Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:04am Tue 22 Apr 08
Riverside Museum, Squinty Bridge and now Squiggly Bridge... over-budget, knackered or very late ...is that part of the Clyde Glasgow's architectural equivalent to the 'Bermuda Triangle' or is it yet another example of the council's [bold]rampant incompetence[/bold] in all matters planning?
Riverside Museum, Squinty Bridge and now Squiggly Bridge... over-budget, knackered or very late ...is that part of the Clyde Glasgow's architectural equivalent to the 'Bermuda Triangle' or is it yet another example of the council's
rampant incompetence in all matters planning?
Posted by: Shifty, Anniesland on 11:20am Tue 22 Apr 08
Just as well there's another bridge about 100 yards from the site. Makes you wonder why they bothered.
Just as well there's another bridge about 100 yards from the site. Makes you wonder why they bothered.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:21am Tue 22 Apr 08
Hilarious.
Posted by: Mr T, Glasgow on 11:30am Tue 22 Apr 08
no one calls it or will call it the Squiggle bridge the ET are just a bunch of brainless clowns who lack creativity and ability to be orginal and new....
no one calls it or will call it the Squiggle bridge the ET are just a bunch of brainless clowns who lack creativity and ability to be orginal and new....
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:46am Tue 22 Apr 08
No surprise here then - why does the E.T. always insist on printing stories which we could of dreamt up ourselves.
This was bound to happen - afterall look at the "Squinty Bridge" fiasco.
Also, in relation to the new RIverside Museum, have people seen the leaflets requesting the public donate towards it a second time.
First through taxation ( is that not enough) and secondly, cheekily through a monetary donation.
Pay for this yourselves G.C.C - lets see some Councillors making donations out their expenses, or better still cap the budget for projects of this scale.
The way in which so many builds run grossly over budget & all too often at our expense must be curbed.
Building materials may go up in price, but the delays in labour on site are a disgrace & workee's had better either pull their finger out their knicker elastic, or the bosses need to hire skilled labourers, not money grabbing, skiving no-gooders.
If Glasgow is to have so many new builds within it - lets at least see the quality of building work worth the money payed.
& not a penny more coming out the public purse when it runs over - budget!
No surprise here then - why does the E.T. always insist on printing stories which we could of dreamt up ourselves.
This was bound to happen - afterall look at the "Squinty Bridge" fiasco.
Also, in relation to the new RIverside Museum, have people seen the leaflets requesting the public donate towards it a second time.
First through taxation ( is that not enough) and secondly, cheekily through a monetary donation.
Pay for this yourselves G.C.C - lets see some Councillors making donations out their expenses, or better still cap the budget for projects of this scale.
The way in which so many builds run grossly over budget & all too often at our expense must be curbed.
Building materials may go up in price, but the delays in labour on site are a disgrace & workee's had better either pull their finger out their knicker elastic, or the bosses need to hire skilled labourers, not money grabbing, skiving no-gooders.
If Glasgow is to have so many new builds within it - lets at least see the quality of building work worth the money payed.
& not a penny more coming out the public purse when it runs over - budget!
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:55am Tue 22 Apr 08
Someone needs to hold the designer and architects of this bridge to account. How did they think that their design would be durable when there are so many things that could go wrong with it? What have modern day engineers lost in knowledge that the old engineers of the past had? A sad reflection of a lack of common sense and intellgence in basic building techniques. Tragic.
Someone needs to hold the designer and architects of this bridge to account. How did they think that their design would be durable when there are so many things that could go wrong with it? What have modern day engineers lost in knowledge that the old engineers of the past had? A sad reflection of a lack of common sense and intellgence in basic building techniques. Tragic.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:02pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Yes Meep, looks like Architects need to go back to the drawing board literally, and not always rely on "Computer Aided Design" - P.C.'s & their programmes aren't always the way forwards or the preferred choice by those used to the old pen & paper.
As for the engineers - clearly they need to train longer, be observed practically more, and have less theory & more practice.
Where is the good of being able to write a 1,000 word assignment if they can't even screw a bolt in properly.
Doesn't make Glasgow look so good in the bigger picture really.
Yes Meep, looks like Architects need to go back to the drawing board literally, and not always rely on "Computer Aided Design" - P.C.'s & their programmes aren't always the way forwards or the preferred choice by those used to the old pen & paper.
As for the engineers - clearly they need to train longer, be observed practically more, and have less theory & more practice.
Where is the good of being able to write a 1,000 word assignment if they can't even screw a bolt in properly.
Doesn't make Glasgow look so good in the bigger picture really.
Posted by: Forbes Aiken, Glasgow on 12:06pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote]What have modern day engineers lost in knowledge that the old engineers of the past had?[/quote]
Would that be like the old engineer who designed the original Tay Bridge?
What have modern day engineers lost in knowledge that the old engineers of the past had?
Would that be like the old engineer who designed the original Tay Bridge?
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 12:07pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Mr T[/bold] wrote:
no one calls it or will call it the Squiggle bridge the ET are just a bunch of brainless clowns who lack creativity and ability to be orginal and new....[/quote] Why do clowns like you post on this forum you have nothing to contribute,..
Mr T wrote:
no one calls it or will call it the Squiggle bridge the ET are just a bunch of brainless clowns who lack creativity and ability to be orginal and new....
Why do clowns like you post on this forum you have nothing to contribute,..
Posted by: Jaym, Glasgow on 12:47pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote]looks like Architects need to go back to the drawing board literally, and not always rely on "Computer Aided Design" - P.C.'s & their programmes aren't always the way forwards or the preferred choice by those used to the old pen & paper.[/quote]
Eh? CAD is just a draughting program. It doesn't design or work anything out. You don't just type into the computer "Bridge please" and out pops a design!!
You stick to your pen and paper.... and don't forget your razor blade to scrape out your mistakes; oh, and your masking tape to keep the paper on the board; oh, and make sure someone hasn't adjusted your sheet ever so slighlty so all of a sudden you aren't drawing at 180 degs anymore!
Anyway, how can Glasgow ever hope to host the 2014 games if this is the state of construction in Glasgow?
looks like Architects need to go back to the drawing board literally, and not always rely on "Computer Aided Design" - P.C.'s & their programmes aren't always the way forwards or the preferred choice by those used to the old pen & paper.
Eh? CAD is just a draughting program. It doesn't design or work anything out. You don't just type into the computer "Bridge please" and out pops a design!!
You stick to your pen and paper.... and don't forget your razor blade to scrape out your mistakes; oh, and your masking tape to keep the paper on the board; oh, and make sure someone hasn't adjusted your sheet ever so slighlty so all of a sudden you aren't drawing at 180 degs anymore!
Anyway, how can Glasgow ever hope to host the 2014 games if this is the state of construction in Glasgow?
Posted by: CM, Whiteinch on 12:49pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Never mind the squiggly bridge, when are we getting the promised Clyde Fastlink? Nothing has been said on it for ages now. It seems to be nothing more than a set of fancy drawings used to sell some posh flats up the road, with no intention of delivering once the flats are sold! I hope I am wrong.
Never mind the squiggly bridge, when are we getting the promised Clyde Fastlink? Nothing has been said on it for ages now. It seems to be nothing more than a set of fancy drawings used to sell some posh flats up the road, with no intention of delivering once the flats are sold! I hope I am wrong.
Posted by: CM, Whiteinch on 12:49pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Never mind the squiggly bridge, when are we getting the promised Clyde Fastlink? Nothing has been said on it for ages now. It seems to be nothing more than a set of fancy drawings used to sell some posh flats up the road, with no intention of delivering once the flats are sold! I hope I am wrong.
Never mind the squiggly bridge, when are we getting the promised Clyde Fastlink? Nothing has been said on it for ages now. It seems to be nothing more than a set of fancy drawings used to sell some posh flats up the road, with no intention of delivering once the flats are sold! I hope I am wrong.
Posted by: CM, Whiteinch on 12:50pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Never mind the squiggly bridge, when are we getting the promised Clyde Fastlink? Nothing has been said on it for ages now. It seems to be nothing more than a set of fancy drawings used to sell some posh flats up the road, with no intention of delivering once the flats are sold! I hope I am wrong.
Never mind the squiggly bridge, when are we getting the promised Clyde Fastlink? Nothing has been said on it for ages now. It seems to be nothing more than a set of fancy drawings used to sell some posh flats up the road, with no intention of delivering once the flats are sold! I hope I am wrong.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 1:09pm Tue 22 Apr 08
I'm sure that when completed this bridge will add to all the other structural delights within modern day Glesca..
I'm sure that when completed this bridge will add to all the other structural delights within modern day Glesca..
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 1:35pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote]Where is the good of being able to write a 1,000 word assignment if they can't even screw a bolt in properly.[/quote]
Worse, when the bolt isn't even a British Standards one.
Where is the good of being able to write a 1,000 word assignment if they can't even screw a bolt in properly.
Worse, when the bolt isn't even a British Standards one.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 2:59pm Tue 22 Apr 08
CM, since you asked three times... it's stuffed. Well, looks that way. Government are unlikely to pay for it and so are the Council. Something may move but don't ask when: neither side seems willing to budge.
CM, since you asked three times... it's stuffed. Well, looks that way. Government are unlikely to pay for it and so are the Council. Something may move but don't ask when: neither side seems willing to budge.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 3:32pm Tue 22 Apr 08
The bridge will be a much loved addition to the Clyde side, which has improved out of site under the Labour Council. A slight delay the citizens of Glasgow understand, as we all know the benefits it will bring to us all.
The bridge will be a much loved addition to the Clyde side, which has improved out of site under the Labour Council. A slight delay the citizens of Glasgow understand, as we all know the benefits it will bring to us all.
Posted by: FMJ, Glasgow on 4:26pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Frank[/bold] wrote:
The bridge will be a much loved addition to the Clyde side, which has improved out of site under the Labour Council. A slight delay the citizens of Glasgow understand, as we all know the benefits it will bring to us all.[/quote] Your surname's not McAveety by any chance, is it?
And in response to Meep asking what modern engineers have lost compared to their forebears, the answer is company bosses proud enough to want a job done well instead of cheaply and politicians who can keep their noses out of the actual construction.
Scottish parliament was a great example - after a design was chosen and a price quoted (i.e. made up), MSPs started demanding changes in size and structure, threw out the plans for all-Scottish materials in favour of cheaper stuff off the back of a lorry and then bleated about the project being late.
You want something done right? Leave the experts to get on with it - and stop rewarding incompetent company directors with massive bonuses and pay-offs just because their potentially disastrous cutting of corners gave the shareholders a temporary boost.
Frank wrote:
The bridge will be a much loved addition to the Clyde side, which has improved out of site under the Labour Council. A slight delay the citizens of Glasgow understand, as we all know the benefits it will bring to us all.
Your surname's not McAveety by any chance, is it?
And in response to Meep asking what modern engineers have lost compared to their forebears, the answer is company bosses proud enough to want a job done well instead of cheaply and politicians who can keep their noses out of the actual construction.
Scottish parliament was a great example - after a design was chosen and a price quoted (i.e. made up), MSPs started demanding changes in size and structure, threw out the plans for all-Scottish materials in favour of cheaper stuff off the back of a lorry and then bleated about the project being late.
You want something done right? Leave the experts to get on with it - and stop rewarding incompetent company directors with massive bonuses and pay-offs just because their potentially disastrous cutting of corners gave the shareholders a temporary boost.
Posted by: rocker, Glasgow on 4:41pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Grossly over-exagerrated. There isn't £5m european money at stake. It's much less than that and and it is secure.
Once this is complete i'm sure it will look great. Everyone is always so negative?
Market forces determine that these things always run bit over. Lets leave them to get on with it.
Grossly over-exagerrated. There isn't £5m european money at stake. It's much less than that and and it is secure.
Once this is complete i'm sure it will look great. Everyone is always so negative?
Market forces determine that these things always run bit over. Lets leave them to get on with it.
Posted by: weejoe, Glasgow on 5:10pm Tue 22 Apr 08
They should bring in American Bridge
Designers & Builders They know how to build Bridges,on time & at the price quoted.
They should bring in American Bridge
Designers & Builders They know how to build Bridges,on time & at the price quoted.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:14pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Aye okay jaym,
point taken on CAD, but the way architects are being forced to produce designs and plans far quicker than before - means theres bound to be mistakes, less than adequate or good quality designs or those which are made to last the test of time.
Fully agree with you here:
[quote]Anyway, how can Glasgow ever hope to host the 2014 games if this is the state of construction in Glasgow?[/quote]
Th state of play here is most worrying, as the quality of our buildings & flaws which are appearing is proof we have a real problem on our hands.
The Scottish Parliament Building,
Glasgows Clyde Arc - "Squinty Bridge"
Glasgow Harbourside Development
and now:
The Tradeston Bridge.
No doubt several other building projects have had flaws & constructive issues or problems and just haven't made it into the press.
What is being done to charge or fine those companies who are doing a less than proffessional or high quality job ?
And:
Why are we not seeing the cap placed on the cost of such projects to stop shoddy workmanship, and delays meaning the final cost spirals out of control.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH GLASGOW!
Aye okay jaym,
point taken on CAD, but the way architects are being forced to produce designs and plans far quicker than before - means theres bound to be mistakes, less than adequate or good quality designs or those which are made to last the test of time.
Fully agree with you here:
Anyway, how can Glasgow ever hope to host the 2014 games if this is the state of construction in Glasgow?
Th state of play here is most worrying, as the quality of our buildings & flaws which are appearing is proof we have a real problem on our hands.
The Scottish Parliament Building,
Glasgows Clyde Arc - "Squinty Bridge"
Glasgow Harbourside Development
and now:
The Tradeston Bridge.
No doubt several other building projects have had flaws & constructive issues or problems and just haven't made it into the press.
What is being done to charge or fine those companies who are doing a less than proffessional or high quality job ?
And:
Why are we not seeing the cap placed on the cost of such projects to stop shoddy workmanship, and delays meaning the final cost spirals out of control.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH GLASGOW!
Posted by: George Brown, Glasgow on 8:25pm Tue 22 Apr 08
come home Sir William Arrol all is forgiven.
Why can't they just build a bridge and be done with it?
If there is such a need for a bridge, why not get the experts in, the royal engineers could probably give us a pontoon capable of carrying tanks and the like, and with a little slack on mooring ties we could have all the wiggles and squiggles any bridge could ask for in fact under such circumstances it would probably be the straightest line a drunk would ever walk
come home Sir William Arrol all is forgiven.
Why can't they just build a bridge and be done with it?
If there is such a need for a bridge, why not get the experts in, the royal engineers could probably give us a pontoon capable of carrying tanks and the like, and with a little slack on mooring ties we could have all the wiggles and squiggles any bridge could ask for in fact under such circumstances it would probably be the straightest line a drunk would ever walk
Posted by: weegielady, the bridge of my nose on 9:31pm Tue 22 Apr 08
there are a lot of really clever contributors typing reponses to this thread, Im impressed.
[italic]When you're weary, feeling small,
When tears are in your eyes, I will dry them all;
Im on your side. when times get rough
And friends just cant be found,
Like a bridge over troubled water
I will lay me down.
Like a bridge over troubled water
I will lay me down.[/italic]
there are a lot of really clever contributors typing reponses to this thread, Im impressed.
When you're weary, feeling small,
When tears are in your eyes, I will dry them all;
Im on your side. when times get rough
And friends just cant be found,
Like a bridge over troubled water
I will lay me down.
Like a bridge over troubled water
I will lay me down. Posted by: farci, Glasgow on 7:58am Wed 23 Apr 08
"and that officials from Glasgow City Council, which is behind the project, [bold]were of the belief[/bold] that it had been under construction in a warehouse further up the Clyde since last October" Did nobody think to check - duh!
"and that officials from Glasgow City Council, which is behind the project,
were of the belief that it had been under construction in a warehouse further up the Clyde since last October" Did nobody think to check - duh!
Posted by: weegielady, under the bridge on 9:52am Wed 23 Apr 08
every day, i like to sap something more deep and menaingful to make you go hmmm.lol
A bridge is a structure built to span a gorge, valley, road, railroad track, river, body of water, or any other physical obstacle. Designs may be built higher than otherwise needed in order to allow other traffic (particularly ship traffic) beneath. therefore a bridge is built to unite two sides.in this case sides of the river clyde
but recently
[bold] two new bridges have done nothing but divide![/bold]
every day, i like to sap something more deep and menaingful to make you go hmmm.lol
A bridge is a structure built to span a gorge, valley, road, railroad track, river, body of water, or any other physical obstacle. Designs may be built higher than otherwise needed in order to allow other traffic (particularly ship traffic) beneath. therefore a bridge is built to unite two sides.in this case sides of the river clyde
but recently
two new bridges have done nothing but divide! Posted by: weegielady, glasgow on 10:01am Wed 23 Apr 08
[italic]god wish i had checked that spelling 'say' not 'sap' LOL and 'meaningful', typing is not my forte![/italic]
god wish i had checked that spelling 'say' not 'sap' LOL and 'meaningful', typing is not my forte! Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:51am Wed 23 Apr 08
Aye, the main difference people like you & others with a conscience can apologise or at least acknowlege when we say something incorrect.
Unlike our councillors who seem to make more mistakes more before they take an obvious u - turn.
Aye, the main difference people like you & others with a conscience can apologise or at least acknowlege when we say something incorrect.
Unlike our councillors who seem to make more mistakes more before they take an obvious u - turn.
Posted by: Alessandro, Airdrie on 10:52am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Forbes Aiken[/bold] wrote:
[quote]What have modern day engineers lost in knowledge that the old engineers of the past had?[/quote] Would that be like the old engineer who designed the original Tay Bridge?[/quote] No, more like the ones who designed the second Tay Bridge and the Forth Bridge, bridges that are still standing over 100 years later, lessons actually having been learned from the Tay Bridge disaster.
Whereas the squinty bridge broke within 18 months and the people responsible for that are designing the squiggly bridge. Mmmm... think i'll stick with the old bridges thanks.
Forbes Aiken wrote:
What have modern day engineers lost in knowledge that the old engineers of the past had?
Would that be like the old engineer who designed the original Tay Bridge?
No, more like the ones who designed the second Tay Bridge and the Forth Bridge, bridges that are still standing over 100 years later, lessons actually having been learned from the Tay Bridge disaster.
Whereas the squinty bridge broke within 18 months and the people responsible for that are designing the squiggly bridge. Mmmm... think i'll stick with the old bridges thanks.
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