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24-hour Big Macs’ bid vetoed by city council
 
 

by Chris Musson

A BID to sell Big Macs round the clock has been blocked by Glasgow councillors.

McDonald's were refused permission to open more all-night drive-through sections. But the firm was given permission to serve food at Darnley, and Helen Street in Govan, until 3am.

The Evening Times told last week how SNP councillor Patricia Gibson had written to licensing chiefs saying the proposal would encourage unhealthy eating.

Today Mrs Gibson, who admitted she was known to have the occasional McDonald's, said: "I still think it's completely unnecessary to sell burgers at three in the morning in a residential area. I don't think there's the demand."

Both restaurants were open until 11pm, with a drive-through service until 1am. The licensing committee decision means the restaurants will still shut at 11pm, but the drive-through can stay open until 3am every day.

Following last week's article, Mrs Gibson was criticised on our letters page for her objection.

Graham Gartshore from Airdrie wrote: "What right has Councillor Patricia Gibson to dictate when and what people eat?"

Today, Mrs Gibson said: "I made it very clear that we can't stop people choosing. But we certainly don't want to be encouraging unhealthy eating."

The Greater Pollok councillor said Glasgow should follow the example of Liverpool, where the council wants to ban Happy Meals over claims they are contributing to the childhood obesity epidemic.

McDonald's on Springburn Road is the only one in Glasgow to have the round-the-clock opening.

The firm said one of the reasons for wanting 24-hour opening was to provide food and drink to shift workers such as police officers, firefighters and taxi drivers.

It also responded to criticism of its food by saying it had revamped its menu in recent years - introducing salads and fruit following stinging criticism.

A McDonald's spokesman said: "Both restaurants are awaiting written feedback from the committee which outlines the terms and conditions of the new licence. We will await this correspondence with interest.

"Extending the hours of any business does place more responsibility on it to continue to ensure it is having a positive impact on the local community. We will continue to work closely with the authorities and the local community in both of these areas to ensure this is the case."

Publication date 15/04/08

Posted by: weegielady, glasgow on 11:40am Tue 15 Apr 08
asdas/tescos etc is open 24hrs in some areas , they sell microwave burgers and no ones got any fatter.

Folk who work nightshift have the right to eat a roll ,and weans won't be up eating at 3am..they won't be at the drive thru windae in their BMX

Anyway, as mcdonlads state they serve healthy choices now so to me, its no any different from a 24 hr garage or an asda, sells food to the public, some hot some cooked, big wow.

But I'd rather live next to a mcd drive thru that was open 24hrs as a pub or a casino

like was stated, Springburn branch has been open late for many moons and would've closed down had no one been hungry in wee early hours.

Folk will always need to eat and we are not all a nation of fatties.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:45am Tue 15 Apr 08
I agree with Gibson on this. There is no need for a MCDonalds in a residential area to be open up to 3am on a weekday night. The amount of rubbish surrounding areas that have a residential Mcdonalds is relentless. Take a look at the nitshill road McDoanlds on a friday afternoon and the you see rubbish strewn over the road , in the car park and blown in to residential areas. And all becasue people are to lazy to go home and cook themself something. Pathetic.
Posted by: jenniewilson, Glasgow on 12:09pm Tue 15 Apr 08
I don't go to McDonald's but still think it should be up to people to decide what they eat. I'm unsure about this decision.

If it was rejected because of issues about its location e.g. late night revellers being loud in a residenital area then that's legitimate.

However if it wasn't then surely it's just telling people what they can and can't eat. If Patricia Gibson is correct that there is no demand (and I think she may be) then the problem would solve itself as McDonald's would stop the service after a while.

Surely that's the best way to test this?
Posted by: Happychappy, glasgow on 1:54pm Tue 15 Apr 08
I would let them open from 10.00pm to 6.00am. Every night.

And close them during the day.

Yes let people eat that dross if they choose to, but don't let them feed that crap to their kids.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 2:55pm Tue 15 Apr 08
But happychappy , would you be happy to have that McDonalds across the road from your house? with all that waste, rubbish and drunks fighting?
Posted by: stmonan, Glasgow on 4:19pm Tue 15 Apr 08
What complete nonsense. A business should only be prevented from opening if there is any real harm caused to anyone else because of that which cancels out the benefit to others.

If you don't like McDonald's because the food's lardy or because they cause litter then that's an argument for closing them down altogether, not restricting their hours. If I want to buy a burger at 4am and someone is willing to sell me one then there needs to be a better reason for preventing that than some self-righteous councillor telling me I need to lose a few pounds.

Most of the bloaters and annoying neds probably go during the day anyway.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 4:38pm Tue 15 Apr 08
Meep wrote:
But happychappy , would you be happy to have that McDonalds across the road from your house? with all that waste, rubbish and drunks fighting?
mcd's sells booze?!

ya beautie!
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 5:37pm Tue 15 Apr 08
yerauldda wrote:
Meep wrote: But happychappy , would you be happy to have that McDonalds across the road from your house? with all that waste, rubbish and drunks fighting?
mcd's sells booze?! ya beautie!
Aye a Big Mac and a pint of MadDogg'lds please !
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:31pm Tue 15 Apr 08

Meep I agree with you, its one thing for folk to buy a burger to microwave from a 24hr Asda, and have it at home.

Its something else to see the kind of scurge attracted to a McD's open till 3am, and the noise levels associated with it. The disruption, noise and trouble.

Those who go to McD's aren't all trouble makers, or crims, but a heck of a lot of them are youngsters who shouldn't even be out at the times of night we see them ?

Where the heck are their parents ?

Anyway - who wants to see more money being cyphoned off to the American economy, when we're going through enough turmoil economically ourselves.

The U.S strips enough money from the UK through Walmart taking over ASDA and McD's etc.
Lets not see any more of our £'s being converted into Dollars, which in the end some of will be used to fund the illegal war.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 7:38pm Tue 15 Apr 08
Mcdonalds restaurants that are open at that time will ONLY serve through the the Drive Thru - not to drunks walking up to the window, not to kids on bikes - people in cars where hopefully at least one person is sober.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 7:41pm Tue 15 Apr 08
Last time I looked the Helen street branch was hardly in the middle of a residential area anyway!!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:56pm Tue 15 Apr 08

Fairdoos,

All I was pointing out was the way there was a potential for attracting youngsters & folk who as you say if in cars - "where hopefully at least one person is sober"

The issue people may not of looked at is the wages of staff, probably far less than they should or could be for working such anti-social hours.

Would be interested to know who would be that desperate to work till 3am, in McD's anyway, with the pay, terms & conditions of somewhere like McD's which I'm sure are far from ideal.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 8:20pm Tue 15 Apr 08
Quote from council workers story:Mr Purcell said: "We wish to consult with the trade unions on ways we can reorganise our services to reflect the fact Glasgow is now a seven-day-a-week, 24-hour-a-day modern city.

So much for the 24hour-a-day modern city,how happy will these people be when they can't sleep for the noise of their bins being emptied and their streets swept?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:25pm Tue 15 Apr 08

A 24 hour city for who's benefit ?

All very well us having fast food outlets, and not necessarily the healthiest or cheapest options.

What we need is variety, and far more scope & vision.

We already have 24 hour delivery freight lorries delivering to supermarkets at all times of day & night.

This is only set to get worse & increase as the demand for ? or number of inner city & out of town massive Supermarkets are built.

Anyone who lives near a huge supermarket will know the way in which these HGV's shake & vibrate tenement buildings when passing, due to the crumbling shoddily built roads they travel on.

As for Purcell's so called quote: The usual turd & tripe we know to expect to come from his lips.
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 11:33pm Tue 15 Apr 08
Mrs.Gibson thinks there will be no demand for 24 hour service. Rest assured that if she is proved correct McDonald's will quickly cease and desist providing the service. We have had 24 hour service in some McDonald's for years now and there are little or no problems with youth congregating around the facilities. Perhaps your young people cause more trouble than those on this side of the ocean, but I doubt that. If Mrs.Gibson believes not allowing the 24 hour opening will help people eat better she is living in LaLa land.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 12:36pm Wed 16 Apr 08
MSP Andy Kerr will be upset.... Thank goodness the Scottish Government have saved A/E's...
What a worry it would have been during a mental breakdown Andy, if you had nowhere to go for prompt treatment..



Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:16pm Wed 16 Apr 08

brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada, to be quite frank, Glasgow & Toronto are by no way comparable, when it comes to youth disorder or the kind of problems Glasgow has to deal with.

if Torontos councillors were as backwards and two-faced as too many of ours in Glasgow you may not be so hairy fairy about McD's Drive Thru's being as non - problematic as you say.
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