Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:09am Wed 28 May 08
I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough.
Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem.
Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for.
Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there.
I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough.
Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem.
Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for.
Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:22am Wed 28 May 08
My mate is a graduate from st andrews he never got to do what he was looking to do and 10yr on still works for someone else,i hope it works for Glasgows sake.
My mate is a graduate from st andrews he never got to do what he was looking to do and 10yr on still works for someone else,i hope it works for Glasgows sake.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 12:42pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
My mate is a graduate from st andrews he never got to do what he was looking to do and 10yr on still works for someone else,i hope it works for Glasgows sake.[/quote] It wont.
There's too many phoney courses out there like, Sports Science, that may get you into a Glasgow gym rthat pays only the minimum wage for Fitness Instructors.
Apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh, there's not much choice. Because there isn't much else in Scotland. Which is the main reason why my brother in law had to move to Carlisle for a teaching job in History.
jim wrote:
My mate is a graduate from st andrews he never got to do what he was looking to do and 10yr on still works for someone else,i hope it works for Glasgows sake.
It wont.
There's too many phoney courses out there like, Sports Science, that may get you into a Glasgow gym rthat pays only the minimum wage for Fitness Instructors.
Apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh, there's not much choice. Because there isn't much else in Scotland. Which is the main reason why my brother in law had to move to Carlisle for a teaching job in History.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 1:05pm Wed 28 May 08
After reading these comments I have to say Glasgow would have no future whatsoever. So far our contributors are devoid of any ideas...
Do you all suggest we stop further education for the reasons shown .. Now surely that would be foolish..
After reading these comments I have to say Glasgow would have no future whatsoever. So far our contributors are devoid of any ideas...
Do you all suggest we stop further education for the reasons shown .. Now surely that would be foolish..
Posted by: celtic4, United States on 2:14pm Wed 28 May 08
Jobs here are hard to get too. We have many college educated people who got educated for a highly paid profession and are now working as a janitor on minimum wage for no jobs available. It is a problem.
Jobs here are hard to get too. We have many college educated people who got educated for a highly paid profession and are now working as a janitor on minimum wage for no jobs available. It is a problem.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 3:59pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]puskas[/bold] wrote:
After reading these comments I have to say Glasgow would have no future whatsoever. So far our contributors are devoid of any ideas...
Do you all suggest we stop further education for the reasons shown .. Now surely that would be foolish..[/quote] I don't think anyone is suggesting that further education should be "stopped". Maybe just that rather than spending a vast amounts of taxpayers money churning out more and more graduates who are then unable to find jobs, the money "might" be better spent in providing employment opportunities?
puskas wrote:
After reading these comments I have to say Glasgow would have no future whatsoever. So far our contributors are devoid of any ideas...
Do you all suggest we stop further education for the reasons shown .. Now surely that would be foolish..
I don't think anyone is suggesting that further education should be "stopped". Maybe just that rather than spending a vast amounts of taxpayers money churning out more and more graduates who are then unable to find jobs, the money "might" be better spent in providing employment opportunities?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:25pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]puskas[/bold] wrote: After reading these comments I have to say Glasgow would have no future whatsoever. So far our contributors are devoid of any ideas... Do you all suggest we stop further education for the reasons shown .. Now surely that would be foolish..[/quote] I don't think anyone is suggesting that further education should be "stopped". Maybe just that rather than spending a vast amounts of taxpayers money churning out more and more graduates who are then unable to find jobs, the money "might" be better spent in providing employment opportunities?[/quote]
Thankyou mulross,
glad to see some of us have more common sense.
This is about having a balance, and ensuring we invest in our industries, and employers in equal measures to ensure they can continue to take on new recruits, and employees.
Not, as the situation is going relieve their workforce by voluntary redundancies, and closing down branches, i.e. in the retail market.
We all know the climate for sustainability of employers is fragile, retaining value for money within the UK is getting harder.
Also employees costs of living, mortgages, fuel prices etc all mean their wages don't go nearly as far. Not all employers are willing to respond and increase the pay of their staff.
So, lets look at the wider picture, and ensure that by all means we produce far more graduates and well educated people - but not at the expense of having them wait 5 years or more before they get the job they trained for.
mulross wrote:
puskas wrote: After reading these comments I have to say Glasgow would have no future whatsoever. So far our contributors are devoid of any ideas... Do you all suggest we stop further education for the reasons shown .. Now surely that would be foolish..
I don't think anyone is suggesting that further education should be "stopped". Maybe just that rather than spending a vast amounts of taxpayers money churning out more and more graduates who are then unable to find jobs, the money "might" be better spent in providing employment opportunities?
Thankyou mulross,
glad to see some of us have more common sense.
This is about having a balance, and ensuring we invest in our industries, and employers in equal measures to ensure they can continue to take on new recruits, and employees.
Not, as the situation is going relieve their workforce by voluntary redundancies, and closing down branches, i.e. in the retail market.
We all know the climate for sustainability of employers is fragile, retaining value for money within the UK is getting harder.
Also employees costs of living, mortgages, fuel prices etc all mean their wages don't go nearly as far. Not all employers are willing to respond and increase the pay of their staff.
So, lets look at the wider picture, and ensure that by all means we produce far more graduates and well educated people - but not at the expense of having them wait 5 years or more before they get the job they trained for.
Posted by: Stuart, Bermuda on 4:49pm Wed 28 May 08
They should spend some of the taxpayers money in studying exactly which jobs are filled by immigrants . Train Scottish kids in the jobs that are filled by immigrants and then there will be no need for them in Scotland
They should spend some of the taxpayers money in studying exactly which jobs are filled by immigrants . Train Scottish kids in the jobs that are filled by immigrants and then there will be no need for them in Scotland
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:01pm Wed 28 May 08
Too late for that kind of outdated thinking - the best we can hope for is a limit on the numbers allowed to enter the country, and a complete change on the way they are fully taxed etc.
As long as so many refugees, asylum seekers, immigrants etc continue to have exceptions made and have fully furnished flats given to ( some of) them tensions will remain.
This is a decision which lies in Gordon Browns hands, and like the rest of his cronies he's firmly sitting on the fence.
So - no go in that area I'm afraid. Anyway, if you're in Bermuda literally you've sweet F all to worry about. Away and lap up the sun, and stop yer moaning!
Too late for that kind of outdated thinking - the best we can hope for is a limit on the numbers allowed to enter the country, and a complete change on the way they are fully taxed etc.
As long as so many refugees, asylum seekers, immigrants etc continue to have exceptions made and have fully furnished flats given to ( some of) them tensions will remain.
This is a decision which lies in Gordon Browns hands, and like the rest of his cronies he's firmly sitting on the fence.
So - no go in that area I'm afraid. Anyway, if you're in Bermuda literally you've sweet F all to worry about. Away and lap up the sun, and stop yer moaning!
Posted by: J123, Aberdeen/Glasgow on 5:09pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there. [/quote] I totally agree with this.
I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!!
We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing!
Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?!
It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge!
People Power wrote:
I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there.
I totally agree with this.
I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!!
We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing!
Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?!
It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge!
Posted by: J123, Aberdeen/Glasgow on 5:10pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there. [/quote] I totally agree with this.
I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!!
We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing!
Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?!
It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge!
People Power wrote:
I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there.
I totally agree with this.
I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!!
We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing!
Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?!
It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge!
Posted by: People Power on 5:26pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]J123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there. [/quote] I totally agree with this. I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!! We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing! Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?! It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge![/quote]
And to make things worse - in Glasgow at least Glasgow City Council in all its wisdom is slashing £50 million from its budget, meaning the Social Work Department and Education will be the main areas affected.
Great news when ironically at the same time we read the news today that:
[bold]£300m city college super-campus will be biggest in the UK[/bold]
[italic][bold]GLASGOW is to become the biggest college campus in the UK with 25,000 students and 1000 staff.[/bold][/italic]
Does make you wonder what on earth is going on within Glasgow City Council.
Seems that no sooner do they announce a negative piece of news, they counteract it with some positive spin, or newsstory to make people forget the initial news of the £50 million budget slashing.
People in Glasgow are not stupid, and those who see through the headlines and pick out the facts know the councillors and politicians for who & what they are.
Time we the electorate who voted them into power get given the respect and credit we deserve, instead of the spin, rhetoric, lies and evasion of the truth.
Thank goodness for the introduction of "Freedom Of Information" requests, or perhaps there would potentially be even more dishonesty and corruption.
Good luck in finding a job J123, just don't come down to Glasgow if the cuts to services are as bad as their expected to be.
J123 wrote:
People Power wrote: I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there.
I totally agree with this. I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!! We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing! Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?! It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge!
And to make things worse - in Glasgow at least Glasgow City Council in all its wisdom is slashing £50 million from its budget, meaning the Social Work Department and Education will be the main areas affected.
Great news when ironically at the same time we read the news today that:
£300m city college super-campus will be biggest in the UK
GLASGOW is to become the biggest college campus in the UK with 25,000 students and 1000 staff.
Does make you wonder what on earth is going on within Glasgow City Council.
Seems that no sooner do they announce a negative piece of news, they counteract it with some positive spin, or newsstory to make people forget the initial news of the £50 million budget slashing.
People in Glasgow are not stupid, and those who see through the headlines and pick out the facts know the councillors and politicians for who & what they are.
Time we the electorate who voted them into power get given the respect and credit we deserve, instead of the spin, rhetoric, lies and evasion of the truth.
Thank goodness for the introduction of "Freedom Of Information" requests, or perhaps there would potentially be even more dishonesty and corruption.
Good luck in finding a job J123, just don't come down to Glasgow if the cuts to services are as bad as their expected to be.
Posted by: col, seattle on 7:20pm Wed 28 May 08
25,000 isn't anywhere near the largest student population in the UK. Perhaps the headline should have referred to Scotland, not the UK. Shame you have to get the truth from the comments instead of the article.
25,000 isn't anywhere near the largest student population in the UK. Perhaps the headline should have referred to Scotland, not the UK. Shame you have to get the truth from the comments instead of the article.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:54pm Wed 28 May 08
Those who believe every word of the stats and figures used within articles of the E.T. and other papers need to do their own research.
I take what I read with a pinch of salt, and political spin & rhetoric aside there isn't often much left of stories - unfortunately!
Those who believe every word of the stats and figures used within articles of the E.T. and other papers need to do their own research.
I take what I read with a pinch of salt, and political spin & rhetoric aside there isn't often much left of stories - unfortunately!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 8:58pm Wed 28 May 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]J123[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there. [/quote] I totally agree with this. I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!! We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing! Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?! It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge![/quote] And to make things worse - in Glasgow at least Glasgow City Council in all its wisdom is slashing £50 million from its budget, meaning the Social Work Department and Education will be the main areas affected. Great news when ironically at the same time we read the news today that: [bold]£300m city college super-campus will be biggest in the UK[/bold] [italic][bold]GLASGOW is to become the biggest college campus in the UK with 25,000 students and 1000 staff.[/bold][/italic] Does make you wonder what on earth is going on within Glasgow City Council. Seems that no sooner do they announce a negative piece of news, they counteract it with some positive spin, or newsstory to make people forget the initial news of the £50 million budget slashing. People in Glasgow are not stupid, and those who see through the headlines and pick out the facts know the councillors and politicians for who & what they are. Time we the electorate who voted them into power get given the respect and credit we deserve, instead of the spin, rhetoric, lies and evasion of the truth. Thank goodness for the introduction of "Freedom Of Information" requests, or perhaps there would potentially be even more dishonesty and corruption. Good luck in finding a job J123, just don't come down to Glasgow if the cuts to services are as bad as their expected to be. [/quote] This development is absolutely nothing to do with Glasgow City Council; these colleges are funded by the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council, not GCC. Try a freedom of information request if only to get your facts lined up properly.
People Power wrote:
J123 wrote: People Power wrote: I'm all for the provision of quality education for school leavers, and those who take a gap year - however the problem starts when people qualify, and the number of places in employment, or jobs - posts available in certain areas is not enough. Those who have a perfectly acceptable qualification, but can't find a job in their field is a clear problem. Perhaps funding should be ploughed into ensuring apprenticeships, i.e. engineering, nursing, socialwork and psychology posts are available for graduates to apply for. Lets not see this huge investment fall flat on its face, when years down the line the jobs for qualified students simply aren't there.
I totally agree with this. I've just finished a social work degree at uni and can I find a job... No!! We were told 4 years ago, don't worry, you'll get one, but now, nothing! Newly qualified teachers get a probationary year so why not the same for other professionals?! It's a bit rubbish that my skills could be put to use but can't and the need for social workers and other professionals is huge!
And to make things worse - in Glasgow at least Glasgow City Council in all its wisdom is slashing £50 million from its budget, meaning the Social Work Department and Education will be the main areas affected. Great news when ironically at the same time we read the news today that: £300m city college super-campus will be biggest in the UK GLASGOW is to become the biggest college campus in the UK with 25,000 students and 1000 staff. Does make you wonder what on earth is going on within Glasgow City Council. Seems that no sooner do they announce a negative piece of news, they counteract it with some positive spin, or newsstory to make people forget the initial news of the £50 million budget slashing. People in Glasgow are not stupid, and those who see through the headlines and pick out the facts know the councillors and politicians for who & what they are. Time we the electorate who voted them into power get given the respect and credit we deserve, instead of the spin, rhetoric, lies and evasion of the truth. Thank goodness for the introduction of "Freedom Of Information" requests, or perhaps there would potentially be even more dishonesty and corruption. Good luck in finding a job J123, just don't come down to Glasgow if the cuts to services are as bad as their expected to be.
This development is absolutely nothing to do with Glasgow City Council; these colleges are funded by the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council, not GCC. Try a freedom of information request if only to get your facts lined up properly.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:05pm Wed 28 May 08
Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves.
Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled.
So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built.
The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK.
Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves.
Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled.
So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built.
The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 9:08pm Wed 28 May 08
Col, Seattle
The College campus population of 25,000 will be the largest for a Higher Education College not University. In the UK there is a difference.
Col, Seattle
The College campus population of 25,000 will be the largest for a Higher Education College not University. In the UK there is a difference.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:35pm Wed 28 May 08
Whatever the figures are no point nitpicking over them, at the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding, and when people complete their courses and see if theres any jobs to be had for them ? I just hope so, but I have my doubts.
Whatever the figures are no point nitpicking over them, at the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding, and when people complete their courses and see if theres any jobs to be had for them ? I just hope so, but I have my doubts.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 8:52am Thu 29 May 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves. Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled. So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built. The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK. [/quote] I am not defending the council and have no interest in doing so. As far I'm aware some people involved in this project thought that GCC was more a hinderance to it than a help.
I though that the £50m was across the whole of GCC's budget, not just from SW and education...
And, these colleges aren't turning out the qualified graduate and post-grad teachers or social workers - that's what the universities do. What these colleges do is provide exactly the type of [predominately] vocational, skill-based training and education that we're always told we need more of (plumbers anyone?). Have a look at their prospectuses to see what they do.
People Power wrote:
Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves. Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled. So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built. The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK.
I am not defending the council and have no interest in doing so. As far I'm aware some people involved in this project thought that GCC was more a hinderance to it than a help.
I though that the £50m was across the whole of GCC's budget, not just from SW and education...
And, these colleges aren't turning out the qualified graduate and post-grad teachers or social workers - that's what the universities do. What these colleges do is provide exactly the type of vocational, skill-based training and education that we're always told we need more of (plumbers anyone?). Have a look at their prospectuses to see what they do.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:50am Thu 29 May 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves. Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled. So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built. The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK. [/quote] I am not defending the council and have no interest in doing so. As far I'm aware some people involved in this project thought that GCC was more a hinderance to it than a help. I though that the £50m was across the whole of GCC's budget, not just from SW and education... And, these colleges aren't turning out the qualified graduate and post-grad teachers or social workers - that's what the universities do. What these colleges do is provide exactly the type of [predominately] vocational, skill-based training and education that we're always told we need more of (plumbers anyone?). Have a look at their prospectuses to see what they do. [/quote]
Relieved you say you're not defending the council. And as you say, it seems any project they touch, give planning permission to or have involvement in always has its problems.
The £50million slashed is from other areas as well, but the majority of the money cut will come from social work & education, as reported.
Unless other Media sources are wrong.
As for if the colleges produce plumbers - I'll say again, where is the assurance there will be enough actual jobs for them to go into ?
We need to know that these students training will not be so they wait months or years to find a job, because there are too many people applying for the same limited posts.
Pete wrote:
People Power wrote: Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves. Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled. So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built. The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK.
I am not defending the council and have no interest in doing so. As far I'm aware some people involved in this project thought that GCC was more a hinderance to it than a help. I though that the £50m was across the whole of GCC's budget, not just from SW and education... And, these colleges aren't turning out the qualified graduate and post-grad teachers or social workers - that's what the universities do. What these colleges do is provide exactly the type of vocational, skill-based training and education that we're always told we need more of (plumbers anyone?). Have a look at their prospectuses to see what they do.
Relieved you say you're not defending the council. And as you say, it seems any project they touch, give planning permission to or have involvement in always has its problems.
The £50million slashed is from other areas as well, but the majority of the money cut will come from social work & education, as reported.
Unless other Media sources are wrong.
As for if the colleges produce plumbers - I'll say again, where is the assurance there will be enough actual jobs for them to go into ?
We need to know that these students training will not be so they wait months or years to find a job, because there are too many people applying for the same limited posts.
Posted by: People Power on 10:53am Thu 29 May 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves. Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled. So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built. The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK. [/quote] I am not defending the council and have no interest in doing so. As far I'm aware some people involved in this project thought that GCC was more a hinderance to it than a help. I though that the £50m was across the whole of GCC's budget, not just from SW and education... And, these colleges aren't turning out the qualified graduate and post-grad teachers or social workers - that's what the universities do. What these colleges do is provide exactly the type of [predominately] vocational, skill-based training and education that we're always told we need more of (plumbers anyone?). Have a look at their prospectuses to see what they do. [/quote] Relieved you say you're not defending the council. And as you say, it seems any project they touch, give planning permission to or have involvement in always has its problems.
The £50million slashed is from other areas as well, but the majority of the money cut will come from social work & education, as reported.
Unless other Media sources are wrong.
As for if the colleges produce plumbers - I'll say again, where is the assurance there will be enough actual jobs for them to go into ?
We need to know that these students training will not be so they wait months or years to find a job, because there are too many people applying for the same limited posts.
(N.B - if this post appears twice, its only because it fails to appear when I post it, and takes far longer to come up than it should.)
Pete wrote:
People Power wrote: Okay Pete I stand corrected, but I don't know why you insist on defending the council so much. Their quite capable of that themselves. Irrespective of whether this is the case, the fact remains that with £50 million slashed from social work & education budgets - jobs will innevetably be lost. Jobs which this new colleges training could of potentially filled. So - unless there are enough jobs out there years down the line, new education facilities are as pointless as all the hotels being built. The bigger issues are the demand for jobs will only be met if we invest in our employers, and stop them all re-locating to India, due to the costs of operating within the UK.
I am not defending the council and have no interest in doing so. As far I'm aware some people involved in this project thought that GCC was more a hinderance to it than a help. I though that the £50m was across the whole of GCC's budget, not just from SW and education... And, these colleges aren't turning out the qualified graduate and post-grad teachers or social workers - that's what the universities do. What these colleges do is provide exactly the type of vocational, skill-based training and education that we're always told we need more of (plumbers anyone?). Have a look at their prospectuses to see what they do.
Relieved you say you're not defending the council. And as you say, it seems any project they touch, give planning permission to or have involvement in always has its problems.
The £50million slashed is from other areas as well, but the majority of the money cut will come from social work & education, as reported.
Unless other Media sources are wrong.
As for if the colleges produce plumbers - I'll say again, where is the assurance there will be enough actual jobs for them to go into ?
We need to know that these students training will not be so they wait months or years to find a job, because there are too many people applying for the same limited posts.
(N.B - if this post appears twice, its only because it fails to appear when I post it, and takes far longer to come up than it should.)
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:34pm Thu 29 May 08
There [italic]isn't[/italic] any assurance that you'll have a job. The UK doesn't work that way; it doesn't do that kind of central planning. Market forces and supply and demand exist to shape workforce patterns. But it's the job of any vocational education or training provider (colleges included) to match its output as closely as possible to real workforce conditions. That is their business and their future credibility.
What's the alternative: you get told what you're going to do for the rest of your life when you leave school because the government wants to centrally manage the workforce?
There
isn't any assurance that you'll have a job. The UK doesn't work that way; it doesn't do that kind of central planning. Market forces and supply and demand exist to shape workforce patterns. But it's the job of any vocational education or training provider (colleges included) to match its output as closely as possible to real workforce conditions. That is their business and their future credibility.
What's the alternative: you get told what you're going to do for the rest of your life when you leave school because the government wants to centrally manage the workforce?
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