Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:06am Thu 27 Mar 08
If its anything like the Pollok Park fiasco, Tesco will have their store in Partick - MUCH TO THE DISSAPPROVAL OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE!
Can't let this happen - the ruination of Partck could just be around the corner!
If its anything like the Pollok Park fiasco, Tesco will have their store in Partick - MUCH TO THE DISSAPPROVAL OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE!
Can't let this happen - the ruination of Partck could just be around the corner!
Posted by: gmac, Germany on 1:29pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Bring back the scrap yard and travellers site!
Bring back the scrap yard and travellers site!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:41pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gmac[/bold] wrote:
Bring back the scrap yard and travellers site![/quote] Are you mad? That's like saying bring back Adams Scrapyard back to Parkhead Cross!
This area should be used for a mixture of developments both housing and retail with scope for leisure and possibly though it may be a bit too imaginitive for Glasgow, but public transport like a rail line (light rail perhaps) they could cut a line into the Exhinition Centre with a bit of investment, but no Tesco - they have too much money and too much power to do whatever they like and it may seem they will have some influence over our shady council and take up theis huge site for their own finiacial gain!
P1ss poor!
gmac wrote:
Bring back the scrap yard and travellers site!
Are you mad? That's like saying bring back Adams Scrapyard back to Parkhead Cross!
This area should be used for a mixture of developments both housing and retail with scope for leisure and possibly though it may be a bit too imaginitive for Glasgow, but public transport like a rail line (light rail perhaps) they could cut a line into the Exhinition Centre with a bit of investment, but no Tesco - they have too much money and too much power to do whatever they like and it may seem they will have some influence over our shady council and take up theis huge site for their own finiacial gain!
P1ss poor!
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 1:50pm Thu 27 Mar 08
There was a story about allotments the other day http://www.eveningti
mes.co.uk/news/displ
ay.var.1621105.0.gar
deners_face_waiting_
nine_years_for_city_
plot.php there's a 7 year wait, why not create an area for allotments? Possibly a permanent area for the farmers market and for allotment growers to sell extra produce?
There was a story about allotments the other day http://www.eveningti
mes.co.uk/news/displ
ay.var.1621105.0.gar
deners_face_waiting_
nine_years_for_city_
plot.php there's a 7 year wait, why not create an area for allotments? Possibly a permanent area for the farmers market and for allotment growers to sell extra produce?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:20pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tarry breeks[/bold] wrote:
There was a story about allotments the other day http://www.eveningti mes.co.uk/news/displ ay.var.1621105.0.gar deners_face_waiting_ nine_years_for_city_ plot.php there's a 7 year wait, why not create an area for allotments? Possibly a permanent area for the farmers market and for allotment growers to sell extra produce?[/quote] Here Tarry - that is a fantastic idea - a wee bit like what people are trying to do across the water in Govan.
Partick belongs to the people who live there and in the surrounding districts - for that fact they should be given land to develop such an idea, which of course could create revenue to pay for any land fees etc - local people have a business to put back into the area instead of some multi national money grabbers who couldn't care less about the district, as long as they're raking it in to open up more stores and strangle the small trader, that's all that matters to them.
Tarry breeks wrote:
There was a story about allotments the other day http://www.eveningti mes.co.uk/news/displ ay.var.1621105.0.gar deners_face_waiting_ nine_years_for_city_ plot.php there's a 7 year wait, why not create an area for allotments? Possibly a permanent area for the farmers market and for allotment growers to sell extra produce?
Here Tarry - that is a fantastic idea - a wee bit like what people are trying to do across the water in Govan.
Partick belongs to the people who live there and in the surrounding districts - for that fact they should be given land to develop such an idea, which of course could create revenue to pay for any land fees etc - local people have a business to put back into the area instead of some multi national money grabbers who couldn't care less about the district, as long as they're raking it in to open up more stores and strangle the small trader, that's all that matters to them.
Posted by: Sam11183, Yorkhill on 2:32pm Thu 27 Mar 08
A correction of info in the article: There are 2,433 objections submitted to all applications by Tesco on the Council’s master list. In addition, there was a related petition lodged with the Scottish Parliament that gathered 594 signatures.
A correction of info in the article: There are 2,433 objections submitted to all applications by Tesco on the Council’s master list. In addition, there was a related petition lodged with the Scottish Parliament that gathered 594 signatures.
Posted by: Alan, West End on 3:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sam11183[/bold] wrote:
A correction of info in the article: There are 2,433 objections submitted to all applications by Tesco on the Council’s master list. In addition, there was a related petition lodged with the Scottish Parliament that gathered 594 signatures.
[/quote] So if you add these figures together (there will be some duplicates mind) and subtract it from the total local population - how many does that leave that do want it?
Sam11183 wrote:
A correction of info in the article: There are 2,433 objections submitted to all applications by Tesco on the Council’s master list. In addition, there was a related petition lodged with the Scottish Parliament that gathered 594 signatures.
So if you add these figures together (there will be some duplicates mind) and subtract it from the total local population - how many does that leave that do want it?
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 3:50pm Thu 27 Mar 08
It's dangerous, Alan, to assume that everyone who does not object therefore by default approves. There will be many who are unaware of what Tesco propose, many who are unaware of who to complain to or how to complain, many who will be jaded by the labour government and who will assume no matter what that the development will go ahead and there will also be people who support the plan.
Have you written a formal complaint about the holocausts? Assuming the answer is no, does that mean you fully supported them Alan?
It's dangerous, Alan, to assume that everyone who does not object therefore by default approves. There will be many who are unaware of what Tesco propose, many who are unaware of who to complain to or how to complain, many who will be jaded by the labour government and who will assume no matter what that the development will go ahead and there will also be people who support the plan.
Have you written a formal complaint about the holocausts? Assuming the answer is no, does that mean you fully supported them Alan?
Posted by: Alan, West End on 3:55pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Tarry breeks, I find your comparison of Tesco to the Holocaust in very bad taste. Is that the level you and the STOP brigade are going to stoop to?
Tarry breeks, I find your comparison of Tesco to the Holocaust in very bad taste. Is that the level you and the STOP brigade are going to stoop to?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:04pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Tarry breeks, I find your comparison of Tesco to the Holocaust in very bad taste. Is that the level you and the STOP brigade are going to stoop to?[/quote] I would say he was using such an atrocity as an example compared to the atrocity thats about to hit Partick 0 Aye, the Tesco Holocaust! That would be a fair assessment!
At the end of the day, why be against it that's unless you want to see Partick ending up like Shettleston or Govan Road - have they not been succumbed to their own holocaust? or a bigger one if you want to include the rest of Glasgow? Ironically all brought about as a result of national politics!
If this is not the case, then why has the papers and the media been full of nothing but bad news in realtion to the deprived and wasted parts of Glasgow for so many years, even if the media were scared to challenge the politicians themselves?
Alan wrote:
Tarry breeks, I find your comparison of Tesco to the Holocaust in very bad taste. Is that the level you and the STOP brigade are going to stoop to?
I would say he was using such an atrocity as an example compared to the atrocity thats about to hit Partick 0 Aye, the Tesco Holocaust! That would be a fair assessment!
At the end of the day, why be against it that's unless you want to see Partick ending up like Shettleston or Govan Road - have they not been succumbed to their own holocaust? or a bigger one if you want to include the rest of Glasgow? Ironically all brought about as a result of national politics!
If this is not the case, then why has the papers and the media been full of nothing but bad news in realtion to the deprived and wasted parts of Glasgow for so many years, even if the media were scared to challenge the politicians themselves?
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Tarry breeks, I find your comparison of Tesco to the Holocaust in very bad taste. Is that the level you and the STOP brigade are going to stoop to?[/quote] I would say he was using such an atrocity as an example compared to the atrocity thats about to hit Partick 0 Aye, the Tesco Holocaust! That would be a fair assessment! At the end of the day, why be against it that's unless you want to see Partick ending up like Shettleston or Govan Road - have they not been succumbed to their own holocaust? or a bigger one if you want to include the rest of Glasgow? Ironically all brought about as a result of national politics! If this is not the case, then why has the papers and the media been full of nothing but bad news in realtion to the deprived and wasted parts of Glasgow for so many years, even if the media were scared to challenge the politicians themselves?[/quote] I agree with you on this one TMC. I really hope this doesn't go through as it will be the death knell for Partick which is currently a cracking local area. Look at the mess that Bridgeton is in for example - loads of new flats and houses being built in the area but the cross area shops are mostly closed up. Oh and there just happens to be an Asda over at the Forge and a new Tesco on Dalmarnock Road in Rutherglen
The Missing City wrote:
Alan wrote: Tarry breeks, I find your comparison of Tesco to the Holocaust in very bad taste. Is that the level you and the STOP brigade are going to stoop to?
I would say he was using such an atrocity as an example compared to the atrocity thats about to hit Partick 0 Aye, the Tesco Holocaust! That would be a fair assessment! At the end of the day, why be against it that's unless you want to see Partick ending up like Shettleston or Govan Road - have they not been succumbed to their own holocaust? or a bigger one if you want to include the rest of Glasgow? Ironically all brought about as a result of national politics! If this is not the case, then why has the papers and the media been full of nothing but bad news in realtion to the deprived and wasted parts of Glasgow for so many years, even if the media were scared to challenge the politicians themselves?
I agree with you on this one TMC. I really hope this doesn't go through as it will be the death knell for Partick which is currently a cracking local area. Look at the mess that Bridgeton is in for example - loads of new flats and houses being built in the area but the cross area shops are mostly closed up. Oh and there just happens to be an Asda over at the Forge and a new Tesco on Dalmarnock Road in Rutherglen
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:08pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I'd prefer to leave the holocaust out of it...
But I do hope Tesco get a flea in their ear. I'm not against them, or supermarkets, or even a supermarket on this site (it would be quite handy), and I don't think that some of our low-grade local shops deserve special protection. But Tesco's proposals are inappropriate for this site - as they would be for any other inner urban area with existing traffic problems. Something smaller would be better - but that doesn't fit Tesco's corporate ambitions.
I'd prefer to leave the holocaust out of it...
But I do hope Tesco get a flea in their ear. I'm not against them, or supermarkets, or even a supermarket on this site (it would be quite handy), and I don't think that some of our low-grade local shops deserve special protection. But Tesco's proposals are inappropriate for this site - as they would be for any other inner urban area with existing traffic problems. Something smaller would be better - but that doesn't fit Tesco's corporate ambitions.
Posted by: zzipp67, Glasgow on 5:54pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
I'd prefer to leave the holocaust out of it... But I do hope Tesco get a flea in their ear. I'm not against them, or supermarkets, or even a supermarket on this site (it would be quite handy), and I don't think that some of our low-grade local shops deserve special protection. But Tesco's proposals are inappropriate for this site - as they would be for any other inner urban area with existing traffic problems. Something smaller would be better - but that doesn't fit Tesco's corporate ambitions.[/quote] Have you reviewed the planning submission?
Brad wrote:
I'd prefer to leave the holocaust out of it... But I do hope Tesco get a flea in their ear. I'm not against them, or supermarkets, or even a supermarket on this site (it would be quite handy), and I don't think that some of our low-grade local shops deserve special protection. But Tesco's proposals are inappropriate for this site - as they would be for any other inner urban area with existing traffic problems. Something smaller would be better - but that doesn't fit Tesco's corporate ambitions.
Have you reviewed the planning submission?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:40pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
If its anything like the Pollok Park fiasco, Tesco will have their store in Partick - MUCH TO THE DISSAPPROVAL OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE! Can't let this happen - the ruination of Partck could just be around the corner![/quote]
Fully agree Missing City!
Ironically - I was only told that the Tesco at the site of Maryhill Shopping Centre - which was due to be demolished may not go ahead.
Apparently due to the underground railway lines - tunnels which could prevent it being built. (Hope thats true!)
As for this Partick Tesco - its as much about the suitability of the site as the sheer amount of money the council stands to rake in from such a development.
The way in which it will kill a number of already struggling traders is clear.
The size & scale of the supermarket & student flats ? which were part of one of the applications is a huge issue of concern.
And the site itself - with poor accessability problems and the ridiculous notion that a "Gyratory System" could be put in place around Partick Cross to manage traffic - with buses being allowed to pass along Torness Street - which runs between Byres Road & Church Street - Complete idiocy & ludicracy!
GCC again clutching at straws in desperation to build on every spare piece of land, without thinking of the long term implications for a wide range of areas:
Traffic - congestion - pollution - noise.
(MORE Delivery lorries at all times of night.)
The scale of this project - out of proportion with many surrounding houses along Beith Street - dwarfing & shaddowing them from any natural daylight.
The locality of it may be fine for thsoe with cars - but its idea of what is local is a half hour journey - which will see people travelling miles more to get to it - all that adds up to more traffic on the already congested roads.
The way in which it will kill alot of local traders & shops - despite it's being cheaper.
What people forget is that Supermarkets can easily afford to be cheaper - not because that is the value of the goods on the shelves, but because they undercut the farmers, producers and those who they buy the food from in the first place.
So i.e. Farmers Markets are not expensive in relative terms - they are merely farmers charging what they should be getting in the first place for their meat, eggs & dairy produce etc from Supermarkets.
The Missing City wrote:
If its anything like the Pollok Park fiasco, Tesco will have their store in Partick - MUCH TO THE DISSAPPROVAL OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE! Can't let this happen - the ruination of Partck could just be around the corner!
Fully agree Missing City!
Ironically - I was only told that the Tesco at the site of Maryhill Shopping Centre - which was due to be demolished may not go ahead.
Apparently due to the underground railway lines - tunnels which could prevent it being built. (Hope thats true!)
As for this Partick Tesco - its as much about the suitability of the site as the sheer amount of money the council stands to rake in from such a development.
The way in which it will kill a number of already struggling traders is clear.
The size & scale of the supermarket & student flats ? which were part of one of the applications is a huge issue of concern.
And the site itself - with poor accessability problems and the ridiculous notion that a "Gyratory System" could be put in place around Partick Cross to manage traffic - with buses being allowed to pass along Torness Street - which runs between Byres Road & Church Street - Complete idiocy & ludicracy!
GCC again clutching at straws in desperation to build on every spare piece of land, without thinking of the long term implications for a wide range of areas:
Traffic - congestion - pollution - noise.
(MORE Delivery lorries at all times of night.)
The scale of this project - out of proportion with many surrounding houses along Beith Street - dwarfing & shaddowing them from any natural daylight.
The locality of it may be fine for thsoe with cars - but its idea of what is local is a half hour journey - which will see people travelling miles more to get to it - all that adds up to more traffic on the already congested roads.
The way in which it will kill alot of local traders & shops - despite it's being cheaper.
What people forget is that Supermarkets can easily afford to be cheaper - not because that is the value of the goods on the shelves, but because they undercut the farmers, producers and those who they buy the food from in the first place.
So i.e. Farmers Markets are not expensive in relative terms - they are merely farmers charging what they should be getting in the first place for their meat, eggs & dairy produce etc from Supermarkets.
Posted by: People Power on 7:47pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Councillor Aileen Colleran has also opposed the plan from the outset.[/quote]
And another coo flew by!
I'd be seriously dubious about anything that spouts from the mouths of our labour councillors - especially the whip!
Aileen Colleran may previously of shown support for the S.T.O.P. Campaign, in saying she opposes Tesco in Partick, but that was pre-election when she wanted to win our votes!
Since the post election period in my view she has been sitting on the fence - as so many councillors seem experts at - and saying very little publically - to avoid getting her nose out of joint.
I'd take everything she ways with a pinch of salt!
Councillor Aileen Colleran has also opposed the plan from the outset.
And another coo flew by!
I'd be seriously dubious about anything that spouts from the mouths of our labour councillors - especially the whip!
Aileen Colleran may previously of shown support for the S.T.O.P. Campaign, in saying she opposes Tesco in Partick, but that was pre-election when she wanted to win our votes!
Since the post election period in my view she has been sitting on the fence - as so many councillors seem experts at - and saying very little publically - to avoid getting her nose out of joint.
I'd take everything she ways with a pinch of salt!
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 8:27pm Thu 27 Mar 08
zzipp67, yes.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:47pm Thu 27 Mar 08
As far as I am aware there are 2 live planning applications being considered for Tesco on Beith Street.
As far as I am aware there are 2 live planning applications being considered for Tesco on Beith Street.
Posted by: clutha, partick on 11:36am Fri 28 Mar 08
There are still 3 live planning applications for the Beith Street site. 2 are the subject of the PLI.
What amazes me about previous comments is that so many ignore the facts presented on tv, in the papers, and personal experience that all over the UK this type of development HAS blighted areas where it happened.
But then sticking your head in the sand seems to be the British way.
There are still 3 live planning applications for the Beith Street site. 2 are the subject of the PLI.
What amazes me about previous comments is that so many ignore the facts presented on tv, in the papers, and personal experience that all over the UK this type of development HAS blighted areas where it happened.
But then sticking your head in the sand seems to be the British way.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:09pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What is even more scarey is the point that Tesco have only today announced that it is their intention to have a store in every postcode area of the UK!
So, we're all doomed to the multi-national giant stores - which kills the local economy, individualism, and the unique one off shops - which staff are often far more friendly in too.
Vote with your feet & boycott Tesco till it can pay its staff better wages & give them better terms & conditions.
Pay its suppliers - farmers etc far more than it does at present, and accept the damage its stores does in certain areas with their diversity of local shops - which it is killing.
What is even more scarey is the point that Tesco have only today announced that it is their intention to have a store in every postcode area of the UK!
So, we're all doomed to the multi-national giant stores - which kills the local economy, individualism, and the unique one off shops - which staff are often far more friendly in too.
Vote with your feet & boycott Tesco till it can pay its staff better wages & give them better terms & conditions.
Pay its suppliers - farmers etc far more than it does at present, and accept the damage its stores does in certain areas with their diversity of local shops - which it is killing.
Posted by: staypress, Partick on 4:55pm Mon 31 Mar 08
what annoys me is that people visit places like the west end precisely because there aren't any Tescos around. People like that feeling of being able to walk around at leisure. That's what gives it some character. That's why the farmer's market is there. If Tesco moves in then that character is severely reduced and I think it would also affect future tourism at both the Kelvingrove and Glasgow harbour areas.
what annoys me is that people visit places like the west end precisely because there aren't any Tescos around. People like that feeling of being able to walk around at leisure. That's what gives it some character. That's why the farmer's market is there. If Tesco moves in then that character is severely reduced and I think it would also affect future tourism at both the Kelvingrove and Glasgow harbour areas.
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