Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:32am Mon 14 Apr 08
This is a bad idea. In america there were companies who were dumping bits of cadaver/dead bodies in to local rivers to avoid paying for cremation. what happens when a comapny puts in a unrealistic low bid to run a crematorium? To me this is a public health and safety issue. not an issue over some penny pinching.
This is a bad idea. In america there were companies who were dumping bits of cadaver/dead bodies in to local rivers to avoid paying for cremation. what happens when a comapny puts in a unrealistic low bid to run a crematorium? To me this is a public health and safety issue. not an issue over some penny pinching.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:37am Mon 14 Apr 08
[quote]Dignity Funerals[/quote]
What a naff name.
Is there anything GCC won't privatise? It is certainly a Health & Safety issue.
Dignity Funerals
What a naff name.
Is there anything GCC won't privatise? It is certainly a Health & Safety issue.
Posted by: sceptic, Lanarkshire on 11:49am Mon 14 Apr 08
The reason Glasgows cremations have dropped is that Councils such as North and South Lanarkshire have built their own crematoriums at Holytown and Blantyre because people from these areas have had to pay GLC inflated fees for years
The reason Glasgows cremations have dropped is that Councils such as North and South Lanarkshire have built their own crematoriums at Holytown and Blantyre because people from these areas have had to pay GLC inflated fees for years
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 4:56pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Just what is Glasgow city councils role in the city it seems it exists only to sell off what it can,soon it will be its care homes,then museums,parks, cleansing, parking, sports centers, I wish they would sell them selves, but who would invest in this bunch of chancers..
Just what is Glasgow city councils role in the city it seems it exists only to sell off what it can,soon it will be its care homes,then museums,parks, cleansing, parking, sports centers, I wish they would sell them selves, but who would invest in this bunch of chancers..
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 5:32pm Mon 14 Apr 08
[quote]Since last April, the number of cremations in the city has dropped by more than 1000 - down by 25% on the recent average[/quote] Obviously we're not dying quickly enough
Since last April, the number of cremations in the city has dropped by more than 1000 - down by 25% on the recent average
Obviously we're not dying quickly enough
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:58pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Lets have private firms run the council private firms are superior or there wouldnt be so many of them would there and they all pay tax rather than live off it.
Lets have private firms run the council private firms are superior or there wouldnt be so many of them would there and they all pay tax rather than live off it.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 6:35pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Even the Tories did"nt go this far ...
Even the Tories did"nt go this far ...
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 7:16pm Mon 14 Apr 08
hope it is not the same mob who took over transporting criminals .
the last thing we need is dead bodies escaping from caskets,and taking to the streets..how will they ever be found if they hide amongst the junkies.
hope it is not the same mob who took over transporting criminals .
the last thing we need is dead bodies escaping from caskets,and taking to the streets..how will they ever be found if they hide amongst the junkies.
Posted by: Thomas, Glasgow on 7:59pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Glasgow City Council had been made aware that this was coming for years, with the arrival of the two new Crematoria at Holytown and Blantyre, business was bound to be affected. Historically, Daldowie was founded by Lanarkshire but with the city boundaries changing it fell within Glasgow's responsibility and therefore all other local authorities were made to pay 'non-resident' charges.
However there are a number of issues facing the city's crematoria and cemeteries. The fact that both Daldowie and Linn Crematoria still operate on a 30 minute window, when many others (even Paisley, Woodside) have now increased the time allowed to 45 mins.
There are many other reasons for the switch to the private and charity operated crematoriums, some of these are down to recommendations from clergy, funeral directors and others. Some clergy have began recommending certain crematoria for various reasons, including the way the place is managed, the response of staff, the welcome and facilities present etc.
Glasgow was told, knew it was coming and done the usual thing, buried it's head in the sand.
As for private crematoria, well Craigton has operated for many years and is owned by the Co-operative Group, Glasgow (Maryhill) by the Scottish Cremation Society and they have served the city well.
Glasgow City Council had been made aware that this was coming for years, with the arrival of the two new Crematoria at Holytown and Blantyre, business was bound to be affected. Historically, Daldowie was founded by Lanarkshire but with the city boundaries changing it fell within Glasgow's responsibility and therefore all other local authorities were made to pay 'non-resident' charges.
However there are a number of issues facing the city's crematoria and cemeteries. The fact that both Daldowie and Linn Crematoria still operate on a 30 minute window, when many others (even Paisley, Woodside) have now increased the time allowed to 45 mins.
There are many other reasons for the switch to the private and charity operated crematoriums, some of these are down to recommendations from clergy, funeral directors and others. Some clergy have began recommending certain crematoria for various reasons, including the way the place is managed, the response of staff, the welcome and facilities present etc.
Glasgow was told, knew it was coming and done the usual thing, buried it's head in the sand.
As for private crematoria, well Craigton has operated for many years and is owned by the Co-operative Group, Glasgow (Maryhill) by the Scottish Cremation Society and they have served the city well.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:58pm Mon 14 Apr 08
The solution here accoring to G.C.C. & councils in similar financial situations IS NOT & CANNOT be seen to be Privatisation, as the only alternative!
Other means of turning over Council run facilities to Community run facilities, with the public having far more input & say must be looked at.
As with the transfer of Housing Stock to GHA, it has definately been seen as having huge downfalls as well as plus points.
The liabilities of those private companies & means of ensuring the right to running previously council run services should be put out to tender every 5 years, as a matter of fairness & equality & to ensure the highest bidder & best quality contractor for the job.
No one company should be given the exclusive rights to ownership over the running of services.
Just as with "Culture & Sport" who have taken over the Council run "Culture & Leisure" - I would seriously hope that should the leisure centres, libraries, and other facilities running worsen considerably - the right to put them out to tender or take them out of the hands of "Culture & Sport" would be there.
G.C.C. may be trying to juggle with its budgetary deficits and problems with debt.
However, if G.C.C's latest decision of turning over its crematoria & cemetories to the private sector is to be considered, it must be done with far wider public consultation, and a far greater level of sensitivity.
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The solution here accoring to G.C.C. & councils in similar financial situations IS NOT & CANNOT be seen to be Privatisation, as the only alternative!
Other means of turning over Council run facilities to Community run facilities, with the public having far more input & say must be looked at.
As with the transfer of Housing Stock to GHA, it has definately been seen as having huge downfalls as well as plus points.
The liabilities of those private companies & means of ensuring the right to running previously council run services should be put out to tender every 5 years, as a matter of fairness & equality & to ensure the highest bidder & best quality contractor for the job.
No one company should be given the exclusive rights to ownership over the running of services.
Just as with "Culture & Sport" who have taken over the Council run "Culture & Leisure" - I would seriously hope that should the leisure centres, libraries, and other facilities running worsen considerably - the right to put them out to tender or take them out of the hands of "Culture & Sport" would be there.
G.C.C. may be trying to juggle with its budgetary deficits and problems with debt.
However, if G.C.C's latest decision of turning over its crematoria & cemetories to the private sector is to be considered, it must be done with far wider public consultation, and a far greater level of sensitivity.
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Posted by: jack scot, glasgow on 10:24pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Is there anything the city council won't sell?.
if the council income from crematoria is dropping then surely it's down to bad external management,the same ones that seem to be now looking for a way out.
Would it be in the public's interest for all four of glasgow's crematoria to be in private hands? Absolutely not! This would mean profit and targets would be more important than providing grieving families with an unbiased quality service .
If anyone is in doubt, then they only need to look at the differance between private funeral directors and large companies .
Do we the Glasgow Council tax payers want to use crematoria which are providing an unbiased ublic service to the city ....or a private company which would rather try and sell products to meet profit margins than giving you honest advice.
Is there anything the city council won't sell?.
if the council income from crematoria is dropping then surely it's down to bad external management,the same ones that seem to be now looking for a way out.
Would it be in the public's interest for all four of glasgow's crematoria to be in private hands? Absolutely not! This would mean profit and targets would be more important than providing grieving families with an unbiased quality service .
If anyone is in doubt, then they only need to look at the differance between private funeral directors and large companies .
Do we the Glasgow Council tax payers want to use crematoria which are providing an unbiased ublic service to the city ....or a private company which would rather try and sell products to meet profit margins than giving you honest advice.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:48pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Aye, never a more true word said Jack.
These two - faced, greedy councillors can't even respect the dead, never mind the living.
As for how much the council would be prepared to sell ?
Let me see. . . . .
What has it got left that it could sell next ?
Maybe folk could start looking at the odds / evens of what G.C.C. will be putting up for sale next ? Place your betts now!!!
On a more serious note - it's up to us the electorate to kick up a stink if we're not happy about this move.
Those who moan about it to friends, and neighbours, folk on the buses & then do nothing by way of objecting must give such apathy the side-kick it deserves.
We have little or no say in politics - other than every 4 years in elections. Lets not see our privilage & right to object in planning or council proposals - consultations, however shoddy neglected."Use it or lose it!" Its that simple!
Aye, never a more true word said Jack.
These two - faced, greedy councillors can't even respect the dead, never mind the living.
As for how much the council would be prepared to sell ?
Let me see. . . . .
What has it got left that it could sell next ?
Maybe folk could start looking at the odds / evens of what G.C.C. will be putting up for sale next ? Place your betts now!!!
On a more serious note - it's up to us the electorate to kick up a stink if we're not happy about this move.
Those who moan about it to friends, and neighbours, folk on the buses & then do nothing by way of objecting must give such apathy the side-kick it deserves.
We have little or no say in politics - other than every 4 years in elections. Lets not see our privilage & right to object in planning or council proposals - consultations, however shoddy neglected."Use it or lose it!" Its that simple!
Posted by: firefly, east kilbride on 10:53pm Mon 14 Apr 08
What is happening to our so called "public" services? Local authorities are in a dire state of affairs; first Aberdeen and now Glasgow, but both appear incapable of managing their own financial affairs. There is no denying the fact that the council tax freeze will make things worse in the future - tax payers the length and breadth of the country need to be made aware of the reality for them as service users and the dependents on the services provided. Older people, children and the disabled in care are being treated lik numbers with decisions being taken about their care financially and not what is best for them. Our services are being lost slowly but surely. Why should the crucial role bereavement sevices provide to all, regardless of class, income and creed be passed over to money makers? Why try and mend something which is not broken? I have attended several services at the Linn Crematorium on the south side in the past 3 or so years (one of which was a close family member). These services were delivered impeccably, with a high degree of sensitivity and humility. The premises and grounds are immaculately maintained and you can feel a real sense of pride and investment in how staff carry out their duties. At one service I attended which was very large, with another arriving, there appeared to be a problem with conjestion, but staff again dealt with this sensitively and emotively.
On the other hand, I have attended services in the private sector, where the emphasis is clearly "one out another in", cold manner and money, money, money.
WHY FIX SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT BROKEN?!!!
Leave our honest and dedicated public servants to do the jobs they are skilled and committed to do and remove the bureaucracy higher up. Councillor Purcell.lead your council, focus on retaining public services for the good of all Glasgow citizens. All this, before the Commonwealth Games - they are not, and never will be, the be all and end all!
What is happening to our so called "public" services? Local authorities are in a dire state of affairs; first Aberdeen and now Glasgow, but both appear incapable of managing their own financial affairs. There is no denying the fact that the council tax freeze will make things worse in the future - tax payers the length and breadth of the country need to be made aware of the reality for them as service users and the dependents on the services provided. Older people, children and the disabled in care are being treated lik numbers with decisions being taken about their care financially and not what is best for them. Our services are being lost slowly but surely. Why should the crucial role bereavement sevices provide to all, regardless of class, income and creed be passed over to money makers? Why try and mend something which is not broken? I have attended several services at the Linn Crematorium on the south side in the past 3 or so years (one of which was a close family member). These services were delivered impeccably, with a high degree of sensitivity and humility. The premises and grounds are immaculately maintained and you can feel a real sense of pride and investment in how staff carry out their duties. At one service I attended which was very large, with another arriving, there appeared to be a problem with conjestion, but staff again dealt with this sensitively and emotively.
On the other hand, I have attended services in the private sector, where the emphasis is clearly "one out another in", cold manner and money, money, money.
WHY FIX SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT BROKEN?!!!
Leave our honest and dedicated public servants to do the jobs they are skilled and committed to do and remove the bureaucracy higher up. Councillor Purcell.lead your council, focus on retaining public services for the good of all Glasgow citizens. All this, before the Commonwealth Games - they are not, and never will be, the be all and end all!
Posted by: firefly, east kilbride on 11:06pm Mon 14 Apr 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
Aye, never a more true word said Jack. These two - faced, greedy councillors can't even respect the dead, never mind the living. As for how much the council would be prepared to sell ? Let me see. . . . . What has it got left that it could sell next ? Maybe folk could start looking at the odds / evens of what G.C.C. will be putting up for sale next ? Place your betts now!!! On a more serious note - it's up to us the electorate to kick up a stink if we're not happy about this move. Those who moan about it to friends, and neighbours, folk on the buses & then do nothing by way of objecting must give such apathy the side-kick it deserves. We have little or no say in politics - other than every 4 years in elections. Lets not see our privilage & right to object in planning or council proposals - consultations, however shoddy neglected."Use it or lose it!" Its that simple! [/quote] so do nothing and loose the pubic services we pay for and entrust to our councilers or
draw a line in the sand and say we have had enough.
that line[quote]quote[/quote] is our crematotia.
time to act.
People Power wrote:
Aye, never a more true word said Jack. These two - faced, greedy councillors can't even respect the dead, never mind the living. As for how much the council would be prepared to sell ? Let me see. . . . . What has it got left that it could sell next ? Maybe folk could start looking at the odds / evens of what G.C.C. will be putting up for sale next ? Place your betts now!!! On a more serious note - it's up to us the electorate to kick up a stink if we're not happy about this move. Those who moan about it to friends, and neighbours, folk on the buses & then do nothing by way of objecting must give such apathy the side-kick it deserves. We have little or no say in politics - other than every 4 years in elections. Lets not see our privilage & right to object in planning or council proposals - consultations, however shoddy neglected."Use it or lose it!" Its that simple!
so do nothing and loose the pubic services we pay for and entrust to our councilers or
draw a line in the sand and say we have had enough.
that line
quote
is our crematotia.
time to act.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:09pm Mon 14 Apr 08
firefly, East Kilbride, never a more true word said:
[quote]Councillor Purcell. Lead your council, focus on retaining public services for the good of all Glasgow citizens. All this, before the Commonwealth Games - they are not, and never will be, the be all and end all![/quote]
Councillor Purcells photoshoots, and press releases are all well & good - but what does he care about the average, or low waged person?
The lead up to, and following the 2014 Commonwealth Games will start to bite the most supporting and well wishing of people who want to see Glasgow host the commonwealth Games.
But at what cost to all its public servants jobs, council run services, the quality of care we receive from council run care facilities, council funded day care centres - the list goes on.
Innevitably many of our services & facilities will feel the pinch, and suffer greatly. The shortfalls may be subtle, the cuts will be devastating - not least to those who are in the most need, the most isolated, debilitated, elderly, and disabled.
How can this City Council let down its pensionable public in such a terrible way.
Can they not even die in dignity anymore ?
Shocking!
firefly, East Kilbride, never a more true word said:
Councillor Purcell. Lead your council, focus on retaining public services for the good of all Glasgow citizens. All this, before the Commonwealth Games - they are not, and never will be, the be all and end all!
Councillor Purcells photoshoots, and press releases are all well & good - but what does he care about the average, or low waged person?
The lead up to, and following the 2014 Commonwealth Games will start to bite the most supporting and well wishing of people who want to see Glasgow host the commonwealth Games.
But at what cost to all its public servants jobs, council run services, the quality of care we receive from council run care facilities, council funded day care centres - the list goes on.
Innevitably many of our services & facilities will feel the pinch, and suffer greatly. The shortfalls may be subtle, the cuts will be devastating - not least to those who are in the most need, the most isolated, debilitated, elderly, and disabled.
How can this City Council let down its pensionable public in such a terrible way.
Can they not even die in dignity anymore ?
Shocking!
Posted by: ricey59, glasgow on 8:17pm Tue 15 Apr 08
I can see it all now I predict we will be charged to park in the cemetery to bury our loved ones.New parking meters set around and change machines,no ticket turfed out coffin and all
I can see it all now I predict we will be charged to park in the cemetery to bury our loved ones.New parking meters set around and change machines,no ticket turfed out coffin and all
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:51pm Tue 15 Apr 08
Worse still, herses booked with parking tickets and loved ones unable to park at funderal burials - does this council have any idea of the damage it is doing ?
Its insensivity is unbelieveable!
Worse still, herses booked with parking tickets and loved ones unable to park at funderal burials - does this council have any idea of the damage it is doing ?
Its insensivity is unbelieveable!
Posted by: George Brown, Glasgow on 10:23pm Tue 15 Apr 08
How on earth can some one claim low usage of a cemetry, as in the opening comment, I was always under the impression that folk were dying to get into these places.
How on earth can some one claim low usage of a cemetry, as in the opening comment, I was always under the impression that folk were dying to get into these places.
Posted by: weegielady, glasgow on 9:38pm Wed 16 Apr 08
[quote][bold]George Brown[/bold] wrote:
How on earth can some one claim low usage of a cemetry, as in the opening comment, I was always under the impression that folk were dying to get into these places.[/quote] pretty sick us glaswegians lol
funny though ..
George Brown wrote:
How on earth can some one claim low usage of a cemetry, as in the opening comment, I was always under the impression that folk were dying to get into these places.
pretty sick us glaswegians lol
funny though ..
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