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Robert, care worker Joe Green and Raymond have a chat in the garden at the new housing project in Bridgeton
Robert, care worker Joe Green and Raymond have a chat in the garden at the new housing project in Bridgeton
 
Andy entertains his fellow residents with some music
Andy entertains his fellow residents with some music
 
Care services boss Louise Dunlop in one of the home's bedrooms, which also has a modern kitchen Pictures: Jamie Simpson
Care services boss Louise Dunlop in one of the home's bedrooms, which also has a modern kitchen Pictures: Jamie Simpson
 
Thomas and Robert relax in the modern lounge at the new sheltered accommodation
Thomas and Robert relax in the modern lounge at the new sheltered accommodation
 

by Marianne Taylor

IT'S easy to see why Robert, Raymond and Andy love their new home. With its light, airy, well-equipped rooms and tranquil garden, it is a world away from their former abode, an outdated 250-bed hostel.

All three men are in their 50s, and have been homeless for many years. And each is fighting a long battle with alcohol.

Historically, vulnerable people like Raymond and Robert have been difficult to help.

Doors close on Glasgow hostels

According to Glasgow Homelessness Network, around 330 people sleep rough on the streets every night - that's 100 fewer than in 2003.

Last year more than 1300 people were referred to hostels in the city - 700 fewer than in 2003.

All Glasgow's council-run all-male hostels have now closed their doors - that's James Duncan House in Carntyne, Neil Robertson House in Bridgeton, Peter McCann House in Townhead. They provided 700 beds.

The city's only council-run all-female hostel, Inglefield House, is also due to close. In total 610 places have been created in small, community-based projects including:

  • Seven small-scale projects with six to 10 beds for supported living.

  • Specialist places for older people, those with alcohol problems and those with learning difficulties.

  • Residential places for drug addicts.

  • A support project for people with alcohol-related brain damage.
  • But new housing projects such as this one - Fordneuk Street Continuing Drinkers Supported Accommodation Project in Bridgeton - mark a different approach by offering homeless people more than just a roof over their heads.

    They offer hope; one-to-one support from staff, personalised care plans, nutritious food, health and training facilities, all in a warm, safe environment.

    The Evening Times previously met Robert and Raymond last month, just as they were preparing to leave James Duncan House in Bell Street, Carntyne, Glasgow's last all-male, council-run hostel.

    The Evening Times reported how the 250-bed hostel was closing after 30 years, as part of Glasgow City Council's £15million new strategy for tackling homelessness in the city.

    A large number of the men who used James Duncan House and other hostels had mental health problems or learning difficulties, while many others were addicted to drink or drugs.

    The facilities were basic to say the least, and committed staff members spoke of how it could be difficult to keep the place running smoothly because of problem residents, especially some of the younger men with drug and aggression problems.

    Regardless of this, it had been home to Robert and Raymond for years, and they were worried about moving on.

    But after just a couple of weeks at the £4.2m project, which is run by Loretto Care, a community-based housing association and social care service, it's clear that they are already reaping the benefits of their new home.

    For the 42 men and women lucky enough to get a place at Fordneuk Street in Bridgeton, it offers a brighter future and the standard of accommodation would not look out of place in a hotel.

    "I really love this place," smiles Raymond, 53, as he proudly shows us round. "I just can't believe how nice it is, and the atmosphere is really relaxing, no trouble at all.

    "It's like a five-star hotel compared to the last place and I feel good about being here.

    "It's a new start for me and the other boys. It's good because some of us know each other and we know some of the staff as well. Isn't it beautiful?"

    Indeed it is, and the contrast between Raymond's last home and his new one is marked.

    Gone are the drab corridors, cramped bedrooms and institutionalised canteen at James Duncan House, replaced at Fordneuk Street by relaxed communal spaces and bright bedrooms.

    Raymond, once a master butcher who has been homeless on and off for more than 20 years, can't get over his new room.

    It's got a flat-screen TV, kettle, big windows looking out on to the garden and something he's never had before - an ensuite shower room.

    His pal Robert is also settling in well.

    The ex-soldier, 56, also has a lovely new bedroom.

    "It's smashing here," he says as he takes advantage of the sun at one of the tables and chairs in the garden.

    "I was worried about moving, but it's lovely, the food is good and the staff are great. I hope I can stay here forever."

    Robert asks his key worker, Joe Green, if he can.

    "Let's just wait and see how you get on," answers Joe.

    According to Joe, a care worker who moved with Robert and Raymond from James Duncan House, the aim is for Fordneuk Street to be a temporary home.

    It is then hoped to equip residents at the facility with the skills and confidence to live more independent lives elsewhere.

    He talks of the fully-equipped training kitchen, the treatment room, laundry, and the special care plans that aim to give the residents full support.

    However, he realises this may not be possible for all.

    "After nine months here, we'll assess the residents and see how they are getting on.

    "Some may be able to move on to other supported accommodation, or even independent living.

    "For others the transition will take much longer.

    "But the most important thing about this place is that we have quality time to spend with the guys, face-to-face. That's what really matters.

    "It's early days, but the best thing so far has been seeing how well the men from James Duncan House are doing. It's great to see them looking so happy. It's so different from where they came from, and they're doing brilliantly.

    "One man who hadn't changed his clothes for five years did so off his own back a day after moving in - that's amazing progress."

    Catherine Jamieson, head of the council's Homelessness Partnership, is also proud of how well the new residents are doing.

    "It's taken us eight years to plan, fund and build this place," she says.

    "And to see it open at last is just fantastic. Places like this give people back their dignity, privacy and self-respect, and improves every part of their well-being.

    "This is the way forward for homeless services, and this project has been built to last."

    Loretto Housing Association chief executive Simon Carr added: "Hopefully over time we can make a huge difference to the lives of all the residents."

    The policy to close council-run hostels has been warmly welcomed by homeless groups such as Shelter.

    However, they say it's important there is enough emergency accommodation.

    Shelter Scotland director Archie Stoddart said: "We need to make sure there is enough temporary accommodation available at all times, so that people don't slip through the net.

    "However, we acknowledge Glasgow City Council is working hard to ensure this."

    In the dining room, Andy, a resident just arrived from Ibrox, is strumming away on his guitar, singing Buddy Holly and Bob Dylan.

    Andy, 54, is a human jukebox, and has an enthusiastic audience of residents and workers whenever he strikes up - which is often.

    In between songs, he's happy to talk about how his life is turning around.

    "I've been off the booze since October," he beams. "I'm enjoying my life a lot more now. I'm getting help and the staff are brilliant - they look after us.

    "Aye, life's definitely looking up."

    Publication date 08/04/08

    Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:10am Tue 8 Apr 08
    Good
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:35am Tue 8 Apr 08
    Its about time some of our less well off were treated like human beings instead of being treated like animals.

    Some posters on here would rather see them on the street, seen as a waste of taxpayers money which of course is rather the wrong attitude to take - how others degrade or ignore their own people and their problems is beyond me!
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 11:40am Tue 8 Apr 08
    help the homeless
    buy a bullet
    Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 11:48am Tue 8 Apr 08
    Im glad for them, I really am... but I find it hard to be able to save for a place of my own - would be nice to get some help myself, seeing as I pay a fair whack to the taxpayer every month!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:53am Tue 8 Apr 08
    yerauldda wrote:
    help the homeless buy a bullet
    Why don't you take a trip down to the place yourself then if these guys infuriate you!

    I mean - get yourself a hold of a AA-12 Yerauldda - it has to be the deadliest shotgun in the world - to solve your problem fast, there's no way that anybody within 200 yards can face this weapon and survive it. It's just destroys everything in it's path!

    Have fun!
    Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 11:57am Tue 8 Apr 08
    Fantastic, for there for the grace of God or circumstance goes any one of us..
    Yip it is that easy to slip into alcohol/drug abuse,mental health issues & end up on the street..
    Yeah of course taking drugs or drink is a personal choice but for some people it is a coping strategy & the end result is homelessness..
    I really hope that the folk using this housing project succeed in re-claiming their lives,,good luck to you all..
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:05pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    yerauldda wrote: help the homeless buy a bullet
    Why don't you take a trip down to the place yourself then if these guys infuriate you! I mean - get yourself a hold of a AA-12 Yerauldda - it has to be the deadliest shotgun in the world - to solve your problem fast, there's no way that anybody within 200 yards can face this weapon and survive it. It's just destroys everything in it's path! Have fun!
    can you get me one?
    Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 12:09pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye
    d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    Posted by: justme, whocares on 12:15pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    as usual glasgow gets it wrong most of these people chose to live in the streets and beg and annoy people and urinate where ever they felt im sure the money could have went to a better use and missing city stop being so goodie goodie if yur that full of compassion take one in to stay with you or is it you suffer from n.i.m.b.y ----not in my back yard
    Posted by: justme, whocares on 12:20pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    erm HOLY WILLIE not think we should sort out our own people first, asylum seekers,ethnic minorities, are well down the list
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:25pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    yerauldda wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    yerauldda wrote: help the homeless buy a bullet
    Why don't you take a trip down to the place yourself then if these guys infuriate you! I mean - get yourself a hold of a AA-12 Yerauldda - it has to be the deadliest shotgun in the world - to solve your problem fast, there's no way that anybody within 200 yards can face this weapon and survive it. It's just destroys everything in it's path! Have fun!
    can you get me one?
    you can get more info here: http:// www.defensereview.co
    m /article741. html

    That may or may not service your needs, however I must stress that I would rather go for the younger targets - say Central, Queen Street Station, Buchanan Street Car Park and lanes around the Trongate / Gallowgate.

    These guys are old boys, spare them their lives, not exactly crack addict monkeys looking for trouble!

    Many thanks Sir!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:30pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    justme wrote:
    erm HOLY WILLIE not think we should sort out our own people first, asylum seekers,ethnic minorities, are well down the list
    You've just contradicted what you just said to me, maybe it was Holy Willie intervention that caused this, however as I said to Yerauldda, spare the old boys, they do no harm, the young team however (with the aid of an AA-12) could be wiped out in minutes - end of problem!

    That would put the fear of God into me if I had one stuck in my face, though, I don't think I would have the time to think of the outcome once the trigger was released!
    Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 12:30pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    As usual missing city trying to stir things up on here, Why don’t you take these folk in and give them a warm bed for the night and see how much of your furniture is still there in the morning. Most of these alcoholics have chosen this life style and they are happy with it. They don’t want to change, have you been out a walk on Gordon street and Buchanan street with the amount of beggars sitting with their cup wanting money and their bottle beside them and not to mention the pet dogs that they turn up with for the aww!! Sympathy money.
    I thought begging was illegal or does Strathclyde police turn a blind eye to it in the city centre?
    Posted by: justme, whocares on 12:35pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    justme wrote: erm HOLY WILLIE not think we should sort out our own people first, asylum seekers,ethnic minorities, are well down the list
    You've just contradicted what you just said to me, maybe it was Holy Willie intervention that caused this, however as I said to Yerauldda, spare the old boys, they do no harm, the young team however (with the aid of an AA-12) could be wiped out in minutes - end of problem! That would put the fear of God into me if I had one stuck in my face, though, I don't think I would have the time to think of the outcome once the trigger was released!
    how did i contradict you im talking about thousands of people still living in poor housing not the dregs who walk the streets most of them ther own choosing please try and keep up instead of babbling on about weapons
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:39pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Kudos wrote:
    As usual missing city trying to stir things up on here, Why don’t you take these folk in and give them a warm bed for the night and see how much of your furniture is still there in the morning. Most of these alcoholics have chosen this life style and they are happy with it. They don’t want to change, have you been out a walk on Gordon street and Buchanan street with the amount of beggars sitting with their cup wanting money and their bottle beside them and not to mention the pet dogs that they turn up with for the aww!! Sympathy money. I thought begging was illegal or does Strathclyde police turn a blind eye to it in the city centre?
    Old boys and people who are out of touch with the rest of society and down in their luck is one thing, but as stated above Kudos, Crack Addict Wigga monkeys are something else and need to be dealt with - of course, rounding up the targets in the specific areas and forcing them to stare into dark barrels of steel could be beneficial in sorting out some of the city's long term problems.

    I'd rather see the problem sorted in a more humane manner, but it seems all else has been tried and failed so I may as well just team up with yerauldda!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:45pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    justme wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    justme wrote: erm HOLY WILLIE not think we should sort out our own people first, asylum seekers,ethnic minorities, are well down the list
    You've just contradicted what you just said to me, maybe it was Holy Willie intervention that caused this, however as I said to Yerauldda, spare the old boys, they do no harm, the young team however (with the aid of an AA-12) could be wiped out in minutes - end of problem! That would put the fear of God into me if I had one stuck in my face, though, I don't think I would have the time to think of the outcome once the trigger was released!
    how did i contradict you im talking about thousands of people still living in poor housing not the dregs who walk the streets most of them ther own choosing please try and keep up instead of babbling on about weapons
    Just me wrote:

    missing city stop being so goodie goodie if yur that full of compassion take one in to stay with you or is it you suffer from n.i.m.b.y ----not in my back yard


    That's what I was referring to last week as well as those like the old boys who have been moved into more humane living conditions.

    With regards to the 'babble' about weapons.....

    A lot of people love the US and they say weapons are an effective weapon in crime prevention.

    Not my words or my ideals, but sure I believe they work and I bet they would put the fear into any zombie in Glasgow - aye, excrement running down their legs, wouldn't be so tough then eh!
    Posted by: justme, whocares on 12:48pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    justme wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    justme wrote: erm HOLY WILLIE not think we should sort out our own people first, asylum seekers,ethnic minorities, are well down the list
    You've just contradicted what you just said to me, maybe it was Holy Willie intervention that caused this, however as I said to Yerauldda, spare the old boys, they do no harm, the young team however (with the aid of an AA-12) could be wiped out in minutes - end of problem! That would put the fear of God into me if I had one stuck in my face, though, I don't think I would have the time to think of the outcome once the trigger was released!
    how did i contradict you im talking about thousands of people still living in poor housing not the dregs who walk the streets most of them ther own choosing please try and keep up instead of babbling on about weapons
    Just me wrote:
    missing city stop being so goodie goodie if yur that full of compassion take one in to stay with you or is it you suffer from n.i.m.b.y ----not in my back yard
    That's what I was referring to last week as well as those like the old boys who have been moved into more humane living conditions. With regards to the 'babble' about weapons..... A lot of people love the US and they say weapons are an effective weapon in crime prevention. Not my words or my ideals, but sure I believe they work and I bet they would put the fear into any zombie in Glasgow - aye, excrement running down their legs, wouldn't be so tough then eh!
    byeee your really getting quite boring now
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 12:49pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    This is a tricky subject.

    Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable.

    However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help.

    I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 1:15pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    witterquick wrote:
    Im glad for them, I really am... but I find it hard to be able to save for a place of my own - would be nice to get some help myself, seeing as I pay a fair whack to the taxpayer every month!
    Hopefully the three residents will be encouraged to start on the road to non-dependency by been encouraged to seek work.Andy "the human jukebox" could gain employment by entertaining at council run care homes,he is only in his early fifties so still time to make a meaningful contribution to society..What we dont want is the idea of a retirement home for those unwilling to participate in ongoing self help programmes offered by health professionals.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:31pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    justme wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    justme wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    justme wrote: erm HOLY WILLIE not think we should sort out our own people first, asylum seekers,ethnic minorities, are well down the list
    You've just contradicted what you just said to me, maybe it was Holy Willie intervention that caused this, however as I said to Yerauldda, spare the old boys, they do no harm, the young team however (with the aid of an AA-12) could be wiped out in minutes - end of problem! That would put the fear of God into me if I had one stuck in my face, though, I don't think I would have the time to think of the outcome once the trigger was released!
    how did i contradict you im talking about thousands of people still living in poor housing not the dregs who walk the streets most of them ther own choosing please try and keep up instead of babbling on about weapons
    Just me wrote:
    missing city stop being so goodie goodie if yur that full of compassion take one in to stay with you or is it you suffer from n.i.m.b.y ----not in my back yard
    That's what I was referring to last week as well as those like the old boys who have been moved into more humane living conditions. With regards to the 'babble' about weapons..... A lot of people love the US and they say weapons are an effective weapon in crime prevention. Not my words or my ideals, but sure I believe they work and I bet they would put the fear into any zombie in Glasgow - aye, excrement running down their legs, wouldn't be so tough then eh!
    byeee your really getting quite boring now
    Make your mind up - is that your best comeback on the subject

    PATHETIC!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:36pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Last week you didn't want to know anything about poor people, you had them swept under the carpet, and the subject of talking about such peoople was boring, just almost in the same way as "Just Me" has just put it... whats so different this week that you have a change of attitude to the problem?
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 1:48pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Last week you didn't want to know anything about poor people, you had them swept under the carpet, and the subject of talking about such peoople was boring, just almost in the same way as "Just Me" has just put it... whats so different this week that you have a change of attitude to the problem?
    The Missing City, what exactly is your beef with everyone?

    Last week, or any other time for that matter, I did not condemn poor people. As I said last week, your interpretation of people and their posts is way, way off.

    Think before you post. I am frankly fed up with your personal attacks on posters. You know absolutely nothing about me, my views, my education, my employment, my postcode, my accent, my intelligence etc. Do not pretend that you do.

    You are becoming excruciating to deal with.
    Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 1:51pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Blah blah Daily Mail rhetoric blah blah.

    I'd rather taxpayers money is spent trying to help people out of addiction than simply reacting to the crime/homelessness/s
    ocietal breakdown that results from it.

    Nonsense to say people choose it and enjoy it- many homeless people say they choose the streets over hostels simply because hostels are unsafe- if we provide proper accommodation & support to recover then we solve the problem rather than shift it onto the streets.

    The problem with addiction is that so many people out there believe it could never happen to them. Sadly, most of them will never learn that they're wrong, simply because they will be fortunate enough (as opposed to "good enough") to be right.

    I'm really bored with the bile, bigotry & b*ll*cks posted on this site. Walk ten miles in someone else's shoes before you judge them or shut up.
    Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 1:57pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    HOLY WILLIE wrote:
    It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 1:59pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I can only assume and hope that this is ironic comment. Please let it be...
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:00pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Last week you didn't want to know anything about poor people, you had them swept under the carpet, and the subject of talking about such peoople was boring, just almost in the same way as "Just Me" has just put it... whats so different this week that you have a change of attitude to the problem?
    The Missing City, what exactly is your beef with everyone? Last week, or any other time for that matter, I did not condemn poor people. As I said last week, your interpretation of people and their posts is way, way off. Think before you post. I am frankly fed up with your personal attacks on posters. You know absolutely nothing about me, my views, my education, my employment, my postcode, my accent, my intelligence etc. Do not pretend that you do. You are becoming excruciating to deal with.
    Aww ain't that a shame.

    Tell you what, when I say Yes, stop saying no and when I say No, stope saying Yes.

    Furthermore, sticking up for poor people last week was making you yawn something terrible, like I was not allowed to do such a thing, and then everybody started to have a go at me like these people were scum on all of your shoes!

    Or is it the case that you or anybody else that jumped on the bandwagon cannot remember?

    Your assumptions of me are way off the mark, only a fruitcake could come come out with such drivel! Your views are not very clear on the subject - one day you make out these people are not to be spoken about and then a few days later, your speaking up for them? who wants to know where you live? Your intelligence speaks for itself!

    I think your post speaks more of being paranoid than anything else to be honest.

    Think you should chill!

    Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 2:00pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I rest my case.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:03pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I can only assume and hope that this is ironic comment. Please let it be...
    Naa, some clown will spout that its racist! It usually happens, too many politically correct beaks thinking more of others before thinking of common sense and of their own!
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:03pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Similarly, TMC's knowledge of shotguns is a bit worrying.

    And Holy Willie's lack of Christian compassion too.
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Last week you didn't want to know anything about poor people, you had them swept under the carpet, and the subject of talking about such peoople was boring, just almost in the same way as "Just Me" has just put it... whats so different this week that you have a change of attitude to the problem?
    The Missing City, what exactly is your beef with everyone? Last week, or any other time for that matter, I did not condemn poor people. As I said last week, your interpretation of people and their posts is way, way off. Think before you post. I am frankly fed up with your personal attacks on posters. You know absolutely nothing about me, my views, my education, my employment, my postcode, my accent, my intelligence etc. Do not pretend that you do. You are becoming excruciating to deal with.
    Aww ain't that a shame. Tell you what, when I say Yes, stop saying no and when I say No, stope saying Yes. Furthermore, sticking up for poor people last week was making you yawn something terrible, like I was not allowed to do such a thing, and then everybody started to have a go at me like these people were scum on all of your shoes! Or is it the case that you or anybody else that jumped on the bandwagon cannot remember? Your assumptions of me are way off the mark, only a fruitcake could come come out with such drivel! Your views are not very clear on the subject - one day you make out these people are not to be spoken about and then a few days later, your speaking up for them? who wants to know where you live? Your intelligence speaks for itself! I think your post speaks more of being paranoid than anything else to be honest. Think you should chill!
    As far as I can tell Missing City, and I am pretty sure most other posters on here can see it, you have an axe to grind with everyone who doesn't agree with you.

    Just accept we don't all share your views.

    You are now employing selective memory techniques. Sad really.

    You have gone on at length about your lack of employmeny becuase jobs are beneath you. In fact you told someone last week you had a better CV than them which was frankly comical.

    I'll give you this, having someone with such an obvious screw loose as yourself posting certainly stirs it up a bit.

    Now I will let you toddle off to the job ads to strike a few more off your list as being unsuitable for someone of your obvious high standing, intelligence and moral fibre.

    One tip, if you ever did write a CV, use spell check.

    Toodle pip.
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:08pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote:
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I can only assume and hope that this is ironic comment. Please let it be...
    Naa, some clown will spout that its racist! It usually happens, too many politically correct beaks thinking more of others before thinking of common sense and of their own!
    I'll be that clown then. The problem with the discourse of the 'common sense' is that it allows any bawbag the justication/apologia for their own blinkered view.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:11pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote:
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I can only assume and hope that this is ironic comment. Please let it be...
    Naa, some clown will spout that its racist! It usually happens, too many politically correct beaks thinking more of others before thinking of common sense and of their own!
    I'll be that clown then. The problem with the discourse of the 'common sense' is that it allows any bawbag the justication/apologia for their own blinkered view.
    The more the merrier then, Glaswegians and Scottish people are white scum in your book then?
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:13pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    I don't think anyone on this post said that TMC; must be the voices in your head again.
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:15pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    For avoidance of doubt, I'm in support of the poor white homeless men this iarticle is about. I am not the one advocating the use of a shotgun against them.
    Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 2:20pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    by way i aint rascist i jus agree wi ma dad people born here should be looked after first neva mind the rest. that homeless place is good idea looks after our own way shud be we canny say nuffin bout the pepel that stay in this new place we dont know em or why they got probs they hiv.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:24pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    Similarly, TMC's knowledge of shotguns is a bit worrying. And Holy Willie's lack of Christian compassion too.
    Why don't you get a job working for the Daily Record if you know so much?


    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:27pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    I don't think anyone on this post said that TMC; must be the voices in your head again.
    I'll be that clown then. The problem with the discourse of the 'common sense' is that it allows any bawbag the justication/apologia for their own blinkered view.


    Doubt it very much, particuularly if you're admitting to what you said in the above post, text does not constitue as being voices or maybe because its this page, all things suddenly become very different, shaft your own, foreigners come first, that is your point!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:31pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    For avoidance of doubt, I'm in support of the poor white homeless men this iarticle is about. I am not the one advocating the use of a shotgun against them.
    Neither was I, just a joke between Yerauldda and myself, which some b1tch had to take seriously of course!

    Poor white homeless was not what I was referring to, so you don't listen or you can't read - why act stupid?

    The one's out their faces on smack and crack and cause mayhem are the one's I was referring to, or should we be wrapping them up in cotton wool instead?
    Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 2:36pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    by way i aint rascist i jus agree wi ma dad people born here should be looked after first neva mind the rest. that homeless place is good idea looks after our own way shud be we canny say nuffin bout the pepel that stay in this new place we dont know em or why they got probs they hiv.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:37pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Last week you didn't want to know anything about poor people, you had them swept under the carpet, and the subject of talking about such peoople was boring, just almost in the same way as "Just Me" has just put it... whats so different this week that you have a change of attitude to the problem?
    The Missing City, what exactly is your beef with everyone? Last week, or any other time for that matter, I did not condemn poor people. As I said last week, your interpretation of people and their posts is way, way off. Think before you post. I am frankly fed up with your personal attacks on posters. You know absolutely nothing about me, my views, my education, my employment, my postcode, my accent, my intelligence etc. Do not pretend that you do. You are becoming excruciating to deal with.
    Aww ain't that a shame. Tell you what, when I say Yes, stop saying no and when I say No, stope saying Yes. Furthermore, sticking up for poor people last week was making you yawn something terrible, like I was not allowed to do such a thing, and then everybody started to have a go at me like these people were scum on all of your shoes! Or is it the case that you or anybody else that jumped on the bandwagon cannot remember? Your assumptions of me are way off the mark, only a fruitcake could come come out with such drivel! Your views are not very clear on the subject - one day you make out these people are not to be spoken about and then a few days later, your speaking up for them? who wants to know where you live? Your intelligence speaks for itself! I think your post speaks more of being paranoid than anything else to be honest. Think you should chill!
    As far as I can tell Missing City, and I am pretty sure most other posters on here can see it, you have an axe to grind with everyone who doesn't agree with you. Just accept we don't all share your views. You are now employing selective memory techniques. Sad really. You have gone on at length about your lack of employmeny becuase jobs are beneath you. In fact you told someone last week you had a better CV than them which was frankly comical. I'll give you this, having someone with such an obvious screw loose as yourself posting certainly stirs it up a bit. Now I will let you toddle off to the job ads to strike a few more off your list as being unsuitable for someone of your obvious high standing, intelligence and moral fibre. One tip, if you ever did write a CV, use spell check. Toodle pip.
    Well if it makes you feel better about yourself by slagging off others, which you seem to not like when on the receiving end, then so be it!

    Leave you to it weirdo!

    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:39pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Glorious Failure boy's right, y'know.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:41pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Bear wrote:
    by way i aint rascist i jus agree wi ma dad people born here should be looked after first neva mind the rest. that homeless place is good idea looks after our own way shud be we canny say nuffin bout the pepel that stay in this new place we dont know em or why they got probs they hiv.
    Yes but Bear, people on here are saying it is racist, we can't have that anymore, peopole from other countries are higher priority, anybody who says otherwise.... well, we shall leave that up to the PC brigade!

    As for the homeless place, there should have been stuff like that happening a long time ago - when I lived in London as a kid, there used to be hundreds of people sleeping under railway arches, quite a lot of these people coming from Scotland having gone to look for work because there was nothing here, it has improved, but only slightly!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:42pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    The Glorious Failure boy's right, y'know.
    Cool, that's fine by me, think whatever you want!

    Tripe wins the day!
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:44pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 2:49pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote:
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I can only assume and hope that this is ironic comment. Please let it be...
    Naa, some clown will spout that its racist! It usually happens, too many politically correct beaks thinking more of others before thinking of common sense and of their own!
    Please define "their own".
    I might be white & Scottish but that doesn't mean I align myself with anyone who's white and Scottish.
    Equally, it doesn't mean I am bigoted about anyone who isn't.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:50pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time!

    Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block!

    Typical!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:55pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Lol wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote:
    Bear wrote:
    HOLY WILLIE wrote: It is ridiculous that these addicts who are responsible for their own situation are getting to stay in such oppulent accomodation at the taxpayers expense.This is a slap in the face to the people who deserve a nice home,such as asylum seekers,ethnic minorities,unemploye d single mothers etc who by comparison are living in squalor.It is about time this council got its priorities right and also stopped discriminating against none whites and foreigners who deserve to be treated better than this.Disgraceful,may the lord forgive them
    dunno wha u get discriminate against non whites an foreigners. i see them gettin aw the best houses imigrents walk in this country an get better housing than people born ere. Ma dad bin on waitin list for years as we need bigger place we canny get nuffin coz we white scottish
    I can only assume and hope that this is ironic comment. Please let it be...
    Naa, some clown will spout that its racist! It usually happens, too many politically correct beaks thinking more of others before thinking of common sense and of their own!
    Please define "their own". I might be white & Scottish but that doesn't mean I align myself with anyone who's white and Scottish. Equally, it doesn't mean I am bigoted about anyone who isn't.
    Neither am I, but as the lad says, more priority is seemingly given to others before thinking about the poor people we have here, for which nothing or any attention is given to their needs - maybe that's why there are thousands out there who say that as well!

    If people support such a policy, then why is there such a large crackdown on immigration then? Why has the house of Lords condemmed this? Are they racist as well?
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 2:57pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote: Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time! Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block! Typical!
    Some people have to work you know.
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 3:04pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote: Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time! Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block! Typical!
    Some people have to work you know.
    Ooh!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:07pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote: Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time! Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block! Typical!
    Some people have to work you know.
    Good for those who work - alright when you can get a job, how did you get yours - was it a casting couch? Did your boss like the look of your mouth?
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:10pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Pete wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote: Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time! Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block! Typical!
    Some people have to work you know.
    Ooh!
    Ooh! Said pete, with arm at 45 degrees and waving his hand in the air!

    Happy camping!
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 3:10pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote: Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time! Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block! Typical!
    Some people have to work you know.
    Good for those who work - alright when you can get a job, how did you get yours - was it a casting couch? Did your boss like the look of your mouth?
    Good education, strong degree in a relevant subject and hard work.

    Then you get the job you deserve.

    You should try it sometime, but then some people are just unemployable. Wonder why...

    Ta, ta.
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 3:11pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    TMC can add homophobia to his list.

    What a thoroughly well balanced and modern individual.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:15pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Pete wrote: Hi everyone, I've got other things to do now. Would anyone else want to take over the discussion with TMC? The longer he's sitting at a PC the longer we're keeping him off the streets. You know it's for the best.
    Oh good - a bit of peace from PC moaners looking to start an argument because they have nothing better to do with their time! Pete, an idiot statement you made for which shows your depth of maturity to discuss a subject in an adult fashion - you and Glorious failure have such a mental block! Typical!
    Some people have to work you know.
    Good for those who work - alright when you can get a job, how did you get yours - was it a casting couch? Did your boss like the look of your mouth?
    Good education, strong degree in a relevant subject and hard work. Then you get the job you deserve. You should try it sometime, but then some people are just unemployable. Wonder why... Ta, ta.
    Hmmm, yes maybe because they've never had a job! But your so smug and pompous, its obvious people beneath you are scum, no suprise there is so much disorder and only a select crowd get the jobs!

    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:16pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    TMC can add homophobia to his list. What a thoroughly well balanced and modern individual.
    and you're a ****!
    Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 3:18pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Can we please return and comment on the article
    instead of personnel attacks and in-fighting.
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 3:20pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    TMC's shoulder; sponsored by The Blue Lagoon.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:25pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    TMC's shoulder; sponsored by The Blue Lagoon.
    Don't like anybody making assumptions about you, but you're doing it to others - one rule for you is it?
    Posted by: albertz78, city center on 4:44pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    A large number of the men who used James Duncan House and other hostels had mental health problems or learning difficulties, while many others were addicted to drink or drugs.
    The facilities were basic to say the least, and committed staff members spoke of how it could be difficult to keep the place running smoothly because of problem residents, especially some of the younger men with drug and aggression problems.
    People with learning difficulties and mental health problems should never have been placed in these hostels.As for those with drink and/or drug problems nobody held them down and forced Buckfast down their throats or forcibly injected them with herion,they have probably been disowned by their kith and kin so they shouldn't be the problem of the taxpayers.
    One shot at rehab,not methadone and if that doesn't work one shot from Holy Willy's gun.
    Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 6:07pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    Posted by: Sandy, Glasgow on 9:46pm Tue 8 Apr 08
    What a joke this place is,the residents have just re-classified themselves from drug addicts from next door to alcoholics to the new 4.2 Million Centre.

    I work in Broad Street and they make the place a misery by being sick, peeing etc outside our work entrances, there are broken bottles everywhere and they are constantly trying to get into your place of work.

    THEY ARE PESTS, AND IT WONT BE LONG UNTIL THEY BURN THE PLACE DOWN.
    Posted by: naylabour, glasgow on 12:49am Wed 9 Apr 08
    Sandy - with that attitude i really hope you dont work in Broad Street! This building does not accommodate drug addicts as you suggest.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:25am Wed 9 Apr 08
    I hear your pain wrote:
    When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    You must obviously think yer trying to score some brownie points with fellow posters for trying to be a smart arse!

    If you weren't part of the crap in the first place, which GF seems to think he has won, then stay out of things that don't have anything to do with you, comments on one page alone hardly makes this my forum you nob!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:20am Wed 9 Apr 08
    Regardless of what has been said above, it is apparent that there is a disgusting attitude towrds people who are not so well off - middle class nobs who think these people are scum, when in fact its posters like GF and some others who are the instigators, poor people fight back, they end up in trouble at the expense of some nobby piece of filth!
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 10:33am Wed 9 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Ahem...

    Proves you beleive what you want to and just make things up TMC.

    Don't bother responding because the best way to deal with the likes of you is to simply ignore you.
    Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 10:47am Wed 9 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote:
    When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    You must obviously think yer trying to score some brownie points with fellow posters for trying to be a smart arse!

    If you weren't part of the crap in the first place, which GF seems to think he has won, then stay out of things that don't have anything to do with you, comments on one page alone hardly makes this my forum you nob!
    Oh Missing City did one hit a raw nerve & to use such base language proves what we all know,that you are a scrounging ,moaning,layabout who is quite content to sit on his a.r.s.e complaining about everything but doing nothing about anything..
    Now go away & dress up in your mothers old clothes while flicking through the lingerie that you sent away for in your fictitious
    sisters name yah dobber...
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:48am Wed 9 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Ahem... Proves you beleive what you want to and just make things up TMC. Don't bother responding because the best way to deal with the likes of you is to simply ignore you.
    Go for it, I'm not the one who started this crap!

    You jumped on the bandwagon last week when I was describing how it is to get the work I want, not what others THINK I should be taking - if that's the case, then why do all these people go to university? - to work in a demoralising atmosphere like a call centre?

    Never mind us, who can't get jobs we want, my point was that the people who are at the bottom are more likely never to get a job, there is not a job for everybody for which some people disagree with that as well.

    So if you can't see by that, not my problem and I really do not care - but you have stated that you need a degree to work in a call centre, I bet you wouldn't even stoop to working in one of these places washing somebody's dirty laundry.
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:49am Wed 9 Apr 08
    I hear your pain wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote: When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    You must obviously think yer trying to score some brownie points with fellow posters for trying to be a smart arse! If you weren't part of the crap in the first place, which GF seems to think he has won, then stay out of things that don't have anything to do with you, comments on one page alone hardly makes this my forum you nob!
    Oh Missing City did one hit a raw nerve & to use such base language proves what we all know,that you are a scrounging ,moaning,layabout who is quite content to sit on his a.r.s.e complaining about everything but doing nothing about anything.. Now go away & dress up in your mothers old clothes while flicking through the lingerie that you sent away for in your fictitious sisters name yah dobber...
    Yes well, you were trying to be smart so its called giving you my side of the story, don't like it, don't abuse me then!
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:52am Wed 9 Apr 08
    I hear your pain wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote: When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    You must obviously think yer trying to score some brownie points with fellow posters for trying to be a smart arse! If you weren't part of the crap in the first place, which GF seems to think he has won, then stay out of things that don't have anything to do with you, comments on one page alone hardly makes this my forum you nob!
    Oh Missing City did one hit a raw nerve & to use such base language proves what we all know,that you are a scrounging ,moaning,layabout who is quite content to sit on his a.r.s.e complaining about everything but doing nothing about anything.. Now go away & dress up in your mothers old clothes while flicking through the lingerie that you sent away for in your fictitious sisters name yah dobber...
    Why do people isist on posting a load of crap? And then they think they are so brilliant?
    Posted by: Glorious Failure, Glasgow on 10:59am Wed 9 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Ahem... Proves you beleive what you want to and just make things up TMC. Don't bother responding because the best way to deal with the likes of you is to simply ignore you.
    Go for it, I'm not the one who started this crap! You jumped on the bandwagon last week when I was describing how it is to get the work I want, not what others THINK I should be taking - if that's the case, then why do all these people go to university? - to work in a demoralising atmosphere like a call centre? Never mind us, who can't get jobs we want, my point was that the people who are at the bottom are more likely never to get a job, there is not a job for everybody for which some people disagree with that as well. So if you can't see by that, not my problem and I really do not care - but you have stated that you need a degree to work in a call centre, I bet you wouldn't even stoop to working in one of these places washing somebody's dirty laundry.
    This is my last response to you.

    Do not claim I said things I did not.

    If you can find where I stated someone needed a degree to work in a call centre, which you wont, then come back to me.

    Otherwise stop lying through your teeth. Which you are. Fantasist.
    Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 11:03am Wed 9 Apr 08
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote: When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    You must obviously think yer trying to score some brownie points with fellow posters for trying to be a smart arse! If you weren't part of the crap in the first place, which GF seems to think he has won, then stay out of things that don't have anything to do with you, comments on one page alone hardly makes this my forum you nob!
    Oh Missing City did one hit a raw nerve & to use such base language proves what we all know,that you are a scrounging ,moaning,layabout who is quite content to sit on his a.r.s.e complaining about everything but doing nothing about anything.. Now go away & dress up in your mothers old clothes while flicking through the lingerie that you sent away for in your fictitious sisters name yah dobber...
    Why do people isist on posting a load of crap? And then they think they are so brilliant?
    Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha Get a job yah loser
    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:32am Wed 9 Apr 08
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote:
    Glorious Failure wrote: This is a tricky subject. Obviously homeless people, alcoholics etc are not what people associate with what we want our society to be like. Thst's understandable. However they can't help themselves. They need help to solve their problems and to integrate themselves into our society. Projects like this obviously help. I appreciate it's unpallatable for alot of us to see our council tax money go on projects like this but you have to ask yourself; would you rather one more homeless off the street or one more layer of paint on the lamp-posts?
    Ahem... Proves you beleive what you want to and just make things up TMC. Don't bother responding because the best way to deal with the likes of you is to simply ignore you.
    Go for it, I'm not the one who started this crap! You jumped on the bandwagon last week when I was describing how it is to get the work I want, not what others THINK I should be taking - if that's the case, then why do all these people go to university? - to work in a demoralising atmosphere like a call centre? Never mind us, who can't get jobs we want, my point was that the people who are at the bottom are more likely never to get a job, there is not a job for everybody for which some people disagree with that as well. So if you can't see by that, not my problem and I really do not care - but you have stated that you need a degree to work in a call centre, I bet you wouldn't even stoop to working in one of these places washing somebody's dirty laundry.
    This is my last response to you. Do not claim I said things I did not. If you can find where I stated someone needed a degree to work in a call centre, which you wont, then come back to me. Otherwise stop lying through your teeth. Which you are. Fantasist.
    Your just a wind up merchant - you were supporting other posters last week when you don't know a thing about me.

    What do intend to do about it? Your a person who likes to dish out threats of intimidation eh?

    Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:32am Wed 9 Apr 08
    I hear your pain wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote:
    The Missing City wrote:
    I hear your pain wrote: When did this become the Missing City forum??..
    You must obviously think yer trying to score some brownie points with fellow posters for trying to be a smart arse! If you weren't part of the crap in the first place, which GF seems to think he has won, then stay out of things that don't have anything to do with you, comments on one page alone hardly makes this my forum you nob!
    Oh Missing City did one hit a raw nerve & to use such base language proves what we all know,that you are a scrounging ,moaning,layabout who is quite content to sit on his a.r.s.e complaining about everything but doing nothing about anything.. Now go away & dress up in your mothers old clothes while flicking through the lingerie that you sent away for in your fictitious sisters name yah dobber...
    Why do people isist on posting a load of crap? And then they think they are so brilliant?
    Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha Get a job yah loser
    Nobby
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