Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:01am Wed 30 Apr 08
They are going to do it in manchester to help pay for more tram lines ,Mr Souter Runs Trams in manchester & Sheffield.!
They are going to do it in manchester to help pay for more tram lines ,Mr Souter Runs Trams in manchester & Sheffield.!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:35am Wed 30 Apr 08
Charges, however big - however small are NOT the way forwards, or the solution. They are just another cop out, or gimmick to detract the public from the real issue - them & us! Their & our responsibility to see things change for the better.
As soon as the spineless councillors start to make serious steps towards banning cars from parts of the city, or even having a congestion charge, not exactly the same as Londons, but on a similar line - we can cut the problem far quicker.
Ban the cars from areas where the incidence of asthma and other lung diseases are being exacerbated because of the increase in car owners - drivers. We cannot have the growth of Glasgow, in terms of its new housing, harbourside flats and other such developments,
without the growth of the roads infrastructure.
The alternative is to restrict the number of cars any new iner city housing development, or high rise properties on the Clyde have.
Have bus routes incorperate new developments along the Clyde, and offer incentives to lazy car drivers to leave their cars at home.
But - a charge is simply not good enough.
And nore radical action must be taken.
Also, why do we have the 4 x 4 people carriers and such gas guzzling cars. We are just turning into the slobs that some Americans are, with our Couch potato mentality, and our giant cars.
Those who drive such cars, and are clearly overweight and have ample amounts of money should think of the burden they are placing on the environment as well as the public purse, if they potentially develop diabetes and all other obesity related diseases.
This is about car drivers health and wellbeing, as much as the general non driving public. Some selfish car drivers need to wake up!
Charges, however big - however small are NOT the way forwards, or the solution. They are just another cop out, or gimmick to detract the public from the real issue - them & us! Their & our responsibility to see things change for the better.
As soon as the spineless councillors start to make serious steps towards banning cars from parts of the city, or even having a congestion charge, not exactly the same as Londons, but on a similar line - we can cut the problem far quicker.
Ban the cars from areas where the incidence of asthma and other lung diseases are being exacerbated because of the increase in car owners - drivers. We cannot have the growth of Glasgow, in terms of its new housing, harbourside flats and other such developments,
without the growth of the roads infrastructure.
The alternative is to restrict the number of cars any new iner city housing development, or high rise properties on the Clyde have.
Have bus routes incorperate new developments along the Clyde, and offer incentives to lazy car drivers to leave their cars at home.
But - a charge is simply not good enough.
And nore radical action must be taken.
Also, why do we have the 4 x 4 people carriers and such gas guzzling cars. We are just turning into the slobs that some Americans are, with our Couch potato mentality, and our giant cars.
Those who drive such cars, and are clearly overweight and have ample amounts of money should think of the burden they are placing on the environment as well as the public purse, if they potentially develop diabetes and all other obesity related diseases.
This is about car drivers health and wellbeing, as much as the general non driving public. Some selfish car drivers need to wake up!
Posted by: JC, Renfrewshire on 11:57am Wed 30 Apr 08
Why don't they start with the buses that pollute this and every other city before taxing the motorist? A good place to start could be those dodgy micro buses that scoot soot everywhere. Sort out the buses, and deliver a workable integrated system and timetable. After that then there can be little complaint. However, people need to get about and when commerce starts flexing its muscle due to falling profits the scheme will collapse.
Why don't they start with the buses that pollute this and every other city before taxing the motorist? A good place to start could be those dodgy micro buses that scoot soot everywhere. Sort out the buses, and deliver a workable integrated system and timetable. After that then there can be little complaint. However, people need to get about and when commerce starts flexing its muscle due to falling profits the scheme will collapse.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 12:04pm Wed 30 Apr 08
finally the day has come when we have to pat for fresh air. i knew this government were capable of anything.lol
finally the day has come when we have to pat for fresh air. i knew this government were capable of anything.lol
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 12:12pm Wed 30 Apr 08
i know this has nothing to do with this story, but isnt it a shame that Phil O'Donnells tribute match couldnt be Motherwell against a Celtic-rangers select? no im not an evangelist just thought it would be a nice thing to do.
i know this has nothing to do with this story, but isnt it a shame that Phil O'Donnells tribute match couldnt be Motherwell against a Celtic-rangers select? no im not an evangelist just thought it would be a nice thing to do.
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 12:12pm Wed 30 Apr 08
i know this has nothing to do with this story, but isnt it a shame that Phil O'Donnells tribute match couldnt be Motherwell against a Celtic-rangers select? no im not an evangelist just thought it would be a nice thing to do.
i know this has nothing to do with this story, but isnt it a shame that Phil O'Donnells tribute match couldnt be Motherwell against a Celtic-rangers select? no im not an evangelist just thought it would be a nice thing to do.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 12:14pm Wed 30 Apr 08
One of the greatest liberations for the working class person was the invention and mass distribution of the motor car.
Successive governments have done everything they can to try and curb that freedom.
One of the greatest liberations for the working class person was the invention and mass distribution of the motor car.
Successive governments have done everything they can to try and curb that freedom.
Posted by: Anabelle, glasgow on 12:36pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Do any of you buffoons actually read the articles prior to posting?
"Working class liberation = motor car" Rubbish. Clearing the cities of industrial smog and owercrowded slum-dwellings did far more to improve the lot of the working classes than a wee motor to nip to Asda ever did.
"Why don't they start with the busses" - Read the article you daftie. It's primarily busses, lorries, taxis which are to be targetted - not fuel-efficient family cars.
But I agree that public transport must be the benefactor of revenues received.
Do any of you buffoons actually read the articles prior to posting?
"Working class liberation = motor car" Rubbish. Clearing the cities of industrial smog and owercrowded slum-dwellings did far more to improve the lot of the working classes than a wee motor to nip to Asda ever did.
"Why don't they start with the busses" - Read the article you daftie. It's primarily busses, lorries, taxis which are to be targetted - not fuel-efficient family cars.
But I agree that public transport must be the benefactor of revenues received.
Posted by: JayBrown, Helensburgh on 12:52pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Buses in the City Centre are by far the worst contributors. If you get stuck behind one of them, the smell is disgusting, so i dread to thik what that is doing to people's health. Why can't they adopt, like many other councils buses that run on alternative fuels with little or no emissions! As for 4x4's there is on excuse there, they should be paying more. The average motorist should not be charged, instead more investment in the likes of shields Road park and ridewould be beneficial as it has been very popular and not too expensive. oh and the expansion of the subway would help!
Buses in the City Centre are by far the worst contributors. If you get stuck behind one of them, the smell is disgusting, so i dread to thik what that is doing to people's health. Why can't they adopt, like many other councils buses that run on alternative fuels with little or no emissions! As for 4x4's there is on excuse there, they should be paying more. The average motorist should not be charged, instead more investment in the likes of shields Road park and ridewould be beneficial as it has been very popular and not too expensive. oh and the expansion of the subway would help!
Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 1:16pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The centre of Glasgow should be a no-vehicle zone between 8am and 6pm!
The centre of Glasgow should be a no-vehicle zone between 8am and 6pm!
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 1:40pm Wed 30 Apr 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
Charges, however big - however small are NOT the way forwards, or the solution. They are just another cop out, or gimmick to detract the public from the real issue - them & us! Their & our responsibility to see things change for the better. As soon as the spineless councillors start to make serious steps towards banning cars from parts of the city, or even having a congestion charge, not exactly the same as Londons, but on a similar line - we can cut the problem far quicker. Ban the cars from areas where the incidence of asthma and other lung diseases are being exacerbated because of the increase in car owners - drivers. We cannot have the growth of Glasgow, in terms of its new housing, harbourside flats and other such developments, without the growth of the roads infrastructure. The alternative is to restrict the number of cars any new iner city housing development, or high rise properties on the Clyde have. Have bus routes incorperate new developments along the Clyde, and offer incentives to lazy car drivers to leave their cars at home. But - a charge is simply not good enough. And nore radical action must be taken. Also, why do we have the 4 x 4 people carriers and such gas guzzling cars. We are just turning into the slobs that some Americans are, with our Couch potato mentality, and our giant cars. Those who drive such cars, and are clearly overweight and have ample amounts of money should think of the burden they are placing on the environment as well as the public purse, if they potentially develop diabetes and all other obesity related diseases. This is about car drivers health and wellbeing, as much as the general non driving public. Some selfish car drivers need to wake up! [/quote] Options for "lazy car drivers" include walking or cycling - this will make those options less unpleasant.
You might like to blame cars and their drivers for everything but the facts don't fit wih your prejudices - "The main aim is to force the worst polluters - mainly bus and lorry operators - to replace or improve vehicles".
In defence of 4x4 drivers (not a lifestyle choice I would ever make), bearing in mind the potholed, speed-bump ridden state of our roads, I can see why some would resort to it, and they are already going to pay a lot more through existing taxation.
You can't just force everyone to live their life the way you choose to live yours.
People Power wrote:
Charges, however big - however small are NOT the way forwards, or the solution. They are just another cop out, or gimmick to detract the public from the real issue - them & us! Their & our responsibility to see things change for the better. As soon as the spineless councillors start to make serious steps towards banning cars from parts of the city, or even having a congestion charge, not exactly the same as Londons, but on a similar line - we can cut the problem far quicker. Ban the cars from areas where the incidence of asthma and other lung diseases are being exacerbated because of the increase in car owners - drivers. We cannot have the growth of Glasgow, in terms of its new housing, harbourside flats and other such developments, without the growth of the roads infrastructure. The alternative is to restrict the number of cars any new iner city housing development, or high rise properties on the Clyde have. Have bus routes incorperate new developments along the Clyde, and offer incentives to lazy car drivers to leave their cars at home. But - a charge is simply not good enough. And nore radical action must be taken. Also, why do we have the 4 x 4 people carriers and such gas guzzling cars. We are just turning into the slobs that some Americans are, with our Couch potato mentality, and our giant cars. Those who drive such cars, and are clearly overweight and have ample amounts of money should think of the burden they are placing on the environment as well as the public purse, if they potentially develop diabetes and all other obesity related diseases. This is about car drivers health and wellbeing, as much as the general non driving public. Some selfish car drivers need to wake up!
Options for "lazy car drivers" include walking or cycling - this will make those options less unpleasant.
You might like to blame cars and their drivers for everything but the facts don't fit wih your prejudices - "The main aim is to force the worst polluters - mainly bus and lorry operators - to replace or improve vehicles".
In defence of 4x4 drivers (not a lifestyle choice I would ever make), bearing in mind the potholed, speed-bump ridden state of our roads, I can see why some would resort to it, and they are already going to pay a lot more through existing taxation.
You can't just force everyone to live their life the way you choose to live yours.
Posted by: eastenddude, Glasgow on 1:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Typical start with the buses then within 6 months the average car driver will be paying through the nose to drive within the city centre.
Same old story lets hit the motorist.
I wonder if GCC will then relocate most of its fleet which is based within the city centre? - no, didnt think so!!
By all means pick on the non first buses that run old fleets which stink and the old taxis but leave us normal guys alone.
Whats next taxes on the cycles?
Typical start with the buses then within 6 months the average car driver will be paying through the nose to drive within the city centre.
Same old story lets hit the motorist.
I wonder if GCC will then relocate most of its fleet which is based within the city centre? - no, didnt think so!!
By all means pick on the non first buses that run old fleets which stink and the old taxis but leave us normal guys alone.
Whats next taxes on the cycles?
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 2:27pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"Clearing the cities of industrial smog and owercrowded slum-dwellings did far more to improve the lot of the working classes than a wee motor to nip to Asda ever did."
Yes, greater mobility, freedom to decide where and when they travelled, freedom to commute to their place of employment thus meaning they could more easily move from the crowded inner cities, freedom to go on holidays when they liked - yes, all these things did nothing for them.
Yes, bring back just 2 weeks holiday for the lumpen masses - and make them queue up like cattle at the Waverley for it. It's for the best.
"Clearing the cities of industrial smog and owercrowded slum-dwellings did far more to improve the lot of the working classes than a wee motor to nip to Asda ever did."
Yes, greater mobility, freedom to decide where and when they travelled, freedom to commute to their place of employment thus meaning they could more easily move from the crowded inner cities, freedom to go on holidays when they liked - yes, all these things did nothing for them.
Yes, bring back just 2 weeks holiday for the lumpen masses - and make them queue up like cattle at the Waverley for it. It's for the best.
Posted by: HOLY WILLIE, GLASGOW on 3:31pm Wed 30 Apr 08
It is against gods teachings to gamble but those of you transgressors who do so should be aware that the snatcher 505ascot is a good thing ew
It is against gods teachings to gamble but those of you transgressors who do so should be aware that the snatcher 505ascot is a good thing ew
Posted by: Alessandro, Airdrie on 4:23pm Wed 30 Apr 08
First like to bang on about their Euro-III and Euro-IV engines, but i've seen plenty of them belching out black smoke, modern diesels have to be maintained 100% or all the emission regulations are defeated.
@People Power
"Charges... are NOT the way forwards"
"banning cars from parts of the city, or even [bold]having a congestion charge[/bold] "
Can you explain this contradiction?
You also seem to make the classic anti-car mistake of assuming that everyone who drives does so because of laziness. In fact, some really don't have a viable alternative. Many do not have a decent bus service, they might be outwith a reasonable walking distance, and from an entirely personal point of view, my beer gut wouldn't look very good hanging over the waistband of lycra® shorts, so cycling is right out.
Nearly eleven years ago the new Labour Government promised to improve public transport. I personally am still waiting for this. To speak of yet more motoring taxation, or banning cars from this street and that street, without bothering to put any sort of alternative in place, is nothing short of discrimination.
First like to bang on about their Euro-III and Euro-IV engines, but i've seen plenty of them belching out black smoke, modern diesels have to be maintained 100% or all the emission regulations are defeated.
@People Power
"Charges... are NOT the way forwards"
"banning cars from parts of the city, or even
having a congestion charge "
Can you explain this contradiction?
You also seem to make the classic anti-car mistake of assuming that everyone who drives does so because of laziness. In fact, some really don't have a viable alternative. Many do not have a decent bus service, they might be outwith a reasonable walking distance, and from an entirely personal point of view, my beer gut wouldn't look very good hanging over the waistband of lycra® shorts, so cycling is right out.
Nearly eleven years ago the new Labour Government promised to improve public transport. I personally am still waiting for this. To speak of yet more motoring taxation, or banning cars from this street and that street, without bothering to put any sort of alternative in place, is nothing short of discrimination.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 4:38pm Wed 30 Apr 08
For car-owner read mugs, high fuel prices,ever increasing road tax, more speed cameras, parking tickets you didn't even know about,roadworks,more and more road furniture,the 8 second traffic -lights,congestion charges,potholes some of our smaller cars could disappear into.. and now this ! anyone want to buy a car?!!
For car-owner read mugs, high fuel prices,ever increasing road tax, more speed cameras, parking tickets you didn't even know about,roadworks,more and more road furniture,the 8 second traffic -lights,congestion charges,potholes some of our smaller cars could disappear into.. and now this ! anyone want to buy a car?!!
Posted by: JayBrown, Helensburgh on 4:44pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Whats the alternative 'People Power' an overcrowded, hot and unpleasant bus of train journey. I work in Paisley and stay in Helensburgh. The whole journey takes an hour and a half on the train with two train changes, 2 hours in the bus with all the stops, and 40 minutes by car. Its not out of laziness that i take the car, its a lot quicker and i get to work on time! Plus the train isn't exactly cheap!!!
Whats the alternative 'People Power' an overcrowded, hot and unpleasant bus of train journey. I work in Paisley and stay in Helensburgh. The whole journey takes an hour and a half on the train with two train changes, 2 hours in the bus with all the stops, and 40 minutes by car. Its not out of laziness that i take the car, its a lot quicker and i get to work on time! Plus the train isn't exactly cheap!!!
Posted by: Tamh, Glasgow on 4:48pm Wed 30 Apr 08
JayBrown this article is about exhaust emmissions not fuel consumption and most modern 4x4s have cleaner emmissions than some medium range family cars. The diesel burning vehicles such as busses, lorries and taxis are the biggest culprits
JayBrown this article is about exhaust emmissions not fuel consumption and most modern 4x4s have cleaner emmissions than some medium range family cars. The diesel burning vehicles such as busses, lorries and taxis are the biggest culprits
Posted by: JayBrown, Helensburgh on 4:57pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Yes 'Tamh' i know i am responding to a post which is insinuating that all car owners are lazy. I am justifying my use of the car!!! Plus i never mentioned fuel consumption, don't know where you got that from!!!
Yes 'Tamh' i know i am responding to a post which is insinuating that all car owners are lazy. I am justifying my use of the car!!! Plus i never mentioned fuel consumption, don't know where you got that from!!!
Posted by: dez0311, Glasgow on 5:00pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I think tackling the issue of CO2 is imperative however this is not the way we should be tackling this - someone already pointed out looking at something similar to the London congestion charge would be a good idea. I have worked with commercial vehicles for near on 16 years and can tell you that the manufacturers of these vehicles have been doing everything in order to reduce the CO2 on these vehicles and at present the emmissions on NEW vehicles are practicaly fresh air due to a product called "Ad-Blue". As for charging some form of tax on commercial vehicles, taxis etc would ultimately mean WE as paying customers would foot the bill, with the price of food etc already increasing this would be yet another tax that would drive prices up further (Remember the food has to be delivered somehow - mainly by Trucks/Vans) if you tax the delivery - we will pay the price.
I think tackling the issue of CO2 is imperative however this is not the way we should be tackling this - someone already pointed out looking at something similar to the London congestion charge would be a good idea. I have worked with commercial vehicles for near on 16 years and can tell you that the manufacturers of these vehicles have been doing everything in order to reduce the CO2 on these vehicles and at present the emmissions on NEW vehicles are practicaly fresh air due to a product called "Ad-Blue". As for charging some form of tax on commercial vehicles, taxis etc would ultimately mean WE as paying customers would foot the bill, with the price of food etc already increasing this would be yet another tax that would drive prices up further (Remember the food has to be delivered somehow - mainly by Trucks/Vans) if you tax the delivery - we will pay the price.
Posted by: Tamh, Glasgow on 5:05pm Wed 30 Apr 08
JayBrown you said in your post "As for 4x4's there is on excuse there, they should be paying more" and I pointed out that most modern 4x4s are cleaner than some medium family cars so why shoud they pay more? If the proposed toll was for using more fuel, then the 4x4s should pay more but as it is for exhaust emmissionds then, on this occassion, they should not be targetted above family cars.
As I said earlier diesel burners are generally dirtier than petrol burners so this is probably one time when the argument for more public transport, ie diesel burning busses, falls down
JayBrown you said in your post "As for 4x4's there is on excuse there, they should be paying more" and I pointed out that most modern 4x4s are cleaner than some medium family cars so why shoud they pay more? If the proposed toll was for using more fuel, then the 4x4s should pay more but as it is for exhaust emmissionds then, on this occassion, they should not be targetted above family cars.
As I said earlier diesel burners are generally dirtier than petrol burners so this is probably one time when the argument for more public transport, ie diesel burning busses, falls down
Posted by: hoolet, bellshill on 5:25pm Wed 30 Apr 08
this is just another money spinner for the government, hit the already struggling transport industry, how do they expect the city center shop to get stock , a fleet of transit vans? large companies buy the latest vehicles which now need an additive called adblu to make them cleaner but these lorries are less efficient than older lorries so it ends up costing companies more money using more fuel and the cost of the additive on top of that , it's just a pity that the corner shops have all been bulldozed for housing or we could all have walked to the shops, the only peole winning in this situation are the govenment who don't need to pay for most things transport and house improvements and the like
this is just another money spinner for the government, hit the already struggling transport industry, how do they expect the city center shop to get stock , a fleet of transit vans? large companies buy the latest vehicles which now need an additive called adblu to make them cleaner but these lorries are less efficient than older lorries so it ends up costing companies more money using more fuel and the cost of the additive on top of that , it's just a pity that the corner shops have all been bulldozed for housing or we could all have walked to the shops, the only peole winning in this situation are the govenment who don't need to pay for most things transport and house improvements and the like
Posted by: graeme, bristol on 5:29pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Oh what a wonderful way to hit the already poor, hard hit motorist in his ever diminishing pocket. Yet another stealth tax which will be enforced upon the motorist no matter who is in power.
Personally i think cyclists should aloso be taxed for using the road as well. No doubt there will be an outcry from people who frequent this site, however I am a motorist and I have to pay a road tax to use the roads in the Uk. Why dont cyclists get taxed? I have to pay to get my car Motd to ensure that it is road worthy. Why dont cyclists have to pay some form of Mot duty. I also have to pay an insurtance premiumn annually to make sure i am covered in an accidient. Surely cyclists as road users, should also pay some form of insurance, afterall a large majority of accidients involving cyclists and motorists are caused by cyclists. I am not saying that motorists are whiter than white, but i have seent some pretty stupid actions caused by cyclists that have resulted in an accidient Should they not pay there way as well??
As for 4x4s on the road I always believed that we lived in a democracy where we had freedom of choice in our lives. If somebody wants to go and buy a 4x4 then they should be able to spend their hard earned cash on whatever they want. We should no be dictated to by this council or goverment on our choices in life and that includes the choice of car we make. The road tax should be equal across the board for all cars including 4x4s. Somebody has already said that some of the newer 4x4s are cleaner that some of the low emission vehicles already on the road. Yet they are still taxed heavily. And now GCC ALSO WANT TO IMPOSE ANOTHER TAX OR FINE SYSTEM FOR SUPPOSEDLY THE HIGHER EMISSIONS VEHICLE? Great... do the buses first, but leave the motorist out of it.. Sorry they wont be able to .. they will require all the money they cvan get their grubby little hands to boost their already massive pension funds.
Sits back and waits for the storm that is surely coming his way.
Oh what a wonderful way to hit the already poor, hard hit motorist in his ever diminishing pocket. Yet another stealth tax which will be enforced upon the motorist no matter who is in power.
Personally i think cyclists should aloso be taxed for using the road as well. No doubt there will be an outcry from people who frequent this site, however I am a motorist and I have to pay a road tax to use the roads in the Uk. Why dont cyclists get taxed? I have to pay to get my car Motd to ensure that it is road worthy. Why dont cyclists have to pay some form of Mot duty. I also have to pay an insurtance premiumn annually to make sure i am covered in an accidient. Surely cyclists as road users, should also pay some form of insurance, afterall a large majority of accidients involving cyclists and motorists are caused by cyclists. I am not saying that motorists are whiter than white, but i have seent some pretty stupid actions caused by cyclists that have resulted in an accidient Should they not pay there way as well??
As for 4x4s on the road I always believed that we lived in a democracy where we had freedom of choice in our lives. If somebody wants to go and buy a 4x4 then they should be able to spend their hard earned cash on whatever they want. We should no be dictated to by this council or goverment on our choices in life and that includes the choice of car we make. The road tax should be equal across the board for all cars including 4x4s. Somebody has already said that some of the newer 4x4s are cleaner that some of the low emission vehicles already on the road. Yet they are still taxed heavily. And now GCC ALSO WANT TO IMPOSE ANOTHER TAX OR FINE SYSTEM FOR SUPPOSEDLY THE HIGHER EMISSIONS VEHICLE? Great... do the buses first, but leave the motorist out of it.. Sorry they wont be able to .. they will require all the money they cvan get their grubby little hands to boost their already massive pension funds.
Sits back and waits for the storm that is surely coming his way.
Posted by: ex labour voter, Glasgow on 6:36pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Is there no end to Purcell and his purge to fleece the taxpayer for more money.
Time to get rid of this labour puppet and his extortion rackets.
This has bugger all to do with clean air
it's all about paying for the incompetence of
Purcell and his pathetic predeccesors.
Is there no end to Purcell and his purge to fleece the taxpayer for more money.
Time to get rid of this labour puppet and his extortion rackets.
This has bugger all to do with clean air
it's all about paying for the incompetence of
Purcell and his pathetic predeccesors.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 6:44pm Wed 30 Apr 08
with no increase in council tax more revenue needs to be found so these new taxes are just the beginning .
at least at the moment its just the car owners who are being targeted .
god bless first bus with their £12.50 weekly ticket.
PS HOLY WULLIE your horse should stick to seven furlongs
with no increase in council tax more revenue needs to be found so these new taxes are just the beginning .
at least at the moment its just the car owners who are being targeted .
god bless first bus with their £12.50 weekly ticket.
PS HOLY WULLIE your horse should stick to seven furlongs
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 7:28pm Wed 30 Apr 08
[quote][bold]tam-m[/bold] wrote:
with no increase in council tax more revenue needs to be found so these new taxes are just the beginning . at least at the moment its just the car owners who are being targeted . god bless first bus with their £12.50 weekly ticket. PS HOLY WULLIE your horse should stick to seven furlongs[/quote] "PS Holy Wullie your horse should stick to seven furlongs"
Excellent! Best quote of the string. Nothing to do with the topic, just a great throwaway after thought!!
tam-m wrote:
with no increase in council tax more revenue needs to be found so these new taxes are just the beginning . at least at the moment its just the car owners who are being targeted . god bless first bus with their £12.50 weekly ticket. PS HOLY WULLIE your horse should stick to seven furlongs
"PS Holy Wullie your horse should stick to seven furlongs"
Excellent! Best quote of the string. Nothing to do with the topic, just a great throwaway after thought!!
Posted by: J brown, Paisley on 7:51pm Wed 30 Apr 08
We are way some other EU countries, like Austria who have had low emmisions for at least 15yrs. We need it now for our kid sake.
We are way some other EU countries, like Austria who have had low emmisions for at least 15yrs. We need it now for our kid sake.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 8:06pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Credit where it is due the Labour Council has delivered on its promise to improve public transport. Its about time that the good citizens of Glasgow began to appreciate their efforts and make greater use of public transport. Like the smoking ban this would be a very popular tactic and initiative taken by Labour.
Credit where it is due the Labour Council has delivered on its promise to improve public transport. Its about time that the good citizens of Glasgow began to appreciate their efforts and make greater use of public transport. Like the smoking ban this would be a very popular tactic and initiative taken by Labour.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 8:29pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Quote:Over the past four years, Glasgow has carried out 10,200 air quality tests, mostly on private cars, taxis and vans - with 267 failing.
Why aren't they testing the buses,as a cyclist I know that the biggest polluters are the buses,including First Bus although they keep going on about how modern their buses are,each and every one of them belches out black smoke which is caught in the undertow of the bus so that there is a black cloud of smoke at low level following behind the bus.The number of traffic lights in Glasgow doesn't help either,why are there so few roundabouts?
Quote:Over the past four years, Glasgow has carried out 10,200 air quality tests, mostly on private cars, taxis and vans - with 267 failing.
Why aren't they testing the buses,as a cyclist I know that the biggest polluters are the buses,including First Bus although they keep going on about how modern their buses are,each and every one of them belches out black smoke which is caught in the undertow of the bus so that there is a black cloud of smoke at low level following behind the bus.The number of traffic lights in Glasgow doesn't help either,why are there so few roundabouts?
Posted by: Steff, cumbernauld on 9:34pm Wed 30 Apr 08
[quote]Also, why do we have the 4 x 4 people carriers and such gas guzzling cars. We are just turning into the slobs that some Americans are, with our Couch potato mentality, and our giant cars.
Those who drive such cars, and are clearly overweight and have ample amounts of money should think of the burden they are placing on the environment as well as the public purse, if they potentially develop diabetes and all other obesity related diseases.[/quote]
Reading that rubbish gave me the best laugh i have had in ages. What a nutter.
Also, why do we have the 4 x 4 people carriers and such gas guzzling cars. We are just turning into the slobs that some Americans are, with our Couch potato mentality, and our giant cars.
Those who drive such cars, and are clearly overweight and have ample amounts of money should think of the burden they are placing on the environment as well as the public purse, if they potentially develop diabetes and all other obesity related diseases.
Reading that rubbish gave me the best laugh i have had in ages. What a nutter.
Posted by: sceptic, Lanarkshire on 9:54pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Hypocricy, Months after getting the go-ahead for the final piece of the encirclment of Glasgow by motorway ( M74 extension ) the Council now start bleating about air quality and pollution ?
Hypocricy, Months after getting the go-ahead for the final piece of the encirclment of Glasgow by motorway ( M74 extension ) the Council now start bleating about air quality and pollution ?
Posted by: Donny, Glasgow on 1:07am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]I Predict A Riot[/bold] wrote:
Quote:Over the past four years, Glasgow has carried out 10,200 air quality tests, mostly on private cars, taxis and vans - with 267 failing.
Why aren't they testing the buses,as a cyclist I know that the biggest polluters are the buses,including First Bus although they keep going on about how modern their buses are,each and every one of them belches out black smoke which is caught in the undertow of the bus so that there is a black cloud of smoke at low level following behind the bus.The number of traffic lights in Glasgow doesn't help either,why are there so few roundabouts?[/quote] Thankyou RIOT, thankyou....If you stop me and say that you are "I Predict A Riot" you will have a free hire LOL.
God, now that I've said that there will be RIOTS in the centre of Glesga for a week LOL :)
I Predict A Riot wrote:
Quote:Over the past four years, Glasgow has carried out 10,200 air quality tests, mostly on private cars, taxis and vans - with 267 failing.
Why aren't they testing the buses,as a cyclist I know that the biggest polluters are the buses,including First Bus although they keep going on about how modern their buses are,each and every one of them belches out black smoke which is caught in the undertow of the bus so that there is a black cloud of smoke at low level following behind the bus.The number of traffic lights in Glasgow doesn't help either,why are there so few roundabouts?
Thankyou RIOT, thankyou....If you stop me and say that you are "I Predict A Riot" you will have a free hire LOL.
God, now that I've said that there will be RIOTS in the centre of Glesga for a week LOL :)
Posted by: JohnD, Glasgow on 3:51am Thu 1 May 08
Ok folks stop attacking everyone that drives a 4x4. Some of us actually do need it for work purposes.
Sunday I was up at a hilltop radio site where access is only across a very bad access road then through some fields.
Yesterday I was up at another site where the roads/paths flooded and the access road is near enough non-exsistant, you would not take a car along that road.
Next, I have a lot of equipment I need to carry in the vehicle and the only other option would be a large estate car or a van but I would not get the 4x4 option that I require.
If you seen my 4x4 you will see the mud splattered up the doors, the front side steps are covered in the stuff and it needs a good clean.
Its pretty bad that everyone groups all 4x4 users the way they do. In my vehicle I get 33MPG and on the motorway I get 37/39MPG, which for a large 4x4 is very good. The vehicle is serviced and kept road worthy, even making sure the tyres are at the right pressure helps a lot.
Anyway, dont tarnish us all with the same brush.
Ok folks stop attacking everyone that drives a 4x4. Some of us actually do need it for work purposes.
Sunday I was up at a hilltop radio site where access is only across a very bad access road then through some fields.
Yesterday I was up at another site where the roads/paths flooded and the access road is near enough non-exsistant, you would not take a car along that road.
Next, I have a lot of equipment I need to carry in the vehicle and the only other option would be a large estate car or a van but I would not get the 4x4 option that I require.
If you seen my 4x4 you will see the mud splattered up the doors, the front side steps are covered in the stuff and it needs a good clean.
Its pretty bad that everyone groups all 4x4 users the way they do. In my vehicle I get 33MPG and on the motorway I get 37/39MPG, which for a large 4x4 is very good. The vehicle is serviced and kept road worthy, even making sure the tyres are at the right pressure helps a lot.
Anyway, dont tarnish us all with the same brush.
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 10:37am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Wallace_Arnold[/bold] wrote:
"Clearing the cities of industrial smog and owercrowded slum-dwellings did far more to improve the lot of the working classes than a wee motor to nip to Asda ever did." Yes, greater mobility, freedom to decide where and when they travelled, freedom to commute to their place of employment thus meaning they could more easily move from the crowded inner cities, freedom to go on holidays when they liked - yes, all these things did nothing for them. Yes, bring back just 2 weeks holiday for the lumpen masses - and make them queue up like cattle at the Waverley for it. It's for the best.[/quote] You dont need a car for any of these things.
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
"Clearing the cities of industrial smog and owercrowded slum-dwellings did far more to improve the lot of the working classes than a wee motor to nip to Asda ever did." Yes, greater mobility, freedom to decide where and when they travelled, freedom to commute to their place of employment thus meaning they could more easily move from the crowded inner cities, freedom to go on holidays when they liked - yes, all these things did nothing for them. Yes, bring back just 2 weeks holiday for the lumpen masses - and make them queue up like cattle at the Waverley for it. It's for the best.
You dont need a car for any of these things.
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 10:51am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]graeme[/bold] wrote:
Oh what a wonderful way to hit the already poor, hard hit motorist in his ever diminishing pocket. Yet another stealth tax which will be enforced upon the motorist no matter who is in power. Personally i think cyclists should aloso be taxed for using the road as well. No doubt there will be an outcry from people who frequent this site, however I am a motorist and I have to pay a road tax to use the roads in the Uk. Why dont cyclists get taxed? I have to pay to get my car Motd to ensure that it is road worthy. Why dont cyclists have to pay some form of Mot duty. I also have to pay an insurtance premiumn annually to make sure i am covered in an accidient. Surely cyclists as road users, should also pay some form of insurance, afterall a large majority of accidients involving cyclists and motorists are caused by cyclists. I am not saying that motorists are whiter than white, but i have seent some pretty stupid actions caused by cyclists that have resulted in an accidient Should they not pay there way as well?? As for 4x4s on the road I always believed that we lived in a democracy where we had freedom of choice in our lives. If somebody wants to go and buy a 4x4 then they should be able to spend their hard earned cash on whatever they want. We should no be dictated to by this council or goverment on our choices in life and that includes the choice of car we make. The road tax should be equal across the board for all cars including 4x4s. Somebody has already said that some of the newer 4x4s are cleaner that some of the low emission vehicles already on the road. Yet they are still taxed heavily. And now GCC ALSO WANT TO IMPOSE ANOTHER TAX OR FINE SYSTEM FOR SUPPOSEDLY THE HIGHER EMISSIONS VEHICLE? Great... do the buses first, but leave the motorist out of it.. Sorry they wont be able to .. they will require all the money they cvan get their grubby little hands to boost their already massive pension funds. Sits back and waits for the storm that is surely coming his way.[/quote] The reality is we dont pay fot the true cost of car use. The damage to the environment, the congestion in our streets and the detrimental effect on the quality of life are a prcie all of us pay whether we own a car or not.
I live in the West End where you can hardly move because of parked cars. They just dont give a sh*t parking on pavements, obstructively and selfishly. I'm absolutely no fan of the council, Labour rule is repsonsible for many of the problems in our city, however the proposed residents parking is the best thing which can hapen. Getting rid of the hugen numbers of parked cars can only benefit the quality of life in the area.
graeme wrote:
Oh what a wonderful way to hit the already poor, hard hit motorist in his ever diminishing pocket. Yet another stealth tax which will be enforced upon the motorist no matter who is in power. Personally i think cyclists should aloso be taxed for using the road as well. No doubt there will be an outcry from people who frequent this site, however I am a motorist and I have to pay a road tax to use the roads in the Uk. Why dont cyclists get taxed? I have to pay to get my car Motd to ensure that it is road worthy. Why dont cyclists have to pay some form of Mot duty. I also have to pay an insurtance premiumn annually to make sure i am covered in an accidient. Surely cyclists as road users, should also pay some form of insurance, afterall a large majority of accidients involving cyclists and motorists are caused by cyclists. I am not saying that motorists are whiter than white, but i have seent some pretty stupid actions caused by cyclists that have resulted in an accidient Should they not pay there way as well?? As for 4x4s on the road I always believed that we lived in a democracy where we had freedom of choice in our lives. If somebody wants to go and buy a 4x4 then they should be able to spend their hard earned cash on whatever they want. We should no be dictated to by this council or goverment on our choices in life and that includes the choice of car we make. The road tax should be equal across the board for all cars including 4x4s. Somebody has already said that some of the newer 4x4s are cleaner that some of the low emission vehicles already on the road. Yet they are still taxed heavily. And now GCC ALSO WANT TO IMPOSE ANOTHER TAX OR FINE SYSTEM FOR SUPPOSEDLY THE HIGHER EMISSIONS VEHICLE? Great... do the buses first, but leave the motorist out of it.. Sorry they wont be able to .. they will require all the money they cvan get their grubby little hands to boost their already massive pension funds. Sits back and waits for the storm that is surely coming his way.
The reality is we dont pay fot the true cost of car use. The damage to the environment, the congestion in our streets and the detrimental effect on the quality of life are a prcie all of us pay whether we own a car or not.
I live in the West End where you can hardly move because of parked cars. They just dont give a sh*t parking on pavements, obstructively and selfishly. I'm absolutely no fan of the council, Labour rule is repsonsible for many of the problems in our city, however the proposed residents parking is the best thing which can hapen. Getting rid of the hugen numbers of parked cars can only benefit the quality of life in the area.
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