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The flats have been part of the skyline for a long time, but they will soon be demolished Pictures: Kirk O'Rourke
The flats have been part of the skyline for a long time, but they will soon be demolished Pictures: Kirk O'Rourke
 
Looking forward: Gorbals residents Maureen Kyle, Dorothy Denham, Jimmy Mutter and Lena Borland all think it is time for the flats to be razed
Looking forward: Gorbals residents Maureen Kyle, Dorothy Denham, Jimmy Mutter and Lena Borland all think it is time for the flats to be razed
 
The way they were: in the 1970s Gorbals residents organised trips to the seaside for youngsters
The way they were: in the 1970s Gorbals residents organised trips to the seaside for youngsters
 
<b>Highs and lows of city living</b><p><li>The first Glasgow tower blocks were built in Mosspark in 1955, while the last were at Berryknowes Road in Cardonald in 1976.<br><li>When the city's 31-storey Red Road flats, in Petershill, were completed in 1971 it was the tallest housing development in Europe.<br><li>The Mitchell Hill flats in Castlemilk  immortalised in the famous Jeely Piece Song  were blown up in November 2005, pictured above.<br><li>Until recent demolitions began, there were 258 blocks of eight storeys or more in the city.<br><li>Other multi-storeys targeted for demolition include Norfolk Court in the Gorbals, the Red Road flats, the Fountainwell flats in Sighthill and the Shawbridge flats in Pollokshaws.
Highs and lows of city living

  • The first Glasgow tower blocks were built in Mosspark in 1955, while the last were at Berryknowes Road in Cardonald in 1976.
  • When the city's 31-storey Red Road flats, in Petershill, were completed in 1971 it was the tallest housing development in Europe.
  • The Mitchell Hill flats in Castlemilk immortalised in the famous Jeely Piece Song were blown up in November 2005, pictured above.
  • Until recent demolitions began, there were 258 blocks of eight storeys or more in the city.
  • Other multi-storeys targeted for demolition include Norfolk Court in the Gorbals, the Red Road flats, the Fountainwell flats in Sighthill and the Shawbridge flats in Pollokshaws.
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    by Marianne Taylor

    FOR almost 40 years they have towered above the Gorbals ... giant monuments to the 1960s dream of communities in the sky.

    But by this time next week, the Stirlingfaulds flats will be reduced to thousands of tonnes of rubble - and a new era in housing will begin.

    Reader Poll
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    Health and safety rules mean we can't reveal the exact moment of demolition; suffice to say it is imminent.

    For community activist Jimmy Mutter, who lives in the shadow of the towers, the demolition of the two 23-storey blocks by the Glasgow Housing Association is a pivotal moment in the history of the Gorbals.

    It marks a new beginning, and the realisation of a dream for Laurieston.

    £350m for 'world class' vision

    THE £350m transformation of Laurieston will be cash well spent, says Fraser Stewart, director of New Gorbals Housing Association.

    He believes it will soon be one of the most attractive areas in the city.

    Mr Stewart added: "We look forward to working with the community to realise our vision - a world-class city quarter.

    "Gorbals people deserve a great place to live and work and that is what this community will be."

    David Fletcher, head of regeneration at Glasgow Housing Association, said: "This marks the beginning of a new era."

    Jimmy, 72, is Gorbals born and bred, was the local councillor for 23 years and is now chairman of the Laurieston Regeneration Committee. He has battled tirelessly to see the area improved.

    That is what is going to happen over the next decade, as an ambitious regeneration plan costing £350million takes shape.

    Nearby Norfolk Court - Stirlingfauld's neighbouring twin blocks - is also targeted for demolition.

    Permission has been granted to erect 1600 quality homes - in the style of Park Circus in the West End - in their place.

    Shops, offices and community facilities will sit side by side along wide European-style boulevards, while a park will give residents a place to relax.

    According to Jimmy, a grandfather of eight married to Tilda for 45 years, it is time for these major changes.

    "Families don't want to live like this any more," he says, looking up at the 23 storeys of concrete.

    "They have better expectations and want low-level homes in a vibrant community.

    And who can blame them?

    "Blocks like Stirlingaulds were a good idea at the time and, compared to the crumbling old tenements, they were like palaces. But in the longer term they didn't work.

    "I'm confident this time we're getting it right."

    Jimmy believes Laurieston, if given the chance, will thrive again.

    He says: "I'm very proud of the Gorbals and its people. Planners now come from all over the world to see the regeneration in nearby New Gorbals.

    "Our plan for Laurieston is fantastic - people will want to live and work here again."

    Many view multi-storeys as damaging architectural and sociological mistakes.

    But to the families who lived there for generations, the flats - which once housed 2000 people - were home.

    Dorothy Denham lived on the 16th floor from when the flats were completed in 1973 until 1996.

    The mother-of-two had previously lived in a nearby tenement, which was overcrowded and had an outside toilet.

    The retired catering manager, now 72 says: "The new flats were lovely, with fitted kitchens and bathrooms - something we had never had - and a fantastic view."

    Lena Borland agrees. She moved to the 15th floor, also in 1973, after years in a tenement no longer fit for habitation.

    The grandmother of two says: "There was such a great community spirit in the flats. Everyone pulled together and looked out for each other.

    "We ran arts and crafts classes for the children, and took them on bus runs to Ayr and Prestwick."

    But by the mid-80s, the flats had become rundown, and the council did not have the cash to improve them.

    Residents were forced to climb 23 flights of stairs with buggies when the lifts broke down, which they often did for weeks at a time.

    And the residents changed too.

    "By the 80s they were letting anyone live in the flats," says Dorothy. "Drug dealers, drug takers, and anti-social families moved from elsewhere.

    "It was awful. Lots of decent families moved away, and the flats got a very bad reputation. They were finished by then - there was no way back."

    Both Dorothy and Lena moved out in 1996, settling minutes away from their former homes.

    "I'll be there to see the flats come down," says Lena. "I might even shed a wee tear when I think of the happy times I had living there.

    "But demolishing them is the best idea GHA ever had."

    Dorothy adds: "The plan for the area is smashing and the new houses look lovely. I just hope the folk that move in appreciate them. It will transform the place."

    Publication date 28/05/08

    Posted by: Veronica Inglis, Knightswood on 10:59am Wed 28 May 08
    Hello,
    As much as I live in high flats, the ones I am in are very good, and well maintained. I do know there are others which are a dreadful shame, and an embarrassment, and quite rightly should be demolished.
    But as I have said once before, these problems are not always the fault of the architect or builder, its people who live in them that make communities.
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 11:07am Wed 28 May 08
    there are good and bad neighbours everywhere, seems a lot of trouble comes with flats, but when high rise towerblocks dont get maintained and a lift is essential then you cant put elderly nor babies in, wee kiddies in up 23 flights and expect the mums to cart them up all that way, no way , that was a shame.

    too many folk living on top of one another, high rise towerblocks are outdated now and its about time they were all pulled down as there are dampness problems and so on that would have cost millions to maintain.

    Goodbye to big eye sores at long last I say! Good to see new Gorbals , these wee grannies have fond memories no doubt, their abodes in the sky were ok 40 years ago but times have changed , cheeerio

    bricks and mortar dont make a place, its the sense of feeling and hope a community has ,and the Gorbals has some lovely folk in it,I know firsthand from working there a couple of years back in the post office.
    Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:34am Wed 28 May 08
    IM only in my mid 40s and i remember the gorbals before the high rise and they did pull down perfectly ok tenements that could have been knocked through to make larger flats,and the community was even better,i agree its time to get rid of them ,
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:15pm Wed 28 May 08
    i remember when they blew the last lot up about 15 years ago or so
    was great to watch. hopefully someone will let the time and date slip so i can go and watch
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 12:38pm Wed 28 May 08
    Not so great if you get hit by the flying debris though... like last time.
    Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 12:38pm Wed 28 May 08
    Let's hope its safe.

    Years ago they blew up some flats and unfortunately th epublic wasn't as far back as they should be. A woman was hit by a brick and killed instantly.

    What about the high risers in Shawlands?

    They should blow them up also.

    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 1:01pm Wed 28 May 08
    Pete wrote:
    Not so great if you get hit by the flying debris though... like last time.
    obviously, but just make sure your a good bit back from the safe zone. you get a better view from further back
    Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 1:46pm Wed 28 May 08
    Veronica Inglis: these problems are not always the fault of the architect or builder, its people who live in them that make communities.

    Very true, though as these hi-rise flats were largely built cheaply and thrown up (with the previous night's lager and vindaloo) with so many poor families thrown in together, and with poorly maintained facilities, then they were a recipe for disaster.

    jim: they did pull down perfectly ok tenements

    This was also a problem. Many of these tenements were doubtlessly better quality than the hi-rise that the residents were moved into.

    Rab Jones: What about the high risers in Shawlands?

    They should blow them up also.

    If you're talking about the Shawbridge flats in Pollokshaws, then I agree with you. That estate has become a magnet for druggies in recent years.

    I'm sure the Stirlingfauld Court flats are the area that was described as "Glasgow's Bronx' a couple of years ago?
    Posted by: bigcrispyhied, glasgow on 2:04pm Wed 28 May 08
    my mum and dad stay next door to one of the people pictured,the flats are going up(or down) at 10am on sunday(1st june)
    Posted by: The X Factor, Glasgow on 2:05pm Wed 28 May 08
    Who says they were cheaply built? Some were but most are very very solid, over-engineered even.

    Jim, I agree that the community spirit was better in the tenements but dont forget how poor the housing was. the tenements were built to victorian standards for a poor working class to rent privately. V overcrowded, poor thermal insulation, draughty sash n case windows, extremely poor services no central heating, cloth covered wiring, small, ceilings too high to heat a room properly.

    Just my tuppence, maybe nonsense lol. Anyway Interesting debate and good contibutions from people here.

    Posted by: CM, Whiteinch on 2:14pm Wed 28 May 08
    Health and safety rules mean we can't reveal the exact moment of demolition; suffice to say it is imminent.


    I hope they at least tell the neighbours and the passers-by!
    Posted by: CM, Whiteinch on 2:14pm Wed 28 May 08
    Health and safety rules mean we can't reveal the exact moment of demolition; suffice to say it is imminent.


    I hope they at least tell the neighbours and the passers-by!
    Posted by: celtic4, United States on 2:22pm Wed 28 May 08
    Wishing you all the luck in the facelift for the city. And for the folks wanting a new place to stay.Go for it.
    Posted by: celtic4, United States on 2:23pm Wed 28 May 08
    Wishing you all the luck in the facelift for the city. And for the folks wanting a new place to stay.Go for it.
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:23pm Wed 28 May 08
    The X Factor wrote:
    Who says they were cheaply built? Some were but most are very very solid, over-engineered even. Jim, I agree that the community spirit was better in the tenements but dont forget how poor the housing was. the tenements were built to victorian standards for a poor working class to rent privately. V overcrowded, poor thermal insulation, draughty sash n case windows, extremely poor services no central heating, cloth covered wiring, small, ceilings too high to heat a room properly. Just my tuppence, maybe nonsense lol. Anyway Interesting debate and good contibutions from people here.
    I used to live in the flats at Cowcaddens - certainly over engineered. Pre stressed concrete walls... burnt out a drill trying to hang a picture.

    And is 10 am on Sunday actually "imminent"?
    Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 2:32pm Wed 28 May 08
    The X Factor wrote:
    Who says they were cheaply built? Some were but most are very very solid, over-engineered even. Jim, I agree that the community spirit was better in the tenements but dont forget how poor the housing was. the tenements were built to victorian standards for a poor working class to rent privately. V overcrowded, poor thermal insulation, draughty sash n case windows, extremely poor services no central heating, cloth covered wiring, small, ceilings too high to heat a room properly. Just my tuppence, maybe nonsense lol. Anyway Interesting debate and good contibutions from people here.
    Dorothy Denham a resident of these high rise flats is correct in saying that housing officials were mostly to blame for the demise of what was once a vibrant community spirited area.Look what happens when the dregs,and scumbags are allocated houses in decent parts of the city,they force law-abiding residents out and within a short space of time the area is only fit for demolition.this has occurred in most of Glasgow city council housing stock.the council continue to bury it's head in the sand when it comes to dealing with anti-social families and decent rent- and tax-paying tenants are left to suffer the consequences
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 2:32pm Wed 28 May 08
    bigcrispyhied wrote:
    my mum and dad stay next door to one of the people pictured,the flats are going up(or down) at 10am on sunday(1st june)
    sundays the 2nd

    1st or 2nd?
    Posted by: bigcrispyhied, glasgow on 2:37pm Wed 28 May 08
    Pete wrote:
    The X Factor wrote: Who says they were cheaply built? Some were but most are very very solid, over-engineered even. Jim, I agree that the community spirit was better in the tenements but dont forget how poor the housing was. the tenements were built to victorian standards for a poor working class to rent privately. V overcrowded, poor thermal insulation, draughty sash n case windows, extremely poor services no central heating, cloth covered wiring, small, ceilings too high to heat a room properly. Just my tuppence, maybe nonsense lol. Anyway Interesting debate and good contibutions from people here.
    I used to live in the flats at Cowcaddens - certainly over engineered. Pre stressed concrete walls... burnt out a drill trying to hang a picture. And is 10 am on Sunday actually "imminent"?
    i beleive it is pete,my parents stay at wellcroft place(about 500yards away) and were letterd several weeks ago about the time of the demolition,allthough they are not being evacuated the residents of eglinton court wich are right across from the flats are.i also work in the rail industry and have been told t no rail trafic will pass over the old city union line that passes through the gorballs that morning(its mostly used for frieght and empty coaching stock movment)
    Posted by: bigcrispyhied, glasgow on 2:43pm Wed 28 May 08
    yerauldda wrote:
    bigcrispyhied wrote: my mum and dad stay next door to one of the people pictured,the flats are going up(or down) at 10am on sunday(1st june)
    sundays the 2nd 1st or 2nd?
    err! unless i have a delboy calender i make sunday the 1st..
    Posted by: SunnyJhim, South of the River on 2:55pm Wed 28 May 08
    There is no debate...the majority of Glasgow's public housing high-rise stock WAS built on the cheap...or at least on a very limited budget. This was underwritten by a combination of Scottish Office (Westminster) underfunding; enthusiastic but naive postwar socialist councillors, MOST of whom genuinely acted in what they perceived to be the common-weal; and needless to say the odd bit of public-private corruption (nowt new in the world of 'PPI' eh?).

    However, what is often forgotten in contemporary analysis by those who are only vaguely aware of the conditons of the time is just how vast and desperate the problem was in terms of housing Glasgow's inner-city working class. Problem was, in their urgency to give people 'decent' accomodation they forgot about all the other infrastructure that goes into making a 'cohesive community'.

    For those interested in a fictional but fantastic insight into this period in the West of Scotland's municipal history and subsequent legacy of impoverished housing schemes etc, have a read of Andrew O'Hagan's utterly brilliant "In The Name of Our Fathers". It'd bring a tear tae a glass eye...
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 3:12pm Wed 28 May 08
    bigcrispyhied wrote:
    yerauldda wrote:
    bigcrispyhied wrote: my mum and dad stay next door to one of the people pictured,the flats are going up(or down) at 10am on sunday(1st june)
    sundays the 2nd 1st or 2nd?
    err! unless i have a delboy calender i make sunday the 1st..
    oops

    2nd of october is a sunday.......
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 3:40pm Wed 28 May 08
    about time anaw though as the wee guy Jimmy Mutter said above, "Families don't want to live like this any more," he says, looking up at the 23 storeys of concrete.

    "They have better expectations and want low-level homes in a vibrant community.

    And who can blame them?

    He is right now I can point to a few mer that should go kapput wi some dynamite, scottish parliament next maybe? ;-)
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 3:44pm Wed 28 May 08
    ps yerauldda october the 2nd?? eh wot? thats actually no true , as 2nd oct is a thursday but we are only talking about june here , keep on taking the tablets we will let ye know when its october ,ok

    :-D
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 3:59pm Wed 28 May 08
    my calender was on october
    for reasons best known to someone else
    NOV 2nd is the sunday

    looked at oct. say the 2nd day after the end of the month (for 2nd of june)
    got mixed up and confused
    made an arse of it

    I CANNY COPE WITH THE PRESSURE!!!
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 4:28pm Wed 28 May 08
    ach diddums, take teh pressure off yersel auldie, poor guy, never mind, i will come round and make you a big builders mug of strong sweet tea auld da, ps want me to bring a 25p bargain bin calendar fae asda ? I got one today was £12.99 in dec 07 when 1st launched.lol

    it's nowt to be ashamed of, a Freudian slip, we all have them ! where you say/type something because you at the time, looked at or thought about something abstract, and you were slightly distracted, but it wasn't what you intended to say.

    For example, like when last week I last seen my ex and had a Freudian slip as I said 'Hiah.ok. see ye later', when I really wanted to say, 'haha Godsake, state of you! whata mess you are, havent you aged helluva badly, check our yer beer gut and baldy heid, what did I ever see in you? thank *** you are not in my life any more ya **** muppet !'

    where was I, oh aye, so sunday the 1st at 10am, it is then for the razing of the flats?
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 4:35pm Wed 28 May 08
    if i can figure out what day it is before 9, then i'll be there for 10!

    and i don't like tea, but thanks for the offer!
    would a pint of baltica be out of the question?
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 4:51pm Wed 28 May 08
    a russian beer man eh? how does it differ from other beers, as I am a beer ignorant wummin!?

    all tea is, is flavoured /milky, water, us scots dont rehydrate ourselves enough, cos dont forget alkie beverages make you thirstier!

    i dont like coffee, can drink the odd frothy sweet creamy variety if am in a cafe, but id decline someone making me strong coffee,say strong blend and skimmed milk(urgh yuk) it tends to remind me of what id imagine an ashtray would taste like if simmered in a pot!

    and so on that note of non- tea -but- beer please -, i would avoid going near demolishing as thats no ma cup of tea, be good to see all tower blocks gone .

    no more builds higher than 7 flights for anyone i reckon. i just think too much of the imagary of twin towers and ok these flats are empty,but id rather just have a sunday lie in and let bob the demolisher and co get on wi it!
    Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 5:11pm Wed 28 May 08
    well it's nicer than the local tipple of tennants
    cooking lager if ever i tasted it

    i tried russian tea once as well

    we ran out of juice for the vodka
    i had been drinking irish coffee's a few days before
    thought well if you can have irish coffee, why not russian tea?

    that was 10 years ago and i still hallucinate from time to time
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 7:38pm Wed 28 May 08
    is anyone saving a piece of masonry as a momentum?
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 7:39pm Wed 28 May 08
    i meant to say, oops freudian slip LOL a 'momento'
    Posted by: Whoop-de_doo, Arizona on 7:50pm Wed 28 May 08
    Catch a brick and sell it on Ebay !
    Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 10:18pm Wed 28 May 08


    catch a falling BRICK and put it in yer pocket ,save it for a rainy day!
    Posted by: glassman, Dalmarnock on 11:24pm Wed 28 May 08
    so then high rise flats are an "old fashioned" way of living. try telling that to the punters that are shelling out £200k+ for a nice wee new multi in Partick and the Broomielaw and dozens of other new blocks built in the last ten years in Glasgow. The fact is that there is nothing wrong with living in a well maintained and managed multi.
    Posted by: MultiStory, Glasgow Scotland on 11:43pm Wed 28 May 08
    Very short sighted move to raze these flats. They are solidly built but needed fixing. Stirlingfaulds is awesome. The money would be better spent redeveloping all of Glasgows multi's. They are Glasgow's Manhattan. Where are the visionaries in our city council? Here's hoping Norfolk Court will not suffer the same fate!
    Posted by: MultiStory, Glasgow Scotland on 11:43pm Wed 28 May 08
    Very short sighted move to raze these flats. They are solidly built but needed fixing. Stirlingfaulds is awesome. The money would be better spent redeveloping all of Glasgows multi's. They are Glasgow's Manhattan. Where are the visionaries in our city council? Here's hoping Norfolk Court will not suffer the same fate!
    Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:26am Thu 29 May 08
    a just hope they dont tell the nutter tenants that live in them when they are blowing them up,
    Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 3:06pm Thu 29 May 08
    Let's stick a big bag of smack on top about twenty minutes before it's meant to go boom, and watch the junkies scuttle up the stairs. Fun for all the family.
    Posted by: maximusmop, townhead on 5:58pm Thu 29 May 08
    It's ironic that the last tenement close to survive the laureston 60's demolition will survive in the regenerated grid plan to be reinstated, i hat getting up early on sunday mornings!
    Posted by: brian, vancouver on 8:13pm Thu 29 May 08
    i lived on floor 12 of those flats and the flat itself was great,unfortunatly the suroundings wernt so. i know live in canada and the high risses are a bit different,carpeted,f
    urniture in the halls,paintings on the walls,tinted glass exteriors.you just dont get people peeing in the lifts.a lot of glasweegians have to get it together if they whant nice places to live.
    Posted by: teamdroid on 12:28pm Fri 30 May 08
    This Health and Safety thing about not revealing the exact time: it's a pathetic over-reaction to the Jean Tinnie (was that her name?) tragedy years ago.

    Blowing these things down should be a celebration, not swept under the carpet. Simply define a decent safety distance, and advise people on good viewing spots.

    In fact, have they ever considered the number of heart attacks they might cause by having a loud unexpected explosion in the early hours of Sunday morning?!
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