Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnich Greater Glasgow on 11:50am Fri 2 May 08
At a time when the government is trying to reduce the prison population, I would have thought a more sensible sentence would have been handed out e.g.cleaning up any mess made. He is not a threat to the public so why give full board and lodgings etc. at the taxpayers expense for the next 2 years?
At a time when the government is trying to reduce the prison population, I would have thought a more sensible sentence would have been handed out e.g.cleaning up any mess made. He is not a threat to the public so why give full board and lodgings etc. at the taxpayers expense for the next 2 years?
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 12:06pm Fri 2 May 08
Spot - on JKR, - also, this boy's talent could have been put to good use doing community service, i.e. murals in children's hospitals etc.
but sadly ,that would have been too sensible, after all, he didn't maime or rape anyone,but had the temerity to damage ''property''.
Spot - on JKR, - also, this boy's talent could have been put to good use doing community service, i.e. murals in children's hospitals etc.
but sadly ,that would have been too sensible, after all, he didn't maime or rape anyone,but had the temerity to damage ''property''.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:53pm Fri 2 May 08
he is no hero just an a*sehole, as ricki fulton the comedian would say..."AWAY AND WORK".
he is no hero just an a*sehole, as ricki fulton the comedian would say..."AWAY AND WORK".
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 1:19pm Fri 2 May 08
its a wonder MAMMY did not notice wee daze (is he always in a daze)? that he had all this paint in his knapsack?,maybe oor boys can show his parents the nice mess we can make on their walls, by the way has anyone told wee daze its illegal to destroy walls that he has no claim to?and meldrew....you are under the impression that people can do as they like without punishment....no that is not the case HOPE HE DOES A GRAFFITI ON the prison walls and a big gorilla dizney like it,and if he does he might want daze as his personal'freind' ha ha.
its a wonder MAMMY did not notice wee daze (is he always in a daze)? that he had all this paint in his knapsack?,maybe oor boys can show his parents the nice mess we can make on their walls, by the way has anyone told wee daze its illegal to destroy walls that he has no claim to?and meldrew....you are under the impression that people can do as they like without punishment....no that is not the case HOPE HE DOES A GRAFFITI ON the prison walls and a big gorilla dizney like it,and if he does he might want daze as his personal'freind' ha ha.
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 1:24pm Fri 2 May 08
IMO jail should be for those who pose a threat to peace and public safety, and surely people like this could be given community service and made to clean up the grafitti. Our jails are packed and prison spaces should be reserved for violent thugs, sex offenders, housebreakers and the like. Sounds another case of TBTP look after their own.
IMO jail should be for those who pose a threat to peace and public safety, and surely people like this could be given community service and made to clean up the grafitti. Our jails are packed and prison spaces should be reserved for violent thugs, sex offenders, housebreakers and the like. Sounds another case of TBTP look after their own.
Posted by: gordyboy, glasgow on 1:34pm Fri 2 May 08
Doesn't that eastbore look like he has lost his mammy in asda!
Doesn't that eastbore look like he has lost his mammy in asda!
Posted by: gordyboy, glasgow on 1:34pm Fri 2 May 08
Doesn't that eastbore look like he has lost his mammy in asda!
Doesn't that eastbore look like he has lost his mammy in asda!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 1:38pm Fri 2 May 08
yeh renegade you are dead right about violent thugs, sex offenders should be put in prison, now there is another law....no graffitti artists allowed to mess up the place, who gave the eejit permision to take over the place?, he should get a job painting the lavvys.
yeh renegade you are dead right about violent thugs, sex offenders should be put in prison, now there is another law....no graffitti artists allowed to mess up the place, who gave the eejit permision to take over the place?, he should get a job painting the lavvys.
Posted by: john-e, glasgow on 2:24pm Fri 2 May 08
here we go again, ignorant people with no facts ... Gary shields has worked since he left college at 17 , he was emloyed as a trainee draughtsman , attended college day release for a structural engineers practice in paisley ,(where he had worked for over 3 years). He was convicted of ten grand's worth of graffiti damage,all of witch he offered to pay back in compensation and community service,he had given up graffiti a long time ago as this was something he was into as a teenager.
As a working person myself , would it not have been better for society as a whole for gary to continue working, paying taxes, insurance etc , some form of community punishment and or fine? No instead he's made an example of by the long arm of the law ,and the cost to the tax payer of £1000 per week.
To say 'WE WILL BE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE LOCKED UP LIKE SHIELDS' is an embarasment, locking people up for puting up posters to me does not equate, locking people up for violent knife crime seems a bit more realistic .
Mabey councillor coleman should contact Kenny MacAskill, the Justice secretary,just to let him know his plans for these poster weilding maniacs!
here we go again, ignorant people with no facts ... Gary shields has worked since he left college at 17 , he was emloyed as a trainee draughtsman , attended college day release for a structural engineers practice in paisley ,(where he had worked for over 3 years). He was convicted of ten grand's worth of graffiti damage,all of witch he offered to pay back in compensation and community service,he had given up graffiti a long time ago as this was something he was into as a teenager.
As a working person myself , would it not have been better for society as a whole for gary to continue working, paying taxes, insurance etc , some form of community punishment and or fine? No instead he's made an example of by the long arm of the law ,and the cost to the tax payer of £1000 per week.
To say 'WE WILL BE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE LOCKED UP LIKE SHIELDS' is an embarasment, locking people up for puting up posters to me does not equate, locking people up for violent knife crime seems a bit more realistic .
Mabey councillor coleman should contact Kenny MacAskill, the Justice secretary,just to let him know his plans for these poster weilding maniacs!
Posted by: Liam, Glasgow on 2:25pm Fri 2 May 08
Gimme a grey wall and let me dream my own multi-coloured dreams. Keep your passe New York City (cicra 1970) scribblings for your bedroom wall.
Gimme a grey wall and let me dream my own multi-coloured dreams. Keep your passe New York City (cicra 1970) scribblings for your bedroom wall.
Posted by: somecandytalking, glasgow on 2:40pm Fri 2 May 08
for your information, 'trench', gary is not 'always in a daze', he has a respectable job, a steady girlfriend and was an excellent carer for his mum who does not keep well. he is as far from the name 'arsehole' as he could be in fact. when your train pulls into an old station with grey walls and old battered trains, i bet you don't think twice about any COLOURFUL graffiti you see, folk just want the chance to put in their objections and pretend like they know what they are talking about. in actual fact, they know nothing about gary or grafitti at all. as for the part about:
"He said: "I'm glad this has been brought to our attention and we will be dealing with it as a matter of urgency.
"We will be trying to identify the people responsible - and hopefully they'll be locked up like Gary Shields."
GET REAL. a matter of urgency? what about rapisst, child sex offenders, violent people who are a risk to us all, is it not more urgent that they are are dealt with appropriately? there is nothing wrong with putting up posters to support gary, for his friends and family it is only natural to want to do something. and aye by locking up people who put up bits of paper around town, that will help nothing. the whole thing has got out of hand, however none of it would have happened if gary had not been given such an outrageous sentence in the first place. of course there was going to be backlash, and now that its happening people can't take it.
for your information, 'trench', gary is not 'always in a daze', he has a respectable job, a steady girlfriend and was an excellent carer for his mum who does not keep well. he is as far from the name 'arsehole' as he could be in fact. when your train pulls into an old station with grey walls and old battered trains, i bet you don't think twice about any COLOURFUL graffiti you see, folk just want the chance to put in their objections and pretend like they know what they are talking about. in actual fact, they know nothing about gary or grafitti at all. as for the part about:
"He said: "I'm glad this has been brought to our attention and we will be dealing with it as a matter of urgency.
"We will be trying to identify the people responsible - and hopefully they'll be locked up like Gary Shields."
GET REAL. a matter of urgency? what about rapisst, child sex offenders, violent people who are a risk to us all, is it not more urgent that they are are dealt with appropriately? there is nothing wrong with putting up posters to support gary, for his friends and family it is only natural to want to do something. and aye by locking up people who put up bits of paper around town, that will help nothing. the whole thing has got out of hand, however none of it would have happened if gary had not been given such an outrageous sentence in the first place. of course there was going to be backlash, and now that its happening people can't take it.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:49pm Fri 2 May 08
john-e you sound pi**ed off that your freind has ended up in jail and you, along with other people are having to pay 1,000 pounds a week, but you see ignorant person that you are as you called the readers,we went to uni's and colleges too, but would never dream of making a mess of the city(and probably ruined his reputation of getting a job with a black mark on his name) so dont be too hard on him costing you all this money while he is in the nick....thems the breaks when you are a pest.
john-e you sound pi**ed off that your freind has ended up in jail and you, along with other people are having to pay 1,000 pounds a week, but you see ignorant person that you are as you called the readers,we went to uni's and colleges too, but would never dream of making a mess of the city(and probably ruined his reputation of getting a job with a black mark on his name) so dont be too hard on him costing you all this money while he is in the nick....thems the breaks when you are a pest.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:05pm Fri 2 May 08
sorry that daze's mother does not keep well. but acting very irresponsible and giving her grief surely does not help the situation, the graffiti is always an attention seeker and you will always find it on areas where there is disrespect for society, as i said if any one thinks the place needs brightened up ask before going ahead with the 'art' work and pay your full taxes towards the city because with the gangster attitude the taxpayer are already overpaying.
sorry that daze's mother does not keep well. but acting very irresponsible and giving her grief surely does not help the situation, the graffiti is always an attention seeker and you will always find it on areas where there is disrespect for society, as i said if any one thinks the place needs brightened up ask before going ahead with the 'art' work and pay your full taxes towards the city because with the gangster attitude the taxpayer are already overpaying.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 3:23pm Fri 2 May 08
[quote][bold]victor meldrew[/bold] wrote:
Spot - on JKR, - also, this boy's talent could have been put to good use doing community service, i.e. murals in children's hospitals etc. but sadly ,that would have been too sensible, after all, he didn't maime or rape anyone,but had the temerity to damage ''property''.[/quote] do you own your home I doubt it if that's your attitude to "property".The guy is a deadbeat and a vandal,selfish to the extreme if he thinks what he does interests anyone,I hope he does the full sentence,as he got off pretty lightly in the first place And those posters who say "aw he wasn't doing anything wrong". get a life a real life not some romantic notion that graffiti is an art form it aint...
victor meldrew wrote:
Spot - on JKR, - also, this boy's talent could have been put to good use doing community service, i.e. murals in children's hospitals etc. but sadly ,that would have been too sensible, after all, he didn't maime or rape anyone,but had the temerity to damage ''property''.
do you own your home I doubt it if that's your attitude to "property".The guy is a deadbeat and a vandal,selfish to the extreme if he thinks what he does interests anyone,I hope he does the full sentence,as he got off pretty lightly in the first place And those posters who say "aw he wasn't doing anything wrong". get a life a real life not some romantic notion that graffiti is an art form it aint...
Posted by: WeeNed, Glesga on 4:07pm Fri 2 May 08
wit a bunch a greetin faced knobjockeys man. gie him a bloody bucket an a sponge an make him clean the crap aff. ad rather see wan o his than some wee tits crappy gang tag.
aye right put the boy wi the joab in jail, gie the nutter wi a penchant fur stabbin an ankle bracelet so he can keep up his slashing spree.
jrb wrote "do you own your home I doubt it if that's your attitude to "property"." ooh la laa f.a.n.n.y
wit a bunch a greetin faced knobjockeys man. gie him a bloody bucket an a sponge an make him clean the crap aff. ad rather see wan o his than some wee tits crappy gang tag.
aye right put the boy wi the joab in jail, gie the nutter wi a penchant fur stabbin an ankle bracelet so he can keep up his slashing spree.
jrb wrote "do you own your home I doubt it if that's your attitude to "property"." ooh la laa f.a.n.n.y
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 4:09pm Fri 2 May 08
exactly meldrew why didn't this youth offer to paint childrens hospitals, as you say that would be too sensible for him, you know the old saying "think before you do anything"as he graffitied on property without permission, would you like someone to paint YOUR property without asking?
exactly meldrew why didn't this youth offer to paint childrens hospitals, as you say that would be too sensible for him, you know the old saying "think before you do anything"as he graffitied on property without permission, would you like someone to paint YOUR property without asking?
Posted by: hugo, south side on 4:21pm Fri 2 May 08
Making sweeping (negative) judgements about people based on their lifestyle is a useless process. The main issue here is whether a 28 month sentence fits the crime, and is it best use of the jail system.
Personally, i dont think the punishment fits the crime and is probably the reason people have started a campaign as they feel there has been an unjust decision. Furthermore, surely prison is for people who pose a threat to society.
Every day we hear of people who assault, maim, and scare innocent members of the public getting lesser sentences than this. Surely this is not right, as it sends out the message that property such as trains and walls are valued more by society than the people within that society.
Cooncillor Coleman's comments are predictable and pathetic and do nothing other than highlight how out of touch he is with modern youth culture. It is because of the likes of him that graffiti artists have been driven underground. Where as, a modern progressive administration would recognize and embrace the opportunity to constructively work with young people and groups to create modern urban landscapes which youth culture would have ownership.
Where as, in reality he is a dinosaur who needs to use establishment force and threat to suppress and marginalize that which he knows nothing about.
Making sweeping (negative) judgements about people based on their lifestyle is a useless process. The main issue here is whether a 28 month sentence fits the crime, and is it best use of the jail system.
Personally, i dont think the punishment fits the crime and is probably the reason people have started a campaign as they feel there has been an unjust decision. Furthermore, surely prison is for people who pose a threat to society.
Every day we hear of people who assault, maim, and scare innocent members of the public getting lesser sentences than this. Surely this is not right, as it sends out the message that property such as trains and walls are valued more by society than the people within that society.
Cooncillor Coleman's comments are predictable and pathetic and do nothing other than highlight how out of touch he is with modern youth culture. It is because of the likes of him that graffiti artists have been driven underground. Where as, a modern progressive administration would recognize and embrace the opportunity to constructively work with young people and groups to create modern urban landscapes which youth culture would have ownership.
Where as, in reality he is a dinosaur who needs to use establishment force and threat to suppress and marginalize that which he knows nothing about.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 4:31pm Fri 2 May 08
mon the gers
Posted by: kaylz, glasgow on 4:40pm Fri 2 May 08
Really what good comes from an article like this?Gary is already locked up. He isnt putting up the posters but this could affect his appeal. That doesnt sound fair! It really annoys me that the article isnt directly about Gary yet he is being slandered. Get out and catch the real criminals and then the S**t tabliods can write their nonsense about them. Leave gary alone!!!!!!!!!
Really what good comes from an article like this?Gary is already locked up. He isnt putting up the posters but this could affect his appeal. That doesnt sound fair! It really annoys me that the article isnt directly about Gary yet he is being slandered. Get out and catch the real criminals and then the S**t tabliods can write their nonsense about them. Leave gary alone!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:41pm Fri 2 May 08
hugo wrote:
[quote]Cooncillor Coleman's comments are predictable and pathetic and do nothing other than highlight how out of touch he is with modern youth culture. It is because of the likes of him that graffiti artists have been driven underground. Where as, a modern progressive administration would recognize and embrace the opportunity to constructively work with young people and groups to create modern urban landscapes which youth culture would have ownership.[/quote]
[italic]Spot on hugo![/italic] You're absolutely right, Mr Coleman is a "dinosaur" who is [bold]completely out-of-touch with reality[/bold]. This puffed-up popinjay is talking like a big, hard man just to hide the incompetence and hypocrisy of a council which has no vision for Glasgow, let alone an effective strategy to implement a vision.
Take his tough talk about graffiti and compare it with another puffed-up popinjay, Councillor Matheson of the Merchant City, in the ET May 11th 2006, when he launched a competition for graffiti artists to decorate the hoarding covering the 'Selfridges' debacle.
Then city councillor Matheson said:
[quote]"The hoarding covers a block in the Merchant City and while it is functional it is also ugly. It could be [bold]a blank canvas for Glasgow's graffiti artists[/bold]."[/quote]
Matheson went even further saying:
[quote]"[bold]Only[/bold] artists who work in graffiti are welcome to submit ideas."[/quote]
[bold]So there you have [bold]yet another[/bold]sad example of the stupidity of the hypocritical policies from a council which has completely lost the plot: one year it is openly encouraging and supporting graffiti artists and a couple of years later it is wanting to put them all in jail![/bold]
hugo wrote:
Cooncillor Coleman's comments are predictable and pathetic and do nothing other than highlight how out of touch he is with modern youth culture. It is because of the likes of him that graffiti artists have been driven underground. Where as, a modern progressive administration would recognize and embrace the opportunity to constructively work with young people and groups to create modern urban landscapes which youth culture would have ownership.
Spot on hugo! You're absolutely right, Mr Coleman is a "dinosaur" who is
completely out-of-touch with reality. This puffed-up popinjay is talking like a big, hard man just to hide the incompetence and hypocrisy of a council which has no vision for Glasgow, let alone an effective strategy to implement a vision.
Take his tough talk about graffiti and compare it with another puffed-up popinjay, Councillor Matheson of the Merchant City, in the ET May 11th 2006, when he launched a competition for graffiti artists to decorate the hoarding covering the 'Selfridges' debacle.
Then city councillor Matheson said:
"The hoarding covers a block in the Merchant City and while it is functional it is also ugly. It could be a blank canvas for Glasgow's graffiti artists."
Matheson went even further saying:
"Only artists who work in graffiti are welcome to submit ideas."
So there you have yet anothersad example of the stupidity of the hypocritical policies from a council which has completely lost the plot: one year it is openly encouraging and supporting graffiti artists and a couple of years later it is wanting to put them all in jail! Posted by: trench, possilpark on 4:49pm Fri 2 May 08
shugie....you hivny been asked if the punishment fits the crime, go take it tae a lawyer. and if the most important recreation in life is to vandalize the city with graffitti the youth culture as you say will be driven underground then GREAT, if you think something should be done for the youths of today....go ahead naebodys stopping you,you mentioned trains and walls? did this joker buy them...NO if you are nowledgeable on how we, the citizens of glasgow should want the city to look like then they should have a say in the matter, personally i think it is the start of a take over bid by little gangsters and i do not like it. a ' modern progressive administration ' as you say would be great....would you take the job?you seem to be very knowledgeable on graffitti, what else do you know?.
shugie....you hivny been asked if the punishment fits the crime, go take it tae a lawyer. and if the most important recreation in life is to vandalize the city with graffitti the youth culture as you say will be driven underground then GREAT, if you think something should be done for the youths of today....go ahead naebodys stopping you,you mentioned trains and walls? did this joker buy them...NO if you are nowledgeable on how we, the citizens of glasgow should want the city to look like then they should have a say in the matter, personally i think it is the start of a take over bid by little gangsters and i do not like it. a ' modern progressive administration ' as you say would be great....would you take the job?you seem to be very knowledgeable on graffitti, what else do you know?.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 4:59pm Fri 2 May 08
[quote][bold]WeeNed[/bold] wrote:
wit a bunch a greetin faced knobjockeys man. gie him a bloody bucket an a sponge an make him clean the crap aff. ad rather see wan o his than some wee tits crappy gang tag. aye right put the boy wi the joab in jail, gie the nutter wi a penchant fur stabbin an ankle bracelet so he can keep up his slashing spree. jrb wrote "do you own your home I doubt it if that's your attitude to "property"." ooh la laa f.a.n.n.y [/quote] You probably think your funny and original but do you know something your not,actually it's embarrassing
WeeNed wrote:
wit a bunch a greetin faced knobjockeys man. gie him a bloody bucket an a sponge an make him clean the crap aff. ad rather see wan o his than some wee tits crappy gang tag. aye right put the boy wi the joab in jail, gie the nutter wi a penchant fur stabbin an ankle bracelet so he can keep up his slashing spree. jrb wrote "do you own your home I doubt it if that's your attitude to "property"." ooh la laa f.a.n.n.y
You probably think your funny and original but do you know something your not,actually it's embarrassing
Posted by: brian jamieson, east kilbride on 5:11pm Fri 2 May 08
Its funny how all the "clean up the city" furore came around the commonwealth games bid!,no one seemed to give a **** before!.Underneath the M8 at the bottom end of cessnock there is blatant sports style(promoting the games!)graffitti!.HO
W IRONIC! FREE DAZE!.
Its funny how all the "clean up the city" furore came around the commonwealth games bid!,no one seemed to give a **** before!.Underneath the M8 at the bottom end of cessnock there is blatant sports style(promoting the games!)graffitti!.HO
W IRONIC! FREE DAZE!.
Posted by: Michael, Surrey on 5:45pm Fri 2 May 08
It just goes to show that if you publish an article full of inaccuracies, assumptions and exaggeration then you can expect, in the main, the same response from your readers. This case is about a young man who knows that he has done wrong, who is prepared to accept his punishment but who deserves the right to be treated fairly and proportionately. He does not deserve to be imprisoned for a ‘record breaking ‘ 28 months for this non-violent offence.
To impose a sentence of this magnitude is excessive, disproportionate and vindictive in the extreme. That, and the clear comparisons with lesser or non existent sentences that can be seen every day for more wicked crimes, are what has caused his supporters to react and object.
Why do we not read that Councillor Coleman is expressing his tolerance of zero in these cases? Does he not notice those lesser sentences where damage equates to many times the cost of graffiti art, in money and human terms? Are his matters of urgency so obvious then?
Not all of Gary Shield’s supporters come from underground. Some of us are above ground OAP’s who are tired of seeing the way in which we lock up our young for non-violent offences.
It pains me to see how in the UK we lock up so many young people and for so long. This is not character building, as some people would advocate, but merely creates a new generation of re-offenders. Just look at the figures. No other European countries treat their young like that. There must be a more selective and socially valuable way to punish and to teach non violent offenders than throwing them into a melting pot of miscreants, only to learn new crimes. It’s easy to turn a key but takes vision to change the system.
For those who advocate ‘lock ‘em up’, consider the life long repercussions of prison and the consequential cost to be bourn by society in general. Is this what we really want for this young man? Or only as long as he is someone else’ son. Well not in my name.
It just goes to show that if you publish an article full of inaccuracies, assumptions and exaggeration then you can expect, in the main, the same response from your readers. This case is about a young man who knows that he has done wrong, who is prepared to accept his punishment but who deserves the right to be treated fairly and proportionately. He does not deserve to be imprisoned for a ‘record breaking ‘ 28 months for this non-violent offence.
To impose a sentence of this magnitude is excessive, disproportionate and vindictive in the extreme. That, and the clear comparisons with lesser or non existent sentences that can be seen every day for more wicked crimes, are what has caused his supporters to react and object.
Why do we not read that Councillor Coleman is expressing his tolerance of zero in these cases? Does he not notice those lesser sentences where damage equates to many times the cost of graffiti art, in money and human terms? Are his matters of urgency so obvious then?
Not all of Gary Shield’s supporters come from underground. Some of us are above ground OAP’s who are tired of seeing the way in which we lock up our young for non-violent offences.
It pains me to see how in the UK we lock up so many young people and for so long. This is not character building, as some people would advocate, but merely creates a new generation of re-offenders. Just look at the figures. No other European countries treat their young like that. There must be a more selective and socially valuable way to punish and to teach non violent offenders than throwing them into a melting pot of miscreants, only to learn new crimes. It’s easy to turn a key but takes vision to change the system.
For those who advocate ‘lock ‘em up’, consider the life long repercussions of prison and the consequential cost to be bourn by society in general. Is this what we really want for this young man? Or only as long as he is someone else’ son. Well not in my name.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 5:53pm Fri 2 May 08
A lot of votes will be lost over this one ...
Bad move Council to make an example of such an easy target ...
A lot of votes will be lost over this one ...
Bad move Council to make an example of such an easy target ...
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 5:57pm Fri 2 May 08
[quote][bold]Michael[/bold] wrote:
It just goes to show that if you publish an article full of inaccuracies, assumptions and exaggeration then you can expect, in the main, the same response from your readers. This case is about a young man who knows that he has done wrong, who is prepared to accept his punishment but who deserves the right to be treated fairly and proportionately. He does not deserve to be imprisoned for a ‘record breaking ‘ 28 months for this non-violent offence. To impose a sentence of this magnitude is excessive, disproportionate and vindictive in the extreme. That, and the clear comparisons with lesser or non existent sentences that can be seen every day for more wicked crimes, are what has caused his supporters to react and object. Why do we not read that Councillor Coleman is expressing his tolerance of zero in these cases? Does he not notice those lesser sentences where damage equates to many times the cost of graffiti art, in money and human terms? Are his matters of urgency so obvious then? Not all of Gary Shield’s supporters come from underground. Some of us are above ground OAP’s who are tired of seeing the way in which we lock up our young for non-violent offences. It pains me to see how in the UK we lock up so many young people and for so long. This is not character building, as some people would advocate, but merely creates a new generation of re-offenders. Just look at the figures. No other European countries treat their young like that. There must be a more selective and socially valuable way to punish and to teach non violent offenders than throwing them into a melting pot of miscreants, only to learn new crimes. It’s easy to turn a key but takes vision to change the system. For those who advocate ‘lock ‘em up’, consider the life long repercussions of prison and the consequential cost to be bourn by society in general. Is this what we really want for this young man? Or only as long as he is someone else’ son. Well not in my name. [/quote] All you suggest has been tried and proved to be useless, treating those young non-violent offenders with kid gloves only leads them to assume that no matter what damage they inflict on communities they will not be punished.In this case will Gary shields continue to graffiti when he leaves prison? I think not.I dont know about surrey but up here in Glasgow we see the evidence of this soft attitude in our broken windows ,damaged cars, in some cases broken bodies, and a continuing running down of once quiet,decent communities..
Michael wrote:
It just goes to show that if you publish an article full of inaccuracies, assumptions and exaggeration then you can expect, in the main, the same response from your readers. This case is about a young man who knows that he has done wrong, who is prepared to accept his punishment but who deserves the right to be treated fairly and proportionately. He does not deserve to be imprisoned for a ‘record breaking ‘ 28 months for this non-violent offence. To impose a sentence of this magnitude is excessive, disproportionate and vindictive in the extreme. That, and the clear comparisons with lesser or non existent sentences that can be seen every day for more wicked crimes, are what has caused his supporters to react and object. Why do we not read that Councillor Coleman is expressing his tolerance of zero in these cases? Does he not notice those lesser sentences where damage equates to many times the cost of graffiti art, in money and human terms? Are his matters of urgency so obvious then? Not all of Gary Shield’s supporters come from underground. Some of us are above ground OAP’s who are tired of seeing the way in which we lock up our young for non-violent offences. It pains me to see how in the UK we lock up so many young people and for so long. This is not character building, as some people would advocate, but merely creates a new generation of re-offenders. Just look at the figures. No other European countries treat their young like that. There must be a more selective and socially valuable way to punish and to teach non violent offenders than throwing them into a melting pot of miscreants, only to learn new crimes. It’s easy to turn a key but takes vision to change the system. For those who advocate ‘lock ‘em up’, consider the life long repercussions of prison and the consequential cost to be bourn by society in general. Is this what we really want for this young man? Or only as long as he is someone else’ son. Well not in my name.
All you suggest has been tried and proved to be useless, treating those young non-violent offenders with kid gloves only leads them to assume that no matter what damage they inflict on communities they will not be punished.In this case will Gary shields continue to graffiti when he leaves prison? I think not.I dont know about surrey but up here in Glasgow we see the evidence of this soft attitude in our broken windows ,damaged cars, in some cases broken bodies, and a continuing running down of once quiet,decent communities..
Posted by: mcbreen3, polmadie on 6:00pm Fri 2 May 08
Shields' actions in isolation are low-level crimes, but their effect is much wider than just simple defacement of property: they add to the perception - maybe unjustified, but real to many - that crime is out of control. Where people see vandals going unpunished, they also infer the presence of muggers, or worse. So they fear for their safety on the streets, fear that keeps the elderly and women indoors after dark and restricts their freedom.
Therefore Shields has committed a much greater attack on society as a whole, and the 28-month sentence is fully justified as a deterrent to others, including the flyposters sticking up for him, pardon the pun.
Shields' actions in isolation are low-level crimes, but their effect is much wider than just simple defacement of property: they add to the perception - maybe unjustified, but real to many - that crime is out of control. Where people see vandals going unpunished, they also infer the presence of muggers, or worse. So they fear for their safety on the streets, fear that keeps the elderly and women indoors after dark and restricts their freedom.
Therefore Shields has committed a much greater attack on society as a whole, and the 28-month sentence is fully justified as a deterrent to others, including the flyposters sticking up for him, pardon the pun.
Posted by: Chris, Glasvegas on 6:03pm Fri 2 May 08
I think you are correct Micheal and Roor, there is too many people in this country who seem to adopt the attitude of...if its not me then why care? If they lock up this young man for this then whats next? 2 years is excessive and its good to see a community pulling together for once, ie the Glasgow Hip Hop community, glad to see that Eastborn has a hand in helping this out too. He and others like him, Loki for example should be more in the public eye for the community work and support they given back to their communities instead of all this "Im a superstar bling bling rubbish" I would like to see out community stand up to these law making bullies, not watching likeminded people all argue on a forum amongst themselves!
I think you are correct Micheal and Roor, there is too many people in this country who seem to adopt the attitude of...if its not me then why care? If they lock up this young man for this then whats next? 2 years is excessive and its good to see a community pulling together for once, ie the Glasgow Hip Hop community, glad to see that Eastborn has a hand in helping this out too. He and others like him, Loki for example should be more in the public eye for the community work and support they given back to their communities instead of all this "Im a superstar bling bling rubbish" I would like to see out community stand up to these law making bullies, not watching likeminded people all argue on a forum amongst themselves!
Posted by: duncan on 6:11pm Fri 2 May 08
Councillor Jim Coleman is a reactionary old blawbag, who's always available for an anti-graffiti quote when the Evening Times come calling. [quote]we will be dealing with it as a matter of urgency[/quote] Does Glasgow City Council not having anything more important that should be dealt with urgently than some flyposters? Or is it their campaigning nature that Cllr. Coleman objects to?
The fact is that 28 months in Barlinnie is disproportionate to the crime. The whole reason this story is newsworthy is because of the Sheriff's unusually long sentence for someone who painted a few trains. He didn't stab anyone, he didn't rape anyone, he didn't even steal anything...
And yet people trying to organise a campaign to get the harsh sentence reduced sparks a "furious response" from the Glasgow City Council.
PS: Evening Times Picture Editor: Please don't use my photographs without my permission again.
Councillor Jim Coleman is a reactionary old blawbag, who's always available for an anti-graffiti quote when the Evening Times come calling.
we will be dealing with it as a matter of urgency
Does Glasgow City Council not having anything more important that should be dealt with urgently than some flyposters? Or is it their campaigning nature that Cllr. Coleman objects to?
The fact is that 28 months in Barlinnie is disproportionate to the crime. The whole reason this story is newsworthy is because of the Sheriff's unusually long sentence for someone who painted a few trains. He didn't stab anyone, he didn't rape anyone, he didn't even steal anything...
And yet people trying to organise a campaign to get the harsh sentence reduced sparks a "furious response" from the Glasgow City Council.
PS: Evening Times Picture Editor: Please don't use my photographs without my permission again.
Posted by: Chris, Glasvegas on 6:15pm Fri 2 May 08
What picture is yours? The one of Eastborn or the mural? And yes I agree ... "a matter of urgency" would be to stamp out racism, sectarianism, poverty, health not a few bill posters!...seems they want to lock them all up too? Soon all the good people will be in jail and the lunatics are running the asylum!
What picture is yours? The one of Eastborn or the mural? And yes I agree ... "a matter of urgency" would be to stamp out racism, sectarianism, poverty, health not a few bill posters!...seems they want to lock them all up too? Soon all the good people will be in jail and the lunatics are running the asylum!
Posted by: duncan on 6:21pm Fri 2 May 08
Chris, the one of the mural, which Ross McKinnon has taken without even asking me first. [bold]Copyright theft is a crime too![/bold] I believe the Evening Times going rate for purchasing images is around £75, so I'll be invoicing them soon.
Chris, the one of the mural, which Ross McKinnon has taken without even asking me first.
Copyright theft is a crime too! I believe the Evening Times going rate for purchasing images is around £75, so I'll be invoicing them soon.
Posted by: Chris, Glasvegas on 6:27pm Fri 2 May 08
Thanks Duncan, where can people get these posters?
Thanks Duncan, where can people get these posters?
Posted by: duncan on 6:31pm Fri 2 May 08
no idea
Posted by: Chris, Glasvegas on 6:40pm Fri 2 May 08
ah :)
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 7:12pm Fri 2 May 08
Glasgow is grey ...
We need more colour ...
Glasgow is grey ...
We need more colour ...
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 7:13pm Fri 2 May 08
Nae offence Holy Wullie ...
Nae offence Holy Wullie ...
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 9:09pm Fri 2 May 08
"Councillor James Coleman, deputy leader of the council, said there would be zero tolerance of those responsible for the fly-posting.
He said: "I'm glad this has been brought to our attention and we will be dealing with it as a matter of urgency."
I am just so glad that it is a Labour Council we have rather than these nambie pambie nationalists writing in this paper today. At least Labour tackle the problems of the common man and are willing to come down hard on this scum.
"Councillor James Coleman, deputy leader of the council, said there would be zero tolerance of those responsible for the fly-posting.
He said: "I'm glad this has been brought to our attention and we will be dealing with it as a matter of urgency."
I am just so glad that it is a Labour Council we have rather than these nambie pambie nationalists writing in this paper today. At least Labour tackle the problems of the common man and are willing to come down hard on this scum.
Posted by: concerned, UK on 9:29pm Fri 2 May 08
HELP SUPPORT GARY! i have never even met him or his friends but i agree that this is an absolutely outragous sentence, only supported by complete lies by the British Transport Police.
"We will be trying to identify the people responsible - and hopefully they'll be locked up like Gary Shields.
Orwell's 1984 has arrived.. a bit late but here nevertheless.
FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
HELP SUPPORT GARY! i have never even met him or his friends but i agree that this is an absolutely outragous sentence, only supported by complete lies by the British Transport Police.
"We will be trying to identify the people responsible - and hopefully they'll be locked up like Gary Shields.
Orwell's 1984 has arrived.. a bit late but here nevertheless.
FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Posted by: Michael, Surrey on 10:34pm Fri 2 May 08
Frank, Glasgow, you clearly are not aware of the real facts surrounding the action that you advocate. There is absolutely no statistical evidence that sending a young person to prison for a non violent crime has any positive effect on their long term behaviour. In fact the opposite is true. The re-offending rate is higher from prison and the cost of imprisonment is higher by magnitudes of ten when compared to Community based punishments.
Just one reason for high re-offending alone is lack of employment prospects brought about by a term of imprisonment. This need not be the case in a Community based sentence. At the end of the day, society picks up the bill. Restorative Justice in the community has to be the way for non-violent offenders.
I seem to be reading figures of 44%, 25% and 24% today in the news. Guess which one the common man thought could tackle his problems.
Frank, Glasgow, you clearly are not aware of the real facts surrounding the action that you advocate. There is absolutely no statistical evidence that sending a young person to prison for a non violent crime has any positive effect on their long term behaviour. In fact the opposite is true. The re-offending rate is higher from prison and the cost of imprisonment is higher by magnitudes of ten when compared to Community based punishments.
Just one reason for high re-offending alone is lack of employment prospects brought about by a term of imprisonment. This need not be the case in a Community based sentence. At the end of the day, society picks up the bill. Restorative Justice in the community has to be the way for non-violent offenders.
I seem to be reading figures of 44%, 25% and 24% today in the news. Guess which one the common man thought could tackle his problems.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 11:17pm Fri 2 May 08
[quote][bold]Michael[/bold] wrote:
Frank, Glasgow, you clearly are not aware of the real facts surrounding the action that you advocate. There is absolutely no statistical evidence that sending a young person to prison for a non violent crime has any positive effect on their long term behaviour. In fact the opposite is true. The re-offending rate is higher from prison and the cost of imprisonment is higher by magnitudes of ten when compared to Community based punishments.
Just one reason for high re-offending alone is lack of employment prospects brought about by a term of imprisonment. This need not be the case in a Community based sentence. At the end of the day, society picks up the bill. Restorative Justice in the community has to be the way for non-violent offenders.
I seem to be reading figures of 44%, 25% and 24% today in the news. Guess which one the common man thought could tackle his problems.
[/quote] Another liberal nationalist I think. Labour had criminals on the run when they ran the Scottish Executive now you lot want them to be out roaming the streets. Keep him in jail and all those with the posters too. The Counicller has it right on this one try listening to people who know what they are talking about not hiding behind numbers.
Michael wrote:
Frank, Glasgow, you clearly are not aware of the real facts surrounding the action that you advocate. There is absolutely no statistical evidence that sending a young person to prison for a non violent crime has any positive effect on their long term behaviour. In fact the opposite is true. The re-offending rate is higher from prison and the cost of imprisonment is higher by magnitudes of ten when compared to Community based punishments.
Just one reason for high re-offending alone is lack of employment prospects brought about by a term of imprisonment. This need not be the case in a Community based sentence. At the end of the day, society picks up the bill. Restorative Justice in the community has to be the way for non-violent offenders.
I seem to be reading figures of 44%, 25% and 24% today in the news. Guess which one the common man thought could tackle his problems.
Another liberal nationalist I think. Labour had criminals on the run when they ran the Scottish Executive now you lot want them to be out roaming the streets. Keep him in jail and all those with the posters too. The Counicller has it right on this one try listening to people who know what they are talking about not hiding behind numbers.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 11:33pm Fri 2 May 08
Quote:Shields, part of a gang nicknamed Eazy Riders, was sentenced at Ayr Sheriff Court and is in Barlinnie but could be set to move to Castle Huntly open prison in Angus.
Can someone please explain to me what is the point of an open prison?
Surely it is obvious to someone with half a brain,or even less, that it is illegal and anti-social to spray graffiti on trains.Why start crying when U get caught and punished?Take it like a man and use the opportunity to mature and wisen up.Life is a learning curve.
Quote:Shields, part of a gang nicknamed Eazy Riders, was sentenced at Ayr Sheriff Court and is in Barlinnie but could be set to move to Castle Huntly open prison in Angus.
Can someone please explain to me what is the point of an open prison?
Surely it is obvious to someone with half a brain,or even less, that it is illegal and anti-social to spray graffiti on trains.Why start crying when U get caught and punished?Take it like a man and use the opportunity to mature and wisen up.Life is a learning curve.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 11:42pm Fri 2 May 08
Err .. On the run !!! roaming the streets !!! The Councilor does"nt have the authourity (or does he ?) ...
Keep him in jail !!!
Numbers !!!
I"m definitley voting the Libs after your rant ...
Can it get any worse ???
Nothing to lose Glasgow ...
Err .. On the run !!! roaming the streets !!! The Councilor does"nt have the authourity (or does he ?) ...
Keep him in jail !!!
Numbers !!!
I"m definitley voting the Libs after your rant ...
Can it get any worse ???
Nothing to lose Glasgow ...
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 11:49pm Fri 2 May 08
OK ...
IPAR ...
He went too far on the train thing, or was he just trying to raise issues concerning the whole transport system that we rely upon ???
OK ...
IPAR ...
He went too far on the train thing, or was he just trying to raise issues concerning the whole transport system that we rely upon ???
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 6:47am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]I Predict A Riot[/bold] wrote:
Quote:Shields, part of a gang nicknamed Eazy Riders, was sentenced at Ayr Sheriff Court and is in Barlinnie but could be set to move to Castle Huntly open prison in Angus.
Can someone please explain to me what is the point of an open prison?
Surely it is obvious to someone with half a brain,or even less, that it is illegal and anti-social to spray graffiti on trains.Why start crying when U get caught and punished?Take it like a man and use the opportunity to mature and wisen up.Life is a learning curve.[/quote] Oh come on,this guy gets 28months & rapists,child abusers walk away with probation,this isnt right..Gary would have been better sentenced to community service & using his skills than being in prison..
We are all to quick to send every law breaker to prison in this country so if the law is always right then we would all be in jail..I break the law everyday by maybe doing 32 in a 30 zone,should I & thousands like me be in prison??..
I Predict A Riot wrote:
Quote:Shields, part of a gang nicknamed Eazy Riders, was sentenced at Ayr Sheriff Court and is in Barlinnie but could be set to move to Castle Huntly open prison in Angus.
Can someone please explain to me what is the point of an open prison?
Surely it is obvious to someone with half a brain,or even less, that it is illegal and anti-social to spray graffiti on trains.Why start crying when U get caught and punished?Take it like a man and use the opportunity to mature and wisen up.Life is a learning curve.
Oh come on,this guy gets 28months & rapists,child abusers walk away with probation,this isnt right..Gary would have been better sentenced to community service & using his skills than being in prison..
We are all to quick to send every law breaker to prison in this country so if the law is always right then we would all be in jail..I break the law everyday by maybe doing 32 in a 30 zone,should I & thousands like me be in prison??..
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 10:54am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]duncan[/bold] wrote:
Chris, the one of the mural, which Ross McKinnon has taken without even asking me first. [bold]Copyright theft is a crime too![/bold] I believe the Evening Times going rate for purchasing images is around £75, so I'll be invoicing them soon. [/quote] Eh...? whit...?
So many questions...?
Did you do the mural ? Did you take the picture of the mural ? Did you give a picture of the mural to the Evening Times and tell them not to use it without payment ? Did you do the mural and the install a sign next to it instructing 'no photography without permission of the artiste' ? Is the mural in a public place or a private gallery ? Do graffiti artists expect to be paid for their 'work' ? Is tagging just a load 'Kilroy woz ere' mince, in chunky letters with excessive highlighting and garish colours ? Do trains look better without someone's 'name' plastered all over the side ? Is the lad a much maligned, persecuted, urban anti-hero or just as someone suggested... an ar*ehole ? And that's enough about Mr Coleman...
This one needs it's own Evening Times special edition...
duncan wrote:
Chris, the one of the mural, which Ross McKinnon has taken without even asking me first. Copyright theft is a crime too! I believe the Evening Times going rate for purchasing images is around £75, so I'll be invoicing them soon.
Eh...? whit...?
So many questions...?
Did you do the mural ? Did you take the picture of the mural ? Did you give a picture of the mural to the Evening Times and tell them not to use it without payment ? Did you do the mural and the install a sign next to it instructing 'no photography without permission of the artiste' ? Is the mural in a public place or a private gallery ? Do graffiti artists expect to be paid for their 'work' ? Is tagging just a load 'Kilroy woz ere' mince, in chunky letters with excessive highlighting and garish colours ? Do trains look better without someone's 'name' plastered all over the side ? Is the lad a much maligned, persecuted, urban anti-hero or just as someone suggested... an ar*ehole ? And that's enough about Mr Coleman...
This one needs it's own Evening Times special edition...
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:43pm Sat 3 May 08
just read about a graffitti artist who was having a grand time doing his 'art work', and an off duty policeman stood watching him, when the joker was finished the cop had alerted the cop shop,the diddy was hauled away in a big police van....ooops and another one bites the dust! i think the supporters of our artist freind should be commended for their support,with that amount of help the graffitti will be scrubbed off in no time, actually if the paintings were photographed and framed the city could sell this commodity and make some money towards the city of glasgow which translated as THIS DEAR GREEN PLACE.
just read about a graffitti artist who was having a grand time doing his 'art work', and an off duty policeman stood watching him, when the joker was finished the cop had alerted the cop shop,the diddy was hauled away in a big police van....ooops and another one bites the dust! i think the supporters of our artist freind should be commended for their support,with that amount of help the graffitti will be scrubbed off in no time, actually if the paintings were photographed and framed the city could sell this commodity and make some money towards the city of glasgow which translated as THIS DEAR GREEN PLACE.
Posted by: duncan on 6:22pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So many questions...?[/quote]
I think the real question is: Jim Coleman... wig?
http://www.glasgow.g
ov.uk/en/YourCouncil
/Council_Committees/
Councillors/w20c2776
.htm
Big Al wrote:
So many questions...?
I think the real question is: Jim Coleman... wig?
http://www.glasgow.g
ov.uk/en/YourCouncil
/Council_Committees/
Councillors/w20c2776
.htm
Posted by: Frank, Sighthill on 6:43pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]duncan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
So many questions...?[/quote]
I think the real question is: Jim Coleman... wig?
http://www.glasgow.g
ov.uk/en/YourCouncil
/Council_Committees/
Councillors/w20c2776
.htm[/quote] I think a comb over. The mustache is that for the gay vote?
duncan wrote:
Big Al wrote:
So many questions...?
I think the real question is: Jim Coleman... wig?
http://www.glasgow.g
ov.uk/en/YourCouncil
/Council_Committees/
Councillors/w20c2776
.htm
I think a comb over. The mustache is that for the gay vote?
Posted by: phil1, edinburgh on 11:28pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]concerned[/bold] wrote:
HELP SUPPORT GARY! i have never even met him or his friends but i agree that this is an absolutely outragous sentence, only supported by complete lies by the British Transport Police. "We will be trying to identify the people responsible - and hopefully they'll be locked up like Gary Shields. Orwell's 1984 has arrived.. a bit late but here nevertheless. FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH! [/quote] Well one thing he won't do in prison is put more graffitti on trains etc. Even his friends admit he was guilty so why do you abuse the police.
Good your starting a support group to put right the bad things he did. As for the sentence perhaps if you and your support group paid the £270,0000 his scrawls cost then he might be allowed out early?
concerned wrote:
HELP SUPPORT GARY! i have never even met him or his friends but i agree that this is an absolutely outragous sentence, only supported by complete lies by the British Transport Police. "We will be trying to identify the people responsible - and hopefully they'll be locked up like Gary Shields. Orwell's 1984 has arrived.. a bit late but here nevertheless. FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Well one thing he won't do in prison is put more graffitti on trains etc. Even his friends admit he was guilty so why do you abuse the police.
Good your starting a support group to put right the bad things he did. As for the sentence perhaps if you and your support group paid the £270,0000 his scrawls cost then he might be allowed out early?
Posted by: duncan on 5:13pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]phil1[/bold] wrote:
As for the sentence perhaps if you and your support group paid the £270,0000 his scrawls cost then he might be allowed out early?[/quote]
Daze was jailed for painting 8 trains. Do you really think it costs over quarter a million £ to clean up that much paint? Assuming each painting he did would have been about 6ft high by 10ft long at the biggest, and probably smaller?
phil1 wrote:
As for the sentence perhaps if you and your support group paid the £270,0000 his scrawls cost then he might be allowed out early?
Daze was jailed for painting 8 trains. Do you really think it costs over quarter a million £ to clean up that much paint? Assuming each painting he did would have been about 6ft high by 10ft long at the biggest, and probably smaller?
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 5:45pm Sun 4 May 08
Yes that properly covers the cost of taking the trains out of service,manpower,mat
erials,and lost revenue,replacement trains.I repeat tough sentence, but he certainly wont do it again will he? let it rest..
Yes that properly covers the cost of taking the trains out of service,manpower,mat
erials,and lost revenue,replacement trains.I repeat tough sentence, but he certainly wont do it again will he? let it rest..
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:56pm Sun 4 May 08
did daze spend all that time doing graffitti?poor wee dick head he must be knackered...hahahah,
the amount of 270,000 is not the price of removal, its the fact that the trains were out of service,this is an expensive inconvenience,time,m
oney, and services,i bet he is not very popular with the commuters....what is next?the buses? its funny the terrorists try and disrupt the tranport system too,a few months ago the train lines were sabotaged, (birds of a feather and all that.)if this guy was in russia doing stuff like this he would be away for quite a while as these people take a pride in their environment, not much graffitti there.
did daze spend all that time doing graffitti?poor wee dick head he must be knackered...hahahah,
the amount of 270,000 is not the price of removal, its the fact that the trains were out of service,this is an expensive inconvenience,time,m
oney, and services,i bet he is not very popular with the commuters....what is next?the buses? its funny the terrorists try and disrupt the tranport system too,a few months ago the train lines were sabotaged, (birds of a feather and all that.)if this guy was in russia doing stuff like this he would be away for quite a while as these people take a pride in their environment, not much graffitti there.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 9:11pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]duncan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]phil1[/bold] wrote:
As for the sentence perhaps if you and your support group paid the £270,0000 his scrawls cost then he might be allowed out early?[/quote]
Daze was jailed for painting 8 trains. Do you really think it costs over quarter a million £ to clean up that much paint? Assuming each painting he did would have been about 6ft high by 10ft long at the biggest, and probably smaller?[/quote] Your an idiot Duncan leave decisions to the tax payers of this world. At least i feel my money is well spent locking up your pal. I am glad the Labour Council are taking a hard line with you and your criminal friends. Got you running scared, i think.
duncan wrote:
phil1 wrote:
As for the sentence perhaps if you and your support group paid the £270,0000 his scrawls cost then he might be allowed out early?
Daze was jailed for painting 8 trains. Do you really think it costs over quarter a million £ to clean up that much paint? Assuming each painting he did would have been about 6ft high by 10ft long at the biggest, and probably smaller?
Your an idiot Duncan leave decisions to the tax payers of this world. At least i feel my money is well spent locking up your pal. I am glad the Labour Council are taking a hard line with you and your criminal friends. Got you running scared, i think.
Posted by: Michael, Surrey on 9:48pm Sun 4 May 08
Ignoring the imaginative fantasies creeping into some postings, this newspaper article is about the imprisonment of a young man and the way in which some others have expressed their sympathy. This is not a new phenomenon. On other occasions with no connection to Graffiti Art, involving individuals or groups, the same reaction has followed.
What is important here is the way in which young people are punished for non-violent offences. Currently some 70% of young people in prison are there for a non-violent offence. That is outrageous and incomparable to any of our European neighbours and many further afield as well. Imprisonment often brings high re-offending levels with life long consequences such as no home, no job, interrupted education, no credit, restrictions on travel and work abroad with the consequential ever increasing spiral of more crime and more prison. This pattern costs huge amounts of public money, which we all have to pay for and which does nothing whatsoever for rehabilitation and reoffending levels.
Many of that 70% would have benefited from Restorative Justice (which may include a fine) by working in the community either full time or part time, putting right their offence (whatever it was) over a period set by the courts.
Gary Shields is one who would have benefited from such a programme rather than receiving a sentence of imprisonment that is both vindictive and disproportionate and which will do nothing to put right his offence nor facilitate his re-entry into a society of work in any way.
Ignoring the imaginative fantasies creeping into some postings, this newspaper article is about the imprisonment of a young man and the way in which some others have expressed their sympathy. This is not a new phenomenon. On other occasions with no connection to Graffiti Art, involving individuals or groups, the same reaction has followed.
What is important here is the way in which young people are punished for non-violent offences. Currently some 70% of young people in prison are there for a non-violent offence. That is outrageous and incomparable to any of our European neighbours and many further afield as well. Imprisonment often brings high re-offending levels with life long consequences such as no home, no job, interrupted education, no credit, restrictions on travel and work abroad with the consequential ever increasing spiral of more crime and more prison. This pattern costs huge amounts of public money, which we all have to pay for and which does nothing whatsoever for rehabilitation and reoffending levels.
Many of that 70% would have benefited from Restorative Justice (which may include a fine) by working in the community either full time or part time, putting right their offence (whatever it was) over a period set by the courts.
Gary Shields is one who would have benefited from such a programme rather than receiving a sentence of imprisonment that is both vindictive and disproportionate and which will do nothing to put right his offence nor facilitate his re-entry into a society of work in any way.
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 10:13pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Michael[/bold] wrote:
Ignoring the imaginative fantasies creeping into some postings, this newspaper article is about the imprisonment of a young man and the way in which some others have expressed their sympathy. This is not a new phenomenon. On other occasions with no connection to Graffiti Art, involving individuals or groups, the same reaction has followed.
What is important here is the way in which young people are punished for non-violent offences. Currently some 70% of young people in prison are there for a non-violent offence. That is outrageous and incomparable to any of our European neighbours and many further afield as well. Imprisonment often brings high re-offending levels with life long consequences such as no home, no job, interrupted education, no credit, restrictions on travel and work abroad with the consequential ever increasing spiral of more crime and more prison. This pattern costs huge amounts of public money, which we all have to pay for and which does nothing whatsoever for rehabilitation and reoffending levels.
Many of that 70% would have benefited from Restorative Justice (which may include a fine) by working in the community either full time or part time, putting right their offence (whatever it was) over a period set by the courts.
Gary Shields is one who would have benefited from such a programme rather than receiving a sentence of imprisonment that is both vindictive and disproportionate and which will do nothing to put right his offence nor facilitate his re-entry into a society of work in any way.
[/quote] Another liberal Nationalist. Tax payers say throw away the key.
Michael wrote:
Ignoring the imaginative fantasies creeping into some postings, this newspaper article is about the imprisonment of a young man and the way in which some others have expressed their sympathy. This is not a new phenomenon. On other occasions with no connection to Graffiti Art, involving individuals or groups, the same reaction has followed.
What is important here is the way in which young people are punished for non-violent offences. Currently some 70% of young people in prison are there for a non-violent offence. That is outrageous and incomparable to any of our European neighbours and many further afield as well. Imprisonment often brings high re-offending levels with life long consequences such as no home, no job, interrupted education, no credit, restrictions on travel and work abroad with the consequential ever increasing spiral of more crime and more prison. This pattern costs huge amounts of public money, which we all have to pay for and which does nothing whatsoever for rehabilitation and reoffending levels.
Many of that 70% would have benefited from Restorative Justice (which may include a fine) by working in the community either full time or part time, putting right their offence (whatever it was) over a period set by the courts.
Gary Shields is one who would have benefited from such a programme rather than receiving a sentence of imprisonment that is both vindictive and disproportionate and which will do nothing to put right his offence nor facilitate his re-entry into a society of work in any way.
Another liberal Nationalist. Tax payers say throw away the key.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:22pm Sun 4 May 08
michael from surrey, when did you obtain your law society diploma?or your psychologist papers, if you have then i suggest you take a refresher course, where the hell were you when he was mixing with low life and spray painting, you are implying that you know better than the judges,you definitely no nothing.
michael from surrey, when did you obtain your law society diploma?or your psychologist papers, if you have then i suggest you take a refresher course, where the hell were you when he was mixing with low life and spray painting, you are implying that you know better than the judges,you definitely no nothing.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:40pm Sun 4 May 08
mikey that should be 'you know nothing,' ....by the way he is going to another prison so do not go to the bar -L he will have moved. he might be let out by now, greetin and wanting oot to play wi his pals, maybe you can take him to surrey.
mikey that should be 'you know nothing,' ....by the way he is going to another prison so do not go to the bar -L he will have moved. he might be let out by now, greetin and wanting oot to play wi his pals, maybe you can take him to surrey.
Posted by: Michael, Surrey on 12:24am Mon 5 May 08
Trench, you need to read carefully what I have written. I did not say I know better than the Judges, although I guess they are not perfect else we would not need a Court of Appeal. I expressed a strongly held opinion about the imprisonment of one young man for a non violent offence and I wrote about the sentencing of non violent offenders in general.
I question why in the UK we have several thousand young people in prison when our European neighbours have only hundreds. Perhaps there are other ways than ‘lock ‘em up and throw away the key’ because that is filling our prisons but clearly not working as per the re-offending rates. I have the right to question the seemingly conflicting range of sentencing that is evident every day of the week. If you don’t want to discuss these issues fine, I will leave you to work out how to clean a train that was painted when it had no passengers in it, without the need for inventive accounting.
Trench, you need to read carefully what I have written. I did not say I know better than the Judges, although I guess they are not perfect else we would not need a Court of Appeal. I expressed a strongly held opinion about the imprisonment of one young man for a non violent offence and I wrote about the sentencing of non violent offenders in general.
I question why in the UK we have several thousand young people in prison when our European neighbours have only hundreds. Perhaps there are other ways than ‘lock ‘em up and throw away the key’ because that is filling our prisons but clearly not working as per the re-offending rates. I have the right to question the seemingly conflicting range of sentencing that is evident every day of the week. If you don’t want to discuss these issues fine, I will leave you to work out how to clean a train that was painted when it had no passengers in it, without the need for inventive accounting.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 12:53am Mon 5 May 08
There is no justice ...
It"s all unfair ...
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