:06pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I'm all in favour of Go Ape opening up in the park. Surely something that brings more people into the park can only be a good thing.
And if using these facilities encourages kids to want to explore more of the fantastic natural outdoors we are lucky to have here in Scotland that can only be a good thing too.
I was brought up in Drumchapel and used Drumchapel Park regularly and it had a playpark, putting green, bowling green and tennis courts that we all made use of back in the day. I'm sure if it was just a green square I, as a kid, wouldn't have wanted to go near the place.
I'm a southsider now, one of the reasons I like the southside so much is my closeness to Bellahouston, Queens, Maxwell and Pollok Parks and I think any facilities that encourage more council tax paying Glaswegians to use their parks is a good thing.
Some people dont like change and just like to jump on bandwagons. I spoke to someone who said they didnt object to Go Ape in principal but still make complaints about the project because of the way the council went about it. I think that is a different argument.
I'm all in favour of Go Ape opening up in the park. Surely something that brings more people into the park can only be a good thing.
And if using these facilities encourages kids to want to explore more of the fantastic natural outdoors we are lucky to have here in Scotland that can only be a good thing too.
I was brought up in Drumchapel and used Drumchapel Park regularly and it had a playpark, putting green, bowling green and tennis courts that we all made use of back in the day. I'm sure if it was just a green square I, as a kid, wouldn't have wanted to go near the place.
I'm a southsider now, one of the reasons I like the southside so much is my closeness to Bellahouston, Queens, Maxwell and Pollok Parks and I think any facilities that encourage more council tax paying Glaswegians to use their parks is a good thing.
Some people dont like change and just like to jump on bandwagons. I spoke to someone who said they didnt object to Go Ape in principal but still make complaints about the project because of the way the council went about it. I think that is a different argument.
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 11:16pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]JamesP[/bold] wrote:
I'm all in favour of Go Ape opening up in the park. Surely something that brings more people into the park can only be a good thing.
And if using these facilities encourages kids to want to explore more of the fantastic natural outdoors we are lucky to have here in Scotland that can only be a good thing too.
I was brought up in Drumchapel and used Drumchapel Park regularly and it had a playpark, putting green, bowling green and tennis courts that we all made use of back in the day. I'm sure if it was just a green square I, as a kid, wouldn't have wanted to go near the place.
I'm a southsider now, one of the reasons I like the southside so much is my closeness to Bellahouston, Queens, Maxwell and Pollok Parks and I think any facilities that encourage more council tax paying Glaswegians to use their parks is a good thing.
Some people dont like change and just like to jump on bandwagons. I spoke to someone who said they didnt object to Go Ape in principal but still make complaints about the project because of the way the council went about it. I think that is a different argument. [/quote]
2 million folk already use this park every year. As a regular park user I am always impressed by the number and mix of folk who use Pollok Park, this includes large numbers of young folk. I dont think this particular park requires nay more development if it was good enough to be voted best park in Europe why would it need developed. I can however think of many parks in Glasgow that could do with significant development, which leaves me to ask why Pollok, I am left with the thought that it is to do with a private company wanting to tap into the already large number of visitors to this park and to do so without having to invest in any infrastructure.
By the way I have used Go APe in 2 locations and it is brilliant, but this location is just so wrong
JamesP wrote:
I'm all in favour of Go Ape opening up in the park. Surely something that brings more people into the park can only be a good thing.
And if using these facilities encourages kids to want to explore more of the fantastic natural outdoors we are lucky to have here in Scotland that can only be a good thing too.
I was brought up in Drumchapel and used Drumchapel Park regularly and it had a playpark, putting green, bowling green and tennis courts that we all made use of back in the day. I'm sure if it was just a green square I, as a kid, wouldn't have wanted to go near the place.
I'm a southsider now, one of the reasons I like the southside so much is my closeness to Bellahouston, Queens, Maxwell and Pollok Parks and I think any facilities that encourage more council tax paying Glaswegians to use their parks is a good thing.
Some people dont like change and just like to jump on bandwagons. I spoke to someone who said they didnt object to Go Ape in principal but still make complaints about the project because of the way the council went about it. I think that is a different argument.
2 million folk already use this park every year. As a regular park user I am always impressed by the number and mix of folk who use Pollok Park, this includes large numbers of young folk. I dont think this particular park requires nay more development if it was good enough to be voted best park in Europe why would it need developed. I can however think of many parks in Glasgow that could do with significant development, which leaves me to ask why Pollok, I am left with the thought that it is to do with a private company wanting to tap into the already large number of visitors to this park and to do so without having to invest in any infrastructure.
By the way I have used Go APe in 2 locations and it is brilliant, but this location is just so wrong
Posted by: stuart1981, Pollok on 12:02am Wed 26 Mar 08
I think its [bold]great news[/bold] , i've to the one in Aberfoyle both to take part and also for a walk and it was great. I use Pollok park at least once a fortnight (more in summer) and i think this will enhance my experience of the park, it will add a buzz of excitment whenever i go. Even when i'm not using it you will see people high on adrenalin.I like when people wizz past me on their bikes, its what the great outdoors is all about
I think its
great news , i've to the one in Aberfoyle both to take part and also for a walk and it was great. I use Pollok park at least once a fortnight (more in summer) and i think this will enhance my experience of the park, it will add a buzz of excitment whenever i go. Even when i'm not using it you will see people high on adrenalin.I like when people wizz past me on their bikes, its what the great outdoors is all about
Posted by: Pat Gallagher, Pollokshields on 12:30am Wed 26 Mar 08
GCC have cheated the electorate in the manner that they have gone about acheiving planning consent for the Go Ape site in Pollok Park. It's fairly obvious the people of Glasgow dont want it, but what do they care. Pollok Park for decades has been a welcome escape within the city from the dustbin that is Glasgow. (Labour controlled dustbin). This council who cant even keep our city streets clean, now try and vandalise one of our treasures. I will never again vote Labour, at council or at national level. A shower of wasters!
GCC have cheated the electorate in the manner that they have gone about acheiving planning consent for the Go Ape site in Pollok Park. It's fairly obvious the people of Glasgow dont want it, but what do they care. Pollok Park for decades has been a welcome escape within the city from the dustbin that is Glasgow. (Labour controlled dustbin). This council who cant even keep our city streets clean, now try and vandalise one of our treasures. I will never again vote Labour, at council or at national level. A shower of wasters!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:32am Wed 26 Mar 08
is there a willing lawyer available to take up this case? the park was GIFTED to the people...surely the glasgow people have some say in the matter as to what should be done with it?what a lot of mean spirited councillors, what a way to treat the people who put them in power, total disreguard and aloofness , how dare they,....remember always be nice to the people on the way up, you might meet the same people on the way coming down.
is there a willing lawyer available to take up this case? the park was GIFTED to the people...surely the glasgow people have some say in the matter as to what should be done with it?what a lot of mean spirited councillors, what a way to treat the people who put them in power, total disreguard and aloofness , how dare they,....remember always be nice to the people on the way up, you might meet the same people on the way coming down.
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