Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 11:41am Thu 27 Mar 08
Call me cynical, but would she have campaigned like this if she [italic]wasn't[/italic] suffering from Parkinson's?
Call me cynical, but would she have campaigned like this if she
wasn't suffering from Parkinson's?
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 11:46am Thu 27 Mar 08
Yes,yes,yes..The shoot horses dont they?..I work in the health sector & daily I deal with people who want to die but are unable to & are kept alive for years by medication.Even when there is no quality of life & the person is of sound mind they are still not allowed to chose death over terrible pain..
Why not bring in a living will where you can state if you wish to be assisted to die if the circumstances arise..
Before the pro-lifers & the Christian jump down my throat,im pro-life when there is quality of life & I am a Christian & the Christian thing is to help people & holding their hand when they want to go is a Christian act..
Yes,yes,yes..The shoot horses dont they?..I work in the health sector & daily I deal with people who want to die but are unable to & are kept alive for years by medication.Even when there is no quality of life & the person is of sound mind they are still not allowed to chose death over terrible pain..
Why not bring in a living will where you can state if you wish to be assisted to die if the circumstances arise..
Before the pro-lifers & the Christian jump down my throat,im pro-life when there is quality of life & I am a Christian & the Christian thing is to help people & holding their hand when they want to go is a Christian act..
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 11:47am Thu 27 Mar 08
Yes,yes,yes..The shoot horses dont they?..I work in the health sector & daily I deal with people who want to die but are unable to & are kept alive for years by medication.Even when there is no quality of life & the person is of sound mind they are still not allowed to chose death over terrible pain..
Why not bring in a living will where you can state if you wish to be assisted to die if the circumstances arise..
Before the pro-lifers & the Christian jump down my throat,im pro-life when there is quality of life & I am a Christian & the Christian thing is to help people & holding their hand when they want to go is a Christian act..
Yes,yes,yes..The shoot horses dont they?..I work in the health sector & daily I deal with people who want to die but are unable to & are kept alive for years by medication.Even when there is no quality of life & the person is of sound mind they are still not allowed to chose death over terrible pain..
Why not bring in a living will where you can state if you wish to be assisted to die if the circumstances arise..
Before the pro-lifers & the Christian jump down my throat,im pro-life when there is quality of life & I am a Christian & the Christian thing is to help people & holding their hand when they want to go is a Christian act..
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:51am Thu 27 Mar 08
Margo has been a gift to the Scottish Parliament with her original policies. She has shown a lot of dignity and i hope she can actually push this through the parliament. also i can see the shadow of the Catholic church attempting to interfere in this. If they do there will be a massive political backlash
Margo has been a gift to the Scottish Parliament with her original policies. She has shown a lot of dignity and i hope she can actually push this through the parliament. also i can see the shadow of the Catholic church attempting to interfere in this. If they do there will be a massive political backlash
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 12:48pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Why not .The 2 faced cardinal got his pacemaker fitted.Playing God eh!
Why not .The 2 faced cardinal got his pacemaker fitted.Playing God eh!
Posted by: Coolah, Scotland on 12:50pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I am a registered nurse. While I certainly believe that every person has the right to refuse treatment that may keep them alive, we do not have the right to ask another person to euthanise us. This would become a big business with terminally ill patients not wanting to be a burden on their families and feeling like they have to die sooner rather than later. I have seen many, many terminal patients feel guilty about being alive and unfortunately have also seen many patients made to feel guilty by their families. Some of these patients are not ready to die for a variety of reasons including finishing up life's business, or reconciling with God. It all sounds good in theory, but in reality it is not so. Before we know it, it will be routine to kill patients and those patients will be pressure into dying before they are truly ready.
Many patients who are ready to die simply stop eating and drinking. This is not a cruel way to die and is perfectly natural. If they choose to have nutrition and fluids withheld, they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I am a registered nurse. While I certainly believe that every person has the right to refuse treatment that may keep them alive, we do not have the right to ask another person to euthanise us. This would become a big business with terminally ill patients not wanting to be a burden on their families and feeling like they have to die sooner rather than later. I have seen many, many terminal patients feel guilty about being alive and unfortunately have also seen many patients made to feel guilty by their families. Some of these patients are not ready to die for a variety of reasons including finishing up life's business, or reconciling with God. It all sounds good in theory, but in reality it is not so. Before we know it, it will be routine to kill patients and those patients will be pressure into dying before they are truly ready.
Many patients who are ready to die simply stop eating and drinking. This is not a cruel way to die and is perfectly natural. If they choose to have nutrition and fluids withheld, they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
My mum was Peomised a Home care package as she was terminal with breast cancer,promised Big chair ,Comode Wipes etc etc etc,The reality was very different,1 waited 10weeks on phones etc .Still nothing turned uphad to go out and buy big chair comode etc etc etc,2 days after mum died letter from Nurses saying they can fit mum in now,
My mum was Peomised a Home care package as she was terminal with breast cancer,promised Big chair ,Comode Wipes etc etc etc,The reality was very different,1 waited 10weeks on phones etc .Still nothing turned uphad to go out and buy big chair comode etc etc etc,2 days after mum died letter from Nurses saying they can fit mum in now,
Posted by: Richard Davis, Vienna, Austria on 1:12pm Thu 27 Mar 08
As someone who has had MS for a number of years and I fully support Margo McDonald. It is not for me about being a burden. although I wouldn't wish to be, but about quality of life rather than quantity. If I can not do the thing for myself which define me as an individual then there is no point in going on.
As someone who has had MS for a number of years and I fully support Margo McDonald. It is not for me about being a burden. although I wouldn't wish to be, but about quality of life rather than quantity. If I can not do the thing for myself which define me as an individual then there is no point in going on.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:20pm Thu 27 Mar 08
if i'm ever diagnosed with anything like that, i'm out to rob some banks and shoot myself
if i'm ever diagnosed with anything like that, i'm out to rob some banks and shoot myself
Posted by: upanattem, south side on 3:42pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Friend of mine got cancer. By the time it got so bad that he wanted to take his own life he was too weak to do so by himself. He asked for help but none of us was prepared to take the responsibility. So he just suffered horribly and then died in misery. I wish there had been a way for him to opt out at his own discression and to have had professional help in doing so.
Friend of mine got cancer. By the time it got so bad that he wanted to take his own life he was too weak to do so by himself. He asked for help but none of us was prepared to take the responsibility. So he just suffered horribly and then died in misery. I wish there had been a way for him to opt out at his own discression and to have had professional help in doing so.
Posted by: eastender, glasgow on 4:24pm Thu 27 Mar 08
like Richard from vienna I too am an MS sufferer, thank god for IBM via-voice helping me to type lol, but I have informed all my friends and family that once my condition reaches the stage where I am unable to carry out the simplest of functions I will be taking the quick way out and no government or religious outlook has the right to determine my fate, so good luck Margo in your fight.
like Richard from vienna I too am an MS sufferer, thank god for IBM via-voice helping me to type lol, but I have informed all my friends and family that once my condition reaches the stage where I am unable to carry out the simplest of functions I will be taking the quick way out and no government or religious outlook has the right to determine my fate, so good luck Margo in your fight.
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:37pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Coolah[/bold] wrote:
I am a registered nurse. While I certainly believe that every person has the right to refuse treatment that may keep them alive, we do not have the right to ask another person to euthanise us. This would become a big business with terminally ill patients not wanting to be a burden on their families and feeling like they have to die sooner rather than later. I have seen many, many terminal patients feel guilty about being alive and unfortunately have also seen many patients made to feel guilty by their families. Some of these patients are not ready to die for a variety of reasons including finishing up life's business, or reconciling with God. It all sounds good in theory, but in reality it is not so. Before we know it, it will be routine to kill patients and those patients will be pressure into dying before they are truly ready. Many patients who are ready to die simply stop eating and drinking. This is not a cruel way to die and is perfectly natural. If they choose to have nutrition and fluids withheld, they are perfectly within their rights to do so.[/quote] I hear you. However my experience of this is different.
"Many patients who are ready to die simply stop eating and drinking. This is not a cruel way to die and is perfectly natural. If they choose to have nutrition and fluids withheld, they are perfectly within their rights to do so"
To watch a loved one go through this is simply horrific. Day by day, week by week and it feels like it is never going to end. Watching them get thinner and more frail with each passing day is nothing short of agonising. If that person wants to end their life due to terminal illness then they should be allowed to do so THEMSELVES. The person I am referring to would have 'happily' injected themselves lethally to end the misery.
Coolah wrote:
I am a registered nurse. While I certainly believe that every person has the right to refuse treatment that may keep them alive, we do not have the right to ask another person to euthanise us. This would become a big business with terminally ill patients not wanting to be a burden on their families and feeling like they have to die sooner rather than later. I have seen many, many terminal patients feel guilty about being alive and unfortunately have also seen many patients made to feel guilty by their families. Some of these patients are not ready to die for a variety of reasons including finishing up life's business, or reconciling with God. It all sounds good in theory, but in reality it is not so. Before we know it, it will be routine to kill patients and those patients will be pressure into dying before they are truly ready. Many patients who are ready to die simply stop eating and drinking. This is not a cruel way to die and is perfectly natural. If they choose to have nutrition and fluids withheld, they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I hear you. However my experience of this is different.
"Many patients who are ready to die simply stop eating and drinking. This is not a cruel way to die and is perfectly natural. If they choose to have nutrition and fluids withheld, they are perfectly within their rights to do so"
To watch a loved one go through this is simply horrific. Day by day, week by week and it feels like it is never going to end. Watching them get thinner and more frail with each passing day is nothing short of agonising. If that person wants to end their life due to terminal illness then they should be allowed to do so THEMSELVES. The person I am referring to would have 'happily' injected themselves lethally to end the misery.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 4:38pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Does send out the wrong message, anyone can die. Not difficult, do it while your healthly and save us from the worry that your unbalanced mentally from the effects of your ill. Unfair to all who are involved, has this tory no conscience, is it right to allow a death? Lead to more abuse & bad health care workers on the wards, as if enough don't exist already.
Does send out the wrong message, anyone can die. Not difficult, do it while your healthly and save us from the worry that your unbalanced mentally from the effects of your ill. Unfair to all who are involved, has this tory no conscience, is it right to allow a death? Lead to more abuse & bad health care workers on the wards, as if enough don't exist already.
Posted by: g, sevres on 5:05pm Thu 27 Mar 08
There are many over-the-counter medicines which, when taken in a sufficient dose, will cause death. Jumping off a bridge or in front of a train will have the same effect. But these are flippant repsonses to a very serious situation.
The debate is raging once again over the right to aid or have aided suicide.
While we can all sympathise with someone like Margo, sweeping legislation, especially emotively argued legislation, is too dangerous as it opens the floodgates. To paraphrase Margo "I don't want [bold]him[/bold] to burden any doctor. I don't want [bold]him[/bold] to burden any friend or family member." or any health centre or hospital budget. It would be too easy to turn such legislation into legalised "offloading"
There are many over-the-counter medicines which, when taken in a sufficient dose, will cause death. Jumping off a bridge or in front of a train will have the same effect. But these are flippant repsonses to a very serious situation.
The debate is raging once again over the right to aid or have aided suicide.
While we can all sympathise with someone like Margo, sweeping legislation, especially emotively argued legislation, is too dangerous as it opens the floodgates. To paraphrase Margo "I don't want
him to burden any doctor. I don't want
him to burden any friend or family member." or any health centre or hospital budget. It would be too easy to turn such legislation into legalised "offloading"
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 5:11pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Got to disagree with Margo macdonald,someone suffering from parkinson's may feel obliged to end their life if a law was introduced,or may be pressurised by family to take this route...
Got to disagree with Margo macdonald,someone suffering from parkinson's may feel obliged to end their life if a law was introduced,or may be pressurised by family to take this route...
Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 5:15pm Thu 27 Mar 08
If pepel wanna die let em. Loadsa animals get put down aw the time that are healthy so if a person wants die let em no differant fae putting animals down.
If pepel wanna die let em. Loadsa animals get put down aw the time that are healthy so if a person wants die let em no differant fae putting animals down.
Posted by: BhoyWunda, East Kilbride on 5:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I'm afraid I don't believe in this. A life is a life.
I'm afraid I don't believe in this. A life is a life.
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 5:46pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Thats the good thing about a democracy, we are all allowed our opinion & the right to disagree with others..
Im all for this because watching a loved one die by small measures is a terrible experience regardless of the drugs given..Who are we keeping them alive for, the medical companies?
Thats the good thing about a democracy, we are all allowed our opinion & the right to disagree with others..
Im all for this because watching a loved one die by small measures is a terrible experience regardless of the drugs given..Who are we keeping them alive for, the medical companies?
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 1:27am Fri 28 Mar 08
Very sorry to hear that Margo was ill,I never realised that was the case;a very strong personality though and I'm sure she will deal with whatever life throws at her.All the best Margo.
Very sorry to hear that Margo was ill,I never realised that was the case;a very strong personality though and I'm sure she will deal with whatever life throws at her.All the best Margo.
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 12:28pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Euthanasia should be available to anyone that wants it at any time. A lethal dose could be given to someone pain free and without disturbing others. Most means of suicide are not fool proof and can affect others. However, a lethal dose done in private, with the patient's consent, could be done peacefully and in dignity.
Why the lawmakers refuse to do this must be down to a) Interfering religious control freaks; b) Greedy drug companies who merely want to prolong life in order to keep their maximum profits, or even c) Perhaps those higher up take pleasure from maximising unnecesarry human suffering. If more people were helped to an early death, it would also save £millions in taxpayers money to the health service. How are people going to manage once the NHS is defunct and we have a totally Americanised health care system? It is only a matter of time before it goes completely private and many people will not be able to afford it. Therefore, it would make sense to encourace more people to end their lives as they become less able to adapt to a world geared for 'survival of the fittest'. If a racehorse breaks a leg, it gets put down because it is no longer up to its role, and to prolong human life when they are no longer fit and do not wish to exist is total madness.
Euthanasia should be available to anyone that wants it at any time. A lethal dose could be given to someone pain free and without disturbing others. Most means of suicide are not fool proof and can affect others. However, a lethal dose done in private, with the patient's consent, could be done peacefully and in dignity.
Why the lawmakers refuse to do this must be down to a) Interfering religious control freaks; b) Greedy drug companies who merely want to prolong life in order to keep their maximum profits, or even c) Perhaps those higher up take pleasure from maximising unnecesarry human suffering. If more people were helped to an early death, it would also save £millions in taxpayers money to the health service. How are people going to manage once the NHS is defunct and we have a totally Americanised health care system? It is only a matter of time before it goes completely private and many people will not be able to afford it. Therefore, it would make sense to encourace more people to end their lives as they become less able to adapt to a world geared for 'survival of the fittest'. If a racehorse breaks a leg, it gets put down because it is no longer up to its role, and to prolong human life when they are no longer fit and do not wish to exist is total madness.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08
there is a clause in some death insurance policies that will not cover suicide or any other method of killing ones own self, so if you do this act your family will have to bear the cost of burial,...check your insurace policy first.
there is a clause in some death insurance policies that will not cover suicide or any other method of killing ones own self, so if you do this act your family will have to bear the cost of burial,...check your insurace policy first.
Posted by: nobby garside, glasgow on 4:02pm Fri 28 Mar 08
for years this loudmouth has been indulged big time in the media alongside her odious other half sillers . i dont have one inch of sympathy for this thuggish loudmouth . other familys cope with daily health tragedies & are not on the fat cat gravy train like she is . all those hard years of working as an msp . you must have raked in megabuck macdonald .. the spineless scottish press is taken in by your thuggish bully type persona . my sympathise are with the real heroes the silent sufferers who just get on with it !
for years this loudmouth has been indulged big time in the media alongside her odious other half sillers . i dont have one inch of sympathy for this thuggish loudmouth . other familys cope with daily health tragedies & are not on the fat cat gravy train like she is . all those hard years of working as an msp . you must have raked in megabuck macdonald .. the spineless scottish press is taken in by your thuggish bully type persona . my sympathise are with the real heroes the silent sufferers who just get on with it !
Posted by: westender, west end on 11:16pm Sun 30 Mar 08
I [bold]really[/bold] wish newspapers online would stop inviting comments from the public. 99% of contributions are quite obviously the ravings of uninformed cretins such as nobby garside.
The comments function is redundant; it demeans the entire concept of a newspaper. I cringe every time I read the comments on ET online. **** the internet.
I
really wish newspapers online would stop inviting comments from the public. 99% of contributions are quite obviously the ravings of uninformed cretins such as nobby garside.
The comments function is redundant; it demeans the entire concept of a newspaper. I cringe every time I read the comments on ET online. **** the internet.
Posted by: westender, west end on 11:18pm Sun 30 Mar 08
I [bold]really[/bold] wish newspapers online would stop inviting comments from the public. 99% of contributions are quite obviously the ravings of uninformed cretins such as nobby garside.
The comments function is redundant; it demeans the entire concept of a newspaper. I cringe every time I read the comments on ET online. **** the internet.
I
really wish newspapers online would stop inviting comments from the public. 99% of contributions are quite obviously the ravings of uninformed cretins such as nobby garside.
The comments function is redundant; it demeans the entire concept of a newspaper. I cringe every time I read the comments on ET online. **** the internet.
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