Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:11am Fri 9 May 08
As I've said here before you are not comparing like with like: there is a difference between jumping into the Kelvingrove to [bold]use the free toilets[/bold] and forking out £11.00 to get into Edinburgh Castle.
Just wait until next year when [bold]Kelvingrove punters will have to pay for the tacky Dr Who exhibition[/bold], then it will be like with like, and [italic]let's just see how popular the Kelvingrove is then with the paying public[/italic]!!!
As I've said here before you are not comparing like with like: there is a difference between jumping into the Kelvingrove to
use the free toilets and forking out £11.00 to get into Edinburgh Castle.
Just wait until next year when
Kelvingrove punters will have to pay for the tacky Dr Who exhibition, then it will be like with like, and
let's just see how popular the Kelvingrove is then with the paying public!!!
Posted by: theboyofdestiny, Glasgow on 11:33am Fri 9 May 08
The visit Scotland statistics compare Kelvingrove with Edinburgh Castle - note the distinction between free and pay-to-see. So keep what remains of yer hair on, Sydney.
Anyway, well done Kelvingrove. I'm fairly confident this is a drop in figures compared to last year (I'm sure it was above 3 million when it re-opened) - but all new museums experience a drop off in visitors after they reopen. I understand that the museum gets a lot of repeat visits. The new cafe is great and is very family friendly. This is an attraction in itself as well as the priceless treasures upstairs.
Finally, I imagine the Dr Who exhibition will [bold]boost[/bold] visitor numbers. Temporary , pay to enter exhibitions were regular before the museum was refurbished and people travel from further away to visit them. All these visitors are likely to see the rest of the museum. Personally, I can't wait for the Dr Who exhibition.
The visit Scotland statistics compare Kelvingrove with Edinburgh Castle - note the distinction between free and pay-to-see. So keep what remains of yer hair on, Sydney.
Anyway, well done Kelvingrove. I'm fairly confident this is a drop in figures compared to last year (I'm sure it was above 3 million when it re-opened) - but all new museums experience a drop off in visitors after they reopen. I understand that the museum gets a lot of repeat visits. The new cafe is great and is very family friendly. This is an attraction in itself as well as the priceless treasures upstairs.
Finally, I imagine the Dr Who exhibition will
boost visitor numbers. Temporary , pay to enter exhibitions were regular before the museum was refurbished and people travel from further away to visit them. All these visitors are likely to see the rest of the museum. Personally, I can't wait for the Dr Who exhibition.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 11:50am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
As I've said here before you are not comparing like with like: there is a difference between jumping into the Kelvingrove to [bold]use the free toilets[/bold] and forking out £11.00 to get into Edinburgh Castle.
Just wait until next year when [bold]Kelvingrove punters will have to pay for the tacky Dr Who exhibition[/bold], then it will be like with like, and [italic]let's just see how popular the Kelvingrove is then with the paying public[/italic]!!![/quote] Why exactly is the Dr Who exhibition tacky - you seem to use that word quite a lot Sydney, covering a wide number of subjects. Although I'm not one of them, Dr Who is watched by a good number of people. Are these people tacky? Are the people who want to visit this exhibition tacky?
Also, even when people have to pay for this exhibition, I don't think its comparing like for like... the Kelvingrove museum will still be free, however, only those who are interested in Dr Who will have to pay.
I hardly think that the Dr Who exhibition is expected to be competing with Edinburgh Castle in terms of visitor numbers.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
As I've said here before you are not comparing like with like: there is a difference between jumping into the Kelvingrove to use the free toilets and forking out £11.00 to get into Edinburgh Castle.
Just wait until next year when Kelvingrove punters will have to pay for the tacky Dr Who exhibition, then it will be like with like, and let's just see how popular the Kelvingrove is then with the paying public!!!
Why exactly is the Dr Who exhibition tacky - you seem to use that word quite a lot Sydney, covering a wide number of subjects. Although I'm not one of them, Dr Who is watched by a good number of people. Are these people tacky? Are the people who want to visit this exhibition tacky?
Also, even when people have to pay for this exhibition, I don't think its comparing like for like... the Kelvingrove museum will still be free, however, only those who are interested in Dr Who will have to pay.
I hardly think that the Dr Who exhibition is expected to be competing with Edinburgh Castle in terms of visitor numbers.
Posted by: HeyHo, Glasgow on 11:54am Fri 9 May 08
[italic]As I've said here before you are not comparing like with like: there is a difference between jumping into the Kelvingrove to use the free toilets and forking out £11.00 to get into Edinburgh Castle.[/italic]
Would that be a million or more visits to the toilet.
How many gallons would that be.
I know you all like statistics.
HH
As I've said here before you are not comparing like with like: there is a difference between jumping into the Kelvingrove to use the free toilets and forking out £11.00 to get into Edinburgh Castle.
Would that be a million or more visits to the toilet.
How many gallons would that be.
I know you all like statistics.
HH
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:12pm Fri 9 May 08
theboyofdestiny scraped the barrel when he said:
[quote]pay to enter exhibitions were regular before the museum was refurbished[/quote]
Okay, fair enough theboyofdestiny, name them... on you go, let's see you put your money where your mouth is come on... I'll start you off:
[italic]Dead Sea Scrolls[/italic]
[bold]Now my good man, if you will, come on name the rest of these 'regular' payed-for exhibitions at the Kelvingrove in the last 100+ years...[/bold]
theboyofdestiny scraped the barrel when he said:
pay to enter exhibitions were regular before the museum was refurbished
Okay, fair enough theboyofdestiny, name them... on you go, let's see you put your money where your mouth is come on... I'll start you off:
Dead Sea Scrolls
Now my good man, if you will, come on name the rest of these 'regular' payed-for exhibitions at the Kelvingrove in the last 100+ years... Posted by: Happy Harry, Glasgow on 12:39pm Fri 9 May 08
If anyone from Culture & Sport Glasgow is reading this can you please make the security staff at Kelvingrove aware that there is a man called Sydney who spends his time standing watchng people go to the toilet.
If anyone from Culture & Sport Glasgow is reading this can you please make the security staff at Kelvingrove aware that there is a man called Sydney who spends his time standing watchng people go to the toilet.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 1:42pm Fri 9 May 08
glasgow has something for everyone, science,art, museums, swimming,boating,foo
tball, parks pubs,spas,gambling,c
asinos,cycling,golf,
scottish inventions, history,universities
,theatres,fishing, my god i could go on forever, and the good down to earth people are great, we have the rough diamonds and we have the toffs(we still need to be a bit tougher than we are at present with the ned society, but civility will prevail, probably not in mylifetime but i am glad i was brought up there when there was no addicts to worry about and none of this liberal behaviour....its running amok, for a country that has survived wars, depression, told what to to do and what not to do by other nations, i cannot understand that little criminals think it is their devine right to rob,maim, vandalize,and disrespect society, i say take back our rights to live in a free and safe society, and the police should keep the pressure on,do not let munchkins take over.
glasgow has something for everyone, science,art, museums, swimming,boating,foo
tball, parks pubs,spas,gambling,c
asinos,cycling,golf,
scottish inventions, history,universities
,theatres,fishing, my god i could go on forever, and the good down to earth people are great, we have the rough diamonds and we have the toffs(we still need to be a bit tougher than we are at present with the ned society, but civility will prevail, probably not in mylifetime but i am glad i was brought up there when there was no addicts to worry about and none of this liberal behaviour....its running amok, for a country that has survived wars, depression, told what to to do and what not to do by other nations, i cannot understand that little criminals think it is their devine right to rob,maim, vandalize,and disrespect society, i say take back our rights to live in a free and safe society, and the police should keep the pressure on,do not let munchkins take over.
Posted by: mike, Partick on 2:17pm Fri 9 May 08
It's not just the fact that one is free and the other isn't it's also about the accuracy of the figures. At Edinburgh they'll know the numbers of tickets sold but at Kelvingrove there's no-one counting the numbers going in. Even if they had some kind of system where a small infra-red beam is cut at the door every time someone comes through they would have to allow for the fact that people can wander outside for some fresh air (or ciggie) and then wander back in - which I've done myself.
It's not just the fact that one is free and the other isn't it's also about the accuracy of the figures. At Edinburgh they'll know the numbers of tickets sold but at Kelvingrove there's no-one counting the numbers going in. Even if they had some kind of system where a small infra-red beam is cut at the door every time someone comes through they would have to allow for the fact that people can wander outside for some fresh air (or ciggie) and then wander back in - which I've done myself.
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 2:43pm Fri 9 May 08
Meriwether, you're an idiot and a naysayer of everything. It's laughable that most of the 2.23m visitors went in to use the free toilet.
Kelvingrove isn't exactly a convenient location to get to just to "use the free toilets". If you're that concerned get the toilet roll expenditure from Culture and Sport Glasgow under the freedom of information act.
Meriwether, you're an idiot and a naysayer of everything. It's laughable that most of the 2.23m visitors went in to use the free toilet.
Kelvingrove isn't exactly a convenient location to get to just to "use the free toilets". If you're that concerned get the toilet roll expenditure from Culture and Sport Glasgow under the freedom of information act.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:55pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]mike[/bold] wrote:
It's not just the fact that one is free and the other isn't it's also about the accuracy of the figures. At Edinburgh they'll know the numbers of tickets sold but at Kelvingrove there's no-one counting the numbers going in. Even if they had some kind of system where a small infra-red beam is cut at the door every time someone comes through they would have to allow for the fact that people can wander outside for some fresh air (or ciggie) and then wander back in - which I've done myself. [/quote] Exactly mike... and remember that Culture and Sport Glesgae [italic]could[/italic] be seen to have have a vested commercial interest in inflating figures (I'm not saying that they do, merely pointing out a possibility).
Where are you [bold]theboyofdestiny[/bold]; as Diana Ross so beautifully said, [italic]I'm Still Waiting[/italic]....
mike wrote:
It's not just the fact that one is free and the other isn't it's also about the accuracy of the figures. At Edinburgh they'll know the numbers of tickets sold but at Kelvingrove there's no-one counting the numbers going in. Even if they had some kind of system where a small infra-red beam is cut at the door every time someone comes through they would have to allow for the fact that people can wander outside for some fresh air (or ciggie) and then wander back in - which I've done myself.
Exactly mike... and remember that Culture and Sport Glesgae
could be seen to have have a vested commercial interest in inflating figures (I'm not saying that they do, merely pointing out a possibility).
Where are you
theboyofdestiny; as Diana Ross so beautifully said,
I'm Still Waiting....
Posted by: mike, Partick on 2:56pm Fri 9 May 08
Tarry breeks - I think you're right about the toilet, the question is how they count anybody.
Tarry breeks - I think you're right about the toilet, the question is how they count anybody.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:22pm Fri 9 May 08
do they have a flushing toilet that can clock up the times that the toilet is flushed, or the door opens.....or do they have a hidden camera to keep an eye out for sub culture mischeif?
do they have a flushing toilet that can clock up the times that the toilet is flushed, or the door opens.....or do they have a hidden camera to keep an eye out for sub culture mischeif?
Posted by: jimmyk, Glasgow on 3:33pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mike[/bold] wrote: It's not just the fact that one is free and the other isn't it's also about the accuracy of the figures. At Edinburgh they'll know the numbers of tickets sold but at Kelvingrove there's no-one counting the numbers going in. Even if they had some kind of system where a small infra-red beam is cut at the door every time someone comes through they would have to allow for the fact that people can wander outside for some fresh air (or ciggie) and then wander back in - which I've done myself. [/quote] Exactly mike... and remember that Culture and Sport Glesgae [italic]could[/italic] be seen to have have a vested commercial interest in inflating figures (I'm not saying that they do, merely pointing out a possibility). Where are you [bold]theboyofdestiny[/bold]; as Diana Ross so beautifully said, [italic]I'm Still Waiting[/italic]....[/quote] Sydney, Sydney, Sydney,
Calm yourself down. You will only work your "frilly underwear" into a knot and then you will go and say something even more stupid.
I see you like Diana Ross. Mmmm. I would have thought you were more of a CHER fan!
(I'm not saying that you are, merely pointing out a possibility)
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
mike wrote: It's not just the fact that one is free and the other isn't it's also about the accuracy of the figures. At Edinburgh they'll know the numbers of tickets sold but at Kelvingrove there's no-one counting the numbers going in. Even if they had some kind of system where a small infra-red beam is cut at the door every time someone comes through they would have to allow for the fact that people can wander outside for some fresh air (or ciggie) and then wander back in - which I've done myself.
Exactly mike... and remember that Culture and Sport Glesgae could be seen to have have a vested commercial interest in inflating figures (I'm not saying that they do, merely pointing out a possibility). Where are you theboyofdestiny; as Diana Ross so beautifully said, I'm Still Waiting....
Sydney, Sydney, Sydney,
Calm yourself down. You will only work your "frilly underwear" into a knot and then you will go and say something even more stupid.
I see you like Diana Ross. Mmmm. I would have thought you were more of a CHER fan!
(I'm not saying that you are, merely pointing out a possibility)
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 3:37pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Tarry breeks[/bold] wrote:
Meriwether, you're an idiot and a naysayer of everything. It's laughable that most of the 2.23m visitors went in to use the free toilet. Kelvingrove isn't exactly a convenient location to get to just to "use the free toilets". If you're that concerned get the toilet roll expenditure from Culture and Sport Glasgow under the freedom of information act.[/quote] Personally, I hold it in until I can get to Kelvingrove. Unlike Sydney who generally seems to use this forum.
Does the Sydney boy have any idea how much people will happily spend on 'tacky' Doctor Who paraphenalia? There'll be a queue round the block.
Tarry breeks wrote:
Meriwether, you're an idiot and a naysayer of everything. It's laughable that most of the 2.23m visitors went in to use the free toilet. Kelvingrove isn't exactly a convenient location to get to just to "use the free toilets". If you're that concerned get the toilet roll expenditure from Culture and Sport Glasgow under the freedom of information act.
Personally, I hold it in until I can get to Kelvingrove. Unlike Sydney who generally seems to use this forum.
Does the Sydney boy have any idea how much people will happily spend on 'tacky' Doctor Who paraphenalia? There'll be a queue round the block.
Posted by: Forbes Aiken, Glasgow on 3:38pm Fri 9 May 08
Sydney Miserywitter has surpassed himself. For once in your life accept a "good news" story about Glasgow at face value and celebrate like the rest of us.
Kelvingrove has been a huge succes and recognised as such almost unanimously.
Sydney Miserywitter has surpassed himself. For once in your life accept a "good news" story about Glasgow at face value and celebrate like the rest of us.
Kelvingrove has been a huge succes and recognised as such almost unanimously.
Posted by: mike, Partick on 3:51pm Fri 9 May 08
Forbes and others - the reason not to accept this at face value is fairly obvious if you've ever visited Kelvingrove....there
's nobody counting.
Forbes and others - the reason not to accept this at face value is fairly obvious if you've ever visited Kelvingrove....there
's nobody counting.
Posted by: sds, Glasgow on 4:02pm Fri 9 May 08
Sydney, how many times have you been in the Kelvingrove, aside from to use the toilet? The place is often *packed*! I'd prefer if it were quieter!
Sydney, how many times have you been in the Kelvingrove, aside from to use the toilet? The place is often *packed*! I'd prefer if it were quieter!
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, West End on 4:03pm Fri 9 May 08
As a point of interest I've always liked the large, white-tiled and scrupulously clean Gents toilet in the Kelvingrove Art Galleries. Odd that in nearly sixty five years of visiting I have yet to see a queue at any of the toilets. I've probably only had two pees in about sixty visits to Kelvingrove...am I missing something here? Tell all Sydney.
Incidentally, After spending £millions on the refurbishment, there's still only one Gents bog, for shame Glasgow, don't you know there's millions of people using it...more toilets please!
As a point of interest I've always liked the large, white-tiled and scrupulously clean Gents toilet in the Kelvingrove Art Galleries. Odd that in nearly sixty five years of visiting I have yet to see a queue at any of the toilets. I've probably only had two pees in about sixty visits to Kelvingrove...am I missing something here? Tell all Sydney.
Incidentally, After spending £millions on the refurbishment, there's still only one Gents bog, for shame Glasgow, don't you know there's millions of people using it...more toilets please!
Posted by: mike, Partick on 4:03pm Fri 9 May 08
sds - and have you ever seen anyone counting the numbers?
sds - and have you ever seen anyone counting the numbers?
Posted by: Ian, Glasgow on 4:33pm Fri 9 May 08
Fantastic news for Glasgow!
Fantastic news for Glasgow!
Posted by: mike, Partick on 4:49pm Fri 9 May 08
Well it's all silent on how they count the number of visitors going to Kelvingrove...and wonderful and busy though it is, as someone who lives nearby I don't believe that there are more than 6,000 people (on average each day visiting) that would be almost 800 an hour or one every four seconds.
Well it's all silent on how they count the number of visitors going to Kelvingrove...and wonderful and busy though it is, as someone who lives nearby I don't believe that there are more than 6,000 people (on average each day visiting) that would be almost 800 an hour or one every four seconds.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 5:13pm Fri 9 May 08
I dont see how this adds up ...
One is free (Council tax) the other you pay ...
I dont see how this adds up ...
One is free (Council tax) the other you pay ...
Posted by: puritycontrol, Glasgow on 5:44pm Fri 9 May 08
I used to work For Glasgow museums, And I can confirm that the figures issued are well and truly fixed, Musuems in glasgow dont get anywhere near the numbers of visitors they claim, This is because the staff think that if the numbers are not high eneough they will shut the museum down i.e Scotland Street, The fact is the managment dont advertise the museums properly, which is a shame because we have a great collection!
I used to work For Glasgow museums, And I can confirm that the figures issued are well and truly fixed, Musuems in glasgow dont get anywhere near the numbers of visitors they claim, This is because the staff think that if the numbers are not high eneough they will shut the museum down i.e Scotland Street, The fact is the managment dont advertise the museums properly, which is a shame because we have a great collection!
Posted by: sds, Glasgow on 6:25pm Fri 9 May 08
Mike, sure, the numbers average out at about 1 visitor every 5 seconds. Of course, there are blips in the real numbers, such as visiting parties, constant school trips, the people who pour off the various sightseeing buses during the good weather, etc.
I'd guess that they count a couple of times a year, and extrapolate all-year numbers from that. Of course, it's easy to pick days when they know they're going to be extra-busy, to inflate the all-year numbers.
Even so, numbers or not, it's a busy little museum, and a joy to visit. I was neither backing nor attacking the numbers, merely Sydney's assertion that most visitors went in only to use the toilet.
Mike, sure, the numbers average out at about 1 visitor every 5 seconds. Of course, there are blips in the real numbers, such as visiting parties, constant school trips, the people who pour off the various sightseeing buses during the good weather, etc.
I'd guess that they count a couple of times a year, and extrapolate all-year numbers from that. Of course, it's easy to pick days when they know they're going to be extra-busy, to inflate the all-year numbers.
Even so, numbers or not, it's a busy little museum, and a joy to visit. I was neither backing nor attacking the numbers, merely Sydney's assertion that most visitors went in only to use the toilet.
Posted by: kokakola, The City on 6:35pm Fri 9 May 08
The company and the staff of the self service tearoom should be wearing masks,I was charged £6.50 for 1 coffee, 1 tea, a muffin and a slice of apple tart the other day and they have the cheek to have a dish placed at the pay till for a tip, bloody rip off merchants.
ps. the tart was nice.
The company and the staff of the self service tearoom should be wearing masks,I was charged £6.50 for 1 coffee, 1 tea, a muffin and a slice of apple tart the other day and they have the cheek to have a dish placed at the pay till for a tip, bloody rip off merchants.
ps. the tart was nice.
Posted by: expat john, Canada on 7:05pm Fri 9 May 08
Sydney does the counting...then doubles it so he can get the ET to do a column on it, then lambast the figures & get a forum going!!!
Sydney does the counting...then doubles it so he can get the ET to do a column on it, then lambast the figures & get a forum going!!!
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 9:22pm Fri 9 May 08
I am disgusted by the east coast bias demonstrated by these figures. Since they dont include the billion or so spent on that bird attracting parliment and even allowing west coast atrractions like brittania to be housed in edinburgh with government money to appeal to tourists and add to the britishness of the city. Never mind it was built in glasgow as there arent any shipbuilders in edinburgh worthy of their own sealegs. So lets pap it up in edinburgh sprucing up an area better known for being full of junkies internationally thanks to the great classic trainspotting. Not one tourist attraction in glasgow that you have to pay for until the dr what exhibition. The only other museum worth a mention in glasgow is the burrel and that was a private collection donated to an ungrateful council along with one of the best parks in europe. Where is the government money to make attractions that are worth visiting. I'll give you a clue it cost what a couple million or so to shorten the national logo to scotland is no bad and that was seen as money well spent compared to other efforts.
I am disgusted by the east coast bias demonstrated by these figures. Since they dont include the billion or so spent on that bird attracting parliment and even allowing west coast atrractions like brittania to be housed in edinburgh with government money to appeal to tourists and add to the britishness of the city. Never mind it was built in glasgow as there arent any shipbuilders in edinburgh worthy of their own sealegs. So lets pap it up in edinburgh sprucing up an area better known for being full of junkies internationally thanks to the great classic trainspotting. Not one tourist attraction in glasgow that you have to pay for until the dr what exhibition. The only other museum worth a mention in glasgow is the burrel and that was a private collection donated to an ungrateful council along with one of the best parks in europe. Where is the government money to make attractions that are worth visiting. I'll give you a clue it cost what a couple million or so to shorten the national logo to scotland is no bad and that was seen as money well spent compared to other efforts.
Posted by: celtic4, United States on 11:53pm Fri 9 May 08
Well done Glasgow! And Kelvingrove! I cannot wait to visit both next year!
Well done Glasgow! And Kelvingrove! I cannot wait to visit both next year!
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 6:03pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]celtic4[/bold] wrote:
Well done Glasgow! And Kelvingrove! I cannot wait to visit both next year![/quote] Just what we need another loud mouth yank!
celtic4 wrote:
Well done Glasgow! And Kelvingrove! I cannot wait to visit both next year!
Just what we need another loud mouth yank!
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